Babylon First Impression - Civ 6 - New Frontier Pass
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“Oops I accidentally built 3 mines with my first builder, one on a piece of iron. Guess I now have 3 techs, all my mines have +1 production, I unlocked swordsmen, and I can build an industrial zone with a free workshop in the ancient era”
Now the rest of the tech tree is slowed to a crawl. This civ will be really strong for rushing certain things.
2 more workshops and you'll unlock industrialization (by the start of classical era), which if it's not broken enough you can always unlock shipyards by building a lumbrmill and then Ironclads by building 2 shipyards.
I wonder if you can use it if the previous techs are still locked...
production definitely seems to be king for this civ. Production means boosts in most cases.
@Jack Frost if we’re looking to the Gauls, they get apprenticeship for free upon completing their unique district. This means you don’t need horseback riding or currency to get the boost to your mines or to build workshops.
Unlock mass production early and build the venetian arsenal then dominate
That is something you should do with every Civ
Yes but peacefully
Venetian arsenal to peacefully dominate a religion victory as Kongo
200 IQ comment
Babylon would be interesting to watch a "All Eurekas" challenge with
don't even know if that is possible in most games, there will be plenty of times where you only have 1 tech left to research and you are forced to research it but you can't get the boost because of bad luck (i.e killing 3 barbs)
@@bigfudge2031 you can force end your turn in that case.
@@bigfudge2031 I would say the worst is the great scientist/spy
@Alt Click keep your racist dogwhistles to yourself.
@@javyz6197 how to force end turn?
Korea: I’m the best science civ
Babylon: You dare oppose me mortal
There is difference between korea and babylon playstyle, with korea u dont need to have knowledge of many things, in the other hand babylon is stronger if u already know how to play civ VI
China: I love me some Eurekas and Inspirations!
Babylon: *Eureka go brrrrrrr*
Korea is not even T1 in science lol
The only reason Korea is so strong is because of all the cheats the AI gets on high difficulties and the Seowon doesn't require a brain to use, meaning the AI can't cripple itself by suboptimal city planning.
@@LAZERAK47V2 Korea is way too overrated imo. For a fast science victory you need to have a way to get ur civic to match your science for T3/T4 government and Korea has absolutely no way in match of getting culture like Greece and China. I agree that for AIs, Korea is stronger tho.
The good news: “I beat the other civs to Great Library”
The bad news: “I was already in the Industrial Era”
The good news 2: "I was in the industrial era while everyone else was in the classical era"
Play a "goody hut on every tile" game as Babylon.
IQ 300
Doing this day 1 for sure
Oh my... Oh my oh my oh my...
Was just gonna comment that...
Only concern is increased district costs as so much of the tech tree is unlocked
Someone mentioned playing on Epic or Marathon would be insane, since free techs are worth even more
a true epic tale
Marathon be like: turn 100, mining discovered
Hello that was me
They'll get medieval techs before they finish mining
They are worth the same since they scale.
Korea: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary.
Babylon: What? Can't hear you over our Classical Era Musketmen.
One word:
Maya
Just like Civ 5
@King Of Onion on the long run, it sounds like the 50% science bonus would win.
in the end, it all depends on the one controlling them.
Everyone forget that Scotland exists?
9:15 This rather sounds like you get envoys when you build a "non-specialty" district for the first time (acqueduct, dam, neighborhood, canal)
yup. Potato is potato in head after all.
Agreed, it shows a Government district getting chopped out
I would say you get the free envoy when you build a non-specialty district for the first time (gov plaza, aqueduct, dam, canal, neighborhood etc. ) they build a gov plaza at 5:48
Also, the way I was reading their unique ability, the key is in the word "specialty district" and "all other districts" meaning you get the library in your first built Campus, but when you build your first Aqueduct you get a free envoy instead since there isn't a building for that district. I could be wrong but that makes sense to me.
Yeah I'm 99% sure this is correct. The phrasing "specialty district" has always referred to districts that generate great people points, whereas "other districts" would be aqueducts, dams, aerodromes etc. But it's all just bonuses for the first one of each type
@@Kuddochan aerodromes have buildings
No, I think it means if you build a campus first in that city you get the building, but if you decide to build a holy site next, you get an envoy instead of the first building.
So then, does that mean the first one you build in each city? Or the first one you build across your empire?
@@andrewpatrick7267 It explictly says when a "specialty district type" is constructed for the first you get a free building, and conversely any non-specialty district type yields an envoys when built for the first time. It's only talking about first time constructions per type of district per category. So if you build your first campus in a city you should get a library, and then you build your first holy site and you should get a shrine, and then you build your first aqueduct which will then give you an envoy instead, etc
Potato: Overall, this is an S tier civ in everything.
Saxy: This could either be a D tier or an A tier, I doubt it will be an S tier.
He said it depends, and he’ll have to actually play it to find out.
Tbh if it’s a science civ it’s always broken.
Saxy is wrong
@@roscoefinuken5262 agreed my fine sir TEA IS THE BEST
Potato is actually good at the game. *ducks behind covers as internet war starts*
This is the first Civ from the Frontier Pass that I have actually said, "Wow, this is absolutely insane."
Gran Colombia? Byzantium?
every civ they release gets stronger lol
I literally said that with every Civilization besides the Maya.
@@Killerkwoi13 PtW strats
Literally just finished watching it, and then this gets uploaded. What luck.
The unique unit is a melee class, so it's basically a super unit. The speed of cavalry, the bonus against anti-cav of melee, and the bonus against cavalry of anti-cav. It's only really weak to melee with -3 combat strength
@@parzival8786 did you click on the wrong comment or something buddy?
Good news! You can now start Venetian Arsenal the moment you build your first lumber mill 🥳🥳🥳🥳
Yes, Venetian arsenal, that is the only thing we ever needed this civ to do - an S-tier civ already.
Easiest way to win quick early war against other Civs is to build 3 archers and immediately upgrade them into crossbowmen. Also first like
Hm, it's gonna be weird if you can unlock techs through eureka before you have the prerequisite techs.
@@juliakovacs4885 They showed that in the video, Mass Production was unlocked before the prerequisites when the lumber mill was built.
Maybe this civ could make a 3 slinger build worthwhile in order to get really early crossbows, then push some warriors for early war. With Agoge as soon as possible of course. Early military also increases the chance of getting Bronze Working.
Edit: Just realized: Having 2 Crossbowmen boosts Bombards, Potato’s favorite unit. Who said anything about science, this is a Domination civ.
@@jacobwiens659 esp. as most of the end-techs don't have achievable Eurekas. It's all "get lucky with a Great person or spy on someone else that already has the tech."
You're gonna need a lot of gold very early to afford those upgrades but otherwise yeah, in general rushing futuristic military units seems like the easiest way to win with Babylon
Civ6 devs: Balance is important
Also Civ6 devs: "Eureka's provide all the science needed for technologies"
Edit: aaand I just got to the free district building and envoy part, okay we may have just found the strongest early game civ.
Also Civ 6 devs: -50% Science per turn.
This civ skips the early game
@@crisalexcris15 That's literally it! Who needs early game anyway?
@@williamtheconqueror7807 I think that it means -50% science per turn everytime you get a eureka
@@locococo8961 No, if you look at what the screen with Babylon's abilities, it says -50% Science every turn.
The UU is not Spearman replacement. You can see in the tech tree, there Bronze Working has Spearman in it. Also, it has a CS of 17, which would make for an awful Spearman replacement. But it is also not a Warrior replacement, as there is a Babylonian Warrior in one shot, and the era score for it is gained later, which means you don't have it at start. So I think we can only assume it is a completely unique unit.
@@tonyth123 no the base strength was 17 look closer
Prob a sc replacement, looking at the movement
@@st.p.2667 No it isn't, we've seen Babylonian Scouts in the videos. In the November update video we actually see a list of units that can be built, which includes Scout, Warrior, Archer, Spearman, Heavy Chariot, Swordsman and Battering Ram, and then the UU as blurred at the bottom. So unless it replaces Galley, it is its own unit.
Isn't "Melee" tag directly says it's not a spearman replacement (which have Anti-Cavalry tag)?
@@lavolpe7585 Yes that would be, but the devs and game themselves have sometimes been pretty liberal with the word "melee", often just referring to melee attacking units. But I do suspect that it's indeed a Melee class.
"any other districts" doesn't mean the first time you construct an aqueduct, dam, spaceport, neighborhood, etc you get an envoy instead?
I think you might be right even though the wording is a little confusing.
Yah, I read that the same way. First Specialty district of each type gets a building, first non-specialty district of each type gets an envoy
Yes and government plaza
I think this is the correct interpretation and it doesn't even seem ambiguous to me. Based on the parallel structure of the sentences, "Any other district" would have to mean "Any non-specialty district". Especially because they go on to say "for the first time".
I don't know why they wouldn't have just worded it "non-specialty" in the first place, though.
not sure why anyone is confused, it is carefully worded to be unambigious
Man do I love when potato reacts to this
RE: district bonus confusion.
Is the important word there meant to be “Specialty” district?
I.e. First time you build a campus, holy site, and harbour you get a library, shrine and lighthouse (one of each), the “other” districts that grant you an envoy are the green coloured ones like Dam, Aquaduct, Canal and Neighbourhood.
correct, or at least that's how I interpret it
Solid logic
This is what I assumed as well.
considering you already are strongly encouraged to put your cities next to rivers because of the unique building, aqueducts will be amazing
@@EMETRL the first aquaduct will be strong
“It’ll be a pretty minor science bonus”
-Potato, 2 days ago
When I first saw the ability of Babylon and saw Mass Production unlocked and skipped through the tech tree.
*ITS VENETIAN ARSENAL TIME BABY*
Having seen some other comments from civ youtubers and such, i think people are already sleeping on Babylon. Two things
1. This is low-key a very aggressive civ. Kill a barb with a slinger, you get archery. Two more archers and you have crossbowman. An iron mine gets you swordsman. IMMEDIATELY. The early war potential on this civ is incredible and because conquering civs and other aggressive play can net you free techs you can freely explore both sides of the tech tree without sacrificing one or the other.
2. The early bonus on district building is better than others give it credit for; just because it's not "ongoing" doesnt mean its bad. If i early build an industrial zone im not just getting a workshop; im getting the 3 production plus city state benefits plus great engineer points for the rest of the game. An early shrine is potentially an early religion. Early library means you start constructing great library that much faster. Lighthouse and market are two trade routes that can generate value that turns into gold and trading posts which is more gold which is gonna buy you something faster.
People who think this civ isnt gonna be bonkers probably dont chop woods cuz they dont wanna lose the yields.
i really don't like to chop them:p but yeah i still do it when needed:p
the upgrades are going to be very gold intensive without access to mercenaries that early in the game. it will almost force you to go to war to get resources just to take advantage of all the nifty things you can make, but have neither the production nor gold to
Imagine rushing 3 archers to instantly research machinery and getting crossbowmen in ancient era
Civ 6 - Frontier Pass November Update: "...on steriods..."
Civ 6 - Babylon First Impression: "....on steriods...."
Civ 6 - November Update Alternate Title: Give great people and China steroids.
Edit: Also Potato, Babylon's unique unit is not an anti-cavalry replacement, it is a MELEE unit. You can see at 6:23 in your video that the spearman symbol is still there, not Babylon's unique unit.
Looks like it doesn’t replace anything but just exists in the ancient era.
Oh no.
This makes them even more powerful since they are basically an anti-cavalry unit but without the downside that melee units deal +10 CS against anti-cavalry
OMFG, you're right. We're doomed.
@@bernardonegri5416 in the video you could also see that they only have 17 base strength so they're going to lose to Warriors anyway, just not as badly
@@bernardonegri5416 not like babylon will even use them as they can pretty much just skip the early game lol they’ll just get infantry instead
Love everything you do potato. Keep up the amazing work
Imagine just finishing up making a wheel and looking over the river to see Babylon building the world’s first plane
This civ will be monstrous for CULTURE victory. Babylon will not need any science income at all to get all the techs they need, and will be able to get them all several eras before other civs. You build ancient walls, which gives you engineering, then you build an aqueduct, which gives you military engineering and reveals niter, then you build a niter mine, which gives you rifling, which is the only immediate prereq for steel and refining, allowing you to skip much of the lower half of the tech tree, and meaning you can potentially research steel in the classical era and start building Eiffel. Completing Eiffel unlocks flight. Building a national park unlocks seaside resorts. GLOBALIZATION GIVES YOU GDRS. Changing to Democracy unlocks Computers for the global +25% tourism. Building 2 aerodromes unlocks Synthetic Materials and the Biosphere.
Other chains like the shortcut to Rifling also exist, like farm a resource unlocks the palgum, building the palgum unlocks lumber mills, building a lumber mill unlocks shipyards, building 2 shipyards unlocks ironclads. 3 mines unlocks workshops, 3 workshops unlocks industrialization, and an ironclad and a coal mine is another shortcut straight to steel and Eiffel. Honorable mention for 3x Archer unlocks Crossbowmen and 3x Tank unlocks Modern Armor.
S+ tier culture civ.
Now tell me how you are going to have the production to build the Eiffel tower in the classical era. Or the science to get steel.
Yeah I think Babylon is going to be a better culture civ than a science one, and their other victory types are going to have unique challenges to get over. Overall it seems to be a really fun and interesting civ to play as.
@@bernardonegri5416 You could have increased production if you also rushed industrial zones with 3x mines, and youre gonna need to build an aqueduct anyway too so its not unreasonable to have at least one decent production city. You could also have a Work Ethic holy site contributing. It would still be slow, but youre starting so early there's no way anyone would steal it from you
For those wondering, the total production save from those free buildings are:
Shrine = 70
Library = 90
Barracks = 90
Market = 120
Lighthouse = 120
Consulate = 150
Amphitheatre = 150
Arena = 150
Workshop = 195
Ferris Wheel = 290
Hanger = 495 (380 in Gathering Storm)
Total = 1920 (1805 in Gathering Storm) if you built all of them
+ 4 envoys (1 each from Dam, Aquaduct, Canal and Neighbourhood)
I made this comment, perhaps I can get your opinion on it:
So, I rush a builder. If I have a farm resource, a quarry resource, and a mine resource, I get three techs in three turns.
Then I find a civ, and i get writing. I build a campus, it gets a library. Chances are in a few turns i get a scientist, so I get the eureka for a university. I chop thar university in my campus, adjacent to a mountain, and I can get the Potala palace before anyone else.
Of course, I may be on a Dark age then... but I get to use the dark policy cards for whatever I want, lol.
Or, I can go military, rush three slingers, kill a barb, upgrade to three archers, upgrade to two crossbowmen, and puff, fastest bombards ever. Well timed with magnus for some chopping and you got an army of 3 crossbowmen and a bombard very early in the game.
Definitely some interesting uses here.
Plus, I believe you will build up campuses for the great ppl points, NOT for the science. And the governor for great people points is going to be insane for it, plus more food and production to run campus projects?? Immediately S tier like you mentioned
About the military route, it is not going to be that efficient because at that point I don't think you have enough gold/production to build the bombards.
But it is what Potato said: with the right start, you can do anything with this civ. You would certainly need Magnus to chop the university so early.
@@bernardonegri5416 I think it might be enough with one bombard, honestly, and you do have extra production from their unique building, but we will wait and see. Definitely a unique playstyle which is what I wanted to see
aren't there other techs you have to research that stop you b-lining the tech tree like that?
@@bigfudge2031 it's shown in the video that Babylon doesn't care about that, they just get the tech immediately
Really interested to see how you would play it, also the AI seems scary
The Ai for it won’t be good cause they don’t play around eurekas.
@@greyaiden228 You'll see :)
@@greyaiden228 Ed Beach tweeted that the ai are very strong as Babylon. they work hard to get the eurekas
Love you Potato! And I think the Sabum Kittum is like an expensive scouting warrior, like the Sumerian War-cart
@@PotatoMcWhiskey play it with tech shuffle!
The breakdown of new Civs by potato is so helpful and informational.
To clarify some things (correct me if I'm wrong):
1.each first special district gets the cheapest building
2.each first non-special district (aqueducts and stuff) grants an envoy
3.the special unit doesn't replace anything, it's just an extra unit with a base strength of 17 of melee class (+10 against anti-cavalry, +17 against cavalry)
4. their unique building doesn't get unlocked with the Wheel-technology
If you know more of those clarification facts, please leave a comment!
I love your videos potato! I'm sure you hear that a lot but its been a crazy year and your consistent videos have honestly helped
Literally just got out of the shower let's gooo
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There are 2 types of districts, speciality and engineering. The free envoy is given for any district that doesn't qualify for the free building. So I would assume it is for the Government Plaza, Dam, Canal, Aquaduct, Neighborhood, and Spaceport. All these districts either have no buildings or have exclusive choices that the player must manually pick from.
I've been looking forward to this all day
Potato: "Is gonna be helpful against Civs that rush you with cavalry..."
Me, who always gets rushed by Warriors and Slingers: "Hey, this Unit will be great against those stupid Horsemen Barbarian Camps that spawn 6 Units in 6 rounds... thx."
I'll be looking forward to your speed run with Babylon.
I'll also be looking forward to another run with the Tech tree on shuffle
So keen to see a playthrough of this
is it wrong that i get more excited to see potato's reaction vid's rather than the actual vids Civ releases?
What I love about this civ is that the eureka focused ability encourages a very well rounded empire
This feels like it'll be nerfed. As long as you're playing skillfully, you're getting to XBows, Swordsmen, and Horsemen before you can even blink. The other perks seem interesting and nice, but the eureka ability alone makes it feel like a savage domination civ.
But shout out to the Water Mill replacement - I like it when they give love to an underused building.
The thing is, you also need the production to get those units out in enough numbers (and later on resources as well). Getting an early crossbow or two, or similar unit is good defensively, but offensively the AI swarm of units will make it not as overpowered as it seems for domination. Not very early domination, anyway, and you also won't have the card for unit production most of the time, since that will come from the non-boosted culture tree.
Until the game screws you by making the eureka's near impossible to obtain.
I'm not entirely sold. The ceiling of this ability is very high no doubt but without those eurekas, the 50% science reduction is going to hurt early game.
@@Jack_Rakan You can also get to factories pretty easily. I read it in another comment. Three mines give Apprenticeship. This gives a free Workshop to your first Industrial Zone (which comes in the Ancient Era). Two more Workshops and you get Industrialization with Factories and Coal Plants. Then, with two Coal Power Plants, a Coal Mine and two Shipyards (Mass Production, unlocked by building a lumber mill), you can have oil and artillery.
Finally, a civ that could potentially out-science Korea.
This Civ will never out-science Korea they will just move through the tech tree faster because of the Eureka boosts. Pretty sure Korea only cares about those with a high science per turn output so she is still going to hate your guts
they'll certainly out tech korea but it remains to be seen how significant a hit your science per turn feels when playing on deity, i imagine Korea will be able to stay ahead of you in science per turn
Getting so much of the tech tree so quickly is also going to massively increase the value of your chops.
Thanks I needed potato to understand what that was all about.
Can’t wait to see you play as them
I heard a rumor of 50% science per turn penalty.
Isnt there a scientist that grants you an Eureka on all information era techs? It will be crazy good.
Yes there is. The only issue: that is usually the very last Great Scientist in the game.
Abdus Salam iirc
@@johnquach8821 maybe not for long as new scientists are coming.
A Babylon run in a TSL map would be amazing. You could discover a natural wonder really quick, and immediately build your holy site.
I’ll be expecting this turn 120 science Victory video from you soon lol
I'm looking forward to your let's play of this civ
My understanding of "Nina Ilu Sirum" is that the first encampment , campus holy site and commercial hub etc will give the first building for free. The first Aqueduct, dam and other non speciality districts will give you an envoy
I think dam and aqueduct and space port are just districts and not specialty districts. In the first part it said specialty district, in the next part it says just district. The wiki says this: The Specialty Districts are Holy Site, Campus, Harbor, Commercial Hub, Entertainment Complex, Theater Square, Industrial Zone, and Aerodrome. The Spaceport is also counted as a Specialty District for certain bonuses, but is not subject to these production cost mechanics.
Everything about your videos is S-tier!
@6:24 you can see the icon for a spearman suggesting that this isn't a replacement. Additionally the wording as an ancient melee unit would seem unlikely a warrior replacement because its era score isn't at the beginning of the game in the screen where they show it after the classical age era boost - also disqualifying a swordsman replacement. It appears to be a uniquely Babylonian unit but I guess we'll have to wait for launch to know for sure. Cheers potato - can't wait to see the crossbow push when everyone else has slingers
Hammurabi: writes one of the most famous law codes
Civ VI dev team: ha ha district building go brrr
Yeah, interesting that there appears to be pretty much nothing regarding the government, other than envoys.
@@thesilvanalyst6880 agreed. Aside from policies, government forms, and and envoys there isn't much actual law making in civ6
This entire civ doesn't really radiate much Babylon-ness, imo. Really dislike the civs whose abilities exist just for variety without historical pertinence, since the charm of civ (at least for me) is the basis on history.
@@Keygentlemen if it is slightly based on history and it's playable I'm fine with it, so I like Babylon (not Hammurabi's ability though)
This civ SCREAMS one-city challenge.
just like irl...
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I read it as meaning that specialty districts get the free building, and other districts (like aqueducts etc) get an envoy.
Thank you potato nice this interesting
Babylon honestly seems more like a military civ than a science. Those early eurekas are generally easier to get and are going to give a massive spike to military tech. However, late game eurekas are some of the hardest to get (future tech doesn't have any) so late game science is going to be a huge slog. Also, a huge chunk of eurekas are military related and your going to want to do something with all those units you need to make. I think Babylon is going to be a "If you're not first, you're last" kind of civ.
Korea: I’m the strongest science civ!
Babylon: WHO DECIDED THAT?
Don't forget a very happy Scotland.
Well, Korea and Babylon were the two best science civs in Civ 5. Might as well continue the tradition
Johnny Boy Curtin is looking at you
I said this on Saxy's video but I find it hilarious that we'll finally have a use for the atomic era eureka boosting Great Scientist! xD
I think some notable things about Babylon right now are the following:
The leader ability is written the way it is due to the clause about Government Plazas. These are the effects as I read it: The first time you build a specialty district in your empire (excluding Gvt Plaza), you get the lowest production cost building in it for free. When you build a Government Plaza or a non-specialty district for the first time, you gain 1 envoy. This means that Dams, Aqueducts, Neighborhoods, Canals, and Government Plazas should all give +1 Envoy when they are built for the first time (for a total of +5).
Babylon's religion rush potential is deceptive. Babylon is rewarded for finding an early natural wonder with a nearly guaranteed religion. Astrology for free and the free shrine in your first Holy Site puts you on par with Russia's religion start. However, should you not find a natural wonder, your ability to gain a religion (particularly in high-difficulty games) is slimmer than most. -50% science means that Babylon takes twice as long to research Astrology as an equivalent civilization. Astrology requires 50 science (standard speed), requiring 20 turns maximum for any other civ (see next point for science per turn breakdown) and 40 turns maximum for Babylon. This is slightly mitigated by the free Shrine, but it is significantly worse than it is for other civs.
Babylon's start is awkward. Pottery, Animal Husbandry, and Mining all have no boosts, so combined with your slashed science yields, Babylon will have to slowly wait out forest chops, luxuries, and early housing. Even if you get the eureka for Bronze Working (thus revealing Iron), you may not be able to improve said Iron due to the lack of a eureka for Mining. The base cost of these 3 technologies is 25 science (standard speed). As a normal civ, you start with 2.5 science per turn (2 from Palace, .5 from population). This means that without growth, it will take 10 turns to research Mining. For Babylon, assuming the same situation, you would need 20 turns thanks to your 1.25 science.
Babylon's endgame is equally as awkward as its start (for a science victory). The key technologies for winning a science victory are largely boosted by only Spies or Great Scientists: Rocketry, Satellites, Smart Materials, and Offworld Mission can only be boosted in these ways. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely for you to be able to actually use Spies to gain these technologies, as you can only steal eurekas for technologies that the target has and you do not, meaning that someone else needs to be AHEAD of you in the science endgame in order for you to boost these techs through espionage. Additionally, there are no Great Scientists currently capable of boosting Future Era technologies, so those are out of the picture. The only Great Scientist that boosts Information Era technologies is also the very last Great Scientist: Abdus Salam, who boosts ALL Information Era technologies. Better hope that you snowballed your science immensely, because the base science cost of Future Era technologies is 2200 science (standard speed).
Because of the last point, I think that Domination is likely to be Babylon's true best victory condition. The vast majority of Eureka combos revolve around military units. For example, start the game by building 3 slingers and then prioritizing gold generation. Kill a barbarian with a slinger, unlocking Archery (and archers). Upgrade your slingers into 3 archers. This unlocks Machinery (and Crossbowmen). Upgrade 2 Archers into Crossbowmen. This unlocks Metal Casting. You now have access to Pike and Shot anti-cavalry, a Renaissance Era unit that requires no strategic resources, and all it cost you was 105 production for the Slingers and the gold required to upgrade them all the way up to Crossbowmen.
Turn 60... Still here researching pottery...
For the envoy thing, notice they said "specialty" district (minus government plaza). The non-specialty districts are the ones you get an envoy for. That means aqueduct, neighborhood, and government plaza.
Man with a couple days of thought, the number of wildly different builds you can go with as Babylon is staggering
Hey, remember me mate, I subscribed for 2 years ago, you had less than 30k subs. You taught me the game. I just want to say too, I was the Norwegian in your twitch chat, good to see you having 187K subs, proud of you man.
And that goddamn background sounds in the old days xD.
Thanks, the dogs still bark
Your reaction to the civ ability actually made me laugh
I'm actually thinking building an early monument and Theater Square will be super important with this civ. Rushing the Great Library takes priority over everything else early on. I would think getting up your campuses would be priority after getting a holy site and Theater Square. Production will also be important since many Eureka rely on production of certain buildings and units. Will be fun to see where the balance lies.
Early monument yes, but once you've got Drama and Poetry, you're not far off Recorded History.
@@kylenetherwood8734 yeah I would think it would be holy site and campus as the first districts in your first 2 cities, followed up government plaza and Theater Square. Will be fun to experiment.
I'm pretty sure that you get the envoy when you build a non-specialty district for the first time, e.g., aqueduct, dam, spaceport, neighbourhood.
9:20 ish;
Potato; I think it means you get the building for: Harbor, Commercial Hub, Industrial Zone, Campus, Holy Site, Entertainment complex, Aerodrome, Encampment, Water Park and Diplomatic quarter.
You get an Envoy when you build an Aqueduct, Dam, Government Plaza, or Neighborhood.
Babylon seems to be super-charged to accelerate into the mid-game and late game. They really fit into my play-style as well. Looking forward to this civ.
Just found my new favorite
The Spiffing Brit is gonna snap the game over his knee with Babylon, real talk
What are you talking about, there are no exploits in CIV IV it's a perfectly balanced game with no exploits whatsoever... now go fetch yourself another cup of Yorkshire Gold tea.
@@livedandletdie now civ VI on the other hand.... Way more exploits ;)
Please Potato, I want you to try. As much as you are able, maybe even make it a contest.. I want to see your absolute fastest science victory. Blind the world, WITH SCIENCE!
When it says unique melee unit, I think it doesn’t replace the spearman because when saying melee, that implies the melee promotion tree, so it’s probably unlocked somewhere else
Yup, i thinks it replace the warrior but have bonuses as a spearman
making the spearman even more redundant then...
My fav civ5 civ is finally back.
The UU is probably gained from the beginning of the game or something like that, like the Sumerian Warcart, as it is basically the counter option the the warcart
They explicitly mention the UU is an Ancient Era MELEE class, so I would presume it replaces the Warrior?
If so (and depending on production cost), it could be really strong with it's inbuilt (and buffed) anticav ability plus more move & sight.
I think it unlocks at bronze working
It reminds me good old Civ games (I to III) when Great Library was extremely powerful providing you with free techs as soon as two other nations discover it. And spies was stealing techs too.
You should definitely try to get a record fast science victory with this civ!
Looks badass! I like his character model too, except for his arms, haha. It almost makes Amanitore look normally proportioned by comparison. 😆
Hey do, like a civilization ranking or tier list btw love your vids and huge fan from Pakistan.
I think what they were trying to say with the special ability is that you get the first building when constructing the first of each type of *specialty* district (i.e. Campus, Holy Site, Encampment, Theater Square) and you get an envoy every time you build a non specialty district (i.e. Neighborhood, Canal, Dam, spaceport, Aerodrome.)
Holy cow, this civ was made for me! My most common gameplay is getting all boosts.
Civ 5 Babylon was my civ of choice, I'm so glad its back and will be feeling at a strength thats similar to Civ5's monster to be on low difficulties.
Imagine having guns before 0AD
i just looked at the tech tree, you could get crossbowmen in the ancient era, and then bombards pretty much immediately after.
The way I see this Civ been played is that you don´t want to build that many Campuses, one or two at most for the Great Scientist points, then in one of those cities with a Campus you put Pingala with the Grants promotion and also build the Oracle there.
Then all of your production can go in other districts, specially Theater Squares and Comercial Hubs.
Potato I think you're forgetting that Deity AI with Babylon once established would be unstoppable in certain scenarios
Depends. Are the ai smart enough to chase eureakas or are they just going to chug through the game earning science with a 50% nerf?
@@yaziyo I think they are gonna be weak as an AI except if the agenda says "Hammurabi likes to get as many Eureka boosts as possible. Likes others who do so. Dislikes civilizations who ignore boosts".
Step 1: Found a city on the coast. This unlocks sailing, allowing you to improve sea resources
Step 2: Train 3 slingers
Step 3: Kill a barbarian with a slinger. This unlocks archery
Step 4: Upgrade your 3 slingers into archers. This unlocks machinery, allowing you to build lumber mills
Step 5: Build a lumber mill and improve 2 sea resources. These unlock mass production and celestial navigation respectively, which allow you to build harbors, lighthouses, and shipyards
Step 6: Build a 2 harbors with shipyards. This unlocks steam power, revealing coal and unlocking ironclads
Step 7: By this time you will definitely have researched mining, so build a coal mine and train an ironclad. This unlocks steel
Step 8: Enjoy your battleships and artillery in the classical era.
This is especially good on a naval map because you will already have coal to fuel your battleships. As for the artillery, you can reveal oil by extracting an artifact, but this will take some time.
a couple things i noticed, the unite is a melee unite not anticav, I'm guessing warrior replacement. 2 the envoy clause seems to be for any district, where the free building seems to be for specialty districts.
Could also be a brand new unit not replacing anything, but otherwise a warrior replacement yeah. It only has 17 base CS after all. As for the envoy clause, it says it's for "other" first districts, so it should be referring to non-specialty districts such as aqueducts, dams, canals, aerodromes etc
@@Kuddochan agreed
I don't think it's a warrior replacement. The historic moment for getting it in the video came after Iron Working, but you would get the historic moment for a warrior replacement when you start the game.
I've been begging for Babylon as a civ since launch, thank God it's finally here!!
I would say you get the free envoy when you build a non-specialty district for the first time (gpv plaza, aqueduct, dam, canal, neighborhood etc. ) they build a gov plaza at 5:48
What would happen if two same specialty districts in two different cities in your empire are built on the same turn and both districts are the first of that specialty district in your empire? If you get the first building in both of the districts, that would be insane.
Feels like Potato is nursing a semi whilst going through this Civ.
I think the deal with the district ability breaks down like this; the first half is the first of any specialty district and the second half applies to any district's first construction both specialty and non-specialty ( excluding the government plaza). That eas my interpretation
Tech/Civic Shuffle Mode with Babylon would be quite the challenge.
You can see spearmen in the tech tree in the First Look so the unique unit is not a spearmen replacement. It's either a warrior replacement or just a new standalone unit.