Peavey 6505 VS Peavey Invective 120! (Is The Invective SUPERIOR??)
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Thanks for watching my comparison of the Peavey 6505 vs the Invective 120. Both are derivatives of the "OG" Peavey 5150 (Eddie Van Halen's signature amp). The Invective has all the features and improved tone. Is it superior though? Let's find out and be sure to let me know in the comments what your thoughts are after watching the video. Thanks!
Gear used in this video:
- Peavey 6505
- Peavey Invective 120
- ESP LTD Phoenix 1000 Deluxe (red & white)
- Gibson Les Paul Custom
- RedSeven Amplification Amp Central Reactive Load
- York Audio cab IRs
- Cubase 12 Pro
- Steven Slate Drums
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Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction (Watch First!)
00:50 Feature Overview/Comparison
04:53 Clean Tone Comparison
06:49 Clean Tone Comparison Isolated
08:38 Rock "Crunch" Rhythm Comparison
10:12 Rock "Crunch" Rhythm Comparison Isolated
12:06 Heavy "Lead" Rhythm Tone Comparison
14:19 Heavy "Lead" Rhythm Tone Comparison Isolated
16:02 Conclusion
The Invective sounds like what a 6505 would sound like with a High Cut that producers and engineers will use 100% percent of the time they hear that high end fizz. Really does focus your tone.
It is much more compressed and smooth sounding compared to the 6505’s looseness. Both sound great but I know by the time I record both and process them the only difference will be the smoothness vs looser 6505.
Invective wins this one but they both are insanely great imo.
Nice! The EVH 5150 III should be a bit closer to the invective, Misha did a good job of getting the Peavey to sound tighter again
I feel like I "should" prefer the invective because its newer, has the features, is more hyped, but I find myself liking the darker vibes from the 6505.
Great video as always, thanks a lot and congrats ! 6505 for me and I liked the cleans better on that one !
Revisiting this a year after and I'm still happy choosing my PV 5150
I love everything about Mishas amp, everything just sounded fuller to my ears. It's a shame that I would probably never be able to afford that amp, but it's too much for my bedroom playing anyway lol.
Great video as always! Thank you for making this great comparison of these awesome amps!
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Great comparison! I prefer the more modern tone and functionality of the invective.
I got to Play the Invective a few days before Peavey announced it, in a crowded office in Meridian MS. Even with a cheap poorly set up guitar it sounded amazing. I find alot of amps take a bit of effort to get chugging but any way you set the Invective up rocks
I prefer the 6505 this time. I like the classic sound. Great test Jon!
I will now make some popcorn and go to Thegearpage to look at the complaints and fighting.
Excellent demo
I really enjoyed the differences in the Clean tones. The dirty tones were similar enough that it probably wouldn't make a difference which Amp you used. I did prefer the Invective's Clean tones, but context would determine which Amp was appropriate to the music. They both sounded good.
Both sound awesome. Purely taste at this point. Invective is awesome for live for sure due to all the built in stuff
Great content 👌
Hi John, the video is great as always… one slight problem tho mate is that the sound of the full mixes sounds like it’s hitting the limiter hard and so the sound pumps a little. This is by no means any sort of criticism as I love the content you produce.
The Peavey Invective reminds me more of the Peavey Ultra Plus amp. The basic features are very much the same. Came out about the same time the 5150 came out. In my opinion, it blew away the 5150 because it had more versatility. I still have my Ultra Plus and it is still a great sounding amp. Check it out sometime.
Fantastic amp, also has 1/2 power switch.
the XXX was basically the ultra + successor, and after that came the 3120 that was also barely changed. all of those do very similar things, and especially the XXX is quite easy to find for not that much money.
Agree with you… I would go Invective although I really liked the rock crunch tones on the 6505.
Actually preferred the clean tone on the 6505
I liked the clean and crunch tones of the Invective much more, but for the lead channel the 6505 was able to give it a fair competition.
P.S.: Loved that clean section riff!
Picked up a 6505+ from a local pawnshop for 400 bones. My favorite speaker combo with it is a DV77 and a Jensen Nighthawk. The lead and crunch sound great, but the cleans not so much. Thanks for the comparison.
Those features on the Invective are amazing, but the simple elegance of the 6505 still wins in my book 🔥
I love 5150/6505. It’s true, this amp sounds littlel more open, rude, but the low end and the definition in the mix are brutal. The invective remains me my Diezel Herbet, more compressed tone, more control, may be more definition in chords with frist string specially, but sound a littlel HI Fi. I love this tone in fact may be the feeling playing it, for me would be better, besutyful processed metsl tone, but if I hace to choose with my ears…5150 sound more aggressive for me and in the mix I think it’s a better option. Obviuosly you hace less options, but with Line6 Helix in 4CM you can use a prev with clean tone instead the clean chanel of the 6505. Both are beasts. I would like to be owner of an original 5150…some day may be. Changing the main theme, I have to say your vídeos are the best I have ever seen. Very very useful, the production is really incredible, the music you create is very nice and always under service of the video, clean, crucnh, lead parts to ensure your audience could have an idea of all tones the amp of device can offer. It’s really hard work but useful for them who can’t have the possibility to try all these incredible toys 😅. The production of image and video are also incredible. It’s easy to see what are you doing and undertand what it is sounding. Congratulations friend. Keep rocking and good luck. Best regards friends 🤗
I don't know the specs and features of either, but for the first time in these comparisons I had a favorite across the board: the 6505.
The Invective was very impressive everything ever done by using outboard gear ie. pedals and processors has been designed right into the amp. Part of the charm of the 5150 is its rough edges. After all it's Rock & Roll. The other 'charmer' is at the moment the Invective is $2000 USD amp and the 6505 is HALF that at $1000 USD.
Lead without boost through the phone sounded nearly identical 😅 especially in the mix.... Maybe just a little more crisp on the invective, but i guess with the extra features id like the invective
I prefer the 6505 for everything in this video . Do you own a JP2c? I would love that you do a blind test with it, the axe etc
Yet another awesome vid. Thanks, mate. Love me some Peavey power. I notice you haven't done one for the Peavey 3120 or the XXX II, my two favourite Peavey's. Don't like them? I would love to see/hear you give those two monsters a good workout. Out of these two other monsters, however, I find myself agreeing with your conclusions. Get down and dirty with the 6505. The Invective is a gift to the modern - more djenty? - player. And the Invective cleans are just crystal.
Anyhoo, cheers from the land Downundah, mate. \m/ 0_o \m/
I managed to match my 5150 Block Letter exactly to an invective - getting the Invective master volumes in the correct position is the hardest and most critical part to match. From memory, they need to be around 6 on the Invective to sound like the 5150 around 3.
The master affects the 5150 tone so much, it’s the same on the Invective but more complicated because there are more of them that need to be set correctly to match. I’m sure that’s what’s causing the difference here.
Great video!
Invective for sure.
The clean tone riff sound similar to Christopher Cross. Either way nice comparison 👍🏽
I have the invective mh.. thought about getting a 6505 plus? I would get the full size invective but I don't like the footswitch
I think I prefer the slightly more open aggressive mids of the 6505 for Crunch and Lead but it is so close especially in the mix, whereas the 6505 cleans sound like records I know but objectively aren't very good. I think for an all in one stage amp the Invective is better with the added features but for studio use where you would probably use a nicer clean amp anyway I like the 6505.
Anyone thinking about the invective as a purchase, rethink it. Had two of those amps, that I both had to send back because they had failing components. Finally said screw it and bought a blacked out Dual Rectifier Multi Watt and have had zero issues with it.
so cool! my frist!
Incentive chuggggzzz hard!
The invective sounds so tight that it sounds choked and cold. That has it’s place but if I’m going with a tube amp I want it more raw and unruly. If I want ultra tight I’d go with a modeler with a solid state power amp. I like amps that make me feel like I have to fight it till I’m locked in like riding a wave.
Honestly they're both beasts just with a different flavor. The invective is more tight and is great with low tunings. The 6505 is just an amazing amp that covers so many metal genres its insane. For my death metal use I prefer the 6505 but both are amazing amps
Would be intersting to see how they compare to a boss katana head.
6505 have more outlined sound, which I prefer more. Good review!
Metal tone opinion. Somewhere in the middle of the bassy 6505 tone and the middy Invective would be best to me. Not enough umpf on the Invective while too much mud on the bassy 6505. I would choose an EQ'd 6505 to clean up the mud for metal tones.
According to my ear, I can feel that the Invective sounds warmer in its clean tone, while the 6505 sounds a little more "dirty" so to speak, and that "dirty" sound is the one I like but it feels more in The 6505 MH, compared to the distortions, sound very similar, maybe my audio devices make them feel that way, maybe for someone else they will both sound different, but the 6505 has something about its distortion that is more characteristic and calls me more Attention, if I would choose one of these two, without a doubt for distortion I would lean towards the 6505, but if it is for clean tone the invective
Used to own a 6505 and currently own an invective. If you don’t care about a clean tone go the 6505, if not in experience the 6505 gets way louder way quicker, the invective can be noisy with the boost switch on red channel past 4 (tone is still insane here though). The 6505 you will be changing tubes much more often, invective hasn’t failed me yet. Invective needs the foot switch to use the master boost
I'll stick to my 5150's.
The Invective has a lot of features, but one might decide they prefer external ones than those included, making things like the boost and noisegate moot...
Sound-wise, the 5150's have a slight edge for distortion. As far as the clean sounds, if you use them, there are ways to get a great tone out of the Peavey, but it takes external fidgeting and extra gear.
I guess it all depends on if you think the 2x in price is worth it to you, or you want to spend it on other stuff. Live, the extra could be useful, depending on your situation. I'd pick the the OG as a studio amp hands down if you don't need all the flexibility and the distorted tone is critical.
I liked them both, but I still prefer the 6505. Even with cleans.
I don't need all the features built into the Invective. I already have all of that covered.
I guess, to me, the 6505 sounds a bit less refined and I like that.
6505 for My pick
I wish you would have turned the bright switch off for an iteration or 2 in the clean.
I owned an Invective 120 and hated it. I now own a 6505 and absolutely love it.
Got rid of my invective as well. Features are great but that red channel did feel or sound good to me in a room or with a band.
@@burythemdeepband On mine I felt like the red channel was very harsh with a ton of high-end that couldn't be dialed out. The crunch channel was too loose and funny. I liked the clean channel but hardly ever play clean. I haven't missed mine at all since I got rid of it.
Aaaaand now there is the new 6505 II so, will you be getting that one for a new comparison?
Haha don't think so unless Peavey sends me one
No kidding, you have dialed in your Invective exactly the same I have mine. I had to look twice to believe it - How high is the probability of that with so many knobs to turn 😂
Thing is, in the mix, I didn't noticed any diff in Lead tone, which almost always happens so we sould play more and search tone less. I like the 6505 lead more, but the features, detail of control, confort of having separate clean and rhythm and lead tones, pre post and a common master, etc... make the Invective a nice option, if they were in the same price range, which I doubt. Indep. of the price, one has to think what they will use it for. To play alone and enjoy its sound, I'd go for 6505. To play with a band, if I didn't care about money, I'd go for the invective.
With your invective, do you get a high pitch ping sound though the amp when you use the footswitch?
No
@@SonicDriveStudio glad I ended up sending it back then 😀 tempted to try again
Maybe there’s something wrong with my ears but I thought the 6505 clean was absolutely the clear winner. It wasn’t even close. Especially in the mix it just sounded so much more clear and interesting. The Invective just disappeared into the mix and not in a good way.
🤘🤠👍
Hopefully the Invective has a better circuit design than the 5150 III's. Time will tell but the 6505's seem to have held up well, so that's a good sign.
What I found if you want to tweak the Invective for that classic 5150 mk2 style sound you have to run the bass and resonance on it quite high or even max them. It doesn’t have the 5150 mk1/6505 grind to it though… Therefore I‘m pretty sure I‘ll have to buy the new 6505 Original 1992 Reissue soon 😂 Anyways, after a while of getting to know my Invective better, I love it so much
Haha my 6505 is awesome! I doubt the new versions will sound all that different tbh
@@SonicDriveStudio I‘m really looking forward to your comparison when you get your hands on one of them. Never had the chance to test a mk1 5150 yet
That Invictive clean sounds nice here but in a live mix you will hear precisely *nothing* of that. I'm surprised they scooped it that much.
Invective low-end is neutered compared to 6505. Improved clean channel though.
I think that is an advantage if you play low tunings ....would make muddling very non existent
Is there any post processing going on here?
No, just a low cut at around 80hz
But do they blend? =)
For some reason I used to want the invective but now I have a fractal FM3 with the extra 6 button board. I just say once you get a fractal there’s absolutely no reason to ever get a different amp or system again. I use it with a synergy power amp I think there’s something like six preamp tubes and four big old power tubes used to use a matrix gt1000 for a power amp but I blew it because I’m dumb lol I was using a friends cabana tried hooking it up steep hooking it up stereo but it wasn’t a stereo cab which is a quick 1000 dollar mistake lol. But yea ams yea I know the fm3 is only like half the processing power as the rack mount and you don’t get to use a bunch of heads on one sound chain ( we ll call it that ). But I’m not that kind of guitar player that needs a bunch of sounds. Most of your tone is going to come from your fingers once you have a decent sound
Lead channels sound the same to me so im gonna have to go with the 6505 for the better looking knobs
Had an invective for a couple years and I liked it but was not IN LOVE with it so I moved on to something else.
So you have to turn the 6505's gain waaayyy down to get a somewhat decent clean sound. The Invective will kick your teeth out with the clean channel without distorting at all.
Plus - you can kick the overdrive on with the clean channel, and you can get a killer blues tone - pretty much like an overdriven Fender.
Finally, I use the Lead channel for the rhythm with the drive between 8-9 o'clock. Gets a very Marshall'esque type sound, and I use the crunch channel for leads with gain at about 2 o'clock. One of the best lead sounds I've ever heard - fat city...
I need all of those sounds, too. No way I could get by with a 6505...
JON I can't believe you didn't get into KSR yet? Or at least get the KSR Ceres preamp pedal it's the best on the market
I feel like you liked your own comment lol
I like the 6505. One classic tone outranks 10 ok variations.
Hello how are you, I have both amps, I use the invective for nothing, it's like a diamond in the rough, it's a Nascar engine, Peavey lacked fine tuning that amp, the 6505 is the opposite, in fact the 6505 with different OVs it gives you a very wide variety of sounds.
Both sound incredible, but the cleans and the features make the Invective the clear winner. I’m also a bit biased because I own an Invective. 😂
Peavey 6505
6505 in terms of tone. Sounds way batter than the invective. But the invective has cool modern features.
Invective clean sound is chimier but on crunch and lead mode about the same...
The Peavey amp won
@@alecse5478 dude, he already told you… the peavey
The 6505 is just a classic. It's THAT sound. Invective would be my choice as a live amp because it also sounds great and has much more usable feature set and cleans.
What’s odd is via the phone speakers the Invective is much more mid range focused.
I think I prefer it over all. Both are solid though
6505 sounds more brutal
6505 is the best
i thhink 6505 fits better my tastes. I love that punch, it moves the air so much, Invective is ok but sounds more flat and boring to my ears.
I'm biased, 6505!
The Invective wins in every aspect - of course, it's my personal taste ! The clean is crystal and the high gain tone is really modern, compressed and very polished ! ♥️😽
6505 sounds meaner, and therefore better, in my opinion.
To me, the Invective distortion sounds more saturated. The 6505 more articulate.
I came here trying to get sold on the Invective, but the 6505 just sounds better to me. Especially in the palm mutes. That chug is the deciding factor for me, and the 6505 has it. Less controlled and just wild sounding.
I really like my Invective though. Maybe try one?
interesting. I prefer the clean on 6505 by miles. It carries all frequencies, it's more melodic and readable. If I want fender clean I would use EQ in front. Invective's clean is not fenderish, not anything really. The same with Crunch. 6505 is clearer, better string separation, more melodic, and maybe a bit more dynamic in comparison with muffled invective. Leads on both sound very close but again, 6505 sounds a bit less compressed. 6505 would be my pick.
Own a 6505 and i prefer it
Invective sound like plugin , 6505 the best in my opinion
Misha's signature precision drive also has a plugon like feel to it so I guess thays his taste
6505 is much better in tone.. lets be honest :) btw clean tone guys dont buy metal amps!
White guys playing distorted guitars!!
Yup. And down with the chug life.
Invective for cleans.
signed: amp model guy for life