Amp REDEMPTION! Does The Peavey Invective Really Suck?!
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2022
- Thanks for watching this follow-up on the previous video. Can I redeem the Peavey Invective 120 or does it really suck? Let's find out...
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It sounds sooooo much better in this video. I actually put your Kraken vs Invective video on parallel and was going through each to compare. In your original video it was the Victory that was victorious :D. But this version of the Invective vs the Kraken it's a tough call! While the Kraken sounds so huge and mean, this clip still sounds huge but more cutting and lean, if that makes sense. And yeap the Invective sounds like a 5150 type of amp. If someone does not like the character of that amp he's not going to like this amp for sure!
Didn't hear the previous video, but I can confidently say that this one sounds fantastic, great work as always.
You always make the Invective sound great in older vids. I really like my Invective 120 w the Invective cab. It shines in lower tunings. Misha did a great job.
I appreciate you doing these videos. To my personal taste, this isn't my sound, and as I'm working to choose a new amp, this helps me narrow things down.
Well John - it's me again. You sold me on this amp back when you first reviewed it. I think a lot of people (not you) who messed with it just simply couldn't figure out how to use it. You can get an ENORMOUS rage of tones just out of the dirty channels. You can go from total fizz to no fizz. Again - I can't stress enough how important it is to max out the post volumes on both OD channels. It really fills out things and reduces fizz as soon as you do that. When you do, you'll notice that there's not a big difference in tone when you go from regular volume to using the master boost (which I usually leave at 5-6).
I've been using a 1960A cabinet loaded with G12T-75's. I was getting a great sound, but something was still not quite right. Sort of had a blanket sound to it. I just stuck a couple of new V30's in it (X pattern), and I am now there. Holy crap - it is perfect!
I can see how some folks might prefer a different tone for metal. I play in a band, though, that requires me to go from bluegrass to metal and everything in between. If you need something with extreme versatility, this thing is a monster. I have to get LOUD cleans without breakup at times, and you sure as hell aren't going to get that out of a 6505, 5150, any EVH, etc.. If you're playing one-trick pony music, then maybe this wouldn't be for you.
I've mentioned this before, but I have a JVM 410H as well. The Invective makes it sound like a carefully executed fart. I haven't even fired it up since I got the Invective. I may just give the Marshall away to charity, as it's just not a good amp.
The harmonics you play in this are so good!
Impeccable job as always, when strumming open strings there’s an annoying metallic overtone that makes my skin cray. Very eye opening video thank you sir
Man you made the Invective sound killer! Great playing too. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
I met Misha at a guitar clinic in metro Detroit and said he preferred using the actual Precision Drive rather then the on board boost. It’s funny cause when I tried out the Invective with my PD, and that bright dial worked well. There’s a lot of tonal possibilities between the master volume and channel volume. I think it’s a great amp from the times I played on it, and I told Misha thank you for getting Peavey to finally modernize the features that Peavey amps lacked.
Misha is a recording genius so learning all of the features of this amp makes me want one
I love the Invective! I’ve had mine for a little over a year now and it’s a truly amazing sounding amplifier, the amplifier makes it more fun for me to play every time I plug into it I find myself playing a lot more. Overall well built the features are awesome as well, it does sound similar to my 6505 but it also has its own kind of character, as of right now I use the 6505 4x12 cabinet with V30 speakers sounds really good through those. Great video man!🤘
I love it. So tight ! I believe the fizz is what makes it a modern tone. Love your playing.
The mesa cabinet definitely lowered the fizz amount. It definitely sounds great. Some amps have more hair than others, but it's easily tamed with a high pass. Great stuff as always from Dallas Texas.
low pass u mean ;)
Great video (as usual). Question : you have MANY cool amps…how may cabinets do you own? Also, what are the advantages of real amp/IR’s vs virtual amps/cabinets?
Seriously bruh…love that wall of amps!! 🇨🇦❤️🎸
Y’all wild if you don’t think the invective is pure 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Facts
The 120w is great the lunchbox variant is 💩
I dunno. I have the lunchbox and it still sounds better than most other amps.
But I have both too and I don't blast gain. I run it tight since I play stuff similar to what Misha (the designer) plays
The video was great. The Invective did great in the video and it’s been great in other videos as well, I just happen to prefer the Kraken a bit more. From the general 6505/5150 lineage of amps, the Invective is one of the ideal-rounded and all-in-one options.
Hello, thanks for your efforts to make us hear all different amps. I really like invective tone but i can't find this amp in my country. What other amps do you offer for similar, dark and aggressive tone? I'm looking for budget amps.
Sounded killer. It's amazing how much different cabinets will change the sound. I only have the invective 2x12 with a V30 and a Creamback and it sounds great through that (unsurprisingly). A video series running a single amp through several different cabs would be interesting.
Thanks! I did two or three of those recently
@@SonicDriveStudio I seem to have missed those as well apparently
I really am in love with the Invective tones, I started with the Invective 120 tha amplifier is the ultimate amplifier in every way fo me personally. I like the boost functions and the master boost comes in handy for live situations its my main live rig and has held up nicely. Long story short I also got the mini Invective 20 watt because I wanted that sound at lower wattage for night time. I really enjoyed the riffs and tone you had dialed in, great video!!
One v30 one neo creamback is golden for me. I think you can dial some fizz out by turning down the presence, either way you can get some awesome sounds out of the invective. Brutal as hell.
Sounds killer to me, but I'm just a drummer. I love your videos. You do such a great job!
I just got an Invective 2 days ago and I was super disappointed when I first turned it on and played it. Thought I’d have to return it but then I figured out how the controls worked and was absolutely stunned. The cleans are so good and the lead channel is a fire breather. Still trying to figure out the crunch channel but it’s such a cool and versatile amp so far.
Awesome. Yeah it has some quirks but if you've familiarized yourself with them you're good to go!
That’s the “problem” with the Invective. You have to learn how to dial it in but some of the things you need to do are not intuitive at all. But once you understand those things the amp can sound phenomenal.
I find it sounding like a tighter Rockerverb, which is amazing, my two favorite sounding Hi Gain amps.
I hope I get one of these two someday.
It was actually your original demo of the Invective and the MH version last year that piqued my interest to begin with. I think the tones you got in that video were fantastic. I will agree though that the sound in the recent video was too sizzly (sp?) for my tastes. That being said, it was only the isolated tracks where I noticed the sizzle; it sounded great in the final mix which is where things really matter IMO when it comes to the sound, at least for audio production purposes. Sounding great by itself is one thing but if it doesn’t sound good in a mix then it’s ultimately worthless IMO unless you want to play completely solo, which I am not interested in. Thanks for the cool videos! You always get amazing tones
Thanks! If it were up to me I'd only include full mix demos because I agree with you that that's what matters the most.
Sounds good to me. I don't generally use tones that heavy, but I still think this thing sounds fantastic.
People will always find a reason to be mad. A good amp is a good amp. Also, 5150 style amps have a certain fizziness by nature - that's their design. Always good tones, Jon!
Thanks! And yes, that's correct! A little hair never killed anyone
I had the invective, yes this circuit has a fizz, but the invective has a particular honk that is unpleasant, I hate their putting the newer transformer into the newer 6505 too, don't fix what isn't broken
Sounds fun! (Great to me!) Big and Toney:)
OK, I got an Invective 20 MH coming today. My heart sank a little when I read the title! Yes, I want a Kraken too! - Next year.
The Invective MH is killer!
I really like the invective, but I also absolutely LOVE using the power amp for my synergy rig. That sounds absolutely incredible.
I’ve been seeing those synergy rigs around. Are they modelers? I saw they have the SLO and the Uberschall Bogner.
@@MrMann-gt1eh they are awesome and not modellers they are full tube preamp circuits built in a pluggable package so buy an affordable base unit and swap in and out affordable officially licensed preamp modules. Its a pretty sweet arrangement.
Are you keeping a wheel of camembert or brie in that laney behind you?
I liked the tone in this video better, I just generally don’t like any of the 5150/6505 variants. The one I remember actually liking was one of the newer models that come stock with EL34s. That one sounded more to my taste, but obviously a lot of people love them since they’re one of the most popular metal amps!
Sounded mad in this video. I liked the tone in the last video but on the day the Super Kraken was definitely the best. They are both amps at the top of my wish list.
🧡 my Invective. After playing the Marshall DSL 20, MT-15, EVH 5153 lbx Stealth, and Peavey 6505 mh I found the Invective mh to be the best one hands down.
Same here 🙌
The thing sounds absolutely killer. I'm absolutely enamored by its features and I'm a big fan of the built-in power supply outlets.
sounds massive. I have 39 high gain heads and this is one I have been on the fence about since I tried it out at its debut at NAMM.
I think you'd enjoy it
Comments starting 6:25 are spot on. There are lots of reasons (most of which are perfectly valid imo) people kinda have a sour taste in their mouths about the Invective. When you couple that with the quirkiness in dialing it in, it’s a recipe for people disliking the amp. Dialed in correctly though, it is a killer amp.
Edit: yeah do the 6505/Invective video. Looking forward to it.
The Invective 120 is my biggest gear disappointment to date. I bought one brand new and spent the next year trying to convince myself that I liked it. I eventually sold it and I haven't missed it for a second. I ended up getting a KSR Ares 50 after the Invective and couldn't be happier with it.
Like your playing style.
Jon, dude, I was just trying to drive down the market. You didn't have to make a video. lol. I really thought it sounded bad in the last one, this does sound better. I didn't think about cab choice before, but maybe that made a difference. Still don't think I'll be buying one anytime soon.
It's all good fun man :)
Nice riffing there!
I just want to say that I really respect your innate ability to accept “criticism”, roll with it even and create content from it. That’s really genius man. Stay on your game. Also, you said, “I like to keep things fresh and interesting and like to change things up a little bit. There are no rules on how to create videos…” I just want to say that this applies to all of art. There are no rules on how to dial in THAT amp each and EVERY time you play it. There are no rules on the guitar you use, how to have your knobs on the guitar set, string gauge. How hard YOU pick vs someone else. How hard and aggressive YOU bend vs someone. Pedals… it never ends. I LOVE my multi watt Dual Rec. Your videos helped me solidify my purchase. What I’ve learned about it however, every time I play it, I do so with slightly different settings. You know as well as I do how loud this beast is so with the Channel masters on 11-1 o’clock and the final Output volume between 7:30 and 8 is like a plane powering up and taking off. Anything with the Output at 9 o’clock to noon and that plane becomes a supersonic space shuttle leaving the atmosphere. At those wildly different “loudness” settings the tone knobs need tweaking if only by minuscule amounts and all this affects the tone. Everything you change, changes something down the line and grail tone/sound is relative so now we have the variable of whose ears it’s hitting and from what angle out of which speakers. Anyways, just something for the more inexperienced readers to hopefully understand take to heart and THANK YOU, again!
Thank you so much! That was awesome. Much appreciated!
I liked the invective in both video's in the mix. I like the cutting creambacks better. I think the EQ needed a bit more adjustment post, if you did do that. The invective cab has a heavy mag creamback, not the normal one, which is a massive different in its headroom and "airiness" sound.
I personally like to use the rhythm channels of 6505's and boost the crap out of them rather than the lead channel. Misha said he did this early on in periphery, what interview I don't recall.
Misha normally uses a 2x12 Zilla FB with 1 V30 and 1 G12-H75 creamback. I own the same Zilla cab to pair with my EVH 5153 Stealth, it's killer.
I really want to hear this with kt88's. The manual says you can use them.
Epic sounds.
This sounded a lot better already! You got rid of the fizziness.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the sound of the Invective too in the other video, but I just preferred the Super Kraken. This sounds great though!
All good bro! It's all good fun :)
Sounded so fucking good
If only one amp?6505 6505+invective 120 which one do you prefer?
Hellooo!! Fantastic video! I’m considering getting a new head and the two I’m eyeing are the Invective and JVM410H. I’m looking for versatility. Nice cleans, good classic rock crunch and massive high gain tones. Please help me choose!
Oof, both are amazing! The JVM is just very Marshall sounding. Invective mpre 5150. JVM is better for classic rock imho
@@SonicDriveStudio Thanx for reply! That’s what seems to me as well. I wish I could try both of them. I’m gonna see what other people say too. But since I already have the Invective MH, maybe the JVM is better just for the sake of variety.
@@sergejkrynycky728 oh yeah in that case I'd say go for it!
I thought the video with the Zilla cab sounded great. Curious why the YA 5153 cab pack wasn't used this time. Even though it is another GB it pairs with the Invective for obvious reasons. Does anyone know if Misha uses a tone capture of his invective on his AxeFX3 on stage? I have seen a few videos of them using other models...
Good question. I'd like to know that too.
Sounds way better in this video 🤘
I think the vintage 30 and cream back combo is the preferred sound
Killer tones!
I've tried a ton of different amps when I was looking for high gain tones. I went with the Invective because of how good the tone was for the price. I had a difficult time getting a crunch tone or a classic rock gain so I bought a Victory The Jack Pre Amp, and that combo mixed with my other pedals does everything I want now perfectly. Also I love what the tight and boost switches do with 7 and 8 string guitars.
Nice! I bought the Mesa Dual Rec Multiwatt last week! First tube amp. I love it but it definitely needs some tightening in the low end ESPECIALLY if I was to (and will) run a 7/8 string. I honestly think all these amps are so incredible these days that with a pedal or 2 you can get any sound you want out of virtually anything.
When I was shopping for my main amp I was stuck between a few amps and invective was one. My list was
Invective
Revv generator mk2
Engl savage mk2
EVH 5150 el34 100 watt
EVH 5150 Stealth 100 watt.
The generator was the first to go off the list. Next was the invective. But the point is, it was on my top 5. Really nice amp. Packed with features and rather future proof as well. I ended up going with the 100 watt el34 EVH. The tone just trumped all the other amps by a long shot.
@@TheCyberMantis i like the midrange better with the el34. Just a little more snarly. It also sounds a little more junky to me... less refined like the stealth. Now don't get me wrong, you can get them to sound VERY similar to each other. But they still have just slightly different flavors. I also felt like the el34 had more snap and punch when palm muting.
Invective 120 is a great amp! It just has to be dialed in! 👍🤘👍
It's an OK amp, but no chance in hell I would spend my hard earned cash on one with so much better choices out there for the same or even less money... Great job as always though mate!! I came for the riffs ;))
It's all about personal preference
idk, you made it sound good!
Hey have you reviewed any Revv amps, the D or G 20 or the generator? Would be interested to hear you thoughts and to hear your demo, thanks for the content
I have never tried a Revv but I'd love to
@@SonicDriveStudio I think you would make an amazing demo song using the generator 120 but they are so damn expensive. I have a D20 & G3 pedal due any day now from Thomann so very excited!
Sounded much better this time around, yes I have had to defend this amp a few times, it takes some dialing in, and the master boost on is essential (also a design flaw) if the master boost is turned off and the footswitch is not plugged in you have no way of turning it on again, I bet many people tried it in the store that way without realising, also as you know the post gain's need to be cranked to open it up a lot more
Mine is on by default. And I have it on all the time now
@@SonicDriveStudio Same
Many say they need the master boost to be turned on to make the amp sound good - any thoughts on that? I‘m going back and forth between engaging it and not… It seams to make a difference but it could also be fletcher munson effect tricking my brain.
It makes a difference but it's on the subtle side
That top end, I call it the breakfast bacon. And 100% it is part of that entire amp line sound
Sounds good to me
@@SonicDriveStudio yep who doesn't love the sound of frying delicious bacon? I'm always disappointed when sound engineers eq it out of records
That you for this and all the other great videos.
I wish you would reverse the order of the samples and put the amp in a mix at the end and start with the isolated track. I think this would help me get a little for familiar with the nuances of the amp before i hear how putting it in a mix with other instruments hides some of those differences.
Also i love your musicality. Thank you!
Good for chugs it seems, but the open single notes sound shrill like with resonating frequencies.
Yeah that presence control really makes or breaks it for me. It sounds far better than the last video, though I love my Kraken too much to let it loose against this!
Don't get me wrong, the Super Kraken is freaking amazing!
I think the 2 mic idea was a good one. Ola usually has the SM57 with the Neumann and that seems to create a good balance for high gain tones. Shoot, I like the 57/ribbon combo for all tones really.
Rabea is my favorite guitarist but I am among the few that liked the invective more. Maybe I was just listening from an ‘in the mix’ perspective but hey, how often do you listen to a metal song with only a guitar?
Also I’m 100% with you on the fact that the ‘fizz’ is inherent to the metal icon that is the 5150. Once again, it’s something that doesn’t jump out at you in a mix.
I used to only judge tone based on how the guitar sounds on its own, and never really cared for 5150s actually , but thinking about how it sits in a mix is de way. These days I really want a 5150 :) Tight chunks, good cleans (depending on the model-but none of them are terrible) and the capability to go into doom land with let’s say a rat (my go-to dirt).
And hey, much much respect for responding to your viewers’ comments.
Thanks! I usually use mic blends but to make the Kraken bright enough I needed to use a single 57 for that one. To keep the mic sounds as even as possible I just decided to also stick with that concept for the Invective.
@@SonicDriveStudio makes sense to me!
Hey John! Can I have a honest review of the Blackstar Ht-Metal 100 from you? (If you get your hands on one)
I did a review on the 50w
@@SonicDriveStudio Yes I saw that but I think the Ht Metal version is different and I own one but I kinda wanna sell it and get a Jvm 410h XD
@@kinglord5163 oh that one. Hmm not sure if they even make those anymore?
Sounds great to me, again
Are these made in the u.s.a?
Invective vs. 6505 please!
This amp gets a bad reputation for many things but it’s got potential if you make the effort to dial it in.
Beast
With this cab sounds more familiar IMO
Mesa cabs tend to do that indeed :)
I really like the Invective, almost more than a 6505, it seems more scooped and it has more saturation.
This is one of those amps like the Marshall Tsl that gets a bunch of hate for no raisin
Played with one before. I think people don't like its high freq. Too much presence, but I think it's good for modern metal
Love my invective, but also want a Kraken 😂
It sounds killer to me!!
It's a 6505 + with a really good clean channel is what I saw it promoted as ,,,with a ridiculous huge pedal
I just wish they named it something that does not sound like "ineffective"
This Amp sounds great with 6550 tubes and the invective cabinets…
Consistent and affordable amp!
sounded good the 1st time sounded great the 2nd time
I love the invective
The clean has always sucked on it, but the distortion can hang with any.
My favourite amp, 6534+ , Invective!!
I prefer original 5150 personally. Sounds warmer, darker, and crunchy at least to me. I feel more relaxed listening it if that makes sense for heavy distorted tones.
Will compare it to the 6505 soon
There's really no comparison between the Invective tones in the last video- these are such better tone in this video but the Victory is still the king of these pair I feel
Run it through some evm12l and black shaddow speakers. And pedals, I don't understand people who will spend 3 thousand dollars on an amp and won't pony up for a ccouple pedals
Should definitely keep the IRs the same with amp comparisons, not that I don't like the creamback
I don't complete agree with that although I know many people want that. I might make a video soon discussing that.
Ive got the 20 watt and it definitely needs more low end
I run mine into my 6505+ 112 cab and into a peavey 115s tnt bass amp, and it fixes that issue and fills the room! Lots of low-end here🎉cheers
5150 is a better amp for me, a serious question (not trying to be not nice) does Peavey pay you for all this videos?
Not getting paid for this at all. I also paid for this amp. Fwiw
@@SonicDriveStudio ok, is a matter of taste. I think all the dislikes are people like me who don't like it. Just a matter of taste. I bought it and send it away and got a Stealth.. I'm a 5150 die hard fan and wanted to like this amp but it is not my thing. Keep the good work. I'm getting a kraken because of you ;-) haha
I think the moving to china thing really was a disappointment for most
I am not American so maybe that's why, but I don't really understand why that matters from a quality perspective. People in China are perfectly capable of making great products under good supervision. A lot of my amps are made there and they work just fine.
@@SonicDriveStudio agreed ...however alot people watched the undercover boss show and it left a bad taste in their mouths and you know how much perception messes with tone ...lol
@@SonicDriveStudio ...I think it has to do with China being a communist country whose government is controlled by the CCP and is known for using slave labor and having a horrible human rights track record with human rights violations more so than the people of China or any of the quality control issues within factories that manufacturer products.
No matter what you do mate people will have their own opinions and every single one of them will be right. Take no notice of any of them just keep doing what you’re already doing. F#*k ‘em!
I appreciate what you're saying. It's all in good fun though so no worries
Not made in the US and they’re charging AUD3000 for these here in Australia.
No deal.
I tried one and didn't like it....maybe it wasn't up to volume, or maybe the cab they had it wired to was Crap. But of course everything on "here" sounds good, because it's super processed.....but it's not real world sound!
Nonsense, it's not "super processed"
Sounds great to me. 🤷
Who again said, you can´t dial in amps? 😅
I don't care what anybody says this amplifier is awesome
It sounded good to me in a mix but i didn't like it isolated.
Still prefer the Kraken but I certainly don't prefer it's price. Lol
almost got one for $1100ish