BMCC6K VS BMPCC 6K PRO | Comparison between the new Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K and 6K Pro

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    Here is a comparison between the new Cinema Camera 6K and the BMPCC6K Pro.
    Since I’ve started to share content using the new camera one of the most popular questions I received was “How does it compare to the 6K Pro” or "Should I upgrade from the 6K Pro to the new one.”
    So I thought I would make this video to hopefully help you make a decision.
    In this video I focus on Theirs similarities, The differences , The pros of each of these cameras. And share my thoughts on whether or not I think it is worth the upgrade, or which one I think you should get.
    I will also show you what the same focal lengths and lenses look like on both cameras.
    As well as a quick Rolling Shutter comparison.
    Let me know if you have any questions :).
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  • @OfTwoLands
    @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +19

    Here is a comparison between the new Cinema Camera 6K and the BMPCC6K Pro.
    Which one would you pick and why?
    Cheers,
    Flo

    • @waveland
      @waveland 8 місяців тому +6

      I will retire my 6K Pro as soon as the CC arrives on my workbench, for the following reasons: I prefer the flexibility of open gate filming and plan to shed all my 16/17:9 cameras over the next year. Internal CFExpress is a huge improvement over strapping SSDs to the rig, plus this frees up the USB-C for networking and upcoming integration with the new cloud workflow. The automatic proxies will also allow me to travel lighter for remote editing-at worst an even trade off with packing NDs. Plus having larger photo sites definitely matters for image quality. Rolling shutter? The difference compared with the 6K Pro seems negligible even at open gate, but what happens when filming 17:9? I bet the difference disappears. The CC 6k is definitely my camera of choice between the two.

    • @evanthecameraman
      @evanthecameraman 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@waveland Great points! For my workflow, the 6K Pro is here to stay until something better comes along. The internal ND in my niche is invaluable as I am constantly moving from interior to exterior shots. Also, ProRes is the flavor of choice for many companies I currently work with as they are not all familiar or comfortable with BRAW files.
      The full frame is a welcome addition but I feel is just a stepping stone into the L-mount. The next camera bodies will definitely be more feature packed I'm sure and bring some of those necessities I have into them. But for me, the CC is lacking in a few departments that just don't give it the edge. Cheers!

    • @waveland
      @waveland 8 місяців тому +1

      @@evanthecameraman I will deliver ProRes as needed, but much prefer to gather the underlying color data in BRAW. Then fine tune. Then render the required codec. To me it’s a fail safe against operator error.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      @@waveland Totally agree, I shoot BRAW 90% of the time for that reason now.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      @@waveland Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts!! This new cam definitely has a lot going for it.

  • @WinfordM
    @WinfordM 8 місяців тому +32

    The biggest improvement was them dropping the work “pocket” 😂.

  • @dougfranckwolf
    @dougfranckwolf 8 місяців тому +22

    Mines on order, cant wait to get it. I already have the 6kPro as well, so its the both of best worlds. 6kpro for outside work with the built in NDs, and inside the 6kCC for shallower depth of field and more image without having to back up against a wall to even try and frame a shot. As a narrative filmmaker, they both fit the bill perfectly. Thanks so much for this comparison.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Congrats!! Thanks for watching and for sharing your reasons for owning the two. Happy shooting!

    • @ValentinaTheCreator
      @ValentinaTheCreator 8 місяців тому

      And or, you can always just buy ND filters as theyre not that expensive, and you'll get a full frame open gate/anamorphic footage without any attachment. nd filters, battery, storage are easily add-ons for me. The only issue is the 6k footage staying at 30 fps whereas the 6k pro at 60fps, of course if you want that shot. Than I'll the 6k pro for that instance.

  • @hirothehero_jp
    @hirothehero_jp 8 місяців тому +45

    Man, excited to see the PRO version of the Cine6K FF.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +3

      Haha me too, that’d be amazing!!

    • @A388Flyer
      @A388Flyer 8 місяців тому +3

      That empty space in the file format/shooting menu beside Blackmagic Raw is screaming for ProRes (or something else to come) in future firmware updates.

    • @matthewchee
      @matthewchee 8 місяців тому +1

      When will its pro version be out?

    • @Swexicaan
      @Swexicaan 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@matthewcheeI'd guess a year or two

    • @loiccardenas3980
      @loiccardenas3980 8 місяців тому +3

      It’ll be called the LUMIX S1H II hehehe

  • @JosephMcBrayer
    @JosephMcBrayer 8 місяців тому +2

    Always helpful info & experience here -- thanks Flo!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the positive feedback!!

  • @GDFilmsLondon
    @GDFilmsLondon 8 місяців тому +2

    Hi Flo, very nice video as usual. Many thanks for your great work. I ordered my bmcc6k the same day it was announced. I will be using it alongside S5Il for FF L lenses and adapted EF. Also keeping my bmpcc4k and GH5ll for longer reach, portability and direct live streaming. The NDs on the 6k pro have a magenta shift and I returned it back. Instead using matte box or NISI circular NDs. I am using BM since the OG, I fell in love with the image. I don't mind making any camera work if it gives me a beautiful image. I was considering the 12K, but now waiting to receive my 6KFF with anticipation and I think I will be very happy with it. Take care, George

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Hey, thanks for watching and for the positive feedback!! And congrats on the getting the new 6K I think you'll be pretty happy indeed :) Such a beautiful image in such a small body!

  • @MrMick560
    @MrMick560 7 місяців тому +2

    Really nice video, very well made, precise, and informative, many thanks, Mick.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  7 місяців тому

      Thanks so much for the positive feedback!!

  • @quantumimagesQC
    @quantumimagesQC 8 місяців тому +1

    The OLPF is a MUST. I got a Rawlite OLPF for my URSA G2 as soon as it was available. It was a game changer.

  • @AllThingsFilm1
    @AllThingsFilm1 8 місяців тому +11

    Having used the BMPCC4K, I can say that I love working with BRAW. Even though the 6K Pro has internal ND's, the Cinema 6K has the OLPF filter which reduces moire and IR pollution. Personally, as a filmmaker, I think rolling shutter has been blown out of proportion. Shots where there is a lot of horizontal whipping left to right would not end up in my edit. Even a whip pan would have RS that 99.9% of your audience wouldn't even notice. If you're only making your content for yourself, then sure, rolling shutter might bother you. But, if you're sharing your content with the outside world, most people would not likely notice rolling shutter much less care about it.

    • @matthewhartman7176
      @matthewhartman7176 7 місяців тому

      There's a lot of factors we filmmakers give credence to in order to justify our spending habits that general audiences neither notice nor care about. Rolling shutter is only one of them.
      The problem with this is that often the most important factor is overshadowed, which is the story. It's truly putting the cart before the horse, but we continue to engage in GAS to fill in the voids of missing skillset.
      Too much importance on what we're filming with rather than what we're filming. Contrary to popular belief, it's the pros that mostly get caught up in this.

    • @hellotoddsky
      @hellotoddsky 5 місяців тому

      Absolutely agree with the rolling shutter part. The normal consumer doesn't even know it exists, let alone notice it. Sometimes we sadly get too hung up on quite irrelevant things instead of simply creating. Camera companies use this to make us buy new gear every year even though we don't need it in 90% of the cases.

  • @horchata6622
    @horchata6622 3 місяці тому +1

    Thanks so much for this. SUPER thorough video.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  3 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching ☺️🙏

  • @mistafussi7813
    @mistafussi7813 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this comparison. Much appreciated.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Glad you liked it!! Thanks for watching ☺️

  • @MrGabbass
    @MrGabbass 8 місяців тому +3

    Hi thanks for your videos!!! I have one question, how does it look compared to the 6k pro or even to the 4k what you crop the sensor for super 35 on 4k? Does it still keep a better image quality since it would use a larger sensor for the same resolution?

  • @GDFilmsLondon
    @GDFilmsLondon 8 місяців тому +1

    My one is arriving this afternoon! I am so exited 😆

  • @raymondmenard5444
    @raymondmenard5444 8 місяців тому +2

    Wow ! Thank you for making and sharing this video, it's really well done and shows clearly the difference between the 2 cameras. But i agree with you it will be a tough choice to make: Personally i'm always drawn to full frame cameras for any applications mainly because FF has better resolution and less noise, but it also simplifies the lens choice and not having to convert focal length in my head before fitting a lens on the body. But When more focal length is needed then of course the smaller sensors have the upper hand. But in this particular case, not having the built-in ND and slower available frame rates just might be a show stopper for me. I'll have to really think about it, but your video will help me decide for sure.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the positive feedback and for watching!!
      Really is a tough choice for sure.

  • @phanatiksent
    @phanatiksent 8 місяців тому +1

    I love watching your videos, reviews, and filming. Great stuff. We appreciate you. I already have the 6K Pro, and I need another camera. I'm getting myself more into shorts and narratives. My dilemma is between the FF and Canon R5 C.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks so much!! If you want to get into shorts and narrative I would highly suggest a dedicated cinema/video camera.
      Getting another BM camera would also makes sense to match the two.

    • @phanatiksent
      @phanatiksent 8 місяців тому

      Thanks for replying. I also looked at the Nisi Athena Cinema lenses with the BMCC 6KFF. Would that even work being L mount? I'll do that if they become available to rent before committing. Thanks again... the other thing is the color science debate BM vs. Canon @@OfTwoLands

  • @JonathanPalfrey
    @JonathanPalfrey 8 місяців тому +3

    Great comparison. Tempted to pick up the FF mainly for shooting 4:3 Super35mm. Having a 4K 4:3 image to work from would actually be more useful than the 6K, slightly smaller Super35 sensor of the Pro.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks!! Having 4:3 S35 and 3x2 6K OG in this new camera is pretty cool and very flexible.

  • @crazyleg2006
    @crazyleg2006 Місяць тому

    Good video! Thanks for making it.

  • @BaconMoustache
    @BaconMoustache 8 місяців тому +1

    That image pop on the FF is really noticeable, this was incredibly informative.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching :)

  • @Hand_Held_Productions
    @Hand_Held_Productions 8 місяців тому

    Thank you very much for the comparison. How about low light performance?

  • @filmbyakiljoefield
    @filmbyakiljoefield 8 місяців тому +21

    This is an incredible review, very detailed and straight to the point, I agree it can be a tough decsion to make but I'm leaning more towards the 6k Cinema Camera, that Full Frame and image quality alone is enough to pursuade me!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +2

      Really glad you enjoyed it, thank you!! The new 6K is definitely an impressive cam :)

  • @BaconMoustache
    @BaconMoustache 8 місяців тому +1

    Who knew engagement would lead to you making a video that answers all my questions! 😂 Thanks Flo! Another great breakdown.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Haha thanks for stopping by ☺️🙏

  • @Thatsmantas
    @Thatsmantas 8 місяців тому +14

    I think it would be nice to compare it to the Panasonic S5 II X because it has an L-mount, it's full-frame, and it can record in ProRes and BRAW. Additionally, it features phase autofocus instead of contrast-based autofocus. At this price point, it might be a deciding factor.

    • @mabitzz9484
      @mabitzz9484 7 місяців тому

      It can’t record pro res…

    • @Thatsmantas
      @Thatsmantas 7 місяців тому

      ProRes RAW only with Atomos Ninja @@mabitzz9484

    • @Smorfar
      @Smorfar 4 місяці тому

      @@mabitzz9484it can but only 1080p internally

  • @robertper4102
    @robertper4102 8 місяців тому +2

    I can see this being an additional camera. I currenty own a BMPCC4k and I feel the FF6k to be a great addition to the camera stash. I really could see me using the FF6k as a main and the 4k for B-roll and secondary shots. (for client work I've been doing coroporate interviews) I do love the open gate, it gives me 70mm IMAX film vibes. The field of view with a FF sensor gets me excited also. That's a big drawback for me with the Pocket4k. I use vintage Canon FD lenses and constanly wish I could have a bigger flied of view. The FF6k fits that bill really nice.

    • @damiansciberras
      @damiansciberras 8 місяців тому

      I am in a real similar position and use the same set up!!

  • @tarekstatico
    @tarekstatico 8 місяців тому +1

    Looking forward to the Pro version of this new camera. Great review and comparison footage! Really puts the full frame into perspective.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +2

      Thanks mate!! A Pro version would be amazing, probably needs a new body though.

  • @collinausbury
    @collinausbury День тому

    Revisited this video with the crazy sale on B&H. Thank you for going so in depth with the comparison! Loving the image. Are you still using the FF in light of the new PYXIS and CINE 12K coming out?

  • @Indieblackmagic
    @Indieblackmagic 7 місяців тому +1

    I just purchased this camera (I was so excited that it was finally available) and it’s arriving in a few days! I have a question for you though. How is the super 35 mode? Does it still retain the same depth of field, image, low noise floor, and lowlight performance as open gate since it’s on the full frame sensor? Basically I’m asking if it becomes a juiced out 6k pro on the super 35 mode, or does the noise floor and problems of the 6k pro start to sneak in?

  • @loiccardenas3980
    @loiccardenas3980 8 місяців тому +2

    Great video mate! I just love seeing the L Mount Alliance grow, so many options and having the same mount is just a breezy. Have you tried the Sigma FP?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks mate!! I haven’t no, I actually considered it as a b cam/travel cam years ago but didn’t pull the trigger.

    • @loiccardenas3980
      @loiccardenas3980 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands gotcha, I'm looking at different options as to what I shall acquire in the very near future, I was thinking of getting the S5iix and pairing it with a FP but with this release from Blackmagic I'm thorn haha.
      Also, this might just be me but since I don't like filming with SSDs too much I think the addition/replacement of the CFexpress to the BMCC is a top notch addition!

  • @Breonnick
    @Breonnick 8 місяців тому

    Ty for this review. Its nice to hear the oros and cons from some one who used both cameras instead of youtubers being salty that black magic didnt give them one early.
    Ff is the obvious choice for me because it has more variety of choices of lenses to pick 5 then of the 6k pro, which feels like more lens brands are moving away ftom ef mounts every day.

  • @aspensplace3293
    @aspensplace3293 14 днів тому +1

    Very thorough review.

  • @thegospelcallTGC
    @thegospelcallTGC 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you very much for the informative video. God bless.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching ☺️🙏

  • @Lumin8Productions
    @Lumin8Productions 8 місяців тому

    Great video - appreciate the effort. One question though - at 2:39sec why was the sensor comparison shown like that. The Ef mount is larger that the Leica mount, but it appears to be cropped in less making the sensor seem way smaller than it supposed to be. Just an observation.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!! I grabbed the images from the actual BM website and they were for illustration purposes hence why I wrote down the real dimensions :)

  • @westwoodmanorfilms7779
    @westwoodmanorfilms7779 8 місяців тому +1

    Flo - Thanks so much for for this detailed comparison. It is very helpful! Sounds like you really like the image quality of this camera. I know you have shot with the 12k as well. How would you say that the 6kFF stacks up against the 12k for image quality. Thanks again for your thoughts.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks so much for watching!! I haven't shot with the 12K in a while so it hard to say for me. They are both beautiful and above the Pocket line. Maybe I prefer the new 6K because of the sensor size :)

  • @TheDumontShow
    @TheDumontShow 8 місяців тому

    the footgae shot on these are incredible. especially the Pro. but is a worthy upgrade over the old 6k G2?

  • @DeanHarringtonimages
    @DeanHarringtonimages 8 місяців тому

    Good presentation on the differences between the 6k pro and 6k full-frame!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thank you!! Glad you liked it ☺️

  • @keef69
    @keef69 4 місяці тому

    Very nice. How about a metabones on the 6k pro .. to have a simulated sensor size of the same height as the FF ? Would it compare nicely, regarding the image uality / separation ?

  • @mauricioli3901
    @mauricioli3901 8 місяців тому +1

    Great comparison, hope to see more.
    👍🏻📸☀️☕🌴🌋🏝

  • @nebukadnezzar3578
    @nebukadnezzar3578 8 місяців тому +2

    Really good video!! Just one question not many people seem to talk about, do the lower resolution options imply a windowed/cropped sensor area? Thanks a lot for your efforts :)

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks a lot!! I think anything that is not in 6K (ie s35 4K) has a crop or uses a windowed sensor.

    • @nebukadnezzar3578
      @nebukadnezzar3578 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLandsThanks a lot for clarifying :)

  • @joenicklo
    @joenicklo 8 місяців тому

    Great video. The slimming down of the body is a nice addition but its just still not a big enough of an upgrade to warrant ME picking it up.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!! And that’s fair ☺️

  • @chicojuanito395
    @chicojuanito395 7 місяців тому

    Did they fix the major issues from the previous 6k? The random audio drift? did it get ibis?

  • @christiancavazos4358
    @christiancavazos4358 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi! Great video! What anamorphic lens did you use on the full frame camera?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  7 місяців тому

      Thanks!! Great Joys :)

  • @TheLillianYoung
    @TheLillianYoung 8 місяців тому

    I'm surprised they dropped the NDs! I have the 4K and was considering the 6K Pro recently. I'm glad I didn't upgrade.

  • @ArchetypeCinemaLLC
    @ArchetypeCinemaLLC 7 місяців тому +1

    Love the Video. Getting ready to pick up the Full Frame. Do you know if the Camera Cages that you own are compatible with the new Full Frame 6k? If so do you have a recommendation for a Cage? Thank you and I hope you have a lovely day and happy shooting.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  7 місяців тому

      Thanks!! I use the cage from the Pro and it does the job, not perfect though.

  • @CineMobilePodcast
    @CineMobilePodcast 8 місяців тому

    Does the 6K Full Frame include the Gyro data in BRAW files for stabilization?

  • @CABIN6FILMS
    @CABIN6FILMS 2 місяці тому

    Thank you @OfTwoLands What about autofocus? That is also a big difference isn't it? How does the autofocus perform on the full frame?

  • @federicobellini4875
    @federicobellini4875 20 днів тому +1

    Very nice video! May I ask you what lenses did you use for filming in anamorphic? Thanks!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  18 днів тому

      Great Joy / Blazar 1.8x :)

  • @user-ti4tf4kn3o
    @user-ti4tf4kn3o 10 днів тому +1

    Great review

  • @jeremy_woods
    @jeremy_woods 8 місяців тому +4

    I don't know if it's gonna be this one. Definitely love that image and i think it's the best looking one i've seen from Blackmagic, but an Ursa body with this sensor, ND, V mount battery, faster processing for rolling shutter. Well that'd just be 😚👌 ...real nice.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Yes it would be!! :)

  • @lukesauls
    @lukesauls 8 місяців тому +12

    For anyone wondering, full frame doesn't give you a more shallow depth of field at equivalent focal lengths to Super 35. At 7:57 he shows this by (not quite exact) matching field of view, and showing the same bokeh at 35mm. Only things that changes depth of field is if you change your focal length to match the same field of view or moving the camera to match field of view. That's what's changing the depth of field, not the sensor size.

    • @lukesauls
      @lukesauls 8 місяців тому

      Anyways great shots and comparison

    • @keef69
      @keef69 4 місяці тому +1

      since the difference is about x 1,84 toward the full frame, you mean that for equivalent bokeh/seperation, you'd need roughly a 90 mm on 6k pro as an equivalent for a 50 mm on a 6k FF, right ?
      i'm wondering about the 6k FF with a metabones ..

    • @silas1414
      @silas1414 2 місяці тому +2

      In practice it does change depth of field, but in a kind of counter intuitive way. What changes is the relationship of field of view and depth of field and the end result it produces. Technically the depth of field is the same or near-same for the same focal lengths, but because it is giving you a wider field of view than S35 at the same distance, the end result is you will get a shallower depth of field for the same field of view, because the camera position must be brought back to achieve the same field of view, affecting the depth of field. This is why when taken to the extreme with something like an IMAX capture you get that distinct wide but shallow look.

  • @diazfilms
    @diazfilms 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you Flo, great presentation as usual. I'm very curious to see how the Meike S35 lenses would look on this full frame open gate. I'm certain there would be vignetting but how much? Reason for my curiosity is a video done by CVP where Meike S35 lenses were tested on an 8K full frame red camera. There was surprisngly only a small amount of vignetting but was easily fixed with a slight crop in. I am aware there is a super 35 crop mode on the new 6K FF so I wonder how that looks as well. Thanks for your vids and look forward to your next review. Cheers!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for the positive feedback!! I actually didn't try them since I thought they wouldn't work at all and I have the 6K Pro too but I will have a go asap and see as that would be interesting! Although the image circle on this new camera is massive so I doubt it'll work.

    • @diazfilms
      @diazfilms 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands give it a shot I'd love to know the outcome 👍

  • @LisaSamaritan
    @LisaSamaritan 8 місяців тому

    At 7:58, it seems like the new camera have a darker picture, with a slight reddish tint to it.
    Looking at the skin tone of the figurine, I am guessing that the more neutral color of the old one is more correct.
    Being able to look at the object and compare it to the picture. Which one is closer to the correct color?

  • @TheLostKuma
    @TheLostKuma 8 місяців тому +1

    Can’t wait to get mine!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Can’t wait to see what you do with it mate!!

  • @zengagamingz
    @zengagamingz 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you so much ❤

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      No worries, thanks for watching!!

  • @MrSujg
    @MrSujg 5 місяців тому

    Hi! Would you still use NiSi IRND on bmcc FF or the new OLPF filter is enough to get rid of IR pollution?

  • @shauntayers
    @shauntayers 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi Flo! I was curious if the Tilta cages will fit the new CC6k (from the PC6k non pro)

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Hey, I have no idea actually as I have never used that one :(

  • @hellotoddsky
    @hellotoddsky 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for the in-depth review! I feel the BMCC 6K is the perfect camera to pair with a Lumix S5IIX. What one lacks, the other makes up for.

  • @followthefocusofficial
    @followthefocusofficial 8 місяців тому

    Great comparison. One thing in wondering, is the fan louder or quieter on the FF?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks!! Haven’t noticed a difference so far but I’ve also only used the camera outside.

  • @stopframemedia
    @stopframemedia 8 місяців тому

    I currently own two BMPCC 4K's and wish I bought the 6K Pro instead for the internal ND's, higher resolution and bigger sensor. Now I am torn because this camera came out and I want to sell my two 4K's and either get this camera or a used 6K Pro and a good photo camera for time lapses. Which I didn't see anyone post about regarding this camera. Does it have the same Off Speed Recording features as the pocket line?

  • @nima5230
    @nima5230 8 місяців тому

    which one is the better choice for filming Musicvideos? ( i m thinking about purchasing one, but i m not quite sure wich one i should pick) i m a beginner and i m a little bit confused. 🤔

  • @torsrive8920
    @torsrive8920 8 місяців тому +1

    Looking foreward to BMCC 6K PRO. I hope for 2x cfexpress type B, dual slot recording, NDs and 6K FF at 60FPS

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      That would be sweet!!

  • @ALLTHINGSCINEMA24
    @ALLTHINGSCINEMA24 2 місяці тому

    Hey.. think you forgot to compare the low light and noise. I'm curious as the dynamic range is the same BUT does the FF sensor with bigger pixels allow the FF 6K to have better low light?

  • @ryansulak
    @ryansulak 8 місяців тому +1

    something i didnt see covered which im interested in: does the FF have much better lowlight naturally? might also be something to consider for run and gun shooters. Do they both still have gyro for stabilization?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      I haven't shot in low light yet and from what I can tell based on my experience so fare I think the 6K FF is gathering more light but can't quantify it.

  • @alchemymagick
    @alchemymagick 2 місяці тому

    Hey Flo, I heard someone say that for the Pocket 4K, they like to record ProRes HQ HD to soften the image a bit, bc the 4K is a bit over sharpened comparatively. As someone who loves the softer filmic looks of the OG BMPCC, I’m wondering if shooting BRAW in HD would achieve a similar effect on the full frame Pocket 6k (being that it doesn’t shoot ProRes)?

  • @A388Flyer
    @A388Flyer 8 місяців тому

    8:48 Despite the narrow FOV, I would disagree that "the figurine just pops (on the FF) compared to the 6K Pro". Better separation on the Pro... I would say that pops more.

  • @nouvelphotofilm
    @nouvelphotofilm 8 місяців тому

    Do you think 6k Pro cages (like the Tilta cage) would fit the Cinema 6k?

  • @nigerian-nightmare
    @nigerian-nightmare 8 місяців тому +1

    For the benefit of those of us who use the camera for weddings, your next test should be low light at ISO 3200 and 6400. Interested in seeing if it is usable at ISO 6400 like my Panasonic s5IIX. On 6kpro, ISO 6400 is trash. BTW, your film converter is the best. It works great across all the cameras except on Fuji. It's not the best for Fuji, but it's excellent for Black Magic, Panasonic, and Canon. Not sure if I am doing something wrong with it when it comes to Fuji.

    • @phrasalsyntax
      @phrasalsyntax 8 місяців тому

      The BMCC 6K FF seems to be pretty good in low light: ua-cam.com/video/dh1o7mZElCA/v-deo.html

  • @omnihassan246
    @omnihassan246 8 місяців тому

    can't wait to see low light test/comparison

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      I'll keep that in mind, doing my best to answer everyone's questions with videos and comments :)

  • @BeierFilms
    @BeierFilms Місяць тому

    Interesting comparison. I'm debating between these two as a personal camera and I'm strongly leading towards the flexibility of the Pro, not just for the NDs but also because of ProRes support. I can definitely see a world in which I would want the Full Frame for certain projects but, to me, that feels more like the type of project I'll be renting gear for anyway. Being forced to shoot in RAW all the time (even with proxies); makes it hard for me to think about his camera as something I can just pick up at a moment's notice and go shoot some B-roll with. Right now the 6kFF feels like a half measure. I really wish they'd included a better form factor, NDs, Pro Res recording if they were going to upgrade. I think a lot of people would have been willing to pay an extra $500 - $1000 for some of these features.

  • @RobbieMcKane
    @RobbieMcKane 8 місяців тому

    Hi Flo - can you shoot S35 and S16 with the full field of view of the sensor or will those resolutions always record with a crop?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Hey, I think there’s always a crop with these two!

  • @ShaQti0007
    @ShaQti0007 8 місяців тому

    I read that the new bmcc 6k has 4 internal microphones. Can you share some details of the same. I love recording moments with my kids, and a good internal stereo microphone would be so good. Thanks

  • @Titofke
    @Titofke 8 місяців тому

    I miss a comparison of performance and noise at certain light levels. I'm assuming the C6K will require less light ergo a higher ND.

  • @alexbormanbou
    @alexbormanbou 8 місяців тому

    Hi, 01:49 when you say "in addition", do you mean backup capacity?
    Cheers

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      I meant you can ‘also’ use external ssds to record and not just use the internal media.

  • @Walnutplaner
    @Walnutplaner 3 дні тому

    what a beautiful place! id love to see that out my window lol thanks for the informative video mate

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  3 дні тому

      Thanks for watching 🙏🏔️

  • @lombardy3274
    @lombardy3274 5 місяців тому

    how is low light performance on the Cinema Camera 6K? lots of reviews saying 3200 is noisy. Some people on the Blackmagic Forum saying that new firmware has caused issues with low light performance on older cameras. Wondering if it's a firmware bug in the new camera and not inherent of the sensor?

  • @Jazzmarcel
    @Jazzmarcel 8 місяців тому

    images look crazy good!........i have a a7siii and an fx3 and if I'm not mistaken, the quality seems better! can you tell me if its because you shoot raw or it the color grade???.........good stuff here!👍🏾😎

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thank you!! I haven’t used the Sonys so I can’t really compare but blackmagic has always been known for their image and I’m used to grade it ☺️

  • @user-pz1vi2bg7s
    @user-pz1vi2bg7s 5 місяців тому

    Please, tell me your secret of sequence settings to get the same frames

  • @NVAfilm
    @NVAfilm 8 місяців тому

    Do you have a comparison video of the Canon R5 and BMPro 6k.
    I was thinking I could use DJI gimbal to get auto focus on the BMPro but idk

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Unfortunately I do not own or have access to the R5.

  • @AutoFOCUSED.
    @AutoFOCUSED. 8 місяців тому

    You should have tested the field of view in the other recording modes. I'd love to see the Sigma 18-35 in the Super 35 mode in comparison to the 6K Pro.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +2

      I'll keep that in mind, doing my best to answer everyone's questions with videos and comments :)

  • @firasfx
    @firasfx 8 місяців тому

    What lenses do you recommed for the FF camera ?
    Also, would it be good enough for photography ?
    Thanks.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      I’ll make a video about my recommended lenses once I’ve used enough different ones :).
      And whilst you can take stills with this cam I always prefer to use a dedicated photo camera or just my phone.

  • @alutzlft
    @alutzlft 8 місяців тому +1

    Bro, the shot @3:20 its amazing, that shot alone made me a suscriber lol

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks so much 🙏🌊

  • @design_ref4215
    @design_ref4215 8 місяців тому

    Good review and I am going to buy bmcc 6k seeing your vid. thanks.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks and congrats!! Happy shooting 🎥

  • @louisrafaelcom
    @louisrafaelcom 8 місяців тому +1

    I think if the 6K FF is sharper, it's because it's making use of more glass. If you only use a small part of a lens for the same pixel resolution, then you're magnifying resolving limitations of a given lens.

  • @Meatyowlleg
    @Meatyowlleg 8 місяців тому

    6k FF has 0.5 more dynamic range than the pro. Also you can replace the sigma 18-35 with the sigma 24-70. Even though I like to shoot low light anamorphic and there are more options out there for the FF than the pro, I'd wait for them release a upgraded version of FF or at least adding more recording formats. The box format is not 100% required if they just make the camera internally use bigger npf battery.

  • @collinhardeman2614
    @collinhardeman2614 3 місяці тому

    I know that you use Artlist for your music, but do yo mind sharing the name of the music track used in this video?

  • @PeteMEHO
    @PeteMEHO 8 місяців тому +1

    Would love to see some footage of vintage lenses using open gate like the Helios and Canon FD.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      I just bought an adapter to use my Contax Zeiss :)

  • @iyobosastudios
    @iyobosastudios 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for making this video. Question: How good is the quality of the .H264 proxies?... can they be used as social media clips?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      No worries, thank you for watching!! The proxies are ok, more to edit with than actually use as finals. Maybe you could use them for socials or to view on phones but they are pretty soft. It depends on the type of footage really. If the footage doesnt require a huge mount of dynamic range then it's actually ok.

    • @iyobosastudios
      @iyobosastudios 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands Thank you for replying

    • @iyobosastudios
      @iyobosastudios 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands one more question: what's the estimated battery life, with and without the battery pack extension?

  • @Scriptshepherd
    @Scriptshepherd 8 місяців тому +1

    The choice comes down to Internal NDs vs Full Frame sensor. That's a tough call. I'm curious though, why with a full frame sensor, the new BMCC6K is advertised with only 13 stops of dynamic range, the same as the APS-C Pocket 6Ks. My one complaint with image quality in my BMPCC6K is low-light performance, so I would hope the new larger sensor would provide an extra stop in the shadows.

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      It sure is a tough call! To me this sensor gather more light but I haven’t used it in low light yet so can’t really compare. I’ve always find the 6K cameras to be ok in low light and also to be very easily cleaned in post when shooting raw.

    • @Scriptshepherd
      @Scriptshepherd 8 місяців тому

      ​@@OfTwoLands I agree!

  • @hindi_baba
    @hindi_baba 7 місяців тому

    have you tried the in built gryo stabilisation with 6k FF? i use it a lot with the pcc6k camera

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  7 місяців тому

      I haven't no since I still use IS lenses.

  • @KenFlanagan
    @KenFlanagan 8 місяців тому +1

    Appreciated but the question is quite simple. If you have the 6k pro and you are going to do a shoot why would you swap it out and choose the FF version instead. Are you going to grab a whole new set of lenses?? No. Shallower dof without auto focus just makes focusing more difficult given this camera has no af compared to say a c70 4d or fx3 fx6?? Landscapes generally dont need more width given a general rule is accessibility. A sharper image sure but the 6k is plenty sharp enough for most use cases and social. If shooting open gate the image will have to be cropped as a deliverable so youll be losing sensor real estate? Shooting outside which is what you seem to do most if the time surely needs nd?? Maybe the internal nd on the pro isn’t good enough?? Shooting anamorphic is the only reason and given how much more weight anamorphics generally are how is this form factor suitable? Likewise it’s unlikely youll want to shoot landscapes with anamorphic because if the distortion. If its for narrative then A kinefinity mavo would make more sense for anamorphic. Locking mounts?? Sdi. The ff pro is still a camera that cannot be shouldered mounted. Not particularly gimbal friendly. As alternatives go unless it had genlock or sdi an olpf doesn’t seem enough of an upgrade despite how obvious a short fall it was without. I cannot see the use case or when it would make sense to carry these two different cameras around. Lenses?? Though some may think that this new model is an improvement it solves none if the immediate issues why so many people have given up on bm. Given you shoot landscape’s and for ljbrary i just don’t understand why you dont use the new 12k with olpf???

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for your detailed opinion. I actually used the same lenses on the 6K FF, just with an adapter. And full frame does help with landscape and depth, that I can confirm. And I don't use the 12k because as a solo shooter I prefer the Pocket body especially when hiking for hours or when traveling.

  • @filipmichalsaffray441
    @filipmichalsaffray441 8 місяців тому +1

    Bravo pour la vidéo,
    Toujours dans la région de Grenoble? Vraiment difficile le choix entre le 6K,6K pro et éventuellement le S5iiX avec Videoassist 1#G que j'ai actuellement...vu que j'ai la 6Korg avec 24-105 F4 combo parfait pour run and gun et 3 boîtier S5org que j'utilise avec Ninja V.
    Je voulais un upgrade pour Noël j'ai eu de bons résultats avec le 6korg et Panasonic S5org...le mieux serait AF de Panasonic,Braw a l'interne image avec OPLF et un ND électronique a la Sony FX6😂😂😂😂😂 BlackPanamagic S2H

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Merci!! Et oui toujours dans la region :)
      Haha ca serait la camera ultime!!

  • @sitebstudios
    @sitebstudios 8 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for this video. I can't wait to get this camera. Also, from the video, these cameras will match perfectly. Do you think so?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching!! And yes, I think they will match pretty easily. Even though the 6K FF as more details and depth and a superior image overall they still look similar in terms of colours and general look.

    • @sitebstudios
      @sitebstudios 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands Perfect, thank you!

  • @javierhurtado5812
    @javierhurtado5812 8 місяців тому +1

    Thans for this video help me to be sure wish one is the best opcion to invest. i have a question. What CFexpress card work with the 6k Full frame?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching!! I have used both the Wise Pro and Prograde Gold without any issues :)

    • @javierhurtado5812
      @javierhurtado5812 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands Thanks i din´t find the info about it and i making the buget for all the thinks i need to the 6k full frame. So a Prograde Gold 1700 mbs type b woud be a good option?

  • @films_by_aw
    @films_by_aw 8 місяців тому +1

    Loving the Naruto stand ins. Thanks for the video!

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Haha was waiting for someone to comment, thanks for watching ☺️🙏

  • @junaidcg
    @junaidcg 14 днів тому +1

    Thanks for comparison, can i use the cage of bmpcc pro with bmcc 6k?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  13 днів тому

      Thanks for watching! Yes, it’s not perfect but it works 👍

  • @user-bb2ty3ps8b
    @user-bb2ty3ps8b 8 днів тому

    My English is not very good, may I ask which color is better, more cinematic, is there a significant difference in color

  • @ProjectileGrommet
    @ProjectileGrommet 5 місяців тому

    Those open gate shots look like picture frames but that rolling shutter makes the pro seem like the only practical option

  • @ardiyanto.t
    @ardiyanto.t 8 місяців тому

    Wow the 6k FF.. remind me to ori 4k (slimmer) vs ori 6k (bulkier). Any change to test w/native L lens? Not really fans of mount adapter (make it more bulkier).

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      I will test it with a native L lens asap! So far this adapter has been very solid even though I don’t like adapters in general I’ve been very happy with the sigma.

  • @TLFILMS
    @TLFILMS 8 місяців тому

    Thanks for the side by side

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching!!

  • @digital_pictures
    @digital_pictures 7 місяців тому

    How about lowlight performance of new FF sensor compare to S35?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  7 місяців тому

      I actually haven't shot in low light yet but I intend to asap :)

  • @panaroamic
    @panaroamic 8 місяців тому +2

    Loved that comparison. It takes more sense when you realize that Blackmagic made a good decision in my opinion by producing a new camera that would not replace the older version but that would focus on other aspects. I found the crop factor explanation very useful and was wondering if it has a crop zoom mode such as the PIXEL│PIXEL mode I have on my GH6. Can be useful sometimes when you dont't bring all of your lenses with you for a project but want some close up shots. Cheers !

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому

      Thanks brO!! And I agree, this is can be used with or instead of the Pro.
      I'm not familiar with the crop mode of the GH6 but you can shoot in different crops with this one like S35 or S16 for example :).

  • @aman681
    @aman681 8 місяців тому

    The only one thing that I want from BM is Dual card recording. Have a ever experienced any card failures with the 6k pro? Do you use only cast with it?

    • @OfTwoLands
      @OfTwoLands  8 місяців тому +1

      Never experienced any card failure with either of the original 6K or the Pro. I use both CFast and SD with the Pockets but mostly CFast.

    • @aman681
      @aman681 8 місяців тому

      @@OfTwoLands Thanks for your reply. I use SD cards with my BMPCC4Ks and always fear losing data. Never had a failure though. OCD may be 😁