StarCraft Mass Recall (Starcraft 1 in SC2): Protoss Campaign - Part 7 [Gone Toasty]
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The sign of every successful UA-cam channel.
Being able to afford a blanket to keep the toes warm!
Congratulations on this milestone Grant!
Yes Congratulations
Grant getting closer to his perfect form, because I believe the protoss also have climate control in their suits specifically for their tootsies.
Wait, GGG managed to complete all of SC2 deathless with cold feet? The man's been wearing power limiters.
With having zerg around... The Conclave are convinced they're winning, so I think it should be more subtle. Dead hive clusters, yet the creep isn't retreating. Signs of tunneling. "Rogue" queens using parasite for vision. Nidus canals where zerg pop out every few minutes and run across the ground you can't build on, then pop into another canal.
Very much this. That would be quite the way to build the atmosphere and really drive the point home.
Been watching too much Nral, I laughed out loud when I heard what Grant thought the Gantrithor's special ability.
"I will steer the Gantrithor into a collision course with the Scourge"
What would make a mission better: Salvation in LotV would have been made much better if, halfway through the mission, Amon started sending not just soldiers but also mind-controlled civilians towards the temple.
The way the mission is now, fighting the possessed Protoss feels no different from fighting the Tal'darim, who you've been killing all campaign long. So lines like "You claim to save of your people, yet here you stand... a butcher!" and "Their Blood is on your hands, Artanis. False savior. Your Defiance means their death!" lack any emotional impact.
Sending massed waves of civilians into the meat grinder would show how evil Amon is, and how he grows desperate as the Keystone is about to activate.
I feel that the Zerg not being there is more telling of why the Conclave feel the way they do. They see no Zerg, there strategies (to them) seem to be working, and this one traitor who is actively turning Protoss against Protoss, working with the Dark ones and basically giving bad advice and completely ignoring his orders and going AWOL is far more of a threat since he's the enemy within. Also keep in mind, Tassadar, might have prevented the invasion of Aiur had he actually carried out his orders.
I think a SC1 reimagined campaign is a great idea. Like adding things that build more environmental storytelling into it. An example being the Terran missions where you have use Psi Emitter to attract the zerg. Adding civilians and their structures to those maps would help send home the idea of how monstrous an action this is. In fact adding civilians to any of the missions that take place on appropriate planets would do a lot to make the worlds feel more real. Not every protoss is a warrior, there should be a bunch running around on the Aiur missions. Not that they need to be objectives or anything, just little set dressing that maybe you try to save because you want to.
Technologies these day don't allow these kind of map design.
And nowadays, Blizz is just a bunch of money grabber.
The chance of seeing SC Series remake is slim.
@@phamtuan1840 he means a custom campaign, which is definitely doable. Grant definitely doesn’t have any hopes for Blizzard
@@Illianor123 well my shit did not age really well, MS just bought Blizz so I hope we may get SC3.
We have never seen a protoss child, imagine
@@CrazyJabberwock That's not surprising actually when you realize we only meet ... is it four protoss women? In nine campaigns across two separate games. The only ones I remember are Raszagal, Vorazun, Selendis, and Rohana. Clearly they keep the rest of the women and kids inside the structures. Oh, and that researcher Kerrigan killed on Colder. There's five.
For those unaware
The upgraded scouts vision and speed are both WORSE than the base corsair.
The scout only does one thing we'll, and that is bully capital ships. Something the carrier also does while also being a super good unit.
Sad how the scout isn't even good at ... well ... scouting.
I love that in here, they made Aldaris personally appear down here and converse with Zeratul. Makes the scene much better in my view.
I suspect that we saw not just a dragoon through that tree, but a Fenix.
You've gotta show people the ancient protoss deathblob. 8+ Carriers, and one arbiter, with an observer following the arbiter. The true A-Move force.
And then an arbiter back in base to recall if things get hairy
There was indeed a dragon through that tree
Your idea of adding zerg attacks to the mission like in Smash and Garb would be interesting. Have like the Baelrog Brood send attacks and put the player in a race against the zerg to get to Tassadar first. Lore wise, I don't think this is Khor-Shakal, but rather some prison fortress so, it's far enough for the Conclave to believe that they are still safe from the zerg but, close enough for the player to understand their hubris. Like you said, having the zerg on this map would really nail the point that the Conclave is dooming Aiur because of vainglory.
It seems that the reaver (or however its written) just deals damage when it hits its target, so when it targets a dragoon but there is a wall of zealots blocking the path of the bomb, it doesnt deal damage when it expires, thats why it didnt make damage to the buildings
That's precisely how the Reaver works, and that's why it's such an absolutely jank unit in SC1.
That, and it can't shoot up cliffs, even though every other ranged unit in the game can, assuming their target is in range anyway.
Raynor and Fenix are big homies. I always found the very rare respect that Jim gets from the Protoss super interesting
You did, indeed,see a dragon through that tree. I did not, as i was looking at the yogurt i was eating at that time. Going back to check of course doesn't count.
Yum, I often eat my breakfast (with yogurt), watching grant or just UA-cam, what kind?
@@ChristopherCubbage Glenisk organic raspberry. It's bassically just a plain yogurt with some raspberry jam at the bottom of the pot. Very tasty.
@@Santisima_Trinidad That sounds really good, I always add frozen fruit to mine, kinda makes it like healthier icecream, I buy the big Chobani vanilla 😋
As soon as I saw the end of that briefing, I thought "Man... it would've been _so_ great to have Raynor and Talandar meet on-screen."
I don't really understand the story here. Didn't Tassadar surrender himself last mission, so that the infighting between the protoss would end?
End what fo Fenix and Raynor after that? Go and kill more Protoss to free Tassadar again?! This whole mission seems pointless. Will Tassadar surrender again, when he is attacked by Protoss, so Fenix and Raynor can free him again?
Tassadar surrendered hoping it would end the fighting. But his followers are like "Dude, don't surrender. We believe in you!" and after springing him from prison, it's like "You guys came back for me? You big idiots! Thanks! Now Aldaris, let's actually get some stuff done because if you attack me again, I have a hugely loyal following willing to break me out."
Then Aldaris is like "Alright fine... Zeratul made a great speech anyway..."
Something that would be fun for a mission like this is having a 'bonus objective' like in SC2 - say some civilian protross buildings scattered around that have some zerg spawns killing them. If you can kill the zerg in time you get, idk, some kind of bonus. Would be cool if that could reduce the spawn rate of hostiles (ie they are not wanting to fight you seeing you saving civilians). Or just minerals.
I really like this idea
I would LOVE to play a version of SC1 made in the SC2 engine, like SC2- a remake as opposed to Mass Recall's faithful remaster, so to speak, where you get SC2-style bases and Mineral Fields, and units probably end up based on their SC2 versions more than SC1 stats, but the missions are designed to be true to the spirit of the original more than the details. Maybe even working in some mild bonus objectives into the missions whenever it works out, like being able to eliminate some pockets of Zerg here to show that Aiur is falling. The rewards for them can frankly be as small as minerals in the mission or a few reinforcements, protoss who choose to take your side over the Conclave's as a result of your actions, etc.
Zeratul's speech at the end of this mission is better than everything in Starcraft 2
its got a lot of techno/mysticism babble :/
Agreed
zeratul's diss track
@@20xd6 i'll take it over SC2's 2 IQ writing
@@ExValeFor touché
Here's how I would include the zerg on this mission: Have a small island hive, reasonably well defended with mutas and guardians, no land access. For the first few minutes of the mission, they send out small harrassing waves of mutalisks and scourge. Time them such that the zerg arrive at about the same time as protoss attack waves, so that the protoss are weakened before arriving at the player's base. After a few minutes in game, spawn a player controlled observer near the zerg hive and announce that the zerg appear to be withdrawing. Have every unit the zerg base fly off the map. Any land units, including drones, get picked up by overlords. Flyers just leave. Afterwards, the zerg base does nothing. It doesn't produce units or replace losses. The base can be destroyed for an expansion.
The zerg on Char (EDIT: and Aiur) aren't mindless. The Overmind is actually pretty smart. If your enemies are intent on shooting each other YOU GET OUT OF THEIR WAY.
aiur*
Or you could just have a lone mutalisk fly all over your base *without attacking* as in it is scouting what is going on, and then despawn. Could also just have random Zerg air units fly near where the action is to check out is going on without engaging, and then withdrawing.
@@MinusCM Oops, good catch. I'm sure the ones on Char are under good control too.
Quick! Get that to the developer of the UED: AIP mod!
Yes, this is an awesome idea
If I'm remembering my SC1 map editor triggers correctly, there were a few more triggers for the SC1 campaign than you described, but they definitely were very simple - litte more than simple if-then statements.
Stuff like "if unit X destroyed: then initialize AI behavior Y" "if unit at location A: teleport units at A to location B, reset trigger", "at timer X, create LMN units at location A, for player Y" etc etc etc.
I love how in the middle of conversation about positive work environment a random arbiter walks in and ruins the mood.
I'd love to see a greayer human presence on Aiur. In SC2 when you take Aiur back there are bunkers and siege tanks amongst the ruins, meanwhile in SC1 you just get Raynor fliying around
? Mission 10 says hello
i know that feeling of cold feet in winter, my old location for my pc was in the basement and the heating vents didn't work so it was normal for me to be wearing my boots in the winter when playing XD
Congrats on the blanket Grant! From ur voice it sounds like u enjoy it greatly.
I love the sc1 campaign but I can't wait to see mass recall broodwar
I think the arbiter is the essence of the Protoss identity in sc1. Templars are cool, but storm is just aoe damage and there are lots of ways to accomplish that. Carriers are neat, but honestly you could have made the carrier Terran and the battlecruiser Protoss and it wouldn’t change anything. Then you have this crazy thing that just turns other units invisible permanently, teleports entire armies and can just remove things from time and it becomes clear that the Terrans aren’t even playing in the same league as the Protoss. Science vessels and ghosts are barely scratching the surface of what’s possible.
In my opinion this is the 4th hardest mission in Mass Recall so congrats Grant for getting over the first major hurdle of Mass Recall.
Agree.
Totally one of the hardest missions, just because how much stuff going against you even before you can build up your economy, not to mention the actual army.
Carrier deathball slaps, but you have to survive through quite a lot before that point. It was one of the harder ones in base SC1 as well.
That's no dragoon, that's a Fenix!
Thank you GGG. This story with your not anymore cold feet brings me joy. Keep them warm and cozy, champ.
Mandatory comment saying I love this playthrough and thank you so much for all the content you provide.
I love how much detai was in starcraft for its time little thinks like difrence between protos geting hit into shield or into hull looks and sound difrent - that small attention to details
The judicator Aldaris sounds so much like the colonel from metal gear I can’t unhear it now
That intro was the best so far
Congrats on the warm toes. Please mass scouts on the final mission. They deserve the opportunity and the glory of destroying the Overmind!
I really apreciate how in every episode here there is at least one funny slip up
Grant's idea of Zerg hitting the enemy Protoss backline sounds perfect. Don't even need to add a timer mechanic, just having constant zerg attacks hitting a defensive line would make the point so damn well.
I just imagined a Conclave Zealot with Binoculars watching your army on the other side running up and down the beach to Benny Hill music and cant stop laughing.
The arbiters coming to bite the carrier strat in the ass all the time is exactly how I remember playing this in the original SC back in the day. Like "Hell yeah all the carriers I'm invincible" then two arbiters stasis the entire group and they all die.
As an addendum to my previous comment, the Terran base being an automated ally in the SC1 finale would help make the Protoss the star of the show, which is arguably how it should be. Playing the two 'good guy' races at once was a neat gimmick and felt good from a story perspective in 1998, but now that Protoss 10 isn't the end of the StarCraft story, it's a gimmick we could do without.
I would get both scouts and observers in this mission (referring to SC1), I also get hallucination and use it on scouts to bait stasis. Doesn't always work very well lol.
I think some interesting additions would be choice mechanics, like in Brood War and 2. It would be cool to have different ways to have to play a mission that maybe also has consequences for subsequent missions.
No doubt, that would be cool.
But it goes against the idea of re-creating SC1 on SC2 engine as-is. Having conequences basically means to re-write already established SC1 story and design.
My day is shit but having this video to watch will certainly make it better somewhat :) So thanks for doing what you do!
Also yes you did see a dragoon through that tree
After carefully watching the reavers in this series (and playing SC-I) I have a theory: reaver scarabs are glitched and if they are in the blast radius of another scarab, they are counted as having already done their damage and so cannot do it again. I did notice that a single reaver firing scarabs and each shot did damage, but any time there were two or more, their shots seem to interfere with each other.
Fenix got that swagwalk into the prison
GGG: "Once you've seen the birth of a negative sun, what you gotta do?"
Me: Put on some sunglasses?
This video was wholesome, funny, and a bit strange with some archon action 🎬
Warm tootsie GGG is truly OP
You did indeed see a dragoon through that tree.
As someone who's solution to the final mission of the Protoss campaign was, ironically, to build a bunch of battlecruisers and fly them to the Overmind, I'd be kinda geeked about that hero ability on the Hyperion.
I think one fun thing to do would be turning some of the Starcraft 1 cinematics into missions; like imagine an In Utter Darkness style mission featuring the Fall of Fenix - desperately holding out for as long as possible, despite knowing that defeat is inevitable. Or a no-build section of Kerrigan going through the confederate command center to assassinate their officers. Stuff like that would be a lot of fun.
Also, develop that ship between Fenix and Jim.
I think to chain the beast would be a good one to do a revamp on, where the enemy has infested structures able to produce some of the infested units (broodwar tech) from Nova covert ops such as tanks for example
Bouncy batteries are something I never expected but enjoy that they exist.
Zeratul really dropped the mic at the end there
I think the reavers were targeting your units, but the scarabs were getting caught on the gateway.
There would also be realscale carriers to meet realscale Hyperion
Mark of a great creator - encouraging conversation in the comments with something genuinely interesting instead of just "tell me I'm wrong in the comments". A zerg presence would work amazingly I agree, but with subtlety, just constantly there.
My memories of this mission mostly revolve around frustration with endless stasis from enemy arbiters. So that seems to have been accurate.
Hold on... So... Tassadar surrenders a winning fight because he doesn't want to see bloodshed between Protos... The very next mission, Feenix and Jim go and kill hundreds more protos to save someoen who willingly stopped the bloodshed... how the heck does that make any semblance of sense?
Edgy 90's writing be like that sometimes. lol
On the subject of extra triggers. You mentioned in the WC3 deathless videos that you like build missions which also have a parallel no-build part. What if, in Higher Ground, you also got to command Fenix leading a small squad of elite Protoss defending Antioch against waves of Zerg while you do the main objective? It wouldn't have to be particularly difficult, but it would add something cool to do to another generic "kill everything on the map" mission, and could also serve as a soft time limit for the main objective. More importantly, it would add so much more meaning to the following cinematic where Fenix finally falls, because you would have seen him struggle and slowly lose against the Zerg onslaught in the actual mission.
I just finished watching the previous episode and this one released a minute ago, thanks Grant!
I know this is an old comment, and maybe it gets addressed later, but the logic in why you don't get Arbiters until much later is actually that it is the one unit that is piloted by the Judicator caste, the Protoss you are fighting.
When I was young and playing Starcraft, I'd play lan games with my family. My winning strategy was zealot rushing and steady macro. After winning a few melee games in a row, they picked Bloodbath for the next map, and they all worker rushed me. Good times :)
I can't wait to see you do To Chain The Beast, that mission is brutal now.
The problem with having a terran battlecruiser on a protoss map is nobody can find a roll of duct tape, so every point of damage you take is permanent.
And yeah Jimmy and Fenix are . They stuck behind an Aiur when the gate closed together, and the moment Kerrigan cast spawn broodling on Fenix is the moment that Jim swore to kill her.
Dude that ending cinematic was sick
that end cinematic was *SICK*
I'd like a full-length campaigns for each species that spans from the regular beginning of the terran campaign all the way through the assault on the overmind. They all are doing stuff the whole time - it would be neat to see what6 the zerg are up to during the Terran and Protoss campaigns, what the Terran are up to during the Zerg and Protoss campaigns, and what the Protoss were up to during the Terran and Zerg campaigns.
The Zerg not even fighting would be cool. Like they just have a massive base with a huge army sitting around and they’re watching the Protoss kill eachother. Have a zergling eat popcorn also.
19:00 "how did you lose, did they jump up and chew on your star ships?"
I think dynamic speech triggers would be cool. For example if you go mass carrier on this mission Aldaris or another judicator will say that their "long-range radar system picked up a lot of carrier signatures" or something. And maybe a top of that the AI can build additional scouts and less reavers to counter massive carriers fleet. So you don't just use a single unit the entire game.
Also congratulations to your new blanket!
I have no idea for sc1, but if someone where to remake wol, I would like to see either tosh or nova to be present in belly of the beast, I think that would be really cool
That was a 10/10 opening performance
Congratulations on the electric blanket Grant!
I live in the subtropics so I don't really have that problem.
It always scuffed me that Jim didn't drop any SCVs in this mission. Just copy the unit (in old SC) and just have that clone only capable of repairing.
during one of the fights of Fenix vs scouts, I noticed they made the wrong attack speed on Fenix. Was something that was both unique to Fenix dragoon form and Raynor Vulture/Hyperion, was that they had slightly improve attack speeds over the original unit counterpart
An Idea that came to mind in rebuilding the SC1 campaign would be the addition of non SC1 units in places they fit. For example Stalkers instead of dragoons when fighting on Shakuras or Colossi to spice up the Zerg campaign finale.
More cool addition May include an expansion of the characters and their relationship (Raynor has more onscreen relationship with the Protoss than with Kerrigan).
The non plus Ultra would be the addition of new missions exploring the unseen battlefields of SC1
(Deploying the Psi emitter on Korhall, more fights against Kerrigan on Char etc.)
Edit: also adapt mineral field and vespine geysir placement to SC 2 standard
While I liked the missions in Starcraft 2 I think that the general problem of all three campaigns was the lack of long macro missions. There was always a timer or some other form of urgency and the number of available bases was usually quite limited. 15 minutes might be a good length of a multiplayer match, but I feel like one could expect something longer from a single mission in the campaign. The devs should've taken a page from their own older book.
Fenix wins the best boy, best girl and the best friend award.
The scout: so bad even thinking about it tries to lose you the game (11:32)
On this mission
If they could have the hyperion to also have a mule ability, that would be pretty great.
Edit: you could also have an SCV. Give you access to the entire terran tech tree, make you able to go BC carrier as a comp.
that's what mission 10 is for
i would love a dual terran/protoss where your only CC is the landed hyperion
That intro made me happy
That intro was hilarious, and i relate 🤣
If i am not mistaken, in SC1Reavers only deal damage if the scarab explodes on the intended target. If there is no path avaiable, the scarab get stucked and eventually explodes with no damage at all because it couldn´t get near the target the AI is attacking. Meaning invincible gateway.
Warm Feet OP
As far as a reimagined SC1 campaign, a few ideas come to mind. 1) give the player more to do in Terran three, the last mission on Mar Sara. Simplest option would be more options on the tech tree to vary builds. Or perhaps more objectives like having to alternate between fending off Zerg attacks and rescuing pockets of civilians. 2) add an additional mission or extend the end of the last mission on Antiga Prime, so that after the players use the psi emitter, Zerg show up and the player has to slip through them and the distracted Confederates. 3) a mission of hijacking the Hyperion would have been awesome before the finale of the Terran campaign.
Grant: Mmmmmmmmmm scouts.... Reaver: pew pew pew pew
WarmGrantGames is alive!
why Starcraft 1 got better story then Starcraft 2? I love Zerathul here, awsome voice acting i just got goosebumps
That intro! Heart melting 🤣
We saw a Dragoon throught that tree.
Read the text for the new Battlecruiser ability. It explains the lore behind the difference between the old/new weapon speed between brood war and SC2.
3:00 actually a ship between Raynor and Aldaris would make a pretty great story
Ok you can see the stasis timer on them when they hit themselves but not on your units, I wonder if it's because the enemy carrier was using a StarCraft 2 base game skin
Ah, lone Arbiters randomly stasis-ing your army. Glad to see that survived the update to SC2.
This map really, really wants you to use carriers, hence the long zigzagging path for ground attack.
this is the best intro ever
Happiness is warm and dry feet.
I just use knitted socks outside my regular socks. Cheap and convenient.