ion is a confusing mess
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
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Super hero comics have a reputation for being complicated to the point of being impenetrable for anyone who doesn't know decades of history and lore. A perfect example of this is Green Lantern Kyle Rayner upgrading his powers and becoming Ion. What began as a good story rooted far too heavily in the continuity of the DC Universe soon became a testament to the fact that even the simplest idea can become overcomplicated to the point that it doesn't make much sense anymore.
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So first White Lantern Kyle is a confusing mess and now Ion is a confusing mess. Now I am just waiting for the "Kyle's love life is a confusing mess" video. Now that is truly a confusing mess lol
Don't worry, the next one of these will be about somebody else :p Though Kyle's love life will have to be its own series at some point.
@@MosaicComics still waiting for the Kyle's love life is a confusing mess.
@@Plamkton Some version of that will definitely happen.
@@MosaicComics I've know this is old , but Kyle was doing all that activity, plus at the same time he was getting him some booty...
That's crazy mess up.
Kyles fridge is a girlfriend mess.
I agree that the emotion-based deities were a GREAT idea, but the continuity issues it created were endless❗️
Especially the part about all of them supposedly going beyond the source wall to die, refilling the emotional reservoir the universe needs to live, including the Life Entity, which can't die without killing every living thing in the universe.
The only emotional entity we don't know is for ultra violet or it's just I who don't know
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Yes! They should’ve simply made them godlike representations of life who are separated but together form a lager entity of life itself, or something.
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It’s just a reason to add more colors.
I hope to see a full Sodam Yat story in the future! He is one of my favorite characters but I feel like he has just been tossed to the side in these past few years.
I'm hoping GL gets back to the universe wide stories prior to Morrison
Me too. He was one of the best parts of expanding the Blackest Night prophecy into a long story arc, and his time in GLC was great.
I think the way johns retcons parralax was pretty genius in my opinion. Now the history is complex but that's comics lol
Ion and Kyle really do have a complicated history. Your videos capture the fun of the complicated side of comics though which is why I enjoyed your content. Thanks for making these!
No problem, I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for the kind words.
@@MosaicComics Anytime!
im glad im not the only person that remembers the rage entity growing at the centre of earth still...really seems like on a whole green lanterns really not doing too hot on representation for the other lantern corps and that makes me sad.
as for my feelings on ion, I more or less like what johns did with the whole thing around living emotional entities and I understand comics can get super confusing due to them not being entirely to one persons sole vision with a character, but I think that the idea couldve been adapted into the emotional spectrum a lot worse and for what its worth I am glad they didnt just make up some new name for a willpower entity and decided to try and tie ion in that way the same as parallax.
Agreed. A big part of the fun of the Johns era was exploring how different elements were connected, so I'm always up for that. Realistically, they could fix all of the ion confusion with one page of exposition, they'd just need to put more thought into it than they did before.
@@MosaicComics yeah, though it’d be a strange exposition since Ion isn’t around anymore as if I’m not mistaken all of the entities save parallax gave their lives to refuel the reserves beyond the source wall in lights out. Maybe they could try to cannonize the past somehow by needing to make a “new ion” as without an emotional entity something bad could end up happening.
You did a brilliant job explaining all this mess. Bravo. ✅
Thanks!
Great video, I didnt read much of the Kyle run.
I love the entities and I hope to see them again. I think all the retcons for "ion" and "parralax" was a great idea.
Although I didn't Start reading ANY GL until sinestro war so my pov is a little different
if I wanted to stretch I could say that the ion entity is pasive because will power is more of a fuel or boost to an action and not the action in itself, that is why the ion entity is passive and is more suited to boosting already existing power
That does make sense, and I think that's a great way of looking at Willpower's relationship with the other powers of the Emotional Spectrum, especially Hope.
@@MosaicComics fun fact: I was also thinking about the relationship between will power and hope in the comics as inspiration for this comment
Genuinely beautiful explanation, especially since the lanterns with ion have never been really possessed or changed.
@@kenlsten4651 thanks man :D
Excellent explanation of a pretty crazy lore
Thanks!
Perhaps it was just my brain trying to make sense of DC's inane BS, but I always read this as Ion was living inside the central battery alongside the imprisoned Parallax when Hal absorbed all of its power, so when Hal died Ion was there in that power that merged with Oblivion. Thus Kyle Ion with the ability to truly tap into Ion's full power because it was everything. With the central battery, guardians, and corps restored Kyle's second stint as Ion didn't have the near-limitless power it did the first time, but it was still stronger than any normal GL. As to why Kyle became the host again in that one panel... uh... well in the words of another UA-camr "so the plot can happen."
I had NO IDEA how powerful Ion is until I saw this video!!
I started reading Green Lantern upon reading GL Rebirth so yea.....Im here thinking it was just a cosmic space whale-fish 😅.
This doesn't upset me. In fact this video has empowered me to read more Green Lantern books , especially the older runs before the Geoff Johns run. 💚💚💚💚
I just found your channel, awesome videos! Keep up the great work!
Thanks, I will! Glad you're enjoying it!
GL of sector 181 here... Ion is certainly a mess, however we should use that power to create our own omega beams aka "Ionic Burner"
#Subbed🤝🏾
Good video! very informative. I think those problems are unavoidable when you have too many ideas and different writers.
If you allow me a suggestion, would be good to see a video about Terry Berg, the Green Lantern that never was. They put a lot of effort and time building up a good character, and all that work was all suddenly abandoned.
I've been thinking about Terry lately. I can't say when I'll get around to talking about him, but he deserves a spotlight.
@@MosaicComics I agree! I like your content, you have a new follower!
@@mikesantillanmx5530 Glad you’re here!
Oh no! Not the man with the skeleton face and body! Why is it always the ones you most suspect
The guardians sent the Starheart to earth to drain earth of all the chaotic magic running rampant
These are the videos I need in my Algorithm!
I've got a feeling they will be bringing Ion back in the next couple of issues of the latest GL run. In this case, it will be Hal Jordan as host. It wouldn't surprise me they also redesign Ion from the fish looking thing to something else.
Kyle Rayner
I always thought of the entities as being a sentient manifestation of their respective light. As in, directly connected to that light. It wouldn't surprise me if entities could travel within the power battery ring system into a host. That's just a bunch of assumptions on my part though.
There's no reason they couldn't, since that how Parallax took control of the entire Green Lantern Corps during "War of the Green Lanterns". Maybe it's just harder to do, since it's a narrow pathway that covers a huge distance.
so your telling me the left over power of paralax hal jordan wa so hight that it basicly made kyle a water down god of light hal jordan. wow that surprise me i totaly forgot bout ion (OG)
It's a good video except for the fact that it makes me confront the reality of what they ended up doing with my favorite story. The original Ion story is so well done, it's sad how bad the miniseries went. And at the end of the day, putting it in Sodam Yat, the one person who least needed it. I don't remember him ever doing anything with the powers that be couldn't just as easily do with a regular ring.
He did use it to give Daxam a yellow sun, and the mix of his Superman powers + the ion power is what let him do as well as he did against Superboy Prime. Beyond that, they held it back a lot.
My theory is that when Hal and Kyle originally became godlike in zero hour and power of ion respectively, they carried a combination of the 2 entities (and possibly the starheart) with parallax being dominant which powered oblivion as well. Both entities were then stuck on the sun with Hal but Kyle absorbed ion and a mix of parallax’s power. And with ion gone, parallax was able to come back fully in GL rebirth. It would explain why they were less powerful when they carried the entities separately later on.
Otherwise, I completely agree with your theory at the end (which I think is pretty simple compared to other ideas and what I’ve always imagined the explanation being). Kyle becoming ion again is because he had split the entity amongst him, Jade and the central power battery and during infinite crisis, the guardians secretly gave him the battery portion beforehand (so that he could bring the entity back) and once Jade died, Kyle had a fully powered ion entity. I’ve always wanted a writer to come in and explain this stuff but your video does a great job explaining ion!
Btw, do you like the entities or are you glad they’re “dead”? I’ve always liked them and imagined them coming back by using the remnants left in Kyle and the process atrocitus used in dc rebirth.
The entities are great, the only bad thing about them is they don't get used or explored nearly enough. That's why I want them to pick up the thread of the Rage Seed so badly, the ability to follow a new Entity from birth is an opportunity to learn a lot more about them.
I agree with Ken here.
Parallax: Hal (influenced/infected by Parallax) heads to Oa and ABSORBS the battery. Within said Battery is (presumably) Parallax who he nows bonds with fully, and Ion (otherwise how else does Ion get into the sun? If that's the idea.)
Ion DOES NOT equal the power in the central power battery. We know the two are different things. Ok check on Hal having as much power as he does. Two entities and the power of the entire Corps. That makes sense.
Kyle becoming Ion: PRETTY clear he absorbs Ion, and whatever Corps Battery energy Hal leaves in the sun. He also absorbs Oblivion (who you make a point of distinguishing between Oblivion and other power so...two different things). The question is, Hal DIES and leaves power in the sun. DOES HE LEAVE PARALLAX? You could say yes (just in a diminished state given the energy expenditure required to re-ignite the sun. That would help explain Kyles near godlike ability (After all, Hal is responsible for Zero Hour...more evidence of godlike ability when these things are combined).
But....is that TRULY what happened to Parallax ala Rebirth? We know Hal becomes the Spectre but rebirth tells us Spectre is bonded to Hal because Hals soul is still bonded to Parallax and Parallax cannot be left unchecked. This tells us Parallax likely WASN'T left in the sun.
OR you could take both explanations. Kyle absorbs the energy in the sun (which in this scenario includes Parallax), does his Ion thing, then returns it in issue 150. THEN Spectre bonds with Hal and Parallax (who is either in the battery and senses Hal, or returned to Hal the minute Kyle gave up the power).
IDK....welcome to fanboy theory.
Bottom line, you know I love THE POWER OF ION. Confusing hellscape aside? I'll never not love that story.
@@TheNerdFonz Rebirth seems to make it clear that Parallax was glued to Hal’s soul after he died, which was the only reason the Spectre bonded to Hal in the first place, so I think it’s safe to say there was no Parallax left behind near the sun.
@@MosaicComics That would be fantastic. I'm not sure if I want a second generation of entities but having them reborn and actually better explained would be great. Something I wish they would do is connect the entities to other heroes like Hawk and Dove, Bunker, and the starheart.
@@kenlsten4651 Explaining Dove's connection to the white light would be nice.
Judd Winick's story is great
This is the greatest video i've ever watched and Im 2 minutes in... Hooyah Green Lanterns! 🐻
When it comes to Ion and this entity. I believe that the mass of green energy allowed Ion to materialize there and stay there but then became the power battery and after all that Ion was discovered by the guardians so they seeked out a new vessel but the mix of magic and green energy with it being kyle called out to this surge and the guardians just allowed it to go.
It wasn’t that confusing. Actually a great story.
A video idea for you: the life of kilowog (aka, the weird and long journey for him to come back to life).
I actually just pulled out the issue where he comes back to life. The big poozer will get the spotlight eventually, there are a few things I want to finish first.
“Most powerful Green Lantern”
Mogo: The fuck?
Biggest isnt most powerful.
Is that music from breath of fire in the background???
So should I read Power of Ion or Circle of Fire then? As soon as Ion kinda came about I was intimidated and stopped. Generally curious as I liked the character in Johns and Vendetti's runs.
Power of Ion is a legitimately great story. If I had to make a list of the top five Kyle Rayner stories, it'd be on there.
Circle of Fire is more of a mixed bag because there's more creators involved. It was Circle of Fire #1 and 2 with a bunch of one-shots in-between them, by different creative teams following different characters. That format keeps the whole thing from feeling cohesive, but then most of those one-shots are written by Brian K. Vaughn and Judd Winick, which is pretty awesome.
@@MosaicComics Ha, didn't expect such a fast response, I just heard good things about Power of Ion and wanted to know where to get started with Ion Kyle Rayner, but if it is a legitimately good story then im sold. Thanks. I'll probably check out Circle of Fire digitally and see how I feel if I want to add it to my Rayner collection. I appreciate the quick response.
@@sergioruiz733 No problem. Enjoy.
So Ion is basically the equivalent of Dr. Manhattan
Dr Manhattan can still do a lot more, but Ion could be his young sidekick learning the ropes.
Trying to search for continuity in an American comic book? You poor soul.
I've found that for every messed up pile like Ion, there's at least one story that does it right. The current series is actually making some really interesting use of 1990's era continuity in a way that's pretty exciting.
Didnt Sadam Yat become an Ion?
Me kilicking the video Ibwas thinking about embotiend of will not kyle obtaing god like powers
I miss Kyle being the main GL. He and John are so much more interesting than Hal.
Why are you Confused about Everything? Dude 🤧🙁🤨🤔🤷🏽♂️. It all makes sense
idk, I didn't find it that confusing
Herd of this character he Kyle reiner ?? isn’t he a daxomite ( similar but in way weaker then a kypotonian but with a power ring ?( green lantern) cmon …This character should be OP and they just messed his character up didn’t super boy prime beat him also ?? Or is sodam yat a different character? He’s a lantern also confusing my head hurts lol 😂- ok so what I got from this is that ion entity goes from host to host and it seem like who ever is writing him and put his power level wherever they want from pretty strong to almost omnipotent - but seriously gets confusing after that
I feel stupid because I got Ion mixed up with the Omega Lantern
Don't feel bad, everything about Ion is confusing.
@@MosaicComics yeah, it's just I was trying to explain to my mom why I like Kyle Rayner so much, and how strong he is, but I kept calling Ion the Omega Lantern, but your video was great
@@pugy2000 Thanks!
Dude, if the most recent storyline is set 15 years before your video then you do not need to do a spoiler warning.
Better than superman
Hey can i get a heart please
Nah it's not confusing it's just stupid writing.
Eh everything has become a confusing mess ever since Geoff Johns took his place as the writer.
Johns did in fact mess some things up, and never delivered on a few plot threads, but ion specifically was the result of multiple writers and editors not being on the same page. It still boggles my mind that they could spend 12 issues explaining what ion is and how it works, only to change it 100% just three months later.
@@MosaicComics Yeah that's how things work there in the comic industry, I guess. The writers want one thing, the editors want another. Miscommunication, misunderstanding, misoppotunities, ect. Doesn't matter how many issues or how much time one put into a character, a plot or a concept. Somehow, in some way it'll eventually be retconned.
@@akwilson1676 And since comics are cyclical, it all comes back eventually. Which is something I actually like a lot, it means that if there's something you wish got more attention, it'll be back eventually.
@@MosaicComics Well actually no. I've been waiting for god knows how long for Clayface 3 to come back, and it still has not happened.
@@akwilson1676 Oh he'll be back. Even if only because some writer out there loves the idea of the Mud Pack.