Our Legless Lizards Laid Eggs!!
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- OH MY GOSH! Our European Legless Lizards had eggs!! These are incredible rare, guys. We're one step closer to producing captive-bred sheltopusiks!!
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i think the amount of animals that spontaneously breed in the zoo is a testament to the incredible care emily and ed take of them. they are so confident that there are enough resources and comfortable enough in your habitats that they know they are safe to reproduce
This is SUCH a good point every time it’s brought up. Mating behavior is just something that is very dependent on several factors and if critters aren’t getting what they need from an environment, it is difficult to get them to breed. (Humans are also kinda the same way, just more complex.)
Not just ed and emily, their employees too😊
I was thinking the same thing
Well said! I agree with this! I'm excited for her legless lizards!
I think EVERYONE should be able to agree with this statementbc they are so kind! Same with their staff!
Most ppl making rare pets that nobody else has bred: I'm keeping this a trade secret
Snake discovery: "so here's how to do this" 💚
Makes sense, all for education and helping conservative
Because they know that the more people breeding them, the fewer get taken out of the wild, which is what we should all want.
True!❤
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@@alteria2714
I really appreciate that they do this. Somebody else did actually post something on how they were triggering legless lizards to reproduce last year I want to say, but I'm having trouble finding it again. That said oftentimes what will happen in these early stages is somebody will have it work for them but then no one else is able to reproduce it because they're missing something. So every person who has a reproduction event needs to basically be reporting it. However the number one problem with the species from what I've heard is that they tend to lay on viable eggs when they do lay which seems to be what happened here. I do wish they had been tracking humidity throughout the year on that enclosure because there's a darn good chance that's a component though I'm sure having the group living situation also helped quite a bit.
I've also heard it hypothesize that there may actually be more than one species that aren't very compatible with each other genetically but look alike complicating matters. I have no idea where the research on that hypothesis is at but given how wide of a range this species has and how patchy it is across the strange it wouldn't shock me.
I love how the beginning of the video made it seem like it was Emily filming alone, and then out of NO WHERE Ed chimes in off camera just to say "She looking THICC" 😂
I love these two, they are such goals, just like in life generally.
He hath been *Summoned*
I feel that about life goals ❤
I totally agree with you
They really are couple goals for me
Oh for sure, me and my fiancee look up to them for relationship goals 😅
Also talk to Tarronga Zoo in Australia. They brumated at 4*C. They didn't mention how they incubated the eggs, though they got 6 eggs and all hatched successfully.
Emily and Ed, you've joined the ranks of a very select few and you don't have their Cadre of professionals and researchers. This shows how amazing you with your husbandry and depth of knowledge.
Looking forward to seeing headlines next year about you getting hatchlings!
Bumb it so they see!!!!
Exciting!!!
That's amazing news!
Emely; I can't reach out to the zoo for more info... I think she for sure can. This kind of cases you should just help each other.
@@mitchjemjmjI believe she meant she couldn’t reach out and get a response in that moment.
"She's either gravid or she's gotta poop." Weirdly relatable?
So instead of 'Fat or Pregnant?' it's 'Pregnant or Constipated?' 😆.
*gasp* maybe I'm gravid?
Or... She's playing the pregnancy card and she's just fat
@@kevcrabill7921let me know how many slugs you have
"Hey honey, I'm gravid!"
"You're full of... reptile eggs...?"
"Or I gotta poop. Definitely one of the two incoming!"
🤦♀️
The National Mississippi River Museum and Aquarium in Dubuque, IA bred them in 2019. They posted a video on their UA-cam channel about it.
Interesting. It looks like the River Museum didn't have any sucessfull eggs the first year. Maybe the females need a 'practice year'.
Smithsonian zoo too and they are sold at Hamm and some european fairs. Looks like these have been bred by a fair few people now but not loads. Definitely more than the two though.
Was just getting ready to say this too! IIRC they actually brumated theirs, and hatched a male? I remember sending to link to anyone in the hobby that I knew had an interest in them, mostly non-creators, with hopes that we could see a captive breeding program get kickstarted. I would *love* to keep these, but I would never knowingly buy a wild-caught animal, so I'm super, super excited that Emily & Ed are seeing a glimmer of hope for the species' future!!
There is research on the successful captive incubation of the clutch of the European glass lizard. I recommend you to read a research paper from 2022 by Oleg V. Kukushkin called “An experience of captive incubation of the clutch of the European glass lizard (Reptilia: Sauria: Anguidae), with notes on its reproductive biology” (DOI: 10.30906/1026-2296-2022-29-3-169-186).
For those who want to know without reading the paper: they hatched 7 out of 7 eggs in 2019, it took 60 days and they incubated eggs with the mother to observe her behaviour.
Look up the paper for some cute pictures (Fig.5 and 6) of baby lizards :)
There is research on the successful captive incubation of the clutch of the European glass lizard. I recommend you to read a research paper from 2022 by Oleg V. Kukushkin called “An experience of captive incubation of the clutch of the European glass lizard (Reptilia: Sauria: Anguidae), with notes on its reproductive biology” (DOI: 10.30906/1026-2296-2022-29-3-169-186).
For those who want to know without reading the paper: they hatched 7 out of 7 eggs in 2019, it took 60 days and they incubated eggs with the mother to observe her behaviour.
Look up the paper for some cute pictures (Fig.5 and 6) of baby lizards :)
Incubation time is ~50 days according to a scientific article in Reptiles & Amphibians 29:1-78 by Alvand Mohammadalizadegan and Pourya Sardar. They incubated European Legless Lizard eggs in Perlite (3 eggs at 85% humidity, 28 degrees C) in one container and a screen over water (4 eggs at 95% humidity, 27 degrees C) in the other. 4 of the eggs molded out, but 1 hatched from the first group, 2 from the second.
bump. hope Emily sees it.
Bump!!!!
😁
bump!!!
Bump
Bump it up!!
Snakes: *wriggle*
Legless lizards: *dangle*
Legless Lizards will wriggle, and Barrel Roll if they feel uncomfortable.
They are about half as flexible as a Snek, so smaller wriggle.
I won’t name names, but I’ve known a few snake breeders who were really secretive about their methods for breeding rare species because they were more concerned with being the “first” to do things than they were about the growth of the species. I LOVE that Snake Discovery shares their knowledge and really prioritizes education and the science community over the fame and bragging rights.
Good luck next year! Regardless, this is a step in the right direction and great information 💜
you should DEFINITELY call the San Diego zoo!!!
I think they would actually take her call because she is so well known now.
Right? Idk why she's convinced that's not doable, they definitely have contact information out there.
That was my first thought as well. I kept on shouting at my phone, "Call the San Diego Zoo!"
Zoos in general are pretty open to taking calls/emails and answering questions. In my experience, they are staffed by amazing, nerdy folks who want other people in the industry to talk shop with.
They are really nice. I'm sure they would love to talk to you about it .
eeee eggies without leggies! now onto the video!!! have a gorgeous weekend!!!!!!!
eggies without leggies 😭❤️
Omg yes eggies without leggies
Omg I love that, that’s hilarious
I love the legs tho
Eggies without leggies is adorable
Seeing Emily hold the legless lizards and how they just kinda hang lifelessly makes me laugh LMAO
I was thinking the same. They hang there so calmly! They look like a fat pair of stockings 😂
the fact that they're also round makes them literally look like noodles lol
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂😂
Snake discovery once again being revolutionary to the reptile hobby, not even surprised anymore 🥰🥰
All I was thinking in the first half is wow they must've made the legless lizards so happy.
She better lay 3 eggs next year so you can draw Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli on them haha
I've been thinking of baby names too! If there's only 2 they can be Merry & Pippin.
@@grutarg2938 9.... whole fellowship
I love how Emily got so excited that her voice had vocal fry. So wholesome
Time stamp?
In the first few minutes her voice goes deeper then high several times. I watch behavior analyst channels and when people are really excited their voice changes pitch. Emily is being very sincere but in behavior analysis, a liar will change their pitch. In liars its because they are excited about getting away with lying to you. In Emily, its because she is so happy. Which is why this is such a nice video. Emily is not acting, she really feels joyful about what she is doing.
@@tommymayfield814that's a lot of word confusing words..
Oh hey, I was the third person recorded to do something too! I caught a peanut butter allergy from someone else through platelet exchange!
Weirdly fascinating and unfortunate 😂
Wow! I don’t know what I would do without peanut butter 💔
@@RandiPoitras OH! I forgot to add... It only lasted 4 months so, yeah not so bad. What sucked though was that it was to be treated as anaphylactic while I had it, I had to carry an EpiPen, AND it was during a peanut butter craving period of time, so I wanted nothing more but to eat peanut butter and couldn't. I made up for it for over a year afterwards lol.
@@Lyeah73 thankfully it only lasted 4 months lol.
Funny enough that's kind of how vampires work in the world of my story. They share blood and allergies.
(One vampire wanted to keep their cat with them in their immortality, thus the garlic allergy. Lol)
i love when youre holding them both around 13:00 and theyre just dangling there, defeated
Snakes slither around all curiously but legless lizards just hang there like "welp, this is me now"
@@star2705I was laughing that they weren't barrel rolling or anything, just "sigh... This is my life now." 😂
Deaded
according to google(and San Diego zoo) they incubate for about 50 days. Eggs should be kept between 80-90 degrees.
Bump this up so Emily can see it!
Bump bump
If anyone can have them breed successfully and have a breeding project I believe in you guys, I've loved legless lizards for years
I mean you'd probably have higher chances contacting the San Diego Zoo than whipping out an ouija board and contacting the other person xD
But in all seriousness this is very exciting and hopefully you'll get a good clutch the next time!
Yeah I’m surprised they didn’t try - I think they probably could’ve got a hold of the zoo to ask them questions. I can’t imagine the zoo wouldn’t want to help with something as specialized as this if they have experience and they are interested in animal conservation..
They probably tried with no luck
I mean their house is supposedly haunted (I hope we get something to do with that around Halloween lol) So maybe they would have some luck contacting the dead lol and maybe they could get that guy lol
I would imagine that any of the keepers would be happy to talk to her about it if they knew. They might reach out to her, if anyone with contacts there see this video. Stranger things have happened.
@tuvelat7302 Hopefully, that happens. 🤞
Congratulations on the eggs, even if they were slugs and a bad egg. That is awesome!
Her being an ambassador animal and minimally stressed by humans could also be a factor in becoming comfortable enough to lay eggs.
If you want to check for sources in other languages (yay for auto translation) to check on different European sources, the German words to check for are "Nachzucht" (re-breeding in context of captivity) and "Panzerschleiche" (different colloquial name for Sheltopusik, Pseudopus apodus).
There seems to be something from Esser, S. (2011) about this in Journal of Biomimetics, Biomaterials and Tissue Engineering as well as in Reptilia - Terraristik-Fachmagazin 88: 32-38.
Decinitely could be worth while. Since theyre a european species there could have been instances in other countries as well
You've looked into it in German while I've tried to do the same in italian, but what I find incredible is the lack of information when in Europe they actually gets breed!
@@Debora_9x yeah, but we also have an advantage over them in Europe: we can actually observe how they behave in the wild XD
The amount of reptile history you guys have made is crazy! Congratulations! This is how you know you guys take really good care of these reptiles.
Could you list them. I’ve been watching for a while but don’t always watch their new vids
There's the legless lizard eggs, which as explained in the video are difficult to get.
Then there's the golden garter snake which started as a morph found in two specific snakes in the wild that they wound up reproducing in captivity, thus creating an entire new morph in garter snakes in the breeding community.
I can't find the video again to ensure I'm remembering this last one correctly, but I'm pretty sure they got a spontaneous albino morph in a clutch of eggs that wasn't previously linked to the albino gene, I think it was in hognoses. But it basically introduced an entirely new bloodline into the genetic pool which allows for more genetic diversity. I am fairly certain I'm remembering this event, I just don't know if the species or gene is correct so feel free to dig around for that one.
This shows how good your husbandry is
There is a 2022 research paper available on successful incubation of a clutch of these guys under laboratory conditions in russia that was done successfully in 2019. I'll put a link in an email to you guys.
It just shows how much you truly care and a testament to your husbandry. Its sad they were duds but its still huge that you got eggs at all!
Also Loving the visuals! As a visual type of person this helps a lot!
I first swiped the vid notification away because I normally don't watch egg laying videos and then was like "Wait a minute, the LEGLESS LIZARDS? No way!" That's amazing
Omg Legolas laid eggs!! Yay,excited for the eggs from legless lizards❤❤
I fell in love with this species because of this channel, I love their unique look compared to normal lizards and snakes! It's so cool to see you guys producing them, I hope you continue to be successful so more people can enjoy these awesome animals without having to take them from the wild or travel to their native habitat.
They really have handsome faces.
this is incredible, I really hope we can get captive bred legless lizards in the hobby. one of my goals is to breed obscure/rare species of skink so this is really inspiring and exciting
My jaw fully dropped when I saw the notification I'm so genuinely shocked and impressed
Congrats! 🎉 Another 1st for Snake Discovery! 🥳
(Next step is getting fertile eggs! 🤞)
Congrats on such a huge achievement! Getting to be part of efforts to produce captive bred individuals of a species that doesn't have that yet sounds really exciting.
Emily so excited she can't English properly is the best. So excited and is so interesting Ed went to the last third of her body as he's so used to snakes.
A legless lizard laying eggs is super eggciting. This is an amazing and very lucky achievement.
Just wanted to say, this channel is the thing that made me stop being afraid of snakes, all due to the snake egg cutting videos.
Before your channel i was terrified of snakes, now i am so curious and interesfed in snakes, from the day i first saw ur channel, maybe 4 years ago.
Thank you for all tou doo
I always love how excited Emily gets when it comes to eggs!!!
84-87 f is the temp I have kept legless lizard eggs. It took about 63 days for the eggs to hatch.
What kind of legless lizards? Aren't there many types like Eastern glass, striped, pink, and others? It may be different depending on what type you hatched.
@@calliew311 Yes, but 80F is what? 26C? Seems a... Little low, knowing most legless lizard lay their eggs in a substract that raise temperature and humidity in the wild
@@cookie856 we in middle EU barely get summers over 30°C or it at least was like that 10 years ago (now we fear 40°C summers) so keeping the eggs around 29°C does not sound too abnormal to me.
@@moujayay 80F is 26C
29C sounds normal to me too XD
@@cookie856 what substrate keeps the temperatures higher? Humidity, yes. I agree it seems a little low. But as far as I know, we aren't experts and Ed and Emily are just doing their best. And I thought their incubator was higher than 80 anyway. 🤷🏼♀️
I love how excited Emily sounds. 💙💙
I was not expecting the legless lizards to lay!
Literally me looking up research papers about breeding legless lizards.
This week's hyper fixation 😅😂
Wow! I've been following for years, and I'm so excited that she laid eggs! I couldn't believe it when I saw the video title. Hopefully, she breeds for you again and those eggs make it.
Emily’s excitement is so contagious!! I’m now rooting for baby leg less lizards!
reptile history being made right here 🫢
Not so much... This year ❤
@@emmabentley7945I still think it’s historical. Nobody’s really been able to breed them. Eggs mean they bred. That is a historical occasion.
A museum in Iowa bred them last year, but I'm not sure if any of the eggs hatched@acloudyskyz2237
@@canyon5795 I agree it is amazing that they may have figured it out as well! If anyone can Ed and Emily can ❤️❤️
This couldn’t happen to better people. You guys are the best! Your dedication to conservation and education is so wonderful. I’m so proud of you guys! 🥰
They’re taking the hognose to Isengard!
Watched this twice, love the random outcomes and twists and turns lol
Really appreciate your time sharing quality videos x
These are literally the coolest type of lizard ever.
I've been watching your videos for a few years now and it's really helped me gain a whole new amount of respect and admiration for reptiles. It's gotten to the point where even my 5 year old daughter isn't scared of them. The other day we were on a road trip and a charity event had a black ratsnake out and while I held the snake, my daughter petted it without hesitation. She won't even pet dogs, but she no issue with a snake and I love it.
Thank you for sharing this information with the rest of the world. You could easily have kept it a trade secret and made money off of it, but you did the right thing for this endangered species and I appreciate that.
I had the privilege to find one in the wild when we were conducting a study on them in the wild. They are amazing little creatures and I hope we are one step closer to preserving the species.
The edits in this video were lovely! I appreciated the extra detail when you explained their facial features. What a huge accomplishment.
Wow congrats! This is a testament to your excellent husbandry.
Love this channel - Ed and Emily are such real people and always educational and pull you right into their excitement.
I can’t take legless lizards seriously. They are just too funny looking 😭
I'm just as excited for you guys! I think the reptile community will love the info you could get from your breeding setup. That way, we won't have to catch more wild legless lizard than we need to.
Can’t wait to see the rest of the video
I should add, and idk if this will help, but I am from an agricultural family from the region where these legless lizards are. One time when we were digging a field for irrigation we accidentally disturbed a "burrow" where two legless lizards were either mating or fighting, but they looked locked up. It looked like an abandoned rabbit burrow so they might prefer mating underground? I have no scientific basis to back this up, I was a teenager when we found the lizards, but it could help in the future?
As DebzDreamz said,✨EGGIES WITHOUT LEGGIES✨
i love that you guys try your best to recreate naturalistic set ups, but supplement with non-realistic enrichment toys as well. Really a testament to how these enclosures are for the animals and not for appearances
I feel like I can see veins on the bottom of the egg when Emily tilts it!!
I think so too! It wasn't very clear but it looked like there was something thin and pinkish
I love seeing how excited Emily is that energy is contagious ❤
YEAH! It happened! The legless have been paired together in hope they breed since before I started watching the channel about 5 years ago. I really hope we get to see bebeh legless lizards!
Edit: the egg went bad, but better luck next year maybe?
Did you just spoil the ending? 😯
@@luojingjie4236 on a 15 minutes video? I would not call that spoiling the ending. Especially since they mentioned the egg went bad at like the 7 minutes mark.
@@sarahlavoie9437Fair enough
Love that y’all are a part of reptile history right now! & we get to watch it happen! If anyone can figure it out, it’s y’all!
WOAH!!!! congrats this is crazy!!!!!just watched more and dang that kinda sucks that they didnt hatch
This is so cool!!! It's amazing that so many species are happy in their zoo enclosures and are breeding because they feel safe and natural. Congratulations, guys!!!
A female will lay about 8 eggs 10 weeks after mating. The eggs are often hidden in a crevice and guarded by the female. After about 50 days the young hatch and are 6 inches long. The young are independent upon hatching.
there is nothing better than seeing the extreme excitement you get with people who know a lot about their subject. there is no joy too niche.
you could always reach out to the Zoo and ask them if they know any parameters.
The legless lizards just dangling and hanging there while Emily is talking 😂I'm so used to seeing snakes slithering all over the place when they're held.
Wait OMG possible collaboration with the San Diego Zoo about the legless lizard babies???
I love how passionate you guys are about the science and education aspect of breeding (and the animals themselves, of course) 💜
Achievement unlocked: the next generation
That is just amazing ❤ shows the dedication and studies you do off screen really helps the reptile community ❤❤🎉
The way emily says or are you just fat had me rolling on the floor
OMG YAY NEW VID!
Under an hour?
me :3
Me :>
My daughter and I are coming to snake discovery in the morning and she is so excited we are praying Emily and Edd are there she loves you guys so much thank you for all you do ❤❤❤😊😊😊
If you google it, there’s plenty of info on breeding and incubating them (but not much success) haha I read a few papers, who all incubated them differently, and it seems that the eggs are very susceptible to mould infections.
I wonder if cinnamon would help. Don't know how it might affect a reptile, but it is common to use it in gardening for species susceptible to fungi and mold.
@@elizaalmabuena yeah maybe, you can buy special stuff for it too, but maybe that isn’t always better? Some species can be so hard to breed in captivity!
This is a testament to your keeping, guys. Good job.
The conversation I just had with my 2 year old nephew:
Me: Juju look at the lizard
Juju: Ew snake!
Me: Nono, it's a lizard but it has no leggys
Juju: No leggys?
Me: Yea it has no leggys
Juju: Oh no, I sorry *kisses phone screen*
To say my heat melted is an understatement 🥺💕
I remember seeing you post in the Legless lizard Facebook group when it happened, and I’ve been waiting for this video since!
No WAY! This is so cool, I didn't think you'd ever get eggs from your legless lizards!
I get so excited when I see a new vid for SD!! Absolutely love all of your content!! I was never interested in reptiles till I started educating myself with your channel over 2 years ago!! Thank you so much for this learning platform.
SUPER EARLY OMGGGG 💚💚💚💚 Hope all eggs hatch !!!! And you get healthy babies 😤
They all went bad sadly
ill be excited if u figure it out. i plan on being a breeder when im older because i love reptiles and u guys are the reason i have a leo
OMG YAYYYY A NEW SPECIES OF BEBES
This is such a fascinating video! Thank you Emily and Ed for sharing ☺️
Who loves snake discovery
2:20 'shes either gravid or has a poop' haha
Best season of the year
When you think all the eggs were laid ✨ there comes more ✨
Edit: it went bad, but I'm so happy to see that they are raised in such a good condition that they are showing breeding behavior, honestly guys this is so awesome
I used to hate snakes but then I saw your videos and they're so cute and I really want one
Who doesn't have a snake and watching this
Me
Cat Lady never had a snake!
Me, I do have a lizard though.
Me, but I have about 20 jumping spiders and about 20 tarantulas. Lol.
Bro guys I have a house gecko xd
i love the editing & the graphics when you talked about the temperatures 💕
Omg yay congrats guys!! Me and my sister love leg-less lizards!!!! We have never personally own them but I’ve seen them out in the wild where we would play in the woods and on rocks ❤🎉❤🎉❤
I watching this channel ever since I was little and I have to say that is amazing and I feel grateful for you
How the hell did you guys get here so fast?
Shhhh, dw abt it
Uhh Just spamming the New Video button to be first :)
@@KokichiOuma-xr8hx LOL
Idk
I just visited the store/zoo so Ive been waiting, watching
I definitely think it’s worth reaching out to the few other facilities that have successfully bred them & compare notes. Everyone can learn from each other.
58 seconds and no views, but I’m here ❤❤❤ love you snake discovery been watching you for years now and love your whole channel from watching alligators to snakes a bird to hatching eggs. I never get tired of watching your channel.
There was views
I was at 37 seconds
@@Sweet_loverr for me there was not but maybe it lagged
@@Sweet_loverr I was here at 1 sec but forgot to CMTT
@@CLOUDSXICERBLXEDITZ ohh
This is a testament to how comfortable your animals must feel in the zoo, congratulations you guys!
44 sec gang!!
“She’s gravity or she’s gotta poop.” Wisdom.