I really appreciate how you went through all the features, frame sizes, and benefits of each camera and made some great comparisons. But it's not realistic to assume something marketed as a cinema camera would have DSLR features like a flip screen, IBIS, great battery life, and so forth. You are buying a professional tool that performs with one thing in mind, which is image quality in a controlled environment. If you bought any other professional cinema camera system you would most likely not even get a battery and monitor unless you buy those parts separately, and everything is manual. The reason people build out extensive kits for the BMPCC 4K & 6K is so that it suits their needs for what they need, but a lot of people think since it looks like a hybrid DSLR camera it should just have those features built-in.
I see your point, but keep in mind there isn't anymore any very sharp line between what is Pro and what is not. The form factor now is not an indication of that. This pretty much have the features of a PRO camera, yet it looks like a DSLR for photography. In the end of the day some of those features I'm talking about are things are already implemented in other pro cameras such as the URSA mini camera with The flip screen. Also for the BMPCC4k and 6k they already have a battery grip with Sony batteries. Which a single battery can easily fit in the compartment. So wasn't sure why with that rational they still didn't add it to the 6K? IBIS is a choice that seems to match that form factor as well like int he GH5 and Sony cameras... In the end of the day, those are wishes that I know they can implement. They have the tech and the means,... they already did it.
For those still on the fence, the P4K ($1295) plus the MB Speedbooster ($650), is just about the same price as the P6K now on sale everywhere for $1995. I went with the 6K for the slightly sharper image, slightly better color, but mostly because I already have EF glass.
Thanks to The DP Journey for these great videos! For Nikkor (Nikon) glass owners, it may still be better to own the P4K. I own a lot of Nikon Glass, many AIS lenses. The MFT version plus my existing speed boosters after many years in the GH1.GH2, GH4 video scene means going to EF mount is not as convenient for me! Ughhhh. I hate it when I see so few offerings for Nikon F mount, lol. But seriously, the Metabones SB and a screw attachment to hold it stable on MFT mount, as seen in the video from Tilta or SmallRig is more stable for Nikon glass than an EF mount + skinny F mount adapter, with no way to stabilize the minute shake you may get from pulling focus.
Is it big difference in quality and low light? I have bmpcc6k and need to repair screen and hdmi, so I just think to buy bmpcc4k instead , but I don’t know if it’s a good idea …
This is by far the best ever video comparison of the 4k and the 6k camera, I have both of those cameras (4k and 6k) which I use for my UA-cam videos and this pretty much sums up everything everyone needs to know between both cameras and I totally agree with EVERY point. Good job man and I am subscribing to your channel for this amazing content
You made the best review of the BMCPC 6K. I've seen with allways same informations. I've learned many more in yours and thank you for infographics, visuals and examples.
I also thought you must have 100K subs. If you don’t get there soon, it will be failure of the algorithm. The effort you put in far exceeds most other reviews. And the thought process and expression in your narration is top notch; especially impressive as English seems maybe not your first language. subbed and looking forward to more.
THANK YOU so much for your support! I just started that channel last month and with awesome people like you I hope I’ll get to 100k soon enough 😉 already have tons of ideas to work on... so I’m happy to have you onboard! Thanks for spreading the love
Thank you so much for the comment, really happy you appreciate the amount of effort that goes into this. Awesome people like you make it all worth it 👍 thanks again
Great video. This is clearest and easiest to understand video I have seen so far about the BMPCC 4K and BMPCC 6K. I am waiting to have my BMPCC 6K delivered. I hope to see more of your videos on the BMPCC 6K.
Morten... I’m flattered with you awesome feedback! Glad you liked my methods and will make sure to only improve and fine tune with every upload. Thanks again
As always a great video! A few more points to consider in favor of 6k for VFX work 7. If you're capturing wide shots for a chromakey shot, the increased color and spatial resolution can can help you get cleaner edges when keying 8. Higher spatial resolution helps you get more usable features for 3D tracking and extracting geometry from moving shots (photogrammetry) 9. Higher resolution images are more useful for VFX plates (clean backgrounds) and set extensions
What a quality! Awesome video for making a conclusion, I'm wondered how you get all the most actual and important info that I've seen from bunch of different sources and combined it into one piece! Good job, keep it up!)
Thanks Vasily, yeah it was a lot of research combined with my experience with the BM4K. Check the other video I just released where I tested both cameras in reality: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
Couldn't decide between 4K & 6K. Back/forth for @1year. But I didn't know about the LucasAdapter Dynamic until I saw your vid. Now I can confidently buy the 6K. Thx. - I sub'd!
the only video I wanted to see about these two cameras! well done sir ! a really great video ! I use my friend's BMPCC 4K camera, but I own 5 Canon L-Series lenses so I'm buying the BMPCC 6K indeed ! thanks again
Great Video - Thanks! For people who are thinking about crop factor issues, small detail: In the video at 4:20 the crop factor of the 6k version is actually 1.558x (super-35) and not 1.63x (aps-c).
Well to point this out. RED's Gemini sensor is supposed to do 16.5 Stops vs BMPCC6K 13 Stops. That's a big difference. I prefer Dynamic range over resolution any day If I can.
yeah for sure, but when you consider that those extra 3.5 DR would cost you $23,000 would you still consider RED? In the end of the day, RED and BM have 2 different color sciences and workflow, just looking at the major difference in price would make me wonder why RED is costing that much if another company can produce pretty amazing results in a fraction of the cost.
@@THEDPJOURNEY Why does Hollywood always shoot on Arri? They're very stable cameras. BM has had a lot of bad press for being unstable. I shoot BM myself and I see the issues it has. Honestly, I wish I could afford an Arri Mini. That's a very solid camera. I think also it comes down to engineering. Framerates are also important too. RED isn't trying to compete with BM it's trying to compete with Arri and Sony. BM does have one thing going for it in Hollywood. Due to the price and image, they make great crash cams. I say if you're working with a lower budget, shoot BM, but if you have a higher budget, shoot on something you want to shoot on. I think that they're cameras are more expensive because of the materials to make them and more features.
@@retroradfilms Actually Neither Arri or RED are as reliable as you think. Not sure how often you used them, I did quite a lot, I'll be shooting with the mini next week and I own a RED. IMHO, The main reason (beyond the amazing sensor quality) of why Hollywood is using Arri is the legacy they had since the film days. This company is literally 100 years old, very well established and reliable in that sense. Even RED is not grabbing that considerable market share from Hollywood. Which explains their move to go target the mainstream and the public with affordable cameras. BM is great... and I feel they might change that probably within the next 10 years if they're going with this pace
@@THEDPJOURNEY I work on set all the time here in Atlanta, GA on Netflix shows and movies. I've asked the camera department what they think and most of the time I hear RED and Arri and even Sony. So I guess it's opinion. Have a good day.
Actually, DOF will effectively be the same as the 6K when using a speedbooster on the 4K with the same lens at the same focal length. Blackmagic in their comparison image didn’t take into consideration a speedbooster and was showing the same field of view with the same focal length on both cameras, but with the 4K having a smaller MFT sensor, you would have to back the camera out in order to get the same field of view as the 6K, thus reducing the shallow DOF effect on the 4K. Therefore when using the 4K with a speedbooster, you’ll be getting roughly the same FOV and DOF since the distances will be roughly the same from the subject as the crop will be very similar with the speedbooster on the 4K. Sensor size does not change how the physics of light interact with the lens and characteristics of DOF. It’s the focal length, distance from the subject and aperture that effects the DOF. Other than that, great video explaining the pros and cons of the 6K vs the 4K. 4K is still the best deal out of the two cameras in my opinion. A lot more bang for your buck, compared to the 6K.
I actually did that test and you'd be very surprised at my finding. I'm editing that test in my next video coming tomorrow. But yeah, the concept of bigger sensor = shallower depth of field is very widely miss-understood... calls for an episode just for that subject. happy to see knowledgeable viewers like you on the channel. Would love to hear from you again in my next episode.
THE DP JOURNEY Yes, it can get a bit confusing so I can totally see why people can misunderstand the concept. It took me some time to really grasp it as well initially. I’m sure with Metabones XL on the 4K, you can probably get away with an even shallower DOF than the 6K with the same lens with similar framing of the subject. Sounds great. Can’t wait to check out your findings!
@@echelonredmedia6512 for sure if you retain the same FOV, then since the 4K+MB will have a wider FOV, getting closer will result in a shallower DOF and the 6K. But in my test I kept the same exact distance, to be comparing apples to apples as much as possible, even with having a wider FOV on the 4K... retaining the same lens, but only adding the speed boosters.
Why 6K? 7. You can frame for center extracted 4K, avoid lens vignetting, and have room for reframing shots in post if needed. This is how many feature films are made, and why you shoot a framing chart. 8. When working in center extract 4K mode, you have additional information around the sides for camera tracking and stabilization. 9. Allows more options when you need to deliver 2.39, 1.78, 1.85 and 9:16 deliverables. The 1.78 version of a feature film has more picture information than what you saw in the 2.39 theatrical release (or less if the original was anamorphic).
I never leave comments on youtube videos, but I want to thank you for this. I'm a subscriber now, and happy to get the 4K or a GH5 as my A now, B later when the 8K beasts start and make 6K look like a footnote. I have the Nikon holy trinity of pro glass and I dreaded getting rid of it to buy Canon EF lenses. It just makes sense to wait for actual fullframe sensors to come out and use this glass on it later. Again, thanks for making a video that doesn't waste anyone's time and isn't hosted by a tinder frat boy.
I was about to check all my comments and I was greeted with your awesome compliments here Pierre. I'm really humbled by your words and very happy to see that my video guided your decision buddy. I do agree with your decision as that's what also made sense for me. I would actually advise to invest in EF Sigma ones (I'm not sponsored by them by any means). But they have really awesome lenses and their smart adapters work like a charm with all compatible cameras such as teh Panasonic L mount or Sony e-mount. Again glad to have you onboard... I'm already working on more episodes.
Pierre, there are a few options for Nikon shooters. None with autofocus in Video, unfortunately. For manual focus there are many with a metabones Speed Booster and BM has a Nikon mount option for some of their bigger cameras. The more and more pro you want to be the more you need a positive locking mount to hold the lens rock solid for focus pulls, such as the Emount on the FS7 MK2 or the Metabones Canon EF Cine adapter (the posi-lock mounts are few and far between, apart from cine camera mounts). www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1361385-REG/blackmagic_design_cineursamuprotf_blackmagic_ursa_mini_pro.html
Thank you DP JOURNEY. The best yet of any attempted descriptive, illustrated vids on this subject. This has helped greatly. I'm now subscribed to your channel. I'm checkin' you out, man... thanks again & cool...
Thank you so much for the kind words and support! Glad to have onboard... Stay tuned as I'll be uploading another video right after the weekend.. Cheers
Thanks Victor, glad you liked it. I’ll be uploading another 1 today hopefully with comparison between this and the 4K. I just got the camera yesterday. So stay tuned
Solid video my friend, definitely one of the best on the Pocket 6K. Your professionalism (and style) remind me of Gerald Undone. Plenty of subs coming your way!
I own a BMCC is the bomb. I own one and recently shot raw footage in Israel and Egypt. It is awesome. Focus is not as fast as a Canon or Sony. But, the auto focus does work. The BRAW is unbelievable. As long as you don't totally burn it out, you can make it gorgeous.
Just got a 6k... Initial thoughts, very happy with it. Easy to fly on a gimbal or use as a handheld rig and it can all fit in a large backpack. The footage looks almost identical to the Ursa Mini G2 but with better low-light performance. The image + color-science of this camera is also noticeably better than the 4k.
Bro, after watching many reviews, you killed them. All the right points. Just don't dismiss slow motion too much its quite important. Funny to think how far behind RED most are with slowmo.
I haven't even bought into bmc yet and I'm excited about the new 6k booster... Both cameras for me will be perfect because of the dynamic range editing in davinci and the 6k perfect for punching into shots. Thank you for such an amazing video!
The BMPCC 4K with Metabones XL is not a 1.36x crop factor. You don't subtract 2 - 0.64; you multiply it. So, the BMPCC 4K with the Speedbooster XL is 1.9 (the BMPCC 4K is slightly bigger than true MFT, with a 1.9x crop factor, not a 2x) * 0.64 = 1.216x crop factor, which is even closer to FF and considerable apart from the 1.56x crop factor of the BMPCC 6K. So, a 50mm on the 4K w/speedbooster would be a 60.8mm, and on the 6K would be a 75mm. That is quite the difference. For me, that is the main advantage of the BMPCC 4K, along with BRAW @ 4K DCI. Sure, BRAW @ 6K DCI is super nice, but even at 12:1, you start to get considerably larger files. Storing that can get complicated real fast. Nice video, man!
hey Israel, thanks for the comment, about the crop factors, I would urge you to do the calculation yourself mainly taking into account the actual sensor dimensions and measuring the Crop factor based on the diagonal length of the sensor. Check this article that can help you in how to calculate it: bit.ly/2YTcnVQ That's how i got my numbers basically, which is a standard way of calculating crop factors. Most people do the mistake of taking the width only and basing it on that, which doesn't make sense since the sensor is 2 dimensional. totally agree on the second point you mentioned... Check my other video where I got the camera and did the actual comparison to discover some more stuff: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html Thanks again buddy
i jumped the gun and sold my bmpcc4k for the bmpcc6k, but wish i hadn't. A lot of things I didn't research enough or count on. I can no longer record braw at 50fps on an internal SD card for one (unless they enable 4k braw down the track). And all the other points you mentioned about speed boosters etc. buyer's remorse.
Hey, yeah i don't think they'll enable that 4K Raw in the future, the reason behind that I will be sharing in my next full review. Hopefully dropping by tomorrow. Just finishing some touches in it here and there. Stay tuned
Great review. I am presently debating the 4K vs the 6K camera. I have canon glass so am leaning to the 6K. I want to get my hands on Resolve. I hear a lot of good things about it.
What about the DOF of 4k when you pair it with a speedbooster? I assume the DOF of 4k+speedbooster should be better than DOF of 6k, since the FOV is wider for 4k+speedbooster.
Hey buddy, Check my other video where i did the actual comparison: BlackMagic 6k Vs 4k IN-DEPTH COMPARISON + My Thoughts ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
I think image quality is substancially better in the BMPCC 6K because of the bigger sensor. The optical resolution capabilities displayed on a speed boosted MFT sensor don't even come close to a super 35 one. I think the compression is just tu much and worths the upgrade.
it is surely better. I agree. Keep in mind Metabones released a new speedbooster just for BM4K. Which has a superior quality than the one I used in my comparison here: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html Again, if the FOV and lens compatibility is not an issue for you. Then for sure go to the 6K.
That was actually the “Preview” hahaha... this is the review BlackMagic 6k Vs 4k IN-DEPTH COMPARISON + My Thoughts ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
man this comparison was sooo helpful in my choice man. Yes the 4k is amazing but if the metabones is 650 you're paying like 2000 dollars minus buying + monitors rig volt battery, etc. If you were to set them both up you'd be saving around 6-700 dollars buying the 4k. that's just something to think about thanks man!
+Orhan Sokoli that clip needed a very high dynamic range as the end of the corridor was bright and the corridor itself was dark. So the corridor was a bit under exposed and I had to lift it in post which showed the noise a bit
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thank you for your response! As I understood it is because u had to lift its ISO (lighiting) in post, because it wasn't engough light on the Set? Thanks Bro.
@@choose2behappy699 not exactly... I kept the ISO as is, I only lifted the blacks, so the ISO becomes more prominent. Keep in mind I also added grain in post, which could also be what you're seeing ;)
I guess they didn't make the second screw mount cause it would be obsolete anyway since this is not designed to be handheld, despite the fact that it looks like DSLR. To be honest I don't know what they went through designing the form. Maybe they just thought to sell these to vloggers as vloggers are a huge market these days. Even when these definitely aren't vlogging cameras. Also, the flipscreen - or screen at all for that matter - isn't something cinema cameras usually provide, so I've always kept the screen in these a huge bonus.
Yeah I don't think this was designed for Vlogger since it has no flip screen, a crucial feature for vloggers of course... but more for indie filmmakers, probably a bigger market nowadays.
Hey Danyal, yeah Gh5 and BM4k are my go to cameras at the moment. Gh5 is more for a quick run and gun or fast paced shoot, BM is for more planned and scripted shoot as it's higher maintenance.
THE DP JOURNEY Hey man - and the huge advantage being that the glass, speedbooster and everything works on each one too... :D. I’ll be swapping to it as I do more video than stills work anyway... I think :D
4:23 The crop of the BMPCC 4K sensor is not 2X (compared to "full frame"), it is slightly less. Even though the lens mount is MFT the sensor size is larger (four thirds)... Nice video, but make sure to have your specs in order. 🙂
I'm measuring it diagonally, I believe your calculation is based on the horizontal only, which would not be accurate as you need to account for both dimensions. WXH, that's a very common miss-information actually. Thanks for the support 👍
@@THEDPJOURNEY So I understand better; what are the actual numbers you used? Did you compare using the same (or different) aspect ratios? To my thinking it is enough to use the horisontal measurement; as long as you (in the end) are using the whole width of the sensor... With the Pocket 4K camera I can see that this way of thinking might be a problem if you would use an aspect ratio of 16:9 since not the whole width of the sensor will be utilized. In this case the sensor crops the sides, while shooting 16:9 on a "Full Frame"-still camera (Canon 5d) it would crop top and bottom... 🤔
@@DUST35 I would refer you to this article as their explanation covers everything: bit.ly/2YTcnVQ The only simple answer I would say about measuring only the horizontal... is that your image is 2 dimentional. So you need to account for both. With your rational, if a camera theoretically can shoot an image of 4K width but 1 pixel in hight, then would this be a 4K image? Your equation would say yes... but with my equation of accounting for both dimensions, then surely it's not a 4K. Hope that helps clarify
I'm not so sure about the low light performance since the size of the pixels is probably the same (larger sensor but higher resolution...). Maybe, because it's a new sensor, at the higher iso 6k would performe better but I'm doubtful. Would love to see your comparison.
This is great! But I'm still not convinced about the no-IBIS critique. Its advantage over mirrorless cameras is that it is a cinema camera at a tiny fraction of the price of a normal cinema camera (which also would not have IBIS), and its price is its advantage over bigger cinema cameras (which would have more DR, but still, would be at least 10k more). So, I would think that someone looking for a cinema camera would already be thinking of setting up a v-mount battery and a rig and not fretting over no IBIS. I'm guessing the interior of the camera body is packed with mechanisms that support the superior image processing and a larger body would need to be designed to facilitate 5 axis IBIS around the m43 or s35 sensors. Though TBH, that would be amazing. It would be a treat to just grab this camera and run with it and not take the time to set up the rig and v-mount battery! There are situations that call for this. But I'm pretty much expecting to have to deck it out.
Yeah, well my point is that even cinema cameras now are starting to move to IBIS... there's no norm for not having IBIS in cine cams, it's not a sign of PRO level. It's a feature that a lot love and you can switch it off after all if you really don't want it. In other words, I would pay more to have it ;)
In fact the image would be a bit sharper with XL. Keep in mind I tested it in my other video ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html while Metabones already released speedboosters that work better on the BMP4K than the ones already out there for m43
A minor detail you might have missed is when you read or say a number after the decimal, you say one number at a time. I.e. crop factor of 1.63 and 1.29 are spoken like "One point six three" and "One point two nine" and not as you were saying in this video as "One point sixty three etc".
Well sony doesnt really offer any advantages. The EF is due to the popularity of the EF lenses. The RF just ha a alot of new features, taking advantage of the flange distance that was cut short
Hey! I have the GEMINI too and seriously this new blackmagic 6k is killing the RED market haha.. I'm a bit lost with my RED now.. it's already loosing so much money omg
Great review. Very helpful. Think I’ll opt for the 2 x 4Ks with Metabones XL - EF to MFT adaptor and a nice set of Sigma primes along with an 18 - 35mm zoom. All in will be an amazing price for a very capable 2 camera set-up.
That sounds like a great setup for sure 👍Keep in mind Metabones just released an updated version just for Blackmagic.So might be the best choice for it. Unless you have other M43 cameras, then you can get the original one they had
THE DP JOURNEY thanks for the heads up on that. I don’t have MFT lenses but think I want to stay with EF mounting flexibility on other bodies or if I do get a BMC6K at some point. Then it should all work without another big lens upgrade.
Hi and thanks for your content. can we say that the quality of the 4k is much better on the bmpcc 6k as we take advantage of a larger censor? Does having the metabones with the biggest fov not make us lose resolution on the 4k? Thanks to take Time with your us and engaging.
A little piece of information for those so eager to shoot 6k RAW - using 1TB SSD with BMPCC 4K to shoot DCI 4K RAW lets you shoot exactly 154 minutes, I imagine it will be even less with 6K RAW.
I think the reason BM got wonky with the RAW/ProRes resolution combinations is because they didn't want to cannibalize the pocket 4k line. For now, I will stick with my 4K, 12 bit, RAW footie and upgrade in a year or two when the price drops.
yeah I'm pretty much doing the same... SHould upload a video today about that after I got my 6K and compared it. There will be some interesting thiugts I'll share there as well if you'll stay tuned
I find it really disappointing that BlackMagic is making the 6K owners choose between shooting 6K in BRAW OR 4K in ProRes. I can't for the life of me understand why there's no option to shoot 4K or even 1080p in BRAW. It's got to be a pretty simple software switch, but I'd really like to know what the reason is. Still, I really like the directions that BlackMagic is taking the industry. If not for the BMPCC4K, RED wouldn't be teasing their "less ridiculously expensive" 6K camera. Kinefinity might not be a thing. And competition is only good for the consumer. Next on my wishlist for a PCC will be to split the PCC product into two versions. One with an articulating screen and IBIS and a larger battery. The other, with SDI out, 6K (or even 8K), 14 stops of dynamic range, real anamorphic modes, and better color scopes on board. And both of these levels of functionality should come in EITHER m43 or EF (or even better RF) lens mounts. This means that one version could be for gimbal using, vlogger and more on-the-run shooting, while the other is for more serious build-out cinematic film maker use. Hey, a boy can dream.
What you cannot forget is the fact that Davinci Resolve comes free with the camera (otherwise 300 bucks) and as far as I know this program is capable of converting BRAW files into prores, so it might be an extra step but definitely possible. Also, who knows maybe the ability to record prores will come with a new firmware update
@@ryushev2000 There currently is no codec that supports a 6K ProRes. Apple would have to create one. Which they may already be doing, and might be in a future firmware. The $300 full Resolve certainly isn't lost on me. It was the a wonderful extra for a camera I would have bought anyway (the 4K). And it's currently the ONLY option we have for working with BRAW. I'll assume that Premiere will eventually either support it or Media Encoder will accept it for transcode. But I'm trying to migrate 100% to Resolve anyway.
@@goodeggproductions If it really is on Apples end, then I seriously dont get why everyone is complaining. Also with how good braw is why would you use anything else, especially when storage such as the samsung t5 is dirt cheap
@@ryushev2000 The only problem is the overhead of being restricted to using Resolve for any manipulation. For some, it's still a daunting proposition to switch editing suites, even if it's better. For example, I use Resolve for putting together short films, but I still use Premiere for doing multi-cam and green-screen shots, only because I'm more comfortable with it and haven't taken the time to learn to do it on Resolve. But now that 16 is full release, I'm planning to make that switch. What's really weird though is that for 4K and under, ProRes is the ONLY option. Why not allow us 4K BRAW on the 6k camera like we can do on the 4k camera?? It makes no sense.
@@goodeggproductions The reason why there's no 4K raw in that camera cuz the 4K is a downsample, while RAW would never be a downsample, since it's "raw". RAW is always a 1:1 pixel to pixel ratio. once you downsample, then it's processed... then to save it into a different format now. They can technically offer a 4K raw if they window the sensor, which they did in their 5.7K windowed version, but the 4K would be a steep crop that no one would use
Thanks for the great comparison... BM really is onto something here. The pocket 4k has revulotionized the way i work with AMAZING BRAW with superb Quality. They basically need to keep improving... imagine a FF 15Stops 6k75fps camera with BMRAW, Canon EF-Mount, Built in ND, better Battery and Tiltable screen for 4k or something, maybe even with IBIS if they can muster the R&D for it... it would ruin the entire competition... :))) (Yeah, Sony and Panasonic too.... :)...)
Thank you so much for the support... yeah I just launched the channel very recently. Really glad you liked it. I have a long list of videos I'll be posting. So stay tuned 👍I'll be posting the second part of thsi video tomorrow hopefully in all cases
Great video. The Pocket 4k actually has a slightly larger sensor than standard MFT and its crop factor is around 1.8 (not 2), with a speedbooster it amounts to 1.28 and with the XL speedbooster 1.15, getting pretty close to full frame territory
hey Oren, I'm curious to know where you got this information, cuz based on the sensor size dimensions I got from their website (18.96mm x 10mm), the crop factor is precisely 2.02
@@oren.kirschenbaum This is the equation i used: Sqrt(Wl^2+Hl^2)/Sqrt(Ws^2+Hs^2) which is the standard I would say. Also that's based on their info from their website about the sensor dimension. 18.96mm x 10mm. I prefer to calculate things myself since there's a lot of misleading info out there that are not from the official source
@@oren.kirschenbaum FF as 24X36. Keep in mind there isn't any camera manufacturer in this world that respects those standards. What BM claim is Super 35, is simple a approximation. In the end of the day, you're talking within a 0.1 decimal, I'm trying to look at the bigger picture where the value of the X is changing, not just its decimal you know?
As a delivery format, agreed. Anything 4k and up is irrelevant (for the most part) but as an acquisition format the flexibility that 6k offers for reframing, stabilization, and VFX is an incredible asset and save thousands of dollars in the long run on productions.
Great review. This is the best overview and comparison of these cameras I have seen. As a fellow Gemini owner, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd be moved to sell mine, but these cameras definitely do a great job. I still prefer the Gemini, as well as the RED raw workflow that can be used in all NLE's, which is a big advantage over BRAW so far--though I really like editing in DaVinci when I can. However, I still feel these cameras have a touch of the DSLR look as they lack the dynamic range of the more expensive cinema cameras. But, for the money, they really do shine, and look better than any of the competitors in or near that price range. Even compared to cameras twice or three times the price. I would be curious to see how well or not the BM6K camera footage matches up with the Gemini in post. It might be a good B-cam for gimbal shots and such. Would love to see a video where it's compared to the Gemini, and how the footage matches up or not. Thanks again, you have a new sub here!
Totally agree... yeah as a RED Gemini owner as well I felt insulted with a camera for 2500 shooting higher res and VERY GOOD image quality. I was planning to compare it further... but didn't want to spend much time on it honestly since I'm not keeping it.
Great video!
Thanks buddy... coming from an awesome influencer like you, it means a lot.
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I really appreciate how you went through all the features, frame sizes, and benefits of each camera and made some great comparisons. But it's not realistic to assume something marketed as a cinema camera would have DSLR features like a flip screen, IBIS, great battery life, and so forth. You are buying a professional tool that performs with one thing in mind, which is image quality in a controlled environment. If you bought any other professional cinema camera system you would most likely not even get a battery and monitor unless you buy those parts separately, and everything is manual. The reason people build out extensive kits for the BMPCC 4K & 6K is so that it suits their needs for what they need, but a lot of people think since it looks like a hybrid DSLR camera it should just have those features built-in.
I see your point, but keep in mind there isn't anymore any very sharp line between what is Pro and what is not. The form factor now is not an indication of that. This pretty much have the features of a PRO camera, yet it looks like a DSLR for photography. In the end of the day some of those features I'm talking about are things are already implemented in other pro cameras such as the URSA mini camera with The flip screen. Also for the BMPCC4k and 6k they already have a battery grip with Sony batteries. Which a single battery can easily fit in the compartment. So wasn't sure why with that rational they still didn't add it to the 6K? IBIS is a choice that seems to match that form factor as well like int he GH5 and Sony cameras... In the end of the day, those are wishes that I know they can implement. They have the tech and the means,... they already did it.
The quality of this review is INSANE!
Really appreciate it Andrea! Happy Holidays
For those still on the fence, the P4K ($1295) plus the MB Speedbooster ($650), is just about the same price as the P6K now on sale everywhere for $1995. I went with the 6K for the slightly sharper image, slightly better color, but mostly because I already have EF glass.
Yeah pretty amazing discounts now
Thanks to The DP Journey for these great videos! For Nikkor (Nikon) glass owners, it may still be better to own the P4K. I own a lot of Nikon Glass, many AIS lenses. The MFT version plus my existing speed boosters after many years in the GH1.GH2, GH4 video scene means going to EF mount is not as convenient for me! Ughhhh. I hate it when I see so few offerings for Nikon F mount, lol. But seriously, the Metabones SB and a screw attachment to hold it stable on MFT mount, as seen in the video from Tilta or SmallRig is more stable for Nikon glass than an EF mount + skinny F mount adapter, with no way to stabilize the minute shake you may get from pulling focus.
Is it big difference in quality and low light? I have bmpcc6k and need to repair screen and hdmi, so I just think to buy bmpcc4k instead , but I don’t know if it’s a good idea …
This is by far the best ever video comparison of the 4k and the 6k camera, I have both of those cameras (4k and 6k) which I use for my UA-cam videos and this pretty much sums up everything everyone needs to know between both cameras and I totally agree with EVERY point. Good job man and I am subscribing to your channel for this amazing content
Down to the point, great information with no flim flam, no part-vlog-look-at-my-life rubbish. Thank you. Subscribed
Thanks Marcus... Really happy to have you onboard! Stay tuned for more to come this week
You made the best review of the BMCPC 6K. I've seen with allways same informations. I've learned many more in yours and thank you for infographics, visuals and examples.
Thank you so much Tetsuo for the kind words... I'm happy my review was informative and insightful :)
Tetsuo Tamba True!
I also thought you must have 100K subs. If you don’t get there soon, it will be failure of the algorithm. The effort you put in far exceeds most other reviews. And the thought process and expression in your narration is top notch; especially impressive as English seems maybe not your first language. subbed and looking forward to more.
THANK YOU so much for your support! I just started that channel last month and with awesome people like you I hope I’ll get to 100k soon enough 😉 already have tons of ideas to work on... so I’m happy to have you onboard! Thanks for spreading the love
Dude! its like Blackmagic wathced your video and made all the improvements you asked for on the 6k PRO! Awesome!
Hahaha… yeah exactly! Thanks for watching
Thanks for taking the long time off of your life to give us a decent technical review.
Thank you so much for the comment, really happy you appreciate the amount of effort that goes into this. Awesome people like you make it all worth it 👍 thanks again
Great video. This is clearest and easiest to understand video I have seen so far about the BMPCC 4K and BMPCC 6K. I am waiting to have my BMPCC 6K delivered. I hope to see more of your videos on the BMPCC 6K.
Really appreciate your compliments. I'm uploading the second part today. So stay tuned 👍
I’m so impressed by your review comparison no one ever did, just subscribed.
I'm editing it as we speak... just took a break to answer the comments ;) I'll releasee tomorrow... crossing fingers I finish it... it's just too long
Best review and comparison of the 4k VS 6k (and I have viewed a lot!) good job.
Morten... I’m flattered with you awesome feedback! Glad you liked my methods and will make sure to only improve and fine tune with every upload. Thanks again
Thank you for this! This is one of the best camera reviews I've seen in years. Bought the 4k version based on your input!
Thanks buddy.. really appreciate your support
Yeah. I was going to get the 6k cause has an EF mount, but your video helped me to really understand the comparative crop factor.
Damn, you take the review concept to a whole new level, man. Great job!
Thank you so much :) I'm trying my best.
Jens8502 Rightly so!
Awesome video. Loving the clear way of showcasing the difference between the two cameras. Keep it up amigo!
Thanks buddy!
Haven’t seen a more detailed video. Thank you for all the effort put in.
Thanks Mr.Kazem, appreciate your support
As always a great video! A few more points to consider in favor of 6k for VFX work
7. If you're capturing wide shots for a chromakey shot, the increased color and spatial resolution can can help you get cleaner edges when keying
8. Higher spatial resolution helps you get more usable features for 3D tracking and extracting geometry from moving shots (photogrammetry)
9. Higher resolution images are more useful for VFX plates (clean backgrounds) and set extensions
Good points ;) thanks again
What a quality! Awesome video for making a conclusion, I'm wondered how you get all the most actual and important info that I've seen from bunch of different sources and combined it into one piece! Good job, keep it up!)
Thanks Vasily, yeah it was a lot of research combined with my experience with the BM4K. Check the other video I just released where I tested both cameras in reality: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
I just saw your subs and I assumed that you had like 100k due to the quality of this video.
Thanks buddy for the flattering comment :) I just launched my channel last month, so yeah just working on it still. Thanks again for the support 😉
The graphics make your video easily understandable. Keep up the good work.
Momchil Yordanov true!
Thank you so much. Great to hear that, already working on another video retaining the same systematic and simple graphics
Couldn't decide between 4K & 6K. Back/forth for @1year. But I didn't know about the LucasAdapter Dynamic until I saw your vid. Now I can confidently buy the 6K. Thx. - I sub'd!
Thanks for making the graphics as well. I really appreciate it. I didn't realize how much the MetaBones contributed to the Crop Factor. That's crazy.
the only video I wanted to see about these two cameras! well done sir ! a really great video !
I use my friend's BMPCC 4K camera, but I own 5 Canon L-Series lenses so I'm buying the BMPCC 6K indeed ! thanks again
ok now I know that your name is sherif mokbel, where are you from sir ? egypt maybe ?
+Abdur-rahman Moustapha thank you sir for the awesome compliments. Yes you got that right ;)
Great Video - Thanks! For people who are thinking about crop factor issues, small detail: In the video at 4:20 the crop factor of the 6k version is actually 1.558x (super-35) and not 1.63x (aps-c).
My calculation is based on diagonal, which is the more correct way to measure crop factors, not horizontal, that's why ;)
@@THEDPJOURNEY I see..... So I'm mistaken, sorry!
@@vetschvideo Camera brands tend to use the horizontal factor probably to make it look like a smaller crop ;)
Well to point this out. RED's Gemini sensor is supposed to do 16.5 Stops vs BMPCC6K 13 Stops. That's a big difference. I prefer Dynamic range over resolution any day If I can.
yeah for sure, but when you consider that those extra 3.5 DR would cost you $23,000 would you still consider RED? In the end of the day, RED and BM have 2 different color sciences and workflow, just looking at the major difference in price would make me wonder why RED is costing that much if another company can produce pretty amazing results in a fraction of the cost.
@@THEDPJOURNEY Why does Hollywood always shoot on Arri? They're very stable cameras. BM has had a lot of bad press for being unstable. I shoot BM myself and I see the issues it has. Honestly, I wish I could afford an Arri Mini. That's a very solid camera. I think also it comes down to engineering. Framerates are also important too. RED isn't trying to compete with BM it's trying to compete with Arri and Sony. BM does have one thing going for it in Hollywood. Due to the price and image, they make great crash cams. I say if you're working with a lower budget, shoot BM, but if you have a higher budget, shoot on something you want to shoot on. I think that they're cameras are more expensive because of the materials to make them and more features.
@@retroradfilms Actually Neither Arri or RED are as reliable as you think. Not sure how often you used them, I did quite a lot, I'll be shooting with the mini next week and I own a RED. IMHO, The main reason (beyond the amazing sensor quality) of why Hollywood is using Arri is the legacy they had since the film days. This company is literally 100 years old, very well established and reliable in that sense. Even RED is not grabbing that considerable market share from Hollywood. Which explains their move to go target the mainstream and the public with affordable cameras. BM is great... and I feel they might change that probably within the next 10 years if they're going with this pace
@@THEDPJOURNEY I work on set all the time here in Atlanta, GA on Netflix shows and movies. I've asked the camera department what they think and most of the time I hear RED and Arri and even Sony. So I guess it's opinion. Have a good day.
@@THEDPJOURNEY Understand I'm not saying BM makes bad cameras, but I 'm a director and I do trust the union Camera department's opinion too.
VERY VERY informative and he even plugs in the best lenses and accessories for the camera.
Thanks for the awesome words and support. Cheers
nicely done. I loved that you mentioned the mainly the good things about each and comparing them. I'm sticking with my 4K as I love vintage lenses.
Thanks buddy for the compliments. Really appreciate your support
what makes the 6k difficult to use vintage lenses with? you can get many different mounts adapted to EF, like M42 for example, no?
Best explanation on these cameras, not seen anything like it elsewhere.
Thank you so much, really happy you liked it.
Actually, DOF will effectively be the same as the 6K when using a speedbooster on the 4K with the same lens at the same focal length. Blackmagic in their comparison image didn’t take into consideration a speedbooster and was showing the same field of view with the same focal length on both cameras, but with the 4K having a smaller MFT sensor, you would have to back the camera out in order to get the same field of view as the 6K, thus reducing the shallow DOF effect on the 4K. Therefore when using the 4K with a speedbooster, you’ll be getting roughly the same FOV and DOF since the distances will be roughly the same from the subject as the crop will be very similar with the speedbooster on the 4K. Sensor size does not change how the physics of light interact with the lens and characteristics of DOF. It’s the focal length, distance from the subject and aperture that effects the DOF. Other than that, great video explaining the pros and cons of the 6K vs the 4K. 4K is still the best deal out of the two cameras in my opinion. A lot more bang for your buck, compared to the 6K.
I actually did that test and you'd be very surprised at my finding. I'm editing that test in my next video coming tomorrow. But yeah, the concept of bigger sensor = shallower depth of field is very widely miss-understood... calls for an episode just for that subject. happy to see knowledgeable viewers like you on the channel. Would love to hear from you again in my next episode.
THE DP JOURNEY Yes, it can get a bit confusing so I can totally see why people can misunderstand the concept. It took me some time to really grasp it as well initially. I’m sure with Metabones XL on the 4K, you can probably get away with an even shallower DOF than the 6K with the same lens with similar framing of the subject. Sounds great. Can’t wait to check out your findings!
@@echelonredmedia6512 for sure if you retain the same FOV, then since the 4K+MB will have a wider FOV, getting closer will result in a shallower DOF and the 6K. But in my test I kept the same exact distance, to be comparing apples to apples as much as possible, even with having a wider FOV on the 4K... retaining the same lens, but only adding the speed boosters.
Why 6K? 7. You can frame for center extracted 4K, avoid lens vignetting, and have room for reframing shots in post if needed. This is how many feature films are made, and why you shoot a framing chart. 8. When working in center extract 4K mode, you have additional information around the sides for camera tracking and stabilization. 9. Allows more options when you need to deliver 2.39, 1.78, 1.85 and 9:16 deliverables. The 1.78 version of a feature film has more picture information than what you saw in the 2.39 theatrical release (or less if the original was anamorphic).
Thanks buddy!!! perfect addition... even though i mentioned #8 already, but 7 and 9 are 👍
I never leave comments on youtube videos, but I want to thank you for this. I'm a subscriber now, and happy to get the 4K or a GH5 as my A now, B later when the 8K beasts start and make 6K look like a footnote. I have the Nikon holy trinity of pro glass and I dreaded getting rid of it to buy Canon EF lenses. It just makes sense to wait for actual fullframe sensors to come out and use this glass on it later.
Again, thanks for making a video that doesn't waste anyone's time and isn't hosted by a tinder frat boy.
I was about to check all my comments and I was greeted with your awesome compliments here Pierre. I'm really humbled by your words and very happy to see that my video guided your decision buddy. I do agree with your decision as that's what also made sense for me. I would actually advise to invest in EF Sigma ones (I'm not sponsored by them by any means). But they have really awesome lenses and their smart adapters work like a charm with all compatible cameras such as teh Panasonic L mount or Sony e-mount.
Again glad to have you onboard... I'm already working on more episodes.
Pierre, there are a few options for Nikon shooters. None with autofocus in Video, unfortunately. For manual focus there are many with a metabones Speed Booster and BM has a Nikon mount option for some of their bigger cameras. The more and more pro you want to be the more you need a positive locking mount to hold the lens rock solid for focus pulls, such as the Emount on the FS7 MK2 or the Metabones Canon EF Cine adapter (the posi-lock mounts are few and far between, apart from cine camera mounts). www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1361385-REG/blackmagic_design_cineursamuprotf_blackmagic_ursa_mini_pro.html
Its 6K 50 FPS. But the rest of the video is just quality pure. Love your work. I bought the Pocket 6K. Its an amazing camera.
Yeah I love it’s color science more than the 4k
This couldn’t be put any clearer. Thanks for putting out this video.
Thanks for your awesome support.
Thank you DP JOURNEY. The best yet of any attempted descriptive, illustrated vids on this subject. This has helped greatly. I'm now subscribed to your channel. I'm checkin' you out, man... thanks again & cool...
Thank you so much for the kind words and support! Glad to have onboard... Stay tuned as I'll be uploading another video right after the weekend.. Cheers
This is the most complete and well explained comparison. Excellent job. Thx for sharing.
Thanks Victor, glad you liked it. I’ll be uploading another 1 today hopefully with comparison between this and the 4K. I just got the camera yesterday. So stay tuned
THE DP JOURNEY: Looking forward to it 👊😊
Thank you for putting in the time for this comparison. Subbed
Thanks so much for the support. I’ll be releasing a new detailed preview for the S1H in the next couple of days. So stay tuned 😉
Solid video my friend, definitely one of the best on the Pocket 6K. Your professionalism (and style) remind me of Gerald Undone. Plenty of subs coming your way!
Thank you so much, really appreciate your support. I should be uploading my final verdict about the camera tomorrow, so stay tune. Thanks again
Excellent breakdown of this insane camera AWESOME VIDEO!
Thanks Ryan for the support. Really appreciate it
This is an EXCELLENT review. Very comprehensive. Good job.
Thanks! After I got my 6K, I'll be Uplaoding the second part hopefully end of the day today. Stay tuned
Knead indeed! It says it all.
Brilliant information, excellent pace, beautiful aesthetics - thank you so much!
Thanks Pascal! You humbled me.. Stay tuned for the next one (hopefully posting today) with my real test comparison since I got the camera.
I own a BMCC is the bomb. I own one and recently shot raw footage in Israel and Egypt. It is awesome. Focus is not as fast as a Canon or Sony. But, the auto focus does work. The BRAW is unbelievable. As long as you don't totally burn it out, you can make it gorgeous.
Totally agree... this camera is awesome. A bit high maintenance, but great
The best video I've seen on the topic. Great job.
Thank you so much Rob! really appreciate your support
Great explanation! I just picked up the 4k used and I’m glad I did!
That makes the 2 of us ;) 6K is good... just not for everyone
Just got a 6k... Initial thoughts, very happy with it. Easy to fly on a gimbal or use as a handheld rig and it can all fit in a large backpack. The footage looks almost identical to the Ursa Mini G2 but with better low-light performance. The image + color-science of this camera is also noticeably better than the 4k.
Yeah I surely prefer the image of 6k over 4k. I compared that in another video actually. Enjoy it buddy. Awesome camera
@@THEDPJOURNEY I'll have to check it out!
Love you man! Inspirational work, just on how you approached the production values of a review video. U Rock!
Really appreciate your supportive words David!
Bro, after watching many reviews, you killed them. All the right points. Just don't dismiss slow motion too much its quite important. Funny to think how far behind RED most are with slowmo.
Thank you so much for the kind compliments. Yeah for sure slow mo is important. I didn’t want the video to be too long though ;)
Thanks again
u can user BRAV with all the RAW options in Premiere with special plugin, and it works amazing and quick.
Yeah I envy premiere users... I mainly use FCPX
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Excellent video! Thank you!
Just a minor correction: For calculating the crop factor the BMPCC4K is 1.9 not 2.0.
Thanks for the comment. I've calculated it based on the physical sensor dimension actually, and measured diagonally. not measured only by width.
I haven't even bought into bmc yet and I'm excited about the new 6k booster... Both cameras for me will be perfect because of the dynamic range editing in davinci and the 6k perfect for punching into shots. Thank you for such an amazing video!
Really appreciate your support. Thanks again
But when we use Adapter, we are losing the quality from the lenses??? I heard about that
Yeah that is true... it all depends on the adapter. Check my other video that discussed that ;) ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
The BMPCC 4K with Metabones XL is not a 1.36x crop factor. You don't subtract 2 - 0.64; you multiply it.
So, the BMPCC 4K with the Speedbooster XL is 1.9 (the BMPCC 4K is slightly bigger than true MFT, with a 1.9x crop factor, not a 2x) * 0.64 = 1.216x crop factor, which is even closer to FF and considerable apart from the 1.56x crop factor of the BMPCC 6K.
So, a 50mm on the 4K w/speedbooster would be a 60.8mm, and on the 6K would be a 75mm. That is quite the difference.
For me, that is the main advantage of the BMPCC 4K, along with BRAW @ 4K DCI. Sure, BRAW @ 6K DCI is super nice, but even at 12:1, you start to get considerably larger files. Storing that can get complicated real fast.
Nice video, man!
hey Israel, thanks for the comment, about the crop factors, I would urge you to do the calculation yourself mainly taking into account the actual sensor dimensions and measuring the Crop factor based on the diagonal length of the sensor. Check this article that can help you in how to calculate it: bit.ly/2YTcnVQ
That's how i got my numbers basically, which is a standard way of calculating crop factors. Most people do the mistake of taking the width only and basing it on that, which doesn't make sense since the sensor is 2 dimensional.
totally agree on the second point you mentioned... Check my other video where I got the camera and did the actual comparison to discover some more stuff: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
Thanks again buddy
Still just going to wait for the Sharp 8k with ibs and a fully articulating screen.
Yeah I'll wait for that too 👍
Completely another kind of camera, BMPCC 6K is a cinema camera the sharp 8k will far far far far away from a cinema camera
Cmon .... Don’t be such a cheapskate . 🤣 you’re missing out lol 😝
i jumped the gun and sold my bmpcc4k for the bmpcc6k, but wish i hadn't. A lot of things I didn't research enough or count on. I can no longer record braw at 50fps on an internal SD card for one (unless they enable 4k braw down the track). And all the other points you mentioned about speed boosters etc. buyer's remorse.
Hey, yeah i don't think they'll enable that 4K Raw in the future, the reason behind that I will be sharing in my next full review. Hopefully dropping by tomorrow. Just finishing some touches in it here and there. Stay tuned
Watching this in 2022 is fascinating. 6k Pro. New batteries. Brighter tilting screen. Gyro stabilisation
I know!!
Dude this review is so good 👌 I got to watch it again . I'll be leaving another comment after I watch it again .
Thanks a lot for your words of encouragement! Glad you liked it
Great review. I am presently debating the 4K vs the 6K camera. I have canon glass so am leaning to the 6K. I want to get my hands on Resolve. I hear a lot of good things about it.
Check my other video where i did an actual comparison: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html maybe it'll help you make your final decision
What about the DOF of 4k when you pair it with a speedbooster? I assume the DOF of 4k+speedbooster should be better than DOF of 6k, since the FOV is wider for 4k+speedbooster.
Hey buddy, Check my other video where i did the actual comparison: BlackMagic 6k Vs 4k IN-DEPTH COMPARISON + My Thoughts ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
I think image quality is substancially better in the BMPCC 6K because of the bigger sensor. The optical resolution capabilities displayed on a speed boosted MFT sensor don't even come close to a super 35 one. I think the compression is just tu much and worths the upgrade.
it is surely better. I agree. Keep in mind Metabones released a new speedbooster just for BM4K. Which has a superior quality than the one I used in my comparison here: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html Again, if the FOV and lens compatibility is not an issue for you. Then for sure go to the 6K.
Very detailed review. Thanks for this.
Appreciate your support... next video will drop tomorrow about the actual comparison as I have the camera now. very nice findings.stay tuned
This is what I call a review. Great job
That was actually the “Preview” hahaha... this is the review BlackMagic 6k Vs 4k IN-DEPTH COMPARISON + My Thoughts ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
man this comparison was sooo helpful in my choice man. Yes the 4k is amazing but if the metabones is 650 you're paying like 2000 dollars minus buying + monitors rig volt battery, etc. If you were to set them both up you'd be saving around 6-700 dollars buying the 4k. that's just something to think about thanks man!
Totally agree...
Very detailed and useful info, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
In the music video "breeze" at timecode 01:27 there is sequence which is noisy, why is that?
+Orhan Sokoli that clip needed a very high dynamic range as the end of the corridor was bright and the corridor itself was dark. So the corridor was a bit under exposed and I had to lift it in post which showed the noise a bit
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thanks for ur response! But all in all you have made a great job! Congratulations to your work!
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thank you for your response! As I understood it is because u had to lift its ISO (lighiting) in post, because it wasn't engough light on the Set? Thanks Bro.
@@choose2behappy699 not exactly... I kept the ISO as is, I only lifted the blacks, so the ISO becomes more prominent. Keep in mind I also added grain in post, which could also be what you're seeing ;)
I guess they didn't make the second screw mount cause it would be obsolete anyway since this is not designed to be handheld, despite the fact that it looks like DSLR. To be honest I don't know what they went through designing the form. Maybe they just thought to sell these to vloggers as vloggers are a huge market these days. Even when these definitely aren't vlogging cameras. Also, the flipscreen - or screen at all for that matter - isn't something cinema cameras usually provide, so I've always kept the screen in these a huge bonus.
Yeah I don't think this was designed for Vlogger since it has no flip screen, a crucial feature for vloggers of course... but more for indie filmmakers, probably a bigger market nowadays.
Well done!
Loving the low light capabilities of mine too!!
Thanks Jesse. Really appreciate your support.
Do you tend to shoot on the GH5 and BMPCC4K most of the time? What would you recommend for a budding filmmaker and content producer?
Hey Danyal, yeah Gh5 and BM4k are my go to cameras at the moment. Gh5 is more for a quick run and gun or fast paced shoot, BM is for more planned and scripted shoot as it's higher maintenance.
THE DP JOURNEY Hey man - and the huge advantage being that the glass, speedbooster and everything works on each one too... :D. I’ll be swapping to it as I do more video than stills work anyway... I think :D
4:23 The crop of the BMPCC 4K sensor is not 2X (compared to "full frame"), it is slightly less. Even though the lens mount is MFT the sensor size is larger (four thirds)... Nice video, but make sure to have your specs in order. 🙂
I'm measuring it diagonally, I believe your calculation is based on the horizontal only, which would not be accurate as you need to account for both dimensions. WXH, that's a very common miss-information actually. Thanks for the support 👍
@@THEDPJOURNEY So I understand better; what are the actual numbers you used? Did you compare using the same (or different) aspect ratios? To my thinking it is enough to use the horisontal measurement; as long as you (in the end) are using the whole width of the sensor... With the Pocket 4K camera I can see that this way of thinking might be a problem if you would use an aspect ratio of 16:9 since not the whole width of the sensor will be utilized. In this case the sensor crops the sides, while shooting 16:9 on a "Full Frame"-still camera (Canon 5d) it would crop top and bottom... 🤔
@@DUST35 I would refer you to this article as their explanation covers everything: bit.ly/2YTcnVQ
The only simple answer I would say about measuring only the horizontal... is that your image is 2 dimentional. So you need to account for both. With your rational, if a camera theoretically can shoot an image of 4K width but 1 pixel in hight, then would this be a 4K image? Your equation would say yes... but with my equation of accounting for both dimensions, then surely it's not a 4K. Hope that helps clarify
Cropfactor of bmpcc4k is 1.9 using metabones 0.64 is 1.2 so..
@@andreev_films Exactly! 1.9x crop in full DCI 4K resolution and 2x crop in 4K UHD (16:9) resolution (compared to "full frame") 🙂
Great info! You really helped me make a decision between 4K and 6K. Subbed...
Cheers man.... stay tuned of you want to see part 2 where I tested the cameras... some pretty interesting finds actually
This review has been very useful sir thank you ! You got yourself a new subscriber 🙂
Thanks and welcome aboard
I'm not so sure about the low light performance since the size of the pixels is probably the same (larger sensor but higher resolution...). Maybe, because it's a new sensor, at the higher iso 6k would performe better but I'm doubtful. Would love to see your comparison.
I already posted the new video, check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html
This is great! But I'm still not convinced about the no-IBIS critique. Its advantage over mirrorless cameras is that it is a cinema camera at a tiny fraction of the price of a normal cinema camera (which also would not have IBIS), and its price is its advantage over bigger cinema cameras (which would have more DR, but still, would be at least 10k more). So, I would think that someone looking for a cinema camera would already be thinking of setting up a v-mount battery and a rig and not fretting over no IBIS. I'm guessing the interior of the camera body is packed with mechanisms that support the superior image processing and a larger body would need to be designed to facilitate 5 axis IBIS around the m43 or s35 sensors. Though TBH, that would be amazing. It would be a treat to just grab this camera and run with it and not take the time to set up the rig and v-mount battery! There are situations that call for this. But I'm pretty much expecting to have to deck it out.
Yeah, well my point is that even cinema cameras now are starting to move to IBIS... there's no norm for not having IBIS in cine cams, it's not a sign of PRO level. It's a feature that a lot love and you can switch it off after all if you really don't want it. In other words, I would pay more to have it ;)
I get you point when comparing crop factors... but although MB xl increases the frame of view, the focus loses sharpness, I'm I not correct?
In fact the image would be a bit sharper with XL. Keep in mind I tested it in my other video ua-cam.com/video/IBO-D-30teU/v-deo.html while Metabones already released speedboosters that work better on the BMP4K than the ones already out there for m43
Great video! Keep on the great work!
Cheers
A minor detail you might have missed is when you read or say a number after the decimal, you say one number at a time. I.e. crop factor of 1.63 and 1.29 are spoken like "One point six three" and "One point two nine" and not as you were saying in this video as "One point sixty three etc".
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Amazing content, thank you for making this easy to differentiate!
Happy you liked it.. cheers
Why not a Sony mirrorless mount? I seriously don't understand why they went with a Canon mount!
Well sony doesnt really offer any advantages. The EF is due to the popularity of the EF lenses. The RF just ha a alot of new features, taking advantage of the flange distance that was cut short
Hey!
I have the GEMINI too and seriously this new blackmagic 6k is killing the RED market haha.. I'm a bit lost with my RED now.. it's already loosing so much money omg
Yeah man! I hear you! I felt the same. Once they released the 4K and I was blown away by it. And now I feel I'll be selling my RED soon
@@THEDPJOURNEY Once they bring out a 8K version, then I may sell my RED Epic-W...…….but until then I still love my RED!
Great review. Very helpful. Think I’ll opt for the 2 x 4Ks with Metabones XL - EF to MFT adaptor and a nice set of Sigma primes along with an 18 - 35mm zoom. All in will be an amazing price for a very capable 2 camera set-up.
That sounds like a great setup for sure 👍Keep in mind Metabones just released an updated version just for Blackmagic.So might be the best choice for it. Unless you have other M43 cameras, then you can get the original one they had
THE DP JOURNEY thanks for the heads up on that. I don’t have MFT lenses but think I want to stay with EF mounting flexibility on other bodies or if I do get a BMC6K at some point. Then it should all work without another big lens upgrade.
very nicely done video bro! So informative !
Thank you so much Alec. Happy you found it informative
As a VFX artist I wouldn't be thanking anyone for giving me 6K plates - instead I'd be crying over the insurmountable task of building 6K comps :D
Hahaha... I know what you mean. But as you know, you’ll be rotoscoping on the 6K footage, then take that comp to your FHD project 😉
Comprehensive comparison, great job, thanks
Thanks Ahmed, appreciate your support
How did debayering and down sampling / over sampling not make it into the pros list of why 6K?
Yup.. totally true. Missed that one
@@THEDPJOURNEY No worries. I didn't even see anyone mention in the comments. Great content though, love the graphics.
Thanks Aaron, glad you liked the content
Hi and thanks for your content.
can we say that the quality of the 4k is much better on the bmpcc 6k as we take advantage of a larger censor?
Does having the metabones with the biggest fov not make us lose resolution on the 4k?
Thanks to take Time with your us and engaging.
A little piece of information for those so eager to shoot 6k RAW - using 1TB SSD with BMPCC 4K to shoot DCI 4K RAW lets you shoot exactly 154 minutes, I imagine it will be even less with 6K RAW.
great to know thanks
I think the reason BM got wonky with the RAW/ProRes resolution combinations is because they didn't want to cannibalize the pocket 4k line. For now, I will stick with my 4K, 12 bit, RAW footie and upgrade in a year or two when the price drops.
yeah I'm pretty much doing the same... SHould upload a video today about that after I got my 6K and compared it. There will be some interesting thiugts I'll share there as well if you'll stay tuned
@@THEDPJOURNEY of course, just sifted through your videos and love your work! Def subbed.
@@taylor91192 Thanks buddy, appreciate your support
I find it really disappointing that BlackMagic is making the 6K owners choose between shooting 6K in BRAW OR 4K in ProRes. I can't for the life of me understand why there's no option to shoot 4K or even 1080p in BRAW. It's got to be a pretty simple software switch, but I'd really like to know what the reason is.
Still, I really like the directions that BlackMagic is taking the industry. If not for the BMPCC4K, RED wouldn't be teasing their "less ridiculously expensive" 6K camera. Kinefinity might not be a thing. And competition is only good for the consumer.
Next on my wishlist for a PCC will be to split the PCC product into two versions. One with an articulating screen and IBIS and a larger battery. The other, with SDI out, 6K (or even 8K), 14 stops of dynamic range, real anamorphic modes, and better color scopes on board. And both of these levels of functionality should come in EITHER m43 or EF (or even better RF) lens mounts.
This means that one version could be for gimbal using, vlogger and more on-the-run shooting, while the other is for more serious build-out cinematic film maker use. Hey, a boy can dream.
What you cannot forget is the fact that Davinci Resolve comes free with the camera (otherwise 300 bucks) and as far as I know this program is capable of converting BRAW files into prores, so it might be an extra step but definitely possible. Also, who knows maybe the ability to record prores will come with a new firmware update
@@ryushev2000 There currently is no codec that supports a 6K ProRes. Apple would have to create one. Which they may already be doing, and might be in a future firmware. The $300 full Resolve certainly isn't lost on me. It was the a wonderful extra for a camera I would have bought anyway (the 4K). And it's currently the ONLY option we have for working with BRAW. I'll assume that Premiere will eventually either support it or Media Encoder will accept it for transcode. But I'm trying to migrate 100% to Resolve anyway.
@@goodeggproductions If it really is on Apples end, then I seriously dont get why everyone is complaining. Also with how good braw is why would you use anything else, especially when storage such as the samsung t5 is dirt cheap
@@ryushev2000 The only problem is the overhead of being restricted to using Resolve for any manipulation. For some, it's still a daunting proposition to switch editing suites, even if it's better. For example, I use Resolve for putting together short films, but I still use Premiere for doing multi-cam and green-screen shots, only because I'm more comfortable with it and haven't taken the time to learn to do it on Resolve. But now that 16 is full release, I'm planning to make that switch. What's really weird though is that for 4K and under, ProRes is the ONLY option. Why not allow us 4K BRAW on the 6k camera like we can do on the 4k camera?? It makes no sense.
@@goodeggproductions The reason why there's no 4K raw in that camera cuz the 4K is a downsample, while RAW would never be a downsample, since it's "raw". RAW is always a 1:1 pixel to pixel ratio. once you downsample, then it's processed... then to save it into a different format now. They can technically offer a 4K raw if they window the sensor, which they did in their 5.7K windowed version, but the 4K would be a steep crop that no one would use
Thanks for the great comparison... BM really is onto something here. The pocket 4k has revulotionized the way i work with AMAZING BRAW with superb Quality. They basically need to keep improving... imagine a FF 15Stops 6k75fps camera with BMRAW, Canon EF-Mount, Built in ND, better Battery and Tiltable screen for 4k or something, maybe even with IBIS if they can muster the R&D for it... it would ruin the entire competition... :))) (Yeah, Sony and Panasonic too.... :)...)
Oh WOW!!! that would be a dream camera!!! believe me... they have the tech to do it
First video I've seen from you. Instant sub! Hope to see more!
Thank you so much for the support... yeah I just launched the channel very recently. Really glad you liked it. I have a long list of videos I'll be posting. So stay tuned 👍I'll be posting the second part of thsi video tomorrow hopefully in all cases
Thanks for this breakdown! I appreciate the extent of details here.
I'll be posting the second part of it since I got the camera and was doing some live testing with it
THE DP JOURNEY Great! I’ll look forward to it!
Great video!!!!you totally got me convinced.
Appreciate your kind support
AMAZING DETAILS !!!!!! MAKES IT MORE EASIER TO CHOOSE. THANKS!
Cheers! Will upload the next video about it today since I got the camera. Will have some interesting thoughts
@@THEDPJOURNEY EXCELLENT !!! Cant Wait.
Great video. The Pocket 4k actually has a slightly larger sensor than standard MFT and its crop factor is around 1.8 (not 2), with a speedbooster it amounts to 1.28 and with the XL speedbooster 1.15, getting pretty close to full frame territory
hey Oren, I'm curious to know where you got this information, cuz based on the sensor size dimensions I got from their website (18.96mm x 10mm), the crop factor is precisely 2.02
@@THEDPJOURNEY a standard MFT sensor is 17.3 x 13.0, so slightly smaller than the pocket 4k. how did you calculate the crop factor?
@@oren.kirschenbaum This is the equation i used: Sqrt(Wl^2+Hl^2)/Sqrt(Ws^2+Hs^2) which is the standard I would say. Also that's based on their info from their website about the sensor dimension. 18.96mm x 10mm. I prefer to calculate things myself since there's a lot of misleading info out there that are not from the official source
@@THEDPJOURNEY what value did you use as FF sensor size as reference? the result I'm getting is more like 1.9 (if I use standard FF sensor width)
@@oren.kirschenbaum FF as 24X36. Keep in mind there isn't any camera manufacturer in this world that respects those standards. What BM claim is Super 35, is simple a approximation. In the end of the day, you're talking within a 0.1 decimal, I'm trying to look at the bigger picture where the value of the X is changing, not just its decimal you know?
Great video! Ima BIG fan!
Thanks Gerry, really appreciate your support> Will be releasing the Full review hopefully tomorrow...
4k 5k 6k, it's irrelevant, those cameras look soo good in quality, it's really hard to tell. we live in the best time.
“We live in the best time” totally agree
As a delivery format, agreed. Anything 4k and up is irrelevant (for the most part) but as an acquisition format the flexibility that 6k offers for reframing, stabilization, and VFX is an incredible asset and save thousands of dollars in the long run on productions.
@@TimWhite oh yeah def. especially if you are shooting a movie. 6k is awesome
Great review. This is the best overview and comparison of these cameras I have seen. As a fellow Gemini owner, I wouldn't go so far as to say I'd be moved to sell mine, but these cameras definitely do a great job. I still prefer the Gemini, as well as the RED raw workflow that can be used in all NLE's, which is a big advantage over BRAW so far--though I really like editing in DaVinci when I can. However, I still feel these cameras have a touch of the DSLR look as they lack the dynamic range of the more expensive cinema cameras. But, for the money, they really do shine, and look better than any of the competitors in or near that price range. Even compared to cameras twice or three times the price. I would be curious to see how well or not the BM6K camera footage matches up with the Gemini in post. It might be a good B-cam for gimbal shots and such. Would love to see a video where it's compared to the Gemini, and how the footage matches up or not. Thanks again, you have a new sub here!
Totally agree... yeah as a RED Gemini owner as well I felt insulted with a camera for 2500 shooting higher res and VERY GOOD image quality. I was planning to compare it further... but didn't want to spend much time on it honestly since I'm not keeping it.
Thanks man!!! great content!!!!
Glad you liked it!
Great review, thank you very much!
Cheers... Happy you liked it ;)
@@THEDPJOURNEY absolutely, you just saved me to spend too much money. I think i will just buy the 4K..
Hi... Did you ever get your hands on the Lucadaptor magic booster?
No, it didn’t seem right honestly. The company didn’t look legit enough to go ahead and test it on my camera
@@THEDPJOURNEY Thank you for the info.
What if we apply a speed booster to the 6k ?
I am really curious to know that .
That would be awesome... I just wish that speed booster exists
@@THEDPJOURNEY will it ever come to existence then ?
I believe that powerful influencer & content creator will push companies they will make it.
@@avinashrawal7928 Let's put some pressure on them ;)
@@THEDPJOURNEY ready when you are ,,,, anyday you need my help to put some more pressure i will be there ♥️