very important information about the weight of the product. great presentation in general. Thanks. Would love to hear from people who own. this especially if they are sleeping on the Saatva Classic with innersprings -- they tell me it works but it's hard to believe . . . . .it would seem like the springs would splay everywhere or crimp up. I've been wanting to buy but still in disbelief that the innerspring won't fall apart on tis base. Anyone?
You saved the day! I had the lock button set and the remote wouldn't work. I tried everything to reprogram the remote, according to other UA-cam instructions. Finally, you showed me how to get it out of lock mode, and voila! It worked! I was really dismayed, sleeping last night without being able to put it in zero gravity for my knee that hurt so much. Now I see the value of having an adjustable bed when you are hurting! Thank you for your video. I LOVE MY SAATVA BED AND ADJUSTABLE BASE! I can't live without it!
Thank You so much for this review! Based on this we purchased the Loom and Leaf Saatva King bed with Lineal adjustable bed base. We could not be happier! High quality mattresses and adjustable frame. I hurt my back two months ago and this is the first morning I have not work up in pain! Again, thanks so much for doing these reviews, you have impacted our lives in a positive way and I am sure many others!
My pleasure Keith! I'm really glad to know that the these videos were helpful for you, and that you are so pleased with your purchase. That is extremely gratifying to hear -- thank you for letting us know!! As an aside, might you consider leaving a review on GoodBed, where people who are shopping for a mattress and looking for unbiased information will find it more easily? So far, there are 182 ratings of this brand but only 6 written reviews, so I'm quite sure your experience would be useful to other mattress shoppers. If you're willing, here is a direct link to where you can post your review of this mattress and your experience using it on the Lineal base: www.goodbed.com/review-mattress/manufacturer/loom-leaf/ Thanks again!
I got a king size Lineal base and Saatva Luxury Firm mattress about a month and a half ago, before seeing your great video. The base was the best purchase I have ever made (maybe I exaggerate a little) and I absolutely love and am thrilled with it. However I am disappointed in the mattress. It works perfectly fine with the base and is now "bendy" enough to fit the base just fine. The base fits nicely in my four poster canopy bed and is beautiful and elegant. The base that I received has a different fabric which is more of a gray upholstery fabric and looks very nice. 100% please with the Lineal Base. The luxury firm mattress is just to firm and I wake up with total body pain every morning. Probably going to give it another week with the topper that Saatva sent to me and if that doesn't solve the firmness problem will switch the mattress for a Plush Soft or maybe a Zenhaven. Thanks for the video, I did learn that I don't have to hold the buttons continuously to get to the saved positions. Great video.
Hi Mona -- Thanks so much for your kind words, and for sharing your personal experience with these products! I am very glad to hear that the Lineal base has worked out so well for you. In terms of selecting the right mattress for you, it sounds like you're on the right track. Just as an FYI, we've also produced in-depth video reviews of the Saatva, Zenhaven, and many other mattresses. Each of our video reviews focuses on explaining which type of sleepers are going to be the best match for that mattress, so you may find these helpful should the topper not work out for you. Likewise, we also have a sophisticated mattress match quiz on our site that can help quickly narrow the universe of choices for you and will also enable you to see your match score for any given mattress (simply by finding that mattress on our site after having taken the quiz). You can find the match quiz here: www.goodbed.com/mattress-finder/ I hope that's helpful.
Mona Moon, Did you end up getting the Plush Soft, or did the Luxury Firm work well for you with the mattress topper. My husband and I both are side sleepers, 200LB each. We want to get the king. And if the mattress is awesome, we will get it, and the base (as a surprise for my hubby-he'll know when he comes home and sees it. But for now, he is on the road, for work, so I'm the one testing out mattresses. UGH)
Thank You for the answer. I have to try to get it in a basement. I have a Queen 5. 5 box spring down there now. I am getting a Full now. Once again Thank you!
Thanks for the excellent video, as well as for replying thoroughly to questions in the comments section where your additional info has been very helpful. I just got my adjustable base and luxury firm mattress. They now use a metal foot retainer instead of two plastic corner retainers. The remote is different from this video. The instructions for the Zero Gravity button says, "Press to adjust the base to the factory default ZG position. To reprogram, adjust the base, massage, and underbed light to the desired position . . ." What does that even mean with regard to adjusting the base? Adjusting it to what? And why would you adjust the light? There aren't even any instructions on the underbed light as to adjustability. I know you don't have this remote, but if any of your viewers do, please help me figure this out. It says this on some of the other buttons, too.
Hi -- thanks for the comment. Typically, those buttons are set to what the manufacturer thinks is the idea position for (for example) Zero G, TV or reading, anti-snore, etc. Usually (and it sounds like this is the case here) those buttons can be reprogrammed by the user, so you can save "custom" settings. For example, maybe you try the factory Zero G setting but don't love it, so you adjust the head a little higher, or the foot a little lower. You would then follow the instructions to reprogram the button, which effectively saves your custom position, so next time you hit that button, the bed would move into that customized position instead of the factory default. I would imagine the underbed lighting is only on or off - I don't believe there's a dimmer on it. Hope that helps!
@@goodbed - Thank you for replying. The underbed light is definitely a questionable thing to say you can adjust. I love the base. I'm having a hard time getting comfortable with the mattress no matter how I adjust the base. Hoping it just needs breaking-in.
Hi Nick. Thanks for the comment. We have not tested the DreamCloud adjustable base, but it looks like all of its features are ones that are shared with the Lineal -- a zero gravity mode, USB ports, and a massage/vibrate mode. It comes with a 50-night trial and a 3-year warranty. The Lineal model reviewed here is what we use in our videos when we test mattresses -- so you can see it in action in almost any of our other videos. Hope that's helpful.
GoodBed Thank you for the information! I have discovered this as well since leaving my comment. It also seems that the Saatva adjustable frame has the wall hugging ability, which the Dreamcloud base does not. As well as the lights underneath. So it seems the Lineal bass is the more superior base despite being $400 more. But that wall hugging technology is worth it for me!
Thank you for the lovely presentation. Do you sell them to overseas customers. I presume the remote is battery operated. Do you send them to Malaysia? Many thanks. I look forward to your reply.
Thank you for your prompt and thorough response. Sincerely appreciate it. Your provided link is not valid, please resend. The side rails on my sleigh bed hook onto the head/foot boards. Metal hooks, like two downward crooked finger...into slots of the head/foot boards. So if the side rails are not 'wide' enough, seems I would have to drill/bolt into the head/foot boards. Thank you for your time.
Great, thank you for letting me know that the information was helpful Bill. Re: the link, I had pasted the link twice by accident -- sorry about that. I just updated it in my original response. Here is the picture: www.saatvamattress.com/_img/shop-gallery-large-5.jpg
I've been finding all your reviews very helpful. Based on all my research I'm really leaning towards a coil hybrid so I'm most interested in a saatva since my main concerns are firmness and coolness. Two questions in regards to adjustable bases. We are interested in those because I tend to get bronchitis in the winter and when I do, I can only sleep in a reclining position. An adjustable base sure would be nicer than trying to stack a million pillows up. We would be considering a split king which is essentially two twin xls, I believe. 1. How do the mattresses hold up in the folds after being folded many times? Will the mattress "break down" in those folds? 2. How noticeable is the seam between the two twin mattresses? Will we be constantly noticing the division in the mattresses when we roll over?
Hi Crystal -- Thanks for your questions, and I'm very glad to hear that our reviews have been helpful for you. Before I address the questions, I just want to make sure you're aware that only the 11" version of the Saatva mattress is compatible with an adjustable base (not the 14" version). Now, to take your questions in order: * Yes, two Twin XL mattresses side by side are basically the same dimensions as a standard King mattress. * How a mattress holds up after being folded many times is definitely one of the things we consider when we talk about adjustable base compatibility, and it's one of the reasons we don't think of this metric as strictly binary, because some mattresses are technically compatible but will wear faster or in different ways if used on an adjustable base. In terms of how the Saatva will hold up on an adjustable base, there isn't a lot of empirical data on this because it was less than 6 months ago that Saatva re-engineered their 11" model to make it adjustable base friendly (before that it wasn't), so there is limited data available from users on how it does over time on an adjustable base. That said, my expectation -- based on the construction of the mattress (which does actually feature some reinforcements in the middle third of the bed) and the fact that the company is making a big push into adjustable bases -- would be that it would hold up very well on this front. * In terms of the seam, you will probably notice this a little, but how much that bothers you is going to be a matter of personal preference. Based on feedback we hear from others, my guess is that you'll prefer not to sit or lay directly on the seam and that you'll probably notice the seam if your shoulder happens to land right on it when you're moving across the bed, but that otherwise it won't be a problem. Also, if you'll be using the bases on hardwood floors without securing them to a headboard or other piece of furniture, you may want to secure them together in some way (e.g., by tying something around the two adjoining feet at the head and foot of the bed). These bases are quite heavy so shouldn't move very much but this would ensure that they can't slide apart at all. The bases may even have a built-in way of physically connecting together, so you may want to ask the delivery people about this as well (and let us know what you find out!). I hope that helps.
Great review but with the massage feature you said it was head and foot but on the website it says full body massage. I am really looking for the full body for my back so just want to clarify that it does have that feature.
Hi Kristen -- AFAIK, no adjustable bases on the market today offer anything more "full body" than the head + foot massage capabilities that we showed in this video. I think the idea behind that terminology was that since it covers both the top half and the bottom half of the body (and can alternate back and forth between them in various coordinated "wave" patterns), it's "full body." I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed,I didn't understand that at first, thanks so much. I need to check out your review of the Legett Platt 2.0 as I'm down to that one and this one.
I just reviewed your video and found it an excellent review of your adjustable bed. One issue was I discovered, no retainer corners had been installed at installation. I have a split king and one or the other mattress slides down when head is raised. How do I get a set of retainers for split mattresses.
Hi James -- Thanks for your kind words. And just for the sake of clarity, this isn't "our" product -- we are a 100% independent website that reviews products from all of the major brands and retailers in this category. Re: your question, if you received an adjustable base that did not come with something along these lines, I would contact the retailer from whom you bought it ASAP. That is almost definitely an error. All adjustable bases need to have a way to hold the mattress in place and prevent it from sliding. The most common is a retainer bar at the center of the foot of the bed. Next most common would be something on the corners like the base we show here. Beyond that, the only other solution I've seen is a base whose top surface is velcro-like in order to keep the mattress from sliding. But even this doesn't work for all mattresses (they need to have the right kind of fabric), so even those bases tend to have a retainer option as well. I hope that's helpful.
Thanks Robert! I'm very glad you found this helpful. In terms of your question, when the legs were set to 8", the top of the base was 16" off the ground, so without the legs, the rest of the base is technically 8" thick. That being said, it might be worth noting that you can not use this base without the legs. When the bed is elevated, the mechanism extends down below the top of the legs by several inches. So if you simply unscrewed the legs and put the base on a flat surface, you would not be able to elevate it. I hope that helps.
The Saatva web site states: "The Lineal™ Adjustable Base by Saatva. It works with all of our 11.5" high mattresses." It appears that you have the 14.5" high mattress. Is that correct?
Hi David -- Thanks for your question. If you are asking about which mattress is shown with the base in this video, it was actually the Loom & Leaf Relaxed Firm. I hope that's helpful.
+john the great Thanks for your question. Most all foam or latex mattresses do tend to conform very well to an adjustable base. However, I have also seen many innerspring mattresses that contour just as well. So, if one of those innerspring mattresses were a better match for you on other fronts, I wouldn't shy away from it. Hope that helps.
Hi Amanda -- Thanks for your question, and kind words. Yes, a split king has roughly the same dimensions as two twin XL mattresses. So it would go on two twin XL bases, which would be very similar to how it would work if you had two twin XL mattresses. The only functional difference of course is that with the split king approach, you would not be able to elevate the foot of the bed independently on each side. I hope that's helpful.
Overall excellent review! Two missing items: 1.Please tell the exact dimensions. I have a custom-made wooden bed frame, with substantial headboard, footboard and side rails. I need to know if this base will fit in my frame. (Is this the current model?) 2. Please describe the feel of the "massage" feature. Is it actually just vibrations? Thanks.
Thanks Karen! Re: the exact dimensions, beyond noting that the platform on our base is consistently a good fit for a queen size mattress (making it roughly 60"x80", as one would expect), we didn't take precise exterior measurements, so your best bet is to go to the company for that information. Re: the massage, like all adjustable bases, this feature is based on vibrations (as we showed in the video). So, one could certainly describe the feel of it that way. IMHO, the word "massage" tends to oversell this feature a bit, since It certainly is nothing like having a human knead your back. However, describing it as merely "vibrations" likewise may undersell it a bit -- the sensation created by the vibrating motors is quite relaxing, and the "wave" feature on this base definitely enhances this sensation. I hope that's helpful.
Hi Emily -- Thanks for your question, and your kind words. I'm very glad to know this was helpful. In terms of your question, this base does not have an app that controls it -- just the wireless remote shown in the video.
Love your videos!!! Wondering if you have any experience with the Nectar bed? Also, (you do not have to answer lol) curious to know what kind of bed you personally own?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question and kind words! No, we haven't done a formal review of the Nectar mattress yet, however it is on our list. We prioritize our reviews based on interest from our users, so your interest in this review will be noted. FYI, once the Nectar review is published, you'll be able to find it on our site here: www.goodbed.com/mattresses/nectar/ You can also subscribe to our channel to be notified when it comes out. In terms of your other question, you are correct in suspecting that I might not be inclined to answer it, but in case it isn't clear why, the reason is simply that I don't want to inadvertently mislead anyone into buying that mattress. Mattresses are largely about personal fit -- and statistically, it's very unlikely that a person reading this will have the same needs and preferences as me. This usually means that my mattress would not be the best match for them. That said, I've come to learn that this truth can be difficult to accept, and that when a simple answer is available (e.g., this guy knows a lot about mattresses, and he sleeps on _____), it can be very compelling. So, to avoid the possibility of inadvertently mis-guiding anyone (especially since the mattress I sleep on isn't cheap!), I simply try to steer clear of discussing it. I hope that makes sense.
Hi there -- In case you're still shopping for a mattress, I just wanted to follow up on your question about the Nectar mattress to let you know that our full review of the Nectar is now available. You can check it out here: ua-cam.com/video/O6u1O2FDXes/v-deo.html
Hi Lisa -- Thanks for your question. TBH I'm not quite sure. As you can see at about 15:14 in the video, there are some places under this frame where a 7" tall container probably would not fit due to cross bars, but there are also plenty of places where it would. " The thing that gives me pause is that the base has moving parts on the underside of it and is not a "zero clearance" design. This means that the movement of those parts does go at least somewhat below the top of the legs. Put differently, by raising it off the ground, the legs provide the added clearance that these parts need when the base is elevated up and down. So for example, you could not elevate this adjustable base if it were on the floor without any legs attached to it. I don't know how much clearance those parts need, but I do know that the shortest leg settings are 6" tall. I somewhat doubt that in the 6" setting, the moving parts come any closer than 3" from the floor, which would mean that in the 10" setting, they would not come closer than 7". But I just can't be sure so would recommend checking with Saatva if this is something that is very important to you. Sorry I can't be of more help on this one.
Love this bed. However, out of the blue, the upright head position only goes up part way, not to the uppermost head position. Does anybody know what I can do to fix it?
Hi Wendy -- Thanks for your comment, and I'm so glad to hear you've been happy with this base. As far as troubleshooting the issue you're having, I'm afraid we can't' help much with that, but I'd certainly recommend reaching out to Saatva about it if you haven't already. Sorry we can't be of more help on this one.
I wonder if the mattress will wear out faster when used with an adjustable base? Also, I can't imagine the "massage" feels any different than mild shaking. Does the massage feature simply vibrate the bed?
Hi there -- Thanks for your questions. Re: the massage, yes the motors are creating vibrations that move across the bed. So it is certainly a different type of massage than what you'd get from a masseur or masseuse. That said, FWIW, I don't think "mild shaking" is a particularly accurate characterization of what it feels like. The motor moves at much too high a speed for it to feel like shaking IMHO. Would you describe the experience of riding in a car on a typical highway as one of mild shaking? Probably not. It's more of a smooth and soothing vibration, and to me that is a very different experience from anything I would characterize as "shaking." Re: the effect it has on the longevity of the mattress, it certainly can only increase the wear and tear on the mattress, since any mattress (and in particular the foam in a mattress) will break down a tiny amount each time it is compressed. That said, the degree to which this added wear will be material will vary. First, it will depend of course on how often you use the adjustable features -- especially having the base is in a fully articulated position (both head and feet fully up at the same time), which places the most strain on the mattress. But all of that being equal, the effect it has on the mattress will depend heavily on the overall durability and adjustable base compatibility of that particular mattress. FWIW, both of these attributes are things we assess in our in-depth mattress reviews, so if this consideration is important for you, I'd recommend focusing your search on mattresses that we've reviewed. You can see those here: www.goodbed.com/expert-reviews/#reviews I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Thank you for the detailed reply. I imagined the "massage" feature to act like those motel beds depicted in movies that shake. Sounds like some industrial-sized phone vibrators are in there!
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 My pleasure -- very glad that was helpful. And yes, the vibration from a phone would be a more apt comparison, though like you said it's obviously a stronger motor than in a phone.
Something not mentioned here is all adjustable bases are made in China. I had a lineal from Saatva and a ergo extended from tempurpedic and both bases are made in China. Kinda disappointing. Not sure if the same company makes them but sad to see a high price for some Chinese quality items.
Hi. Thanks for the comment. Most, but not all, adjustable bases are imported. Leggett & Platt -- who makes the S-Cape model that we've reviewed -- machines their own parts and makes theirs in the US. Here's our review: ua-cam.com/video/AD8NGI3hotc/v-deo.html Leggett & Platt also make the Lineal adjustable base featured here, and the Saatva website also states that it's made in the USA. What made you believe that the Lineal was made in China?
@@goodbed their instructions manual says its madein China. It doesn't say its made in the USA. Also you can only use the massage feature once every 30 mind with 30 minute rest times. The warranty is also not clear its not 25 years. Its only 3 after that you pay and after 5 only the frame is covered. Kinda disappointing after finding this out. Not sure if covid has caused quality to dip recently.
Hi Vickie -- Thanks for your question. In general, if the mattress is specifically made to be compatible with an adjustable base, then it should not have a large detrimental effect on the mattress. That said, the reality is that not all "adjustable base friendly" mattresses are equally resistant to excess wear from frequent use on an adjustable base. For example, lower density foam (whether in the core or in a foam perimeter) is more likely to break down when held in an elevated position for long periods of time (over years). By contrast, higher density materials like latex are likely to hold up better than most on an adjustable base. Also, for mattresses that are compatible with an adjustable base, the number of times the mattress goes up and down is less likely to be the cause of break-down than the amount of time the mattress is held in an elevated position. In our more recent reviews, we have started discussing these nuances of adjustable base compatibility, so for more info on this, look for reviews from us that have an "Adjustable Base Compatibility" section in their table of contents. I hope that helps.
Thanks for the great info regarding the frame, answered several of my questions. One thing I am still trying to figure out though is can this frame be used with a platform/wood slat bed? I've read other adjustable frames can be used if I remove the legs, do you believe that would work for this one? I'd like to buy the mattress and frame all together at once. Thanks in advance!
Hi Beverly. Thanks for the question. It's a hard one to answer definitively since furniture varies so much. The adjustable base becomes the frame, essentially. So ideally you would want a bed frame where you can drop the adjustable base right in. I do think its POSSIBLE with this model, however, because of the way the motor is situated. With most adjustable bases, the motor hangs down below the frame, but because of the wall hugger feature, the Lineal kind of uses a frame-within-a-frame, so the motor does not need extra space below the bottom of the frame. However, I would absolutely check with someone from Saatva. Here's the customer service number: 1-877-672-2882 Hope that's helpful!
@@goodbed Thanks for getting back with me! I contacted customer service as you recommended and they tell me it should work fine. I appreciate getting an outside recommendation from you!
Hi Barbie -- Yes, it is vibration at different speeds coming from two different motors (one under your back and one under your legs). The two motors can be operated separately, together, or in "wave" mode where they alternate back and forth. You can see more discussion of this at 6:46 in the video. In terms of what I think about it, I personally think it feels nice. All adjustable bases that offer "massage" capability use vibrating motors of some kind, so while the massage can certainly differ a bit across bases, the overall experience tends to be pretty consistent at a high level. It's certainly not the same as a Swedish massage (though as a Swede, I may be biased about that 😊), but I do find it relaxing / soothing in a different way. Perhaps one way to think about it would be as more akin to the massage jets in a hot tub (except less directed at a specific area of your body and without the water and heat aspects of course). I hope that helps.
Hi Audrey -- Thanks for your astute question. This gets to the heart of why we call this video a "product overview" rather than a "product review." I've personally tested dozens of adjustable bases, which is enough to be able to expertly explain their features, demonstrate how they work, and even provide context around how their feature set as a whole compares to other adjustable base options. However, we recognize that the value we provide relative to other sources of mattress information is truly *expert* independent information. Given the high standard we set for what constitutes true expertise, I don't feel I have sufficient expertise yet about adjustable bases to perform an expert *review*, as we do for mattresses. Once we do, your question will certainly be one we can answer. I hope that helps clarify, and we look forward to providing more detailed information like this in the future.
What about a reasonable description of the massage features? It seems I cannot find any reviews that will mention any detail regarding the massage feature... Like it is being deliberately avoided! It makes me suspect of the entire review as if that feature is something the company requests you skip over... I would be interested in this product even if it didn't include a massage feature BUT since it does have it - PLEASE give us some better feedback!
Hi -It appears the Lineal and the Leggett & Platt S-Cape 2.0 basically the same unit with the same features. The only difference is the plastic retainer corners on the Lineal as opposed to the metal retainer bar and mirco-hooks on the S-Cape to eliminate mattress movement. Am I correct in my assumption?
Hi Nancy -- Thanks for your question. On the face of it, it seems possible that that there could be a lot of similarities, since the Lineal base is indeed manufactured by Leggett & Platt. That said, I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with the full feature set of the S-Cape 2.0 to clarify the full extent of the similarities or differences that exist between these two products. When/if we do a similar overview for the L&P bases, I'll be in a much better position to answer this. Sorry I can't be of more help on this question in the meantime.
Hi Tichina -- Thanks for your question, and sorry I didn't get to it sooner. Yes, this adjustable base can be used with any mattress from any brand, so long as that mattress is adjustable base friendly (meaning, as long as the mattress is meant to be used on a base that flexes and bends). All the Beautyrest Black mattresses are adjustable base friendly, so you would be perfectly fine using that mattress on this base. I hope that helps.
How does the saatva mattress conform to the lineal base? Does a firm matress 'bend'? What about the connected coils? The firm foam edging? Does the movement of the lineal base soften, weaken, fatigue the innerspring Saatva mattress? Does the massaging feature adequately translate through the coil mattress?
Also I have an existing queen sleigh bed. Would the lineal base fit within the side rails. Or could the head/foot boards be attached to the lineal base?
Hi Bill -- Thanks for these thoughtful questions. The short answer is that the 11.5" version of the Saatva is compatible with an adjustable base, which is a change to their design that was made in the second half of 2017. This is true of any of the softness levels, though the softer ones (which differ only in the foams on top, not in the spring layers underneath) will probably conform slightly better. The foam perimeter will also bend with the mattress. You can see a picture of a Saatva mattress in an elevated position here: www.saatvamattress.com/_img/shop-gallery-large-5.jpg The massage question is an interesting one as we have not actually compared how the massage strength transfers through an innerspring vs all-foam mattress. My expectation though would be that if there is any perceptible difference, it would be driven by the amount of foam in the mattress. Overall, foam should certainly have more of a dampening effect on massage vibrations than springs. In terms of any impact that the adjustable use has on the mattress, pocketed coils have a proven history of being able to bend and flex on an adjustable base without any material weakening as a result. As for the connected coil part of the Saatva's construction, TBH I'm not sure how they made this compatible but I do take a lot of comfort in the fact that they not only say it's adjustable base compatible, but they even promote it's use on an adjustable base. I don't think this is something they'd do willy nilly as it certainly puts them squarely on the hook for any warranty claims that arise from using it on an adjustable base. In terms of your question about the sleigh bed, the answer is generally that the base should fit fine as long as your sleigh bed is just a perimeter with nothing going across the middle. The length and width dimensions of the adjustable base are no bigger than the mattress, so as long as your bed has room for the mattress to fit comfortable, the base should just drop right in. The base also has standard plates at the head where it can be fastened to your bed just like you would do with an ordinary bed frame. I hope that's helpful.
Hi Linda. No, you don't -- an adjustable based replaces any other foundation, like a box spring, so you don't need any foundation other than the adjustable base. Hope that's helpful!
Is there a less expensive adjustable base that would work with the Loom & Leaf mattress? Don't need extra features like lights, massage. Just upper/lower adjustable. Thx in advance.
Hi +Zumbunnies -- We did do an overview of another base that is not as fully featured but is popular on Amazon and less expensive. You can watch it here: ua-cam.com/video/OUvPmXfwf6s/v-deo.html
Hi Daniel -- Thanks for your question. You can check out our overview of the Motion Perfect base starting at 4:03 in this video: ua-cam.com/video/rmTVfnzk3Qg/v-deo.html I hope that's helpful.
Hi. We use the Lineal adjustable base in all of our mattress testing, and it's been reliable for us. I would not say we have "favorite" though (we try not to play favorites anyway). Not all bases come with headboard hardware, but the Saatva does.
Hi Mat -- Saatva recently reconfigured the 11.5" version of the Saatva mattress to make it adjustable base compatible. They did this specifically in connection with their launch of the Lineal base, so if you get one of the 11.5" Saatva mattresses, it should contour nicely to the Lineal base. It's also designed to feel the same as the 14.5" version, just with a thinner profile. With regards to the 14.5" version of the Saatva mattress, this one is actually *not* adjustable base compatible. Likewise, any 11.5" version that was purchased before the reconfiguring (which took place in early 2017) would not be adjustable base friendly either. I hope that helps.
Hi Mat -- Thank you very much for this suggestion. You are actually the first one to mention that product but your interest will definitely be noted. We try to prioritize all of our videos and reviews based on interest from our readers, so will keep our eyes and ears open for other readers who would value our review of that product.
Just bought a Saatva and used it on m adjustable base. Total bs that it doesn't flex at the bottom because it's new. This mattress is NOT good for an adjustable base if you need to use the leg part which I do. That's how I eliminated my lower back pain so this mattress is a waste of my time and false advertising. If it's supposed to work on an adjustable base it should do so, correctly and fully, immediately.
Hi Amy -- I'm very sorry you haven't had a good experience using the 11" Saatva on an adjustable base. That's helpful to hear. Is it just the foot of the mattress that doesn't conform to the base, or is it more than that? In any case, if you're not happy with your mattress for any reason I'd definitely recommend calling Saatva to get a full refund. In terms of the "BS," did you feel that something in this video was misleading? We tried to proactively point out that the foot of the mattress won't conform immediately to the base when the foot is elevated. That goes for most "adjustable friendly" mattresses actually, though there are certainly some that won't have this issue.
There's a gap sort of before the lower hump. The lower bend in the base. There's a gap before it and then the mattress touches that hump of course and then the very end of the mattress just sticks up. I'll be returning it as it's also more of a medium firm than plush soft as described. I tried the Helix out as well and it worked great on the base but slept hot. :P
Thanks for clarifying Amy. Per my previous comments, this sounds totally normal, but your feedback will nonetheless be very helpful for other mattress shoppers who share this priority. You are also the second person in recent days who described the Plush Soft model as firmer than they expected. We haven't tested that version directly, so we will factor this into our estimation of its overall softness level. Thanks again for sharing your experience.
nice try on the feet elevation and zero gravity positions, hilarious, just say don't use this with a new bed. Deal breaker for me. hahahahaha. I'd say 90% of people get a new mattress with a new base.
Hi Steve -- Are you referring to the point about the foot of the mattress sticking up a little rather than contouring to the base? If so, I'm not sure what you meant by "nice try" -- did you think we were trying to gloss over this point? To the contrary, we chose to specifically point that out so that people won't be surprised when this happens in their home. That said, you should be aware that this phenomenon is not unique to the Lineal -- it will happen on *any* adjustable base. Similarly, it isn't unique to the Loom & Leaf either -- it will happen with almost any mattress whenever you first start using it with an adjustable base. If the break-in period is a big concern for you, I would expect that an all-latex mattress (e.g., Zenhaven) would contour most immediately because latex is a very heavy and flexible material. Net, in case you are interested in an adjustable base, I just wanted to make it clear that any "deal-breaker" on this point relates to which mattress to buy, not which base. I hope that helps.
no, I just thought it was funny and how would anyone know it would relax in time to contour, there's no weight on that part of the bed to relax or wear it in, you should use a worn in mattress, that was what I thought was funny. Hilarious, in fact.
I see, thanks for clarifying Steve. We totally agree with you that most people wouldn't know to expect this. As a point of clarification, it's actually mostly the weight of the mattress itself that helps it contour over time, assisted a little of course by the weight of any legs / feet that are resting on that part of the mattress. That's why a mattress whose support core is made of a denser, heavier material (like latex) will contour more immediately. You could try using a "worn-in" mattress, but I don't think that would speed things up very much, since unless it has been used on an adjustable base, it won't have any added predisposition to bend in that way. Thanks again for your comment.
Thanks but seeing is believe, that's why you are not doing that company selling the beds any favors saying, just trust me. I'll figure it out, I know you are limited, but I quit trusting people in 1995, lol. No biggie.
Ha, fair enough. It's a good point that we may not be doing the company any favors by mentioning that -- but that's OK by me. We always want to be fair to the company, however our first priority is to look out for the consumer. So it was for the consumer's benefit that we mentioned it, not the company's. Anyway, thanks again for the dialogue on this.
very important information about the weight of the product. great presentation in general. Thanks.
Would love to hear from people who own. this especially if they are sleeping on the Saatva Classic with innersprings -- they tell me it works but it's hard to believe . . . . .it would seem like the springs would splay everywhere or crimp up. I've been wanting to buy but still in disbelief that the innerspring won't fall apart on tis base. Anyone?
You saved the day! I had the lock button set and the remote wouldn't work. I tried everything to reprogram the remote, according to other UA-cam instructions. Finally, you showed me how to get it out of lock mode, and voila! It worked! I was really dismayed, sleeping last night without being able to put it in zero gravity for my knee that hurt so much. Now I see the value of having an adjustable bed when you are hurting! Thank you for your video. I LOVE MY SAATVA BED AND ADJUSTABLE BASE! I can't live without it!
Oh no! How frustrating. Glad we could help!
You have the BEST reviews!! Appreciate you 🙌🙌
Thank you so much for letting us know they've been helpful for you!
Now THAT'S how you do a product review!!! Thanks for this, I'm ordering one tomorrow and this was extremely helpful.
Thanks Alan! I'm very glad to hear that this was helpful for you!
Thorough & helpful video from someone who has never commented! Kudos ~ well done!
Thank you so much!!
Thanks! Extremely detailed, informative and professionally delivered!
Thanks John! I really appreciate you letting us know this was helpful for you.
Thank You so much for this review! Based on this we purchased the Loom and Leaf Saatva King bed with Lineal adjustable bed base. We could not be happier! High quality mattresses and adjustable frame. I hurt my back two months ago and this is the first morning I have not work up in pain! Again, thanks so much for doing these reviews, you have impacted our lives in a positive way and I am sure many others!
My pleasure Keith! I'm really glad to know that the these videos were helpful for you, and that you are so pleased with your purchase. That is extremely gratifying to hear -- thank you for letting us know!!
As an aside, might you consider leaving a review on GoodBed, where people who are shopping for a mattress and looking for unbiased information will find it more easily? So far, there are 182 ratings of this brand but only 6 written reviews, so I'm quite sure your experience would be useful to other mattress shoppers. If you're willing, here is a direct link to where you can post your review of this mattress and your experience using it on the Lineal base:
www.goodbed.com/review-mattress/manufacturer/loom-leaf/
Thanks again!
Very helpful information! Outstanding video! Thank you!!
We are so happy it was helpful to you!
Thank you for your prompt reply. We could do with a GoodBed review in every country. I will contact them directly
A perfect overview ... thank-you!
Thanks George -- I'm really glad to hear it was helpful for you. Thanks for letting us know!
I got a king size Lineal base and Saatva Luxury Firm mattress about a month and a half ago, before seeing your great video. The base was the best purchase I have ever made (maybe I exaggerate a little) and I absolutely love and am thrilled with it. However I am disappointed in the mattress. It works perfectly fine with the base and is now "bendy" enough to fit the base just fine. The base fits nicely in my four poster canopy bed and is beautiful and elegant. The base that I received has a different fabric which is more of a gray upholstery fabric and looks very nice. 100% please with the Lineal Base.
The luxury firm mattress is just to firm and I wake up with total body pain every morning. Probably going to give it another week with the topper that Saatva sent to me and if that doesn't solve the firmness problem will switch the mattress for a Plush Soft or maybe a Zenhaven.
Thanks for the video, I did learn that I don't have to hold the buttons continuously to get to the saved positions. Great video.
Hi Mona -- Thanks so much for your kind words, and for sharing your personal experience with these products! I am very glad to hear that the Lineal base has worked out so well for you.
In terms of selecting the right mattress for you, it sounds like you're on the right track. Just as an FYI, we've also produced in-depth video reviews of the Saatva, Zenhaven, and many other mattresses. Each of our video reviews focuses on explaining which type of sleepers are going to be the best match for that mattress, so you may find these helpful should the topper not work out for you.
Likewise, we also have a sophisticated mattress match quiz on our site that can help quickly narrow the universe of choices for you and will also enable you to see your match score for any given mattress (simply by finding that mattress on our site after having taken the quiz). You can find the match quiz here:
www.goodbed.com/mattress-finder/
I hope that's helpful.
Mona Moon, Did you end up getting the Plush Soft, or did the Luxury Firm work well for you with the mattress topper. My husband and I both are side sleepers, 200LB each. We want to get the king. And if the mattress is awesome, we will get it, and the base (as a surprise for my hubby-he'll know when he comes home and sees it. But for now, he is on the road, for work, so I'm the one testing out mattresses. UGH)
Thank You for the answer. I have to try to get it in a basement. I have a Queen 5. 5 box spring down there now. I am getting a Full now. Once again Thank you!
My pleasure Robert! Glad I could help.
Very informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this my remote was by accident and this explained how to unlock. By the way. love the bed.
Thanks for your comment -- Glad to hear it was helpful and that you are enjoying this base!
Thanks for the excellent video, as well as for replying thoroughly to questions in the comments section where your additional info has been very helpful. I just got my adjustable base and luxury firm mattress. They now use a metal foot retainer instead of two plastic corner retainers. The remote is different from this video. The instructions for the Zero Gravity button says, "Press to adjust the base to the factory default ZG position. To reprogram, adjust the base, massage, and underbed light to the desired position . . ." What does that even mean with regard to adjusting the base? Adjusting it to what? And why would you adjust the light? There aren't even any instructions on the underbed light as to adjustability. I know you don't have this remote, but if any of your viewers do, please help me figure this out. It says this on some of the other buttons, too.
Hi -- thanks for the comment. Typically, those buttons are set to what the manufacturer thinks is the idea position for (for example) Zero G, TV or reading, anti-snore, etc. Usually (and it sounds like this is the case here) those buttons can be reprogrammed by the user, so you can save "custom" settings. For example, maybe you try the factory Zero G setting but don't love it, so you adjust the head a little higher, or the foot a little lower. You would then follow the instructions to reprogram the button, which effectively saves your custom position, so next time you hit that button, the bed would move into that customized position instead of the factory default. I would imagine the underbed lighting is only on or off - I don't believe there's a dimmer on it.
Hope that helps!
@@goodbed - Thank you for replying. The underbed light is definitely a questionable thing to say you can adjust. I love the base. I'm having a hard time getting comfortable with the mattress no matter how I adjust the base. Hoping it just needs breaking-in.
Thank you.
It was very difficult to see the body alignment with each setting due to crossed feet.
Hi Kathleen. Well, we didn't think about that! Thanks for the note. We'll be mindful of crossed feet in future videos.
Fantastic review man! Thank you for being as thorough as you were! How would you compare this to the Dreamcloud adjustable base?
Hi Nick. Thanks for the comment. We have not tested the DreamCloud adjustable base, but it looks like all of its features are ones that are shared with the Lineal -- a zero gravity mode, USB ports, and a massage/vibrate mode. It comes with a 50-night trial and a 3-year warranty.
The Lineal model reviewed here is what we use in our videos when we test mattresses -- so you can see it in action in almost any of our other videos.
Hope that's helpful.
GoodBed Thank you for the information! I have discovered this as well since leaving my comment. It also seems that the Saatva adjustable frame has the wall hugging ability, which the Dreamcloud base does not. As well as the lights underneath. So it seems the Lineal bass is the more superior base despite being $400 more. But that wall hugging technology is worth it for me!
Thank you for the lovely presentation. Do you sell them to overseas customers. I presume the remote is battery operated. Do you send them to Malaysia? Many thanks. I look forward to your reply.
Hi again -- We review mattresses and bed bases, but we do not sell them, so I'm afraid that would be a question for the manufacturer.
Thank you for your prompt and thorough response. Sincerely appreciate it.
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The side rails on my sleigh bed hook onto the head/foot boards. Metal hooks, like two downward crooked finger...into slots of the head/foot boards.
So if the side rails are not 'wide' enough, seems I would have to drill/bolt into the head/foot boards.
Thank you for your time.
Great, thank you for letting me know that the information was helpful Bill. Re: the link, I had pasted the link twice by accident -- sorry about that. I just updated it in my original response. Here is the picture: www.saatvamattress.com/_img/shop-gallery-large-5.jpg
I found this very helpful ! Thank you so much for doing this !
Excellent! Thank you for letting us know Debbie!!
I've been finding all your reviews very helpful. Based on all my research I'm really leaning towards a coil hybrid so I'm most interested in a saatva since my main concerns are firmness and coolness. Two questions in regards to adjustable bases. We are interested in those because I tend to get bronchitis in the winter and when I do, I can only sleep in a reclining position. An adjustable base sure would be nicer than trying to stack a million pillows up. We would be considering a split king which is essentially two twin xls, I believe. 1. How do the mattresses hold up in the folds after being folded many times? Will the mattress "break down" in those folds? 2. How noticeable is the seam between the two twin mattresses? Will we be constantly noticing the division in the mattresses when we roll over?
Hi Crystal --
Thanks for your questions, and I'm very glad to hear that our reviews have been helpful for you.
Before I address the questions, I just want to make sure you're aware that only the 11" version of the Saatva mattress is compatible with an adjustable base (not the 14" version).
Now, to take your questions in order:
* Yes, two Twin XL mattresses side by side are basically the same dimensions as a standard King mattress.
* How a mattress holds up after being folded many times is definitely one of the things we consider when we talk about adjustable base compatibility, and it's one of the reasons we don't think of this metric as strictly binary, because some mattresses are technically compatible but will wear faster or in different ways if used on an adjustable base. In terms of how the Saatva will hold up on an adjustable base, there isn't a lot of empirical data on this because it was less than 6 months ago that Saatva re-engineered their 11" model to make it adjustable base friendly (before that it wasn't), so there is limited data available from users on how it does over time on an adjustable base. That said, my expectation -- based on the construction of the mattress (which does actually feature some reinforcements in the middle third of the bed) and the fact that the company is making a big push into adjustable bases -- would be that it would hold up very well on this front.
* In terms of the seam, you will probably notice this a little, but how much that bothers you is going to be a matter of personal preference. Based on feedback we hear from others, my guess is that you'll prefer not to sit or lay directly on the seam and that you'll probably notice the seam if your shoulder happens to land right on it when you're moving across the bed, but that otherwise it won't be a problem. Also, if you'll be using the bases on hardwood floors without securing them to a headboard or other piece of furniture, you may want to secure them together in some way (e.g., by tying something around the two adjoining feet at the head and foot of the bed). These bases are quite heavy so shouldn't move very much but this would ensure that they can't slide apart at all. The bases may even have a built-in way of physically connecting together, so you may want to ask the delivery people about this as well (and let us know what you find out!).
I hope that helps.
GoodBed Thank you very much!
My pleasure Crystal! Glad to be of help.
Great review but with the massage feature you said it was head and foot but on the website it says full body massage. I am really looking for the full body for my back so just want to clarify that it does have that feature.
Hi Kristen -- AFAIK, no adjustable bases on the market today offer anything more "full body" than the head + foot massage capabilities that we showed in this video. I think the idea behind that terminology was that since it covers both the top half and the bottom half of the body (and can alternate back and forth between them in various coordinated "wave" patterns), it's "full body." I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed,I didn't understand that at first, thanks so much. I need to check out your review of the Legett Platt 2.0 as I'm down to that one and this one.
Sounds good Kristen -- they're actually both made by Leggett & Platt so you probably can't go wrong either way. 😊
I just reviewed your video and found it an excellent review of your adjustable bed. One issue was I discovered, no retainer corners had been installed at installation. I have a split king and one or the other mattress slides down when head is raised. How do I get a set of retainers for split mattresses.
Hi James -- Thanks for your kind words. And just for the sake of clarity, this isn't "our" product -- we are a 100% independent website that reviews products from all of the major brands and retailers in this category.
Re: your question, if you received an adjustable base that did not come with something along these lines, I would contact the retailer from whom you bought it ASAP. That is almost definitely an error. All adjustable bases need to have a way to hold the mattress in place and prevent it from sliding. The most common is a retainer bar at the center of the foot of the bed. Next most common would be something on the corners like the base we show here. Beyond that, the only other solution I've seen is a base whose top surface is velcro-like in order to keep the mattress from sliding. But even this doesn't work for all mattresses (they need to have the right kind of fabric), so even those bases tend to have a retainer option as well.
I hope that's helpful.
Is the base made of steel?
Yes, it is.
excellent video
Thanks for letting us know that you found it helpful!
Do you know the thickness of the frame without the legs? Including the mechanism? Also, the video was EXCELLENT and very Informative!
Thanks Robert! I'm very glad you found this helpful.
In terms of your question, when the legs were set to 8", the top of the base was 16" off the ground, so without the legs, the rest of the base is technically 8" thick.
That being said, it might be worth noting that you can not use this base without the legs. When the bed is elevated, the mechanism extends down below the top of the legs by several inches. So if you simply unscrewed the legs and put the base on a flat surface, you would not be able to elevate it.
I hope that helps.
The Saatva web site states: "The Lineal™ Adjustable Base by Saatva. It works with all of our 11.5" high mattresses." It appears that you have the 14.5" high mattress. Is that correct?
Hi David -- Thanks for your question. If you are asking about which mattress is shown with the base in this video, it was actually the Loom & Leaf Relaxed Firm. I hope that's helpful.
Would it not be best to have a foam mattress with an adjustable bed?. I would think it would contour better.
+john the great Thanks for your question. Most all foam or latex mattresses do tend to conform very well to an adjustable base. However, I have also seen many innerspring mattresses that contour just as well. So, if one of those innerspring mattresses were a better match for you on other fronts, I wouldn't shy away from it. Hope that helps.
Great review! Much appreciated. Would a split king mattress work in the same way that two twin xl mattresses would on this base? Thanks!
Hi Amanda -- Thanks for your question, and kind words. Yes, a split king has roughly the same dimensions as two twin XL mattresses. So it would go on two twin XL bases, which would be very similar to how it would work if you had two twin XL mattresses. The only functional difference of course is that with the split king approach, you would not be able to elevate the foot of the bed independently on each side. I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Thank you!
Overall excellent review! Two missing items: 1.Please tell the exact dimensions. I have a custom-made wooden bed frame, with substantial headboard, footboard and side rails. I need to know if this base will fit in my frame. (Is this the current model?) 2. Please describe the feel of the "massage" feature. Is it actually just vibrations? Thanks.
Thanks Karen! Re: the exact dimensions, beyond noting that the platform on our base is consistently a good fit for a queen size mattress (making it roughly 60"x80", as one would expect), we didn't take precise exterior measurements, so your best bet is to go to the company for that information.
Re: the massage, like all adjustable bases, this feature is based on vibrations (as we showed in the video). So, one could certainly describe the feel of it that way. IMHO, the word "massage" tends to oversell this feature a bit, since It certainly is nothing like having a human knead your back. However, describing it as merely "vibrations" likewise may undersell it a bit -- the sensation created by the vibrating motors is quite relaxing, and the "wave" feature on this base definitely enhances this sensation.
I hope that's helpful.
This was very thorough and helpful. Do you know if the bed can be app controlled?
Hi Emily -- Thanks for your question, and your kind words. I'm very glad to know this was helpful. In terms of your question, this base does not have an app that controls it -- just the wireless remote shown in the video.
Does a mattress wear out faster by being moved up and down on an adjustable frame?
Love your videos!!! Wondering if you have any experience with the Nectar bed? Also, (you do not have to answer lol) curious to know what kind of bed you personally own?
Hi there -- Thanks for your question and kind words! No, we haven't done a formal review of the Nectar mattress yet, however it is on our list. We prioritize our reviews based on interest from our users, so your interest in this review will be noted. FYI, once the Nectar review is published, you'll be able to find it on our site here:
www.goodbed.com/mattresses/nectar/
You can also subscribe to our channel to be notified when it comes out.
In terms of your other question, you are correct in suspecting that I might not be inclined to answer it, but in case it isn't clear why, the reason is simply that I don't want to inadvertently mislead anyone into buying that mattress. Mattresses are largely about personal fit -- and statistically, it's very unlikely that a person reading this will have the same needs and preferences as me. This usually means that my mattress would not be the best match for them. That said, I've come to learn that this truth can be difficult to accept, and that when a simple answer is available (e.g., this guy knows a lot about mattresses, and he sleeps on _____), it can be very compelling. So, to avoid the possibility of inadvertently mis-guiding anyone (especially since the mattress I sleep on isn't cheap!), I simply try to steer clear of discussing it. I hope that makes sense.
Hi there -- In case you're still shopping for a mattress, I just wanted to follow up on your question about the Nectar mattress to let you know that our full review of the Nectar is now available. You can check it out here:
ua-cam.com/video/O6u1O2FDXes/v-deo.html
Thank you for your reviews. Can I put 7" storage containers under this frame?
Hi Lisa -- Thanks for your question. TBH I'm not quite sure. As you can see at about 15:14 in the video, there are some places under this frame where a 7" tall container probably would not fit due to cross bars, but there are also plenty of places where it would. "
The thing that gives me pause is that the base has moving parts on the underside of it and is not a "zero clearance" design. This means that the movement of those parts does go at least somewhat below the top of the legs. Put differently, by raising it off the ground, the legs provide the added clearance that these parts need when the base is elevated up and down. So for example, you could not elevate this adjustable base if it were on the floor without any legs attached to it.
I don't know how much clearance those parts need, but I do know that the shortest leg settings are 6" tall. I somewhat doubt that in the 6" setting, the moving parts come any closer than 3" from the floor, which would mean that in the 10" setting, they would not come closer than 7". But I just can't be sure so would recommend checking with Saatva if this is something that is very important to you.
Sorry I can't be of more help on this one.
Love this bed. However, out of the blue, the upright head position only goes up part way, not to the uppermost head position. Does anybody know what I can do to fix it?
Hi Wendy -- Thanks for your comment, and I'm so glad to hear you've been happy with this base. As far as troubleshooting the issue you're having, I'm afraid we can't' help much with that, but I'd certainly recommend reaching out to Saatva about it if you haven't already. Sorry we can't be of more help on this one.
I wonder if the mattress will wear out faster when used with an adjustable base? Also, I can't imagine the "massage" feels any different than mild shaking. Does the massage feature simply vibrate the bed?
Hi there -- Thanks for your questions. Re: the massage, yes the motors are creating vibrations that move across the bed. So it is certainly a different type of massage than what you'd get from a masseur or masseuse. That said, FWIW, I don't think "mild shaking" is a particularly accurate characterization of what it feels like. The motor moves at much too high a speed for it to feel like shaking IMHO. Would you describe the experience of riding in a car on a typical highway as one of mild shaking? Probably not. It's more of a smooth and soothing vibration, and to me that is a very different experience from anything I would characterize as "shaking."
Re: the effect it has on the longevity of the mattress, it certainly can only increase the wear and tear on the mattress, since any mattress (and in particular the foam in a mattress) will break down a tiny amount each time it is compressed. That said, the degree to which this added wear will be material will vary. First, it will depend of course on how often you use the adjustable features -- especially having the base is in a fully articulated position (both head and feet fully up at the same time), which places the most strain on the mattress. But all of that being equal, the effect it has on the mattress will depend heavily on the overall durability and adjustable base compatibility of that particular mattress. FWIW, both of these attributes are things we assess in our in-depth mattress reviews, so if this consideration is important for you, I'd recommend focusing your search on mattresses that we've reviewed. You can see those here: www.goodbed.com/expert-reviews/#reviews
I hope that's helpful.
@@goodbed Thank you for the detailed reply. I imagined the "massage" feature to act like those motel beds depicted in movies that shake. Sounds like some industrial-sized phone vibrators are in there!
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 My pleasure -- very glad that was helpful. And yes, the vibration from a phone would be a more apt comparison, though like you said it's obviously a stronger motor than in a phone.
Something not mentioned here is all adjustable bases are made in China. I had a lineal from Saatva and a ergo extended from tempurpedic and both bases are made in China. Kinda disappointing. Not sure if the same company makes them but sad to see a high price for some Chinese quality items.
Hi. Thanks for the comment. Most, but not all, adjustable bases are imported. Leggett & Platt -- who makes the S-Cape model that we've reviewed -- machines their own parts and makes theirs in the US.
Here's our review: ua-cam.com/video/AD8NGI3hotc/v-deo.html
Leggett & Platt also make the Lineal adjustable base featured here, and the Saatva website also states that it's made in the USA. What made you believe that the Lineal was made in China?
@@goodbed their instructions manual says its madein China. It doesn't say its made in the USA. Also you can only use the massage feature once every 30 mind with 30 minute rest times. The warranty is also not clear its not 25 years. Its only 3 after that you pay and after 5 only the frame is covered. Kinda disappointing after finding this out. Not sure if covid has caused quality to dip recently.
Will that damage the mattress going up & down over several years?
Hi Vickie -- Thanks for your question. In general, if the mattress is specifically made to be compatible with an adjustable base, then it should not have a large detrimental effect on the mattress.
That said, the reality is that not all "adjustable base friendly" mattresses are equally resistant to excess wear from frequent use on an adjustable base. For example, lower density foam (whether in the core or in a foam perimeter) is more likely to break down when held in an elevated position for long periods of time (over years). By contrast, higher density materials like latex are likely to hold up better than most on an adjustable base. Also, for mattresses that are compatible with an adjustable base, the number of times the mattress goes up and down is less likely to be the cause of break-down than the amount of time the mattress is held in an elevated position.
In our more recent reviews, we have started discussing these nuances of adjustable base compatibility, so for more info on this, look for reviews from us that have an "Adjustable Base Compatibility" section in their table of contents. I hope that helps.
GoodBed thank you so much! Fast reply. Great video presentation.
My pleasure Vickie! Thanks for letting us know it was helpful.
Thanks for the great info regarding the frame, answered several of my questions. One thing I am still trying to figure out though is can this frame be used with a platform/wood slat bed? I've read other adjustable frames can be used if I remove the legs, do you believe that would work for this one? I'd like to buy the mattress and frame all together at once. Thanks in advance!
Hi Beverly. Thanks for the question. It's a hard one to answer definitively since furniture varies so much. The adjustable base becomes the frame, essentially. So ideally you would want a bed frame where you can drop the adjustable base right in.
I do think its POSSIBLE with this model, however, because of the way the motor is situated. With most adjustable bases, the motor hangs down below the frame, but because of the wall hugger feature, the Lineal kind of uses a frame-within-a-frame, so the motor does not need extra space below the bottom of the frame.
However, I would absolutely check with someone from Saatva. Here's the customer service number: 1-877-672-2882
Hope that's helpful!
@@goodbed Thanks for getting back with me! I contacted customer service as you recommended and they tell me it should work fine. I appreciate getting an outside recommendation from you!
What kind of "massage' is it? Is it just a vibration at different speeds? What do you think of it?
Hi Barbie -- Yes, it is vibration at different speeds coming from two different motors (one under your back and one under your legs). The two motors can be operated separately, together, or in "wave" mode where they alternate back and forth. You can see more discussion of this at 6:46 in the video.
In terms of what I think about it, I personally think it feels nice. All adjustable bases that offer "massage" capability use vibrating motors of some kind, so while the massage can certainly differ a bit across bases, the overall experience tends to be pretty consistent at a high level. It's certainly not the same as a Swedish massage (though as a Swede, I may be biased about that 😊), but I do find it relaxing / soothing in a different way. Perhaps one way to think about it would be as more akin to the massage jets in a hot tub (except less directed at a specific area of your body and without the water and heat aspects of course).
I hope that helps.
Unless I missed it, you didn't review the massage feature. How does it compare in strength to other adjustable beds?
Hi Audrey -- Thanks for your astute question. This gets to the heart of why we call this video a "product overview" rather than a "product review." I've personally tested dozens of adjustable bases, which is enough to be able to expertly explain their features, demonstrate how they work, and even provide context around how their feature set as a whole compares to other adjustable base options.
However, we recognize that the value we provide relative to other sources of mattress information is truly *expert* independent information. Given the high standard we set for what constitutes true expertise, I don't feel I have sufficient expertise yet about adjustable bases to perform an expert *review*, as we do for mattresses. Once we do, your question will certainly be one we can answer.
I hope that helps clarify, and we look forward to providing more detailed information like this in the future.
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What about a reasonable description of the massage features? It seems I cannot find any reviews that will mention any detail regarding the massage feature... Like it is being deliberately avoided! It makes me suspect of the entire review as if that feature is something the company requests you skip over... I would be interested in this product even if it didn't include a massage feature BUT since it does have it - PLEASE give us some better feedback!
Hi -It appears the Lineal and the Leggett & Platt S-Cape 2.0 basically the same unit with the same features. The only difference is the plastic retainer corners on the Lineal as opposed to the metal retainer bar and mirco-hooks on the S-Cape to eliminate mattress movement. Am I correct in my assumption?
Hi Nancy -- Thanks for your question. On the face of it, it seems possible that that there could be a lot of similarities, since the Lineal base is indeed manufactured by Leggett & Platt. That said, I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough with the full feature set of the S-Cape 2.0 to clarify the full extent of the similarities or differences that exist between these two products. When/if we do a similar overview for the L&P bases, I'll be in a much better position to answer this. Sorry I can't be of more help on this question in the meantime.
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Hi Tichina -- Thanks for your question, and sorry I didn't get to it sooner. Yes, this adjustable base can be used with any mattress from any brand, so long as that mattress is adjustable base friendly (meaning, as long as the mattress is meant to be used on a base that flexes and bends). All the Beautyrest Black mattresses are adjustable base friendly, so you would be perfectly fine using that mattress on this base. I hope that helps.
How does the saatva mattress conform to the lineal base? Does a firm matress 'bend'? What about the connected coils? The firm foam edging? Does the movement of the lineal base soften, weaken, fatigue the innerspring Saatva mattress? Does the massaging feature adequately translate through the coil mattress?
Also I have an existing queen sleigh bed. Would the lineal base fit within the side rails. Or could the head/foot boards be attached to the lineal base?
Hi Bill -- Thanks for these thoughtful questions. The short answer is that the 11.5" version of the Saatva is compatible with an adjustable base, which is a change to their design that was made in the second half of 2017. This is true of any of the softness levels, though the softer ones (which differ only in the foams on top, not in the spring layers underneath) will probably conform slightly better. The foam perimeter will also bend with the mattress. You can see a picture of a Saatva mattress in an elevated position here:
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The massage question is an interesting one as we have not actually compared how the massage strength transfers through an innerspring vs all-foam mattress. My expectation though would be that if there is any perceptible difference, it would be driven by the amount of foam in the mattress. Overall, foam should certainly have more of a dampening effect on massage vibrations than springs.
In terms of any impact that the adjustable use has on the mattress, pocketed coils have a proven history of being able to bend and flex on an adjustable base without any material weakening as a result. As for the connected coil part of the Saatva's construction, TBH I'm not sure how they made this compatible but I do take a lot of comfort in the fact that they not only say it's adjustable base compatible, but they even promote it's use on an adjustable base. I don't think this is something they'd do willy nilly as it certainly puts them squarely on the hook for any warranty claims that arise from using it on an adjustable base.
In terms of your question about the sleigh bed, the answer is generally that the base should fit fine as long as your sleigh bed is just a perimeter with nothing going across the middle. The length and width dimensions of the adjustable base are no bigger than the mattress, so as long as your bed has room for the mattress to fit comfortable, the base should just drop right in. The base also has standard plates at the head where it can be fastened to your bed just like you would do with an ordinary bed frame.
I hope that's helpful.
If I get the adjustable base do I need to have a foundation along with the Matress?
Hi Linda. No, you don't -- an adjustable based replaces any other foundation, like a box spring, so you don't need any foundation other than the adjustable base.
Hope that's helpful!
Is there a less expensive adjustable base that would work with the Loom & Leaf mattress? Don't need extra features like lights, massage. Just upper/lower adjustable. Thx in advance.
Hi +Zumbunnies -- We did do an overview of another base that is not as fully featured but is popular on Amazon and less expensive. You can watch it here:
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How does this base compare to the Serta Motion Perfect base?
Hi Daniel -- Thanks for your question. You can check out our overview of the Motion Perfect base starting at 4:03 in this video:
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I hope that's helpful.
is leesa bed compatible with this kind of adjustable base?
Hi Jeffrey -- Thanks for your question. Yes, the Leesa mattress is compatible with any adjustable base, including this one.
Do you have a favorite adjustable with a headboard attachment or a frame that's sold with it?
Hi. We use the Lineal adjustable base in all of our mattress testing, and it's been reliable for us. I would not say we have "favorite" though (we try not to play favorites anyway). Not all bases come with headboard hardware, but the Saatva does.
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would you recommend saatva mattress for lineal...if its 14.5 inches with coil mattress would it still contour with the lineal?
Hi Mat -- Saatva recently reconfigured the 11.5" version of the Saatva mattress to make it adjustable base compatible. They did this specifically in connection with their launch of the Lineal base, so if you get one of the 11.5" Saatva mattresses, it should contour nicely to the Lineal base. It's also designed to feel the same as the 14.5" version, just with a thinner profile. With regards to the 14.5" version of the Saatva mattress, this one is actually *not* adjustable base compatible. Likewise, any 11.5" version that was purchased before the reconfiguring (which took place in early 2017) would not be adjustable base friendly either. I hope that helps.
***** thank you. Can you review Costco adjustable base and mattress please.
Hi Mat -- Thank you very much for this suggestion. You are actually the first one to mention that product but your interest will definitely be noted. We try to prioritize all of our videos and reviews based on interest from our readers, so will keep our eyes and ears open for other readers who would value our review of that product.
***** it has a lot of reviews under it but an expert review would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Yes, understood Mat. Thanks again for the suggestion. It's very helpful to hear what our readers / viewers would find useful.
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Just bought a Saatva and used it on m adjustable base. Total bs that it doesn't flex at the bottom because it's new. This mattress is NOT good for an adjustable base if you need to use the leg part which I do. That's how I eliminated my lower back pain so this mattress is a waste of my time and false advertising. If it's supposed to work on an adjustable base it should do so, correctly and fully, immediately.
Hi Amy -- I'm very sorry you haven't had a good experience using the 11" Saatva on an adjustable base. That's helpful to hear. Is it just the foot of the mattress that doesn't conform to the base, or is it more than that? In any case, if you're not happy with your mattress for any reason I'd definitely recommend calling Saatva to get a full refund.
In terms of the "BS," did you feel that something in this video was misleading? We tried to proactively point out that the foot of the mattress won't conform immediately to the base when the foot is elevated. That goes for most "adjustable friendly" mattresses actually, though there are certainly some that won't have this issue.
There's a gap sort of before the lower hump. The lower bend in the base. There's a gap before it and then the mattress touches that hump of course and then the very end of the mattress just sticks up.
I'll be returning it as it's also more of a medium firm than plush soft as described. I tried the Helix out as well and it worked great on the base but slept hot. :P
Thanks for clarifying Amy. Per my previous comments, this sounds totally normal, but your feedback will nonetheless be very helpful for other mattress shoppers who share this priority.
You are also the second person in recent days who described the Plush Soft model as firmer than they expected. We haven't tested that version directly, so we will factor this into our estimation of its overall softness level.
Thanks again for sharing your experience.
nice try on the feet elevation and zero gravity positions, hilarious, just say don't use this with a new bed. Deal breaker for me. hahahahaha. I'd say 90% of people get a new mattress with a new base.
Hi Steve -- Are you referring to the point about the foot of the mattress sticking up a little rather than contouring to the base? If so, I'm not sure what you meant by "nice try" -- did you think we were trying to gloss over this point? To the contrary, we chose to specifically point that out so that people won't be surprised when this happens in their home.
That said, you should be aware that this phenomenon is not unique to the Lineal -- it will happen on *any* adjustable base. Similarly, it isn't unique to the Loom & Leaf either -- it will happen with almost any mattress whenever you first start using it with an adjustable base. If the break-in period is a big concern for you, I would expect that an all-latex mattress (e.g., Zenhaven) would contour most immediately because latex is a very heavy and flexible material.
Net, in case you are interested in an adjustable base, I just wanted to make it clear that any "deal-breaker" on this point relates to which mattress to buy, not which base.
I hope that helps.
no, I just thought it was funny and how would anyone know it would relax in time to contour, there's no weight on that part of the bed to relax or wear it in, you should use a worn in mattress, that was what I thought was funny. Hilarious, in fact.
I see, thanks for clarifying Steve. We totally agree with you that most people wouldn't know to expect this.
As a point of clarification, it's actually mostly the weight of the mattress itself that helps it contour over time, assisted a little of course by the weight of any legs / feet that are resting on that part of the mattress. That's why a mattress whose support core is made of a denser, heavier material (like latex) will contour more immediately.
You could try using a "worn-in" mattress, but I don't think that would speed things up very much, since unless it has been used on an adjustable base, it won't have any added predisposition to bend in that way.
Thanks again for your comment.
Thanks but seeing is believe, that's why you are not doing that company selling the beds any favors saying, just trust me. I'll figure it out, I know you are limited, but I quit trusting people in 1995, lol. No biggie.
Ha, fair enough. It's a good point that we may not be doing the company any favors by mentioning that -- but that's OK by me. We always want to be fair to the company, however our first priority is to look out for the consumer. So it was for the consumer's benefit that we mentioned it, not the company's.
Anyway, thanks again for the dialogue on this.