This movie broke Mark Hamills heart. And dragged his biggest legacy through the mud. It wasn't Luke. It was just a big middle finger from Ryan Johnson.
grnaskd To be fair, Rian put him in an awkward corner as he couldn’t really take the characters much further after TLJ. Not justifying RoS, but TLJ is a big part of blame on this.
K. Keith you took the words right out of my mouth bro. If JJ undid what Rian has done in TLJ then Disney should’ve just let JJ direct all 3 films, honestly.
Rómulo Figueroa JJ did have a plan, Rian decided to change everything midway through. Allegedly there were outlines of all 3 scripts, and Rian decided to completely rewrite the second one. Also JJ set up a lot of stuff for Rian, and he decided to work with... none of it, so I don’t feel sympathy for him. www.google.ca/amp/amp.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/271448/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script what I’m talking about.
It's funny because most of the complaints about these new movies could suit the old ones too. But not a single "fan" will make this comparison. Nostalgia is making people stupid. *Stupid high level elite guards?* Are you talking about stormtroopers or Snoke's guards? *A super powerful highlord villain sitting on a chair dies like shit? What about his story? WTF!* Are you talking about Palpatine or Snoke? *Holy shit, how on Earth can a poor trained person on the Force face a master lightsaber user?* Are you talking about Luke vs Vader or Rey vs Kylo? *OMG that character on a cool armor was so badass! Can't belive he's gone without any background! Trash movies* So, are you talking about Boba Fett or Phasma? and the list goes on
@OHGAS And by the way, stormtroopers are supposed to be the most well trained type of soldier in the galaxy. All the rest you talked is bullshit for the sake of your love for the old trilogy.
Please don't get me wrong, I love all Star Wars movies. But we all need to remember what they've always been: a cheesy epic space opera story that has it's flaws but it's worldbreaking beautiful.
@@pandamera1 yeah they're pure cancer they keep hating on each other if they call themselves Star Wars fans then why did they hate Star Wars they are not fans they are haters!
@@funnivamp55 I came out of the theatre and my friends all said it was amazing. I on the otherhand thought it sucked. There were so many things wrong with it and I was confused that all the reviews at the time were positive and stating it is possibly "the best Star Wars film". It was only a few days later when people started to criticise it. What redeeming qualities does it have besides having great special effects. I understand what Rian Johnson wanted but the execution of it was done poorly.
It’s true, the video is just shit and dumbass “deep” stuff. It destroyed the universe and characters. Now, if you feel like having a battle of crait, reply and I will write an essay about it.
For what it's worth I absolutely loved the film. I remember my parents showing me "A new hope" when I was six or seven and I had no idea what was going on I just remember what the film felt like to young me. And now, roughly 20 years later, I sat in the cinema and I got that same feeling again, something that didn't happen during the prequels or The Force Awakens and for that alone I love that film - to me it just felt like "Star Wars".
I know what you mean! I have a similar memory, that the original trilogy really changed my understanding of what a film could even be. This film had the same feeling to me!
@@gibberish1014 The Muppet Show is what did it for. "Hey Luke, who's your tailor? I love that robe!" "Oh no! It's Kylo Ren! Who?" "Did you really try to kill him?" "No I gurgled gershwin in his face. That was enough to make him hate me." "Impressive. Every word of that sentence was wrong." "Hey! I said something like that once!" "You did?" "Yeah, in The Great Muppet Caper. Also, your friend here kinda reminds me of one of my friends, Walter." "Is that a bad thing?" "Not really. It makes her more relatable to the long time fans." "Hey, by the way, where was he during your AB-" "Oh, please don't bring that show up! Ever since it suffered the same obnoxious reception as this film just talking about it gives me PTSD! Sheesh! You know Luke, I want believe that being willing to collab with Disney was worth it, but sometimes I think that it just caused people to suck the fun out our franchises." "Don't complain to me! You're the one who wanted us to sing When You Wish Upon a Star at the end of our episode!"
I completely agree with you about the "failure" message from The Last Jedi, but the "let the past die" line was not at all intended to be the message of the film. The quote literally came from the villain.
James Njonjo Nah, Rey took em. And Yoda wasn't saying to let the past die, bc he said there is nothing in the texts that Rey doesn't know. And Luke saying "I will not be the last Jedi" and it cutting to Rey is another factor
I took it as Kylo lying to himself with by repeating the mantra, in order to fool himself into believing it, when he really couldn't. He couldn't bring himself to fire on his mother when they force sensed each other, and after Luke's deception, kylo tried to grab his father's dice, to hold onto the past, but they vanished with Luke. Then he looked up to Rey from a position of vulnerability, kneeling, mind scrambling for words that never came, seemingly caught by her witnessing his hypocrisy. Beautiful ending, but then JJ came back and didn't have the smarts to continue on with these moments.
I didn't mind the flawed characters in The Last Jedi, I actually think turning Luke into the hermit he was is pretty clever- It was just the execution of it all that bothered me
@LEO2001 I thought Finn's arc was pretty good but the problem is that he was wasted, he deserved much better, Rey was fine but could've been better but i really like her arc until rise of skywalker totally destroyed it when they made her a palpatine, Kylo Ren was amazing as always and Luke was awesome IMO
@LEO2001 you have a point here but let's say this, Finn's arc in the force awakens was learning to stand up for himself and in the end he found people that he trusted that changed him into a better person, the only reason he save Rey is because she's his friend (could be wrong tho i usually think a lot more than i am right now but I'm too lazy)in the last Jedi he learned to care about everyone else but he's still wasted tho
@LEO2001 in force awakens his arc was learning to fight for himself and close friends, as he says at starkiller “I’m just here to get Rey” in last Jedi at the beginning he is just trying to leave so Rey comes back to a safe place, there is literally a deleted scene where Finn tells Poe that he isn’t part of the resistance, but then he sees Rose and he sees how others see him as a hero, at canto bite he has 2 people pulling him differnt ways, he has rose saying how bad thoes first order sellers are and the pain they cause then he has DJ?(is that his name) telling him that’s it’s all the same and don’t join like he was originally gonna do, and then at Crait he decides to sacrifice himself for the resistance but rose stops him to tie in what Poe learned that the resistance needs Live Leaders not dead heros
@@hilaryswan8866 Yoda only faltered on training Luke because he was performing a secret test of character. He needed to know that the man he was training was going to be committed and not prone to anger; Luke failed those tests, causing Yoda to waver on the offer.
Totally, the helmet, Vader cosplay inhibited Kylo's growth in a satisfactory direction, so RJ destroys it, then JJ is all, heeeeeeey you wrecked it! And puts it literally back together and back on his head
@@adamscott7354 Agreed, back on Kylo's head and reverse any character development achieved in the previous film. Instead he killed him, because it worked so well in the original trilogy. I shouldn't be surprised, I've seen what he's done with Star Trek.
@@adamscott7354The first two Trek movies were great but the last one... showed that JJ is not the guy you assign for the finale of a trilogy. The real question is how do you combine two very different directors' visions in a film series?
People invested questions in the character's past instead of their future because there's been a 30 years gap between the OT and the sequels. It's obvious they want to know what happened before going forward.
Abrams messed it up from the beginning by portraying Luke as a myth in TFA. No one becomes a myth in 30 years. Seventy years later, we still have the ability to look back on and remember the heroes of WWII. There is no way Luke becomes a myth in 30 years. And that's not the only Abrams f-up in TFA. That's why I have no hope for Episode IX and refuse to watch it. Abrams messed up Star Wars, and Johnson just threw it in the garbage. If Johnson wanted to change Star Wars so much, then he should've started an original IP and built his own world, his own characters, and his own franchise rather than completely ruin something that people have enjoyed for four decades. Mark Hamill tried to warn us.
I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories. I don't mind that he became a legend and I think it makes sense. Farmboy destroys the Empire's ultimate weapon kicking the whole Galactic Civil War into high gear, he then gains even more fame as a hero of the Rebellion and then ends the war by defeating the emperor and his dark enforcer. That, and probable New Republic propaganda hyping up the heroes of the former Rebel Alliance, sounds like a legend to me and probably would seem that way to most in the galaxy. And I will point to the past Star Wars properties that people didn't like at first, including; Star Wars V, KotOR II, and the Thrawn trilogy to some extent. There will always be new Star Wars for people. I am more afraid of IX feeling disjointed. I like TLJ more than TFA and it is not nearly as bad as Episode II and it's a good movie if you shed every expectation you have for it and your knowledge of the force from Legends. It bucked everyone's expectation. And you have to remember that these are all dumb, easy to understand kids movies, so why do we hold them to an impossible standard?
Isaac Engle "I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories." Luke wasn't called a legend in TFA; he was called a myth. Those are two different things. Yes, what Luke did as a part of the Rebel Alliance to topple the Emperor could conceivably become legend in a short period of time, but there is no possible way that it (or Luke) becomes a myth. A huge amount of time has to pass before something can become myth.
He calls himself a Legend in TLJ, but you are right about the Myth thing in TFA. But even then you could argue that Luke may not have even existed and there were probably those people who thought he was just some made up hero or someone masquerading as a Jedi to boost Alliance morale or recruitment. They also mentioned the Jedi being myths in New Hope so the galaxy probably has a very short memory. Like how we now have kids who don't remember 9/11 for example.
This is seriously the most asinine backward rationalization of a solipsistic and nihilist ‘story’ served up by an authoritarian narcissist. The movie is a dumpster fire of incoherence and insulting the intelligence of the audience. You reinforce why this movie is an abomination and you apologists are a sad joke.
Very inteligent movie, so bold, so full of nuances, so fresh. I LOVE what they do with Luke, he seems so human, so vunerable, and yet (and because of that) so much heroic in the end. He has a honorable death indeed, very touching. The film is not perfect, none of the OT is, but it has so memorable scenes and lines and charachters, that it has become one of my favourites in the saga, just after ESB. So much good could be said about this movie that it's completely out of my comprehension that it is getting SO MUCH hate. I think these things come with the internet era, and time, and new generations of fans will put it where it really belongs.
Yes yes so many times yes. Thank you. I left the theater exhilarated and so ready to see where this was going, not thinking I know where this is going.
Omg this is the video essay I've been wanting to write. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who saw these themes in TLJ, and this video was great. Thanks so much for making it!
Actually there are LOTS of UA-camrs who make wonderful videos on TLJ: Film Joy, Just Write, Shaun, Nerrel, Films, Films&Stuff, Make Stuff, Patrick Willens, Jenny Nicholson, Sthepan Krosecz, Movie Bob, Bobby Skulface, Star Wars Explained, Hello Greedo, AT-AT chat, EC Henry, Hishe and GeekyGlassesTV
The themes are good ideas but are poorly executed.The theme of failure is a great idea but the execution is terrible.The characters were forced around the theme.Themes were put above the characters
I saw TLJ about a week ago for the first time. I had already read and seen the spoilers so i didnt think i could have the movie ruined if I happened not to like it. But I actually think it was a very good movie. It has it's flaws, but so does every other SW movie. I think also seeing videos where people explain TLJ and point out it's strengths has made me realize what a great movie it is. I hope the cast and Rian Johnson dont feel let down because of all the negative criticism. I truly think Luke ended up as the hero i always imagined him to be. And the new characters now have so much room for potential and growth in the next movie...im excited to see what happens. but not making theories! i'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride! Anyway, great vid!!!
This is by far the greatest review of the Last Jedi I have seen on you tube. This reviewer totally gets it and I do believe that after episode IX the Last Jedi will be seen as a great Star Wars movie. I have seen it 4 times now and it gets better every time I see it. Time will have a positive effect in how this move is regarded.
+richard haynes - This is the "greatest" review for you because it's literally the only one that doesn't tear the movie to shreds. you shouldn't need time to improve the quality of a movie (whatever that even means). A movie should be great for the audiences that see it in a theater. Not for audiences 20 years from now.
Scott K This film is part of a series of 9 films. When the 9th film is in and made then the whole series and the context of Episode VIII can be reassessed.
+richard haynes - It *should* be part of a series of 9 films. But it's not. If this were really the 8th film in a series, it would have followed a cohesive story arc that was outlined before the film was ever even written. But that's not what happened. When Abrams handed the reins over to Johnson, Johnson decided to take the story in an entirely different direction from the original story Abrams had in mind. As made clear by the countless things from the force awakens that he decided to just abruptly do away with, and the fact that the theme of the movie was to "let the past die." Now control of the saga is going back to Abrams, who has to somehow un-fuck the saga by either transitioning back into the original story arc he had in mind, or by continuing in the *new* direction Johnson has taken it, and doing his best with someone else's vision. Either way, the 9th film is going to be written on the fly. In other words, thanks to Johnson (and partly to Abrams) this is no longer a coherent series. It's more like a game of telephone. Regardless of what happens in the next episode, the clusterfuck that johnson visited on the saga will always be a part of episode 8's legacy. No matter how well 9 is written, and no matter how well the story recovers, it will always be true that 8 was kind of a mess. *No film should need to be salvaged by it's sequel in order to be good.*
Great video. I loved the last Jedi, and it's good to see that there were other people who did, too. Was it perfect? No. But neither was the OT. There were things I disliked about it (canto bight and the Finn/rose romance come to mind), but its great moments far outweighed its weak ones, at least for me.
TimeandMonotony The problem are the huge plotholes. Most importantly, if they can use light-speed to weaponise ships, why haven‘t they done this before. Sure it makes kind of sense, but it just destroys every plot we had so far. Why destroy a death star with a well placed torpedo? Just shoot a ship into it. Why even build a death star? Wanna destroy a planet? Just shoot a ship into it. But this moment, that looked realy great btw. at least visually, would have been completely unneccesary if the pink haired general would just have told someone her plan, or just that she even has a plan.
Fizechef Made sense to me that it would be a last-ditch effort because I can only imagine how expensive those motherships must be. Why would you kamikaze that massive an investment of money, time and resources if you had literally any other option?
TimeandMonotony Yeah its just that first of all it doesn‘t have to be a complex ship. Just take a lumb of metal or even just an asteroid and build a engine onto it, use a droid as the pilot and you‘re good. (Why didn‘t they use a droid in the movie btw.). But more importantly how many ships and people have they lost during these battles in the OT. None of this would have taken place if weaponising light speed is a possibility. But this is just one of so many flaws the plot in TLJ has. Like I said, it‘s a visualy stunning movie and I enjoyed watching it, but if you think about it‘s plot you have to realize thats objectively TLJ is just not a good movie. Looking at its plot there are so many things that are just not explainable. Why didn‘t the pink haired admiral just said: „Yeah I have a plan, I don‘t have to tell you, but trust me everything will be fine if you just do what I say.“ Half of the movie would just fade out of existence. Why didn‘t the first order just warp one or two of their stardestroyers in front of the rebel ships instead of chasing them for 15 min? Why can a Ty-Fighter shoot through the shield of a massive ship if a stardestroyer can‘t? How did that hacker dude know about the escape plan with the small shuttles if even Finn and Poe had no idea what was going on? How did Finn and Rose get back to the base after Rose crashed both of their ships in front of like 15 ATATs? How did Leia and Ray learned to use the force? Leia got probably trained by Luke but that still can‘t explain how she can survive the vacuume of space. Ray on the other hand spend like 3 days with Luke. No way she can learn all of that in this small period of time when Anniken and Luke needed months of training. TFA wasn‘t the best star wars movie, but it set up many story points that could have been great. Rogue One was realy well written in my opinion, one of the best star wars movies, especially because they didn‘t fear to kill of main caracters. TLJ was from a stroy telling perspective just bad. Everything set up in 7 was just shown to be not important, no likable character you were able to identify with was ever at risk of loosing something. (I don‘t count Luke because he was basicly converted into an moron who wanted to kill his own family) They even introduced Rose, just to kill her at the end so that nobody important has to die. I don‘t mind change. I don‘t mind trying something new. But change has to serve a plot, and it didn‘t. The change in TLJ was just for the sake of change itself.
This video is amazing. You are so right. For me I think Last Jedi is the point we needed for a change in theme. I will say I was mad at first. But seeing the movie again about 5 times. I saw it for what it was a new look and a new story. Hard core fans. If you read this know that I too love Star Wars. But we needed a new start to the end. And Last Jedi did that. Let go of the past and look at what the future of the films will bring. (Thanks for reading..)
You are not alone... Rian Johnson had the balls to try and give Star Wars finally a new fresh direction. But that plague known as "hardcore Star Wars fans" went apeshit, then they brought back JJ Abrams who created episode 9 after reading twitter, youtube and reddit comments coming from those SW morons... and we ended up with something really poor. I swear the best thing that can happen to star wars is for that hardcore fanbase to go extinct. Time and again they claim they will abandon ship and every premiere there they are with their lightsabers only to go ahead and bitch endlessly. Seriously abandon the ship guys.
Endermaster2006 it I ain’t good if u said finally some agrees that something is good that means it was hard to find someone that actually likes this bad movie that ain’t good it’s bad and the new one is worse
@elwingy we found Rians burner account. The Last Jedi was a disaster. Rise of Skywalker was bleh but it at least was enjoyable to watch. TLJ was terrible and uninteresting to watch.
When I walked out of the theatre I was conflicted cause I wanted to like it but I just didn’t, I liked some parts but there are more things I just didn’t like
Crisp Man years after it came out even I’m still unsure of what to really say, it was Good but also had some bad moments to some extent, and overall felt like one of the more Balanced Star Wars movies. What really dragged it down a peg from being one of my favorites was the Comedy, Admiral Holdo, and the Ship chase, Cause in all honesty when compared to Empire Strikes back the Millenium Falcon space chase was fast paced, intense with an iconic score, and the Last Jedi’s chase in general just felt slower.
Gabriel Mutombo yeah I’d hardly call The Last Jedi one of the worst movies ever, even if it did a lot of things wrong, it did things right too. And Keep in mind most of the Fans calling it the worst movie ever are the same Fans who called Return of the Jedi and the Prequels the worst movies ever, so their thoughts aren’t really something to take note of. Especially when they throw around bold claims like “Star Wars is Dead,” or how much it ruined their childhoods. Those remarks just seem over exaggerated at this point in time. Then you have Channels that dedicate themselves to trashing Disney with everything they do, which is not really the best way to go about it, instead of spreading hate for something their needs to be a fair amount of praise as well, but with those channels it just feels like they look more on the Negative side than Positive, but that’s just my opinion.
Gabriel Mutombo Thanks, it’s only until years after it’s release that I gave it a chance again, and it wasn’t as bad as I remembered, not Great, but not the Worst. If we are talking worst Star Wars that goes to the Holiday Special 😂
Okay okay. Luke giving up and Yoda and Obi wan giving up are not the same. At all. Obi wan and Yoda actually lost. They tried to stop emperor and anakin and failed. They had a whole galactic empire hunting them down trying to kill them. They didn’t give up. They were biding time for luke, who they believed to be the chosen one. (As we know it was always anakin). Luke on the other hand, thought about killing Kylo because he might be bad. I’m not mad Luke went into hiding because he failed. He did fail. But he would never think of killing Kylo. He would try to save him. He never gave up on his father and he would never give up on his nephew. Like giving up, didn’t have a whole galaxy looking for him. Because until episode 7, the new republic was the governing force of the galaxy
Yoda: "Into exile I must go. Failed I have". "I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience". "He is too old". Doesn't sound like a man biding his time to teach this exact boy when the time came.Obi Wan, I agree, but not Yoda. And Luke thought of killing him for a SPLIT SECOND. I can't blame him, after the hell of darth vader, seeing the potential for another would be maddening. Reminds me of Mace Windu's intent to kill the emperor, which was far more purposeful an attack. And he said in the movie "you don't need me", which makes me think he didn't give up on Kylo, but that his belief was the jedi shouldn't be involved
Yoda on the ship when Padme gives birth: "Until the time is right, disappear we will." UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT. Go back and watch ROTS, near the very end of the movie. It's PERFECTLY clear. Kenobi goes into hiding to watch over Luke, Yoda goes into hiding to assure there is a Grandmaster to train a new hope (pun intended) WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. Kenobi and Yoda fail but don't betray their convictions. They don't even fail because of their convictions, but because they're powerless to stop Vader and Palpatine. BIG difference. And all that after A THOUSAND YEARS of peace in the galaxy under the protection of the Jedi. Failure? I'll take that "failure" any time of the day... Luke, or this "Luke" in TLJ, thinks the Jedi must end, because of their "failure"... Pretty narrow view, don't you think? And let's for a moment consider this to be accurate. When did the Sith, or whatever these new guys call themselves now, say they should end? Makes no sense. No sense at all. No Jedi would think of MURDERING SOMEONE IN THEIR SLEEP. Even for a split second. A Jedi Grandmaster, responsible for the Order? No way Jose. I just wish people would stop making excuses for a VERY poor choice of plot. It makes no sense at all for anyone into the mythos of Star Wars.
Paulo Gomes Which doesn't explain Yoda's hesitancy to train Luke when he finally arrived, even though he clearly knew exactly who he was. There is a contradiction in intent in Yoda's purpose And what does Luke have the power to do by himself as the only jedi master in the galaxy against Snoke and Kylo? How is that a big difference? And Obi Wan at least had a hope in Luke so something to drive purpose, Luke has NO ONE at all. All his students are dead and he doesn't have a child of a force using legend to train in the future, so he has no reason o hold onto hope as Obi Wan did And no Jedi would murder a BEATEN FOE with NO WEAPON, even for a split second, especially since it's "not the jedi way", yet one of the most senior Jedi did. Because they are still human and beliefs/convictions are not always so easy to hold onto when your actions to the contrary could potentially stop a spread of darkness through the whole galaxy. Imagine if mace did kill pal. Would have been far more peace, but would have been built on a murder. Liking the movie isn't "Making excuses for it", I wish more people enjoyed it so I like pointing out contrary points to the grips people have (most I see as unreasonable and narrow minded). I liked the movie and am happy I did. You disliked the movie and are unhappy you didn't. Why exactly do I need to "make excuses"? More than one perspective exists besides your own, I wish most star wars fans arguing over this movie would realise this
Sometimes in life you don’t make the best decisions, even. If it’s for a split Second. That’s what Luke did and it tore him down because he failed HIMSELF. Sometimes failing yourself is harder to live with than failing others.
I think the title of this video isn’t saying that if you don’t like The Last Jedi you are wrong, I think what he means is that people have a wrong understanding of Johnson’s purpose in creating this film and the various character arcs present in it. I by no means believe he ment to say if you didn’t like the film, your wrong but I would say the title is a bit misleading.
But all his commentary is based on false premises: 1. The movie needs to change, or it will become irrelevant. It seems the guy never heard of Joseph Campbell, or how the Star Wars movie is based on universal themes that have concerned humanity for thousands of years. 2. That Rian Johnson's script or writing is filled with nuance. I'll address this later in more detail, but to put it simply: there is little to no nuance in the film, it's why people are so upset. Take the death of Skywalker at the end, okay, kill him if you want, but what force of nature actually led him to die? How does it work? The typical answer: "It doesn't matter." 3. That change, on it's own merit, doesn't need to be as good or better than what it's challenging: This is the primary problem with The Last Jedi. The fact is that Star Wars isn't just movies, it's an entire universe, filled with video games, multiple people telling stories within that universe, that address all sorts of themes. It's a universe that inherently flexible to storytelling. In other words, Star Wars have never been lacking for those interested in experimenting. Yet, It's also this universe that is being rejected in Last Jedi, which is why it's wrong to say Rian is just trying to do something new. Rian's desire to go in a different direction, doesn't stem from a desire to tell a new set of stories in the Star War saga, but rather not to operate within the confines of a universe that the fans have created over the years, a confine that even George Lucas the creator of the universe had to abide by. Hell, as many critics have rightfully pointed out, in Rian's Star Wars, gravity seems to have a nature of it's own. The Last Jedi as opposed to the other 7 movies, is a shift away from classic and universal themes, to moreso postmodern themes that the movie seeks to address (solely). In the classic universe, there are laws, universal truths, purpose etc, in the postmodern one, all that matters is telling one's "own" story, and doing whatever you like. In the classic world, there is logic, there are rules that you have to abide by or else, reality will reward you with consequences (i.e. getting a lost arm, going against a trained and powerful SITH). In the postmodern world, there are no rules, meaning doesn't really exist, the world is incoherent and anything goes...you know, just help the less fortunate and oppressed, and life will be wonderful. The primary criticism of the Last Jedi is very simple, and has little to do with Rian wanting to change the direction of the franchise, but rather Rian's inability to create a coherent argument as to the reason why in the midst of a film that is indeed a visual masterpiece. As is typical with postmodernist arguments, they are convincing only in the realm of deconstruction, but fail epicly in the realm of construction. Unfortunately, the Last Jedi is a prime example of the failure to make a good film worthy of replacing or even being part of the Star Wars legacy.
No. Everything I wrote is fact. This movie sucks and was nothing but a social engineering propaganda piece and only idiot millennials or SJWs cant see that. But then again, they like to be told what to do. They cant think for themselves.
4:20 Except Luke is very different from these characters. His passion and heart is exactly what made him not give up. Yoda has always been a little distant from people, that's what happens when you live for so long and see so many die. But he is characterized that way to have lost some of his empathy towards people. And actually this is a misinterpretation of Obi Wan's character. He never gave up but unlike Luke is not stubborn. He found a new purpose. He was going to protect Luke so he could eventually have him fight Vader. He didn't give up on the world, but rather gave up on the life he led before in hopes of achieving the ultimate good. But Luke... his defining trait was not giving up. He wouldn't give up even if he should've. That's what made him a compelling character originally. He's flawed, he always has been. I just don't like that the movie made him flawed in ways that contradict a previous characterization. How much more powerful would a broken Luke be if he had fallen in a way that we didn't expect but can clearly understand. That is more heartbreaking. That is sad. Forcing us to suspend our disbelief for a complete character 180 is not as compelling because we are taken out of the story to think but... This doesn't line up with the character's previous mentality. I understand what you're saying... Flaws and failure, people didn't like it because Luke wasn't all powerful. That's not why I don't like it. He could've been just as powerful as any other Jedi... Just don't completely change the character. Don't have him considering killing Ben because he saw a vision of the possibility of him killing people. I think a much more compelling way is to have Luke see the vision and treat Ben differently. He can become overprotective out of fear of losing Ben to the dark side and like many before him overcompensate for the vision they saw and in doing so force that situation to happen. Because now Ben feels like he's already done something wrong like he's already a monster. This could be a compelling motivation as to why Kylo wants to be on the dark side so bad. If everyone sees me as a bad guy why not just become the bad guy (assisted by Snoke's manipulation). All this to say, Luke would not give up, not like he did in this movie. I'm fine with Luke failing that can be a powerful message about heroes not being infallible, I get it. But let the hero fail in ways that the audience can follow. This makes the heroes fall more devastating because not only did it happen but the mistakes made were understandable, human. They make him feel more well rounded as a consequence, not different. Because seeing this non Luke character in the gutter is a problem because I don't feel like this is Luke anyway. But seeing Luke in the gutter seeing our hero fall so far but still retaining elements of Luke and the motivation of Luke is much sadder. Seeing someone in pain is sad seeing someone you care about in pain is heartbreaking.
the reason you couldn't put it into words is because you're an idiot. this is consistent with you agreeing with him, because that also makes you an idiot
You have come a long way since your earlier work in this video. Mainly manifested in the tone and quality of you voice. Well done! Good points on this episode. I have gone on to like TLJ more than I originally did; especially in light of where episode IX went.
Well, he probably didn't look exactly at the weapon the person he was trying to kill for decades was holding. Also it could've been just a different blue lightsaber. Why would he question it? Why would he care what Luke's lightsaber looks like?
Maximilian Brückner He wanted the lightsaber pretty badly too, as he tried to grab it in TFA and TLJ. It’s a recognizable weapon, and I bet he expected Luke to use his green saber.
@@professorthox4499 Well yeah it would've made more sense if they just went with the green one. But it still is possible that he didn't recognize it from a few feet away. Because when he was fighting Finn and Rey, he saw the handle up close. Here Kylo was even angrier and he didn't actually have a great chance to look at its detail. Also it's just another thing to let the audience know something isn't right.
A detail would be him making no marks on the salt. But as far as Rian Johnson is concerned, Kylo noticed the saber change. I believe he said Luke did it to enrage Kylo, so he did notice. But if this doesn’t make Kylo suspicious, then that doesn’t make for a good villain. Incompetent villains don’t pose a threat, and Kylo keeps on hampering the First Order.
That's what happens when you're full of rage.. you begin to lose focus to the point you missed one pretty obvious (could've been misled) clue to Luke's projection
You didn't get the movie you expected. You didn't get the trilogy you expected. You didn't get the ending you expected. You didn't get the satisfaction you expected. So what? You don't always get what you want. We should appreciate the effort put into this trilogy. We grew up on star wars and people tried to revive it for a new generation! My seven year old brother is obsessed with Kylo Ren and I was with Vader. I hated the last Jedi at first I'll admit but once I got to watch it without wondering what to expect I realized I loved it. Aside from Rose's character the movie is actually great. Let's be thankful we got a trilogy.
I loved the last Jedi, and I am a big Star Wars fan. I honestly think the last Jedi portrays the force in an amazing way that some people just can’t accept. Those people need to watch the episodes again and listen to how the force is described in many episodes.
I agree, and I also like the way the Force was portrayed in Rebels. I hope he (Johnson) fufills his SW Trilogy. Would love to see where else he takes it to.
Appreciate your points of view, thanks for sharing them. However, I cannot agree with a few points: "fans..fail to recognize the importance of fallable characters..." I don't think the director recognizes it either. The character Rey, so far, IS INfalliable. She's made no mistakes, faced no real adversity (the red guards don't really count as personal adversity, imo). She's made no real mis-steps. "too reliant on callbacks and nostalgia".... Yet, in TLJ, there are several instances of mouse droids. BB8 even disguises himself as a box and hums the mouse droid sound effects. The throne room scene is replicated. Luke, sacrifices hismself as a diversion so his friends can escape - this is exactly what obi-wan did in a new hope. Luke fades away to become one with the force, like Obi-wan and yoda. The chosen one trope? This wasn't a trope until the PT, and was resolved. It's not a trope. The trope really is: force sensitives are born throughout the galaxy in the star wars universe; examples such as all the jedi and padawans in the PT, Ahsoka, Maul, Ventress, Kanan, Ezra, Obi-wan. None of them are skywalker bloodline, yet all are force users, some quite powerful. While there is some new and exciting things in the TLJ, much of what you hightlight as things the director is arguing against - he uses in his movie. The callbacks are choices made by the directors and disney to a.) sell familiar, successful merchandise back to the audience, and b.) because the directors and Disney don't trust the audience to receive something "new". the audience has not been given a chance to consume something "new". Audience/fans are tired of seeing the same old, same old (mouse droids, wilhelm screams, I have a bad feeling about this...). They want something new. This can be achieved without bringing our heroes back just to kill them in the name of progress, with no substance to their "contributions" on screen. But again, your view is well thought out - and I appreciate the effort you put in to sharing it - thanks! Cheers!
Rey faces abandonment issues and struggles with her identity. She doesn't know how shit fits in the universe since she grew up without loving parents, without heritage, without anything but a life of scavenging. Her glaring mistakes are searching for parents in everyone she meets. She immediately saw Han as a father figure, and then lost him. She immediately saw Luke as her chance for a mentor and direction, but he fiercely rejected her. She wants others to tell her what to do rather than forge her own destiny. Nothing is worse than not knowing who you are. The throne room scene is replicated? Where? Be specific.
New Mexico Sabers well said. And, wow: Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies, almost shot for shot! And he stole so much more, he plagiarized and stole scenes and setups from so many different sources and passed it off as originally his own. Lmfao. He's a hack and it was a hack job movie. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...don't all these folks know?
@@baconjam5815 You claim their "struggles" but it doesn't seem to take ANY burden for her throughout the films. She seems to be doing fine being able to pilot like Anakin and if not better than him, being able to lift tons of boulders around her without breaking a sweat in just a couple of days after learning she can use the force, she's never trained to use a lightsaber, yet somehow was able to defeat the most elite troops of The First Order. She seems like she does everything with ease and doesn't let her so called "struggles" get in the way. Surprised she didn't magically scream and somehow kill Snoke herself lmao. Want to know a well-written character with struggles? Look into the story of Anakin Skywalker. Especially, in TCW. Btw, the throne scene is replicated with the only throne scene in the franchise that's in Return of The Jedi. Fucking moron.
Tide pods to be fair, Rey could barely hold her own against even one of the guards. Kylo was the one doing all the work in that scene, fighting 5ish at once while she struggled to keep one at bay
The ending is a lot like the Clint Eastwood movie Grand Torino. Luke has ascended to a higher spiritual level. He doesn’t need to fight in the conventional way anymore.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 out of fear. In Ep6 as Luke chopped off Vader's hand he embraced the dark side for the first time. As he felt the darkness in Ben, he was overwhelmed by his fear 'and fear is the way to the dark side' so he instinctivly ignited his lightsaber. Ben, awakening to his Master with his Lightsaber activated above him, reacted with a single hit and Luke blocked it. _He didnt attack. (As portrayed in Kylos Version of the Past) Luke was afraid of the Darkness in Ben and Ben attacked him_ Atleast now this makes sense, as Palpatine was playing Luke the whole time.. Ep9 maybe was not at all bad, It made the Trilogy a whole again.
I didnt like this movie at first... Mostly because i work backshift and went to see it 10 hours after my shift with no sleep, so i kept falling asleep in the theatre, and i missed a lot of it so i kinda just got mad and didnt bother to see it again. A few days ago i finally did get to sit down and watch it again fully, and i 100 percent agree with this video. I love the movie.
LitGitness this is one of those odd films that get better the more you watch it. It looks pretty crappy on the surface, but underneath it’s very interesting.
Yeah, Rian's style takes patience. I'm noticing all these connections to the preqs especially Phantom Menace. Mauler and Critique of Last Jedi: Rose Finn and Does Canto Make Any Sense At All? Star Wars Analyzed ua-cam.com/video/5ECcwj5nk6g/v-deo.html Even the way Snoke is killed - midsection IS LIKE Darth Maul. LOL. Amazing.
UA-cam is full of alt-right douchebags and overly dramatic fanboys, which explains all the videos griping about the film. But honestly, Last Jedi is amazing.
You, somehow and incredibly, expressed every feeling I have of this movie. I think it's brilliant. I truly love THE LAST JEDI. It's easily my second favorite film of the series.
The Last Jedi is a great movie!!! It is unique in its own way and Ryan did what he wanted which is great! I loved Luke’s death as he ended where he began looking towards the horizon. Change is inevitable, even Luke the most powerful Jedi in canon can abandon the Jedi and possibly have some dark side in him.
Watch the originals and maybe you would see why its stuiped Luke would cut himself off from the force and think about how stuiped it is the most powerful jedi or force user ever died using the force and obi wan had all his friends die his master die his apprentice try and kill him and then turn into a sith and he still trained Luke Luke didint kill darth vader he tried to turn him to the light why would he try and kill his nephew who in the rise of skywalker turned to the light Luke must have knowen that
@@MuhammadAli-tj8no Luke's arc is subjective, that's what star wars fanboys don't understand Both sides have good points But of course you haven't heard of an opinion
@@Whateveridksomething what do you mean lukes arc is subjective i might even have believed that Luke would do that if there was actually a good reason but no the sequels didint want that and everyone can have a opinion but when almost everyone who likes Star Wars including Mark Hamil doesn't agree with lukes story arch in the sequels you have to face the facts it make no sense and is stupid so even though there can be opinions there can also be facts and that lukes story arch makes no sense is a fact oh and also Luke was the son of the chosen one and he had been able to live with out losing both arms and legs so he should not have died by using the force
The comment section is proof that star wars nerds don’t understand the very thing they’re obsessed with. Crazy how you can be that emotional about it and yet fail to comprehend it entirely.
"Suck it up"? I don't think the origins of Snoke were the most important thing to address with this movie; the movie was meant to be about development of the protagonist (s). But yes, the origin of the most powerful force user in the Galaxy, the person who turned the tables from the New Republic to the First Order, is still INCREDIBLY important to the story. Snoke means nothing now. He was a waste of time in development. If they had left him out it would have made a better story because the conflict of the dark side within Kylo would have been his own, that of a child trying to find his own way, therefore an important part of his early development as a character. By writing off such a potentially deep character like they did, they effectively gave a giant middle finger to any of the fans who cared enough to theorize about him, who he was, where he came from, and what role he had left to play. I understand the desire to be unpredictable, but now what? Who's the real villain anymore? Kylo and Rei are at odds again, but if they leave Kylo as the villain until he dies they once again are throwing away the character with the greatest potential for development.
@@paulwalker3758 we knew he was the supreme antagonist who was finally brought to a head in the final movie of the trilogy. We were given him as the absolute evil in the galaxy which allowed us to see that Vader was not the main villain here. He was given a chance to be something better. The difference is where the death of Snoke and the death of Palpatine came in the 2 trilogies. Snoke was presented to be the new Palpatine in every way, until they said, "No, now it's Kylo."
Steven Oliver so, you’d have preferred a carbon repeat of Return of the Jedi? TLJ gave two options: we see what could have been as a Skywalker becomes ruler of the Galaxy. Or we see a Skywalker who is ruler realising it’s not what he wanted and his ambitions had all been wrong. Instead TROS said, here, have ANOTHER Palpetine to kill in the finale.
While watching this video I got the idea you were talking about the episode 8 I was hoping for, before I went to go see it. I left the theater extremely disappointed and I think this is indeed because of expectations but that doesn't change the fact that I was disappointed. The three trailers for the movie were without a doubt the best trailers I had ever seen and all the epic moments teased in the trailer were, at least to me, extremely underwhelming in the movie. They were either turned into a joke (Rey meets Luke), or were simply weird and laughable (Kylo blows up Leia only for her to fly back through space). I was excited to see why Luke was on the island and what he was up to only to find he was there to die. I was excited to see what Snoke would be up to only to see he died. I was excited to see how general Hux commands the first order to hunt down the rebellion only to see him turned into a joke as well. I hear many people saying the choices were subverting our expectations and sure, they did, but mainly because I was expecting something better. I can, however, see why someone would like this movie, but these are 'flaws' I can't look past. So if you enjoyed it: great! I wish I did too. I can't be excited for Episode 9 anymore because there's nothing left for me to be excited about. I don't care about Rey or any of the new characters and the old characters are mostly gone. The Mandalorian was epic though :)
Robin Brewer I did love the movie, in fact is one of my top three favourite Star Wars movies. Nonetheless I respect your opinion, you mentioned the reasons you didn’t like the movie and it’s understandable. You also were very civil about it and in no way you insulted anyone else’s opinions. It’s rare to see that nowadays from our fan base. I hope ROS is great!! PD. The Mandalorian indeed is epic!!
I won't go in to the details. I had a large number of mind and heart related issues "before" seeing it. People who hate it..are lost causes..don't listen to them. There for sure could have been some (changes)..improvements. But the Last Jedi..was "BEYOND FANTASTIC! I am still in shock.
If you’re used to something for 40 years you’re conditioned to that way think I used to hate the last Jedi but seeing it from a different point of view you learn to grow out of old ways of thinking
@@gustavhls5739 I think the movie had a message, but it just couldn't deliver it properly. Everyone complains about finn and rose's useless storyline and luke's behavior but I think that was done on purpose. I think the main message of the movie was that anyone can be special, you don't have to be of a powerful lineage to become strong with the force. That's why rey's parents are nobodies and that's what luke keeps saying to her, that the force does not belong to the jedi, that's why the kid force pulls the mop at the ending. The other message is that the older generation must be always respected and being younger and new and all does not mean you can do everything as you please ignoring the teachings and orders of more experienced people. That's why that whole imprudent scheme poe, finn and rose were doing was useless.Holdo and leia knew what they were doing but poe just wouldn't have it, he was reckless and that had consequences so he would learn. Now About luke, I sadly agree that his actions were quite out of character to me. BUT I understood it. His fame and power got to his head and he realized it afterwards, he told rey what happened. I wish people payed attention. He saw darkness in ben solo,the dark side was so tremendously powerful there that for a moment he did think of killing him. Contrary to other people, I actually think this humanized him a lot. It affected him pretty hard and made him want no part of that jedi order rules and ways bullshit anymore. And yoda helped him realize that he was right, it didn't matter that much, rey already had what it takes. So in the end luke did help the resitance, but maintaining his decisions. I think the problem was the way these ideas were presented. That shot of luke activating the saber on bens room was unecessary and a few shots of rey actually training combat would make her proficiencies look less unrealistic. I really love that movie.
I do find it interesting that Finn and Rose’s mission utterly failed. But the fact is that hundreds of rebels were killed because of their failure to follow orders, but nobody cares because hey, they ’evolved as characters’. No further introspection or consequences. It just doesn’t work for me. Of course, the idea that the first order were only able to track the escaping ships because of DJs help is ridiculous to begin with.
We’re not wrong, we just have our own opinions. I’m glad for you that you enjoyed this movie! That’s your opinion and I love that you’re bold and brave enough to come onto the internet and say all this, I applaud you.
In my opinion, The Last Jedi is honestly so good and I feel a great deal of sympathy for Rian Johnson. Even if you take the fact that it's Star Wars away from it, Johnson literally made a well-made movie that he just gets hate for. I'm excited to see what he brings with his new trilogy, I really do believe in him.
Ofc anyone's opinion isn't fact, but the movie is objectively bad, it has so many flaws with ranging from lore inconsistencies and gaps, to plot holes, to character assissnations that is it impossible to defend. If this movie didn't have the Star Wars logo on it and was just some summer blockbuster then it would have been slated. I also don't count CGI, special effects and Cinematography, while good this just comes down to budget and if the movie had the paybook of Disney then they could easily do the same. In time this movie will be looked down just like the prequels were.
Is that why Yoda refused to train Luke at first? Because he was waiting for him to grow up? Obi-Wan convinced him to train him, Yoda was waiting to die...
@Tarik Rashada luke caused the rise of kylo ren and brough doom to the galaxy by being arrogant enough to think hat he, as impatient, untrained, flirting with the dakr side jedi would be able to flawlessly teach students. If you would have inadvertendly placed everything you, your friends , family and the galaxy fought for in mortal danger and ruined the sacrifice of your father. you too would go to an island hoping to die. Luke realzied that the creation of Jedi inadvertedly brings rise to new sith, so his logical conclusion,b very rightly is to let the jedi die to prevent powerful force users from being enabled to become champions of the darkside you clearly missed the messages and symbolism of the movie.
I knew I was going to like this video in the first 58 seconds. You are spot on. YT has constantly bombarded me with suggestions for videos tearing all new Star Wars movies down, and I have refused to watch them, so I specifically searched for a video like this. Thank you.
Best star wars channel around....love your videos. I was there in '77 as a 5 year old....and have been there ever since...i thoroughly endorse your message ;)
Maz Kanata ..asked "who's the girl" to Han ...screen cuts before Han answers ... when Kylo learns BB8 was helped by a Girl he goes ape shit like he might have some insight as to who Rey might be ....the mystery of Rey was set up in TFA fans didn't create it. Audiences don't care who she is what their looking for is an answer as to why Rey is supergirl ... what gives her such control over the force ...it took 3 years for Luke the son of the chosen one to lift a rock ... and Rey is moving mountains after 3 weeks
The thing is, Rian Johnson wanted to create his own idea of what the story should be when the beginning was already in place. He practically spat in the face of JJ Abrams because he completely threw much of what was already happening in the story out of the window. He decided that what JJ had set up did not matter compared to his own vision of what he wanted to do.
Agreed ,It's not about be different from original trilogy. It's about Rain Johnson did't care the things JJ set it up from TFA. TLJ ruined this trilogy.
Cloudkit the Mailman What in your mind did Rian Johnson throw out the window that JJ Abrams set up? You're assuming that the story was going to be a certain way after episode 7. Get over it and move forward, before the hate swells inside you.
The powerful ending moment of TFA became to be joke scene of TLJ ,where're the Knight of Ren, mystery of Snoke , and so on. A lot of things JJ built were threw away. Because this is a trilogy, why each episode doesn't blend in?
ธเนศ ศรีสุรภานนท์ just because he took the story in a direction that was unexpected and even potentially different from what jj had originally intended, it does not mean he spat in his face if disrespected his vision. Also keep in mind that jj was a producer and a writer , in some part, of this movie. The point of film, and art in general, is to allow people to express ideas through the medium as they see fit. I personally felt that rian Johnson used Star Wars as a platform to tell a beautiful story about personal discovery and understanding. Through this, this is the most artistic and purposeful Star Wars film there has been. It told a story that wasn't just a continuation of the story, like a soap opera or something, it was an actual piece of art that made statements.
Well said. The Last Jedi is a great movie in my book. Maybe even the best of the sequels. It goes places you don't expect, and each character is given a challenge to meet. There is no drama without conflict, and the Last Jedi provides plenty.
That was in no way a criticism of you. Just the people I have dealt with on this issue are so staunchly opposed to any dialogue, that I haven't even sent this link.
I agree, this video puts to words a lot of the feelings I've had about _The Last Jedi_ and points out a lot of great things that I had never though about before. I really enjoyed the film, I liked it because it wasn't predictable, more like if George R R Martin wrote it lol. And you hit the nail on the head, it's not fan fiction, it was written by story tellers. I think this will absolutely change some people's minds... if they're willing to view it with an open mind. I think they made TFA to show us how potentially boring it would be if they didn't change anything. haha. Excellent video, thanks!
I agree with everything you have said. I love this movie and can't believe some of these negative comments. In some of these other videos, not yours, there are some people complaining about the lead characters being women and minorities. We are in the 21st century and some of these people are pissed off that there aren't enough of the lead characters being male and white. WTF????
Watch mauler please. He made a reactionary video then deconstructed every second of this movie over 5 hours. This was a bad movie. If you don t believe me give it a try. mAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND US.
The great thing about having no background for Snoke is that it's open for anyone to fill in any way they like... or they can just leave it be. It doesn't matter.
It's Poe's personality. Remember when he saw Kylo for the first time, "who talks first, you talk first, I talk first?" Yeah, it was campy, but not worth getting upset about. The was the most complex and daring film to be done. Yeah, there are things I don't like about it, but that goes for every movie, and every SW movie. Alas, we all are entitled to our opinion. Hope you like IX better.
Kevin Lawrence i understand that this is in poes character. Leias flying scene is also defendable since she is a skywalker but this is supposed to be a tense moment where the resistance is at the brink of destruction. It just ruins that and that leia scene f.e. works in a comic or at rebels but is ridicolous to watch :( i was trying hard to love this, but its just bad
@@kevinlawrence2455 So we should give Jar Jar a pass because it's consistent in his character to be clumsy and stupid? The problem isn't the joke, but that it actually worked on Hux, which makes it really hard to take the Firs Order seriously.
I also thought that ending was the best.He didn't have to actually hurt anyone; just tick off the little plonker for long enough to get everyone out the back door!
You say Obi Wan gave up the whole jedi order was destroyed his padawan the chosen one was now a sith and he stayed on tattoween until Luke was old enough to train do not lie to get a point across
thanks for this, this is so beautifully stated, and I agree with every point you made. people's issue with the last jedi is more of a personal identity issue than a genuine objective outlook on the movie
aerosurferlv really? That seems a sweeping, blanket generalization. Eek. Lol. Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies almost shot for shot! And they stole so much more. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...didnt you know?
I liked TLJ fine but it does have objective leaps in logic and lacks explanations for in-movie rules. There's just a general lack of world-building and thought put into it. I guess how much you manage to like it depends on your ability and willingness to fill in the blanks. I completely understand why people don't like it. I managed to and I'm grateful for it but the "subversion" wasn't handled very elegantly. We could have done with more world building and less "deus ex machina".
You have no idea why people are mad. This movie is objectively bad storytelling. And there are freakin THESIS' ou there to prove it. Enjoy it if you want, but dont tell people its a personal issue. Its a writing issue.
I for one am not afraid of change,it's inevitable, it's necessary. Be that as it may,change was not my problem with TLJ. Lack of character development and not following through with any story previously set up in TFA. I honestly feel lukewarm throwing his light saber was a perfect metaphor for Ryan Johnsons storytelling abilities
Damia, sorry but killing off older characters to "pass the torch" is as contrived as your going to get! Rian should have shown some real balls and made Luke the Main Character in the Trilogy. Go against "Age makes one useless". He didn't obviously. It might have been wise had Disney gone into this Trilogy with the idea that the Prior Trilogy actually meant something and there was the Balance of the Force and the defeat of the Empire. The Old Characters, don't need to be defeated by the Dark Side or die by the deeds of the Dark Side, they actually defeated that in Return of the JEDI. BTW, ITS luke who is the Return of the Jedi, not Rey. Luke was the last of the Jedi. The Emperor was worried about Luke not because he was going to become a bum on an Island, but the fact that Luke had what it took to defeat the Sith.
dave d the thing is this is no longer luke's story. It is rey' and kylo's time to shine. That happened on the original trilogy as well when obi wan and yoda went from being main characters of the previous trilogy to being secondary that helped the main characters. Oh and luke didn't defeat the sith. Vader did. He was the one to kill himself and the emperor. Luke was the one to conflict vader's mind. I think you got the whole point wrong.
Ζαφειρης Χριστοφοριδης I didn't say Luke defeated the Sith rather he was the "Return of the Jedi" and obviously the Sith's defeat was caused by his actions with regards to Vader and turning him back. Also, to the point of something being "contrived" this didn't have to be Rey's story. That is contrived, and that was the point I was making. Also, what is Rey's character? To me, its something quite similar to a Mary Sue who barely trained. Its an empty character. I don't mind Star Wars going "forward" but not crapping on the Original Trilogy in the process.
dave d the movie's message is letting the past die or kill it if you have to. That's what they did they killed the past. It is reasonable to kill off some characters mainly because they are to old and some aren't even alive. I would to disagree with you. I do believe that rey is now the last jedi and she indeed is the protagonist.
Different doesn't mean good. Different can mean anything, and in the case of this movie the direction, writing and story were garbage at times. The sound, visuals and illogical choices in the film may be why some people think the movie is brilliant.
Different _doesn’t_ mean good, in this case it means brilliant. And the reason why isn’t the visuals (I preferred TFAs and Rogue One’s) it’s the film subverting expectations by setting Kylo up as the true villain, shooting down Reylo and the possibility of Kylo’s redemption, and establishing that Rey is not a Skywalker or a Kenobi and has to make her own place. Couple that with evolving Poe into a leader and Fin into a true believer (admittedly in a very clumsy way) and you’ve got probably the most important movie in this trilogy by a long shot, even if it ends up being the worst from a filmmaking perspective.
I completely agree with this. My beef is not with this part of the movie, it's the following: -killing off the main villain so unceremoniously, without talking about who or what he actually is. -creating an entire irrelevant subplot. -using that subplot to plothole your way into detecting STEALTH shuttles. -Hyping up someone's lineage to then say "yeah you came from nothing." -forcing a shitty romance that developed in less than 24 hours. -bringing Phasma back just to have her bitch slapped again.
Yeah i agree with pretty much all of that. Although, you should look at the Snoke dying scene again, because it too was probably the highlight of the film for me. It's great development for Kylo and it actually makes sense for how Snoke was able to be deceived. That being said, I wish they wouldnt have killed snoke because HE WAS SO FUCKING BADASS AND SCARY and now all we have is a (although definitely my favorite sequel character by far) bitchy teenage whiny asshole Kylo Ren as the big baddie. He just isnt intimidating as he keeps being beaten by an untrained "Mary Rey Sue"
Well, some points of yours are explained in this video, and while I agree with some, I can´t disagree more with some. What made the film so special is that it scraped our expectations. Only because the movie wasn´t what you expected doesn´t make it a bad movie. Reys parents being nobodies made it special in a certain way because it created the feeling that everybody can be special and that your parents aren´t deciding about your fate and Snoke getting killed off was unexpected and it really fucked all theories and while I wanted some explanation who he was I am sure it will be explained sometimes.
"What made the film so special is that it scraped our expectations." - This was the only reason the film will be memorable at all. Surely you do agree that just because it subverted our expectations does not make it a good film. It was a bad film for many reasons, and wouldn't have been as bad a film if the film didn't subvert our expectations unnecessarily often. Defying expectations appears silly after awhile because you start to second guess every tiny decision that is about to be made, just because it may turn around "unexpectedly." Also, being a Skywalker doesn't decide your fate, it just makes you a powerful force-user for some reason (probably genetic). I call to mind that just because Anakin and Luke were both Skywalkers, Luke was good and Anakin was evil, fairly different fates in my opinion. To emphasize my first point, a movie isn't immediately good because it subverts our expectations, it needs to have a strong and intriguing story as well, which The Last Jedi doesn't (except for the Kylo bits IMO).
Attiii Arghon Our comments are probably going to get deleted. I’ve not seen any critical comments being tolerated by this channel. He only wants those few who agree with his conclusions. He is wrong in his evidence based analysis. Yoda never burnt the ancient Jedi texts. We see them in a drawer on the Millennium Falcon when Finn opens it to get a blanket for Rose. Luke is never witnessed vanishing after his confrontation with Kylo, as they are too busy looking at Rey lift rocks. How does Luke’s legend build and inspire the galaxy? Well, you better hope that Kylo doesn’t execute all those on his side who saw him be made a fool of by his former Master, and that these First Order personnel get shore leave on Cantonica, so that the stable hands can somehow overhear their “stories”. No, this is a bloated chain of contrivances in which I identified 283 faults in my 53 hour analysis. That works out on average as more than two faults per minute. Many of these aren’t subjective takes. We have Holdo talk to Poe and her lips do not synchronise with her speech. That is an unquestionable fault. Subjectivity doesn’t enter into it.
@@TheArbiterOfTruth I also haven't watched EP9 but I personally thinks EP8 is the best movie made by Disney. And I like the resurrection of Star Wars under Disney.
This was dead on! And I'm a fan since '77. There were a few seconds of silliness in the casino, but other than that, I LOVED this movie. I hope this video helps as a counterpoint to the negative perspective that many have. Thank you!
I have to find these positive videos on occasion to remind me it isn't all whiney babies who call themselves Star Wars fans but put down anybody who loves a Star Wars movies.
Thank you so much for this video. I’ll never understand why so many so called ‘fans’ hate on TLJ. It’s literally a good movie and Rian Johnson did a good job here. I’m just glad I didn’t read too much Reddit or watch too much Mike Zeroh before the film came out. Unlike most of this fanbase.
Fortunately for fans like you and me Ryan Johnson understood Star Wars far better than 85% of it's fandom was ever capable of. So glad this movie is canon forever. Luke is such a nuanced and wonderful character because of Ryan.
When the new fan come. They can see 9 episodes as a whole. Just like current fan consider 6 episodes. Before that the old fan even hate I II & III. Give it time I guess.
To have a good essay, don't say that someone is wrong immediately. Just say that you like it and I'll decide if I see fit to change my opinion. Christ.
As a person who loved the movie, I was really surprised when I saw all the people hating the movie but at least now I can recognize who are true fans: fans that despite the fact that they didn’t like the movie continue to support the franchise and respect, despite all the flaws of the movie, Rian Johnson’s work
You wanna know why people hate these new movies? They're feminist propaganda. When creating the character of Rey, they threw away character development for a marysue. Not to mention Disney ruined the original characters. Why would you support a company that purposefully tries to make males look bad?
David K respect your opinion, however I think it’s a great film. Reinvents everything and transcends Star Wars to new heights, something movies are supposed to do. But that’s my opinion and I respect yours bud
@@chamlok1787 But those all involve other people who make their own choices. You can never have full control over another person, no matter how gifted you may be.
When I walked in the theatre to watch Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi for the first time, I thought it would be my last Star Wars movie. I felt bitter The Force Awakens played the saga too safe and was nostalgia filled leaving no room for original storytelling. Let alone I felt betrayed by Disney making every prior Star Wars book, game and comic non-canon and labeled them as "legends". That being said my first viewing of The Last Jedi was a meta experience. Luke was upset with the Jedi order just as I was with Disney. Then when Yoda confronted Luke it was a beautiful way of Yoda telling me to let go of the Legends. George Lucas himself never considered the books, comics and games as canon to his films in the first place. However, every Star Wars book, comic, movie, television show and streamed show on Disney+ related to Star Wars they create is and will be created canonical. And when Luke turned around from his anger towards the Jedi and learning from his mistakes, I too also turned around my hatred towards Disney into a deep appreciation and love for them. I felt welcomed back to the franchise and wanted to share with the fandom my love for The Last Jedi. When I expected support and similar feelings, I was treated with hostile negativity from the fans of Star Wars from the Social Media. I was private messaged and messaged publicly in Star Wars groups to "kill myself" for loving The Last Jedi or that I was stupid for my own subjective opinion. It turns out I wasn't the only one. The whole production team of Star Wars was bombarded with emotional, sexual and verbal abuse online for being involved in making the movie. This was from a number of "fans" online and in some cases they were aggressive to others in person regarding those involved and who enjoyed the film. I respect others for their subjective opinion in whether they loved or hated or felt in between regarding anything from the entertainment industry. However, I do not agree with the subjective opinion to exhibit hate on people directly for what they love. Needless to say, no matter how hostile people are for my opinion, Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi is my third favorite Star Wars film of all time.
I wasn't too happy with the movie at first, but after a second and third viewing after it's release, I began to see these exact things that made me appreciate it more. I also discovered that Rey being a nobody was the original plan for Luke. He was planned as a nobody so he could be relatable, but evolved to be Vader's son.
You don't love Luke because he's powerful. You love Luke because he's an actual person.
This movie broke Mark Hamills heart. And dragged his biggest legacy through the mud. It wasn't Luke. It was just a big middle finger from Ryan Johnson.
Haxwings ESO you sound like the whiny bitch to me 😂
@Haxwings ESO oh yeah Luke Skywalker was *so* upbeat in Empire and Return of the Jedi.
@@skeeverskeeyo7331 Mark was upset with it for a bit but he came to respect the character decision and then appreciate it, watch more interviews.
@Haxwings ESO Did you even watch the fucking movie at all?
"If Rey were a Palpatine, it'd be wish fulfillment in the extreme."
Oof
"Luckily Star Wars films aren't made by fan-fiction writers, they're made by actual storytellers"
Rise of Skywalker: "Hold my Beer"
grnaskd JJ looking around reddit for inspiration lmaooo
JJ sucks.
grnaskd To be fair, Rian put him in an awkward corner as he couldn’t really take the characters much further after TLJ. Not justifying RoS, but TLJ is a big part of blame on this.
K. Keith you took the words right out of my mouth bro. If JJ undid what Rian has done in TLJ then Disney should’ve just let JJ direct all 3 films, honestly.
Rómulo Figueroa JJ did have a plan, Rian decided to change everything midway through. Allegedly there were outlines of all 3 scripts, and Rian decided to completely rewrite the second one. Also JJ set up a lot of stuff for Rian, and he decided to work with... none of it, so I don’t feel sympathy for him.
www.google.ca/amp/amp.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/271448/star-wars-rian-johnson-scrapped-jj-abrams-episode-viii-script what I’m talking about.
"That Rey is a Palpatine or Skywalker would be a bad thing."
LOL.
Oh nooooooo
JJ Abrams: hold my beer
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
How about both
Yeah...
Remember that quote, " No one hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars Fans." That is being pushed to maximum with these new movies.
It's funny because most of the complaints about these new movies could suit the old ones too. But not a single "fan" will make this comparison. Nostalgia is making people stupid.
*Stupid high level elite guards?* Are you talking about stormtroopers or Snoke's guards?
*A super powerful highlord villain sitting on a chair dies like shit? What about his story? WTF!* Are you talking about Palpatine or Snoke?
*Holy shit, how on Earth can a poor trained person on the Force face a master lightsaber user?* Are you talking about Luke vs Vader or Rey vs Kylo?
*OMG that character on a cool armor was so badass! Can't belive he's gone without any background! Trash movies* So, are you talking about Boba Fett or Phasma?
and the list goes on
Another phrasing of your sentence: "only someone invested in a franchise cares if they think that franchise is becoming bad and openly criticizes it"
@OHGAS Thank you, you just proved my point. Nostalgia made you stupid.
@OHGAS And by the way, stormtroopers are supposed to be the most well trained type of soldier in the galaxy. All the rest you talked is bullshit for the sake of your love for the old trilogy.
Please don't get me wrong, I love all Star Wars movies. But we all need to remember what they've always been: a cheesy epic space opera story that has it's flaws but it's worldbreaking beautiful.
When I walked out of the theater I thought the movie was amazing. I was shocked to see that everyone hated it...
@@pandamera1 Ok, than Rey is better than Luke because yes. Right?
Same when i got out i have a really happy face but i am sad seeing hates in the movie especially the cancer Fanbase.
Same
@@pandamera1 yeah they're pure cancer they keep hating on each other if they call themselves Star Wars fans then why did they hate Star Wars they are not fans they are haters!
@@funnivamp55 I came out of the theatre and my friends all said it was amazing. I on the otherhand thought it sucked. There were so many things wrong with it and I was confused that all the reviews at the time were positive and stating it is possibly "the best Star Wars film". It was only a few days later when people started to criticise it.
What redeeming qualities does it have besides having great special effects. I understand what Rian Johnson wanted but the execution of it was done poorly.
"I was wrong."
- Luke, The Rise of Skywalker
The comment section is so salty we could very well be in crait
* licks finger * *SALT*
Heyyyyy I like to say something similar. “I haven’t seen this much salt since the Battle of Crait”
@Shonksu oh god...
@Shonksu 🤣🤣🤣
It’s true, the video is just shit and dumbass “deep” stuff. It destroyed the universe and characters. Now, if you feel like having a battle of crait, reply and I will write an essay about it.
For what it's worth I absolutely loved the film. I remember my parents showing me "A new hope" when I was six or seven and I had no idea what was going on I just remember what the film felt like to young me. And now, roughly 20 years later, I sat in the cinema and I got that same feeling again, something that didn't happen during the prequels or The Force Awakens and for that alone I love that film - to me it just felt like "Star Wars".
I know what you mean! I have a similar memory, that the original trilogy really changed my understanding of what a film could even be. This film had the same feeling to me!
Lightsabers got me into star wars. I was like 2 and toddlers are all about colors.
This was my experience as well...
@@gibberish1014 The Muppet Show is what did it for.
"Hey Luke, who's your tailor? I love that robe!"
"Oh no! It's Kylo Ren! Who?"
"Did you really try to kill him?" "No I gurgled gershwin in his face. That was enough to make him hate me."
"Impressive. Every word of that sentence was wrong." "Hey! I said something like that once!" "You did?" "Yeah, in The Great Muppet Caper. Also, your friend here kinda reminds me of one of my friends, Walter." "Is that a bad thing?" "Not really. It makes her more relatable to the long time fans." "Hey, by the way, where was he during your AB-" "Oh, please don't bring that show up! Ever since it suffered the same obnoxious reception as this film just talking about it gives me PTSD! Sheesh! You know Luke, I want believe that being willing to collab with Disney was worth it, but sometimes I think that it just caused people to suck the fun out our franchises." "Don't complain to me! You're the one who wanted us to sing When You Wish Upon a Star at the end of our episode!"
I enjoyed each trilogy for different reasons. But I wholeheartedly love Star Wars with all my being!
Me too
Same here.
@@ncrawford5673 happy 1 year anniversary of the rise of Skywalker
@@ryanbarth6691 happy 1 year anniversary to you too.
@@ncrawford5673 thanks
I completely agree with you about the "failure" message from The Last Jedi, but the "let the past die" line was not at all intended to be the message of the film. The quote literally came from the villain.
Yoda destroyed the jedi texts. Let the past die
Kylo Ren is my hero. He inspires me to chase my dreams.
James Njonjo Nah, Rey took em. And Yoda wasn't saying to let the past die, bc he said there is nothing in the texts that Rey doesn't know. And Luke saying "I will not be the last Jedi" and it cutting to Rey is another factor
And that means...?
I took it as Kylo lying to himself with by repeating the mantra, in order to fool himself into believing it, when he really couldn't. He couldn't bring himself to fire on his mother when they force sensed each other, and after Luke's deception, kylo tried to grab his father's dice, to hold onto the past, but they vanished with Luke. Then he looked up to Rey from a position of vulnerability, kneeling, mind scrambling for words that never came, seemingly caught by her witnessing his hypocrisy. Beautiful ending, but then JJ came back and didn't have the smarts to continue on with these moments.
"Circumstances change. People change"
Interest rates fluctuate...
Gave me a good laugh.
anyone else watching this after the rise of Skywalker
me
😔 JJ is a bitch
Kudos
Why?
@@yoshikagekira9012 he ruined the tlj by not continuing anything that rian did
Squarehead 333 your so right if “rise” is the ending then I’m just like y’all should have kept with Johnson’s path because this one is so messy bro!
I didn't mind the flawed characters in The Last Jedi, I actually think turning Luke into the hermit he was is pretty clever- It was just the execution of it all that bothered me
Me too i loved luke in this movie
@LEO2001 I thought Finn's arc was pretty good but the problem is that he was wasted, he deserved much better, Rey was fine but could've been better but i really like her arc until rise of skywalker totally destroyed it when they made her a palpatine, Kylo Ren was amazing as always and Luke was awesome IMO
@LEO2001 his arc in the force awakens is fighting for himself, in the last jedi it's fighting for others
@LEO2001 you have a point here but let's say this, Finn's arc in the force awakens was learning to stand up for himself and in the end he found people that he trusted that changed him into a better person, the only reason he save Rey is because she's his friend (could be wrong tho i usually think a lot more than i am right now but I'm too lazy)in the last Jedi he learned to care about everyone else but he's still wasted tho
@LEO2001 in force awakens his arc was learning to fight for himself and close friends, as he says at starkiller “I’m just here to get Rey” in last Jedi at the beginning he is just trying to leave so Rey comes back to a safe place, there is literally a deleted scene where Finn tells Poe that he isn’t part of the resistance, but then he sees Rose and he sees how others see him as a hero, at canto bite he has 2 people pulling him differnt ways, he has rose saying how bad thoes first order sellers are and the pain they cause then he has DJ?(is that his name) telling him that’s it’s all the same and don’t join like he was originally gonna do, and then at Crait he decides to sacrifice himself for the resistance but rose stops him to tie in what Poe learned that the resistance needs Live Leaders not dead heros
Obi Wan and Yoda didn’t “give up”. They waited, watched and guarded until the time was right.
yoda gave up he almost refused to train luke. Yoda literally said failed i have into exile i must go your so dumb
@@hilaryswan8866 Yoda only faltered on training Luke because he was performing a secret test of character. He needed to know that the man he was training was going to be committed and not prone to anger; Luke failed those tests, causing Yoda to waver on the offer.
@@KalibreSteelblast yoda fail stoping Palpatine and he didn’t want to train Luke, he wanted to train Leia so he also failed as the other mate said
This video reminds me how much TROS missed in terms of story and execution.
Totally, the helmet, Vader cosplay inhibited Kylo's growth in a satisfactory direction, so RJ destroys it, then JJ is all, heeeeeeey you wrecked it! And puts it literally back together and back on his head
@@adamscott7354 Agreed, back on Kylo's head and reverse any character development achieved in the previous film. Instead he killed him, because it worked so well in the original trilogy. I shouldn't be surprised, I've seen what he's done with Star Trek.
@@ebony6809 Well I actually like those first two I see your point though
@@adamscott7354The first two Trek movies were great but the last one... showed that JJ is not the guy you assign for the finale of a trilogy. The real question is how do you combine two very different directors' visions in a film series?
People invested questions in the character's past instead of their future because there's been a 30 years gap between the OT and the sequels. It's obvious they want to know what happened before going forward.
But that makes you a hater... apparently?
Abrams messed it up from the beginning by portraying Luke as a myth in TFA. No one becomes a myth in 30 years. Seventy years later, we still have the ability to look back on and remember the heroes of WWII. There is no way Luke becomes a myth in 30 years. And that's not the only Abrams f-up in TFA. That's why I have no hope for Episode IX and refuse to watch it. Abrams messed up Star Wars, and Johnson just threw it in the garbage. If Johnson wanted to change Star Wars so much, then he should've started an original IP and built his own world, his own characters, and his own franchise rather than completely ruin something that people have enjoyed for four decades. Mark Hamill tried to warn us.
I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories. I don't mind that he became a legend and I think it makes sense. Farmboy destroys the Empire's ultimate weapon kicking the whole Galactic Civil War into high gear, he then gains even more fame as a hero of the Rebellion and then ends the war by defeating the emperor and his dark enforcer. That, and probable New Republic propaganda hyping up the heroes of the former Rebel Alliance, sounds like a legend to me and probably would seem that way to most in the galaxy.
And I will point to the past Star Wars properties that people didn't like at first, including; Star Wars V, KotOR II, and the Thrawn trilogy to some extent. There will always be new Star Wars for people. I am more afraid of IX feeling disjointed.
I like TLJ more than TFA and it is not nearly as bad as Episode II and it's a good movie if you shed every expectation you have for it and your knowledge of the force from Legends. It bucked everyone's expectation. And you have to remember that these are all dumb, easy to understand kids movies, so why do we hold them to an impossible standard?
Isaac Engle
"I think that in a galaxy of trillions of beings with only a handful of people at most seeing Skywalker in the flesh would make him a legend by virtue of third hand stories."
Luke wasn't called a legend in TFA; he was called a myth. Those are two different things. Yes, what Luke did as a part of the Rebel Alliance to topple the Emperor could conceivably become legend in a short period of time, but there is no possible way that it (or Luke) becomes a myth. A huge amount of time has to pass before something can become myth.
He calls himself a Legend in TLJ, but you are right about the Myth thing in TFA. But even then you could argue that Luke may not have even existed and there were probably those people who thought he was just some made up hero or someone masquerading as a Jedi to boost Alliance morale or recruitment. They also mentioned the Jedi being myths in New Hope so the galaxy probably has a very short memory. Like how we now have kids who don't remember 9/11 for example.
By the way "defense" is spelled "defence" in the UK so stop hating on the thumbnail, lol.
This is the movie for the Star Wars intellectuals
David Allen good concepts poor execution
Don't worry - these basement dwelling morons can't deal with change.
This the Wind Waker of star wars
This is seriously the most asinine backward rationalization of a solipsistic and nihilist ‘story’ served up by an authoritarian narcissist. The movie is a dumpster fire of incoherence and insulting the intelligence of the audience. You reinforce why this movie is an abomination and you apologists are a sad joke.
Very inteligent movie, so bold, so full of nuances, so fresh. I LOVE what they do with Luke, he seems so human, so vunerable, and yet (and because of that) so much heroic in the end. He has a honorable death indeed, very touching. The film is not perfect, none of the OT is, but it has so memorable scenes and lines and charachters, that it has become one of my favourites in the saga, just after ESB. So much good could be said about this movie that it's completely out of my comprehension that it is getting SO MUCH hate. I think these things come with the internet era, and time, and new generations of fans will put it where it really belongs.
The internet is not why people hated this atrocious movie.
Yes yes so many times yes. Thank you. I left the theater exhilarated and so ready to see where this was going, not thinking I know where this is going.
Me too! And, what did you thought?
Did you like Episode IX?
I really disliked it
Unfortunately I did not...
Omg this is the video essay I've been wanting to write. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who saw these themes in TLJ, and this video was great. Thanks so much for making it!
Actually there are LOTS of UA-camrs who make wonderful videos on TLJ:
Film Joy, Just Write, Shaun, Nerrel, Films, Films&Stuff, Make Stuff, Patrick Willens, Jenny Nicholson, Sthepan Krosecz, Movie Bob, Bobby Skulface, Star Wars Explained, Hello Greedo, AT-AT chat, EC Henry, Hishe and GeekyGlassesTV
Fair, but at the time I posted this comment this video was the only one that addressed, specifically, the theme of the importance of failure
Themes? Cool, but that does not stop a film from being stupid. They needed to execute these themes well.
The themes are good ideas but are poorly executed.The theme of failure is a great idea but the execution is terrible.The characters were forced around the theme.Themes were put above the characters
@@hellothere4045 - EXACTLY
Watch this in 1.25 speed for a normal sounding voice.
For real, was this slowed down to make the video longer to justify more ads?? FFS
James no. He just talks slowly. Your comment is ludicrous.
Thanks, he talks very slowly.
I saw TLJ about a week ago for the first time. I had already read and seen the spoilers so i didnt think i could have the movie ruined if I happened not to like it. But I actually think it was a very good movie. It has it's flaws, but so does every other SW movie. I think also seeing videos where people explain TLJ and point out it's strengths has made me realize what a great movie it is. I hope the cast and Rian Johnson dont feel let down because of all the negative criticism. I truly think Luke ended up as the hero i always imagined him to be. And the new characters now have so much room for potential and growth in the next movie...im excited to see what happens. but not making theories! i'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride! Anyway, great vid!!!
I agree with your take on Rey's parents and I wish JJ did too. But we got the pandering episode 9...
This is by far the greatest review of the Last Jedi I have seen on you tube. This reviewer totally gets it and I do believe that after episode IX the Last Jedi will be seen as a great Star Wars movie. I have seen it 4 times now and it gets better every time I see it. Time will have a positive effect in how this move is regarded.
What ya smoking ?
+richard haynes - This is the "greatest" review for you because it's literally the only one that doesn't tear the movie to shreds. you shouldn't need time to improve the quality of a movie (whatever that even means). A movie should be great for the audiences that see it in a theater. Not for audiences 20 years from now.
Scott K This film is part of a series of 9 films. When the 9th film is in and made then the whole series and the context of Episode VIII can be reassessed.
Stev shaboba Not what you are..
+richard haynes - It *should* be part of a series of 9 films. But it's not.
If this were really the 8th film in a series, it would have followed a cohesive story arc that was outlined before the film was ever even written. But that's not what happened.
When Abrams handed the reins over to Johnson, Johnson decided to take the story in an entirely different direction from the original story Abrams had in mind. As made clear by the countless things from the force awakens that he decided to just abruptly do away with, and the fact that the theme of the movie was to "let the past die."
Now control of the saga is going back to Abrams, who has to somehow un-fuck the saga by either transitioning back into the original story arc he had in mind, or by continuing in the *new* direction Johnson has taken it, and doing his best with someone else's vision. Either way, the 9th film is going to be written on the fly.
In other words, thanks to Johnson (and partly to Abrams) this is no longer a coherent series. It's more like a game of telephone.
Regardless of what happens in the next episode, the clusterfuck that johnson visited on the saga will always be a part of episode 8's legacy. No matter how well 9 is written, and no matter how well the story recovers, it will always be true that 8 was kind of a mess. *No film should need to be salvaged by it's sequel in order to be good.*
Great video. I loved the last Jedi, and it's good to see that there were other people who did, too. Was it perfect? No. But neither was the OT. There were things I disliked about it (canto bight and the Finn/rose romance come to mind), but its great moments far outweighed its weak ones, at least for me.
Still doesn't change the fact that it's a shitty movie, and a disgrace to the Star Wars franchise.
TimeandMonotony The problem are the huge plotholes. Most importantly, if they can use light-speed to weaponise ships, why haven‘t they done this before. Sure it makes kind of sense, but it just destroys every plot we had so far. Why destroy a death star with a well placed torpedo? Just shoot a ship into it. Why even build a death star? Wanna destroy a planet? Just shoot a ship into it. But this moment, that looked realy great btw. at least visually, would have been completely unneccesary if the pink haired general would just have told someone her plan, or just that she even has a plan.
Fizechef Made sense to me that it would be a last-ditch effort because I can only imagine how expensive those motherships must be. Why would you kamikaze that massive an investment of money, time and resources if you had literally any other option?
Zylar Adama Your opinion doesn't change the fact that it's a great movie, and a shining example of star wars at its best. :)
TimeandMonotony Yeah its just that first of all it doesn‘t have to be a complex ship. Just take a lumb of metal or even just an asteroid and build a engine onto it, use a droid as the pilot and you‘re good. (Why didn‘t they use a droid in the movie btw.). But more importantly how many ships and people have they lost during these battles in the OT. None of this would have taken place if weaponising light speed is a possibility.
But this is just one of so many flaws the plot in TLJ has. Like I said, it‘s a visualy stunning movie and I enjoyed watching it, but if you think about it‘s plot you have to realize thats objectively TLJ is just not a good movie.
Looking at its plot there are so many things that are just not explainable. Why didn‘t the pink haired admiral just said: „Yeah I have a plan, I don‘t have to tell you, but trust me everything will be fine if you just do what I say.“
Half of the movie would just fade out of existence.
Why didn‘t the first order just warp one or two of their stardestroyers in front of the rebel ships instead of chasing them for 15 min?
Why can a Ty-Fighter shoot through the shield of a massive ship if a stardestroyer can‘t?
How did that hacker dude know about the escape plan with the small shuttles if even Finn and Poe had no idea what was going on?
How did Finn and Rose get back to the base after Rose crashed both of their ships in front of like 15 ATATs?
How did Leia and Ray learned to use the force? Leia got probably trained by Luke but that still can‘t explain how she can survive the vacuume of space. Ray on the other hand spend like 3 days with Luke. No way she can learn all of that in this small period of time when Anniken and Luke needed months of training.
TFA wasn‘t the best star wars movie, but it set up many story points that could have been great. Rogue One was realy well written in my opinion, one of the best star wars movies, especially because they didn‘t fear to kill of main caracters.
TLJ was from a stroy telling perspective just bad.
Everything set up in 7 was just shown to be not important, no likable character you were able to identify with was ever at risk of loosing something. (I don‘t count Luke because he was basicly converted into an moron who wanted to kill his own family)
They even introduced Rose, just to kill her at the end so that nobody important has to die.
I don‘t mind change. I don‘t mind trying something new. But change has to serve a plot, and it didn‘t.
The change in TLJ was just for the sake of change itself.
This video is amazing. You are so right. For me I think Last Jedi is the point we needed for a change in theme. I will say I was mad at first. But seeing the movie again about 5 times. I saw it for what it was a new look and a new story. Hard core fans. If you read this know that I too love Star Wars. But we needed a new start to the end. And Last Jedi did that. Let go of the past and look at what the future of the films will bring. (Thanks for reading..)
Themes are cool and all but it’s the execution of those themes that’s important
Luke is my hero, but I could never put into words how, this video explained it perfectly. Thank you 😊
Fallible characters? Rey could fart and destroy the 1st order.
Then why didn't she? Huh?
@@kylemorello4787 She had to be trained in the ways of the Force first before being able to do that, obviously.
OH WAIT
Finally someone agrees with me that this movie was good in my opinion
You are not alone... Rian Johnson had the balls to try and give Star Wars finally a new fresh direction. But that plague known as "hardcore Star Wars fans" went apeshit, then they brought back JJ Abrams who created episode 9 after reading twitter, youtube and reddit comments coming from those SW morons... and we ended up with something really poor. I swear the best thing that can happen to star wars is for that hardcore fanbase to go extinct. Time and again they claim they will abandon ship and every premiere there they are with their lightsabers only to go ahead and bitch endlessly. Seriously abandon the ship guys.
Endermaster2006 it I ain’t good if u said finally some agrees that something is good that means it was hard to find someone that actually likes this bad movie that ain’t good it’s bad and the new one is worse
@@jacoin3458 Reading your comment made my iq sink
@elwingy we found Rians burner account. The Last Jedi was a disaster. Rise of Skywalker was bleh but it at least was enjoyable to watch. TLJ was terrible and uninteresting to watch.
Of course after I make a comment haters ruin my opinion.
When I walked out of the theatre I was conflicted cause I wanted to like it but I just didn’t, I liked some parts but there are more things I just didn’t like
Crisp Man years after it came out even I’m still unsure of what to really say, it was Good but also had some bad moments to some extent, and overall felt like one of the more Balanced Star Wars movies.
What really dragged it down a peg from being one of my favorites was the Comedy, Admiral Holdo, and the Ship chase, Cause in all honesty when compared to Empire Strikes back the Millenium Falcon space chase was fast paced, intense with an iconic score, and the Last Jedi’s chase in general just felt slower.
It can be described has a bad good movie has in a good movie with bad things in it
Gabriel Mutombo yeah I’d hardly call The Last Jedi one of the worst movies ever, even if it did a lot of things wrong, it did things right too.
And Keep in mind most of the Fans calling it the worst movie ever are the same Fans who called Return of the Jedi and the Prequels the worst movies ever, so their thoughts aren’t really something to take note of.
Especially when they throw around bold claims like “Star Wars is Dead,” or how much it ruined their childhoods. Those remarks just seem over exaggerated at this point in time.
Then you have Channels that dedicate themselves to trashing Disney with everything they do, which is not really the best way to go about it, instead of spreading hate for something their needs to be a fair amount of praise as well, but with those channels it just feels like they look more on the Negative side than Positive, but that’s just my opinion.
@@Fi_Sci_ I agree with you 100% when I watched it on Netflix I didn't hate it or thought that it ruined star wars
Gabriel Mutombo Thanks, it’s only until years after it’s release that I gave it a chance again, and it wasn’t as bad as I remembered, not Great, but not the Worst. If we are talking worst Star Wars that goes to the Holiday Special 😂
Okay okay. Luke giving up and Yoda and Obi wan giving up are not the same. At all. Obi wan and Yoda actually lost. They tried to stop emperor and anakin and failed. They had a whole galactic empire hunting them down trying to kill them. They didn’t give up. They were biding time for luke, who they believed to be the chosen one. (As we know it was always anakin). Luke on the other hand, thought about killing Kylo because he might be bad. I’m not mad Luke went into hiding because he failed. He did fail. But he would never think of killing Kylo. He would try to save him. He never gave up on his father and he would never give up on his nephew. Like giving up, didn’t have a whole galaxy looking for him. Because until episode 7, the new republic was the governing force of the galaxy
Yoda: "Into exile I must go. Failed I have". "I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience". "He is too old". Doesn't sound like a man biding his time to teach this exact boy when the time came.Obi Wan, I agree, but not Yoda.
And Luke thought of killing him for a SPLIT SECOND. I can't blame him, after the hell of darth vader, seeing the potential for another would be maddening. Reminds me of Mace Windu's intent to kill the emperor, which was far more purposeful an attack.
And he said in the movie "you don't need me", which makes me think he didn't give up on Kylo, but that his belief was the jedi shouldn't be involved
Yoda on the ship when Padme gives birth: "Until the time is right, disappear we will." UNTIL THE TIME IS RIGHT. Go back and watch ROTS, near the very end of the movie. It's PERFECTLY clear. Kenobi goes into hiding to watch over Luke, Yoda goes into hiding to assure there is a Grandmaster to train a new hope (pun intended) WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.
Kenobi and Yoda fail but don't betray their convictions. They don't even fail because of their convictions, but because they're powerless to stop Vader and Palpatine. BIG difference. And all that after A THOUSAND YEARS of peace in the galaxy under the protection of the Jedi. Failure? I'll take that "failure" any time of the day...
Luke, or this "Luke" in TLJ, thinks the Jedi must end, because of their "failure"... Pretty narrow view, don't you think? And let's for a moment consider this to be accurate. When did the Sith, or whatever these new guys call themselves now, say they should end? Makes no sense. No sense at all.
No Jedi would think of MURDERING SOMEONE IN THEIR SLEEP. Even for a split second. A Jedi Grandmaster, responsible for the Order? No way Jose. I just wish people would stop making excuses for a VERY poor choice of plot. It makes no sense at all for anyone into the mythos of Star Wars.
Paulo Gomes Which doesn't explain Yoda's hesitancy to train Luke when he finally arrived, even though he clearly knew exactly who he was. There is a contradiction in intent in Yoda's purpose
And what does Luke have the power to do by himself as the only jedi master in the galaxy against Snoke and Kylo? How is that a big difference? And Obi Wan at least had a hope in Luke so something to drive purpose, Luke has NO ONE at all. All his students are dead and he doesn't have a child of a force using legend to train in the future, so he has no reason o hold onto hope as Obi Wan did
And no Jedi would murder a BEATEN FOE with NO WEAPON, even for a split second, especially since it's "not the jedi way", yet one of the most senior Jedi did. Because they are still human and beliefs/convictions are not always so easy to hold onto when your actions to the contrary could potentially stop a spread of darkness through the whole galaxy. Imagine if mace did kill pal. Would have been far more peace, but would have been built on a murder.
Liking the movie isn't "Making excuses for it", I wish more people enjoyed it so I like pointing out contrary points to the grips people have (most I see as unreasonable and narrow minded). I liked the movie and am happy I did. You disliked the movie and are unhappy you didn't. Why exactly do I need to "make excuses"? More than one perspective exists besides your own, I wish most star wars fans arguing over this movie would realise this
CodGob mace was the closest thing to a great Jedi. That’s why he would have killed the emperor.
Sometimes in life you don’t make the best decisions, even. If it’s for a split
Second. That’s what Luke did and it tore him down because he failed HIMSELF. Sometimes failing yourself is harder to live with than failing others.
I think the title of this video isn’t saying that if you don’t like The Last Jedi you are wrong, I think what he means is that people have a wrong understanding of Johnson’s purpose in creating this film and the various character arcs present in it. I by no means believe he ment to say if you didn’t like the film, your wrong but I would say the title is a bit misleading.
But all his commentary is based on false premises:
1. The movie needs to change, or it will become irrelevant. It seems the guy never heard of Joseph Campbell, or how the Star Wars movie is based on universal themes that have concerned humanity for thousands of years.
2. That Rian Johnson's script or writing is filled with nuance. I'll address this later in more detail, but to put it simply: there is little to no nuance in the film, it's why people are so upset. Take the death of Skywalker at the end, okay, kill him if you want, but what force of nature actually led him to die? How does it work? The typical answer: "It doesn't matter."
3. That change, on it's own merit, doesn't need to be as good or better than what it's challenging:
This is the primary problem with The Last Jedi.
The fact is that Star Wars isn't just movies, it's an entire universe, filled with video games, multiple people telling stories within that universe, that address all sorts of themes. It's a universe that inherently flexible to storytelling. In other words, Star Wars have never been lacking for those interested in experimenting. Yet, It's also this universe that is being rejected in Last Jedi, which is why it's wrong to say Rian is just trying to do something new.
Rian's desire to go in a different direction, doesn't stem from a desire to tell a new set of stories in the Star War saga, but rather not to operate within the confines of a universe that the fans have created over the years, a confine that even George Lucas the creator of the universe had to abide by. Hell, as many critics have rightfully pointed out, in Rian's Star Wars, gravity seems to have a nature of it's own.
The Last Jedi as opposed to the other 7 movies, is a shift away from classic and universal themes, to moreso postmodern themes that the movie seeks to address (solely). In the classic universe, there are laws, universal truths, purpose etc, in the postmodern one, all that matters is telling one's "own" story, and doing whatever you like. In the classic world, there is logic, there are rules that you have to abide by or else, reality will reward you with consequences (i.e. getting a lost arm, going against a trained and powerful SITH). In the postmodern world, there are no rules, meaning doesn't really exist, the world is incoherent and anything goes...you know, just help the less fortunate and oppressed, and life will be wonderful.
The primary criticism of the Last Jedi is very simple, and has little to do with Rian wanting to change the direction of the franchise, but rather Rian's inability to create a coherent argument as to the reason why in the midst of a film that is indeed a visual masterpiece. As is typical with postmodernist arguments, they are convincing only in the realm of deconstruction, but fail epicly in the realm of construction. Unfortunately, the Last Jedi is a prime example of the failure to make a good film worthy of replacing or even being part of the Star Wars legacy.
The movie was GARBAGE full of feminism and plot holes and SJW social engineering. No one is wrong. The movie sucks.
First Last *In your opininon
No. Everything I wrote is fact. This movie sucks and was nothing but a social engineering propaganda piece and only idiot millennials or SJWs cant see that. But then again, they like to be told what to do. They cant think for themselves.
Jevioso Orishas *deconstruction
4:20 Except Luke is very different from these characters. His passion and heart is exactly what made him not give up. Yoda has always been a little distant from people, that's what happens when you live for so long and see so many die. But he is characterized that way to have lost some of his empathy towards people. And actually this is a misinterpretation of Obi Wan's character. He never gave up but unlike Luke is not stubborn. He found a new purpose. He was going to protect Luke so he could eventually have him fight Vader. He didn't give up on the world, but rather gave up on the life he led before in hopes of achieving the ultimate good. But Luke... his defining trait was not giving up. He wouldn't give up even if he should've. That's what made him a compelling character originally. He's flawed, he always has been. I just don't like that the movie made him flawed in ways that contradict a previous characterization. How much more powerful would a broken Luke be if he had fallen in a way that we didn't expect but can clearly understand. That is more heartbreaking. That is sad. Forcing us to suspend our disbelief for a complete character 180 is not as compelling because we are taken out of the story to think but... This doesn't line up with the character's previous mentality. I understand what you're saying... Flaws and failure, people didn't like it because Luke wasn't all powerful. That's not why I don't like it. He could've been just as powerful as any other Jedi... Just don't completely change the character. Don't have him considering killing Ben because he saw a vision of the possibility of him killing people. I think a much more compelling way is to have Luke see the vision and treat Ben differently. He can become overprotective out of fear of losing Ben to the dark side and like many before him overcompensate for the vision they saw and in doing so force that situation to happen. Because now Ben feels like he's already done something wrong like he's already a monster. This could be a compelling motivation as to why Kylo wants to be on the dark side so bad. If everyone sees me as a bad guy why not just become the bad guy (assisted by Snoke's manipulation). All this to say, Luke would not give up, not like he did in this movie. I'm fine with Luke failing that can be a powerful message about heroes not being infallible, I get it. But let the hero fail in ways that the audience can follow. This makes the heroes fall more devastating because not only did it happen but the mistakes made were understandable, human. They make him feel more well rounded as a consequence, not different. Because seeing this non Luke character in the gutter is a problem because I don't feel like this is Luke anyway. But seeing Luke in the gutter seeing our hero fall so far but still retaining elements of Luke and the motivation of Luke is much sadder. Seeing someone in pain is sad seeing someone you care about in pain is heartbreaking.
What the franchise needed to survive?
This film took it down a cul de sac, dead end and buried it. Woeful and I'll never forgive those who allowed it.
Amen, Brother! You put into words what this 60+ YO man (who saw all of the SW's movies on first release) could not. Very well said. Thank you!
the reason you couldn't put it into words is because you're an idiot. this is consistent with you agreeing with him, because that also makes you an idiot
This video essay was fantastic! I'd really love to hear your thoughts on Rise of Skywalker, since it pretty much did a complete 180
Shonksu why do I sense we have picked up *another* pathetic life form?
This comment section has more salt in it than my friend after he had a heart attack.
Actually id say it was civil and low on salt by comparison to a YT TLJ bashfest
You have come a long way since your earlier work in this video. Mainly manifested in the tone and quality of you voice. Well done! Good points on this episode. I have gone on to like TLJ more than I originally did; especially in light of where episode IX went.
I love how Kylo Ren doesn’t question that Luke Skywalker is using Anakin’s lightsaber, the one that he and Rey tore in half.
Well, he probably didn't look exactly at the weapon the person he was trying to kill for decades was holding. Also it could've been just a different blue lightsaber. Why would he question it? Why would he care what Luke's lightsaber looks like?
Maximilian Brückner He wanted the lightsaber pretty badly too, as he tried to grab it in TFA and TLJ. It’s a recognizable weapon, and I bet he expected Luke to use his green saber.
@@professorthox4499 Well yeah it would've made more sense if they just went with the green one. But it still is possible that he didn't recognize it from a few feet away. Because when he was fighting Finn and Rey, he saw the handle up close. Here Kylo was even angrier and he didn't actually have a great chance to look at its detail. Also it's just another thing to let the audience know something isn't right.
A detail would be him making no marks on the salt. But as far as Rian Johnson is concerned, Kylo noticed the saber change. I believe he said Luke did it to enrage Kylo, so he did notice. But if this doesn’t make Kylo suspicious, then that doesn’t make for a good villain. Incompetent villains don’t pose a threat, and Kylo keeps on hampering the First Order.
That's what happens when you're full of rage.. you begin to lose focus to the point you missed one pretty obvious (could've been misled) clue to Luke's projection
NOTHING CAN RUIN THE CHRISTMAS SPECIAL!!!!!!
You didn't get the movie you expected. You didn't get the trilogy you expected. You didn't get the ending you expected. You didn't get the satisfaction you expected. So what? You don't always get what you want. We should appreciate the effort put into this trilogy. We grew up on star wars and people tried to revive it for a new generation! My seven year old brother is obsessed with Kylo Ren and I was with Vader. I hated the last Jedi at first I'll admit but once I got to watch it without wondering what to expect I realized I loved it. Aside from Rose's character the movie is actually great. Let's be thankful we got a trilogy.
I loved the last Jedi, and I am a big Star Wars fan. I honestly think the last Jedi portrays the force in an amazing way that some people just can’t accept. Those people need to watch the episodes again and listen to how the force is described in many episodes.
I agree, and I also like the way the Force was portrayed in Rebels. I hope he (Johnson) fufills his SW Trilogy. Would love to see where else he takes it to.
It was garbage
@@lilzachy1842 that's your opinion
-JØKER - ua-cam.com/video/f83D18xL7VE/v-deo.html that’s many people’s opinions it was the biggest load of shite ever
Garbage movie. TFA was good. Tlj was not
Appreciate your points of view, thanks for sharing them.
However, I cannot agree with a few points:
"fans..fail to recognize the importance of fallable characters..."
I don't think the director recognizes it either. The character Rey, so far, IS INfalliable. She's made no mistakes, faced no real adversity (the red guards don't really count as personal adversity, imo). She's made no real mis-steps.
"too reliant on callbacks and nostalgia"....
Yet, in TLJ, there are several instances of mouse droids. BB8 even disguises himself as a box and hums the mouse droid sound effects.
The throne room scene is replicated.
Luke, sacrifices hismself as a diversion so his friends can escape - this is exactly what obi-wan did in a new hope. Luke fades away to become one with the force, like Obi-wan and yoda.
The chosen one trope?
This wasn't a trope until the PT, and was resolved. It's not a trope. The trope really is: force sensitives are born throughout the galaxy in the star wars universe; examples such as all the jedi and padawans in the PT, Ahsoka, Maul, Ventress, Kanan, Ezra, Obi-wan. None of them are skywalker bloodline, yet all are force users, some quite powerful.
While there is some new and exciting things in the TLJ, much of what you hightlight as things the director is arguing against - he uses in his movie. The callbacks are choices made by the directors and disney to a.) sell familiar, successful merchandise back to the audience, and b.) because the directors and Disney don't trust the audience to receive something "new". the audience has not been given a chance to consume something "new". Audience/fans are tired of seeing the same old, same old (mouse droids, wilhelm screams, I have a bad feeling about this...). They want something new. This can be achieved without bringing our heroes back just to kill them in the name of progress, with no substance to their "contributions" on screen.
But again, your view is well thought out - and I appreciate the effort you put in to sharing it - thanks!
Cheers!
Rey faces abandonment issues and struggles with her identity. She doesn't know how shit fits in the universe since she grew up without loving parents, without heritage, without anything but a life of scavenging. Her glaring mistakes are searching for parents in everyone she meets. She immediately saw Han as a father figure, and then lost him. She immediately saw Luke as her chance for a mentor and direction, but he fiercely rejected her. She wants others to tell her what to do rather than forge her own destiny. Nothing is worse than not knowing who you are.
The throne room scene is replicated? Where? Be specific.
New Mexico Tuskens his bullshit was poorly thought out because his rhetoric is full of lies.
New Mexico Sabers well said. And, wow: Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies, almost shot for shot! And he stole so much more, he plagiarized and stole scenes and setups from so many different sources and passed it off as originally his own. Lmfao. He's a hack and it was a hack job movie. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...don't all these folks know?
@@baconjam5815 You claim their "struggles" but it doesn't seem to take ANY burden for her throughout the films. She seems to be doing fine being able to pilot like Anakin and if not better than him, being able to lift tons of boulders around her without breaking a sweat in just a couple of days after learning she can use the force, she's never trained to use a lightsaber, yet somehow was able to defeat the most elite troops of The First Order. She seems like she does everything with ease and doesn't let her so called "struggles" get in the way. Surprised she didn't magically scream and somehow kill Snoke herself lmao. Want to know a well-written character with struggles? Look into the story of Anakin Skywalker. Especially, in TCW. Btw, the throne scene is replicated with the only throne scene in the franchise that's in Return of The Jedi. Fucking moron.
Tide pods to be fair, Rey could barely hold her own against even one of the guards. Kylo was the one doing all the work in that scene, fighting 5ish at once while she struggled to keep one at bay
The ending is a lot like the Clint Eastwood movie Grand Torino. Luke has ascended to a higher spiritual level. He doesn’t need to fight in the conventional way anymore.
Beyond Good and Evil, my dude.
Its like the Man with No Name - even right down to low angles on their feet at the end.
Yoda: “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." This is what he does with Kylo
@Chan Thorpe i applaud u for remembering that, some people were mad that he wasn’t out there in person and wanted him to actually fight kylo!!!
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891
out of fear.
In Ep6 as Luke chopped off Vader's hand he embraced the dark side for the first time.
As he felt the darkness in Ben,
he was overwhelmed by his fear
'and fear is the way to the dark side'
so he instinctivly ignited his lightsaber.
Ben, awakening to his Master with his Lightsaber activated above him,
reacted with a single hit
and Luke blocked it.
_He didnt attack.
(As portrayed in Kylos Version of the Past)
Luke was afraid
of the Darkness in Ben
and Ben attacked him_
Atleast now this makes sense,
as Palpatine was playing Luke the whole time..
Ep9 maybe was not at all bad,
It made the Trilogy a whole again.
The Rise of Skywalker proved why we needed the Last Jedi…
I didnt like this movie at first... Mostly because i work backshift and went to see it 10 hours after my shift with no sleep, so i kept falling asleep in the theatre, and i missed a lot of it so i kinda just got mad and didnt bother to see it again. A few days ago i finally did get to sit down and watch it again fully, and i 100 percent agree with this video. I love the movie.
LitGitness this is one of those odd films that get better the more you watch it. It looks pretty crappy on the surface, but underneath it’s very interesting.
Hail Satan I agree :)
Yeah, Rian's style takes patience. I'm noticing all these connections to the preqs especially Phantom Menace.
Mauler and Critique of Last Jedi: Rose Finn and Does Canto Make Any Sense At All? Star Wars Analyzed
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Even the way Snoke is killed - midsection IS LIKE Darth Maul. LOL. Amazing.
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 Why should a Star Wars film require patience ?
@@callumwebb4927 LOL Why should it not?
I agree with you analysis. The fact that the Last Jedi surprised me means the world to me. Because I don't get surprised that often anymore.
Especially nowadays. What are the actual odds of any sort of unexpected plot developments in Jurassic World 2 for example? Great banter.
Jurassic Park has been the same movie since the first one. Are you saying every Star Wars movie has been the same up until The Last Jedi?
Literally the first video I’ve seen NOT trashing the movie to hell. Thank you!
UA-cam is full of alt-right douchebags and overly dramatic fanboys, which explains all the videos griping about the film. But honestly, Last Jedi is amazing.
That should be a clue man
Because if you dislike the new movie your alt-right ? Take your political obsessions else where
Kurt Horner the strawmanning is strong with you.
It doesn’t deserve defending.
You, somehow and incredibly, expressed every feeling I have of this movie. I think it's brilliant. I truly love THE LAST JEDI. It's easily my second favorite film of the series.
Mikey Wood GARBAGE
Your an actual idiot, it was so poorly written, it was written more like a marvel film than a Star Wars film.
@lil zachy @taylorx10 And here is exhibit A. of toxic internet crybabies who can't handle people like things they don't.
@@AmusedWalrus I would pay more attention to them if they used punctuation and the correct version of "you're".
Actually...no, I wouldn't.
@@AmusedWalrus amen
The Last Jedi is a great movie!!! It is unique in its own way and Ryan did what he wanted which is great! I loved Luke’s death as he ended where he began looking towards the horizon. Change is inevitable, even Luke the most powerful Jedi in canon can abandon the Jedi and possibly have some dark side in him.
I liked it
Watch the originals and maybe you would see why its stuiped Luke would cut himself off from the force and think about how stuiped it is the most powerful jedi or force user ever died using the force and obi wan had all his friends die his master die his apprentice try and kill him and then turn into a sith and he still trained Luke Luke didint kill darth vader he tried to turn him to the light why would he try and kill his nephew who in the rise of skywalker turned to the light Luke must have knowen that
@@MuhammadAli-tj8no Luke's arc is subjective, that's what star wars fanboys don't understand
Both sides have good points
But of course you haven't heard of an opinion
@@Whateveridksomething what do you mean lukes arc is subjective i might even have believed that Luke would do that if there was actually a good reason but no the sequels didint want that and everyone can have a opinion but when almost everyone who likes Star Wars including Mark Hamil doesn't agree with lukes story arch in the sequels you have to face the facts it make no sense and is stupid so even though there can be opinions there can also be facts and that lukes story arch makes no sense is a fact oh and also Luke was the son of the chosen one and he had been able to live with out losing both arms and legs so he should not have died by using the force
You know after hating it in the start, 2 years later...
It's still complete shit.
The comment section is proof that star wars nerds don’t understand the very thing they’re obsessed with. Crazy how you can be that emotional about it and yet fail to comprehend it entirely.
"Suck it up"?
I don't think the origins of Snoke were the most important thing to address with this movie; the movie was meant to be about development of the protagonist (s). But yes, the origin of the most powerful force user in the Galaxy, the person who turned the tables from the New Republic to the First Order, is still INCREDIBLY important to the story. Snoke means nothing now. He was a waste of time in development. If they had left him out it would have made a better story because the conflict of the dark side within Kylo would have been his own, that of a child trying to find his own way, therefore an important part of his early development as a character. By writing off such a potentially deep character like they did, they effectively gave a giant middle finger to any of the fans who cared enough to theorize about him, who he was, where he came from, and what role he had left to play. I understand the desire to be unpredictable, but now what? Who's the real villain anymore? Kylo and Rei are at odds again, but if they leave Kylo as the villain until he dies they once again are throwing away the character with the greatest potential for development.
The thing is, no answer as to who Snoke was would actually have made him interesting
What did we know about the emperor when he died in Episode 6?
And I don’t mean from the prequels, I mean when ROTJ came out in cinema.
@@paulwalker3758 we knew he was the supreme antagonist who was finally brought to a head in the final movie of the trilogy. We were given him as the absolute evil in the galaxy which allowed us to see that Vader was not the main villain here. He was given a chance to be something better. The difference is where the death of Snoke and the death of Palpatine came in the 2 trilogies. Snoke was presented to be the new Palpatine in every way, until they said, "No, now it's Kylo."
Steven Oliver so, you’d have preferred a carbon repeat of Return of the Jedi?
TLJ gave two options: we see what could have been as a Skywalker becomes ruler of the Galaxy. Or we see a Skywalker who is ruler realising it’s not what he wanted and his ambitions had all been wrong. Instead TROS said, here, have ANOTHER Palpetine to kill in the finale.
While watching this video I got the idea you were talking about the episode 8 I was hoping for, before I went to go see it.
I left the theater extremely disappointed and I think this is indeed because of expectations but that doesn't change the fact that I was disappointed. The three trailers for the movie were without a doubt the best trailers I had ever seen and all the epic moments teased in the trailer were, at least to me, extremely underwhelming in the movie. They were either turned into a joke (Rey meets Luke), or were simply weird and laughable (Kylo blows up Leia only for her to fly back through space).
I was excited to see why Luke was on the island and what he was up to only to find he was there to die. I was excited to see what Snoke would be up to only to see he died. I was excited to see how general Hux commands the first order to hunt down the rebellion only to see him turned into a joke as well. I hear many people saying the choices were subverting our expectations and sure, they did, but mainly because I was expecting something better.
I can, however, see why someone would like this movie, but these are 'flaws' I can't look past. So if you enjoyed it: great! I wish I did too. I can't be excited for Episode 9 anymore because there's nothing left for me to be excited about. I don't care about Rey or any of the new characters and the old characters are mostly gone.
The Mandalorian was epic though :)
So you were disappointed because you thought this movie would be a nostalgia fest and it did something different? Lol
Robin Brewer I did love the movie, in fact is one of my top three favourite Star Wars movies. Nonetheless I respect your opinion, you mentioned the reasons you didn’t like the movie and it’s understandable. You also were very civil about it and in no way you insulted anyone else’s opinions. It’s rare to see that nowadays from our fan base. I hope ROS is great!!
PD. The Mandalorian indeed is epic!!
Instantaneous Sanic you forgot the /s
@@claesboillot5138 This isn't reddit kid.
@@supermysticsonic2 o lol you were being unironic
Nice to hear someone who understands storytelling and charcter structure speak about the film, thank you.
Thanks for the video.
It’s refreshing to hear pros of TLJ
I loved TLJ and usually feel so alone in my opinion of it.
Fan for life.
I won't go in to the details. I had a large number of mind and heart related issues "before" seeing it. People who hate it..are lost causes..don't listen to them. There for sure could have been some (changes)..improvements. But the Last Jedi..was "BEYOND FANTASTIC! I am still in shock.
If you’re used to something for 40 years you’re conditioned to that way think I used to hate the last Jedi but seeing it from a different point of view you learn to grow out of old ways of thinking
Peter Mc moron
I didnt like TLJ for various reasons but I accept, that you have a different opinion. But what exactly was good at TLJ in your opinion?
@@gustavhls5739 I think the movie had a message, but it just couldn't deliver it properly.
Everyone complains about finn and rose's useless storyline and luke's behavior but I think that was done on purpose.
I think the main message of the movie was that anyone can be special, you don't have to be of a powerful lineage to become strong with the force. That's why rey's parents are nobodies and that's what luke keeps saying to her, that the force does not belong to the jedi, that's why the kid force pulls the mop at the ending.
The other message is that the older generation must be always respected and being younger and new and all does not mean you can do everything as you please ignoring the teachings and orders of more experienced people. That's why that whole imprudent scheme poe, finn and rose were doing was useless.Holdo and leia knew what they were doing but poe just wouldn't have it, he was reckless and that had consequences so he would learn.
Now
About luke, I sadly agree that his actions were quite out of character to me. BUT I understood it. His fame and power got to his head and he realized it afterwards, he told rey what happened. I wish people payed attention. He saw darkness in ben solo,the dark side was so tremendously powerful there that for a moment he did think of killing him. Contrary to other people, I actually think this humanized him a lot. It affected him pretty hard and made him want no part of that jedi order rules and ways bullshit anymore. And yoda helped him realize that he was right, it didn't matter that much, rey already had what it takes. So in the end luke did help the resitance, but maintaining his decisions.
I think the problem was the way these ideas were presented. That shot of luke activating the saber on bens room was unecessary and a few shots of rey actually training combat would make her proficiencies look less unrealistic.
I really love that movie.
I do find it interesting that Finn and Rose’s mission utterly failed. But the fact is that hundreds of rebels were killed because of their failure to follow orders, but nobody cares because hey, they ’evolved as characters’. No further introspection or consequences. It just doesn’t work for me. Of course, the idea that the first order were only able to track the escaping ships because of DJs help is ridiculous to begin with.
We’re not wrong, we just have our own opinions. I’m glad for you that you enjoyed this movie! That’s your opinion and I love that you’re bold and brave enough to come onto the internet and say all this, I applaud you.
In my opinion, The Last Jedi is honestly so good and I feel a great deal of sympathy for Rian Johnson. Even if you take the fact that it's Star Wars away from it, Johnson literally made a well-made movie that he just gets hate for. I'm excited to see what he brings with his new trilogy, I really do believe in him.
This movie is Star Wars as hell, and I'm so sorry that "fans" are wrecking it with stupid nitpicks.
Ofc anyone's opinion isn't fact, but the movie is objectively bad, it has so many flaws with ranging from lore inconsistencies and gaps, to plot holes, to character assissnations that is it impossible to defend. If this movie didn't have the Star Wars logo on it and was just some summer blockbuster then it would have been slated. I also don't count CGI, special effects and Cinematography, while good this just comes down to budget and if the movie had the paybook of Disney then they could easily do the same. In time this movie will be looked down just like the prequels were.
Hopefully Rian is canned along with Kathleen and the rest of zer writer cohorts.
THANK YOU FOR TELLING THIS ❤
SuperNavatar Yes and none of those nominations where for best film, or screenplay. 😂😂😂 So really that isn't say anything
Obi-Wan and Yoda didn't give up. They went into exile until Luke and Leia became old enough. Luke went into permanent exile and waited to die
Is that why Yoda refused to train Luke at first? Because he was waiting for him to grow up? Obi-Wan convinced him to train him, Yoda was waiting to die...
If I was like I would just you know cut the cord
@Tarik Rashada luke caused the rise of kylo ren and brough doom to the galaxy by being arrogant enough to think hat he, as impatient, untrained, flirting with the dakr side jedi would be able to flawlessly teach students.
If you would have inadvertendly placed everything you, your friends , family and the galaxy fought for in mortal danger and ruined the sacrifice of your father. you too would go to an island hoping to die.
Luke realzied that the creation of Jedi inadvertedly brings rise to new sith, so his logical conclusion,b very rightly is to let the jedi die to prevent powerful force users from being enabled to become champions of the darkside
you clearly missed the messages and symbolism of the movie.
@Tarik Rashada well, I guess the movies sees it differently and you just dont want it to be that way lol
I knew I was going to like this video in the first 58 seconds. You are spot on. YT has constantly bombarded me with suggestions for videos tearing all new Star Wars movies down, and I have refused to watch them, so I specifically searched for a video like this. Thank you.
whydoineedaname11 You should stay open minded and watch videos on both sides. The movie however is abysmal.
Best star wars channel around....love your videos. I was there in '77 as a 5 year old....and have been there ever since...i thoroughly endorse your message ;)
Maz Kanata ..asked "who's the girl" to Han ...screen cuts before Han answers ... when Kylo learns BB8 was helped by a Girl he goes ape shit like he might have some insight as to who Rey might be ....the mystery of Rey was set up in TFA fans didn't create it. Audiences don't care who she is what their looking for is an answer as to why Rey is supergirl ... what gives her such control over the force ...it took 3 years for Luke the son of the chosen one to lift a rock ... and Rey is moving mountains after 3 weeks
whole rey thing is the fault of TFA.
The thing is, Rian Johnson wanted to create his own idea of what the story should be when the beginning was already in place. He practically spat in the face of JJ Abrams because he completely threw much of what was already happening in the story out of the window. He decided that what JJ had set up did not matter compared to his own vision of what he wanted to do.
Agreed ,It's not about be different from original trilogy. It's about Rain Johnson did't care the things JJ set it up from TFA. TLJ ruined this trilogy.
ธเนศ ศรีสุรภานนท์ just like atack of the clones ruined the prequel trilogy.
Cloudkit the Mailman What in your mind did Rian Johnson throw out the window that JJ Abrams set up? You're assuming that the story was going to be a certain way after episode 7. Get over it and move forward, before the hate swells inside you.
The powerful ending moment of TFA became to be joke scene of TLJ ,where're the Knight of Ren, mystery of Snoke , and so on. A lot of things JJ built were threw away. Because this is a trilogy, why each episode doesn't blend in?
ธเนศ ศรีสุรภานนท์ just because he took the story in a direction that was unexpected and even potentially different from what jj had originally intended, it does not mean he spat in his face if disrespected his vision. Also keep in mind that jj was a producer and a writer , in some part, of this movie. The point of film, and art in general, is to allow people to express ideas through the medium as they see fit. I personally felt that rian Johnson used Star Wars as a platform to tell a beautiful story about personal discovery and understanding. Through this, this is the most artistic and purposeful Star Wars film there has been. It told a story that wasn't just a continuation of the story, like a soap opera or something, it was an actual piece of art that made statements.
Well said. The Last Jedi is a great movie in my book. Maybe even the best of the sequels. It goes places you don't expect, and each character is given a challenge to meet. There is no drama without conflict, and the Last Jedi provides plenty.
i'm 53 years old. i was at the theater in 1977 watching star wars. by me star wars can do no wrong. great take. subbed but then i'm a real fan....
TFA: “It’s unoriginal.”
TLJ: “It’s too original!”
Yes..... but actually no
An intelligent, mature, and non-reactionary, analysis of this film. It will convert nobody, but it is excellently worded.
Thanks Matt. Hopefully it will convert a tiny bit more than nobody. One person, I'm happy. BSW
That was in no way a criticism of you. Just the people I have dealt with on this issue are so staunchly opposed to any dialogue, that I haven't even sent this link.
I agree, this video puts to words a lot of the feelings I've had about _The Last Jedi_ and points out a lot of great things that I had never though about before. I really enjoyed the film, I liked it because it wasn't predictable, more like if George R R Martin wrote it lol. And you hit the nail on the head, it's not fan fiction, it was written by story tellers.
I think this will absolutely change some people's minds... if they're willing to view it with an open mind.
I think they made TFA to show us how potentially boring it would be if they didn't change anything. haha.
Excellent video, thanks!
I agree with everything you have said. I love this movie and can't believe some of these negative comments. In some of these other videos, not yours, there are some people complaining about the lead characters being women and minorities. We are in the 21st century and some of these people are pissed off that there aren't enough of the lead characters being male and white. WTF????
Watch mauler please. He made a reactionary video then deconstructed every second of this movie over 5 hours. This was a bad movie. If you don t believe me give it a try. mAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND US.
The great thing about having no background for Snoke is that it's open for anyone to fill in any way they like... or they can just leave it be. It doesn't matter.
I really loved THE LAST JEDI. I was actually surprised at the negative reviews! 🙀
Same! I thought it was the best Star Wars since The Empire Strikes Back. Then I saw all the hate and I was like, WTF??
@@forklift1712 same with the Rise of Skywalker
@Rómulo Figueroa very funny. You didn't love The last jedi maybe, but you can't hate this. You haven't even seen the movie. You're just a stupid hater
@@rareschorban936 no he's being honest
@@forklift1712 anothrt hater who hasn't seen the movie. I'm not sure we watched the same movie...
Now make an 1 hour vid that explains why poe's "your mama" joke was a brilliant beginning of the movie!
It's Poe's personality. Remember when he saw Kylo for the first time, "who talks first, you talk first, I talk first?" Yeah, it was campy, but not worth getting upset about. The was the most complex and daring film to be done. Yeah, there are things I don't like about it, but that goes for every movie, and every SW movie. Alas, we all are entitled to our opinion. Hope you like IX better.
heh-heh, General Hugs...
Kevin Lawrence i understand that this is in poes character. Leias flying scene is also defendable since she is a skywalker but this is supposed to be a tense moment where the resistance is at the brink of destruction. It just ruins that and that leia scene f.e. works in a comic or at rebels but is ridicolous to watch :( i was trying hard to love this, but its just bad
Frederik Theron I understand your concerns. It’s just bothersome when you read ppl saying this is the worst SW ever. Hope you like IX better! Be good!
@@kevinlawrence2455 So we should give Jar Jar a pass because it's consistent in his character to be clumsy and stupid?
The problem isn't the joke, but that it actually worked on Hux, which makes it really hard to take the Firs Order seriously.
I also thought that ending was the best.He didn't have to actually hurt anyone; just tick off the little plonker for long enough to get everyone out the back door!
hold up... Are you seriously trying to make the argument "life is fucked up" therefor this movie doesn't have to make sense?
Nicklas Pikhoved if that’s what you got from this man I don’t know what to say man. Lol
You say Obi Wan gave up the whole jedi order was destroyed his padawan the chosen one was now a sith and he stayed on tattoween until Luke was old enough to train do not lie to get a point across
thanks for this, this is so beautifully stated, and I agree with every point you made. people's issue with the last jedi is more of a personal identity issue than a genuine objective outlook on the movie
aerosurferlv really? That seems a sweeping, blanket generalization. Eek. Lol. Johnson literally stole the setup and execution of scenes from other, better movies, yet, Johnson wanted to subvert our expectations with something we've never seen before. Lmfao. Oh lord, the hypocrisy! Lol. Johnson literally stole the entire hologram ending scene from John Carpenters' Escape movies almost shot for shot! And they stole so much more. Wow. Hollyweird is being canceled...didnt you know?
I liked TLJ fine but it does have objective leaps in logic and lacks explanations for in-movie rules. There's just a general lack of world-building and thought put into it. I guess how much you manage to like it depends on your ability and willingness to fill in the blanks. I completely understand why people don't like it. I managed to and I'm grateful for it but the "subversion" wasn't handled very elegantly. We could have done with more world building and less "deus ex machina".
you're not intelligent xD
@Kevin Cobb yeah but they make sense in the universe, they aren't just forced in last minute because everyone forgot
You have no idea why people are mad. This movie is objectively bad storytelling. And there are freakin THESIS' ou there to prove it. Enjoy it if you want, but dont tell people its a personal issue. Its a writing issue.
I for one am not afraid of change,it's inevitable, it's necessary. Be that as it may,change was not my problem with TLJ. Lack of character development and not following through with any story previously set up in TFA. I honestly feel lukewarm throwing his light saber was a perfect metaphor for Ryan Johnsons storytelling abilities
Damia, sorry but killing off older characters to "pass the torch" is as contrived as your going to get! Rian should have shown some real balls and made Luke the Main Character in the Trilogy. Go against "Age makes one useless". He didn't obviously. It might have been wise had Disney gone into this Trilogy with the idea that the Prior Trilogy actually meant something and there was the Balance of the Force and the defeat of the Empire. The Old Characters, don't need to be defeated by the Dark Side or die by the deeds of the Dark Side, they actually defeated that in Return of the JEDI. BTW, ITS luke who is the Return of the Jedi, not Rey. Luke was the last of the Jedi. The Emperor was worried about Luke not because he was going to become a bum on an Island, but the fact that Luke had what it took to defeat the Sith.
They changed it from something I liked into something I don’t like.
dave d the thing is this is no longer luke's story. It is rey' and kylo's time to shine. That happened on the original trilogy as well when obi wan and yoda went from being main characters of the previous trilogy to being secondary that helped the main characters. Oh and luke didn't defeat the sith. Vader did. He was the one to kill himself and the emperor. Luke was the one to conflict vader's mind. I think you got the whole point wrong.
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I didn't say Luke defeated the Sith rather he was the "Return of the Jedi" and obviously the Sith's defeat was caused by his actions with regards to Vader and turning him back. Also, to the point of something being "contrived" this didn't have to be Rey's story. That is contrived, and that was the point I was making. Also, what is Rey's character? To me, its something quite similar to a Mary Sue who barely trained. Its an empty character. I don't mind Star Wars going "forward" but not crapping on the Original Trilogy in the process.
dave d the movie's message is letting the past die or kill it if you have to. That's what they did they killed the past. It is reasonable to kill off some characters mainly because they are to old and some aren't even alive. I would to disagree with you. I do believe that rey is now the last jedi and she indeed is the protagonist.
The music is star wars music slowed down isn't it?
Edit: Well, most of it.
My brain: You've already seen too much positive essays about this film.
My heart: Do it!
My favorite Star Wars.
I love then!
Not only the fight scenes! But the twists and the character too!
It’s an amazing film and and amazing way to evolve the saga
Are you braindead?
Different doesn't mean good. Different can mean anything, and in the case of this movie the direction, writing and story were garbage at times. The sound, visuals and illogical choices in the film may be why some people think the movie is brilliant.
This is so true. Visualy it is stunning. Story wise and the direction it took it was a big let down for me.
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You're right; "different" is not the definition of "good". Fortunately, this movie was different AND good. So it's a win-win! :)
Different _doesn’t_ mean good, in this case it means brilliant. And the reason why isn’t the visuals (I preferred TFAs and Rogue One’s) it’s the film subverting expectations by setting Kylo up as the true villain, shooting down Reylo and the possibility of Kylo’s redemption, and establishing that Rey is not a Skywalker or a Kenobi and has to make her own place.
Couple that with evolving Poe into a leader and Fin into a true believer (admittedly in a very clumsy way) and you’ve got probably the most important movie in this trilogy by a long shot, even if it ends up being the worst from a filmmaking perspective.
I completely agree with this. My beef is not with this part of the movie, it's the following:
-killing off the main villain so unceremoniously, without talking about who or what he actually is.
-creating an entire irrelevant subplot.
-using that subplot to plothole your way into detecting STEALTH shuttles.
-Hyping up someone's lineage to then say "yeah you came from nothing."
-forcing a shitty romance that developed in less than 24 hours.
-bringing Phasma back just to have her bitch slapped again.
For me the killing of Snokes was the high moment of the movie, infinitely better than a 45 minute boss battle where you know the ending.
Yeah i agree with pretty much all of that. Although, you should look at the Snoke dying scene again, because it too was probably the highlight of the film for me. It's great development for Kylo and it actually makes sense for how Snoke was able to be deceived. That being said, I wish they wouldnt have killed snoke because HE WAS SO FUCKING BADASS AND SCARY and now all we have is a (although definitely my favorite sequel character by far) bitchy teenage whiny asshole Kylo Ren as the big baddie. He just isnt intimidating as he keeps being beaten by an untrained "Mary Rey Sue"
Well, some points of yours are explained in this video, and while I agree with some, I can´t disagree more with some.
What made the film so special is that it scraped our expectations. Only because the movie wasn´t what you expected doesn´t make it a bad movie.
Reys parents being nobodies made it special in a certain way because it created the feeling that everybody can be special and that your parents aren´t deciding about your fate and Snoke getting killed off was unexpected and it really fucked all theories and while I wanted some explanation who he was I am sure it will be explained sometimes.
For me I really liked Snoke being killed off because I didn't care who he was like I didn't care who the emperor was.
"What made the film so special is that it scraped our expectations." - This was the only reason the film will be memorable at all. Surely you do agree that just because it subverted our expectations does not make it a good film. It was a bad film for many reasons, and wouldn't have been as bad a film if the film didn't subvert our expectations unnecessarily often. Defying expectations appears silly after awhile because you start to second guess every tiny decision that is about to be made, just because it may turn around "unexpectedly." Also, being a Skywalker doesn't decide your fate, it just makes you a powerful force-user for some reason (probably genetic). I call to mind that just because Anakin and Luke were both Skywalkers, Luke was good and Anakin was evil, fairly different fates in my opinion. To emphasize my first point, a movie isn't immediately good because it subverts our expectations, it needs to have a strong and intriguing story as well, which The Last Jedi doesn't (except for the Kylo bits IMO).
Absolutely fantastic analysis
Thank you. This video puts all my thoughts on the film into a concise package I can link whenever I feel like defending it.
This is the reason why I actually liked TLJ
It’s a dumb reason
Attiii Arghon Our comments are probably going to get deleted. I’ve not seen any critical comments being tolerated by this channel. He only wants those few who agree with his conclusions. He is wrong in his evidence based analysis. Yoda never burnt the ancient Jedi texts. We see them in a drawer on the Millennium Falcon when Finn opens it to get a blanket for Rose. Luke is never witnessed vanishing after his confrontation with Kylo, as they are too busy looking at Rey lift rocks. How does Luke’s legend build and inspire the galaxy? Well, you better hope that Kylo doesn’t execute all those on his side who saw him be made a fool of by his former Master, and that these First Order personnel get shore leave on Cantonica, so that the stable hands can somehow overhear their “stories”. No, this is a bloated chain of contrivances in which I identified 283 faults in my 53 hour analysis. That works out on average as more than two faults per minute. Many of these aren’t subjective takes. We have Holdo talk to Poe and her lips do not synchronise with her speech. That is an unquestionable fault. Subjectivity doesn’t enter into it.
@@Lipton3373 its not a dumb reason tho
@@____uncompetative you re wrong in EVERY SINGLE THING YOU TYPED
Yes
And episode 9 is a confetti bomb of absurdity scattered over the ashes of TLJ.
C Wonderland I haven’t seen episode 9, but so far TLJ is the worst Star Wars film ever made
@@TheArbiterOfTruth I also haven't watched EP9 but I personally thinks EP8 is the best movie made by Disney.
And I like the resurrection of Star Wars under Disney.
I wouldn't even consider watching a video with this title, BUT, your videos are so good that I trust you. Cheesy but true
Well put! Excellent points! I'm more and more inclined to regard TLJ as the best SW film post-TOS!
This was dead on! And I'm a fan since '77. There were a few seconds of silliness in the casino, but other than that, I LOVED this movie. I hope this video helps as a counterpoint to the negative perspective that many have. Thank you!
Shad Harvey I agree some people do eat strange things
Last Jedi: the movie we deserved and didn’t think we would need
I have to find these positive videos on occasion to remind me it isn't all whiney babies who call themselves Star Wars fans but put down anybody who loves a Star Wars movies.
Thank you so much for this video. I’ll never understand why so many so called ‘fans’ hate on TLJ. It’s literally a good movie and Rian Johnson did a good job here. I’m just glad I didn’t read too much Reddit or watch too much Mike Zeroh before the film came out. Unlike most of this fanbase.
Fortunately for fans like you and me Ryan Johnson understood Star Wars far better than 85% of it's fandom was ever capable of. So glad this movie is canon forever. Luke is such a nuanced and wonderful character because of Ryan.
Great video. And you're right about TLJ. It will be seen as one of the great Star Wars films once all the fanboi noise has died down.
@Jason Millar just like the prequels?
When the new fan come. They can see 9 episodes as a whole. Just like current fan consider 6 episodes. Before that the old fan even hate I II & III. Give it time I guess.
So I'm wrong because i Have different option
No it's just a title to make you click on the video. I liked the last jedi.
the title is just clickbait.
that's how it is nowadays on youtube.
a shame, too. the video is fantastic.
He had to otherwise people wouldn't watch it as much. UA-camrs have to compete nowadays.
fridge_party how about you you fucking read the fucking video title before using the word “fucking” on my Christian UA-cam server?
lol I think fridge party meant that within the video it is never stated.
To have a good essay, don't say that someone is wrong immediately. Just say that you like it and I'll decide if I see fit to change my opinion. Christ.
As a person who loved the movie, I was really surprised when I saw all the people hating the movie but at least now I can recognize who are true fans: fans that despite the fact that they didn’t like the movie continue to support the franchise and respect, despite all the flaws of the movie, Rian Johnson’s work
mastergreg 5944 same the movie is a masterpiece.
@@THEMANOFGRAND Not even close
You wanna know why people hate these new movies? They're feminist propaganda. When creating the character of Rey, they threw away character development for a marysue. Not to mention Disney ruined the original characters. Why would you support a company that purposefully tries to make males look bad?
David K respect your opinion, however I think it’s a great film. Reinvents everything and transcends Star Wars to new heights, something movies are supposed to do. But that’s my opinion and I respect yours bud
@@THEMANOFGRAND I thought the movie had some high points, but I just can't stand the fact that they made Luke hopeless. But to each his own, I guess.
I'm not sure how the character of Rey is conducive to tearing down the "chosen one" trope exactly. She's the one person who doesn't fail.
She did not save Han Solo, she did not convinced Luke to come and fight for the resistance, she did not turned Kylo back to the light.
@@chamlok1787 But those all involve other people who make their own choices. You can never have full control over another person, no matter how gifted you may be.
@@annnee6818 Then the same could be said for Luke - he didn't save Vader, Anakin chose the light of his own volition
Because her parents are nobodies and she isn't special.
The last to protagonists were the LITERAL son of the force and his son.
When I walked in the theatre to watch Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi for the first time, I thought it would be my last Star Wars movie. I felt bitter The Force Awakens played the saga too safe and was nostalgia filled leaving no room for original storytelling. Let alone I felt betrayed by Disney making every prior Star Wars book, game and comic non-canon and labeled them as "legends". That being said my first viewing of The Last Jedi was a meta experience. Luke was upset with the Jedi order just as I was with Disney. Then when Yoda confronted Luke it was a beautiful way of Yoda telling me to let go of the Legends. George Lucas himself never considered the books, comics and games as canon to his films in the first place. However, every Star Wars book, comic, movie, television show and streamed show on Disney+ related to Star Wars they create is and will be created canonical. And when Luke turned around from his anger towards the Jedi and learning from his mistakes, I too also turned around my hatred towards Disney into a deep appreciation and love for them. I felt welcomed back to the franchise and wanted to share with the fandom my love for The Last Jedi. When I expected support and similar feelings, I was treated with hostile negativity from the fans of Star Wars from the Social Media. I was private messaged and messaged publicly in Star Wars groups to "kill myself" for loving The Last Jedi or that I was stupid for my own subjective opinion. It turns out I wasn't the only one. The whole production team of Star Wars was bombarded with emotional, sexual and verbal abuse online for being involved in making the movie. This was from a number of "fans" online and in some cases they were aggressive to others in person regarding those involved and who enjoyed the film. I respect others for their subjective opinion in whether they loved or hated or felt in between regarding anything from the entertainment industry. However, I do not agree with the subjective opinion to exhibit hate on people directly for what they love. Needless to say, no matter how hostile people are for my opinion, Star Wars Episode 8, The Last Jedi is my third favorite Star Wars film of all time.
I enjoyed it, but I wonder if my experience would've been different if I hadn't heard spoilers before seeing it.
@@LedBeatle-vz4ui indeed
@Shonksu why acknowledge something I don't agree with?
Joe Balaich because nothing’s perfect
@@thatoneguymatt987 try convincing people that regarding the original trilogy.
I wasn't too happy with the movie at first, but after a second and third viewing after it's release, I began to see these exact things that made me appreciate it more. I also discovered that Rey being a nobody was the original plan for Luke. He was planned as a nobody so he could be relatable, but evolved to be Vader's son.