I spent a little more today to get the embrace 360. Seeing both at the store, it just looked nicer having the frame go all the way around. Also bought a strong low profile foundation. I gave up on platform beds with their weak slats, or slats that are spaced too far apart which severely cut the mattress lifespan a lot.
Just received and assembled the emBrace queen size bed frame. Incredibly user friendly assembly instructions. The frame is solid and is second to none esthetically.
Hi! I'm so excited I just purchased an EnGauge online for my new Latex mattress that I'm about to order. After two bad experiences with a sagging mattress I realized that much of that probably DID have something to do with the frame, so I bit the bullet and sprung for this one. Also, upon my search I realized that there were very few frames out there that were built COMPLETELY level. Some that seemed strong enough through the rails had wonky feet that would collapse and others that seemed strong and sturdy had a 0.5 difference from the rails to the center support bar... which would mean that the center beam from my my box frame wouldn't even touch the center beam of the metal frame without a little dip. May not seem like a big deal but it was to me. I'd also like to thank you for taking the time to respond to my request for a recommendation on a mattress last month. My endless research and comparisons finally lead me to latex. All the best ~A~
I have the emBrace queen sized. Have had it for multiple years now. Bought it used (used it as a showroom frame for their mattresses). Could not be more happier about this frame. No issues at all. Made with recycled railroad tracks BTW. Amazing product.
I work for the company that works for the company that makes these frames! We put a lot of design expertise into them! they certainly are as good as Michael says they are. The load test of 2500 lbs is no joke. individual legs were tested in a press, but we did a static test on a 4 legged sample size frame with several bags of concrete sitting on the frame for several years! you won't be disappointed if you buy one.
Do you guys sell legs to this frame separately? I'm trying to make it higher so we can have some room. It's only like 6born7 inches which is not enough
Thanks for this video! Thought I would go with the cheaper model but ended up with the premium model because of your in depth explanation and comparison. It will be here Thursday :) Thanks!
Hi Mike. I just came across this video while checking the dimensions of the box for the emBrace. I thankfully came across this awesome frame when I was in Macy's, and it is arriving today. It already seems like the best bed frame a person can buy, and I am glad to see you gave it your stamp of approval. Keep up the good work posting these videos. You help a lot of people.
I just got mine from macys also I was a little disappointed at i can't fit my storage bins underneath. I'm trying to find out if I can attached higher legs to this frame
@@goodbed I couldn't ask for much more in a bed frame. It takes longer to get out of the box than it does to assemble. With this frame, I know that any creaks or movement come from the mattress and box springs (no real way around that). The frame is heavy and solid, and it should basically last forever. The frame was much more expensive than the $89.00 frame they sold me with the bed, but that thing flexed and groaned with the slightest movements with the relatively thin steel and spindly legs.
Purchased the emBrace in the Queen size. Absolutely rocksolid, and simple to assemble. Please note, in this size there are only seven legs, which is perfectly fine. You only get nine legs on the largest King size configurations. This is the best bedframe I have ever owned. Highly recommended.
Thank you, I have wasted so much money replacing mattresses and bed frames for my son. He is 5'10 and weighs 240lbs. My son has Autism, and sensory regulation difficulties. I am absolutely considering the emBrace. Again, thank you this review has been quite helpful!
Nice video. I saw another frame exactly like this and the representative said that was manufactured by Helix mattress. Is called Helix bed frame. Is way cheaper than engauge just makes me think if they use more inferior material to make their own frame even though it looks same as this by Engauge🤔
I bought this frame based on this video. We went from a cheap old metal frame to the enGauge and the motion transfer is worse with the engauge. Yes, our mattress is an innerspring mattress so some motion transfer is expected but I’m so disappointed in the engauge frame.
Hi there -- Thanks for your comment, and very sorry to hear about your experience. FWIW, the only explanation I can think of for how this frame could be the cause of worsened motion isolation is if your floor is not 100% level, meaning the weight is not evenly distributed across the legs. In that case, the increased strength and stability of this frame would actually be a negative since it wouldn't just bend to accommodate the contours of the floor, and would instead tend to "rock" back and forth as weight is shifted on the mattress - sort of like a wobbly table at a restaurant. So that might be something to check. If it's not that, then I would have to assume there must be some defect with the specific unit you received. I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Thank you so much for the reply. It is an older home so I'll check the floor. If that's not the case then I agree that it might be a defect because I consistently see positive reviews for the frame.
I purchased King size embrace and you can NOT put it inside a headboard/side rail/footboard. The sides sit out too far/rounded. I even removed the piece of wood that runs down the side rails still a no go. Need another 1”+. Then I said I would ditch the footboard & side rails and just attach the headboard, but, the metal slots on the frame don’t line up with the metal threads on the headboard. I will try to just screw it in but not sure how well that will hold.
Hi Jacqueline -- Ugh, I'm very sorry that this didn't work smoothly with your bed. Unfortunately, furniture tends to be very idiosyncratic. So sadly, this case is a good example of why we couldn't say in the video that doing this will definitely work (only that it will "likely" work). In any case, I really appreciate you sharing this experience and hope your solution ends up working out in the end.
I knickerbocker embrace bed frame is so easy to install. They sell the upgrade one call embrace wraparound bed frame. 50$ more than the regular embrace bed frame. How to install the embrace wraparound bed frame? Is most same like the regular one?
Thanks for the review. I purchased the embrace but the wraparound version. Awesome frame but I'm getting Mattress slippage ( shifting ). I have bed bug water proof protection covers on both mattress and box springs. Any advice
@@seanthompson1980 I never got a reply, but I got slippage because I used a box spring and then the mattress on top. If you don't use a box spring then the mattress would fit in grooves and not slip on it's own but like most of us, we all use box springs to prevent mattress getting damaged. To avoid the slippage I had bought a gripper pad and it keeps it from slipping. Google ways to prevent mattress slippage
Hi Arin -- You're right that for most people, the enGauge will provide plenty of strength, in which case the added strength of the emBrace is not going to be a big factor. For those people, the main difference between the emBrace and enGauge will be the aesthetics, which of course is entirely a matter of personal preference. I hope that's helpful.
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. The EmBrace weighs about 70 lbs in a queen size and the EnGauge weighs a bit less than that. In terms of adding plywood to make them into a solid platform, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do that.
Ordered my 360 Embrace full, picking it up today. What kind of box spring, slats, bunkie board etc. is best for these if getting a hybrid or memory foam mattress? Something that doesn't slip and slide and stays sturdy?
Hi Sean. We don't cover those products, but you're correct in thinking you'll need a sturdier support for today's heavier mattresses. The Zinus brand seems to get great overall reviews on Amazon. We tend to like metal box supports generally, and bunkie boards that have a frame, which really helps hold them in place, like this one: www.amazon.com/Zinus-Assembly-Bunkie-Board-Replacement/
Thanks for your explanation of theses bed frames. I am very interested in getting them. Any advice on converting them so that you won't need a box spring? I see they make additional supports. Could this work? or maybe just some plywood?
Hi Amos. You could probably figure out how to do that by combining extra supports with wood or wood slats. And if your mattress is on the lighter side, that would also help.
Just bought the engauge for my new beauty rest black pillow top. I have the old school metal frame similar to the engauge but without a center support. My question is I have a old school metal headboard that screws in. Will it work on this new gram style?
Hi Juliana. That's a great question for Knickerbocker. Here's their contact information: www.knickerbockerbedframe.com/contact-us/ It's always a gamble matching bed frames to furniture since there's so much variation. But frame manufacturers have adapter kits and guidance on that. Hope that helps.
@@stormwulf117 Not sure how you're measuring it, but that sounds weird. If it doesn't fit a standard full-size foundation then that is definitely a manufacturing defect and you should certainly be able to return / replace it.
I have bought this frame for King bed and never used a headboard with until now. I am not sure how to connect it with headboard. The headboard is having grooves but bed frame edge is flat. Am I missing some equipment that connects bed frame to the headboard?
Hi. Most bed frames come with brackets to attach a headboard. It's possible those brackets were in your box -- but you didn't install them because they weren't needed at the time (or maybe they weren't in the box for some reason). I would contact Knickerbocker and ask them to send replacement brackets. Here's their contact page: www.knickerbockerbedframe.com/contact-us/ Hope that's helpful!
I am currently serving with the US Military in South Korea and if you know of one, I am looking for a reseller that will ship to an Army Post Office (APO). I was also wondering, what are the brand and model of the foundations with the fans built into them, that are behind the frame in this video?
Hi Scott -- Thanks for your question. I'm afraid I'm not sure about which sellers would be able to ship to that location. Have you already tried asking the manufacturer? They do sell this product directly to consumers, so it's quite possible they would be able to get it to you. FYI, you can do that here: www.goodbed.com/o/m/knickerbocker-bed-frames/ In terms of the foundations, I'm afraid that is a product that was subsequently discontinued so is no longer available. Sorry I can't be of more help on these but I hope that was at least somewhat helpful nonetheless.
Please answer ASAP, I already have a king bed with head and footboard and the 3 cheap slats already broke. Can I fit this (EmBrace) inside of my existing king size bed? Thank you.
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. Just to be clear, this frame is not a substitute for slats. As you can see in the video, there is only one cross bar here, and that's not nearly enough to support a mattress on its own. To support a mattress you need slats that are spaced no more than 3" apart. Put differently, slats are a type of foundation -- an alternative to a box spring or a platform bed. This is a frame, which is something that a box spring or platform would rest on. As for whether it will fit inside your existing furniture, I'm afraid this is impossible for us to answer without knowing the exact dimensions of your furniture. That being said, what I can say is that there certainly are beds whose dimensions would allow you to drop this frame right in. If you are averse to measuring, the dimensions of this frame are going to be very close to the dimensions of a mattress in that same size. So if after you remove the existing slats from your bed, there is room to drop your mattress through it with perhaps a smidge extra to spare, then I would think this frame would drop right in nicely. But you'll still need some kind of solid surface to put on the frame to go under your mattress. I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Yes that was very helpful and thank you for responding. I didn't even know you had responded. I am sorry if I wasn't clear, my bed has a mattress and a box spring already and the wooden slats and legs broke. I have since then purchased the Knickerbocker bedbeam for all 3 of my beds to replace the 3 slats. All of my bedroom sets have side rails and footboards so you are correct with no being able to use Embrace or Engage bed frame. I do have another bedroom that only has a mattress and box spring and I may be able to use the knickerbocker frame in that instance.
Hi Kelly -- Thanks for your question. Those are ventilated "CoolControl" foundations from a company called WinkBeds. I'm not sure if they are available at the moment, but you can find out more about them here: www.goodbed.com/o/p/373913/winkbed-coolcontrol-base/
Can this be used as a platform bed or no? I really like the design and especially that it's made in the USA... I just don't want a box spring anymore, I'd rather have a lower profile bed.
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. This is a bed frame, but as you can see there is only one bar going across the middle, so it is most definitely not a platform that could support a mattress without a foundation. A platform would require either a solid surface or slats placed no more than 3" apart. So, with some DIY ingenuity and some plywood, you could probably turn this into a platform, but what it's meant for out of the box is to place a foundation / box spring on it, and then place your mattress on top of that. I hope that's helpful.
Hi Amber -- Thanks for your question. Just like with any other bed frame, you'll definitely need some kind of solid foundation under the mattress. Most mattresses today need to be supported by a surface that is either solid or has slats that are spaced no more than 3 inches apart. As you can see in the video, this frame does not provide that on its own so is not intended to support a mattress directly. I hope that's helpful.
I have the embrace king size its good but is there any way to make them higher its like 6 or 7 inches high I can't slide my wife's bins underneath? The legs are not square so I don't know if the ones I see on Amazon are safe or good for this type of frame
Hi. I would contact Knickerbocker on that -- I'm sure this is a question they answer frequently. I don't see that they sell any type of riser, but they may be able to recommend one. Contact them here: www.knickerbockerbedframe.com/contact-us/
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. This foundation does not have casters (ie, wheels), so you would just lift it to move it. If you had to slide it though, you could. The feet are smooth and relatively wide and even have a slightly beveled bottom edge that would make it even easier to slide across a carpet. That said, if it's on hardwood floor, we would probably recommend putting a felt pad on the bottom of each foot, just like you might for any other piece of furniture. I hope that's helpful.
Yes that was very helpful. If you don't mind just 2 more questions please, I like to store things under the bed like 7-7.5 inches tall. Will 7 thru 7.5 inches fit under this bed and which support do you think is more sturdier, the vertical or the horizontal for the middle beam, is there a big difference of the 2? Thanks
@@screeech1 No problem. Re: your other two questions: 1) TBH I'm not 100% sure of the exact clearance but I know it's right in that 7.0"-7.5" ballpark, which is standard for most traditional bed frames. So if there is something you have been storing under a bed before, my expectation would be that you would be fine storing that same thing under either of these frames. 2) In terms of which is sturdier, I assume you mean which of the two frames shown in this video? If so, the emBrace is certainly a bit sturdier but I think for all practical purposes for the vast majority of people, the enGauge is plenty sturdy. Beyond that, the main differences between the emBrace and enGauge will more aesthetic in nature, rather than functional. I hope that's helpful.
Thanks for your reply. For question 2 I was asking, about the 3rd support bar. is there a big difference if the bar is horizontal compared to vertical. I've always seen horizontal support bars/beam, Ive never saw a vertical support bar/beam. Is a vertical support as good as a horizontal support bar/beam? Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help.
I know the video is 4 years old but I just got a twin embrace frame given to me and there's no center bar. Does it take screws at all? I have a couple pieces that I'm not sure what their function is. Thanks
Hi Chad -- The model we assembled in the video didn't require a single screw. Every step was shown in the video. I've never actually assembled a twin size version, but I wouldn't expect it to have a center bar. Center bars simply aren't necessary at that width. As for the extra pieces and screws you ended up with, I'm at a loss! Sorry I can't be of more help on that one.
For luxury mattresses that have a coil structure very close to the bottom surface logic dictates a flat surface for the springs to do their work: example is a Sterns & Foster euro pillowtop Reserve#1(duh a 5200$ mattress ). Like this guy says the "EmBrace"is a bulletproof bed frame. Click on my green icon to see how i modified mine to accept the Cal.King Sterns &FosterReserve#1. Expand to see the short videos of how to.
Thanks David. To clarify for the benefit of other readers, normally we would expect that someone using this frame would have a box spring that would rest directly on the frame, and then the mattress would be placed on top of the foundation. In this type of normal situation, I don't think any modifications are necessary. However, I could see how the solution you showed would work well for someone that doesn't have a foundation, or just wants to use this frame without the added height of a foundation. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Bob -- Thanks for your question and sorry we missed this earlier. Yes, those are ventilated, fan-operated "CoolControl" foundations from a company called WinkBeds. I'm not sure if they are available at the moment, but you can find out more about them here: www.goodbed.com/o/p/373913/winkbed-coolcontrol-base/
Hi Ben -- Thanks for your question. No, you can't attach a separate footboard to the emBrace or enGauge frames. However, you can attach either a headboard or an entire bed (that goes around all 4 sides, including headboard and footboard) to both of them. I hope that's helpful.
Click on my green icon to see how i modified my California King "Embrace to be freeking bullet proof, have a headboard(mine can be modified with a saber saw to put in a high art hardwood slab at any time when i have more $$), and a overhang of 3&1/2" for a foot board at any time. Have a Sterns & Foster Reserve #1 with this frame, and bed skirts/comforter from Waterford fine linens(picted it from thousands of choises on "Touch of Class bedding").
@@goodbed there is a version that has a foot board end to it, it is called the Wrap Around. the foot board end has corners and an end similar to the side rail of the embrace. it is basically the same frame but with a wrap around foot board end. might be how it got the name:)
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. One of the remarkable things about the design of this frame is that it requires absolutely no tools -- neither for assembly nor for disassembly. All the pieces just drop right into other pieces. In case you missed it, you can see the entire assembly process of both frames at 6:48 in the video. What is shown is literally the entire process -- we didn't do any pre-assembly before we started filming. To take it apart, it would just be the exact same process in reverse. I hope that's helpful.
I'm extremely pleased with the EMBRACE. I'm constantly looking to score a couple more at a good price. I'll tell you this, I was ready to throw out our mattress, due to me just not being satisfied, but the EMBRACE changed the whole dynamic of sleep quality and saved out mattress from going to the "graveyard". From now on, I want nothing less than KNICKERBOCKER EMBRACE's. To answer your question, its snap n click. No tools are necessary! AMAZING!!!
Hi Xavier. Thanks for sharing this observation. We will certainly share this with the manufacturer, as I'm sure there are others out there who would be interested in under-bed storage options as well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
GoodBed good design and functionality should be a priority to manufacturers should they listen to consumers. Square footage prices are high and optimizing space is a priority to the 99 percentile. Just one little inch just one.
Just to close the loop on this, we did connect with the company to share this feedback. Without taking anything away from the OP's suggestion here, they did point out that you can slide storage under the bed from the front. Thought that was worth noting for the benefit of other readers here. Thanks again for the comment.
Hi Jose -- Thanks for your question. There is no doubt in my mind that either of these frames can handle any kind of nocturnal gymnastics that you can throw at them. 😊 Re: sliding, this is going to depend more on the surface your bed frame is on. If you're on carpet, I don't see sliding being an issue. If you're on hardwood or tile floor, I would recommend putting some non-slip adhesive pads on the bottom of the feet. The bottom of each foot has plenty of surface area for a nice big grippy pad. That should ensure this thing won't slide around. Here are some highly-rated adhesive pads like this that you can buy on Amazon: amzn.to/2ErwChH I hope that's helpful.
Tony, may I ask what type of box spring/foundation you wound up using. I'm trying to find out which one doesn't produce sliding, or noise etc. I'm not getting my answers in the comment section although this page has been very helpful, still!
I have the emBrace... can't be beat! So easy to put together. Amazingly simple and rock solid!
Can you fit any totes under it?
What do you suggest the best base to go with it?
I spent a little more today to get the embrace 360. Seeing both at the store, it just looked nicer having the frame go all the way around. Also bought a strong low profile foundation. I gave up on platform beds with their weak slats, or slats that are spaced too far apart which severely cut the mattress lifespan a lot.
Just received and assembled the emBrace queen size bed frame. Incredibly user friendly assembly instructions. The frame is solid and is second to none esthetically.
Glad you're happy with it! Thanks for letting us know.
Hi! I'm so excited I just purchased an EnGauge online for my new Latex mattress that I'm about to order. After two bad experiences with a sagging mattress I realized that much of that probably DID have something to do with the frame, so I bit the bullet and sprung for this one. Also, upon my search I realized that there were very few frames out there that were built COMPLETELY level. Some that seemed strong enough through the rails had wonky feet that would collapse and others that seemed strong and sturdy had a 0.5 difference from the rails to the center support bar... which would mean that the center beam from my my box frame wouldn't even touch the center beam of the metal frame without a little dip. May not seem like a big deal but it was to me. I'd also like to thank you for taking the time to respond to my request for a recommendation on a mattress last month. My endless research and comparisons finally lead me to latex. All the best ~A~
I have the emBrace queen sized. Have had it for multiple years now. Bought it used (used it as a showroom frame for their mattresses). Could not be more happier about this frame. No issues at all. Made with recycled railroad tracks BTW. Amazing product.
Hi Gary. Thanks for the comment. Yep, our readers all seem to confirm our findings that these frames are really sturdy and indestructible.
I work for the company that works for the company that makes these frames! We put a lot of design expertise into them! they certainly are as good as Michael says they are. The load test of 2500 lbs is no joke. individual legs were tested in a press, but we did a static test on a 4 legged sample size frame with several bags of concrete sitting on the frame for several years! you won't be disappointed if you buy one.
Hi Michael. That's cool! Great to hear from "someone on the ground." We appreciate the comment!
Do you guys sell legs to this frame separately? I'm trying to make it higher so we can have some room. It's only like 6born7 inches which is not enough
hands down, best support to help your mattress last longer!
Best purchase I ever made 😊
you just saved me $100, Macy’s was going to charge for delivery and setup!!! 🤩
EXCELLENT!! Don't spend it all in once place!! Thanks for the comment :)
Shit, I almost made the same mistake. Save some good money.
Thanks for this video! Thought I would go with the cheaper model but ended up with the premium model because of your in depth explanation and comparison. It will be here Thursday :) Thanks!
Fantastic! Please let us know how you like it, and thanks for the comment!
Hi Mike. I just came across this video while checking the dimensions of the box for the emBrace. I thankfully came across this awesome frame when I was in Macy's, and it is arriving today. It already seems like the best bed frame a person can buy, and I am glad to see you gave it your stamp of approval. Keep up the good work posting these videos. You help a lot of people.
Hi Ryan. Thank you for leaving a comment! Do come back and let us know how the frame works out for you.
Happy New Year!
I just got mine from macys also I was a little disappointed at i can't fit my storage bins underneath. I'm trying to find out if I can attached higher legs to this frame
@@goodbed I couldn't ask for much more in a bed frame. It takes longer to get out of the box than it does to assemble. With this frame, I know that any creaks or movement come from the mattress and box springs (no real way around that). The frame is heavy and solid, and it should basically last forever. The frame was much more expensive than the $89.00 frame they sold me with the bed, but that thing flexed and groaned with the slightest movements with the relatively thin steel and spindly legs.
@@DaMadpenciler My suggestion is to just buy shorter storage boxes. I don't think it would be the best plan to put this frame on risers.
Purchased the emBrace in the Queen size. Absolutely rocksolid, and simple to assemble. Please note, in this size there are only seven legs, which is perfectly fine. You only get nine legs on the largest King size configurations. This is the best bedframe I have ever owned. Highly recommended.
Thanks for the feedback and glad it's working for you!!
How much was the queen size embrace Bryan Hester?
Your videos are SO helpful, thorough, and honest. Thank you very much for helping us with this tricky buying process.
Hi -- and thank you so much for the kind compliment!!
I have two Embrace frames in my house, incredibly good foundations that will last forever... I said it! FOREVER. They are the best.
Thanks for the comment! We agree they are really well built frames.
Can you fit any storage boxes underneath?
@@crystalheard5895 yes, a lot. The space is about 5.5" high
@@RF3seeker Thank you 😊
Just got the embrace in a queen. It’s awesome.
Fantastic! Thanks for the comment and enjoy your frame!
I have the embrace in king size . I must say it’s everything they said it would be . Worth the money !
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great explanation
I had to subscribe 👍🏾👍🏾good video 📹
Thanks Don -- so glad you found it helpful!
Thank you, I have wasted so much money replacing mattresses and bed frames for my son. He is 5'10 and weighs 240lbs. My son has Autism, and sensory regulation difficulties. I am absolutely considering the emBrace. Again, thank you this review has been quite helpful!
Our pleasure Lori -- thanks for letting us know it was useful for you!
Super AWESOME video!!!!! Very helpful!
Great! I'm very glad to hear it. Thanks for letting us know!
OMG! Thanks for the video.
Our pleasure Giddel! So glad it was helpful for you!
Nice video. I saw another frame exactly like this and the representative said that was manufactured by Helix mattress. Is called Helix bed frame. Is way cheaper than engauge just makes me think if they use more inferior material to make their own frame even though it looks same as this by Engauge🤔
Great review!!!!!!
Thanks for letting us know it was helpful for you!
I bought this frame based on this video. We went from a cheap old metal frame to the enGauge and the motion transfer is worse with the engauge. Yes, our mattress is an innerspring mattress so some motion transfer is expected but I’m so disappointed in the engauge frame.
Hi there -- Thanks for your comment, and very sorry to hear about your experience. FWIW, the only explanation I can think of for how this frame could be the cause of worsened motion isolation is if your floor is not 100% level, meaning the weight is not evenly distributed across the legs. In that case, the increased strength and stability of this frame would actually be a negative since it wouldn't just bend to accommodate the contours of the floor, and would instead tend to "rock" back and forth as weight is shifted on the mattress - sort of like a wobbly table at a restaurant. So that might be something to check. If it's not that, then I would have to assume there must be some defect with the specific unit you received. I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Thank you so much for the reply. It is an older home so I'll check the floor. If that's not the case then I agree that it might be a defect because I consistently see positive reviews for the frame.
I purchased King size embrace and you can NOT put it inside a headboard/side rail/footboard. The sides sit out too far/rounded. I even removed the piece of wood that runs down the side rails still a no go. Need another 1”+. Then I said I would ditch the footboard & side rails and just attach the headboard, but, the metal slots on the frame don’t line up with the metal threads on the headboard. I will try to just screw it in but not sure how well that will hold.
Hi Jacqueline -- Ugh, I'm very sorry that this didn't work smoothly with your bed. Unfortunately, furniture tends to be very idiosyncratic. So sadly, this case is a good example of why we couldn't say in the video that doing this will definitely work (only that it will "likely" work). In any case, I really appreciate you sharing this experience and hope your solution ends up working out in the end.
I knickerbocker embrace bed frame is so easy to install. They sell the upgrade one call embrace wraparound bed frame. 50$ more than the regular embrace bed frame. How to install the embrace wraparound bed frame? Is most same like the regular one?
Thanks for the review. I purchased the embrace but the wraparound version. Awesome frame but I'm getting Mattress slippage ( shifting ). I have bed bug water proof protection covers on both mattress and box springs. Any advice
I'm totally awaiting the advice too, my Embrace arrives tomorrow and totally trippin out about slippage and what to do about it.
@@seanthompson1980 I never got a reply, but I got slippage because I used a box spring and then the mattress on top. If you don't use a box spring then the mattress would fit in grooves and not slip on it's own but like most of us, we all use box springs to prevent mattress getting damaged. To avoid the slippage I had bought a gripper pad and it keeps it from slipping. Google ways to prevent mattress slippage
But is it worth double the price to buy the embrace if engauge can hold up a king size mattress and two people?
Hi Arin -- You're right that for most people, the enGauge will provide plenty of strength, in which case the added strength of the emBrace is not going to be a big factor. For those people, the main difference between the emBrace and enGauge will be the aesthetics, which of course is entirely a matter of personal preference. I hope that's helpful.
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How much do these frames weight? Also, can these be made into solid platform beds by adding plywood to them?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. The EmBrace weighs about 70 lbs in a queen size and the EnGauge weighs a bit less than that. In terms of adding plywood to make them into a solid platform, I don't see any reason why you couldn't do that.
What would be needed to attach a headboard to the emBrace?
Ordered my 360 Embrace full, picking it up today. What kind of box spring, slats, bunkie board etc. is best for these if getting a hybrid or memory foam mattress? Something that doesn't slip and slide and stays sturdy?
Hi Sean. We don't cover those products, but you're correct in thinking you'll need a sturdier support for today's heavier mattresses. The Zinus brand seems to get great overall reviews on Amazon. We tend to like metal box supports generally, and bunkie boards that have a frame, which really helps hold them in place, like this one: www.amazon.com/Zinus-Assembly-Bunkie-Board-Replacement/
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Thanks for your explanation of theses bed frames. I am very interested in getting them. Any advice on converting them so that you won't need a box spring? I see they make additional supports. Could this work? or maybe just some plywood?
Hi Amos. You could probably figure out how to do that by combining extra supports with wood or wood slats. And if your mattress is on the lighter side, that would also help.
Just bought the engauge for my new beauty rest black pillow top. I have the old school metal frame similar to the engauge but without a center support. My question is I have a old school metal headboard that screws in. Will it work on this new gram style?
Hi Juliana. That's a great question for Knickerbocker. Here's their contact information: www.knickerbockerbedframe.com/contact-us/
It's always a gamble matching bed frames to furniture since there's so much variation. But frame manufacturers have adapter kits and guidance on that.
Hope that helps.
Will this accommodate a Full size box spring/foundation? I think Full is 54 inches wide and this frame only goes 53 inches wide?
These should fit all standard sizes. Where did you see that this frame only goes to 53 inches?
@@goodbed I got one a few days ago and I measured it. The frame is only 53 inches wide.
@@stormwulf117 Not sure how you're measuring it, but that sounds weird. If it doesn't fit a standard full-size foundation then that is definitely a manufacturing defect and you should certainly be able to return / replace it.
I have bought this frame for King bed and never used a headboard with until now. I am not sure how to connect it with headboard. The headboard is having grooves but bed frame edge is flat. Am I missing some equipment that connects bed frame to the headboard?
Hi. Most bed frames come with brackets to attach a headboard. It's possible those brackets were in your box -- but you didn't install them because they weren't needed at the time (or maybe they weren't in the box for some reason). I would contact Knickerbocker and ask them to send replacement brackets. Here's their contact page: www.knickerbockerbedframe.com/contact-us/
Hope that's helpful!
I am currently serving with the US Military in South Korea and if you know of one, I am looking for a reseller that will ship to an Army Post Office (APO). I was also wondering, what are the brand and model of the foundations with the fans built into them, that are behind the frame in this video?
Hi Scott -- Thanks for your question. I'm afraid I'm not sure about which sellers would be able to ship to that location. Have you already tried asking the manufacturer? They do sell this product directly to consumers, so it's quite possible they would be able to get it to you. FYI, you can do that here: www.goodbed.com/o/m/knickerbocker-bed-frames/
In terms of the foundations, I'm afraid that is a product that was subsequently discontinued so is no longer available.
Sorry I can't be of more help on these but I hope that was at least somewhat helpful nonetheless.
Please answer ASAP, I already have a king bed with head and footboard and the 3 cheap slats already broke. Can I fit this (EmBrace) inside of my existing king size bed? Thank you.
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. Just to be clear, this frame is not a substitute for slats. As you can see in the video, there is only one cross bar here, and that's not nearly enough to support a mattress on its own. To support a mattress you need slats that are spaced no more than 3" apart. Put differently, slats are a type of foundation -- an alternative to a box spring or a platform bed. This is a frame, which is something that a box spring or platform would rest on.
As for whether it will fit inside your existing furniture, I'm afraid this is impossible for us to answer without knowing the exact dimensions of your furniture. That being said, what I can say is that there certainly are beds whose dimensions would allow you to drop this frame right in. If you are averse to measuring, the dimensions of this frame are going to be very close to the dimensions of a mattress in that same size. So if after you remove the existing slats from your bed, there is room to drop your mattress through it with perhaps a smidge extra to spare, then I would think this frame would drop right in nicely. But you'll still need some kind of solid surface to put on the frame to go under your mattress.
I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Yes that was very helpful and thank you for responding. I didn't even know you had responded. I am sorry if I wasn't clear, my bed has a mattress and a box spring already and the wooden slats and legs broke. I have since then purchased the Knickerbocker bedbeam for all 3 of my beds to replace the 3 slats. All of my bedroom sets have side rails and footboards so you are correct with no being able to use Embrace or Engage bed frame. I do have another bedroom that only has a mattress and box spring and I may be able to use the knickerbocker frame in that instance.
What were those "foundations" you out down on top of the king sized Embrace? Thanks! 🙂
Hi Kelly -- Thanks for your question. Those are ventilated "CoolControl" foundations from a company called WinkBeds. I'm not sure if they are available at the moment, but you can find out more about them here:
www.goodbed.com/o/p/373913/winkbed-coolcontrol-base/
Can this be used as a platform bed or no?
I really like the design and especially that it's made in the USA... I just don't want a box spring anymore, I'd rather have a lower profile bed.
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. This is a bed frame, but as you can see there is only one bar going across the middle, so it is most definitely not a platform that could support a mattress without a foundation. A platform would require either a solid surface or slats placed no more than 3" apart. So, with some DIY ingenuity and some plywood, you could probably turn this into a platform, but what it's meant for out of the box is to place a foundation / box spring on it, and then place your mattress on top of that. I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Ya I figured as much, it would be nice if there was an option from the company to have this as a platform... thanks for your quick reply!
@@UltraVert Our pleasure -- glad to help!
Hi! Do I need a box spring for this frame or can I just lay mattress directly on it?
Hi Amber -- Thanks for your question. Just like with any other bed frame, you'll definitely need some kind of solid foundation under the mattress. Most mattresses today need to be supported by a surface that is either solid or has slats that are spaced no more than 3 inches apart. As you can see in the video, this frame does not provide that on its own so is not intended to support a mattress directly. I hope that's helpful.
The embrace queen size has 7 legs right? I was hoping it had 9 like the King
That's correct -- the Queen emBrace has seven legs while the King has nine.
I have the embrace king size its good but is there any way to make them higher its like 6 or 7 inches high I can't slide my wife's bins underneath? The legs are not square so I don't know if the ones I see on Amazon are safe or good for this type of frame
Hi. I would contact Knickerbocker on that -- I'm sure this is a question they answer frequently. I don't see that they sell any type of riser, but they may be able to recommend one. Contact them here: www.knickerbockerbedframe.com/contact-us/
@@goodbed thank you so much. It is a very strong frame though
how does It moves on the floor/carpet?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. This foundation does not have casters (ie, wheels), so you would just lift it to move it. If you had to slide it though, you could. The feet are smooth and relatively wide and even have a slightly beveled bottom edge that would make it even easier to slide across a carpet. That said, if it's on hardwood floor, we would probably recommend putting a felt pad on the bottom of each foot, just like you might for any other piece of furniture. I hope that's helpful.
Yes that was very helpful. If you don't mind just 2 more questions please, I like to store things under the bed like 7-7.5 inches tall. Will 7 thru 7.5 inches fit under this bed and which support do you think is more sturdier, the vertical or the horizontal for the middle beam, is there a big difference of the 2? Thanks
@@screeech1 No problem. Re: your other two questions:
1) TBH I'm not 100% sure of the exact clearance but I know it's right in that 7.0"-7.5" ballpark, which is standard for most traditional bed frames. So if there is something you have been storing under a bed before, my expectation would be that you would be fine storing that same thing under either of these frames.
2) In terms of which is sturdier, I assume you mean which of the two frames shown in this video? If so, the emBrace is certainly a bit sturdier but I think for all practical purposes for the vast majority of people, the enGauge is plenty sturdy. Beyond that, the main differences between the emBrace and enGauge will more aesthetic in nature, rather than functional.
I hope that's helpful.
Thanks for your reply. For question 2 I was asking, about the 3rd support bar. is there a big difference if the bar is horizontal compared to vertical. I've always seen horizontal support bars/beam, Ive never saw a vertical support bar/beam. Is a vertical support as good as a horizontal support bar/beam? Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help.
I know the video is 4 years old but I just got a twin embrace frame given to me and there's no center bar. Does it take screws at all? I have a couple pieces that I'm not sure what their function is. Thanks
Hi Chad -- The model we assembled in the video didn't require a single screw. Every step was shown in the video.
I've never actually assembled a twin size version, but I wouldn't expect it to have a center bar. Center bars simply aren't necessary at that width.
As for the extra pieces and screws you ended up with, I'm at a loss! Sorry I can't be of more help on that one.
@@goodbed thank u. I put it up just after. I assume there may have been a headboard that didn't come to me, but all good! Awesome little frame! Best
@@hangingwithchad Aha, yes that's probably it! They probably provide you with the screws to attach a headboard, should you ever choose to do that.
For luxury mattresses that have a coil structure very close to the bottom surface logic dictates a flat surface for the springs to do their work: example is a Sterns & Foster euro pillowtop Reserve#1(duh a 5200$ mattress ). Like this guy says the "EmBrace"is a bulletproof bed frame. Click on my green icon to see how i modified mine to accept the Cal.King Sterns &FosterReserve#1. Expand to see the short videos of how to.
Thanks David. To clarify for the benefit of other readers, normally we would expect that someone using this frame would have a box spring that would rest directly on the frame, and then the mattress would be placed on top of the foundation. In this type of normal situation, I don't think any modifications are necessary. However, I could see how the solution you showed would work well for someone that doesn't have a foundation, or just wants to use this frame without the added height of a foundation. Thanks for sharing.
Can u put a split box spring on this frame ?
Yes, for sure. Thanks for the question, Lillian.
Are those fans in the boxsprings?? Tell me more! Thx!
Hi Bob -- Thanks for your question and sorry we missed this earlier. Yes, those are ventilated, fan-operated "CoolControl" foundations from a company called WinkBeds. I'm not sure if they are available at the moment, but you can find out more about them here:
www.goodbed.com/o/p/373913/winkbed-coolcontrol-base/
can a footboard be attached to this frame
Hi Ben -- Thanks for your question. No, you can't attach a separate footboard to the emBrace or enGauge frames. However, you can attach either a headboard or an entire bed (that goes around all 4 sides, including headboard and footboard) to both of them.
I hope that's helpful.
Click on my green icon to see how i modified my California King "Embrace to be freeking bullet proof, have a headboard(mine can be modified with a saber saw to put in a high art hardwood slab at any time when i have more $$), and a overhang of 3&1/2" for a foot board at any time. Have a Sterns & Foster Reserve #1 with this frame, and bed skirts/comforter from Waterford fine linens(picted it from thousands of choises on "Touch of Class bedding").
@@goodbed there is a version that has a foot board end to it, it is called the Wrap Around. the foot board end has corners and an end similar to the side rail of the embrace. it is basically the same frame but with a wrap around foot board end. might be how it got the name:)
@@michaelkonieczny863 Thanks for the tip!
Can u attach headboard
Hi Darius -- Yes, this bed frame has brackets at the head of the bed that should allow you to attach it to a headboard.
What tools are requires to take this apart? I don’t want to throw mines away
Hi there -- Thanks for your question. One of the remarkable things about the design of this frame is that it requires absolutely no tools -- neither for assembly nor for disassembly. All the pieces just drop right into other pieces.
In case you missed it, you can see the entire assembly process of both frames at 6:48 in the video. What is shown is literally the entire process -- we didn't do any pre-assembly before we started filming. To take it apart, it would just be the exact same process in reverse.
I hope that's helpful.
I'm extremely pleased with the EMBRACE. I'm constantly looking to score a couple more at a good price. I'll tell you this, I was ready to throw out our mattress, due to me just not being satisfied, but the EMBRACE changed the whole dynamic of sleep quality and saved out mattress from going to the "graveyard". From now on, I want nothing less than KNICKERBOCKER EMBRACE's. To answer your question, its snap n click. No tools are necessary! AMAZING!!!
a joke...you cant even store a standard 6 inches flat storage box underneath - great engineering indeed !!
Hi Xavier. Thanks for sharing this observation. We will certainly share this with the manufacturer, as I'm sure there are others out there who would be interested in under-bed storage options as well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
GoodBed good design and functionality should be a priority to manufacturers should they listen to consumers. Square footage prices are high and optimizing space is a priority to the 99 percentile. Just one little inch just one.
Just to close the loop on this, we did connect with the company to share this feedback. Without taking anything away from the OP's suggestion here, they did point out that you can slide storage under the bed from the front. Thought that was worth noting for the benefit of other readers here. Thanks again for the comment.
My real question issss.. can these bed frame handle wild sex?.lol do you think it'll slide back and forth? I'm thinking about that embrace!
Hi Jose -- Thanks for your question. There is no doubt in my mind that either of these frames can handle any kind of nocturnal gymnastics that you can throw at them. 😊
Re: sliding, this is going to depend more on the surface your bed frame is on. If you're on carpet, I don't see sliding being an issue. If you're on hardwood or tile floor, I would recommend putting some non-slip adhesive pads on the bottom of the feet. The bottom of each foot has plenty of surface area for a nice big grippy pad. That should ensure this thing won't slide around. Here are some highly-rated adhesive pads like this that you can buy on Amazon:
amzn.to/2ErwChH
I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed thank you so much. Appreciate your answer and help.
@@tonyaguilar2151 My pleasure Jose. I'm glad that was helpful.
Tony, may I ask what type of box spring/foundation you wound up using. I'm trying to find out which one doesn't produce sliding, or noise etc. I'm not getting my answers in the comment section although this page has been very helpful, still!