Brood War Mass Recall: Protoss Campaign - Part 3
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Grant: DT Corsair is a good comp, because Corsairs can bully away the overlords so the DTs can harass ground.
Grant: I’m not going to build a single stargate.
Grant: Corsairs scale really well with attack damage but really badly with enemy armour.
Geabt: I’m going to rely on my 4 starting 0-0 corsairs for air defence.
To be fair I did get half way done upgrading +1 attack for them. Thats almost an upgrade
@@GiantGrantGamesArchives this response absolutely killed me lmao
@@TMac2467 rip or should i say rest in shakuras
I never realized this is the same temple they overload to destroy Shakuras in Temple of the Past. That's neat.
It's the same temple, a similar mission design, and Artanis is the one who sets it off in both cases. It's a pretty massive callback.
It always weirded me out that Protoss in this mission would call out Kerrigan for "treachery", even though she had not betrayed anyone just yet. So far, they only had one encounter on Char, where she was very straight-forward in trying to kill them all. In fact, she was so straight-forward, that Tassadar mocked her for it and made her pay for it.
I think it has more to do with her generally having been human and then betraying "her" race to side with the Zerg. The Protoss are not exactly known for their nuance.
It's more likely that her line of "We will not suffer your treachery here" is just a more sophisticated way of threatening Kerrigan. It essentially means "do no betray us, or else...". After all, Raszagal is supposed to be the wisest elder here that even Aldaris at first seems to respect.
@@MalevolentSpirit234 I suppose I did say "in this mission", which could be construed in different ways, but the next one starts with Aldaris going into "her words are poison" mode and gets yet another 180 after mission 1 and 2 where he ate a lot of the humble pie, and then in the zerg campaign pretty much everyone is piling up and questioning her motives even though, once again, she personally only wrecked Jimmy's CC and let him go, and then evicted the Protoss from Char. None of which were a betrayal.
@@fare-5174 Kerrigan fought for the Overmind's Zerg. For all the Protoss knew, Kerrigan was unfortunately a mindless slave. As Tassadar mentioned, it was regrettable that Kerrigan fell, and Zeratul was Tassadar's teacher who "humbled" him and taught him to be even more understanding. The Protoss just had their homeworld absolutely crushed by the Zerg, and they are not aware of the Zerg hierarchy's split, as the Zerg are still crushing them at almost every turn even with the Overmind dead. For all that Aldaris (a Judicator and a part of the ruling class, who as we know were very wary of whom to trust and often acted like political comissars) knows she could be a spy, which is why he is really pissed that the Matriarch, Zeratul, and Artanis even listened to her. The latter three do still listen to her, knowing they could extract useful information but are still at first wary of her because for all they know her story could be a ruse to allow her to spy on them for the celebrates. Until they see that her words are true for themselves, they don't really know.
Think about it this way: would you at first trust somebody who took a shot your friends, and treat them as nicely?
Tldr: They didn't have enough evidence to prove she is absolutely an enemy, but they don't have evidence to show is a friend, resulting in their interactions as they happened. It's got nothing to do with her "betrayal" in the past; her conversion was forced and they completely understand that through Raynor and Tassadar, but the conversion does change the mentality of the victims and they also know that too, so they are wary and keeping up the appearances of distrust.
i think it's more like "if you try to betray us here, then you will suffer", not "you have betrayed us before, so we know to be wary"
Ah, yes, Blaznarp - the cerebrate created to take control of the remnants of the Garm Brood after the assassination of Zasz, famed for his love of Mutalisks and Guardians. He always wanted to evolve wings so he could fly under his own power, but at the time of his death at the hands of a Dark Templar strike force, he had managed to grow only a stubby pair of drumsticks.
Augustgrad is used a lot. At least 5 times.
- UED assaults it in Brood War.
- Kerrigan sorta assaults it to remove the UED presence in Brood War.
- Raynor's Raiders raid it to spread news in WoL.
- Kerrigan assaults it in HotS.
- Artanis goes there to retrieve the artifact in LotV.
The TalDarim never attack Augustgrad, that was Vardona, the Defenders of Man HQ.
Actually, there are more missions at the Xelnaga Temple of Auir (Full Circle, Eye of the Storm, Echoes of the Future, The Host) or Mar Sara's Backwater station (backwater Station, all of Mar Sara in WoL) then there are at the Shakuras Xelnaga temple. Korhal youre always in a different location of Augustgrad, since Augustgrad is an absolutely colossal city. you could Arguably say that the UED vs Dominion mission in SC1 and Planetfall happen in the same location, although its highly unlikely since the UED chose to land in the nuclear wastes where as Kerrigan lands almost on top of the Gates of Augustgrad.
Artanis's mission on Korhal is at Port Bennett, not Augustgrad
Don't forget that they got nuked into the dirt by the Confederacy before the events of StarCraft 1, which is why the planet is a desert, and why Aructurus is soo carefree about nuking his own planet.
3:16 Actually no. The list of the most visited locations in StarCraft missions is the following:
#3.1 Backwater Station. Two times. Once in the StarCraft 1 mission Desperate Alliance where you hold out until Mengsk arrives to rescue you and a second time in Liberation Day.
#3.2 Khor-Shakal. Two times. Once in mission seven of the original protoss campaign and another time in Legacy of the Void. Remember, the Spear of Adun was burried under the Great Forum. Makes you wonder why the Conclave did not use it...
#3.3 The warp gate linking Aiur to Shakuras. Two times. You visit it once in mission two of The Stand and another time in mission eight of the U.E.D. campaign.
#3.4 The psy-distruptor base on Braxis. Two times. Once in mission seven of the U.E.D. campaign and a second time in mission two of the Brood War zerg campaign. (I'm not counting the psy-distruptor as a location in and of itsself but I will mention that you visit it on U.E.D. mission three on Tarsonis.).
#2.1 The xel'naga temple on Shakuras. Three times. Once in mission three and once in mission eight of The Stand. Then you visit it a third time in Legacy of the Void.
#2.2 The second overmind's nesting ground. Three times. You visit it once in The Stand to get a chryatal, another time at the end of the U.E.D. campaign to subdue the second overmind and another time at the end of Brood War to slay the second overmind.
#1 The overmind's nesting ground on Aiur. Four times. Once in the last zerg mission in StarCraft where you clear the area for the overmind's arrival, a second time in Eye of the Storm where you slay the overmind, a third time in Wings of Liberty in the third Zeratul mission and a fourth time in Legacy of the Void on The Host.
"Actually no" always indicates someone about to be really rude and snarky about whatever they are about to say
@@ChristopherCubbage Actually no.
@@ChristopherCubbage Did it come off like that? It was not my intention.
Got to respect such a dedicated response.
Feels like you spend the most time at the temple though, all the temple missions take so long
"This is a mission focused on air units with a spell that affects all ground units in the area, friendlies included. Let's go for a melee-only ground army." --Grant, probably.
Something I like a lot about SC1 zerg is their defense structures are their creep structures~
It's a lot more inherent to clear out all the things attacking you and the creep goes away as opposed to clearing out all the things attacking you, but you still can't build there because there's invisible buildings you need detection to get rid of which don't really fight you but waste your time.
At the same time though I really like the creep tumor as a structure, it lets zerg have map control and gradually "infest" the map, allowing them to see incoming attacks and pre-emptively respond with units rather than static defense at home.
I believe that the most visited singular location in SC is the Overmind's nesting ground on Aiur. Someone else has also mentioned Augustgrad as well, but I feel that is a bit general compared to one precise map location.
You are specifically at the Overmind nesting ground for 4 missions: SC1Zerg "Full Circle", SC1Protoss "Eye of the Storm", SC2WoL "Echoes of the Future", and lastly, SC2LotV "The Host".
I know kerrigan's a main character and all...
But she uses that 'let me live - I'm not hostile and I have vital information for you.' line in every temporary allegiance she forms. I don't get why nobody ever heard what she had to say, then just killed her.
Would have saved a lot of lives.
would it tough? amon is still a thing which i know isn't gonna happen for a few years but its still the end if ALL Life.
besides hybrid being a joke in LOTV
True, but she always sorta held "the devil you know" card in those negotiations. There are perks to consistently being the lesser evil.
You can call this a plot conveinance but
1) the 2 times zeratul helped her is because of her leader Rashagal. Otherwise he would have refused to even let her speak.
2) Rashagal is infected
3) aldaris never trusted her
4) Artanis ...........
5) Raynor helped because he knows what the earth is capable of doing. But he doesnt trust her.
6) Feniz is Raynor's Bro. Rip
7) Arcturus acts on his own conveinance
It doesn't matter actually. Remember the last WOL mission? Or the entirety of HOTS? You can't kill her. As long as there's at least one hatchery to store her genetic information in nearby - she's gonna return. To kill her in this case you need conditions like Ulnar's deep enclosures, where she can't be revived it seems like. Or something strong enough to just erase her. And there's only a handful of such things.
@@cancerguy5435 is that really the case? i always figured she just tunneled underground and escaped to lick her wounds. or otherwise had the Warcraft 3 hero effect of "never actually died, that's just a gameplay mechanic"
I will literally never tire of the Dragoon spawn quote.
...or any Dragoon quote, really
I like how Raszagal says "Sha-koo-Riss". It's extremely fun to listen to.
Grant struggling against mutas, then proceeding to only build DTs really has me yelling to build a damn Corsair
One of the details I love about this is they use different structures for the Khalai protoss and the Shakuras protoss. Not just colors, but how they use the different structures.
Lol every time Grant calls the Citadel of Adun a Twilight Council
Broke: making Corsairs and ferrying units over with shuttles.
Woke: dying to air units while never making Corsairs and proxy 10-gating Blasnarf the Cerebrate.
13:20 "Lettuce attack."
"I thought you would see it my way"
🥗🔪
"I think this was a big mistake..."
Now it cannot be unheard... Thanks.
Designers obviously "knew much better" at how to make RTS campaigns when making SC2. In SC and BW campaign tech trees were exactly the same as multiplay because why not, but in WoL they already knew campaigns should make players of all skill levels able to enjoy, hence simplified tech trees, no upgrades besides attack/armor, auto-gas etc.
They weren't "simplified". Rather, they were reworked. Instead of getting upgraded through the mission, you spend campaign macro resources for things. And it's not bad. Just different.
i disagree. i think the campaign having the same tech tree as multiplayer is a positive thing because in an rts game, you want your players to keep coming back to the game and preparing them for multiplayer by using the campaign is a cool way to do it. i also think that they didnt know much better because in the sc2 campaign there are many spawned waves, which is not counterable in an rts setting, and top bar abilities cannot be countered by the enemy either.
Campaign in BW is an entry point to new player. I see nothing wrong with the tech tree. I learned how to play SC from campaign and go on ladder after that.
Raszagal was already under Kerrigan's sway. The way she just accepted her talking was super easy. After you play the campaing you can easily see the mind control.
Note: when the supposedly ex-big bad says "hey, let's have a chat at your secret base!", just have the meeting at Applebee's
Mandatory comment saying I love this playthrough and thank you so much for all the content you provide.
Pretty sure those shuttles are a reference to the evacuation shuttles in LOTV.
It's the same model.
@@MalevolentSpirit234 Probably, they just seem more stubby to me, probably so they have the same hitbox as the khalai shuttle.
@@ChannelMiner probably, that is possible to do in the editor
It was a bit annyoing to see you praise the Corsair so much, and then build no corsairs at all against swarms of mutalisks.
Grant NEVER uses air units, and I don't know why.
Hey Grant, commenting this under every video you underestimate yourself. So here we go again. You are great gamer. The fact you mess things up from time to time is really fine. You are not in full focus mode like in your deathless runs or other challenges. In my opinion it makes you more relaxed and chilled out and the videos are very pleasant to watch. You seem really happier last few videos. Maybe you are not under pressure from twitch chat?
To answer your question Grant, the two cerebrates in this level are unnamed. Names are only granted to cerebrates that have served for an extended period or achieved some great feat. A cerebrate is granted a name by its peers or the Overmind as a badge of honor.
In the campaigns, novels, and bonus content there are a total of 12 known unnamed cerebrates and 9 known named cerebrates. The named cerebrates are Araq (Jormungand Brood), Daggoth (Tiamat Brood, the Renegade Swarm), Zasz (Garm Brood), Gorn (Baelrog Brood), Kagg (Sutur Brood), Nargil (Fenris Brood), Zargil (Sennith Brood), Kaloth (the New Swarm), and Auza/Atticus Carpenter (Incubus Broos/Carpenter's Brood).
Bonus:
The cerebrate you play in Episode II never earned a name. According to the official timeline, this cerebrate only lived for about three months... born on Tarsonis and slain on Char. In fact, this cerebrate's death is where Tassadar learned to channel the warp energy of the dark templar, the same energy he would go to use when killing the Overmind.
Bonus 2:
Daggoth is the only one of the 21 known cerebrates we don't know what happened to. He was not part of the cerebrates merging into the second Overmind, he was not slain in the campaign or novels during the Brood War. We do know that Chris Metzen said Daggoth is dead during an interview, and we know Blizzard can't use cerebrates anymore because they're "playing nice" with Games Workshop, but we have no in-universe confirmation of Daggoth's death.
Wait what? I thought Daggoth was leading the group of cerebrates that have merged into the new Overmind
@@ldn_rumrunner He does. Think of Daggoth as the cult leader telling his neophytes to sacrifice themselves.
Over a year late:
I think the most visited single location is the Overmind’s location on Aiur. You visit it first to destroy the temple he drops to, second to kill the beast, third Zeratul visits the corpse to poke its brain, and lastly in Legacy of the Void when Amon attempts to build a body over its corpse.
Love the use of Sc2 building designs with nerazime colors, really shows the transition stages of things
I remember when I played SC 1 that I would put parasites on the local beasts, especially the flying ones. They make surprisingly good wandering scouts.
9:15 Spicy Ghost Pepper cloaked past my defenses and sniped me in the throat.
On the balance patches affecting single player: I remember when they reduced the supply costs of BCs, Carriers, and Ultralisks and it made some of the campaign easier for me because I was a scrub so I just built the big air units and A moved.
5:30 thanks to this problem, in Warcraft 3 devs had to store dependencies, that is balance patches for different modes of the game, like for example the original campaign uses these patch depencies, but TFT uses those ones, whereas melee in RoC uses those, but in TFT it uses another set, but then again when they had to add next chapters for the Rexxar's campaign they needed to use the dependencies for the campaign again, even though they lack new data including, for example, the new Firelord hero unit and his abilities, etc...... And in Reforged this is even more complicated, if you peek inside the data files in WC3 there's like a dozen of differen versions of the same unit table for any feasible game mode.
I saw the corsair shoot and was like "oh it's the seizure unit in starcrafts"
It's so funny watching you flounder against air in EVERY. SINGLE. MISSION. And this one was really just icing on the cake. You have been talking about the Corsair and how much you can't WAIT to get access to it so you can effectively shoot air units and now, when you can finally build them, you don't because... reasons?
You make no sense to me sometimes, Grant, but damn, it's still fun watching you play! Keep 'em coming!
As fun as it is to see you struggle through with your comp, it's a little frustrating to see complain about no anti-air, when a half dozen Archons are more than enough in basically any situation
I mean, a half dozen archons are a solid solution to any situation, but that would also become extremely routine and boring over the course of the entire campaign.
literally sitting here with hot coco beside the fireplace.
The orange zerg were the Garm brood, led by Z̶a̶s̶z̶.....formerly led by Zasz, led by unknown cerebrate at the time of mission.
The purple zerg were the Jormungard brood, led by Araq. (also possibly a new, unknown cerebrate by the time of this mission as there is no confirmation, other than the original game manual of who was leading the Jormungard Brood)
They can't be Zasz, he's killed in the original campaign.
@@benjaminlee985 You're right. Thanks, edited my comment to reflect.
I love how the Cerebrutes grand plan, was to follow the Protoss to the cerebrute murdering, Protoss homeworld.
"We'll do it over at the Citadel" lmao
My headcanon is Corsairs just flash lights at their enemy and they die from seizures
This reminds me of being a kid and trying out silly strats that take longer but have that fun factor.
After the shittiest day this year, this is exactly what I needed. Thanks Grant
I'm glad that Grant didn't get Blaznerp'd
Curl up in front of the fire with a hot cocoa...
*Sweats in Australian*
How did the Cerebrates even get on Shakuras in the first place? Wasn't the warp gate on Aiur the only way (known to the Zerg) to get to Shakuras? In mission 1 there was a full Protoss base there, so I doubt the Zerg could have used it before the start of the campaign. Sure, between missions 1 and 2 some Zerg slipped through, but I can't imagine it being that many with Raynor/Fenix on one side and us on the other. And in mission 2 the gate gets sealed specifically so that no more Zerg can pass through. Mission 3 seems to take place pretty much immediately after 2 (?), but suddenly there is not only a bunch more Zerg, but they somehow moved/created two new Cerebrates there as well. How come?
I'm surprised Grant didn't even comment on the fact that the entire base is in the Nerazhim style, from using void pylons to sc2 shield batteries instead of the custom models used so far.
I remember doing this mission on the patched version of broodwar, and it got so frustrating that i maxed supply with squads of corsairs on drop paths of the zerg atk waves to delete them, and then i just dropped 100 pop worth of zealots and dt on the base
Something fun that is in SC1, BW, and SC2 is that if you click the neutral mobs enough times, they explode like a nuke. No it does not do damage, I've tried on an enemy army before. you click it something like 100 times or something. this is a common thing, but it's always fun to tell people about (especially as I can detonate a neutral mob in about 15-30 seconds)
Adun would be disappointed that you call his citadel twilight council
Honestly, Grant should audition to be a narrator for audio books.
If I could curl up at the fire, that would mean I totally should evacuate... ;)
In memory of Blaznarp, everyone's favorite cerebrate.
The Nerazim Skins look awesome
He talks about DT Corsair being a good build, and fawning over how much the protoss needed the Corsair... proceeds to not build a single Corsair.
Oh, and Zealot speed for his Army of Zealots that dont exist!
One of those cerebrates controls the Jormungand brood which makes them a likely candidate for player cerebrate from sc1
"how did this guy ever best any videogame on like, casual?"
20:00 ALL HAIL BLAZNARP!!!!!
Also please if you already love a challenge, which I know you do 😉, and have extra hero abilities on, you might as well do the new start of broodwar with the extra heros for the lore and extra enemy ones!!! 😈😊
You were talking about things that could be done to make various missions more dynamic and make more sense in the story? I think it would be cool if Kerrigan's brood attacks the Cerebrates, showing up to destroy their base after the Cerebrates are killed.
I really don't understand the timeline here... Last mission we were told the Dark Templars had never even heard of the Zerg, next mission there's Zerg Cerebrates on Shakuras and the Matriarch is the one to inform us about them? How did the Cerebrates get there?? Through the warp-gate after we arrived? But we were only on Shakuras for a short time before the Zerg had bases already... I can imagine a few drones and hydras getting through and starting a base while you were building your Nexus, but now there's Cerebrates on Shakuras?? How did they get through the portal before Raynor retook control of it? And when did the Matriarch get briefed on them?
Grant I thank you for assuming I know anything about starcraft but I am just here because I enjoy the content. I have zero clue what is going on
Man those Nerazim skins are awesome, I wish we could have them in SC2 Multiplayer :c
I know there's the Ihanrii, but it's not really the same thing
I can't get over how crusty artanis is, his eye lights aren't even in the right place they keep clipping into his skull.
Those descriptions on membership destroyed me.
Now that you have Corsairs, Extermination Edition for the last Protoss mission? They're pretty good versus Mutalisks and Scourge after all (especially with a critical mass), and even in SC1 the bully triggers make the assault interesting.
Kerrigan and her fashionable af combat heels.
Always hated that stupid design -.-
Okay so a) how could one of the crystals be infused with "dark templar energies" if it came from the xelnaga, who left thousands of years before the schism, and b) why are there any special requirements to kill a cerebrate if the overmind, who was resurrecting them, is gone?
Char is where u spend the most missions if you count the space platform missions.
This was from the last StarCraft Jeopardy.
Charr, then Korhal and Auir are the most popular planets, but most missions at a specific location are either Backwater Station or the Xelnaga Temple of Auir
@@F14thunderhawk It's always backwater station, almost as if the Zerg have some kinda obsession with backwater station.
Maybe they just think Joey Ray's is a cool place to chill.
But... But I'm in Florida
I think the temple and temple on Aiur are each visited 3 times.
Temple on Aiur was destroyed and covered by the overmind.
I always thought it must have been really uncomfortable to land on it. Especially how pointy it is in SC1 graphics.
Temple on Aiur: Starcraft original Zerg 10, Starcraft original Protoss 10 and that protoss mini campaign during WoL, right?
@@alexbarac Four times actually. Don't forget in Legacy of the Void when you need to destroy Amon's host body.
I love how even though the Overmind is dead they still believe they need to use Dark Templars to kill the cerebrates. Why did they need to remake the Overmind if the cerebrates still need to be killed with DTs?
I think they DO need the overmind to reincarnate (at least lorewise, I don't know about triggers), but I don't think that's something zeratul knows, so they play it safe and send DTs for the secured kill
They don't talk about this much, but it seems like Zerg all belong to someone and nobody else can take control of them. When Zsasz dies, his brood goes crazy and not even the Overmind can just tell them to stop. And Kerrigan doesn't appear to be able to take control of the Cerebrates' Zerg. Am I forgetting some part where they explain this?
The Overmind is also paralyzed during Zeratul's attack as per Daggoth (Zerg 7) briefing, which caused it to be unable to resurrect Zasz in the first place. Zeratul uses Void energies, which was stated to be similar to what the Overmind uses (I believe Daggoth also says that), that's why they mind melded when Zeratul slew Zasz (Zeratul and the Overmind knew each other's secrets, including the location of Aiur and the Overmind's origins).
How did this guy beat any video game not on, like, casual?
neither of those cerebrates had names
wait, I just noticed, why is Artanis stuck with that shitty portrait from Starcraft 1, when Raszagal (and Aldaris) gets to use the shinny new one from Starcraft: Remastered? even though he also has one
I think the proxy gateways worked fine, your ground units just needed some corsair backup. I mean weren't you saying that mutas were so good that the corsair was invented to fight them?
Poor kakaru bird, u didn't just kill it at 7:55, but misspelled it's name as well)
Oh, does Mass Recall have the overclicking of the critters?
Why are the shield batteries now the SC2 version?
Sorry no fire and no cocoa, but I got a nice pizza
Messy but you still got it
Why does raszagal sound so robotic 🤖
STOP SIMPING, Raszagal!
-- Tassadar, probably.
Lettuce Attack
Seriosly why no Corsairs :O:O i was like why not ??
God, she doesn't shut up :P
You looked pretty tired in this one. Dont worry about your schedule if it helps bring better content!
I'm sorry if this sounds condescending or something I just noticed it and wanted to say something, I'm sure you know how to work just fine, and your content will always be excellent.
Random comment for channel interaction.
Is this the first time we see a female Protoss? is there any special lore regarding them?
Zeratuls voice used to be so cool, now he sounds senile
why is the game now using the sc2 sprite for the shield battery and photon cannon?
Becouse he`s playing as the Shakuras protoss instead of the Aiur Protoss :) it`s something added in the MOD
The shuttle factory ( Can`t remember the name) Also look like SC 2
Grant, Please build anti-air BEFORE you almost lose
damn, im 5 minutes late
Why does ggg hate cannons. Would make his life so much easier
Is Raszagal already infested here?
Yes. Since before Artanis & co ever arrived on shakuras. Not infested, just mind controlled though - one of the main conflicts of the entire saga is that the zerg cannot infest Protoss, hence the need for genetic splicing when creating the hybrid
Hello There
General Kenobi
try hero only
rules:
units only used to defense base
units can be sacrificed to arthas
units cant die if they are out the base (only use healing units not anything els)
in warcraft 3 pls
Just me or is Raszagal's voice acting a bit underwhelming/monotone? There's a lot of top tier voice acting in this game with the likes of Mengsk, Overmind/DuGalle/Zeratul, Aldaris, Kerrigan, etc, it's bit jarring to hear Raszagal (and probably including Artanis).
Nah not just you, Vorazun (who IIRC is her daughter) sounds far more interesting. This Artanis was a rookie Praetor, so he lacks the dignified aura of his SC2 counterpart.