Peavey 6505 MH vs Invective MH! Which One Is More BRUTAL??
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2021
- Thanks for watching my comparison of the Peavey 6505 MH mini head to the Invective MH mini head (Misha Mansoor - Periphery). These compact tube amplifier lunchbox heads both deliver when it comes to tone and features but they certainly sound unique in their own ways. But which one of these 2 is the best choice for you? Find out by watching this comparison!
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So, which one do you like best?? The Invective MH or 6505 MH? Which one would you buy? Let me know!
Invective MH. I'm biased because I own it.
I prefer the clarity of the invective personally.
Invective is way more noisy, and something honking and pooping in the mids. Everything Misha touches, sucks.
6505MH because it has this mid punch while the Invective is the more scooped one in my ears.
Lower gain tones 6505 and high gain Invective IMO. It'll be a tough decision though.
Clean winner - Invective
Crunch winner - 6505
Lead - 6505
True
I'm running Creative speaks and subs through my PC so when I hear the amps in the 'mix' , the clear winner is the Invective but that's just my opinion!
I bought the 6505 a couple weeks ago and I just wanted to share this
I played a Show Yesterday at a skate contest and the Backline consisted of just 1 Speaker Cabinet which we didn't know (we are 2 Guitarists in my band) and we were panicking a little bit and thought that we could cancel our show. BUT the engineer there saw my 6505 MH and told me that i could go directly into the front of house. At first i was worried about it not sounding good but when i plugged in and he turned me up i was just blown away, the sound was fantastic considering the fact that it was running through the MDSI Input.
So If you are worried about the MDSI Input being terrible i can tell you it is not and you can definitely use it.
Nothing beats the 5150 sound. They sound alike. I’d take either.
After trying one in person, the Invective seemed more suited to low-tuned and extended range guitars with its gain voicing. Played a baritone through it and it worked very well. A D tuned six-string sounded too twangy.
The mini 6505 on the other hand sounds good no matter what guitar you run through it..
Six string in drop c it sounds amazing with some 11-56 d'addario nyxl oh yeah 👍
I gotta say, the 6505 sounds more wide-open and less scooped! I have to go with the 6505 in this comparison!
6505 sounds killer but for my sound I think an invective fits me better. It seems individual notes are more pronounced and have the bouncy djenty sound which I love. Seems like 6505 is a jack of all trades and invective is a master of modern metal.
great demo thank you! both sound great, I like the Invective.
I just ordered a Peavey 6505 MH after watching this review. I had been considering the EVH 5150 LBX-S. But I like the 6505 features better. It's also a great sounding amp. So hopefully I made the right choice.
By this comparison, I like the Invective MH over the 6505 MH, especially for studio recording. It has a much clearer sound across all the frequencies and this would lend itself to varying the EQ section for more choices.
I really love these videos!!! Super helpful! I was about to buy the Revv G20 until I came across this video, which drove me toward the invective mh!!!
Jon, you're the king of these comparisons. Never disappoint.
Give me the 6505 mh everytime
Good job! I recently acquired a 6505mh and love it. Big gain on the lead, nice bright cleans easy to push. Humbuckers so far. In your test the very top-end of the MH is a little more sparkly. To my ear. I am learning about which amps use which tubes, and these have the similar capabilities as say the AC 30. I made myself a master list of my amps, with notes, tubes, and serial numbers. I'm up to 14 lol, and I've been lusting over a Morgan for one. Thanks for the video!
Nice ! You played some interesting chords in the high gain section. I appreciate that! Invective for me, seems tighter, but it depends on the application of course. Both sound killer!
Well done, these are killer amps. I still love my 6505MH and I don't regret getting it over the later Invective model.
Amazing video again and spot on, as always. Keep rocking, friend.
the best demo i have ever seen great job!!!
Just picked up an Invective MH on a trade this week and honestly didn't think I'd be super into it but it sounds beastly. It's almost like a cross between a 5150 and an EVH. It's still got that huge and mean lower midrange but with the sparkle and clarity of the EVH amps. I haven't played the 120 but if it's anywhere close to the MH it's gotta be badass.
I've owned one since it came out and I love it, the thing sounds nasty! Going to get some bare knuckle jugs soon and see how it sounds with them!
@@GuitarDiddlerJP15 very djenty :)
Those riffs are insane. Keep doing it!
Thank you, I've been waiting for this one.
I’ve been waiting for this comparison for a long time. I appreciate it. Thanks for all you do!🙏👍🤘
Cheers mate!
Awesome riffs! You guys should make an episode for the riff tutorials!
those riffs !!!! amazing , i have the invective trough a engl 2x12 cab in red
They both sound awesome. I have the 6505 mh and have no complaints. I play metal and punk and only even use the rhythm channel. And your songs are killer. Love your guitar style
I've played the 6505 MH through a 1x12 cab. Cleans and Rock sounds were exactly the same as demoed here but Metal sounds through the cab were a lot better than in this demo. I still enjoyed this comparison though. Rock on!
This is a hard choice for sure. Personally I think the boost switch on the invective is a little bit limited and I would almost prefer the throw a boost or od pedal in front of the 6505 mh which I already have plenty of to choose from.
Great comparison! Some notes as I listen - the Invective clean is very nice, I like it more than the 6505, but people are not really getting these for the cleans. The mid-gain on the Invective is much more high-mid forward - not as nice sounding in isolation but cuts better through the mix. The highs are a bit harsher (especially seeing the high turned down like it was, but that really only becomes a problem further up the neck. High gain is (as expected) similarly more high-mid focused on the Invective, but it cuts through the mix much better - it applies the kind of EQ I would probably put on the 6505 to ease some congestion in the midrange. The Invective seems a bit more nasally in the mids, but that works better in the mix and can be easily tamed (along with the highs) to taste with an EQ. Overall, they're both pretty good but I'd get the invective over the 6505.
Great video demonstration my man. I literally just bought my 6505mh lastnight. It should be here in 2 days. I'm a bass player but wanted to jam with my guitar as well. Thought the 6505 would be great for recordings. I'm a drummer as well but right now don't have the room for a kit, but that's ok as I bought a beat buddy for my drums and a Boss RC1 looper so I can sit and write songs and jam by myself. Thanks for the video. Jam on! 🤘😎
magnificent Comparison man, another amazing Vlog as always, thanks a lot, I have 6505 MH and so satisfied with it , cheers man 🤘🏻🍻❤
Killer, killer riffs man! Good job!
Fantastic video!
I would love to see if you could get a Laney IRT SLS (300w hybrid amp) on the channel and do a comparison between the SLS , the Ironheart Studio 15W and the Ironheart 60W head
I’m wanting to get them both because I have the big brothers to both of the mini heads lol. I’ll start with the mini Invective and then hopefully I can get the 6505 mini head next at some point collect them all lol. Great video man! I enjoy the riffs and everything 🤘
Tone comparisions like this speak more the IRs used than anything. The same IR was used so you could get an AB, but holy shit that IR is amazing
I have two 6505 MH's, I got a deal. Great little amp. Some people feel the lead channel is not too versatile with the gain, that it's just way too much gain. I use a Timmy pedal to actually drop the gain down a little and it makes it more fun. Switch it off for the high gain.. Been wanting the Invective MH. Getting a cup of coffee and sitting down for this video. Thanks Jon.
Glad I got the Invective, especially since the clean channel can actually have a clean tone. Great video!
I would love to see quad tracked guitars where each guitar has one take on each amp, specifically for the rock tone segment. I think the two amps would complement nicely, and if the gain was pushed just a TINY bit more from what you had here, or maybe if you engaged the boost switch on the Invective and then did nothing more, the quad tracking would thicken things up enough for high gain metal tones and it would sound awesome.
Great comparison video again👍.
Great video. Been waiting on this comparison for a while. Can you do a comparison between the invective mini and the new archon 50? Maybe even the PRS MT15 too.
I personally prefer 6505. Both are great👍
They both sound awesome and for my taste I chose the 6505.
The Invective sounded like it had more treble but also had a wet blanket over it at the same time.
Awesome playing
Clean Tone - Invective 100%
Crunch - Also Invective, but barely
Lead - 6505, by a hair
I have the Invective MH and the full size 6505+ myself
Great comparison
3:34 the MH is definitely brutal as hell! :P
Maaan I’ve never headbanged this hard to an amp demo before, that high gain track was killer!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻
Hey man, love the video as always. Think you might be able to get your hands on a Bogner Atma? They’re pretty pricey, but I’ve had one for a few months now and I’d say it’s definitely worth it. Crazy versatile amp. I recommend checking out Johan Segeborn’s review. It sounds great for metal, has amazing light overdrive, and the cleans can go from Fender to Vox with the turn of a knob. I genuinely think this amp is one of the best lunchbox heads out there.
Great comparative video! Good job. Quick question: how do the silent mode cab sims compare? Are they any good? Thanks!
6505. All the way. Even for the cleans. As far as pristine cleans, I find just using a amp VST is a fine way to go for recording
i loved the cleans on the Invective,and the dirty on the Invective is quite pleasing as well,they say it's voiced after the 6505....such a tough choice
At 07:30 I turned my head away for a blind test. 6505 won.
Fuller sound, less harsh
The fact that the 6505 sounds as good or better for $200 less is amazing.
This channel gives the best reviews
I prefer the cleaner stuff on the Invective, but prefer the 6505 on the high gain parts.
Agreed.
right on...
I'd go with a 6505MH for sure!
This is the one i needed to hear. Ik denk dat beide amps zeer goed zijn en dat het echt een kwestie is van smaak. I'ts a matter of taste in this one. Both Excellent amps!
They're both great but in all honesty having a 6505 MH makes me feel like I made the better purchase, just because of the rawness and overall feel that the 6505 has over the invective. I might be in the minority here, but I just like how it sounds more tube-like to my ears and less artificial if that makes sense. Having all of the features on the invective like the noise gate and the built-in boosts are great, particularly the gate, because I have so many boost pedals that it doesn't really matter if an amp has a built-in boost cuz I'm going to want to boost the amp anyway. They sounded similar on both of the lead channels but on the rhythm channels when you took it to a rock sound there was the biggest noticeable difference. Both good but yeah I just prefer that thickness and aggression of the 6505.
I would love a 50 watt mid-size version of the Invective with the midi features of the 100 but smaller footprint. Something similar to the EVH 50 watt amps.
@@neighbourhoodmusician yea man I think people would love that. People seem to be gravitating more and more toward 50 watters these days. Most of my amps are either minis or big boys. I don't really have anything in between but I'd like to grab a hot rodded marshall type amp in a 50 watt config.
@@mattanthony5267 I want the extra headroom and features of a 6L6 or EL34 amp but a full size head is just such a pain in the arse to transport around. The half-size 50 waters are just right to put in the car for rehearsals etc.
@@neighbourhoodmusician good point! I have 4 big 100+ watters and they'd be overkill at a gig. Definitely gonna scoop a 50 watt at some point. Check out ceriatone if you're into hot rodded marshall tones. They make some good shit. I have almost all peaveys and I love what they do for death metal and the modern metal sound but now I'm getting more into classic high gain sounds. I love my Peaveys. Best amps for the money hands down. They hold their own with ANY of the bigger more expensive amps but in my opinion nothing beats the hot rodded marshall sound. At least for old school metal and thrash.
I’ve got a 50w EVH 5150III el34 combo and honestly for this type of amp, it covers all bases, plus has built in reverb and power scaling which the heads don’t.
Great video
Both sounds great, whichever you buy you'll be good.
The 6505 seems to be a slightly more classic sound & the Invective a touch more modern. Both superb, just depends on your taste. Excellent video.
Great video 😮
I'm kinda not on-board with the whole EL84 tubes for overdriven tones. I belive they are very appropriate for clean/chimey tones, and low gain territory, but unsuitable for power section grunt that you expect from EL34s, 6L6s, 5881s, 6550s, KT66s, KT77s,KT88s. In fact it doesn't seem like EL84s have a direct replacement tube/valve other than 6BQ5. But there's good news, in case you missed the huge outpouring of media back in 2011 (sarcasm), JJ brought out the EL844 (the last 4 is not a type-o, it's actually the EL844 instead of EL84).
If you didnt know, JJ stands for Jan Jurco. Mr. Jurco bought up the old TESLA Electronics company, and its all important machinery, to manufacture and distribute its iconic radio tubes/valves. The manufacturers of vacuum tubes/valves are very few, 1. JJ Electronics in the Slovak Republic, 2. SED-SPb in St. Petersburg, Russia, 3. Expo-PUL(Electro Harmonix) factory surprisingly owned by American's in Saratov, Russia, and hold the rights too Svetlana/Sovtec/Mullard/Tung-Sol, 4. ShuGuang in Changsha, Hunan Province, and hi fidelity tube maker 5. PSVane also in Changsha, Hunan Province. That makes a total of 5 tube manufacturers left in the world, and all of them either "were" or "are" in a Communist Country. Not a single western country involved in then manufacturing or Reasearch & Development of these much needed electronics components.
Who's going to create a new 12ax7z tube that is quiet and possesses a gain structure with warmth/smooth hi end/ low end grunt/reliability/ , perfect for the guitar amp market? Plus*, made in the U.S., U.K., GERMANY, SWEDEN, CANADA, JAPAN? WHO???
Its my biggest armchair Dictator topic to date? But other than musicians who love the sound of tube driven tones, nobody understands the problem at hand???
I'm assuming most of us have tube screamers any way so I would have loved to hear the 6505 boosted for fair comparison as that's a usual solution for the muddy lows
Both sound great!
The 6505 is just more open; more of a 3D quality. At least to my ears.
finally some decent tracks to listen to in a demo. nice work. imho they sound too similar to pick one.
They both sounds very good and similar 6505 mini wins for the price
Zieke riffs weer:) I liked the clean sound of the invective the most. It reminded me of the engl fireball 25 for some reason...
Dankje! The ENGLs have nice cleans!
Very good job🤘🏻
With the 6505 mh shown in the video - why is the faceplate different today when I look up this amp on sweetwater's site ? I know the video is about 2 years old, was there a faceplate design change ? The one I'm talking about has 6505 prominent center - not the peavey logo. They appear to be the same amp - 20watt / 5 / 1 - . Just curious b/c I don't see mention of a gen 1 or 2 or anything.
On the clean that you started off with the 6505 MH is a little warmer and a tad bit fuller sounding than the Invective, but I like both. I'd pick the 6505 MH for the clean if I just had to choose. On your run with the overdrive I can not choose. I like both alot! Can't choose on that one. With the lead comparison I'll have both for the win. I think the invective has a little bit brighter top end sound to it than the MH. I still lean toward the MH but really don't know why. In a band with 2 guitarist one player using the invective and the other player using the MH sound similar then and would be soundtastic!!!
Invective has more bite and top end aggression but the MH has more of a growl in the low mids. Both are great.
Invective with the gate and boost, as well as a good clean channel for pedals
Man, I've been WAITING for this exact demo. I'm an owner of a 6505mh and have been wondering if the invective mh might serve my taste more. The clear differences that you show in this are pushing me even further to switching to the invective! The riff in the high-gain riff portion is WICKED btw.
you should buy one bear uwu
And after you you finally make the switch you’ll find another one you need to have
I like the Invective, is more aggressive, Great playing man.
I was about to buy the 6505mh a few yrs back, but got the invective mh instead. Both are great but I am glad I got the invective. The clean channel is way better.
The Invective has much better cleans but I think you can get the same gain tones out of both with some tweaking.
Man I wish there was a way you could tab what you play in some of these videos. I spend as much time trying to figure out what you’re playing as I do what I’m hearing.
I decided to spend the extra money and bought the Invective MH because I knew my curiosity would drive me nuts if I didn't. No regrets, I absolutely love this amp.
I also had a 6505 MH a few years ago. You really can't go wrong with either one. The difference is like splitting hairs but money being no object, I prefer the Invective. If you want to take some of that high end fizz out and sound closer to the 6505, just back off the presence knob. Problem solved.
what beautiful song is that? it's an interesting riff that holds on its own, sounds like a mix of Buckethead and Mark Tremonti, very melodic, loved it 🤘
those two together, my new wet dry bedroom rig, i think it would work out awesome. only question is, which one for wet ?????
I have a 6505mh it's a great amp
The invective is a bit more expensive
Even used it's arround 700 bucks..
My MH cost ne arround 370 bucks
And for that price i think it's really awesome and rare to find.
I agree the invective Sounds a lot colder
And in my opinion the 6505 Sounds cold aswell
But it's really, really Tight and versitele
Since you were using an IR were you using the XLR out? Or how did you record direct?
How do you balance the difference between clean and lead volumes on the invective?
How did you run it thru an IR if the DI output already has a speaker sim on it?
Amazing, this is exactly the comparison I was hoping for! Thank you for showing the amp with boost on and off as well, that's super handy. Interestingly, I noticed you had the post-gain in the Lead example on 5 for the Invective, but only 3 for the 6505. Was there any particular reason for that? Like, the Invective maybe being quieter, or having a different taper on the volume pot - or is it the same and it just sounded better a little cranked? Oh, and sick riffs as always. I've started learning some of the ones from your other videos 👀
For every segment I tried to match the level so that they were just as loud. So the master controls just react differently
@@SonicDriveStudio I see! Thanks for the reply. Do think the Invective would max out before the 6505 then, if it needs more post-gain to match it in volume? Or do they even out closer to the top?
I like the 6505 for it's versatility. Also, it sounds closer to the Bogner Uber i use in the studio. The Invective sounds a tad more "sterile" in a Mesa Dual Rec sorta way. Both are amazing. But for my $, the 6505MH takes it (I bought 2 used for less than 1 Invective MH).
Awesome shootout, both of these absolutely rip!
Cheers!
Did Peavey just release the same amp with an added boost and gate? They sound extremely similar to me.
Hi I am new to Peavy Min Heads, late to the party, for now can I practice on the 6505 using just headphones? I will the speakers later.
You can't beat the depth of that chug on the 6505 MH.
I like the 6505 for everything. The invective is too tight for my taste and not as 3D. Almost like it’s a hybrid solid state or something.
I thought I was hearing a difference, but then I closed my eyes and the amp stopped changing... The only thing I really noticed is that the "boost" has the opposite effect of using a tubescreamer and actually makes it more fuzzy and less chunky. So I would buy which ever one is cheaper and use a tubescreamer. Any difference in tone was miniscule and would never be noticed by an audience.
Invective is much brighter, scooped and less saturated/compressed/spongy. I like both. Not as big a fan of the mid shift in the invective especially with boost engaged. Mid knob all the way out doesn’t really give you that drastically scooped sound either. It’s subtle.
Hey man thanks for the video as always! Are you using the line outs on the amps to your interface to IR in this comparison?
No, loadbox as that sounds more like an actual speaker
@@SonicDriveStudio Cool, thx again!
I love the sound of both, but the Invective seemed like it had a layer of white noise over the top of it
For cleans - definitely the invective!
That last riff rules
Bro, that was lit. 6550 for me \m/
For modern metal I'd choose the 6505MH