I Finally Got a New Toyota Tundra and I'm Disappointed

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  • @scottykilmer
    @scottykilmer  2 роки тому +53

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    • @carazule575
      @carazule575 2 роки тому

      Scotty, I just checked out THE GREATEST CAR EVER dot come. Who knows if this is a movie or documentary? Tesla???

    • @michaelp9707
      @michaelp9707 2 роки тому +1

      Man Scotty when I saw all that Charcoal in the trunk I was near certain it was a Ford since most of them are still Coal powered 😎🏭🔥

    • @JohnDoe-kb9sj
      @JohnDoe-kb9sj 2 роки тому +1

      When is Toyota going to drop the ugly front ends. Makes me think of a feeding bass fish

    • @raulcasas4548
      @raulcasas4548 2 роки тому

      I thought you were dead.

    • @robertlawrence9000
      @robertlawrence9000 2 роки тому

      That looks like a disappointing Tundra. Turbos and that bad of gas mileage? I would worry about those turbos too.

  • @brennangilbert3332
    @brennangilbert3332 2 роки тому +388

    I work at a Toyota dealership in Vegas.....wait, don't buy one yet. Give it a few years for them to get all the kinks out. They've had problems with them already. Not only that, but people are stealing catalytic converters off of them!! You don't want that bill, trust me!

    • @cessealbeach
      @cessealbeach 2 роки тому +43

      My buddy at work got some issues, seats cracking and just had both his turbos replaced , the truck is only a month old with 400 miles

    • @David-ys4xb
      @David-ys4xb 2 роки тому +16

      An even better idea, buy a newer 2nd gen

    • @brennangilbert3332
      @brennangilbert3332 2 роки тому +39

      @@cessealbeach that doesn't surprise me!! Every manufacturer seems to be making things cheaper and charging more $$ for their vehicles, even Toyota now

    • @brennangilbert3332
      @brennangilbert3332 2 роки тому +39

      @@David-ys4xb I agree!! Naturally aspirated V8. Those 5.7's are good engines

    • @lordtark6736
      @lordtark6736 2 роки тому +54

      This Truck is so bad. People are in denial because its a Toyota.

  • @roadeomagic
    @roadeomagic 2 роки тому +389

    When found out that Toyota was not going to make any more V8 engines, in December of 2020, I bought a 21' 1794 tundra. It was also my retirement gift to myself. I seriously believe my 21' will outlast the 22's, just my opinion... Best of luck

    • @barryjoslin432
      @barryjoslin432 2 роки тому +43

      It will. For sure. That v8 and tired and true 6Speed Aisin automatic will last till the second coming.

    • @scottclute8413
      @scottclute8413 2 роки тому +2

      Not the real Price?????

    • @scottclute8413
      @scottclute8413 2 роки тому +1

      Doubt it very much Scotty

    • @George-on3zm
      @George-on3zm 2 роки тому +3

      And I just got a 19 Limited!

    • @jjohnson8977
      @jjohnson8977 2 роки тому +8

      my 04 is my retirement gift but I retire at 47. Thing is a rock

  • @barryjoslin432
    @barryjoslin432 2 роки тому +124

    The whole rear window going down is - for me - way better than a sunroof and is one of my favorite features. I live in Florida and there’s nothing like having that down in January in Florida. Glorious.

    • @juliabrown5396
      @juliabrown5396 Рік тому +4

      I have both on my 13 Tundra Ltd. I love to open everything and go down the highway blasting my music! 😂

    • @danman5857
      @danman5857 Рік тому +8

      plus if you have a really stinky fart, the cabin clears out quickly. haha.

    • @cwqrpportable
      @cwqrpportable Рік тому

      No way, given a choice, I'll take the F150 panoramic roof any day.

    • @nicholastonella5460
      @nicholastonella5460 Рік тому +3

      @@cwqrpportable the new tundras also have the option for a panoramic moon roof, this owner just didn’t get that feature.

    • @cwqrpportable
      @cwqrpportable Рік тому +2

      @@nicholastonella5460 Yes, but the new Tundras are butt ugly and they've just had too many issues........don't like or trust them. Better options out there.

  • @jcnunny
    @jcnunny 2 роки тому +91

    My 2008 5.7 just hit 183K miles.
    I've changed the brakes and plugs once, the alternator and starter. And a couple sets of tires.
    Still runs smooth. Sad they retired the 5.7. It's bulletproof.

    • @ROFLWAFFLE1911
      @ROFLWAFFLE1911 2 роки тому +3

      You need a gas station just to drive the 5.7 V8.

    • @jcnunny
      @jcnunny 2 роки тому +5

      @@ROFLWAFFLE1911 Like many people now, I work from home. Maybe fill up every 6-8 weeks. Also discount on the insurance for the low driving. All good.

    • @sigm4003
      @sigm4003 2 роки тому +2

      @@jcnunny so it's good if you don't drive much? It gets like 10 mpg 😂🤣

    • @jcnunny
      @jcnunny 2 роки тому +26

      @@sigm4003 I get about 14. If I wanted a Prius I would get one. I use my truck as a truck. And I love it.

    • @christopherclark4774
      @christopherclark4774 Рік тому +2

      Just breaking it in

  • @Midwest..
    @Midwest.. Рік тому +22

    What I hate the most about new Tundra is I don't have one in my garage 😁

  • @andrewinaustintx
    @andrewinaustintx 2 роки тому +42

    It would have been fun to see what the take rate would be if Toyota also offered the option of an updated 5.7 V8 in addition to the two 3.5 turbo options.

  • @ejesoriginal
    @ejesoriginal 2 роки тому +52

    So glad I bought the V8 in 2020... Plenty of power and I average 15-16 mpg in mine.

    • @SurfAddict
      @SurfAddict 2 роки тому +4

      Love my 2020 without all the fancy bull$&*%.

    • @marks.c4753
      @marks.c4753 2 роки тому +2

      My 06 4.7 still the best engine.17 mpg in town 23 mpg on the highway.

    • @ryanm4013
      @ryanm4013 2 роки тому

      @@marks.c4753 I miss my 2014 4.7 more than anything!!

    • @Wild1995
      @Wild1995 2 роки тому

      And the engine will probably have a longer life too.

    • @timsteinkamp2245
      @timsteinkamp2245 2 роки тому

      @@ryanm4013 What did you do? Roll it?

  • @TruthSayer_3.16
    @TruthSayer_3.16 Рік тому +4

    I just bought a 23 Tundra 1794 and love it. Right now I'm getting 19.4 using the Eco mode. I drive 45 miles each way to and from work. A combination of highway driving and FM Roads around 60 mph. I haven't pulled my bass boat yet but expecting the mileage to drop 4 or 5 mpg when I do.

  • @slobitz
    @slobitz 2 роки тому +194

    My mileage gradually improved after 1000 miles. I’m currently getting 19 mpg in suburban travel and 22 on highway trips. I’m at 10,000 miles and very happy with the purchase. I just took a 1000 mile road trip and I’ve never been more comfortable on a long drive.

    • @6six9nine74
      @6six9nine74 2 роки тому +4

      Bruh. My 2004 alfa romeo 166 uses 4-5 liter/100km thats around 62mpg. Whats up with newer cars using so much fuel

    • @louismccomack9524
      @louismccomack9524 2 роки тому +39

      @@6six9nine74 because this truck weights twice as much lol

    • @6six9nine74
      @6six9nine74 2 роки тому +2

      @@louismccomack9524 My car weights 1540kg, does the tundra weights 3080kg? Thats quite a lot

    • @louismccomack9524
      @louismccomack9524 2 роки тому +12

      @@6six9nine74 yes they easily weigh that much

    • @6six9nine74
      @6six9nine74 2 роки тому +3

      @@louismccomack9524 6700 pounds?

  • @acridboomstick6511
    @acridboomstick6511 2 роки тому +8

    Scotty I just picked up a 2000 Tundra with 276k miles for $1500. The timing belt had gone out and was replaced by the owner, but he did it incorrectly.
    I aligned the timing marks on the cams and she runs like a dream. I can't imagine spending $65k on a truck at all!

  • @geoffl.3247
    @geoffl.3247 2 роки тому +170

    Now you know why so many complaints of not having a V8. We never wanted a V6 TT in a truck. Only V6 TT should be in a Tacoma and even then it's an unreliable powerplant. New meaning to the term TRD. (Turd)

    • @briangreen430
      @briangreen430 2 роки тому +30

      The auto industry doesn't make cars for its customers, it makes them for its shareholders and the Government.

    • @kevinlim2049
      @kevinlim2049 2 роки тому +6

      The engine used in the new Tundra comes from the Lexus LS500. Toyota tuned the engine for heavy used. Toyota has supplier issued which causing issued like waste gate failure.

    • @americandude3825
      @americandude3825 2 роки тому

      @@briangreen430 Toyota doesn’t get along with the us govt. they often speak out against them.

    • @SpearFisher85
      @SpearFisher85 2 роки тому +2

      It's always been Turd to me. Miss my 96 Supra 🥲

    • @legros731
      @legros731 2 роки тому +3

      @@kevinlim2049 lol a V6 is just a bad idea for a full truck ask ford lol
      You need low end torque and a turbo engine have none it only good if you never tow or use the bed =you got it to flash but nobody care

  • @claytongehrke2176
    @claytongehrke2176 2 роки тому +55

    Scotty you’re right about the city dealers . I just bought a honda navi in Conroe for 2664$ otd. No dealer in Houston would sell one for under 3k.

    • @gregb9264
      @gregb9264 2 роки тому +2

      Gullo Ford in Conroe seems to be reasonable also buckalew Chevrolet
      I live in Conroe btw

    • @caseytodd7632
      @caseytodd7632 2 роки тому +1

      I've found the same. I live in Atascocita and my family and I have been to Tomball Ford 3 times and they have always been fantastic.

    • @thugzbunny5163
      @thugzbunny5163 2 роки тому +2

      My local dealer OTD price was $3,300 for a Navi :( and they wouldn't budge at all.

    • @claytongehrke2176
      @claytongehrke2176 2 роки тому +1

      @@thugzbunny5163 when they have a waiting list for them, there’s no reason for negotiations. The farther you get from a big city, the lower the price gets.

    • @scottclute8413
      @scottclute8413 2 роки тому +2

      @@thugzbunny5163 brand new?????

  • @dape3615
    @dape3615 2 роки тому +9

    As die hard Toyota guy who drove the old 2x4 pick ups, tacos and now a 19 tundra I can’t believe how bad they missed the mark on these new tundras. I test drove one and was so disappointed

  • @warlockjunkie
    @warlockjunkie 2 роки тому +64

    The gas mileage tends to get better once out of the break-in period. This one is just under 600 miles on the clock. Once it hits about 2k+ miles you should see an improvement to upwards of 18 average. Still not 21, but still better. That said, I still wish there was a V8 option.

    • @jamesdrozdowski3579
      @jamesdrozdowski3579 2 роки тому +7

      My 3.5 EB didn’t start to get 20 mpg until past 5k. Too little miles on Scotty’s tundra to assess.

    • @flaviusfake271
      @flaviusfake271 Рік тому +2

      Still the V8 was like 13 miles

    • @ShipMonster
      @ShipMonster Рік тому +3

      I have 5k on my 23 tundra and I bounce between 20 & 21 mpg

    • @rm5282
      @rm5282 Рік тому

      ​@@ShipMonster nice

  • @Canadarago
    @Canadarago 2 роки тому +76

    I bought a 2021 Tundra in May of last year. I pulled the trigger due in part to the news that Toyota would be moving to a turbo 6 for 2022. Saw lots of videos from Scotty and others about the reliability of the 5.7 V8. Mileage: on the highway I get 18-20 mpg. In town I can get 12-14. Towing a 3400 lb. travel trailer (like pulling a sail down the road) I get 10-11 mpg with tow/haul on and the transmission in S4 per Toyota recommendations. Used to tow the trailer with a 2004 Chevy Express 1500 hi top van , which is now in retirement (only has to pull my canoe/kayak trailer). The Tundra has no problem climbing the Blue Ridge with the trailer - there seems to be plenty in reserve. I intend to keep this truck for at least 10 years, so I didn’t want to mess with the new tech, since I see Tundras and Sequoias everywhere here in NC and some of them are really old.

    • @christopherclark4774
      @christopherclark4774 2 роки тому +9

      fellow tundra owner, it has 140k miles and gets about the same mileage as you describe, we average 15. when we used to have a 8500lb camper, going on a 4 hr trip through mild mountains in the poconos, we got about 5-8 mpg

    • @pepitopepito6598
      @pepitopepito6598 2 роки тому

      Cap’n America Look closely at the truck tho, it’s lifted and has meatier tires thus reduces mpg

    • @mr.c493
      @mr.c493 2 роки тому +4

      I just came back from Canada to NJ on my 2018 sequoia and I was averaging 18 per gallon. That V8 is so smooth and the 6 speed trans shifts smooth. I’m glad I made that purchase. In about 10’years I’ll see how things are with the new sequoia then!!

    • @rontopping2048
      @rontopping2048 2 роки тому

      Wow you must have a special Toyota. My 2020 gets a max of 15 on highway. My friend has a ram 1500 with vvt engine which kicks down to 4 cylinders on highway. Gets 18 on highway.

    • @barryjoslin432
      @barryjoslin432 2 роки тому

      That’s exactly the same mileage I get with my 2018. 13-14 city, 11.5 towing a Skeeter bass boat, and 18-19.5 hwy unloaded.

  • @agentcarder
    @agentcarder 2 роки тому +64

    Can’t believe they got rid of the v8 for a turbo v6 and it gets less than 15. My 6.6 gas 2500 gets 15.3.

    • @dtna
      @dtna 2 роки тому +1

      In 2025, the EPA will require new trucks to get an average of 55 MPG. Turbos and Hybrids are the way to go. According to IHS Markit, a team of industry analysts and industry specialists, the use of turbos will increase significantly between now and 2025. So for people who insist on a V8 Tundra, now is the time to buy one with low mileage.

    • @briangreen430
      @briangreen430 2 роки тому +3

      @@dtna The EPA is going to be nerfed by the Supreme Court. 2024 will change all of that.

    • @jamessapnaro6089
      @jamessapnaro6089 2 роки тому +1

      Guys were getting 24 on the highway on UA-cam tests on this version, the non hybrid.this guy must be towing a lot.

    • @blinkguy4ever
      @blinkguy4ever 2 роки тому +1

      @@jamessapnaro6089 exsctly. I get 21 if i do 70. 24 from jersey to GA doing 65-68 mph. I get 16 when I get stupid in the city. You know what I mean. Now, I did the same trip from NJ to GA 850 miles towing a 800 pounds jetski, a 500 pounds motorcycle in the bed and lots of stuff with the family. I got 19, lol. 15 is a very bad number, he either tows very heavy stuff or have a heavy foot

    • @legros731
      @legros731 2 роки тому

      @@blinkguy4ever in denial it seem if you need to drive like grandma to get the rated mpg it a joke
      Seem your username fit you perfectly

  • @jrkbgk1111
    @jrkbgk1111 2 роки тому +1

    Also on the Taurus, check the inertia switch in the truck, quite often if you hit a hard bump or the car got jarred one way or another it'll trip the inertia switch under the (typically) passenger side wheel well carpet cover (as I said,in the trunk), I've seen it enough times for it to cross my mind when you have a no start situation. It's a little red button/circuit breaker essentially, which cuts off the fuel pump, all you have to do is push the button back down to reset it.

  • @wayne8276
    @wayne8276 2 роки тому +55

    Agree Scotty . Not crazy about no V8 in the new Tundra . Not a fan of twin turbos . I've got a 2002 Tundra . Runs fantastic . I'm 64 yrs old and hoping this will be my last vehicle ever for me. Time will tell . Thx . Keep up the great work. I learn a lot from your experiences .

    • @cwqrpportable
      @cwqrpportable Рік тому +7

      Your LAST vehicle?? Why? Good heavens man how boring. I was born in ‘56 and I plan to keep enjoying new vehicles every couple of years….

    • @stevieray1828
      @stevieray1828 Рік тому +9

      @@cwqrpportable sounds pretty ignorant to call him boring. Maybe him staying on top of and keeping his truck going good will save so much money the rest of his life will be more exciting. Also there is pride in taking care and fixing things, but we live in an instant gratification throw away society

    • @cwqrpportable
      @cwqrpportable Рік тому +1

      @@stevieray1828 Okay, I get it, you want to be part of it... I didn't call "him" boring; I called at 64 saying this is your last vehicle, boring. Next time, recognize those little nuances before you rush to open your pie hole.

    • @stevieray1828
      @stevieray1828 Рік тому +6

      @@cwqrpportable it's funny you accuse me of rushing to open my pie hole, yet it clearly seems that you needed to critique his plan for his vehicle into his retirement. It's your opinion, and that's great. In my opinion, you getting new vehicles so frequently when you are retired sounds like poor financial judgement and compensating for lack of fulfillment in other parts of your life. My opinion

    • @cwqrpportable
      @cwqrpportable Рік тому +1

      @@stevieray1828 You're right, it is funny. Funny that my opinion that buying your last vehicle at 64 is boring, somehow struck a nerve with you...... My, what thin skin you have or is it that you just want to pick a fight? I'm okay with that. Once again though, you spout with your pie hole, assuming that I'm retired. Oh boy, how rushing into assumptions makes you so vulnerable.
      I'm waiting with baited breath to hear your next gem of indignant wisdom. Please don't disappoint...........tell more

  • @Samkhaerif4960
    @Samkhaerif4960 2 роки тому +453

    Here’s what I think it needs a V8

    • @TheSuperBoyProject
      @TheSuperBoyProject 2 роки тому +46

      I think it needs a V7.

    • @oreally8605
      @oreally8605 2 роки тому +4

      💯

    • @03tarserov64
      @03tarserov64 2 роки тому +29

      Should have a upgraded v8 to increase towing capacity this tundra was such a let down

    • @theshield1613
      @theshield1613 2 роки тому +43

      Toyota ditched the v8 while Ford still uses the v8 engines

    • @janamaro5894
      @janamaro5894 2 роки тому +3

      @@TheSuperBoyProject Actually it's a V6.

  • @chuckschillingvideos
    @chuckschillingvideos 2 роки тому +5

    Small displacement 4 and 6 cylinder engines which use turbos for their torque ratings typically generate their maximum torque at far higher rev ranges than naturally aspirated engines. You have to get high in the rev range in order for the boost to be noticeable, which is why you don't notice any "grunt" at low revs.

  • @rh169
    @rh169 Рік тому +2

    I never got the estimated mpg my Camry was rated for either. Just purchased an Acura Integra Aspec manual and I’ve exceeded what it’s rated for by about 5mpg. Waiting for you to get your hands on one. It’s impressed me in every way. Beautiful car and ever drives better than it looks.

    • @ExaltedDuck
      @ExaltedDuck Рік тому

      I know mopars aren't very well-loved around here but my challenger r/t stick has been beating EPA estimates for over 10 years. Rated at 21 mpg highway, usually sees 22-23 on hour-long highway rides and not uncommonly 24-25 for longer rides. Still don't know how but I managed 27.3 on one LA-phoenix trip (tail wind, overinflated bald tires, hot evening, less-than-usual passing lane usage, basically every factor in my favor). To have gone over 360 miles and still had over 3/8 of a tank left was mind-bending. Had to re-do the math 5 or 6 times to convince myself.

  • @SlurryNoises
    @SlurryNoises Рік тому +9

    Agreed! When I bought my car I traveled 3 hours away from the city and got a decent deal a few years ago. Today, my same car still goes for more than what I paid for, here in the city.

  • @bloodtearssweat1373
    @bloodtearssweat1373 2 роки тому +47

    I love the new style of the Tundra.
    I'm just not interested in this new V6 turbo or EV version, I'd rather have the V8.

    • @Diesel_Mountain
      @Diesel_Mountain 2 роки тому +1

      Because the EV especially is a scam playing on people's emotions as they surpass all logic. None of this has to do with the environment, only sales. V8 all the way.
      If the government doesn't want us to have something it's the FIRST indicator that they have something to gain while we have everything to lose.

    • @LetsGoRangers-xn1hh
      @LetsGoRangers-xn1hh 2 роки тому +5

      I think it looks dumb too lol old tundra looked more masculine new one looks fem boyish

    • @tonyarana3847
      @tonyarana3847 Рік тому

      Agree.

  • @imstelios
    @imstelios 2 роки тому +5

    I have a 2011 Crewmax w/247k miles I just replaced the plugs like at 240k and went from 13.6 avg to 14.6 avg. I've never been impressed with the mpg but I do know my friends that drive other brands are never truthful about their mpg. I'll take the everyday reliability of the Tundra over any other half ton truck and I've owned all the others.

  • @pablodej2052
    @pablodej2052 2 роки тому +2

    Am getting 14.8 - 15.6 on my 2017 tundra 4x4 Limited edition w/ sunroof & 38 gal fuel tank. which is the heaviest model that year. I’ll be keeping it for EVER

  • @MrJrnyfan
    @MrJrnyfan Рік тому +2

    Thanks Scotty, your videos are always informative. I bought a 2023 Tundra limited. I'd be happy to share with you, my opinion once I get it.

  • @marinablueGS
    @marinablueGS 2 роки тому +19

    I get 14 MPG around town with my 2009 Laramie with 5.7 Hemi. On the road I get 20 or a little more depending on whether I'm driving in the mountains or at the coast. I'm satisfied.

    • @ubeuonly
      @ubeuonly 2 роки тому +4

      I just posted the same exact almost spec. I can get 21 on the highway at 75 miles per hour in my 2019 hemi and if I drive it with a light foot I can get 15 around town. very satisfied with that. most of my Ford buddies with their Eco puss don't even get that good economy

    • @daniel.gilliss6030
      @daniel.gilliss6030 2 роки тому

      Not bad. That's better than my 07 Silverado (16.5 Mpg)

    • @TemperTemper...
      @TemperTemper... 2 роки тому +1

      I agree with you..We took my 2017 1500 with the 5.7 hemi on a trip to Troy Montana...I measured 21.7 MPG on that trip..I couldn't believe it.

    • @Richardv24
      @Richardv24 2 роки тому

      @@ubeuonly eco puss LMAO I’m going to start saying that. I get 15 mpg around town and I’m pretty satisfied. I drive a 2013 f150 5.0 don’t need nothing else

    • @ubeuonly
      @ubeuonly 2 роки тому +1

      @@Richardv24 and everything I've ever read in every rating shows that the Eco puss gets about one mile per gallon better combined. Not worth the complexity and the sound of a Taurus

  • @PaloDuro1021
    @PaloDuro1021 Рік тому +11

    At 75K I have zero problems at throwing parts when necessary at my 2004 Titan. Still does the job just fine...

    • @rpm2dayg648
      @rpm2dayg648 Рік тому +1

      At 75K neither of my Tundras needed parts thrown at them.

    • @PaloDuro1021
      @PaloDuro1021 Рік тому +4

      @@rpm2dayg648 The 75k is referring to the price of the new Tundra. Did you actually watch the video?😂

  • @tonyd6071
    @tonyd6071 2 роки тому +1

    I bought my first new Toyota truck in 1988 I’ve had 8 new Toyota trucks since then. I have always looked forward to new models and purchasing them that desire has now gone away.

  • @thetruelefty9302
    @thetruelefty9302 Рік тому +3

    This is interesting. I live in northern NJ and own a 2015 Tundra Cruemax with 200 k miles. I get 16 - 18 mpg and when I tow my 35ft trailer loaded up at 10k lbs I get 9- 10 mpg. I have been an auto tech for 35yr and do maintenance consistently early. Now I know I will be keeping my 2015 for another 200k.

  • @itayrozenstein6989
    @itayrozenstein6989 2 роки тому +7

    I'm sorry to crush your dreams Scotty but I'm an owner of 2022 Tundra and I'm getting between 19 to 22 miles to the gallon mixed Highway and City driving and I use my truck for work I have tools on my back bad wait about 600 lb.. I average about 100 miles a day of mixed driving and this is the best truck and powertrain I've ever driven. Sometimes I get 23 to 24 miles to the gallon when I'm driving Highway at normal speed limit with cruise control

    • @gary.s7759
      @gary.s7759 2 роки тому +1

      Different factors affect gas mileage such as region, geography, type of gas mixture, air pressure/temp, rim and tire size....etc.

    • @itayrozenstein6989
      @itayrozenstein6989 2 роки тому +2

      @@gary.s7759 I’m from Las Vegas Nevada if that helps so we have some elevations here and I’m driving with AC and it’s pretty hot so the truck is putting some effort

    • @dennismartin1256
      @dennismartin1256 2 роки тому

      Idk about crushed dreams he stated what the car was getting and 14.5 was the number. Now if there was no proof I may would say different but that truck gets what he stated based on it's owners opinion of what normal driving is.

    • @gary.s7759
      @gary.s7759 2 роки тому

      @@itayrozenstein6989 yeah Vegas and surrounding areas are definitely mountainous. Atleast you get infinite mileage going down hill 😆. I rented a Highlander and drove from Vegas to L.A. I was shitting my pants going down mountain.

  • @gerardorodriguez538
    @gerardorodriguez538 2 роки тому +20

    The average mpg on my 2008 tundra 5.7l is currently 15.5 mpg. With 367000 miles

    • @craignelson8693
      @craignelson8693 2 роки тому +1

      I get 18 on the highway in Colorado, and 15-16 when I go back to the Midwest. I'm with you on the mileage.

    • @Shelly_Renee825
      @Shelly_Renee825 2 роки тому

      I get 21mpg with 2007 4runner 367k miles too😀

  • @George-on3zm
    @George-on3zm 2 роки тому +6

    Great video. But Scotty I would love for you to test and drive the hybrid engine since it’s got more horsepower and give us some feedback

  • @steventayman4109
    @steventayman4109 2 роки тому +9

    It just feels crazy to think that just 20 years ago a car got almost the same gas mileage as some trucks these days

  • @sharpshooter012345
    @sharpshooter012345 2 роки тому +104

    Him: I'm just gonna run to the store to pick up a few things..
    His family: what's taking dad so long?
    Him: drives to Scotty' house.

  • @PhilSowden
    @PhilSowden 2 роки тому +73

    I average 15 mpg in my 2018 Tundra. My secret? Factory tires and no lift. 👍

    • @brandonstclair6530
      @brandonstclair6530 2 роки тому +3

      I average 12 mpg in my 2wd 2006 Tundra

    • @charlieporch3181
      @charlieporch3181 2 роки тому +1

      I get 16 in my 2019 Tundra Pro. And that’s around town. On the highway I get 17. I drive to get mileage,at $100 a tank of gas sucks.

    • @Canadarago
      @Canadarago 2 роки тому

      Same here.

    • @purosonoracompa
      @purosonoracompa 2 роки тому

      I don't have a lift. I drive a 2015 with Falken WP. I get like 13-14 mpg average. Great trucks but the mileage is terrible.

    • @cessealbeach
      @cessealbeach 2 роки тому +1

      you must drive like an old Lady🤣

  • @brianboot8623
    @brianboot8623 Рік тому +1

    The truck only has 500 miles on it, it’s not even broke in. I got mine in December and didn’t start getting good mileage until I hit the thousand mile mark. Just got back from vacation to Clarksville, TN by way of Upper Michigan and I live in Spokane, WA. I started the trip with 19.1 MPG and finished with 19.4. That’s doing 80 mph through, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota and don’t forget the Mountain’s in Montana both ways. I had a first generation Tundra and hated the ride the ride on this new generation is awesome and there is very little road noise. My truck is a limited and it’s a 4 wheel drive and I’ve had no problems with it so far.

  • @mohammedrahman308
    @mohammedrahman308 Рік тому +1

    I am getting 16 to 17mpg on my 2007 tundra. What I figured is tire pressure, wheel size, summer tires, off-road mud tires and driving quality impact mpg. On mud/off road tires I get around 12-14mpg. On all terrain tires around 16-17mpg. On summer tires 17.5+mpg

  • @TeijoKhanfan
    @TeijoKhanfan 2 роки тому +27

    When you pay this amount of money for a truck why not do what Ford does? Give the customer the option of buying either the twin turbo or the V8. Why not make both?

    • @CRAPO2011
      @CRAPO2011 2 роки тому

      Toyota doesnt sell as nany trucks as ford

  • @dennisheadley4408
    @dennisheadley4408 2 роки тому +202

    If given the choice, I would still prefer the V8 if available. I'll bet the difference in gas mileage with the V6 narrows when pulling a load.

    • @johnnyshd8250
      @johnnyshd8250 2 роки тому +7

      My Chev Silverado 5.3 highway 20 epa

    • @amandeepbaa6978
      @amandeepbaa6978 2 роки тому +4

      Inflation make everything dreams or kick out

    • @gary.s7759
      @gary.s7759 2 роки тому +24

      How dare you compare GM crap to Toyota😆

    • @andrusaaliiy9267
      @andrusaaliiy9267 2 роки тому +22

      The v8 actually gets better gas mileage when towing

    • @andrewng9977
      @andrewng9977 2 роки тому +17

      Could be wrong, but I think Toyota mainly went to the v6 because of emissions. Same reason why the new Highlander no longer has a v6 and probably the Tacoma and 4runner are going to follow that trend too.

  • @michaelsmallwood2034
    @michaelsmallwood2034 Рік тому +1

    Scott bought mine too months ago and I love it .Hope you do to. One reason I went from Chevy to Toyota was your praise of Toyota.

  • @Tifford1
    @Tifford1 2 роки тому +10

    I think the stock ground clearance decreased over the ones with the V8s.....A big disappointment for me in the snow belt

  • @limelife7457
    @limelife7457 2 роки тому +53

    Toyota should have 2 optional engine for the buyers like Naturally Aspirated V8 or turbocharged V6. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @indycharlie
      @indycharlie 2 роки тому +2

      100 % agree !!

    • @cessealbeach
      @cessealbeach 2 роки тому +4

      Like Ford, They got the V8, and V6 Twin Turbo

    • @limelife7457
      @limelife7457 2 роки тому +2

      @@cessealbeach
      Yep, that’s why I’m sticking with Ford this time for their V8 pick up trucks for my next vehicle.👍

    • @kannermw
      @kannermw 2 роки тому

      Toyota doesn't produce enough pick -ups to justify the expense of added powertrains and EPA certifications.

    • @stevieray1828
      @stevieray1828 2 роки тому

      Toyota would rather perfect one engine than offer more options each with it's own engineering issues... That's problem with Ford, they keep "making advancements" instead of perfecting their products.

  • @rambusinek
    @rambusinek 2 роки тому +11

    Hi Scotty, hope you are doing great! Hopefully you will visit Europe soon I want to show you my 94´ Celica!

  • @TheCaneSlingerCherryflexrattan
    @TheCaneSlingerCherryflexrattan 2 роки тому +1

    Am back.Quite impressed by your channel growth.watched when you were 3m subscribers.🙏

  • @tonyo.4226
    @tonyo.4226 2 роки тому

    I have a 2019 1794 Tundra V8. When I first got it. It too was getting the same gas mileage. Now I’m getting 16 MPG city. Went to Florida was getting 20 MPG!!! Loaded with vacation stuff. Last year was towing a trailer (7,000 lbs) through the mountains of TN to east coast was getting 10-12 MPG!! Just wait until he gets more miles. He’ll definitely get better mileage!!

  • @AllAboutVehicles
    @AllAboutVehicles 2 роки тому +6

    I like my 2021 Tundra 1794 with the V8

  • @Davewdmace
    @Davewdmace 2 роки тому +27

    Keep up the great and educational work Scotty. Still drive the 2000 Tundra since new. Runs like the day I bought.

  • @EveryDayTrucker
    @EveryDayTrucker 4 місяці тому

    Hey Scotty, Scott from Dallas here. I just purchased a 2024 Tundra 4x4 TRD Sport model. I wanted to share a couple things I learned you may not be aware of.
    1. If you get an aftermarket device to plug into the OBD port, you can remove the intentional sound they “programmed” into the truck to make it sound beefier.
    2. That same device allows you to adjust where the shift points are in addition to some other things. Do you want me to tell you what I’m talking about so you can have your neighbor get one and try it out for a review?
    That would be awesome! Thanks for your honest reviews bro!

  • @pilotoblackbird433
    @pilotoblackbird433 2 роки тому

    SHOUTOUT CONROE! Miss you Scotty! My girlfriend and I just bought a brand new 2022 Nissan Versa SR for 26.5k from Keating Nissan. The car had 7 miles when we drove off. Felt good being 21 with a new cute little car. 40 miles to the gallon too

  • @Johnny53kgb-nsa
    @Johnny53kgb-nsa 2 роки тому +53

    I would like to see updates on this Toyota truck to see how it holds up. It's a nice looking truck.

    • @cwqrpportable
      @cwqrpportable Рік тому +2

      It’s fugly

    • @rm5282
      @rm5282 Рік тому

      ​@@cwqrpportable it grows on you.just like the second generation Tundra. It is different. The vehicle has the same basic frown look as the Chevy and GMC.

  • @mmardell9262
    @mmardell9262 2 роки тому +3

    Holy cow! My old 2005 5.4 ford gets 14 mpg and that's when I'm not even trying. If I work at it I can get about 17.

  • @brett7581
    @brett7581 2 роки тому +2

    Idk what normal driving is for those with the V8 but i get about 16.5 mpg in my 2007 5.7 and definitely dont baby it. Also my 2007 crewmax the rear window does the same thing. It was a great selling point.

  • @coolhawk2003
    @coolhawk2003 Рік тому

    That back window in great . When you use it , game changer . I live in windy city so I love some air

  • @SavageBunny1
    @SavageBunny1 2 роки тому +15

    I had a 08 tundra, brand new, it was a 5.7, tow package 4.30 gears, I would average around 17MPG, with about 80% highway, It was literally the most fuel efficient V8 I've ever had.

    • @detroitmichigan3159
      @detroitmichigan3159 2 роки тому

      You made a dumb statement

    • @chrisbetts4402
      @chrisbetts4402 Рік тому +2

      My 2018 is also around 17 mpg . Driving pretty conservative.

    • @jibrilthegreat35
      @jibrilthegreat35 Рік тому

      Toyota owners baby their “trucks”.
      Most dont use them they way trucks are meant to be used, then they brag about how pong they last. Lol

  • @JoshSmith-wo7zw
    @JoshSmith-wo7zw 2 роки тому +24

    Backup cameras are required by The NTSB now. I think they passed the law in 2018. So you'll notice every 2019 to current model year will have a Backup camera regardless of the make or model. The main reason they did it was to reduce the amount of small children being run over because you can't see them. It's a law now. They have to include one.

  • @robertfortner5782
    @robertfortner5782 2 роки тому +2

    I’m loving my 2022 Tundra Limited. It tows way better than my ‘17 and ‘21 Tundras and they did well, too. This new ones just a beast!

    • @robertfortner5782
      @robertfortner5782 2 роки тому +1

      @@GoogleDoesEvil no I wouldn’t. I work on them, if it isn’t making me money, it’s pointless to have. IMO.

  • @mikemilburn2238
    @mikemilburn2238 2 роки тому +1

    Toyota just gave us a 2022 Tacoma SR5 V6 because there's a recall on the 2012 for the secondary air injection valve.
    I said the parts are on back order it could take anywhere from 3 months to 6 months.
    The 2022 is a very pretty truck four-wheel drive sweet looking ride

  • @tundras4ever552
    @tundras4ever552 2 роки тому +5

    My v8 2021 tundra can consistently get 18-20 hwy and 16 city so there is absolutely no reason to upgrade to the new tundra. I have to say the interior is super nice on that 22 compared to my 21 and also rides a lot smoother. But it’s also much more expensive

  • @ItsAWhiteMan
    @ItsAWhiteMan 2 роки тому +16

    Scotty I'm a mechanic at a Toyota dealer in Northern Ohio and finally received my 2022 Corolla Hatchback. I LOVE THIS THING, 100% made in Japan and I'm getting between 38-40 mpg going between 65 - 77 mph on the highway. It is my daily driver to work and I'm in love with it. The price was great i got below sticking being an employee our dealer knocks off a little, best of all I was able to finance through Toyota for 2.85% interest for my loan (buying).

    • @dyingangelo
      @dyingangelo 2 роки тому +1

      Wait! The hatch is made in japan??

    • @ItsAWhiteMan
      @ItsAWhiteMan 2 роки тому +1

      @@dyingangelo yes 100% japan, vin begins with J, no north American assembly

  • @drewsky1008
    @drewsky1008 Рік тому

    I love his videos great knowledge and very educational specially with today's new trucks and cars thank's Scotty

  • @JohnRendNYC
    @JohnRendNYC 2 роки тому +1

    I definetly wanna keep tabs on this truck. Interested to see if I should go Toyota Tundra for my next vehicle

  • @TwoPair72
    @TwoPair72 2 роки тому +5

    Don’t really need a truck, but I do wish the 5.7 was available. Bump the hp up some to match Ram and Ford. Workout the interior quality. electronic and lighting issues and you’ll have a great truck.

    • @robertjebediahfreeman
      @robertjebediahfreeman 2 роки тому

      Imagine if Toyota turboed the 5.7 to compete with the trx and raptor 🥹😍🥰

  • @johndiaz4663
    @johndiaz4663 2 роки тому +9

    I won’t look at the gas mileage because it’s brand new and it’s still learning how the driver drives so it might go up to about 18 mpg

    • @Triangle27.
      @Triangle27. 2 роки тому

      Right! It had less than 600 miles. The guy is probably still on the first gas tank

  • @vflrockytop
    @vflrockytop Рік тому

    Scotty, I just can't let my v8 go. I bought my 2018 tundra new in November 2017. It has 50,000 miles on it now. The new smell is gone but it's still new to me. My 5.7 pulls my 32 ft travel trailer with zero issues at 9.0 mpg

  • @l-Arm.of.God-l
    @l-Arm.of.God-l Рік тому +1

    In order to get the full performance hold the traction button in for 3 seconds, 2 orange lights come on, the sport mode and if you are looking for 0-60 turn on 4H.
    I was getting like 5.5 seconds to 60

  • @KeithRader
    @KeithRader 2 роки тому +12

    I own a 22 Tundra Limited CrewMax/Off-Road with a 5.5ft bed. This guy must drive like a mad man. I’ve never gotten worse than 16 combined - I’m usually around 18. On long trips I’ve gotten 26mpg when I was really trying, but it’s usually around 22.5. This guy must have a heavy foot and never take it out of sport mode.

    • @elic.2443
      @elic.2443 2 роки тому

      It's a brand new truck He's probably been running quarter miles 🤣

    • @dok2304
      @dok2304 2 роки тому

      He’s pulling that taco trailer … go figured

  • @kennethcargill3512
    @kennethcargill3512 Рік тому +3

    The owner must have a lead foot. For the last five years I've been getting 15-17 mpg in my 2016 and 2018 Tundras. When towing 7-10k pounds that goes down to eight. To get ten mpg without towing you have to be either punching it, sitting in traffic a lot, or sitting in the car with the engine running while parked,.

  • @melb8843
    @melb8843 2 роки тому

    I was exited for the new Tundra so much I bought a 2022 Limited 4R. V6 na no more. Sad.
    I absolutely love my 4R. Never had one; had 4 Tacoma’s and 1 tundra since 1994-5.
    You are loved, Scotty. Mel.

  • @cjm5161
    @cjm5161 2 роки тому +2

    Scotty, my 2011 tundra 5.7 gets 15.3 average and I don't tow. I drive half highway and half city so I honestly dont think the miles per gallon is much different. It's sad they got rid of the v8

  • @keith_7244
    @keith_7244 2 роки тому +3

    Interesting. I have a 2020 Tundra with the V8 and I average 15 MPG in the city. Even not driving conservatively I’ve never dropped below 12 MPG unless I was towing a heavily loaded trailer.

    • @lukegeorge8404
      @lukegeorge8404 Рік тому

      Me too … I bought mine in Oct-2020 as new and get 15 mpg easy. I only have 7,000 miles on it as we switched to work from home.

  • @sassed12many
    @sassed12many 2 роки тому +80

    Scotty quote of the day: "If you wanna drive like a maniac, shift it manually"

  • @johnelliott9415
    @johnelliott9415 2 роки тому +2

    Hi Scotty
    Looks really good but hear in the UK I’ve not seen the Toyota Tunda as only see the Toyota Hilux Invincible 2.4 36 mpg 3 lit 40 mpg as I’m looking out for one so was wondering what’s the difference between the two any ideas other than size?

  • @kingdysfunction7609
    @kingdysfunction7609 2 роки тому

    I have a 2001 tundra with over 250000 miles, it has been in a pretty bad accident, so it is prior salvaged. I use it to tow fishing boats and lawn supplies. Sometimes on occasion to move people. It is my dream truck and wish I had the money to restore it. I digress my point being that Toyota makes amazing v8 engines.

  • @kona6451
    @kona6451 Рік тому +11

    Think I'll hold onto my 2013 F150 5.0 a while longer.

  • @elithepitbulldog2209
    @elithepitbulldog2209 2 роки тому +20

    “Gear hunting” yeah, too many moving parts for me. I’ll just keep my 14 year old f150 5.4 with 250,000 miles on it. Engine still runs smooth as silk and gets 18.9 mpg
    If it breaks, there’s plenty of parts available. If the new Tundra breaks…..good luck..
    The secret to getting longevity out of your truck is to use pure synthetic, and change it every 4,000 to 5,000 miles. And keep your foot out of it.
    I think the front end on the new tundra is fugly

    • @gregb9264
      @gregb9264 2 роки тому +3

      Did original transmission go out tho?

    • @XTRABIG
      @XTRABIG 2 роки тому +1

      Yeah rusty grill isn't veto attractive for such a big truck

    • @legros731
      @legros731 2 роки тому +1

      So you get like 4 mpg more with a 15year old v8 poor Toyota v6 owner lol

  • @erikholzer4995
    @erikholzer4995 4 місяці тому

    Traded my 2006 double cab in with 150,000 miles. Bought it new. Well taken care of. Got the 21 crew max for fear of the V8 discontinued. Love it. The 06 never saw a car lot. Someone swooped it up the next day. No buyers remorse, is trade in remorse a thing? Should have just kept it also. Hope they take care of it

  • @alibaroud7457
    @alibaroud7457 Рік тому

    Thank you for this clip! It is informative.

  • @saiーツ
    @saiーツ 2 роки тому +35

    Knowing toyota, those turbos will outlast almost all of the competition while still maintaining similar power of the V8

    • @dudster_
      @dudster_ 2 роки тому +21

      they will never outlast a V8

    • @wichaelmeston1492
      @wichaelmeston1492 2 роки тому +4

      This guy should of gotten a diesel

    • @lordtark6736
      @lordtark6736 2 роки тому +12

      Not true if you do some digging they're disasters. People are too proud to admit that Toyota is messing up big time lately. I own a Toyota.

    • @cspruitt3190
      @cspruitt3190 2 роки тому +3

      @@wichaelmeston1492 should've.

    • @TexasNativee
      @TexasNativee 2 роки тому +1

      It’s got more power than the V8.

  • @jmabs5096
    @jmabs5096 2 роки тому +3

    4:45 I wish my 2020 corolla had a center console that size, I can barely fit a snack sized candy bar 😂

  • @dextermay4007
    @dextermay4007 2 роки тому +1

    I’m laughing at today’s mileage numbers. My ‘56’ 210 Chevy with standard three on the tree straight 6 cylinder consistently got 21-24 mpg. Regular ethanol free gasoline cost 25 cents / gal. We now pay more in taxes per gallon….that’s progress?

  • @lvsqcsl
    @lvsqcsl Рік тому +2

    IIRC the V-8 wasn't always available in the early Tundras. I think there was a meeting between the dealers and Toyota at one time. Toyota North America asked corporate if they planned a V-8. When they responded "No" North America said, "Then you may as well go home."

    • @m.f.m.67
      @m.f.m.67 Рік тому

      True. And they need to tell them that again.

  • @VroodenTheGreat
    @VroodenTheGreat 2 роки тому +5

    I have a 2020 Sequoia with the 5.7, and I get about 13 in town. If I take it out on the interstate and set the cruise control to 80, I get about 20 - 21 MPG. I'm glad I got the 5.7, it will be worth a lot of money for a long time.

  • @johnnyshd8250
    @johnnyshd8250 2 роки тому +47

    Updated V-8 with a ten speed auto would have been alot more appealing to the gear heads like me.

    • @Dranreb865
      @Dranreb865 2 роки тому +2

      If you're a grear head, 3 speed should be plenty enough

    • @johnnyshd8250
      @johnnyshd8250 2 роки тому +2

      @@Dranreb865 nah

    • @americandude3825
      @americandude3825 2 роки тому

      Yup!

    • @VideoArchiveGuy
      @VideoArchiveGuy 2 роки тому

      Its all about MPG ratings and Toyota's need to keep it up.

    • @TheBjjones
      @TheBjjones Рік тому +1

      @@VideoArchiveGuy
      Maybe if Toyota had invested in EV's like the other major vehicle brands, Toyota wouldn't be in the mess they are currently.

  • @cristianrobles8658
    @cristianrobles8658 2 роки тому

    I have a 2001 GMC Sierra and it takes a couple cranks before it starts if I let it sit for an hour or so but in the morning it starts right away. I have new fuel lines, pump, filter, regulator, spark plugs, starter and injectors but still has a small starting problem

  • @m.f.m.67
    @m.f.m.67 Рік тому +6

    Lots of other things Toyota got wrong with the new Tundra: Larger turning radius than the previous generation (that stops me right there) smaller fuel tank than the previous generation, and I think, at least in the double cab, you lose 1.5 inches of leg room front and rear over the previous generation. Doesn't sound like much, but you'll notice it.

    • @rm5282
      @rm5282 Рік тому

      My 2023 and 2015 have close to the same turning radius. The truck is 4 inches longer and there isn't much difference in the wheelbase.

    • @michaelehlers4439
      @michaelehlers4439 Рік тому

      Scotty can you put a 5.7 v8 in one of the new Gen trucks with the new transmission

    • @kennethrobinson1672
      @kennethrobinson1672 Рік тому +1

      ​@@rm5282which one is longer the 15 or 23 ? Thanks

    • @rm5282
      @rm5282 Рік тому +1

      @@kennethrobinson1672 the 23 is longer by 4 inches.

  • @franktags136
    @franktags136 2 роки тому +8

    597 miles with an average of 14 MPG only to get up to 21 MPG ? Maybe it’s spent time at idle but definitely believe the MPG savings is not enough or really any better than a V8.
    We the Consumer are stuck paying the V8 price for a 6 Cylinder vehicle. Once again we are getting ripped off.

    • @gregb9264
      @gregb9264 2 роки тому +1

      I have a customer with a 2021 F150 5.0L V8 averaging 20 mpg

  • @donaldbraugh2314
    @donaldbraugh2314 2 роки тому

    Scott we were regular frequented of the Conroe dealership. Bought an extended cab Chevy Silverado and Mustang GT 4.6 . Saved money

  • @Packerfan-qc6cs
    @Packerfan-qc6cs Рік тому

    Scotty great review, would love to see what you think of the titan.

  • @PerfectoM
    @PerfectoM 2 роки тому +3

    I am not a fan that they put the V6 with turbos in there. They should have left the V8 in there. 🛻🛻🛻🛻

  • @blinkybill2198
    @blinkybill2198 2 роки тому +4

    Scotty what do you think of a V8 hybrid? Got the full power of the V8 when you need it and hybrid reducing fuel consumption when driving normal.

    • @lcue4263
      @lcue4263 2 роки тому

      It's not a very it's a v6 twin turbo hybrid engine.

  • @thejosh0100
    @thejosh0100 2 роки тому +6

    Would love to see one with some heavier turbo noise

  • @tophernuttle420
    @tophernuttle420 2 роки тому

    Also,you can hear fuel pumps kick on if You are quite while slowly turning the ignition...No low mechanical whirring sound means it's shot...

  • @dazmac159
    @dazmac159 2 роки тому

    Crank no start on my 96 Tauri was stripped wire on crank sensor.
    Wrapped it with rubber tape, job Done!🤙🏄‍♂️

  • @kmkcorner
    @kmkcorner Рік тому +4

    Scotty, did you floor it during the break in period?

  • @Persian_Beast
    @Persian_Beast 2 роки тому +37

    Making my day as always! You rock Scotty!!

  • @sith5416
    @sith5416 2 роки тому +1

    Great review Scotty. I have an 2008 Tundra with no issues. I was looking at this truck as a replacement. The owner must be from Laos or Thailand based on the sticky rice in the bed.

    • @martinmaddox5315
      @martinmaddox5315 Рік тому

      Keep your 2008 if you have less than 300 thousand miles on it.

  • @NJDAVE
    @NJDAVE Місяць тому

    The “feel” you are taking about with torque is because of the supper aggressive gearing of the outgoing 6 speed. The 4.30 rear end is super snappy. I had two of them…😊

  • @thefordshopyard5348
    @thefordshopyard5348 2 роки тому +4

    I'm happy with my 2001 F-150 With over 400k all original and has a sliding back glass that won't ever break unlike the garbage that Toyota throw out