Peavey Invective 4X12 Unbox & Quick Test (Creamback vs V30)
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2019
- Peavey Invective 4X12 Unbox & Quick Test
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Taking a quick look at the Peavey Invective 412 loaded with Celestion Vintage 30s and Creambacks. We put the tones to the test!
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Never understood why people enjoy seeing things taken out of boxes. Thank you Sandisk.
lol
In this instance it's not a big deal, but a "what's in the box" type video can be very helpful.
Here-here!.. (re: unboxing videos in general)
And regarding "what's in the box", most user manuals (nowadays easily-downloadable PDF's from the manufacturers' sites) contain that, but... I guess that's too much work for some people, right? :P
I never really got it either, glad to see I'm not alone!
The money shot... no money shot if you don't take it out of the box...
I really appreciate the honest up front disclosure that this is (at least partly) an ad for Sweetwater. Your integrity is a breath of fresh air in this era of "online influencers".
Dito!
I swear by the Creambacks and I’ve been playing V30s all my life. X Pattern with the V30s is insane tone. It sounds like the future.
One of the best unbox vids by being able to hear it in a mix which is what matters most. I've been wondering about this amp. Thanks for sharing.
The tone of both speakers blended together to my ears probably the best heavy tone I’ve heard from this channel so far. Nice work
I took an old beat up worn behringer 4x12 and made it into something badass.
I gutted out all the electronics and replaced the jack plate and board with a Marshall 1960 plate and board, and installed two slightly used Vintage30s and two slightly used G12t75s in the X pattern.
Sounds fucking killer and gets plenty loud. Plus I can configure the cab in stereo and use either set of speakers for different sounds depending on what I'm going for at the time.
That cab was very used and has alot of my band's history with it, so i call it the Guitar Cab from Hell.
Gonna be comparing it to the new 6505 cab and an old 5150 cab in a few weeks for when i go to track guitars for my band. Should be alot of fun.
Casey Stewart I worked with a guitar player who took a behringer combo put a green back on the left cream back on the right . Mesa boogie tubes and a Boss RPQ 10 and sounded amazing .
I used to have a 2nd hand diy mdf cab that was covered in gold velvet and fitted with a g12t75.... it sounded like ass.
I wonder if you could upload yourself comparing one thing to another?
That sounds pretty interesting.
Best guitar tone you've ever had in this channel
Seriously! I need to know how that is so crisp and clean.
@@acommon that's just how most Peavey's sound! Probably using the built-in boost to tighten that tone.
Man your videos have been such a massive help and I sincerely want to thank you Glenn.
I currently have a 2x12 with a V30 and a Creamback. I have the V30 with a Fredman set-up and an E906 on the Creamback. Those 3 mics are running to a Behringer Eurorack and I can blend as desired. I'm getting the best amp recordings in over 20 years of doing this. Your "Fredman Technique" video was the turning point.
For anyone wondering, I had a new Behringer with the Onyx pres and the Invisible pres in the older Eurorack sound better. They're a little smoother and just seem to "breath" a bit more.
Absolutely crushing tone in this demo . I’ve been using creamback / v30 combos in my Mesa Cabs for sometime now . I didn’t realize peavey was doing this in the invective . It’s brilliant ! Awesome vid 🤘🏼
YESSSS - best guitar tone sound you have ever had on this channel..... wooowww.... that is amazing...
Sick tone! Peavey has been one of my favorite brands for years!
Really appreciate all the info you share brother. You da man Glen . \m/
Awesome!!!!!! You finally got another speaker in your studio other than the boring old V30. Welcome to the club!
The Lewis Black of heavy metal recording : )
Haha nice and accurate
I currently have a 4x12 and I actually have had this cabinet with 2x vintage 30's and 2x cream back 75h speakers for years in an x pattern. Did this upgrade then found out later that periphery rocks the same speakers and setup. Great sounds come out my cab.
That 421 looks just as disastrous as my childhood.
😂
There's a 65 watt Creamback and a 75 watt Creamback. The Invective 4x12 cab uses (2) 75 watt Creambacks and (2) Vintage 30's in an X pattern.
That was heavy AF!! Still anxiously awaiting the video where you reamp The Eagle Has Landed guitars through the amazing Digitech pedal thing lol!
Oh man,that'd be killer
Sounds fantastic
Peavey amps have such excellent tones \m/
Love the duct tape on the Sennheiser. Gives the video that, "Yeah, we're workin' here. Ain't nobody got time for dat!" feel. I can dig it. I've had pretty good luck with Sandisk. There IS a life limit to those cards. I've only had one fail after slight use. Most usually go after thousands of writes and wipes.
Glen, would you do a solid state amp shoot out between an Orange CR 120 and a Quilter Overdrive 200?
Dude, I've lost footage of an entire guitar cover I did spur of the moment, and to this day I think it's one of the best I've ever done. Improv'd on it and really got into it. It was because I lacked memory on my iPhone. James Brown - Super Bad. I was super sad! I feel your pain
Woah...wait a sec....that bass tone in the track is not getting any love it was killer as well....I smell a video idea...
Its a little bit Korn feeling. Nothing special ;)
I'm burned out on V30's so I grabbed a Splawn 2x12 with a Creamback 65's. It was a welcome change then I got a KSR Orthos so I sold the Splawn cab and got a KSR with a V30 and a Creamback 75. I found my combination. Absolutely fantastic cab.
Always been a fan of Peveay or as the soundboard guys call em at the Grand ol' opry "Mississippi Marshalls"lol those creambacks are sounding good Glenn.🤘👍
I use this speaker combo in my 5150 2x12, it sounds killer, I’ve been contemplating doing it to one of my 4x12 cabs
Sounds awesome! Even the track... Im a guitarist and cant get a solid recording like that, I only have one SM57. But it sounds killer, love your videos Glen. But, that bass sounds brutal on that track!
I run an Avatar with the same speaker configuration, I don't think I'll ever change it. Thick, has bite and just works!
Aer Lingus uses SanDisk.
A winning entry .
@@gilbertspader7974 Yeah, but I already had two entries before this video came out.
I had a similar setup in my 4x12, Eminence swamp thangs (a sorta high wattage version of a V30) and 2 G12t75. It sounded HUGE.
I just realized that you duct taped a mic to the stand. Mark of a true audio engineer, not giving a fuck what looks like as long as it sounds alright.
Sounded solid summing them. When you panned far left and right it got a little phasey for me (on earbuds) though. I know you were not presenting this as a mix but worth pointing out the dangers of panning the exact same performance out.
Wow, have always dug the Invective, but man she sounds sweet here.
Not bad...I like it!
Sounds fucking kick ass! Great stuff
Sweet I use that setup in a mess boogie 2-12 and love it :)
yup me too. except a mesa 4x12, and a panama 2 x12.
Hey Glenn,
I'm surprised to hear that you haven't recorded / mic'd many different speakers. I have tried tons of different speakers, and it has been really nice for tone mixing.
Do you think you will ever try out different speakers for the fun of it?
Not like the boring "A vs. B" videos because there are a ton of those, but just experimenting with different speakers to show people there is more out there than vintage 30's that can get great tones.
You mentioned once back in a day about Painkiller albums guitars were recorded couple metres away from the cabinets; why not try it out with this beast?
And FYG!!!
perfect amp and mic/speaker blend for this tune. like this re-amp better than the original! (going by memory and first impressions of course). and i generally don't like the Invective. Are those brand new speakers already broken in? I don't hear any of the signature 'woof' of a non-broken in, brand new speaker. Creamback and Vintage 30 has been my favorite blend for about a year now! I also like to throw in some GT-12T 75 for a touch of sizzle on the highs sometimes too. (meaning i always record all three plus direct, but don't always use the 75's AND the Creambacks).
Yeah, Sandisk is very well known among camera users for its unreliability. I've been intensively using a CL10 Kingston MicroSD in my dashcams since March 2015 and not only it never gave me any problems but also hasn't shown any signs of wear yet. I also have a Transcend Premium 400x XC card that I used for a while but it randomly stopped recording, so I stopped using it in the dashcams.
I have my orange 4x12s with this config. Question. I noticed screws in the middle of he back panel. Is there a price of wood diving the top and bottom pair of speakers?
You will keep this in the studio?!
i have a 2x12 vertical cabinet. i'd like to replace both speakers, should the v30 go on the bottom and the creamback on top?
Glen, thoughts on using the fredman technique on both speakers and capturing one performance but associating one speaker with the right and one with the left? Wouldn't this keep the performance super tight but still allow for different sound dedicated to different sides for the listener?
In your opinion what’s the best website or company to buy amps from? Asking for a friend of course
What I would like to know: For a video/recording like this, how loud did you record? I know this may be hard to describe, but at how much was the amp turned up? Or how many dB did you have, while recording with the mics. Would be very happy to get an answer to this. Greetings from germany.
Hey Glenn. How would you say the invective compared to the evh5153? Im going to buy one for my studio eventually and Id love to know your toughts on how they compare?
sOo which side are the vintage 30's and which side are the creambacks?
Not my style of tone, but it sounds brutal and I could totally hear this work with some types of genres of metal.
Hey Glenn! Was wondering if there is an effective way to translate the sound of my pedalboard to digital? Right now my chain is Metal Muff > Red EQ > Revv V30 impulse. It doesnt sound bad, but maybe there is a better solution.
This video might get me to buy some creambacks
Love your 421 clip lol
what is the song in the video? Not the intro song, but the song you were recording?
Speaking of your cheap mixer method of blending cab mics...you should pick up the SSL six console and do a side by side comparison with a cheap mixer. Has a stripped down version of the infamous bus compressor strapped across the mains output. Maybe even strap an affordable stereo compressor across the mains output of the cheap mixer to sort of simulate the desired effect of the SSL, and or use the waves plug in version of the bus comp in post of your cheap mixer method. As much as I want to believe the SSL is going to be leagues beyond the cheaper options, I have a feeling the subtleties will be less apparent in the context of a mix, and thus not worth the price tag for the vast majority of us. In terms of SSL gear though, it is sub $2000. Can’t buy a 500 series module of the bus comp for that, much less the two preamps with eq and dynamics, and a plethora of I/O. That said, they did minimize and redesign the circuit of the bus comp for this mixer, so it likely won’t sound the same. Sincerely hoping I’m wrong about that.
I hope life is treating you well, Glenn!
What are your rules on mobile phones / social media in the studio?
Some people can't put down their phone and I think it must be frustrating for people in the studio as well
He has a hammer to hit the screen with when they hop on Facebook
Damnit! I just ordered a SanDisk SD Card for my phone. I hope that I don't run into the same problems as you Glenn...
Duct tape and an old Sen 421, classic stuff!
I love my Invective 212. The cleans are fan-fucking-tastic.
LET ME HEARRRRRRR MORRRRRRRE 😂😂😭😭 GOD SUCH GOOD SOUND!
I have this exact combination of speaker in a zilla cab, you should check them out Glenn!!
Hey glen how bout checking out the sm57 and sm58 sold on wish for pretty cheap. Would love to see you shoot them out against the ones you already have.
Does Sweetwater ship peavey products to Canada?
I wonder how the construction differs from the 6505 cab besides the speakers
I have always loved anything Peavey. I used to dig Greenbacks over V30s back in the day, but I'm weird that way.
like greenbacks more myself. need to get another pair. creambacks and greenbacks are where it's at for Celestion.
@@EasyHeat Nice! yeah perfect phase goes out the window for me. one guitar, three different amps. different cabs, different speakers, each amp with two different close mics, a DI, a room mic, and lately micing the electric guitar itself for some string slap/ring. I do use a little labs IBP (analog phase sweep control), but that's not to get it perfect. just to get it to sound the best i can. options basically.
I bet once the speakers break in they will mellow out a bit. Peavey needs more love in general. I fix amps, and I've had lots of good 80's Peavey get fixed up at the shop.
This demo forces me to get one of this!
Is all of the voicing knob were at noon ? Very nice tone anyways !
Well Glenn, I'm 16, and I have no idea what I want to do with my life(who does), I've had my own home recording studio in my room for about 2 years now and I'm thinking about maybe becoming an audio engineer because of my love for music and I already have dabbled in recording, do you have any tips or good advice to help me get started?
I'll bet that the wheel installation part still confused the majority of bass players out there. "You push long thing into hole? How that work?" (rough translation)
How come you've moved to mac?
I remember Misha saying he used a different mic than a sm57 on the creamback
Hey Glen, my guitarist and I were tracking the other day. We used a shure beta 57a, SM 57 and a Samsung Q71. We experimented with each mic on each speaker. Found the speaker we liked for each mic, then narrowed each mic in, just like you showed us. All going into a cheap Yamaha MG8 blended into a Scarlett 2i2. Everything sounded great. Problem was, after tracking both out first tracks, we had to break it all down and set it all up for the next session. He noticed a small spot he wanted to punch in and fix. When we did, the tone was WAY different and noticeable. What is a solution to the problem outside of the obvious, leave it setup or don’t breakdown unless it’s 100%. Haha. Thanks for all information. Keep up the great work. Hails from Northwest Indiana!!!
~Skash~
\m/😈\m/
Record DI-tracks. Always. Then reamp the whole song. Or section. Or what ever is needed for it to work.
And I know it's a terrible suggestion like this in hindsight. I just don't have any better solution myself. Maybe someone else has a technique!
Okay, so would you recommend the countryman or the radial D2? Either way, how would that help for punching in after breaking down the mics and setting up again?
@@skashalvarez3770 I'd recommend the much cheaper Palmer.
How it helps is unfortunately not much. What I do in that situation is to simply reamp the whole track, or if I can get away with it, the section. You won't find "that tone" again, so it's better to just give everything the 'new' tone by reamping. Different guitar tones is often something I'd avoid like the plague, and even if your reamped tone is worse, it will be consistent.
So, what’s the difference between a passive direct box and an active direct box? What would you recommend for metal?
Flash memory - especially the ones with TLC and the newer QLC NAND cells - have a limited read-write cycle. If you want to minimize accidents with ageing flash cards, you should check their state from time to time. I don't know if memory cards have something similar to SMART, which is used on PC for that reason (I currently have a hard-drive with two bad sectors, I think I'll replace that with something bigger and newer once I get a job).
I want this so bad
what's the music in the video I dig it
Why are you talking into a 421 and not the sm7b?
Exactly. And why is it taped to the mic stand? Why isn't he using a damn pop filter?
@@helgijonsson3537 I mean i get the tape, any whose ever used a 421 has dropped it on the floor because of its locking mechanism. Yeeeeeaah pop filter woulda been noise for those plosives
I’ve often thought of replacing one of the V30’s in my Bogner oversized 2x12 with a Creamback. This kind of settles it for me. Only issue is playing out, I typically just have one speaker mic’d anyway. I believe the sensitivity on the Creamback is a cunt hair lower, so the V30 will be louder, but not a ton.
There is no way I’m first like it says I am but okay, rock on Glen!
You weren't... you was second...
Evilwhiteclownpunk close enough I guess
I love my Peavey 5150/6505+
Help! Got the Kalis that you recommend, they have bass and treble rolloff and boosts, can you explain how to tell if your room needs it?
Either measurements, or by using some reference tracks (songs) that you know the sound of really well.
Bass low shelf is good if you got it right up against a wall or in a corner. There will be a bass boost then.
oh that new cab smell contrasted with an old piano
This is a really awesome amp but it's not without its issues being a 1st Gen model.
My big complaints from experience and what I've also seen other owners have.
Pretty common to have to reseat or replace tubes within a month or two after buying. Once you do that no issues. At least for me. The led lights inside the amp burn out. Hasn't happened to me yet but I've seen a few people on a fb group have lights burn out.
Hopefully Peavey will tweak a few of these issues. I have a feeling it's mainly due to the parts being out sourced from out of country.
All and all a modern 5150 has been very needed and the pros out weigh thr cons, but I hope they do a few more versions and this amp stays in production.
Just out of sheer curiosity, i wonder if they really drive the LEDs that hard that they crap out, or if it's just crappy LEDs, or if it's just some connector-contact issue.
For the record, damn near all electronic components are from "out of country". Even the big manufacturers (thinking of Texas Instruments, Analog Devices etc) have fabs in the Far East, albeit not China (afaik), so...
You going to gear fest?
V30's darker??
Apparently its also pine instead of the normal birch for the wood
God DAMN that is literally the guitar tone equivalent of a fucking Rhinoceros 😩🔥
If you're the only guitar player in the band does having two cabs (loaded with different speakers) live on the stage help to make the sound "wider"?
If you don't play through different amps (or distortions at least), you'll more likely face some phase issues and thus cancellation, depending on the position of the listener. If the cab is miced, just go with mono. If not, it depends.
If there's no PA in use, it'll probably just bother / piss off your bandmates (depending how loud you turn them up though, of course).
If you're going through a PA, there's arguably no point. Not much use in causing *even more* "stage spill" (imho).
Kinda makes you question who you're playing for - yourself, or whoever decided to attend your gig... Consider the answer carefully ;)
Two mics, one cab, panned out, if ran through a PA will get you “wider” sound. Different speaker combinations will give you different frequency content to mix with, but will not widen the stereo image, as seems to be your desired effect. If you’re asking this question, you probably aren’t playing massive rooms yet, and I would strongly recommend against doubling the size of your rig. Sincerest apologies if I’ve assumed incorrectly.
If you ignore this advice and decide to double down on cabinets, please position them symmetrically from audience perspective. Example, if one cabinet is on the stage left quarter mark and 10ft away from the downstage edge, the other one should be on the stage right quarter and 10ft away from the downstage edge.
@@matthewjones8510 You're partially correct -
Only few small festivals on open air, and small to mid-sized clubs (also few with top notch PA), nothing yet as massive as -lets say- a club cappable of taking on bands like Architects or Northlane
We play a heavily downtuned, extended range material.
I run a tube amp through a two notes torpedo C.A.B. M wit an IR direct to FOH, and as everyone in my band we're going straight line in - besides vocalists and drummer no one mics his instrument.
ATM my cab is a 212 loaded with a pair of v30, typically on the right side of the stage - as monitoring isn't an issue (we have our own iem) I was just wandering - for the sake of public at the front row (or for the sake of smaller venues with P.A not capable of handling anything besides vocals and a kickdrum) - is a second cab on the other side of the stage, loaded with different speakers going to make any difference?
I like the combination of a v30 and a creamback, hence this question in the first place ;)
And sorry in advance for my english, it's not my first language ;)
Looking good Glen (not sarcastic)
You can always put it back in the box and retake.
While I was walking down the stair .
There was a bassist who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today .
... ?
@@marcorock101 I wish that bassist would go away .
Ice cream has no bones...
Shit in whatever depressive black Metal Album from the 00s was this sampled ?! Reading this and not remembering drives me crazy! Was it on a shining album?
You went total bobcat on Sandisk! Haha!
Once you break in the speakers, I hope you make an IR of this cab! Creambacks are my favorite speakers, and there aren’t any GOOD IRs for them (literally the only one in existence is the official Celestion one, and their IRs don’t respond AT ALL like a real cab would).
Gutwrencher Krahl hey you should check out the 3 sigma audio Bill Kelliher friedman impulses. Since he was thinking about switching to helix, they came in and made exact impulses of his cabs from his personal collection. And his Friedman cab is the only one I know of that has creambacks. They’re the exact cabs used on the albums and those impulses are amazing. For ten bucks, you can’t beat em
Jace E I’ll check it out! Thanks!
cream back is a little gt75 ish .... not quite as spikey. even though its quite maligned online I get good tones mixing 75s and v30s . one the are broken in its a good speaker , especially with el34 metal tones...
hell fuck the guitar sound, what did you do to that bass, holy fucking shit
this is a great head , but in aus I can buy 2 6505+ for the price . I could buy 3 2nd hand have enough for a 2nd hand cab.....Its alot to pay for some noise gates , extra loop and some bits and pieces.
Do a tutorial on that bass sound! It is the best fkin bass tone i heard lately! And please stop using that mic without pop screen, plosives are killing us.
Well that sounded heavier than the bowels of hell...still like my '74 Sunn 412 with the original 60 watt Eminence built Transducers better though! :-p
Hey glenn just wanted to let you know i had to withdraw my patreon for a while. having a few financial problems but rest assured i will be happy to sign up again once i'm in the black again. take it easy man
No worries, Ryan! Thanks so much for your support!
You definitely need a pop filter on that microphone... damn :D