Tatars Overview AoE2
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Analysis of the Tatar bonuses, unique unit/techs, and tech tree.
BONUSES
1:08 Team Bonus: Cavalry Archers +2 LOS
1:54 Villagers gather +50% food from herdables
3:40 Units deal +25% damage from fighting from higher elevation.
Elevation bonus in more detail: • Tatar Hill Bonus
Attacking uphill calculations in more detail: • Is it ever worth it to...
4:50 Thumb ring, Parthian tactics free
UNIQUE UNIT AND TECHS
6:50 Unique Unit: Keshik
Keshik in more detail, especially in various unit matchups: • Keshik
8:30 Unique Unit: Flaming Camel
9:25 Silk armor (light cavalry, steppe lancers, cavalry archers +1 pierce armor)
9:50 Timurid siegecraft (+2 range for trebuchets)
TECH TREE
10:37 Archers A-
11:20 Infantry F
11:50 Cavalry B+
12:30 Siege B+
12:50 Navy B- (C+ early, B late)
13:35 Monks C
13:55 Defences/University B
14:28 Economy B+
14:50 Wrap Up. Thoughts on strategies, maps, strengths, and weaknesses.
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Game: Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, Rise the Rajas, and Last Khans expansions
The monastery lacks faith and theocracy, but has illumination and block printing, might as well be training philosophers instead of monks.
Goddamn
Instead of converting people with monks, they have philosophers, which makes your enemies confused and attack everyone including their allies on sight
I laughed very loud at this
Perhaps rather journalists. In my experience philosophers tend to forget to put the lights on.
Historically camels with flaming hay on their backs were sent at elephants to spook them, making the elephants turn and stampede terrified through their own lines, trampling many of their own infantry and other foot troops to death. So while it may be a "meme unit" in game, it is a historically accurate thing. Especially with the bonus against elephants.
Thumb Ring, Parthian Tactics for free? Where can I sign up?
LOL
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I am proud tatar myself. And when they were introduced to this game it really warmed my heart. Best civ for me
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I'm a viking but prefer calvary civs 🤪
@@icecoldchilipreppers I'm a malay and I prefer cavalry and cav archer civs xD
I am Indian and I weep every time I see Elephant Archers being brought down by swarms of halbs.
Crimean or Kazhan?
Tatars overview:
1. Boil 'em
2. Mash 'em
3. Stick 'em in a stew
Wot's Tatars, Precious?
Tatars: live on flat steppes
Devs: have a hill bonus!
right but the steppes have many hilly areas cliffs dispersed into plains, the tatars held positions very well, maybe thats why
The great thing about the tatars and the other lancer civs is that they are great for psychological warfare. They can be used to make your opponent bang their head in anger or even quit the game.
To see how this is done, you gotta train a lancer in castle age and then place it near your opponent's lumbercamp. And then message your opponent:
"The guy standing next to your lumbercamp is my steppe lancer.
I never knew my real lancer."
Okay, I'm embrassed cause I don't get it.. explanation please, my lord.
@@skylible Steppe = step. Steplancer, i.e., adopted lancer.
@@skylible as in step father
Oooooohhhhh.... I kinda get it
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3:49 Also known as the Kenobi Bonus.... Anakin would hate to play against the Tatars
"It's over archers! I have the high ground!"
@@mrgaudy1954 You understimate my Longbowman!
Sergei Gaylord- Lord of the Gay legion *knowing Britons don’t get thumb ring* “Don’t try it...”
I think he may hate even more to play on Arabia; the terrain is coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
@@TeTaongaKorora or worse, playing against the Tatars on Arabia
As a tatar, I am happy that we finally have some representation in video games.
im tatar (siberian) aswell, finally we get some recognition.
haha same bro, i hope they will add us to AoE4!
Cumans? Bulgarians?
Do you speak Tatar or Russian? Because if you can speak Tatar, you can understand Turkish aswell.
Bruh we are all Turks and doesnit matter if it is Huns, Cumans, Tatars or Ottomans we are in the game with 4 civs
I love the Tatars, for their cavalary archer, finally the overview as I have been waiting
Back when 'Timurid Siegecraft' was just +1 range to Trebs, I wanted it to become a Team Unique Tech like Berber Kasbah. Would have been nice to have a second Team Bonus due to their weak default TB.
Tatars are my favorite civ, don´t know why I like them so much. Thanks for the spotlight they deserve.
If Flaming camels had the ability to turn enemy elephants like in the campaign or at least scaring away(making the elephant units neutral) would have been fun and a nice nod to their history
Which Campaign?
@@suryaramanandsharma1324 The Tatar's campaign.
Yea, making elephant neutral would double their meme value
Add a status debuff: cav and elephants caught in the blast radius panic for 1 second, unable to move or attack in that time.
@@FuelDropforthewin its already implemented we call it DE unit pathing
I always give a thumbs up to Spirit's videos before watching them, I just have the certainty by now that it's always quality content.
Man it feels so good hearing the full SOTL intro with the DE upgrade instead of the shortened version. ^_^
Tatars right now has been alot of fun for me to play as with that long range Treb that no one expected to reach their castle. Plus the cav Archer blob is insanely good for team games. I've led top score multiple times because that castle age boom is so strong
How the hell can you give a C for those monks, that's a straight F If I ever saw one.
Yeah they're god awful... I might even say worse than the infantry.
IKR?
No Sanctity meaning Monks don’t get extra +15 HP for their original 30 HP they start off with.
No Redemption meaning Monks can’t convert Seige Units and Buildings.
No Theocracy meaning Monks in groups all have to rest when converting a unit instead of only one.
Those IMHO are the MOST critical techs to research for a Monk. At least Tatars get Two Handed Swordsman unlike the Persians but missing those extra armor upgrades is a drawback unlike the Persians.
@@psiignoramus9486 I feel like those ratings should be switched, at least they have halberdier
I also find their lack of Faith and Heresy... disturbing. Jokes aside, I know they're both expensive, but they can always come in handy towards the late game if the opponent is heavily invested in monks for whatever reason. Then again, Tatars do get Hussars and plenty of ranged options to work with.
I'd like to add that despite Persians having some of the fewest Monastery techs (they only get Fervor and Herbal Medicine in Castle), they at the very least have access to Faith, Theocracy, and Block Printing in Imperial.
Also their halberdier deals the most bonus damage of any civ when fighting downhill. Certainly usable. It should be an underrated C or C-. Monks are unusable apart from relics
Spirit of the Law, if you don't mind, I would like to see a Genghis Khan campaign vs. history. Of course, only if you want.
The “kenobi bonus” had me😂
So happy to see Civ Overview back! Please do more when you have the time, can't get enough of them.
I recently viewed a video on war elephants and apparently flaming camels have been used against them irl: they did not in fact explode, they would just run around on fire, freaking out and screaming during their drawn out and horrifying death, all of this while smelling horribly of burnt fur and meat.
This would be kinda bad for human soldiers morale, but for a war Elephant it would have been absolutely terrifying and the poor beast had a fair chance to freak out and start trashing around, possibly trampling it's own army.
There you have it. That's the real history of this funny unit :)
Pigs were also a good counter to elephant charges. Their high-pitched squealing would terrify elephants. Set the pigs on fire and the smell would make it even more intimidating.
Tatars know exactly how many straws would break the camel's back.
"Cavalry, archer, and cavalry archer all in one."
The archer part is something which Mongols and Huns can't boast of. The Cavalry part is something which Portuguese, Turks and Vietnamese cannot boast of.
Also known as the Kenobi bonus. Nailed it :D
the way I look at their siege unique tech is that it allows the units defending the trebs to stand even farther away from castles, and makes it take enemy units even longer to actually reach the trebs, making them easier to take out since they have that much farther to walk if your opponent is really trying to focus them down
This channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites. And it's so nice to watch the community of an old game I love slowly grow :D
I have been waiting for this video for a long time!!!! thanks!!!!!
"What are you doing,step-Lancer??"
I like the look of their buildings that and their campaign is really fun
Keep this intro forever please. It's literally the best!
Now that you mention it the hill bonus is absolutely meant for treb wars since you want to place your castles on hills anyways and they even get +2 range from their unique tech, so its far more useful as a siege bonus.
I really like how the Keshiks look
Hey Spirit. Great video as always! I have two questions though: first, wouldn't it be better to make the case as to when to use Steppe Lancers vs Keshiks, instead of Knights vs Keshiks? Having played as Tatars quite a bit I know I'm never going to use Cavaliers because Keshiks seem to be better in every way since they cost a lot less gold and are fantastic for soaking up damage with their decent health and armour. Since Steppe Lancers and Keshiks are more comparable in price and Tatars do get the +1 pierce armour on their SLs, is there ever a time to use SLs over Keshiks? Like would SLs be better than Keshiks at fighting the Goth infantry spam or Eagle Warriors, for example?
My second question is how much of a difference does that +1p armour actually make to their Cavalry Archers? How much better do Tatar Cavalry Archers perform vs other Cavalry Archers, Arbalests, and Skirmishers? Maybe you could do a short follow up video where you look at this? Maybe one day you could even redo your top 5 Cavalry Archer video where you now also factor in Tatar cavalry archers and the Cuman Kipchaks? Hope you're having a great day!
These are interesting questions!
I can only attest Tatar's cav archers still lost to Turks, I have no idea about the rest
Steppe lancers are available sooner than Keshiks since you can make them the instant you hit castle age. SLs are better than knights at fighting off the spear line so they can make an early castle cav raid last longer and cause more damage. You can either transition into Keshiks once you have a castle up, or you can keep them as part of your mounted army, maybe as protection for the cav archers. That leaves your Keshiks free to go on the offensive. Haven’t played Tatars much but that’s how I use steppe lancers normally
You can also try to mix them, let Keshiks in the front to soak the damage and SL will bonk from behind
My own experience with Tatar - Turk's HCA still reign supreme. But Tatar HCA beats Mongol's HCA due to fully upgraded where Mongol's lacks armour. Castle age CA vs Mongol's CA is lots of back and forth. I think Tatar is slightly at a disadvantage since they don't get their bonus until you get a Castle, where as Mongol's will have theirs once they get their thumb ring. Don't know about vs against Mangudai though but I imagine you lose 1v1 but OK for cost effective trade. Also, Tatar is one of the best for rush CA in early castle age due to free thumb ring. It still fire slower than Mongol's CA, but instead have much higher accuracy, meaning if you go head to head vs other CAs, try to fight at longer range. All you need is then research arrow upgrade and get ballistic. Tatar's HCA can trade nicely with standard civ's Arbalests (1v1, but not cost effective), but I'll still avoid Skirmishers and let Light Cav or SL deal with them. While Light Cav and SL deal with Skirms and Heavy Cavs, HCAs snipe enemy's camels or pikes with your CAs. I don't know how well Kipchaks do against all the HCAs so can't comment. Never used them.
Keshik helps fight long term with the gold generation. Building them as soon as you have castle and have excess resources is great. But SL is the one that will hold the front line for you due to the +1 range. While CAs soften up armies at range, SL tank and deal the last damage to kill units if they get too close to your CAs. Knights are only used if your enemy gone a bit heavy on Feudal archer/skirm push and you need a few knights to kill those pesky archers/skirms and then turn the table and raid with them until you get your CAs and Light Cav counts up. You use knights because much higher hp. I would get Cavalier if I got a number of knights already when fighting against Mongol's Hussar/HCA mix as that combination struggles against Heavy Cav. If I don't I think Keshik is better to fight against Mongol's mix. Tatar SL vs Mongol's SL is much like Tatar's CA vs Turk's CA - you'll loose.
Goth spam or Eagle warriors your only hope is get Hand Canonneers, since Tatar gets them. With all your gold spent on HC you can only make Hussar for meatshield. Vs goth you should be raiding as much as possible to avoid letting them get their spam. I think Tatar is the only one of the 5 CA civ that gets HC (Magyar, Mongols, Cuman nor Huns get them). So actually Tatar is much better at dealing with those civs. This is the same vs Malians as well, as CA don't deal a lot of damage vs Malian's infantry either. I find that it's actually better you drop CA and switch to HC if you see enemy go Huskarls, eagle warrior or Malians infantry, only make a handful for raiding only.
Each of your new civ overwievs is better than the last one. I think you should do a new overview of the civs you did 3/4 years ago. The updates make some of them totally different aswell.
i feel the newer civs since African Kingdoms haven't reach the level of the Conquerors and, somewhat, HD civs, probably because the best bonuses (gather rates, unit discounts, hp boost on melee units...) have already been given to those older civs, and the newer ones often have situational bonuses
What about Cuman and their feudal age town center?
@@T2266 once again it feels too situational, once you're in castle age, you can't use that bonus anymore, you actively have to make use of that bonus, while Celts, Turks, Mayans will keep using their bonus for the rest of the game
That means they are learning, Malians and Ethiopians first release was ridiculous.
Anyone know what the intro music is called?
Edit: looks like it a piece of original SoL music, neat!
He puts a link to the full version in video descriptions.
3:51 HE FINALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE KENOBI WAY!
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Finally, I get to see a Recent Intro...
Excelent video to understand that they have a nice early but a bad late.
"Kenobi bonus": instantly killed me!
14:01 Doesn't the Kenobi bonus only affect units? In that case the castles won't benefit from the bonus
No, buildings too. More hp, and more attack
@@agustinrafaelle5396 Are we talking about the same bonus? The Kenobi/+25% damage from upill bonus for Tatars doesn't give HP even to units, and the bonus specifically says 'units.' This would suggest that buildings aren't affected unless it's another one of AoE's badly worded bonuses
@@TeTaongaKorora there is the tatar's hill bonus, and besides that you have game hill bonus, that aplies to all civs
@@TeTaongaKorora but yes it only says units... You are rigth
@@agustinrafaelle5396 Seeing as this is a Tatar overview and not an "all civs" overview, the general hill bonus is moot. Everyone's castles benefit from it exactly the same so only the additional Tatar bonus or lack of bonus matters for this
They now have a another civ bonus - Every new Town Centre that is built, 2 sheep are spawned. This starts in the Castle Age. Thoughts?
_clicks video_
_ctrl+f "sauce"_
_80's computer kid thumbs up_
Tatar is my favorite of the new civs, since I do love me some good cavalry archer
5:11 "In preparation for this video, four years ago..."
That's some dedication, doing research for videos of civilizations that didn’t even exist in the game yet.
God: it's time to destroy humanity for its sins
Sotl: uploaded
God: that can wait
First like and comment 😉
Great analysis as usual, Spirit! We need more of these updated civ overviews. This one was very well done!
Side note - when are you facing off with T90 Official?
You have bested me, sir. i hand my "first" comment crown to you. For now.
Yes please! SOTL vs T90
11 hours ago??????? The vid came out 4 mins ago.
@@unbakedsky4627 it's bug. Correct is eleven minutes
@@nevem526 it's not a bug, it's Patreon early access :)
I like to go scouts and xbows harass in feudal. Defend till castle.
Once I hit castle, I switch to CA and Steppes/Camels (depending if they go spears or knights) and seige with some keshik.
I think it’s important to mention that once you hit castle, you won’t need scouts and Xbows anymore. You basically just all in there at mines and farms till your core army gets built up.
Finally a new SOTL civ overview. The second half of 2020 is getting better!
I cant seem to figure them out but this video really help going forward. Lovely SOTL
You have no idea how much you just brightened my day.
Yay, long awaited overview! Thanks Spirit!
11:45 : Thank you for calling Aztecs, Mayans & Incas "American" civs, because I'm fed up of that mistaken "Meso" civs (since the addition of Incas to the game, which is not a Mesoamerican civ like the other two, it's a South American one).
Thanks a lot SOTL ! Your content is, as always : refreshing, intelligent and entertaining !
the best part of the tatars is that their castle looks cool and interesting and unique
That’s central Asian architecture for ya
Pretty nice civ to play with free upgrades for Horse Archers and beautiful unique unit that gives some extra gold. Sounds good for me.
Best sauce of info about the tartars
9:15 flaming camels, the most Florida unit in the game
And thus the best
YES ! You made my day, SotL !!!
I'm watching this just cuz I want lel. I play HD. But it's still very interesting, you analyze it all so that it can be used in a real game situation (which I will be never in xD).
Im curious, why do you still play HD?
Favourite civ! Had been waiting for this overview!
A review! My day just became better =D
I'm just impressed that you've recreated your whole intro using DE scenes. Especially the epic catapult shot against cavalry. You've probably had this for a while, but I only just noticed it now.
I am Tatar.
It's interesting that they added Tatars in the game.
We never had camels though. That's a weird unique unit.
Spirit of the law uploaded an overview video of a game civilization. Me and my rice : our meal will be historic.
A shining beacon in my Sub Box has appeared! 🌤️
People calling flaming camels a meme unit but with the super ranger trebuchets it’s nice to have a handful to kneecap any cavalry charges coming for the artillery.
"a good belly-button civ"
took me a few seconds but I got the pun
I got a defense for the bomb camel thingy tho: it kills enemy cavalry lines very fast. This could help you punch a hole in the enemy line so quickly you catch him off guard. Perhaps he was using cavalry to cover his archers from being swarmed by your own cavalry. Or perhaps all he had left to defend his town center was cavalry. Either case, the camels wipe them out almost instantly, not giving the opposing player enough time to produce more units to stop your advance.
Elephant Archer: finally some Monks I can handle.
Tatars: Flaming Camels.
Elephant Archer: Bruh! seriously?
The keshink is a good raiding troop because the trickle of gold work of villagers as well
love your videos..
you always do great work...
nice keep the spirit up
This is fantastic
"In preparation for this overview, 4 years ago..." 111111
What to do with Keshik to make it useful?
Dump the gold stealing. Make them resistant(or even immune) to anti-cavalry bonus. That's a way to protect against eagles, even if late.
Change the team bonus to something useful too. Like miniscule bonus to skirmisher damage against infantry
Never thought we would still see this one. Road to 1800 episode 4 confirmed?
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You Sir, changed your channel logo. The video was in recommendation yesterday and I thought it could be a copy channel. Bro always looking forward to your videos.
There is a very interesting Mod called 9x Civ Bonus, where all Civ bonus are stacked up to 9 times, and also allows you to research Unique Tech up to 9 times. It goes a bit out of hand with some Civilizations. For example, Imperial Age Byzantine Castles have 26000 HP, and Aztecs have Superfast Military Buildings, and the Saracens become Respectable with their Team Bonus.
He gave out an F in the grading!?
Spirit, what’s goin on man? Everything ok at home? You doin alright?
You know what would be cool? If the flaming camels slowly lost HP upon creation, but instead of exploding when coming in contact with things, somehow made nearby cavalry (and yes, also elephant) units flee, just like villagers do when they're attacked. Don't know about balancing, but that sounds like a more accurate concept I think.
It's the TATERS!
And I was just thinking that 4 days without an SoL video was far too long.
We are too spoilt
Although most beautiful architecture out of any civ!
Mr. of the Law, could you see if these guys could possibly have the fastest dark age in the game? I think they might be able to go up on herdables alone, and that update that gave them two free herdables with each new TC is a power spike and a half.
More food on herdables is not faster to get to feudal. Hunt and fishing is faster than herdables
Hope we can see some old civ review redo in the future.
Finally you are at my favorite team!
every time I see the tatars, the word 'tart' comes to my mind
The reason I pick Tatars is because they're the only civ besides Cumans who have the Central-Asian architecture set.
I recently played Rise of Tamerlane so tatars. I just massed up siege rams and light cav.
Cav Archer, light cavalry/hussar, seige ram trebs
I waited so long for this
That thumb ring joke was really sharp. Also what civ will you be doing next?
I wish I could leave the room myself. The monastery scene is truly horrific.
Finally a Civ Review! Thanks
"What's Tatars, Precious?"
I predicted this to be the next overview :)
Kenobi bonus yeah seem about right
My favorite part of the tatars is making 6 different types of cavalry
Greetings from Malaysia uwu
When your favorite civ gets a SOTL overview and you realize you’ve never seen its wonder
Personally I think this civ is sleeper OP. The mobility and relative unpredictableness of the tech tree of the Tatars make them a really fun to play as and really annoying to play against. The flush potential alone, with all the castle age follow up options depending on what you opened up with, should make this civilization absolutely top tier in 1v1.
Should but it ain't so. Too easy abusing their gold line after which they literally can't counter any cav since their halbs are essentially unusable. They clearly has immense potential, in team games in particular but you know what they'll do in castle 💯 of the time.