So when Kyle was the only Green Lantern in the universe, he had access to the full range of Willpower with no limitations and became super overpowered. But once more GL's came into being again, that power was divided up between them all and caused them to get nerfed from what Kyle could do, including Kyle himself. With more Lanterns, there's less power to go around. That's my understanding of it, at least. Am I on the right track?
Yes, that’s pretty much what he’s saying in this video. Makes sense if you think about it from a power source perspective from the central battery and how finite it is when spread around to a large group of GL members.
That is entirely and complete headcanon though They became weaker because too many writers. Kyle didn't channel the power of the entire corps. He never did. In fact, Hal did when he became Parallax, he stole the powers of Central battery to himself.
Even that isn't necessarily true, and is mostly headcanon. Since Hal is allowed to have absurd willpower at the wim of the writer because he's Hal Jordan. Also if this was true, Kyle would've had no power when Hal was going around with/as Parallax, because he absorbed the entire power battery.
I know the answer. Writer inconsistency. There should be no dip in power because each ring holds its own distinct charge that is amplified from the users own will power. Power of the rings doesn't come from the battery itself, it comes from the will power of the user who has a set charge that they can use. DC probably didn't like the idea of basically an army of planet popping space cops so they just decided to nerf the heck out of them.
I became a big fan of Hal when I read "emerald dawn" here in Brazil. But when they have to make he the villain to promote this "Green Peter Parker", I give up to read more stuff from Green Lantern. Till the day Hal became was he supposed to be again.
I don’t think they necessarily got weaker over the years, but writers changing the overall level of power of everyone during modern ages of comics. A lot of them get strong and then weak again over the years like you said. Sinestro, as a regular lantern, is also able to tank Volthoom blowing up an entire planet on him and he was fine other than emotionally. In Green Lantern: Season 2, it only took 3 Green Lanterns to make an entire sun for hours. Then Hal Jordan was able to kill an entire adult sun eater in one shot despite it’s obvious ability to entire suns and galaxies. Though, I do think this is a very interesting theory however.
what one shot is that? Morrison made the rings more powerful, it makes sense in the context of his story and it was also that strong with crazy powers in the Silver age where green lanterns could even travel through time. Heck, it happened with Kyle too a COUPLE OF TIMES, he and Jordan have literally switched places, time-traveled, met lanterns from other universes in their respective series (Kyle in Ron marz and Judd winick's stories, Hal in his silver age stories and Morrison run, etc)
10:09, This idea of less members drawing on power combined with the individual imagination of a member (as obviously, not all of them have the same degree of imagination, concentration, willpower or sheer skill to have the same potential despite sharing the same powers) could make for interesting story potential, as it presents the question on is power more important than teamwork, or alternatively can serve as the basis for an epic finale like in Green Lantern: Emerald Knights giving Hal a massive power boost to overwhelm Sinestro (who at that point was also kind of a one person Lantern Corp as the only Yellow Lantern in that continuity, the only person channeling the yellow element).
Great video Dan. Interesting theory and perspective on the current state of the Green Lantern Corps, but what I enjoy most about this video is the acknowledgement of my favourite GL Kyle Rayner and the amazing things he was able to do with a power ring during the time of him being the only Green Lantern.
My headcanon is that ring power gets diluted for each user, kind of like the speed force. That would explain why old-school Sinestro can grapple with the entire corps, but once he forms his own army of yellow lanterns, the two factions are about equal. It also explains why larfleeze is so ridiculously powerful, since he doesn't share his power. Remember, during emerald twilight, Hal got stronger with each ring that he stole and Parallax Hal got his godlike powers from absorbing the lion's share of the power battery
They did answer why Kyle was that powerful. When he was first became green lantern he was made the holder of the will entity the Ion power (unknown to him at the time). He couldn't readily access it till later.
He will allways og Sometimes I see it as in a multivers kind of Thing So basically there's multive Vers of hal so he's a A goat In most of the universes for maybe a small view
*YES* Over the years writers keep nerfing and nerfing the GL corps to ridiculous degrees for a variety of reasons. 1. They aren’t as popular as the other DC superheroes so they make them job to more popular ones such as Wonder Woman or Batman. Green lantern in the 60/70’s wouldn’t have lost against Diana like he did in New 52. 2. The movie has ruined the reputation of Green Lantern and now anyone that holds the mantle is seen as a joke. The infamous yellow paint form All Star Batman and the clown he was written as in New 52 shows as much. 3. Writers have no creativity or lack understanding of Green Lantern. His ring can do *anything* summon elements, go intangible, information analysis, time stop, absorption, but all they do nowadays is make Green lantern shoot energy blast and sometimes use constructs.
That's an excellent question, and...probably, yeah. The biggest problem Lex would have is that the orange light warps the mind of whoever tries to wield it, so he wouldn't necessarily be adding immense power to his immense knowledge, he'd be giving up some of who he is in exchange for power...and I don't think Lex's ego would allow that.
Honestly how I used to do some of the kind of screwed up stuff that cow does including time travel using his ring. But apparently every time the universe gets rebooted people lose a little of their power
Kyle’s power levels before Green Lantern Rebirth were insane and when he became Ion he became even more powerful. I didn’t read any of Kyles comics but holy shit do I respect him, I always thought of him and Wally as the comic relief of the Justice League but when you look at some of the feats they both accomplished they are in fact some of the most op characters in the DC Universe and they’re lucky they are both good people and understand what their powers are capable of.
Kyle is honestly a very underrated lantern, even Hal thinks of him as the best Lantern despite admitting he's the best in will. When Hal came back after his stint as the spectre he flat out told Sinestro, who was badmouthing Kyle "Kyle carried the torch when no one else did, when no one else could. You will respect him!"
Minor correction: The Green Lantern Central Power battery doesn't collect ambient emotional energy. It gathers all willpower from each Green Lantern Corp member. That power is distributed to all personal lantern batteries and used to charge the rings. This is how Lanterns can "run out" of emotions despite that not making sense since emotions are limited elements. It's made so if a Lantern goes rogue they simply need to disconnect them from the network and they won't be able to recharge anymore. Your theory makes sense though, it can still work given the fact Eon would still reside in the power battery and Kyle's ring and lantern wouldn't be sharing power with other lanterns so he could use his willpower to the fullest extent since it wouldn't become a part of the central power battery to help other lanterns anymore.
This is why Kyle has been my favourite for such a long time, I really don’t think he’s given the love he used to, I’m preying he’s introduced to James gun’s DCU
The big problem with GL is that the power to create anything you imagine is a technically limitless power. The strength of the idea is that GL can come up with creative ideas to solve problems, but it also means that GL can come up with lazy solutions. When we see Hal hit Mongul with a hammer, one might ask "Why not just shoot a giant beam of energy or drop a giant rock on him?" The real-life answer is that it's more interesting to do the former. However, it still seems impractical. What we need are some solid ground rules that explain why creating elaborate creative constructs is better than simple solutions. For example, we could have something saying that abstract ideas require more will and don't hit as hard as constructs based on real life.
I think sometimes it can be as simple as the idea that the potential of the power is limitless, but the imagination of the user isn't. Even someone like Kyle is creative in a particular way that wouldn't automatically allow him to exploit the full potential of what the ring can do. There are things that Kyle can imagine that would never occur to John, and vice versa. This is also why it helps to have limitations, like the need to recharge periodically, or silly weaknesses to things like wood or the color yellow, because it forces them to think outside the box. In the example you mentioned, the reason Hal hit Mongul with a hammer in GL#46 is because Mongul's skin is yellow so Hal's ring could't hurt him, so Hal had to get creative and use the ring to briefly amplify is strength while hitting Mongul with something that didn't come from the ring: the hammer that Steel dropped in a prior issue.
If Green Lantern switched to legacy numbering ,because of the nature of the corps, would it include' GL Corps' Series as well as other spinoffs like Guy Gardener? Or would it only include Hal Jordan issues?
Yeah. The more Lanterns are around, the weaker they are, individually. That’s one reason I don’t like seeing them operate as an army. It should rarely be necessary.
First of all that wasn't the only Green lantern and it was a special Green lantern ring I think it was made out of part of the battery itself and then he got his actual lantern later on because when he first got his ring it would charge up on its own so it could regularly maintain power because it's couple times he ran out of power and then just started working again it charged on its own probably some of it has to do with it being a battery piece that it still collects willpower the people around it
Are you talking about Kyle's ring? Because Kyle's ring was made from Hal's old ring, Ganthet reforged the pieces right before leaving Oa at the end of Emerald Twilight. It had a charge when Kyle got it, but ran out after four issues, which was right before he got his battery (which was a piece of the old Central Battery).
Green Lantern s are so over powered. Corrps need a lot to be useful. Yellow lanterns, Sinstor group and other Lantern groups. Never been a bm fan of these guys
So when Kyle was the only Green Lantern in the universe, he had access to the full range of Willpower with no limitations and became super overpowered. But once more GL's came into being again, that power was divided up between them all and caused them to get nerfed from what Kyle could do, including Kyle himself. With more Lanterns, there's less power to go around. That's my understanding of it, at least. Am I on the right track?
Yes, that’s pretty much what he’s saying in this video.
Makes sense if you think about it from a power source perspective from the central battery and how finite it is when spread around to a large group of GL members.
That is entirely and complete headcanon though
They became weaker because too many writers. Kyle didn't channel the power of the entire corps. He never did. In fact, Hal did when he became Parallax, he stole the powers of Central battery to himself.
Even that isn't necessarily true, and is mostly headcanon. Since Hal is allowed to have absurd willpower at the wim of the writer because he's Hal Jordan.
Also if this was true, Kyle would've had no power when Hal was going around with/as Parallax, because he absorbed the entire power battery.
Yes and it’s better this way because no one Green Lantern can protect the entire universe, which is the whole point of the Corps
I agree with this. The inconsistencies with GL is so annoying. The ring used to create kryptonite for crying out loud.
I know the answer. Writer inconsistency. There should be no dip in power because each ring holds its own distinct charge that is amplified from the users own will power. Power of the rings doesn't come from the battery itself, it comes from the will power of the user who has a set charge that they can use.
DC probably didn't like the idea of basically an army of planet popping space cops so they just decided to nerf the heck out of them.
I became a big fan of Hal when I read "emerald dawn" here in Brazil. But when they have to make he the villain to promote this "Green Peter Parker", I give up to read more stuff from Green Lantern. Till the day Hal became was he supposed to be again.
I don’t think they necessarily got weaker over the years, but writers changing the overall level of power of everyone during modern ages of comics. A lot of them get strong and then weak again over the years like you said. Sinestro, as a regular lantern, is also able to tank Volthoom blowing up an entire planet on him and he was fine other than emotionally. In Green Lantern: Season 2, it only took 3 Green Lanterns to make an entire sun for hours. Then Hal Jordan was able to kill an entire adult sun eater in one shot despite it’s obvious ability to entire suns and galaxies. Though, I do think this is a very interesting theory however.
what one shot is that? Morrison made the rings more powerful, it makes sense in the context of his story and it was also that strong with crazy powers in the Silver age where green lanterns could even travel through time. Heck, it happened with Kyle too a COUPLE OF TIMES, he and Jordan have literally switched places, time-traveled, met lanterns from other universes in their respective series (Kyle in Ron marz and Judd winick's stories, Hal in his silver age stories and Morrison run, etc)
Really good video, I like the in universe reason why it takes a team rather than one person.
This makes me just miss the color corps more😄.
Kyle Rayner is my favorite Green Lantern, and my favorite superhero of all time. With all respect for Hal and the rest.
This was always my headcannon! Great to see we're on the same page.
Great minds.
Im so glad i found this channel.
This is an awesome channel that deserves so much more attention. Keep it up man.
Thank you so much.
10:09, This idea of less members drawing on power combined with the individual imagination of a member (as obviously, not all of them have the same degree of imagination, concentration, willpower or sheer skill to have the same potential despite sharing the same powers) could make for interesting story potential, as it presents the question on is power more important than teamwork, or alternatively can serve as the basis for an epic finale like in Green Lantern: Emerald Knights giving Hal a massive power boost to overwhelm Sinestro (who at that point was also kind of a one person Lantern Corp as the only Yellow Lantern in that continuity, the only person channeling the yellow element).
A green lantern dedicated channel.
Great video Dan. Interesting theory and perspective on the current state of the Green Lantern Corps, but what I enjoy most about this video is the acknowledgement of my favourite GL Kyle Rayner and the amazing things he was able to do with a power ring during the time of him being the only Green Lantern.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it!
My headcanon is that ring power gets diluted for each user, kind of like the speed force. That would explain why old-school Sinestro can grapple with the entire corps, but once he forms his own army of yellow lanterns, the two factions are about equal. It also explains why larfleeze is so ridiculously powerful, since he doesn't share his power.
Remember, during emerald twilight, Hal got stronger with each ring that he stole and Parallax Hal got his godlike powers from absorbing the lion's share of the power battery
Also love your explanation for Kyle’s power. Makes a lot of sense
Thanks!
They did answer why Kyle was that powerful. When he was first became green lantern he was made the holder of the will entity the Ion power (unknown to him at the time). He couldn't readily access it till later.
yes i miss Hal Jordan being a powerhouse
He will allways og Sometimes I see it as in a multivers kind of Thing So basically there's multive Vers of hal so he's a A goat In most of the universes for maybe a small view
*YES* Over the years writers keep nerfing and nerfing the GL corps to ridiculous degrees for a variety of reasons.
1. They aren’t as popular as the other DC superheroes so they make them job to more popular ones such as Wonder Woman or Batman. Green lantern in the 60/70’s wouldn’t have lost against Diana like he did in New 52.
2. The movie has ruined the reputation of Green Lantern and now anyone that holds the mantle is seen as a joke. The infamous yellow paint form All Star Batman and the clown he was written as in New 52 shows as much.
3. Writers have no creativity or lack understanding of Green Lantern. His ring can do *anything* summon elements, go intangible, information analysis, time stop, absorption, but all they do nowadays is make Green lantern shoot energy blast and sometimes use constructs.
Kyle Rayner made me really get into the Green Lantern section of the DCU,, as well.
If that is so could lex luthor with a orange lantern fill the power gap between him and superman ?
That's an excellent question, and...probably, yeah. The biggest problem Lex would have is that the orange light warps the mind of whoever tries to wield it, so he wouldn't necessarily be adding immense power to his immense knowledge, he'd be giving up some of who he is in exchange for power...and I don't think Lex's ego would allow that.
#makegreenlanternsstrongagain
Honestly how I used to do some of the kind of screwed up stuff that cow does including time travel using his ring. But apparently every time the universe gets rebooted people lose a little of their power
Kyle’s power levels before Green Lantern Rebirth were insane and when he became Ion he became even more powerful.
I didn’t read any of Kyles comics but holy shit do I respect him, I always thought of him and Wally as the comic relief of the Justice League but when you look at some of the feats they both accomplished they are in fact some of the most op characters in the DC Universe and they’re lucky they are both good people and understand what their powers are capable of.
Kyle is honestly a very underrated lantern, even Hal thinks of him as the best Lantern despite admitting he's the best in will. When Hal came back after his stint as the spectre he flat out told Sinestro, who was badmouthing Kyle "Kyle carried the torch when no one else did, when no one else could. You will respect him!"
Great video! That theory makes perfect sense. What issue did Kyle get his lantern battery?
Kyle got his battery in Green Lantern #55. It's the cover with Kyle fighting Alan Scott, and there's a Zero Hour banner at the top.
@@MosaicComics oh I actually have that issue, totally forgot that happened haha
Could you do video about out all the members of the green lantern corpse
Minor correction: The Green Lantern Central Power battery doesn't collect ambient emotional energy. It gathers all willpower from each Green Lantern Corp member. That power is distributed to all personal lantern batteries and used to charge the rings.
This is how Lanterns can "run out" of emotions despite that not making sense since emotions are limited elements. It's made so if a Lantern goes rogue they simply need to disconnect them from the network and they won't be able to recharge anymore.
Your theory makes sense though, it can still work given the fact Eon would still reside in the power battery and Kyle's ring and lantern wouldn't be sharing power with other lanterns so he could use his willpower to the fullest extent since it wouldn't become a part of the central power battery to help other lanterns anymore.
Saw your video on the gold lantern. But what would a silver lantern corps be if it existed? I don't know, speculation video?
Armazing video, really like it
Thank you.
This is why Kyle has been my favourite for such a long time, I really don’t think he’s given the love he used to, I’m preying he’s introduced to James gun’s DCU
The big problem with GL is that the power to create anything you imagine is a technically limitless power. The strength of the idea is that GL can come up with creative ideas to solve problems, but it also means that GL can come up with lazy solutions.
When we see Hal hit Mongul with a hammer, one might ask "Why not just shoot a giant beam of energy or drop a giant rock on him?" The real-life answer is that it's more interesting to do the former. However, it still seems impractical.
What we need are some solid ground rules that explain why creating elaborate creative constructs is better than simple solutions. For example, we could have something saying that abstract ideas require more will and don't hit as hard as constructs based on real life.
I think sometimes it can be as simple as the idea that the potential of the power is limitless, but the imagination of the user isn't. Even someone like Kyle is creative in a particular way that wouldn't automatically allow him to exploit the full potential of what the ring can do. There are things that Kyle can imagine that would never occur to John, and vice versa. This is also why it helps to have limitations, like the need to recharge periodically, or silly weaknesses to things like wood or the color yellow, because it forces them to think outside the box. In the example you mentioned, the reason Hal hit Mongul with a hammer in GL#46 is because Mongul's skin is yellow so Hal's ring could't hurt him, so Hal had to get creative and use the ring to briefly amplify is strength while hitting Mongul with something that didn't come from the ring: the hammer that Steel dropped in a prior issue.
If Green Lantern switched to legacy numbering ,because of the nature of the corps, would it include' GL Corps'
Series as well as other spinoffs like Guy Gardener? Or would it only include Hal Jordan issues?
Honestly I thought Hal was way more interesting as Parallax than as a Green Lantern
I always liked Sodam Yat, Ion. I mean, Hal is still my OG fave, but Ion was damn cool.
Yeah. The more Lanterns are around, the weaker they are, individually. That’s one reason I don’t like seeing them operate as an army. It should rarely be necessary.
First of all that wasn't the only Green lantern and it was a special Green lantern ring I think it was made out of part of the battery itself and then he got his actual lantern later on because when he first got his ring it would charge up on its own so it could regularly maintain power because it's couple times he ran out of power and then just started working again it charged on its own probably some of it has to do with it being a battery piece that it still collects willpower the people around it
Are you talking about Kyle's ring? Because Kyle's ring was made from Hal's old ring, Ganthet reforged the pieces right before leaving Oa at the end of Emerald Twilight. It had a charge when Kyle got it, but ran out after four issues, which was right before he got his battery (which was a piece of the old Central Battery).
Wait wasent Kyle power by ion at this time.
I can't believe Robert Vinditti wrote Kyle as the weak 'sissy' Green Lantern.
He really ignored what Kyle did in the past.
it could just be writers inconstnces or power creep
Kyle nuked a planet and survived?? How strong is this guy?
Considering that he was able to stall Solaris for a few hours? Fucking strong.
Contained about 72 blackholes in a construct.
At his highest? He's around low multiversal
Its just conversation of Ninjitsu
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Green Lantern s are so over powered. Corrps need a lot to be useful. Yellow lanterns, Sinstor group and other Lantern groups. Never been a bm fan of these guys