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Peavey Invective 120 - who is this for in 2021? (vs. PRS MT15)
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I have the invective 120 and i absolutely love it. Its a super versatile amp.
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Its already been stated in the comments, but you need to crank the post gain much higher than you had it, and make sure the master boost is on to de fizz this amp, it s much more open then.
This is absolutely true
exactly
Invective all day man! I have both amps. The invective does take time to dial in vs PRS.
I personally love the amp. Knowing that the channel volume affects fizz is a tool once you are aware of it. The pine and v30/Creamback invective cab really makes it come alive. A lot of reviewers have had trouble dialing it. Oddly enough...for me is the easiest amp to dial that I own. People like different things. Cheers!
The Invective 120 is so killer!
Really like the honesty. This "oh it sounds so great" world needs some honest feedback (not bitter/agressive or whatever, just honest). Thanks for that !
I've had the 6505 mh and the Invective mh, and I gotta say hats off to the Invective. Such a killer amp. And I don't care what people say, 20 watts is plenty loud for live (especially if PA)
yep
i'm thinking about buying 6505mh right now. Does it work well for some modern tones? I'd go for a invective but where I live i can get the 6505 for half the price of invective or mt15
@@gibek2600 Im pretty happy with my 6505, i use it mostly for modern tones. One or two good pedals and you have a pretty nice home AND live rig
@@SeBsIs666 i bought it today :D I'll use it with tc electronic integrated preamp clone and i hope it will sound nice :D
I wanted to get the invective but I just don’t know which? I want the 120 but that’s just too much amp, but I like the features it has were as the invective mh, it’s only got 2 channel and ny ears are accustomed to 6L6 vs EL84
Wow, your MT15 sounds so good
The PRS sound so much better boosted than the Invective. Kinda reminds me of my 5150 Stealth but with more low end.
The Peavey Invective is the best amplifier I’ve personally ever owned or played through besides the 6505. I sold my EVH 5150iii and a Mesa Recto 25 watt amplifier so that I could purchase a Peavey Invective, I got the amplifier here and learned so much about it. You’ve got to crank the post gain to if you want smoother tones and you can also back off of the post gain if you want more of a fizz sound, my dad has a Marshall 410 H that I also tried out before I made my purchase on the Peavey. I’ve had it for over a year now and this thing is amazing it has so many tones you can get out of it and it’s sturdy built! I play a lot of cleans and some blues as well as classic rock then I also play a lot of metal this amplifier covers all of that stuff every time I plug into the Invective it actually inspires me to play more best musical purchase I ever made. If you count all of the boosts on the channels it’s more like a six channel amplifier it’s beast of an amplifier I highly recommend anyone to give the amplifier a listen in person. Lots of low end as well
I wanted to sell my MT15 but this video brought me to give it a last try and i only can say that I was blown away. It will not leave my house. So much fun to play. Damn hard for such a little amp. After playing modelliers all day I forgot how great it feels to unleash such a monster! Thanks so much!
Sounds Good & Nice playing 🤟
i just got one thing to say: it's just about pleasure. I know plugins sound great, emulation, blablabla, sound great... but just having a big real amp with the tubes, the pots, etc. is just so pleasing. also, does an emulator look badass on stage???
Yep. There's a hell of a lot of convenience in modelling and plugs etc, but playing a real amp is undeniably a better experience in just about everyway except space, weight and loudness.
It would be really cool for you to do a comparison of mini heads! Off the top of my head, PRS MT15, Laney IRT-SLS, Peavey Invective MH and Blackstar HT-20RH.
Great video and awesome tone with that MT15!!
I've got the PRS... can't beat the price and it sounds great!
I have the mt15 and can confirm that it does a great job with any high gain sound you can think of.
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Thank you! Welcome to my channel :)
I think your correct for us small size operations type guys - home studio smaller set up - The PRS MT15 is an awesome sounding head - bogner ubershall type vibe to it (Tremonti's tone) great clean channel - to many switches and stuff and the Peavey a bit over kill - The PRS is cheap also big sounding for less money - my next head
Great review, I’ve been wanting this comparison for a while. I have the MT15 and LOVE IT! Invective has cool bells and whistles but the MT15 is the best amp I’ve ever owned, and I’ve owned many (Randall Warhead, Crate Blue Voodoo, Peavey 5150 block letters, Blackstar ID100, Bugera 333Xl, Randal RG200, Bugera Trirec, Peavey VTM120, Marshall Mode Four, and Bugera 6260). PRS MT15 wins every battle.
How’s that MT15 mic’s up and recording?
I like all the gain and saturation so I need this
Great video mate, I’m a loyalty user of hx stomp but sometimes I think that I want a mini amp to have “the real deal” based on your videos I really liked the jet city, and I was wondering if you can recommend another mini amp low cost I’m from the third world (Chile) is very expesive export gear here.
A big thing with high wattage amps is how drastically the frequency response can change once you dial up the master volume. That’s where it poses a big issue for bedroom players where you have no choice but to keep the volume down, attenuators are a lifesaver if you want the full potential of a 100+ Watt amp at a low volume but it’s yet another cost. The PRS will exceed for bedroom playing because that’s ultimately what it’s been designed for as you can hear.
The Peavey Invective 120 is not a bedroom amp, but an all in one tube amp solution for live playing (where you need a lot of volume, and the extra power will give you the headroom you need) and that’s really how it should be marketed more. However big heavy tube amps are not at all needed anymore for live situations, so I think they came out with this amp 5 years too late.
Peavey in general is going downhill as a company seeing how more and more of their products are starting to be fully manufactured in China instead of USA, and components are being swapped out for cheaper ones for bigger profit margins at the cost of diminishing quality. Their mini heads are known to have severe overheating issues due to design flaws, which in current times is unacceptable. In 2021 where there’s so much better quality and affordable solutions for gear I would opt to avoid new Peavey products unless they get themselves sorted again. That PRS really seems like a thing of beauty and it’s on my bucket list. Thanks for the demo!
🤣 the Invective is absolutely great for bedroom playing. Sounds great at lower volume.
I’ve had the problem with the fizz too. I found scooping the mids a lot more than you think you should and pushing the treble helps a lot more.
I just discovered that on my own last week with my JCM 2000, who knew boosting the treble could fix fizz!
Theres just so many things to dial in on the peavey. I dont know how long you got the amp for but it'd be interesting to see how you base a rig around it after you have had it for a while (like what pedals and IRs work best), as to dial in tone to your liking
I only had it for a limited time as it's not mine unfortunately. The thing is, I just didn't get into it from the beginning. I kept digging and dialing but it simply doesn't work for me, may it be my guitars, my IR, I don't know. If the starting point is not inspiring I know I usually won't find something that I'd be happy with. When I purchased the PRS, the sound was immediately inspiring and I started building with it, instead of trying to rectify something that's not my taste, I hope you get me!
@@MilianMalivukMusic That makes sense. That first experience with a product is kinda everything
Now I really wanna see / hear your opinion on the mini version
Is it the 5881 or 6L6 tubes version? Its a awesome tone man!
Sweet head! 🔥
17:55 is insane haha, extremely spanky and percussive, massive yet tight bottom end and no fizz going on whatsoever.
You also said that you’re using an overdrive with your other amp so what do you expect.
that prs sounds godly
There’s a lot of knobs on it I’m sure there’s a way to get a sick sound out of it, only thing I know is that most people that use a 5150/6505 say you’re not gonna go past 3 on the gain knob.
It would be for me. I still use analogue rigs for live work.
It just sounds like its running a bit cold, might be a good idea to crank the output section up a bit to get rid of some fizzyness.
Incredibly sick and juicy tone!
I hate to be that guy, but was stated anywhere what overdrive is being used and the cab IRs, for the PRS? This and your other videos are enough for me to want to grab one of these. Thanks mate!
The boost used with the PRS is called the Aesahaettr by Lichtlaerm Audio! The IR is from Overloud TH-U!
@@MilianMalivukMusic thank you so much!
So I went to their site and everything is sold out...lol
I don’t imagine there’s any other place to get these??
More videos with that carvin please :D
OMG... That PRS tone is... 🤯🤯🤯 It's almost like you need a 10 bend eq it the effects loop of the Peavey and that's probably why they put the pedal power in the amp.
Basically a 5150 with a shit ton of extra bells and whistles can’t go wrong with it more of a studio amp really due to the weight or maybe local gigs I wouldn’t tour with it personally but it’s amazing very much the modern metal mothership of tone.
Nissssssssssssssssssce 🍻
Dude, first and foremost, nice playing and great video. Here is what you need for the MT15, a Wampler Tumnus gently tweaked to personal settings. Of COURSE you need to CRANK a 120 watt tube amp to get the most from it. Under say, five, on the volume setting you are not pushing the power tubes. All of the tone is coming from the preamp at that point. The power of the amp REALLY tells you where you have to be on it to really hear it. On a 15 watt amp you need to be pushing 10 watts to REALLY have the voice of it coming through and at 120 watts you REALLY have to be upsetting your neighbors and sonically killing the squirrels outside to really get the most out of the amp as the amp was intended to be played.
Hyey mate good video , i wanna know , i want to buy the prs mt15 for bedroom playing with a captor , the captor will only be used for reduced the DB level so i can crank the amp , Did the prs mt15 sound good with the 20db reduction and how the 20db affect the volume , because i dont know the db level of the prs it is 90 db or 80 etc if its 90 than -20db its 70 and that not that loud
I always play my PRS at full power through the Captor and then out of the -20dB out into my 4x12 cabinet, it sounds absolutely insane and it's not even very loud ("bedroom volume" if that's any measure unit)
Part of the fizz issue on the crunch and lead channel is you have to mess with the master volume and adjust the the channel volume accordingly. The lower the master volume the more fizz.
Yeah on a big amp like that you really need a power attenuator so you can crank the master volume. That is assuming you don't want to blow the walls off your house to get rid of the fizz :D
Fizz is also part of the eq resistor/capacitor ratio of the master volume, the PI interaction etc...Easier way is to just put an eq in the loop but something really versatile. You would be surprised but guitar speakers roll off after 5-6 khz they don't make treble and fizz disappear completely. So, depending on what speakers you use (some are natural de-fizzers), type of eq, the fletcher munson curve doing its thing and the speaker magnet providing opposite current back to the power amp (stabilizing him, reducing gain and fizz, allowing the pressence and ressonance to work actually) all of these are a complex interaction.
If you want to go completely nuts in low volume put a compressor, rack style in the loop. Again you would be surprised of how much it changes the amp, making it resemble what it is doing in hi volume. For hi gain amps that don't really use the power amp for distortion or keep the PI clean, eq and compressor can do wonders.
Where were you before I bought the invective?doesn’t say much when periphery just uses those amps to power the axe fx 3
lol yeah, wouldn't shock me one bit if Misha does an Invective under EVH in the future after they release the block letter EVH.
I personally like the sludgy 5150 type tone because i am used to it cause all the bands i listen to use that type of amp.
Low master with post cranked on the the invective = less fizz for the bedroom volume. Did you try that? Watch sonic drive studios video on it.
When I was at my friend's playing it through a 4x12 Mesa we tried different settings, master boost cranked/low, post gain up/low and we felt that it lacks guts and power if that master boost isn't fully cranked.
As much as I love this amp overall, I get what you're saying about that fizzy sound. It just doesn't feel like it takes up enough space if that makes any sense. Guess it's something with the mids, which is really unfortunate because I've always thought the midrange of the EQ was supposed to be at the forefront of the genre/sound this amp is geared towards.
I know Misha uses the Invective as a power amp for his Axe FX when he plays live, so the sound might be a bit more pleasant if it's hooked up to one of those. But honestly, it should sound good as a standalone thing and it's unfortunate that it's lacking there.
If the amp isn't sounding good and is way too fizzy, it's needs eq'd differently. People really need to stop spreading this rumor.
Higher post gain settings solve the fizz issue.
If you want to bring down the fizz you need to turn the post gain up almost all the way and then use the Master volume to control the volume. It also helps to run the amp with the Master boost always on with the Master boost at about 1/4 volume on the back. All that being said, I owned this amp for over a year and never loved it. I sold it a few months ago and I don't miss it at all. It was a huge let down for me.
Yup, same situation I had, volume issues, having to run master boost at 4. its an amp, not a science project. Too many variables in the volume and fizz department for this guy
@@defrauder_band Yeah man. The thing I hated the most was the fizz and the high-end from hell. I sold it and used the money to buy a single channel KSR Ares and couldn't be happier.
Are you using the XLR out or the line out on the captor?
Always XLR out!
2 signatures up against each other!
Lot of people complain about the hiss in this amp, seems like a regular 5150 is a better choice for most
Hello, I'm not so English speaking and I can't understand everything by ear... Can you please write what a beautiful overdrive do you use with PRS. It's so killer...
It's the Aesaheattr Boost by Lichtlaerm Audio!
@@MilianMalivukMusic thank you so much!
I don't like Fortin Grind/33 at all (TC Preamp types in general) but I tried it with an MT15 and that sound was amazing.I like the MT15 over my Archon for raw metal tones.
Check out my review of the NRG DB33, which is a Fortin inspired boost, I thought it sounded pretty good with my MT15 too!
I have this amp. to you comment about the unbalanced volume being a problem recording. It shouldn't be as you should have everything dialed in prior to recording. should all amps be matched if all channels are at noon?? I don't know. I don't know of any that are. Non issue for me as I've never played any of my amps with everything at noon. just my .02 none-the-less a good video. Thanks for the hard work
Thanks! Yes but keep in mind, if you're switching on/off the drive on the clean channel the difference in volume within than channel is also pretty apparent. I appreciate the extremely high headroom clean channel but it doesn't feel like it's in harmony with the rest of the amp. It may be irrelevant in most situations but it caught my ear since I always start demoing amps with their settings at a neutral setting, it's never been this obvious so far.
I wish you would have compared them using the same boost.
Fellow gear heads, I have a question. If this is THE misha mansoor signature head, why does it sound fizzy and not so low mid focused? Periphery is all about the low mids right? But this amp sounds kind of dull in my opinion. I’m a huge peavey fan, and even I got disappointed by hearing this. Is this a misha/money exploit? “If i say it’s my sig head then all the kids will buy it?” Or is this honestly what he was envisioning when he came out with this head. It sounds 8/10 for my tastes, but i just wanted to have a discussion about it.
You’re doing it wrong. Now, that’s not your fault because it takes a little research to understand how to kill the fizz. Peavey messed that up. Turn the post gain up to 3:00. Higher post gain = less fizz.
Also I have no idea why people have this thing about an amp having to sound pretty much its best a noon. That’s a self imposed limitation. Dial it in a bit. Don’t be scared of extreme settings if need be.
And yeah it’s fair to compare the MT15 to the Invective using a boost since the Invective has an onboard boost. Probably better to use the same outboard boost with both but it’s still fair the way you did it.
I agree the Invective has too much gain. A lower gain tube helps. I had to do that with my Stealth 50w as well.
Overall, good video. Maybe try it again with high post gain, low master. And again, you aren’t afraid to dial in the MT15, so don’t be afraid to dial in the Invective. 👍
I see, unfortunately I had to send the amp back already now. I understand if you're saying that the "neutral" position of the knobs don't mean anything, but to me it's a testament whether the engineers paid attention to give you the most balanced tone overall with all settings at noon, then you can proceed from there and shape it to your taste. My PRS or for example that H&K Tubemeister I reviewed gave you hours of tones without even touching the EQ. It's more of a philosophical approach I guess.
@@MilianMalivukMusic EQ at noon sounds pretty good as long as the post gain is high. But with lower post gain (even as “low” as noon) you need to dial back the presence and sometimes the treble a bit.
It’s a shame Peavey built it that way or at least that they didn’t make that fact 100% clear to all the early reviewers because I think it’s caused a lot of people to struggle with that amp. The way the post gain works and the way the master boost works are two things about the invective that trip up a lot of people.
No big deal. There are plenty of other great amps out there. :)
Peavey sounds much better to me. It's open and heavy. MT15 sounds boxy and small. I have played MT15, and I couldn't get any good sound out of it.
You need to bias the amp manually when swapping different power tubes. Its not automatic. Its in the manual.
This is an amp for professionals who play live. This is not a bedroom amp. Its for players who are the real deal.
I agree that both amps do sound completly different anyway... but for me the PRS bass is really flobby in some way. I actually really prefer the Peavey. I would have expected a clean cold tone from the peavey. A matter of taste both sound good huh.. :P
The question of who needs this in the rioe age of plug ins? I do. I love the plug in sound but the real thing "an actual amplifier" is always better in my mind.
wrong
But you didn’t EQ the Invective and you did EQ the PRS… you got the PRS head where you wanted it but didn’t do the same with the Invective…
Fan of your channel btw
İnvecticw is better i used prs and invective 20 i. İnvective is better for my taste prs is like 50 watt hiss but sonething missing
right tool for the right job. i would not buy this for the bedroom. you hit the nail on the head towards the end; it comes alive at band volume.
I haven't watched the whole video (it's a little on the too long side for me), so maybe you did it, but about the fizziness, why don't you adjust the treble and presence ? That's why they're there ? Also I thought it sound extremely tight and agressive, very cool. You got some great tones out of it !
I excuse the extended video, I got carried away talking here! About the fizz: fizz doesn't equal high end frequencies in general. The fizzyness comes from a rather small band of pronounced frequencies here, dialing down tone and presence resulted in a sound too dark for my taste.
@@MilianMalivukMusic Got it, thanks !
Noise Gate is the most impressive thing here.... and the MT15
They make a mini head of the invective that might be better ?
I'd be keen to try that, however you lose many of the features of this big version that you'd want if were to buy an amp like this? idk
Man the PRS MT15 sounds awesome here...
Previously its not interested me tbh.
Based on the ‘nature of ‘gain’’ it seems ridiculous to expect levels to be the same just because the knobs are in the same place... good thing they turn I guess \m/ See if your PRS acts the same way :) I doubt it does
I love the PRS in this video. It's super chunky and full. The Invective is way too big and full of features I don't need and won't use, assuming I could even find one. Rather have a good plugin chain or a little lunchbox amp and cab emulator.
Great video
Sorry, what was the name of the OD ?
Yeah, sorry, I've should have written it on the screen: Aesahaettr by Lichtlaerm Audio! :D
@@MilianMalivukMusic brilliant thank you, I'll check it out ! Btw the tone with the PRS and the OD is amazing! Can that PRS hang with a drummer ??
Firstly - run all 3 post gain channels WIDE OPEN. Run Master Boost at 5-6. Those 2 hints right there change the amp completely, and for the good.
Trust me on this. The sounds you're getting are really bad. It sounds nothing like my 120. Not a big deal, you just haven't had enough time to get it right.
You need master boost on and set 0. Master volume 2 and post 7 fiizziness gone;))
I don't think this amplifier is capable of biasing itself. Whenever you change your power tubes, you should have the bias checked, even if using the same type of tubes.
I have a peavey invective MH its getting returned tomorrow, despite it being defective I think the mt15 just plain sounds better and I already own an mt15
Prs mt is not better amp for than invective 20 mh
@@highgainmaster7856 Well, tone is certainly subjective so everyone is entitled to their opinion. I literally own both and have played them back to back, the fact that the mt15 has real deal 6L6 tubes gives it the sound of a much bigger amp. I found the invective MH to sound like a lunchbox amp with its EL84 tubes I felt it sounded a little congested and really fell apart at higher volume. My invective does have other issues though which is why its getting returned.
@@grafforlock i played side by side too. İ had torpedo reload invective mh you need to post gain 4 5 6 at 20 watt setting when you record both invective 20 is way better for my taste.
That's quite intwesding.
Sehr intwesding, ja!
Great comparison. What overdrive pedal are you using with the PRS?
Aesahaettr by Lichtlaerm Audio!
No one needs a 120w tube amp....
Secretly I am buying all the valve amps I can get my hands on. 😁
No one needs a stand full of guitars either... but one can want it :D
@@MilianMalivukMusic no one needs all of it, says the two people trying to get it all 😆
9:17 still have the drive on - which is why it is gain-y and saturated.
mt15 for me
Amp power isn't necessarily about how loud you can crank it. Its about how little the power section distorts. Even at the same relatively not-loud volume, a 15 watt amp's power section is more saturated than a 100 watt amp. More power = more headroom. So yeah, you can definitely go louder with a 120 watt amp but that's really not the point.
Anyway, in 2021 this amp like any amp is for someone who wants to play through real tubes and a real guitar speaker. That's about it. It might not be ideal for anything other than inspiration.
I bought an Mt15 based on UA-cam videos and hated the feel, it was too mushy and sounded way better in recordings vs in the room. I sold my 6505 for it and missed the sound of the 6505. I even bought a precision drive for the mt 15 and the attack still wasn't as good as the 6505 with a boost.
Admittedly, the PRS definitely needs pedal to be tightened up. It helps to have a high dB boost to keep the gain on the PRS down.
It’s not fair without using cab to compare
I have a Peavey Invective.120 and an Invective.412 cabinet for sale as a bundle. If someone want one. 1 Year old Barely Used.
0:05 sounds a bit like Ephemeral by Afterglow :D
Amps are just fun as fuck compared to digital they both sound great but having a real amp is fun to have and tweak
A very boring amp. I'd rather buy a 6505 and a boost/noise gate for half the price.
The price point on the 120 is tough to make people bite IMO...especially considering the competition. The MH seems like a good option at its price point compared to the competition. I love my MH overall. It's not the best amp I own, but it is very versatile and covers a good range of tones.
agreed, I noticed they lowered the price a lot now.
MTS 15 is the winner. And its extremely loud. Not too heavy. Sounds great with all my pedals. Still breaking the tubes in on mine.
I'm kinda mixed, I have Neural Nolly/Cory Wong/Cali/Omega and they sound amazing with my Tannoy Gold 8 monitors. However I have an EVH EL34/Archon/Mesa TC and a Bogner cab next to it. The Plugins sound amazing but playing the amps when nobody is home is pretty next level.
That's absolutely true. When I write and record the plugins are amazing, however there are these days where you just want to play guitar. Loud. But let me tell you, the PRS is plenty enough for that even through the attenuator at -20dB you can still blow your ears off at home if you feel like so.
This amp is way too fizzy. It definitely needs an EQ on the FX loop to cut out a lot of the fizz.
It looks like you give him too much gain;) Probably not the same lvls of gain like in your prefered settings in other amps.
I need at least 100 watts.
The PRS is quite promising. I really hate buzz.
Does anyone know an amp that will roar and purr without bzzz, bzzz?
Diezel VH2/VH4 :)
Haven’t tried the real amp but I’ve seen plenty of demos and after having been using the plugin alliance VH4 plugin as my main guitar sound for over a year, I can confirm it has that girthy roaring sound without the annoying top end fizz
@@ivanogt7196
Thank you, but my thoughts were more about an amp for home use.
Feel free to watch my other videos on the PRS, I personally think it's insanely good. Also quite purry is that Jet City JCA22 I purchased used, but they have been discontinued.
@@MilianMalivukMusic
Thank you very much!
Who isn't dreaming of an pocket Soldano?
Anyway I'l check your other MT15 vids out. Maybe my dream amp is close at hand.
EVH
5150 style amps need a dip around 4khz 🤷♂️
This amp gets some hate but it’s literally the Swiss Army knife of amps. Your settings aren’t right
invective 120 has to be pushing 8 speakers and loud enough to blow your pants off to get that special sound .its hard to get in the studio.
Great amp, but sold mine in 3 months and got the EVH Stealth...too many volume issues....and it the fizz gets louder as you crank it. I literally had to crank post, master and engage the master boost to get a decent stage volume. I dont personally think it should even be rated at 120 watts.....seeing the Stealth blows this amp away on 2. This amp would be great in a studio IMO
I had an Invective too and never really cared for it. I recently sold it and I almost bought the EVH Stealth. I ended up getting a KSR Ares instead and I love it. But I would still like to get a Stealth eventually.
@@300WINMAG360 its a beast of an amp, you will love it
No need for 120 watts I’ll stick with my 20 watt MH.