He placed both cameras at the same spot and then shot each with a motorized slider with the same speed and angle. This makes it very easy to have seamless transition between shots since every thing is matching but the cameras !!
4K is plenty. It gives smaller files, easier on the computer, and it's more than enough for me. If they come out with a 4K pro I might go with that because built in nd filters and all that good stuff would be super handy
yeas but if already 50%+ people using 4k monitors, how then? People who will watch your result will see that loosing of quality in that case, big loosing@@hello-lb3vf
Your a life saver, I was about to buy the 6K but I settled with the 4K because you pin pointed everything I needed to know about the two cameras thank you!
I have the savings and the time to start with these, but lost my Job because of Covid19 Crisis (Why I have the time) but dont think it is the smartest to go spend it on these until I find a new job, but then I will have far less time to film...
Thats exactly why I bought the OG. You can get second hand for around $500, it has some flaws and it only records 1080p but the color science is just beautiful.
The color issue... I believe that the flat “yellow” look to the 4K is due largely to the speed booster. I’m not saying they are identical without the speed booster but WAY closer. At least the stuff I’ve gotten a chance to see that used both(friends projects) a skin tone test on the 4K with and without speedbooster would be awesome
Best comparison I've seen so far. I love that you talked calmly which makes the presentation clearer. One of the things I hate most about "content creators" is that they are super-hyped. I swear, I feel tired just by listening to them talk.
@@julianburrus9956 It's workable except for extreme close-up shots where you still need to capture sound. Also, my first copy had a defective fan. I sent it back to the retailer and they sent me a new camera. I don't see it as a complete deal-breaker, I just prefer cameras that shut down their fans while recording. Many of the bigger cinema cameras do this now - shut off or slow down the fan substantially while recording.
@@julianburrus9956 I have the 6K and I'm an audio guy at heart. In an average silent-but-untreated room, you need to be inches away to hear the fan (with an ear or a microphone). I could only imagine it being audible in a dead silent treated studio where you're recording macro video with the mic on the camera. Even then, it's a very consistent low frequency and would be easy to filter in post. I worried about the fan noise too, until I actually got it in hand. The fan noise in the video is *severely* boosted, it makes it sound like a vacuum cleaner. In reality it's essentially silent and nowhere near such a high pitch.
How’s it going Curtis? Yeah my main concern would be the fan noise coming from the camera when you’re doing close ups from even an external recorder. Are the fans on the 6K intermittent or are they constantly audible? Thanks
Just wanted to stop by and day that your courses are freaking amazing. I purchased the GH5 and the BMPCC courses and they're so easy to follow. You do an amazing job at explaining everything.
speedboasters on the micro 4/3 camera are meant to mount a larger lens then than the 4/3 lenses? is not only the crop factor that change right, but also that you can no longer use the 4/3 micro lenses anymore connected to the camera if one use a speed boater that got EF mount for larger lenses?? or?
Always great coverage. Love the sponsorship. You have a bazillion awesome camera courses over at your academy which is awesome. I know you put a lot of time into these, so they’re a super bargain. 👍
@@markr041 Viltrox EF-M2 is a sharper speedbooster than Metabones for $150. It's interesting that they compete so well considering the massive price difference. So you're wrong on that one.
This video is so informative and so professionally done. I can imagine how impressive your guides are. You are surely one of the best people doing such videos on UA-cam.
I've been contemplating this camera for my primary video camera. The mirrorless world is too many and too frustrating. Plus it has HW style features.. thanks a lot. I'm convinced
@@lprzytula haven't regretted it at all! Shooting Blackmagic RAW dosent take up nearly as much space as I thought. I've even been able to shoot 12:1 raw to a pretty inexpensive SD card. Get a external battery and Rock on!
I see all these people talking about the HUGE difference between the metabones and the Viltrox. And it simply doesn't exist. Yeah, blow it up 600% to spot the minuscule difference. That's not real world. As if anybody here is shooting the next Transformers or Avengers. Stop with the pixel peeping, and shoot a film. I mean seriously, is anybody here actually making movies, or are they all just gearheads?
That's interesting. The 4K camera has a Micro Four Thirds sensor just like the regular 1080p BMPCC, and I bought a Metabones Speed Booster 0.58x for that camera about two and a half years ago, so... unless Metabones stopped making that type of speed booster, there are at least three in total: x71, x64 and x58 (which is the fastest).
There's already a full frame speedbooster for the 6K on the market - LucAdapters magicbooster - also adds a better IR Cut Filter and will have clip ND filters in the future. This makes shooting in 5.7K kind of attractive, because the field of view will still be wide, you can shoot 60fps, record in 3:1 and have a better rolling shutter time.
@@TrentsMullet Afaik there is still no card on the market that can shoot 3:1 Raw on 6k with 50fps. However, you can shoot 3:1 and 60 fps on 5.7k with a Samsung T5 (although the data rate shouldn’t be substantially lower, but it seems to be enough). So higher frame rate, better compression rate. When your finished product will be 4k, which it will be in most cases, then 5.7k is still good enough for getting crispy oversampled 4k or doing crop-ins and I bet you won’t be able to tell a difference, if I upscaled to 6k. Also the rolling shutter is reduced from 19,8ms to 16,3 ms and by that pretty much on par with the BMPCC 4k. So what’s there not to like? Maybe that the crop factor increases from 1.558 to 1.692. Well, put the magicbooster behind the lens and you are on 1.2 and gain 1 stop of light.
I have a LucAdapters "magic booster" (0.71x focal reducer) for my Pocket 6K. Absolutely love using it with my set of Zeiss ZE primes, and I can unscrew the focal reducer glass by hand whenever I want. By the way, if anyone wants one, Luca is very responsive on Facebook (just search LucAdapters). And I agree, shooting 5.7K is the way to go as it's such a nominal FOV loss with much better rolling shutter.
@@Visethelegend Time it takes to sequentially read out every horizontal line of the sensor. The longer it takes, the more pronounced are effects like wobble, skew or spatial aliasing.
The 4K fan might be quieter, but it might also be ineffective. A friend took a BMPCC 4K out to the California desert to shoot a narrative film (i.e., actors and sound) and it shut down in the heat. I'm working on a film now using a BMPCC 6K and it is having no trouble shooting in the Los Angles summer. Caveat.
My Panasonic Gh5 2 doesn't overheat, neither does the GH6. And i dont need no stinking speed booster. There's no crop on these cameras in ANY mode, so the hell with Black magic cameras.
at 2:37 the story begins always great reviews ( thanks for the no music background) just the review I appreciate all the hard work you do to produce these
Thank you SO much my dude. I've been slappin' my brain wrinkles pretty hard over which of these cats to own. You really solved it with this video's excellent clarity and comparison. I have now a new 4k comin' my way, and my work is gonna be silky.
Waiting for your BM6kPro review/video. And when it's out I am ready one click away for the guide. I checked it and you are updating the guide covering 6k Pro. Bought your guide from a6500, switched to GH5, and now 6k Pro. Thanks for the learning, knowledge, and content. Helps me to improve my business and upskill.
Thank you for the objective and educational video. I use both and I think they are two excellent cameras, with the differences described and either one allows you to achieve excellent results. Neither better nor worse, just different.
You can buy a "Magic Booster" for the 6k. This reduces it to 1.1x crop. This sits between the sensor and the mount. It also acts as a very light promised filter making it more cinematic.
Caleb you simply make the best bloody reviews in the world....sure i watch phillip bloom, Tom Antos, gerald undone (genius but too intense!) and others.....but you are in my mind the leader in your field.....beautiful rich colours....presented so well to understand....comparisons.....in my mind you are the guru of reviews....i shall always be hugely grateful to your time and edits.....just brilliant mate......you are always the first person i turn to for the latest info.....and im so grateful for your knowledge.....thanks matey from the other side of the pond.....your work is brilliant ......always practical and brilliant.
Great video, Caleb. I just bought the BMPCC6k a couple of months ago and have barely scratched the surface of what this camera can do. Watching this video helped to assure me that I made a good purchase, but I just need to invest time into learning this BEAST! Haha. I'll check out some of your other content and your Academy to keep educating myself. Thanks for all you do for the video-shooter community!!
Love this channel Caleb - quick question - the blacks on the 4K side of the 4K/6K comparison seemed very raised... is the dynamic range different on the cameras? And if you DIDN'T apply the same LUT and GRADE but optimized for the 4K - does that smokiness go away? Or is the image really just that much muddier even with a speed booster?
the 4k combination is really good thats why I went that route but the main problem is you lose lens/glass characteristics specially if you use a high quality cine lenses.
There is a speed booster for the 6K is like the ursa mini one, just lens but you need to screw it in the mount to keep the distance between the sensor and the lens mount
Is BRAW really soft or my camera is just bad? Your shot of the 800x zoom shows just like I see it. In my canon 90d a 10x zoom looks like what you showed in the 6k.
Great video, are you going to be doing a guide or comparison video on the Panasonic S1H v S1 now that it's available on the market and not in pre-production?
Now this was a video that was straight to the point. I have the 6K already but I'm seriously considering getting the 4K with a Speed Booster as well. Just because of the price, like you said. "I can't go wrong with that." Thanks for the video. 😁
I'm happy with my 6k and bought it at regular price. To solve the battery issue, I use a dual NPF battery plate with a dummy LPE6 to have continuous power on long shoots. I only got 10-15min on the included LPE6 battery. Lol The 6k is super helpful for faking slider shots in post without losing quality. I also got a full license of Davinci Resolve with my purchase. Never having to pay subscription fees to use software was another big selling point for me.
@@ANewThingLondon You get a free code when you buy a Blackmagic camera. I actually ended up trading in my bmpcc 6k for an S1h because I had to send it in three times for a power control board issue. The image quality of the bmpcc 6k was better, but I got tired of hauling batteries and the lack of image stabilization made handheld shots too shaky (even with IS lenses).
As a complete novice to cinematography/videography.....I fell in love with the 4K. Strangely enough it makes an ambient noise when I turn it on and it's captured in all my videos. Other than that, I love the camera. Thank you for the video it answers a lot of questions between the two cameras.
Yes it does, to counter that I would get a Zoom H1, H2, H4n, H5 or H6, from the smallest which is easily held in your palm to the biggest H6 which can still be handheld, or a Tascam or a Sony field recorder. Then bring in the good quality sound in post. It's an extra step, and annoying, I know, but that consistency of doing that will build a good habit of always relying on top notch sound for your footage, and rarely using the onboard camera recording unless of course you're recording kids running around, making noise and that will actually cover that annoying camera sound. Most of the time, I prefer using an external mic, it makes a vast difference in sound quality and stereo field.
@@kmal16 I can't say thank you enough for this response. I have been using the H1 and I couldn't be more happy. I was under the impression something was wrong with my camera. Thank you a million times over.
@@KingCladCrowe You're so welcome. Awesome of you to have the H1. It records beautifully and it's small, pocket size and super easy, and it delivers good quality audio. I guess these cameras have fans, so of course there's bound to be some noise there. I'm sure though that some of the BMPCC4K's might not have that noise issues, but mine does. The only time I'll happily record straight from camera is if I'm in a noisy atmosphere, and believe it or not, with some good EQ knowledge and a Compressor you can get the camera audio to sound closer to the H1. Anyways, cheers and enjoy the Blackmagic. I absolutely love mine.
Hi , thank you for your great videos!!! If I just start in filmmaking do you recommend the BM 6K or something more like Sony A7iii? Is it really difficult to pull the manual focus or it is just a matter of a bit of practice??? Thanks!!!
You can get the practice by using a film city follow focus gear. If you are doing filmmaking it will probably come down to how you choose your shots. For example I always put it on a tripod. And handheld will be as less as possible. So I hope you get the gist. If you are not bothered with the learning of filmmaking as a cinematographer I would suggest bmpcc. So boils down to comfort
If you live in USA, than Pocket 4K is cheaper version. But if you live somewhere in Asia, as i do. Pocket 4K is 1700$ + Metabones for Bmpcc4k is 900$ (including delivery and taxes). So in total it's 2600$. But i love it so much! Worth every cent that i invested.
As a user of the Pocket 4K for more then half a year: Please don't underestimate the file size, especially in RAW. Don't buy any of these camera's if it's your complete savings account. You really need a more expensive SD card for RAW (At least lexar 1667x, tested on 12:1 60fps 4kDCI) and a lot of (possible expensive) storage if you're going to be shooting on these. And don't forget you probably want a rig, extra batteries, several cards as backup, maybe even a gimbal like ronin-s or zhiyun, a special baseplate for the ronin-s or a cage for the zhiyun crane etc etc etc. The total towards shooting what you want is probably going to cost a lot more then you think. Make sure you have more savings to use and/or income.
I use prores a lot, but rarely zoom in 800% so I guess I'd go for the 4k rather than spending almost double for the 6k and most people would not be any the wiser
I'm looking to purchase the 4K now - though I see it's about 3 years old. Any reason to hold off until a 4K Pro is released or maybe some updated version?
Why not have the 4k AND 6K? The 4k for run and gun type scenarios with smaller mft lenses (combined with IS) and the 6k rigged out with EF lenses for commercials / corporate / docu or shortfilms? And then you still have 2 Blackmagic camera's that can you match perfectly in post.
@@luz3793 You need either an ef mount to m4/3 or if you want to reduce the crop factor then you get a speed booster, there are different ones depending on what amount of crop factor you want. "18-35mm on the BMPCC 4K will apply a 1.9x crop. Giving us 34-66mm. The Metabones Speedbooster will give us a .71x crop, bring our final output to 24-47mm."
I agree with all you say. In opinion, the only reason I would go for the 6k version is to be more flexible when it comes to using vintage lenses (except the Canon FD and Leica R glasses): we all know that lenses are an important factor in filmmaking and if you want to go for lenses for which a quality Speedbooster is not available (for example, Pentax Takumar series) and to have a decent wide-angle glass, the BMPCK 6K is the right choice and I'm very surprised that Metabones in not thinking about a speed booster for M42 lenses.
Just as with my GH4, if I needed to shoot a 1080p video, I would shoot in 4K and down rez it to 1080p and get a better looking video than if I had shot it in native 1080p. So it seems that the same is true if you shoot in 6K and then down rez it to 4K, you'll get a better looking 4K video than you would have if you had shot it in 4K.
You mentioned that the 4k can use adapters. But, can't the EF mount on the 6k use adapters? There are a lot of EF adapters out there for other cameras.
2024. Maybe with the pod mod kit? And is there a evf for lcd? I shoot sometimes bright daylight... I'm considering bmpcc4k used to be able to have braw internal. Instead of fx30 and requiring external monitor and more heavy files and conversion process... But portability... Hmm.. Which one to choose...
Just the video i was looking for very informative. I just have one question about whether having a speed booster on the BMPCC4K affects the image quality and sharpness. I'm considering between the 4k and 6k because they are basically the same price once the 4K is paired with a Metabones adapter. My only concern is about the sharpness on the BMPCC4K after having a speed booster on as there an extra glass element in front of the sensor. I was considering the Viltrox adapter. Would really appreciate the advice as you have experienced using both cameras. Thank you
Hello there, the Viltrox adapter is very good, almost on par with the Metabones, up close some differences can be noticed, but that's only after a side by side comparison. Other than that I feel my footage with the 18-35 Sigma (Nikon mount) combined with the Viltrox on the 4k has been more than impressive. To get good results I would highly recommend knowing how to expose properly using the false color, this will ensure top quality for your 4k footage. You will have more detail in the shadows and in the highlights. I try to keep my shadows just above the blue, and avoid if I can the dark magenta, unless I don't care about those shadowy parts. Also, for the highlights, I discovered a good trick, I'm not sure if this is consistent across all footage in RAW, but I recently discovered when importing your footage in D. Resolve, within the RAW panel in the Color Tab, don't just click on the Highlight Recovery that won't be enough to recover some highlights, actually use the Exposure slider and bring it down to about .50 to 2.5 (even 3 in some cases) stops down, you'll be impressed at this, then bring back up your exposure in the Gamma wheel inside the Primaries only, you won't need to use the Global Offset in the HDR wheels, just using the Gamma in the Primaries then a bit of Lift and a bit of the Gain will now help you to almost fully recover those highlights. You can also use a bit of Curves but keep it to small gestures, if not you'll risk blowing up your midtones very quickly. Main impressive feature for this to work is the Gamma wheel. Then a bit of the other primary wheels, and a bit of the Offset wheel and then a hair touch of the Curves and also for micro shadow adjustments go to the Log Wheels, and bring the Shadows a hair bit down. All of this will ensure an incredible footage all around. But please make sure to use False Color on the 4k camera, that is key to all of this. Sorry, this has been way more info than you asked but to come back to your concern, yes, the Viltrox works beautifully (so long as it isn't for autofocus which I don't think it would be good for that). The Metabones is far too expensive for what it delivers compared to the Viltrox which easily competes on all levels with the Metabones. There's been online comparisons which almost convinced me to get the Metabones, until I went out and shot with the Viltrox, then I was convinced it would be a waste of my $$. But all in all, 6k or 4k, I think both will deliver amazing footage. But I will say I notice where the 6k rules, and undeniably I wouldn't hesitate I if I could afford it. The other side of the 6K, is I think you cannot shoot in 4k, I don't know if that was resolved in an update, but it was a big complaint from the PK cinema community, then media storage and recording, you're spending a lot more than the 4k. Is it worth it, yes if your budget can handle buying bigger CF cards and and 2TB ssd's (Sandisk extreme and extreme pro). Also keep in mind, on the 6k because of its global shutter issues, I would use it as a stable camera, with little to no fast side to side movements. So again, would I choose the 6k over the 4k, my answer would be yes, because I'm in love with how the 6k translates skin tones, shadows and color. The 4k comes super close to the 6k, but that extra edge makes the 6k a winner for me. But in post, you can easily rip and tear a well graded 6k footage with a 4k footage if you know what you're doing and everything on camera was well shot. Hands down. Thank you for bearing with this essay on my views concerning the 6k and the 4k.
Hey! Could someone help me? I'm pretty new with filming. Now that the 6k is 2000 bucks, would it be the better buy than the 4k with a metabone speed booster, which would be roughly the same? My taste: I like organic cinematic feel, vintage lenses and would also like to do music videos. Thank you!
I've used the 6k before, and while it does get great resolution and picture quality, from my point of view it's not worth it based on all of its cons. If you're more into vintage lenses and cinema, based on this video you're going to be able to get more variety of lens choices with the 4k. The thing I love most about the 6k is its color grading (I can't speak for the 4k since I haven't used it yet). However I absolutely HATE the battery life. You either need the powerbase edge which gives you about 3 hrs. of recording time, or you have to have A/C. Another problem I've run into with the 6k is that unless you significantly downgrade the picture quality, the file sizes are MASSIVE. I shot 5 minutes of footage and it was a 115gb file. That's insane. To be able to complete my project, I had to put the settings on ProRes LT to make the file sizes manageable, and that was about 1gb per minute of footage. With either camera you'll need to invest in a good size external hard drive. Some people really like using higher res cameras and downgrading the footage like he talked about, however the reality is that if you're not actually planning on editing and showing the footage in 6k, it's kind of a waste of money. Technology is just now catching up to be able to handle 4k. And like I said, if you want that vintage cinema feel, I think the lens choices you will have with the 4k cam will give you that ability. That's just my opinion.
@@sydneyjohnson1336 hey man, very good reply, I want to get the 4k now instead of 6k but what lens are the best for 4k? Most lens I seen are all canon mount ones, which lens are best for 4/3 mount? I’m hoping to shoot cinematic travel videos and make short action films
@@alirazastudios4427 I honestly can't say because I have very limited experience with BlackMagic cameras. When I used the 6k, I had it paired with a Sigma Art Lens using the Canon EF mount, both the 18-35mm and the 24-70mm, mainly because that's what was available for me to use. Rokinon has a pretty decent cinema lens kit that gives you 6 prime lenses for $2,500. That would be more than enough to get you started. I would say don't invest in super expensive glass until you really know what you're doing. You can learn how to get great shots with a mid-level lens. If you're on a tight budget, then maybe get one zoom lens and one 50mm prime lens. But if you can afford to get a variety, that will help you get a wider diversity of shots.
I have the 4K for quite a while now and I'm more than happy. I planned to add a 6K version and gave it a try. It's a really solid camera, but I still prefer the 4K. With my speedbooster I'm much more flexible and can use my Canon glass and all my mft lenses. Picture quality is basically the same and even if there is more room for cropping 6K footage I feel really good with "only" 4K. In addition the rolling shutter of the 6K version is really much stronger on the 6K. But that's just me with lots of mft lenses ;)
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I just had to watch 6:52 over and over and over again. Sick shot!
I could be wrong, but I think it's just marked placement for each shot, then a morph cut transition in Premiere. Looks awesome.
that's editing
i did like 8 times lol
@@LowDoughTech Of course it is, but it was executed flawlessly.
He placed both cameras at the same spot and then shot each with a motorized slider with the same speed and angle. This makes it very easy to have seamless transition between shots since every thing is matching but the cameras !!
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4K is plenty. It gives smaller files, easier on the computer, and it's more than enough for me. If they come out with a 4K pro I might go with that because built in nd filters and all that good stuff would be super handy
4Ks monitor is way too dim! I wish they would offer a 4K Pro!
Variable ND’s aren’t that expensive. I get it though it’s a pain to take it on and off when doing run and gun.
4k is overkill. I shoot 1080p. So much better than 4k
yeas but if already 50%+ people using 4k monitors, how then? People who will watch your result will see that loosing of quality in that case, big loosing@@hello-lb3vf
The 6k can shoot 4k too
Your a life saver, I was about to buy the 6K but I settled with the 4K because you pin pointed everything I needed to know about the two cameras thank you!
I don’t have the money nor the need for either of these, but I want them lol
I second that 🍻haha
I have the savings and the time to start with these, but lost my Job because of Covid19 Crisis (Why I have the time) but dont think it is the smartest to go spend it on these until I find a new job, but then I will have far less time to film...
No shame in that.
Thats exactly why I bought the OG. You can get second hand for around $500, it has some flaws and it only records 1080p but the color science is just beautiful.
Same 💯🙏
The color issue... I believe that the flat “yellow” look to the 4K is due largely to the speed booster. I’m not saying they are identical without the speed booster but WAY closer. At least the stuff I’ve gotten a chance to see that used both(friends projects) a skin tone test on the 4K with and without speedbooster would be awesome
Best comparison I've seen so far. I love that you talked calmly which makes the presentation clearer. One of the things I hate most about "content creators" is that they are super-hyped. I swear, I feel tired just by listening to them talk.
6:53 it’s morphin’ time.
I’m so entitled that it barely even registered with my eyes.
Thanks for calling out the 6K's louder fan. I thought maybe it was just me. 😉
Hey Curtis! I love your videos btw. I´m a sound guy too. Is there any option to turn off the fans while you´re recording and back on on stand by?
@@julianburrus9956 It's workable except for extreme close-up shots where you still need to capture sound. Also, my first copy had a defective fan. I sent it back to the retailer and they sent me a new camera. I don't see it as a complete deal-breaker, I just prefer cameras that shut down their fans while recording. Many of the bigger cinema cameras do this now - shut off or slow down the fan substantially while recording.
@@julianburrus9956 I have the 6K and I'm an audio guy at heart. In an average silent-but-untreated room, you need to be inches away to hear the fan (with an ear or a microphone). I could only imagine it being audible in a dead silent treated studio where you're recording macro video with the mic on the camera. Even then, it's a very consistent low frequency and would be easy to filter in post. I worried about the fan noise too, until I actually got it in hand. The fan noise in the video is *severely* boosted, it makes it sound like a vacuum cleaner. In reality it's essentially silent and nowhere near such a high pitch.
@@Leo9ine Thanks for clarifying that point.... i was worried too...
How’s it going Curtis? Yeah my main concern would be the fan noise coming from the camera when you’re doing close ups from even an external recorder. Are the fans on the 6K intermittent or are they constantly audible? Thanks
Just wanted to stop by and day that your courses are freaking amazing. I purchased the GH5 and the BMPCC courses and they're so easy to follow. You do an amazing job at explaining everything.
Thank you so much Driven! That means so much to hear!!!
speedboasters on the micro 4/3 camera are meant to mount a larger lens then than the 4/3 lenses? is not only the crop factor that change right, but also that you can no longer use the 4/3 micro lenses anymore connected to the camera if one use a speed boater that got EF mount for larger lenses?? or?
Always great coverage. Love the sponsorship. You have a bazillion awesome camera courses over at your academy which is awesome. I know you put a lot of time into these, so they’re a super bargain. 👍
What a smoothass transition you did there at 6:48!!! Also the most replayed part haha. Great vid thanks
I love when Caleb sponsors himself! It’s both awesome and hilarious!
my videos are sponsored by me 😂😂
Well am gonna buy the 4k and a speedbooster, spend the remaining money on frames, stabilizers and lenses.
Thanks for the review.
Cost of 4K camera + speedbooster cost = cost of. 6K camera
@@markr041 Viltrox EF-M2 is a sharper speedbooster than Metabones for $150. It's interesting that they compete so well considering the massive price difference. So you're wrong on that one.
Super keen to see the Sony PMW F3 review you mentioned a while ago... the limited stuff on UA-cam makes it look pretty cinematic.
f35 is even more interesting now
This video is so informative and so professionally done. I can imagine how impressive your guides are. You are surely one of the best people doing such videos on UA-cam.
I am wonder the softness in the shot it is really the camera or is it the lens that were used?
Lens and setup. The body dont do anything but captures what you give it
I've been contemplating this camera for my primary video camera. The mirrorless world is too many and too frustrating. Plus it has HW style features.. thanks a lot. I'm convinced
I pulled the trigger on the 4k ✔️
How are you liking it so far?
@@lprzytula haven't regretted it at all! Shooting Blackmagic RAW dosent take up nearly as much space as I thought. I've even been able to shoot 12:1 raw to a pretty inexpensive SD card.
Get a external battery and Rock on!
@@CineMobilePodcast That's awesome! 👍
which lens do u use on that the most??
Nzo CEO did you get a speed booster or did you buy 4/3 lenses
BRAW makes life so much better. These are both great cameras.
Lol
We will know need the BRAW code with such awesomeness . Pun intended.
I see all these people talking about the HUGE difference between the metabones and the Viltrox.
And it simply doesn't exist.
Yeah, blow it up 600% to spot the minuscule difference. That's not real world.
As if anybody here is shooting the next Transformers or Avengers.
Stop with the pixel peeping, and shoot a film.
I mean seriously, is anybody here actually making movies, or are they all just gearheads?
I'm here to make movies, when I can afford this camera, once I get all of my other gear paid for on a limited budget :)
David Sandberg( Lights Out, Anabelle:Creation, Shazam! ) shoots on the bmpcc4k
Read my mind!
Lol. You nailed it!
I agree. gearheads want to show off their (useless) knowledge but can't apply it in real world situations. it becomes useless.
That's interesting. The 4K camera has a Micro Four Thirds sensor just like the regular 1080p BMPCC, and I bought a Metabones Speed Booster 0.58x for that camera about two and a half years ago, so... unless Metabones stopped making that type of speed booster, there are at least three in total: x71, x64 and x58 (which is the fastest).
Idk expecting more…
There's already a full frame speedbooster for the 6K on the market - LucAdapters magicbooster - also adds a better IR Cut Filter and will have clip ND filters in the future. This makes shooting in 5.7K kind of attractive, because the field of view will still be wide, you can shoot 60fps, record in 3:1 and have a better rolling shutter time.
Denny could you please elaborate on why you’d shoot 5.7K rather than the full 6K?
@@TrentsMullet Afaik there is still no card on the market that can shoot 3:1 Raw on 6k with 50fps. However, you can shoot 3:1 and 60 fps on 5.7k with a Samsung T5 (although the data rate shouldn’t be substantially lower, but it seems to be enough). So higher frame rate, better compression rate. When your finished product will be 4k, which it will be in most cases, then 5.7k is still good enough for getting crispy oversampled 4k or doing crop-ins and I bet you won’t be able to tell a difference, if I upscaled to 6k. Also the rolling shutter is reduced from 19,8ms to 16,3 ms and by that pretty much on par with the BMPCC 4k. So what’s there not to like? Maybe that the crop factor increases from 1.558 to 1.692. Well, put the magicbooster behind the lens and you are on 1.2 and gain 1 stop of light.
I have a LucAdapters "magic booster" (0.71x focal reducer) for my Pocket 6K. Absolutely love using it with my set of Zeiss ZE primes, and I can unscrew the focal reducer glass by hand whenever I want. By the way, if anyone wants one, Luca is very responsive on Facebook (just search LucAdapters). And I agree, shooting 5.7K is the way to go as it's such a nominal FOV loss with much better rolling shutter.
What does everybody mean about the rolling shutter time?
@@Visethelegend Time it takes to sequentially read out every horizontal line of the sensor. The longer it takes, the more pronounced are effects like wobble, skew or spatial aliasing.
Caleb, I really like the transition at 6:52. Well done!!
Super helpful, informative and straight to the point. Absolutely love it! Thank you!
Best channel in the game right now on breaking products down and giving you the real on what you should get for budget prices
The 4K fan might be quieter, but it might also be ineffective. A friend took a BMPCC 4K out to the California desert to shoot a narrative film (i.e., actors and sound) and it shut down in the heat. I'm working on a film now using a BMPCC 6K and it is having no trouble shooting in the Los Angles summer. Caveat.
My Panasonic Gh5 2 doesn't overheat, neither does the GH6. And i dont need no stinking speed booster. There's no crop on these cameras in ANY mode, so the hell with Black magic cameras.
at 2:37 the story begins always great reviews ( thanks for the no music background) just the review I appreciate all the hard work you do to produce these
That transition at 6:51 😍 I love it! That's so smooth
thanks, Caleb, your videos are so informative and helpful, I really appreciate the clarity and fine points, I learn so much watching your videos
Thank you SO much my dude. I've been slappin' my brain wrinkles pretty hard over which of these cats to own. You really solved it with this video's excellent clarity and comparison. I have now a new 4k comin' my way, and my work is gonna be silky.
Best review from the 10+ I watched. Great work🤙🏾
Waiting for your BM6kPro review/video. And when it's out I am ready one click away for the guide. I checked it and you are updating the guide covering 6k Pro. Bought your guide from a6500, switched to GH5, and now 6k Pro. Thanks for the learning, knowledge, and content. Helps me to improve my business and upskill.
Thank you for the objective and educational video. I use both and I think they are two excellent cameras, with the differences described and either one allows you to achieve excellent results. Neither better nor worse, just different.
Mind blowing the detail in the prores 4k coming out of the 6k @ 2:40
Great guide! It really helped me to find out which to buy
You said the 6K can downsample to 4K in Prores. Are these downsampled 4K files the same size as those same prores files on the BMPCC4K?
You can buy a "Magic Booster" for the 6k. This reduces it to 1.1x crop. This sits between the sensor and the mount. It also acts as a very light promised filter making it more cinematic.
I bought one and I do like the result a lot.
Mine is on the way, heard the crop is actually closer to 1.3x
Once you mentioned wider shots on the 4k with the speed booster, I was sold. Thank you. 🙏🏻
Caleb you simply make the best bloody reviews in the world....sure i watch phillip bloom, Tom Antos, gerald undone (genius but too intense!) and others.....but you are in my mind the leader in your field.....beautiful rich colours....presented so well to understand....comparisons.....in my mind you are the guru of reviews....i shall always be hugely grateful to your time and edits.....just brilliant mate......you are always the first person i turn to for the latest info.....and im so grateful for your knowledge.....thanks matey from the other side of the pond.....your work is brilliant ......always practical and brilliant.
You are awesome!! Very detailed explanation. I’m sticking with the 4K.
Great video, Caleb. I just bought the BMPCC6k a couple of months ago and have barely scratched the surface of what this camera can do. Watching this video helped to assure me that I made a good purchase, but I just need to invest time into learning this BEAST! Haha. I'll check out some of your other content and your Academy to keep educating myself. Thanks for all you do for the video-shooter community!!
I wanna thank our sponsors. Thank you self. You're welcome Caleb.
Love it
Love this channel Caleb - quick question - the blacks on the 4K side of the 4K/6K comparison seemed very raised... is the dynamic range different on the cameras? And if you DIDN'T apply the same LUT and GRADE but optimized for the 4K - does that smokiness go away? Or is the image really just that much muddier even with a speed booster?
the 4k combination is really good thats why I went that route but the main problem is you lose lens/glass characteristics specially if you use a high quality cine lenses.
I get such a kick out of watching your videos. Very informative. Thank you!
There is a speed booster for the 6K is like the ursa mini one, just lens but you need to screw it in the mount to keep the distance between the sensor and the lens mount
My choice is the 4k personally. Both are sick though.
Excellent buying guide. Thanks a lot!
Aweasome transition 6:52
Your videos one of the best Do you have a video on the 6 pocket to down scale in pro Rez? Using the 4K
That was an awesome, concise review! Made my decision much easier for my needs.
Is BRAW really soft or my camera is just bad? Your shot of the 800x zoom shows just like I see it. In my canon 90d a 10x zoom looks like what you showed in the 6k.
lolol its because its 800x in 4k. 800x times is different in 1080p.
Great video, are you going to be doing a guide or comparison video on the Panasonic S1H v S1 now that it's available on the market and not in pre-production?
Before I was thinking the 6K is better but with the metebones the 4K looks great.
Cameras now are simply insane! ☝️
This is such a great help. Definitely gets me a step closer in deciding what to buy. Thank you
Now this was a video that was straight to the point. I have the 6K already but I'm seriously considering getting the 4K with a Speed Booster as well. Just because of the price, like you said. "I can't go wrong with that." Thanks for the video. 😁
Outstanding video. I've been waiting on a video to compare these two.
Extremely clear guide and helpful, thank you!
I'm happy with my 6k and bought it at regular price. To solve the battery issue, I use a dual NPF battery plate with a dummy LPE6 to have continuous power on long shoots. I only got 10-15min on the included LPE6 battery. Lol The 6k is super helpful for faking slider shots in post without losing quality. I also got a full license of Davinci Resolve with my purchase. Never having to pay subscription fees to use software was another big selling point for me.
how did you get the davinci resolve?
@@ANewThingLondon You get a free code when you buy a Blackmagic camera. I actually ended up trading in my bmpcc 6k for an S1h because I had to send it in three times for a power control board issue. The image quality of the bmpcc 6k was better, but I got tired of hauling batteries and the lack of image stabilization made handheld shots too shaky (even with IS lenses).
As a complete novice to cinematography/videography.....I fell in love with the 4K. Strangely enough it makes an ambient noise when I turn it on and it's captured in all my videos. Other than that, I love the camera. Thank you for the video it answers a lot of questions between the two cameras.
Yes it does, to counter that I would get a Zoom H1, H2, H4n, H5 or H6, from the smallest which is easily held in your palm to the biggest H6 which can still be handheld, or a Tascam or a Sony field recorder. Then bring in the good quality sound in post. It's an extra step, and annoying, I know, but that consistency of doing that will build a good habit of always relying on top notch sound for your footage, and rarely using the onboard camera recording unless of course you're recording kids running around, making noise and that will actually cover that annoying camera sound. Most of the time, I prefer using an external mic, it makes a vast difference in sound quality and stereo field.
@@kmal16 I can't say thank you enough for this response. I have been using the H1 and I couldn't be more happy. I was under the impression something was wrong with my camera. Thank you a million times over.
@@KingCladCrowe You're so welcome. Awesome of you to have the H1. It records beautifully and it's small, pocket size and super easy, and it delivers good quality audio. I guess these cameras have fans, so of course there's bound to be some noise there. I'm sure though that some of the BMPCC4K's might not have that noise issues, but mine does. The only time I'll happily record straight from camera is if I'm in a noisy atmosphere, and believe it or not, with some good EQ knowledge and a Compressor you can get the camera audio to sound closer to the H1. Anyways, cheers and enjoy the Blackmagic. I absolutely love mine.
the video that i'm waiting for in the community!
thanks for the explaination!
Hi
, thank you for your great videos!!! If I just start in filmmaking do you recommend the BM 6K or something more like Sony A7iii? Is it really difficult to pull the manual focus or it is just a matter of a bit of practice???
Thanks!!!
You can get the practice by using a film city follow focus gear. If you are doing filmmaking it will probably come down to how you choose your shots. For example I always put it on a tripod. And handheld will be as less as possible. So I hope you get the gist. If you are not bothered with the learning of filmmaking as a cinematographer I would suggest bmpcc. So boils down to comfort
Okaaaay! 6:51 I had to watch that over and over. Pretty cool man. I see you flexing.
06:53 that transition is so cool
Are you going to do a review on the Panasonic S1H?
Awesome video. Thanks so much for this mate.
Thank you! Glad you mentioned the noise on the 6k which made my decision very easy! -> 4k
that morph from the 4k to the 6k was so slick and subtle. I see you flexin' lol
If you live in USA, than Pocket 4K is cheaper version. But if you live somewhere in Asia, as i do. Pocket 4K is 1700$ + Metabones for Bmpcc4k is 900$ (including delivery and taxes). So in total it's 2600$. But i love it so much! Worth every cent that i invested.
Thanks for the review. Can you comment on the file size differences between ProRes 4K (the only option on the 6K model) and BRAW 4K on the 4K model?
As a user of the Pocket 4K for more then half a year: Please don't underestimate the file size, especially in RAW. Don't buy any of these camera's if it's your complete savings account. You really need a more expensive SD card for RAW (At least lexar 1667x, tested on 12:1 60fps 4kDCI) and a lot of (possible expensive) storage if you're going to be shooting on these. And don't forget you probably want a rig, extra batteries, several cards as backup, maybe even a gimbal like ronin-s or zhiyun, a special baseplate for the ronin-s or a cage for the zhiyun crane etc etc etc.
The total towards shooting what you want is probably going to cost a lot more then you think. Make sure you have more savings to use and/or income.
Correct. The cheapest way to record on both of them is of course an external SSD but that may interfere with your setup.
I have a 4K. One thing I miss is the ability to put an electronic view finder on it. I think the 6K does support this.
I wonder if adding an ir cut filter wold improve the color of both of these cameras, as black magic is notorious for having bad inferred shift.
It does. But only if and only if there is lots of IR present. e.g. when using an ND filter that doesn't filter IR in bright sunlight.
Now that the price of 6K dropped to ~$2000... Is it still a wise decision to buy 4K with .64x speed booster instead of 6K?
I use prores a lot, but rarely zoom in 800% so I guess I'd go for the 4k rather than spending almost double for the 6k and most people would not be any the wiser
I can't believe you didn't mention rolling shutter. People need to talk more about that.
Alexa Amira: 2ms
I agree, pocket 6k rolling shutter is much more distracting than the 4k.
Shocking. Have you reported this video to UA-cam standards?
@@philipbloom I didn't think about that. Do you think I should? I mean, I didn't think it was that big of a deal...
Quentin Brendemuhl I think so. Caleb needs a spanking for missing out that!
@@philipbloom You crack me up. @CalebPike apologies, I love your video! I didn't know the 4K with the XL speedbooster has less of a crop factor!
yea!!!! thanks for making this video man! glad to see your feeling better ( or seem to be)
I'm looking to purchase the 4K now - though I see it's about 3 years old. Any reason to hold off until a 4K Pro is released or maybe some updated version?
This is the comparison I was looking for! Thank you!!!!
you can use LUCAdapter on 6K to get FF View!! then compare 4k w/ Sb vs 6K w/ Luc Adapter
No one did it yet.
Why not have the 4k AND 6K? The 4k for run and gun type scenarios with smaller mft lenses (combined with IS) and the 6k rigged out with EF lenses for commercials / corporate / docu or shortfilms? And then you still have 2 Blackmagic camera's that can you match perfectly in post.
Why not own a Bentley and a Range Rover ?
We shoot with several and the 6k wins every time! Even grading is much harder on the 4K, especially to get it to match the 6k
How do you get a canon lens to fit? I don’t know which mount to buy. I don’t know if I need an adapter or speed booster. I’m new to this.
@@luz3793 You need either an ef mount to m4/3 or if you want to reduce the crop factor then you get a speed booster, there are different ones depending on what amount of crop factor you want. "18-35mm on the BMPCC 4K will apply a 1.9x crop. Giving us 34-66mm. The Metabones Speedbooster will give us a .71x crop, bring our final output to 24-47mm."
@@jaykudie I have the 6k. Will this work for it?
I agree with all you say. In opinion, the only reason I would go for the 6k version is to be more flexible when it comes to using vintage lenses (except the Canon FD and Leica R glasses): we all know that lenses are an important factor in filmmaking and if you want to go for lenses for which a quality Speedbooster is not available (for example, Pentax Takumar series) and to have a decent wide-angle glass, the BMPCK 6K is the right choice and I'm very surprised that Metabones in not thinking about a speed booster for M42 lenses.
Just as with my GH4, if I needed to shoot a 1080p video, I would shoot in 4K and down rez it to 1080p and get a better looking video than if I had shot it in native 1080p. So it seems that the same is true if you shoot in 6K and then down rez it to 4K, you'll get a better looking 4K video than you would have if you had shot it in 4K.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this!
Very helpful comparison, thanks.
Thx for a very helpful video. I live in Japan and the 6k is $140 cheeper then the 4K+SB now. I'm definitely bying the 6K
You mentioned that the 4k can use adapters. But, can't the EF mount on the 6k use adapters? There are a lot of EF adapters out there for other cameras.
Pocket 4k for me. All day! Great video BTW. Love the production value on this one!
That was awesome man! Thanks a lot for all the info!
good comparison, i always watch your video, and learn more from you guy!
2024. Maybe with the pod mod kit? And is there a evf for lcd? I shoot sometimes bright daylight... I'm considering bmpcc4k used to be able to have braw internal. Instead of fx30 and requiring external monitor and more heavy files and conversion process... But portability... Hmm.. Which one to choose...
Just the video i was looking for very informative. I just have one question about whether having a speed booster on the BMPCC4K affects the image quality and sharpness. I'm considering between the 4k and 6k because they are basically the same price once the 4K is paired with a Metabones adapter. My only concern is about the sharpness on the BMPCC4K after having a speed booster on as there an extra glass element in front of the sensor.
I was considering the Viltrox adapter.
Would really appreciate the advice as you have experienced using both cameras. Thank you
Hello there, the Viltrox adapter is very good, almost on par with the Metabones, up close some differences can be noticed, but that's only after a side by side comparison. Other than that I feel my footage with the 18-35 Sigma (Nikon mount) combined with the Viltrox on the 4k has been more than impressive.
To get good results I would highly recommend knowing how to expose properly using the false color, this will ensure top quality for your 4k footage. You will have more detail in the shadows and in the highlights. I try to keep my shadows just above the blue, and avoid if I can the dark magenta, unless I don't care about those shadowy parts. Also, for the highlights, I discovered a good trick, I'm not sure if this is consistent across all footage in RAW, but I recently discovered when importing your footage in D. Resolve, within the RAW panel in the Color Tab, don't just click on the Highlight Recovery that won't be enough to recover some highlights, actually use the Exposure slider and bring it down to about .50 to 2.5 (even 3 in some cases) stops down, you'll be impressed at this, then bring back up your exposure in the Gamma wheel inside the Primaries only, you won't need to use the Global Offset in the HDR wheels, just using the Gamma in the Primaries then a bit of Lift and a bit of the Gain will now help you to almost fully recover those highlights. You can also use a bit of Curves but keep it to small gestures, if not you'll risk blowing up your midtones very quickly. Main impressive feature for this to work is the Gamma wheel. Then a bit of the other primary wheels, and a bit of the Offset wheel and then a hair touch of the Curves and also for micro shadow adjustments go to the Log Wheels, and bring the Shadows a hair bit down.
All of this will ensure an incredible footage all around.
But please make sure to use False Color on the 4k camera, that is key to all of this.
Sorry, this has been way more info than you asked but to come back to your concern, yes, the Viltrox works beautifully (so long as it isn't for autofocus which I don't think it would be good for that).
The Metabones is far too expensive for what it delivers compared to the Viltrox which easily competes on all levels with the Metabones. There's been online comparisons which almost convinced me to get the Metabones, until I went out and shot with the Viltrox, then I was convinced it would be a waste of my $$.
But all in all, 6k or 4k, I think both will deliver amazing footage. But I will say I notice where the 6k rules, and undeniably I wouldn't hesitate I if I could afford it. The other side of the 6K, is I think you cannot shoot in 4k, I don't know if that was resolved in an update, but it was a big complaint from the PK cinema community, then media storage and recording, you're spending a lot more than the 4k. Is it worth it, yes if your budget can handle buying bigger CF cards and and 2TB ssd's (Sandisk extreme and extreme pro). Also keep in mind, on the 6k because of its global shutter issues, I would use it as a stable camera, with little to no fast side to side movements. So again, would I choose the 6k over the 4k, my answer would be yes, because I'm in love with how the 6k translates skin tones, shadows and color. The 4k comes super close to the 6k, but that extra edge makes the 6k a winner for me. But in post, you can easily rip and tear a well graded 6k footage with a 4k footage if you know what you're doing and everything on camera was well shot. Hands down.
Thank you for bearing with this essay on my views concerning the 6k and the 4k.
Speedbooster for the 6K????
LucAdapter Magic booster. Drop in glass element for the 6K
Hey! Could someone help me? I'm pretty new with filming.
Now that the 6k is 2000 bucks, would it be the better buy than the 4k with a metabone speed booster, which would be roughly the same? My taste: I like organic cinematic feel, vintage lenses and would also like to do music videos.
Thank you!
I've used the 6k before, and while it does get great resolution and picture quality, from my point of view it's not worth it based on all of its cons. If you're more into vintage lenses and cinema, based on this video you're going to be able to get more variety of lens choices with the 4k. The thing I love most about the 6k is its color grading (I can't speak for the 4k since I haven't used it yet). However I absolutely HATE the battery life. You either need the powerbase edge which gives you about 3 hrs. of recording time, or you have to have A/C. Another problem I've run into with the 6k is that unless you significantly downgrade the picture quality, the file sizes are MASSIVE. I shot 5 minutes of footage and it was a 115gb file. That's insane. To be able to complete my project, I had to put the settings on ProRes LT to make the file sizes manageable, and that was about 1gb per minute of footage. With either camera you'll need to invest in a good size external hard drive. Some people really like using higher res cameras and downgrading the footage like he talked about, however the reality is that if you're not actually planning on editing and showing the footage in 6k, it's kind of a waste of money. Technology is just now catching up to be able to handle 4k. And like I said, if you want that vintage cinema feel, I think the lens choices you will have with the 4k cam will give you that ability. That's just my opinion.
@@sydneyjohnson1336 hey man, very good reply, I want to get the 4k now instead of 6k but what lens are the best for 4k? Most lens I seen are all canon mount ones, which lens are best for 4/3 mount? I’m hoping to shoot cinematic travel videos and make short action films
@@alirazastudios4427 I honestly can't say because I have very limited experience with BlackMagic cameras. When I used the 6k, I had it paired with a Sigma Art Lens using the Canon EF mount, both the 18-35mm and the 24-70mm, mainly because that's what was available for me to use. Rokinon has a pretty decent cinema lens kit that gives you 6 prime lenses for $2,500. That would be more than enough to get you started. I would say don't invest in super expensive glass until you really know what you're doing. You can learn how to get great shots with a mid-level lens. If you're on a tight budget, then maybe get one zoom lens and one 50mm prime lens. But if you can afford to get a variety, that will help you get a wider diversity of shots.
I have the 4K for quite a while now and I'm more than happy. I planned to add a 6K version and gave it a try. It's a really solid camera, but I still prefer the 4K. With my speedbooster I'm much more flexible and can use my Canon glass and all my mft lenses. Picture quality is basically the same and even if there is more room for cropping 6K footage I feel really good with "only" 4K. In addition the rolling shutter of the 6K version is really much stronger on the 6K. But that's just me with lots of mft lenses ;)
Great video man! Didn’t know about the 4k down sampling in the P6K.