If maul can survive being CUT IN HALF, and Palpatine can survive being electrocuted and thrown off the death star... then WHY can't ben solo survive force healing his girlfriend
How about ....why is it that people who make the ultimate sacrifice or commit a self-less deed don't come back? And yet those who are pure evil do? 😑 Dis stank!
Killing Kylo/Ben was a cheap decision. I understand it was the end of the trilogy, but sending the message that death is redemption and not exploring atonement and owning up to your errors by living with them is just lazy
I respectfully disagree, because if that were the message then we wouldn't have Finn and his band of defected stormtroopers. You can't have redemption without some sort of sacrifice on your part, for Finn it was giving up the only life knowing he would be hunted for it, learning to stop running away way his arc over the course of Force Awakens and Last Jesi. As for characters like Darth Vader and Kylo Ren it's a bit more than that. The reason they have to sacrifice their lives is because it plays into their arcs. Anakin Skywalker as a character was so emotionally driven that he became overly controlling about himself and his loved ones even over death. That's why Vader choosing to confront himself over this flaw he's repressed for so long and directly overcoming it in order to save his son is so emotionallu resonating. Vader just force pushing Palpatine over the edge and surviving to live another day doesn't hit as hard both in a practical sense and narrative sense because 1. He would be arrested for war crimes and even executed. and 2. Him survivng doesn't completely his character arc. It's the same for Kylo Ren, conceptually Kylo Ren is meant to be an inverse of Darth Vader, where Vader started as a confident figure who was slowly broken down Kylo started as a broken figure who slowly given more confidence. That is why inevitably there will be parallels because as we all know it's like poetry it rhymes. But Ben Solo's arc isn't a copy and paste of Anakin Skywalker, Ben Solo became Kylo Ren because he was born into a situation where he would inevitably always be compared to legends and figures of the past is mentally taxing especially as a child. It's why he needed other forms of validation which Palpatine preyed on through Snoke. It's why he chose the name Kylo Ren over Ben Solo. Ky-lo literally being taken from sKYwalker and soLO he is making a statement that he is rejecting and cutting away all the baggage from his old name relating to the past and his family, Ben relating to Obi-Wan, Luke and the Jedi and Solo relating to Han, Leia and the Rebellion. The name Kylo is a direct manifestation of his "let the past die" philosophy, he is embracing that he is less of a Skywalker and a Solo and more his own man, Ren signifying that he is the master of the Knights of Ren, and the master of his own destiny. But as much as he says it he never got the validation he needed until Rey came along, someone who grew up in a situation where she was a nobody and only stayed there because she was comforted by the desire of wanting to be part of a family that would come back for her, the opposite of his situation. Rey had to learn to make her own family in spite of her background (it remains true for her being a nobody and Palpatine), which is also why she would accept him for being Ben Solo, not Kylo Ren. And in the grand scheme of things her being a Palpatine is just a way of tieing them both to the same great evil and it poetically represents the battle of generations between Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine. Anakin chose love and Palpatine chose control so in addition to Anakin's descendant in the end even his own descendant was against him. Ben Solo's arc culimnates emotionally when he recognises that him gaining internal validity doesn't just involve him controlling his own destiny and forcing it on others instead it involves letting other people care and love for you like how each member of the Original Trio died to save him in the long term and it culimnated with Leia solidifying that he's not this monster that's too far gone and the memory of Han Solo giving him the ok. Which is why for his redemption to work it demanded that he sacrifice himself, he needs to save Rey even if it means dying to show how he isn't afraid of not being in the spotlight of destiny anymore. And as a final battle of the Skywalker Saga Ben Solo did what his grandfather Anakin Skyalker couldn't originally bring himself to do, save the ones he cared about from dying. Not by cheating death but by embracing it in the name of love.
Exactly. There's a reason 'Redemption Equals Death' is a trope. Given how overused it is, it's no longer interesting storytelling, it's just lazy. Of course, JJ and co. are utterly lacking in creativity so it isn't surprising that they went for the cliche. (Don't get me wrong, JJ is a decent director, but he *should not* be writing what he directs. He's terrible at it.)
@@angrbodaironwood718 Of course not. We should send the message that no matter how many wrong things you do you can get away scott free! Give me a break. This was the only reasonable and dignified way that Ben could have gone out. For him to have gotten off scott free to set up a house and have kids with Rey is an insult to all the lives he's taken and people he's hurt. Going to prison would be humiliating. And having him traveling the galaxy like some penitent monk is out of character, that's not Kylo. He went out like a hero saving the woman he loved. And he went out in such a way that he can be brought back. Which is probably what will happen. He'll be given Revan's story and be mind wiped.
Adam treating this role just as seriously as every other role is exactly why it came out so amazing, and is the only thing that really draws me to this trilogy. I feel like they could have fleshed out his character so much more and emphasized his and Rey's connection more. (And he definitely should not have died.) Those early designs of Kylo look so badass!
I thought the same, I felt like he should have been the one at the end, not Rey, who had those final moments. Also I think if he had survived too that would have been amazing, even if he gave half his power to save her and she gave half hers to save him so they were equal, there's no way he should have died. I think if he killed Palpatine it would have been the perfect ending.
I think the death of Ben Solo would have gone over better if Adam Driver had been given more time and more dialogue as Ben. The fans felt cheated of Ben Solo as a character, since they only got a glimpse of it, which was enough to see that Adam Driver would have made the part distinct from Kylo Ren. They needed more Ben, in one context or another.
Killing Ben Solo was absolutely the stupidest decision narrative-wise and financially as well... He's the only truly remarkable character in this trilogy. They could've made him a space ronin, show his atonement, and milk that cow for another 30+ years through comics, books, animated series, movies... but nah. DLF is a dumpsterfire.
Right!!! I thought Disney would've made more money off of him by letting him live.. 😣 plus story-wise and continuiity. Everything you said I wholly agree.
I agree. If anyone should have died...it should have been Rey. Ben/Kylo Ren could have then left, grieved over Rey, and move on to next scene. Then show Ben at the END of the movie (having returned to Luke's home planet) to bury Leia/Luke's light saber's! Then the title would have made sense..."THE RISE OF SKYWALKER"! Luke's nephew would have been the family member to RISE back to LIGHT side of the force!!!! YAY! The End!
Yep but this is where you have to understand practically all of Hollywood lately is trying to push this agenda where Women are the best and on top now. Thats why they went with Rey and why it was always going to purely be about here here in these sequels. And well Disney love thier princesses.
@@judegross7624 No, it was George Lucas who was the first to come up with a Female Protagonist, in his Sequel Treatments that went through a few names. Early on his titular heroine would be called "Skylar", then he changed the name to "Thea", which is evidenced in very early concept art, when he was trying to flesh out his Sequel Trilogy story before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney. Then when Disney bought Star Wars, they threw out Lucas' treatments, Micheal Arndt was brought in as screen writer and he came took a stab at the story evolving the character into "kira", then he couldnt nail anything down which worked and left. Thats when Kennedy hired JJ. Abrams and by that point the character had gone through so many changes, Lucas' original character of Skylar/Thea was long gone. And JJ worked Arndt's "Kira" character into Rey.
I feel like if Ben Solo had lived TROS would have been far more successful. In the words of George Lucas "If the boy and girl walk off into the sunset hand-in-hand in the last scene, it adds 10 million to the box office.”
or even if they have both defeated the emperor together because he was literally the last Skywalker and then Rey would've been the new one or something ... it would've made more sense
I would have watched it multiple times in the theater if that had happened. As it was I stormed out of the theater nearly in tears. My hubby and his best friend completely taken aback by how angry I was. I was so mad that I couldn't rewatch it right away.
Please nobody fight me but I rather like all the movies. Don’t get me wrong some are better than others. I have a few complaints but overall thought it was an ***okay-ish*** ending
Kylo Ren is my favorite character, and Adam Driver is my favorite actor! He absolutely slayed this role. I hear what JJ is saying about killing Ben off, but if more thought was put into it, there are ways they could keep him alive while still not having him fully forgiven for everything he did. You should never kill off characters simply out of convenience - especially not characters as beloved as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I really hope they bring him back.
Though the whole cast has expressed the end of the Skywalkers storyline, maybe by some twist of fate,Lucasfilms/Disney will change their mind.Who knows? maybe we'll see Ben Solo living as a hermit because he thought he didn't deserve redemption.And that the death scene was only an illusion cast by him Luke Skywalker style.Then Rey finds out he's actually alive, and by some glorious reason, Ben Solo needs to be found because he's the last Skywalker.That in itself is a nice plot.So many possibilities.....
@@kurlykayla9013 definitely agree with u girl, there has to be a way for him to be alive somehow, he's the last living skywalker rey has to find him some way! x
Kylo Ren Sorry you can’t compare Kylo Ren to Anakin,Leia,Luke,Yoda,Palpatine,Vader,Obi-Wan,Ahsoka Tano or any other character from the original films or even prequels or Clone Wars
I honestly don’t think they were expecting Driver to steal the show like he did. It’s like he WAS Kylo Ren. I want to see his story. The Knights of Ren, their story. I want THAT movie. I’ve read it all and I know it but on the big screen, what a movie that would be. Given that Driver has said numerous times he wouldn’t play the role again, I guess that dream is dead. Any one else playing this role wouldn’t do it for me. He seriously brings it to any role he plays. And he’s a Marine so, there’s that 🇺🇸
Imagine this: Rey dies after killing the Emperor, Ben fails to ressurrect her. So Ben Solo becoming the Last Jedi. He restores the Jedi Order once he destroyed and trains bunch of people including Finn and The Broom Boy. But first he needs to redeem himself in the eyes of the good guys. Especially to people like Finn and Poe after somewhat causing the demise of their beloved Rey. Without Leia, Rey or anyone to stood up for him. Imagine this master and apperantice dynamics between Ben and Finn. With that Ben Solo, truly Rises as Skywalker. This would have been gave the Mary Sue the Space Jesus some depth and makes Ben's redemption more meaningful. Also he would finish what his grandfather started. Redeeming himself with restoring not merely dying.
"Adam Driver's performance will go down as the best thing about the sequel trilogy." AMEN TO THAT!! Kylo Ren is 100% of the reason I became a Star Wars fan. The sequel trilogy is mostly only as good as that character's screen time. :-)
@@angrbodaironwood718 Sure, I love Rey myself too. But for the story it would have been much better, more unexpected, and the stakes proven to be much higher. It would have shocked the F out of people and made Rey an even more meaningful character. Then we would have got Ben going to the homestead.
Killing off this character was a huge mistake. Ben Solo was the best character of this trilogy, and Adam Driver portrayed him so well. They absolutely ruined his redemption arc. I miss Ben.😭😭😭😭😭😭 Also can we appreciate 0:09 ❤️❤️❤️❤️ Edit: Wow thanks for all the likes! Edit 2: 205 likes?! Damn that’s a lot! Thank y’all so much!
Killing him was a huge mistake, but the biggest mistake of them all imo is how they handled it.. He died and nobody ever mentioned him again. Rey has no sad feelings and everyone is partying. Not even a force ghost Ben.. I can’t with this movie :(
@@lc4152 I don't know maybe because he tried to murder them all and he policed every world creating a massive war where he goes to extents such as burning small villages it isn't like he's a good guy.
I feel like kylo was the main character of this trilogy. And I love his personality and his story arc force powers like mind probe. Stopping a blaster bolt and best of all his lightsaber
Not to mention keeping his thoughts hidden from Snoke and bringing Rey back to life -- something his grandfather was willing to sell his soul to learn.
I've heard it said that Adam Driver's back really hurt after Rise of Skywalker because he carried that trilogy. That is the truth! Then JJ killed Ben Solo - what a joke.
Kylo/Ben was the best thing in this trilogy. Ben Solo will be back, adam driver will be back as Ben Solo and I predict he will have script approval ;) I mean come on, this film outside of his performance blew balls.
I really wish they had stuck with Rian's direction for the character, as I think it made him much more interesting, and presented so many more unique for Star Wars story possibilities, as opposed to a watered down Darth Vader arc. I mean seriously his arc is damn near identical to Vader. Would have been far more interesting for him to be the primary antagonist. I also hate that they reforged the mask because him destroying the mask was the admission that even though he was desperately trying to emulate Vader, he never could be him. He was setting his own path, and destiny. This was far more compelling in a story, as wall as meta-textual sense.
Noah East yeah and JJ only brought the mask back cause they put a lot of effort into designing it??? R u kidding?? Never mind the storyline, what matters is obviously them sulking and getting their way 🤦🏻♀️
Yep, and the decision of making Rey a nobody was one of the better decisions in the sequel trilogy too. The fact they had to make Rey a Palpatine is a bit bloodline-obsessed. Can't true power come from small places? Anakin was just a boy in a desert planet when he was discovered, can't Rey just be a random girl too?
@@MilA-eh3gf I think it would have been boring in a way. I was confused at that fact but they always talked about her parents in a way that there must have been something behind it. I expected something shocking because otherwise it would have been really boring. I don't know why it must have been Palpatine because for me it made no big sense, but that she wasn't just a nobody was fine
Thanks man. I had a daughter and the channel kinda fell by the wayside, but she's 18 months old now and easier to handle, plus might as well make the most of not being able to work during this crazy pandemic :P thanks again, I really appreciate it
I think the overall idea and character arc of Kylo Ren is great, probably the best thing about the Sequel Trilogy, and his design in The Force Awakens is amazing. But they really butchered his potential, especially in the Rise of Skywalker (what wasn't butchered in that movie?).
Rian Johnsons vision for the character was far more unique and compelling IMO. JJ just made him a watered down Vader copy. He had the potential to be in the top 5 of Star Wars characters with good writing, and Drivers magnificent performance, but naturally JJ squandered it.
@@noaheast7600 Totally, I thought it was so cool when Kylo killed Snoke and took over the First Order (I didn't like how Snoke was killed so easily, but I didn't even like Snoke as a character to begin with, so I was fine with that). Kylo should have been the main antagonist of The Rise of Skywalker, but instead we got the Emperor for no good reason and this Reylo BS.
And that's why Kylo Ren is my favorite sequel character. He was acted so well. Adam put his heart and soul into this character much like his other roles. All of his emotions felt so real the entire time I watched the movies. Not to mention the Knights of Ren scene. I LOVED the Knights of Ren scene so much, I had a huge stupid smile the entire time.
6:12 actually in AOTC when Anakin and dooku are fighting in the dark they are using illuminated blades instead of the painted metal ones, which is why you can see the glow of red and blue on their faces
Great video, as always! I guess he replied his mask twice as it was destroyed in The Force Awakens, too. He left it on the walkway after killing his dad, so it went up with Starkiller Base. Of course, an hour later when The Last Jedi starts, he has it once again. I guess he has a room full of them.
They had something great with Kylo at first I wanted him and Rey to be siblings or cousins but after seeing TROS and seeing them act as if they were in love I would've liked them getting together at the end and having a true Skywalker baby or babies to set up a new trilogy
Kylo Ren will always be my favorite Star Wars character because of how layered he is! Right from the first movie we know he’s torn from the light and the dark! He’s like Claude Frollo from Hunchback with a bit more understanding for his motives. And of course Adam Driver did a FANTASTIC JOB playing the character
I love the Kylo/Ben character. Going in to TROS I didn’t want Reylo to happen or Ben to be redeemed but the way JJ did it was beautiful. Adam deserves all the praise for this role and should get awards for it too
@@jeronimoepic2946 if you don't have anything nice to say then don't reply, no-one cares about your negativity …. Mia I completely agree, killing Ben was a bad decision but it really is a great Trilogy, I got them on dvd so I can watch them all the time, I like all the star wars movies to be honest, old and new.
Ben Solo deserves to be alive, because he really deserves a second chance, plus, he really cares for Rey, he wants to be with her. They both deserve to be together, they do make a wonderful couple & they both deserve a nicer & brighter future together. Adam Driver did a wonderful job as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. #StarWars #SaveBenSolo #BringBenSoloBack #reylo #AdamDriver #DaisyRidley
Kylo Ren had so much potential, and I absolutely love the design. A worthy successor in visual design. Too bad there wasn't a clear plan for the sequel trilogy.
6:14 Everytime I see Adam like this, I truly would have welcomed a stand-alone story about Kylo Ren as long as Adam plays the character again. 10:01 Yeah I had heard that Kylo Ren was supposed to get a droid in the early stages of TROS, but..... 13:58 Was it really JJ's decision to kill off Ben or Kennedy's ....such a mess. #BenSoloDeservedBetter
the cheapest move was killing ben so stupidly. he got beat up so much to the point he couldn’t even live when he saved Rey. it’s stupid. he had such a good storyline ahead and a redemptation time too. it was so sad.
Thanks for making these videos. They are pretty helpful and interesting and hearing you speak about various things from the series. I'd be curious to see an addendum of sorts to certain videos that have since gained some additional material following their release like Maul or Sidious. I'd be curious to see a full sequel trilogy breakdown of the various changes and concepts.
JJ and costume designer Michael Kaplan being pissed that Rian had Kylo destroy his mask so early in TLJ is like a toddler crying when the ocean dissolved the sand castle he built too close to the waves. Also, it illustrates a total and complete misunderstanding of what Rian was trying to do with Kylo’s character. Adam Driver deserved better than TROS. Everything he did in that movie as Ben Solo, I attribute entirely to his intuitive understanding of and empathy with the character as he and Rian saw him.
I really feel that they dropped the ball by leaving out the Force ghost of Luke Skywalker messing with/inside Kylo Ren's head in Rise of Skywalker. That was a genius idea that I would have loved to see onscreen
Adam Drivers performance was one of the best things about the sequel trilogy and it could have been better, but they kept him weak and winey so that he wouldn't overshadow Rey. That's why he lost twice to her. Luke was also dominated by Rey with a saber for the same reason. In an interview with Filoni and Pablo Hidalgo, they discussed the plan of subverting expectations and making Leia the Obi One mentor figure instead of Luke, sending the message that the future is the Matriarchy.
The one good thing JJ Abrams did whille directing a Star Wars film was the casting. All of the actors on this trilogy are so great and Adam Driver is just the best.
I didn´t like the way Kylo/Ben finished in the story. I think he should've had faced the consequences of his actions instead of just die. Actually Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is my favorite character in this triolgy but I didn´t notice Adam Driver's tremendous talent until I watched him in Marriage Story. Now I see he did his best with the role but he could have gotten higher with it. I know this is Disney but a darker perspective could be just amazing.
Dude I really love your channel and crave content exactly like yours. Well edited, well narrated and great footage choice as well. Love to your new family from Germany!
The fact that they didn't show his force ghost gives me hope that he may either not be dead (and just like teleported [vendor has weird chasm things that allow this but i don't remember the whole story] or in the world between worlds or something) or we can at least see his ghost in future movies. Although, I think this was the last one and they won't have these characters in the future movies which really sucks :/ Ben deserved more than that.
If maul can survive being CUT IN HALF, and Palpatine can survive being electrocuted and thrown off the death star... then WHY can't ben solo survive force healing his girlfriend
How about ....why is it that people who make the ultimate sacrifice or commit a self-less deed don't come back? And yet those who are pure evil do? 😑 Dis stank!
You see I get the joke but kylo didn’t have any hatred towards anyone which is why he died 😔
He gave his life to her.
He turned into a mega simp (I'm joking)
@@michaeljakcsonkillerqueen385 I'm guessing he took inspiration from you (I'm joking)
Killing Kylo/Ben was a cheap decision. I understand it was the end of the trilogy, but sending the message that death is redemption and not exploring atonement and owning up to your errors by living with them is just lazy
I respectfully disagree, because if that were the message then we wouldn't have Finn and his band of defected stormtroopers. You can't have redemption without some sort of sacrifice on your part, for Finn it was giving up the only life knowing he would be hunted for it, learning to stop running away way his arc over the course of Force Awakens and Last Jesi. As for characters like Darth Vader and Kylo Ren it's a bit more than that.
The reason they have to sacrifice their lives is because it plays into their arcs. Anakin Skywalker as a character was so emotionally driven that he became overly controlling about himself and his loved ones even over death. That's why Vader choosing to confront himself over this flaw he's repressed for so long and directly overcoming it in order to save his son is so emotionallu resonating. Vader just force pushing Palpatine over the edge and surviving to live another day doesn't hit as hard both in a practical sense and narrative sense because
1. He would be arrested for war crimes and even executed.
and
2. Him survivng doesn't completely his character arc.
It's the same for Kylo Ren, conceptually Kylo Ren is meant to be an inverse of Darth Vader, where Vader started as a confident figure who was slowly broken down Kylo started as a broken figure who slowly given more confidence. That is why inevitably there will be parallels because as we all know it's like poetry it rhymes. But Ben Solo's arc isn't a copy and paste of Anakin Skywalker, Ben Solo became Kylo Ren because he was born into a situation where he would inevitably always be compared to legends and figures of the past is mentally taxing especially as a child. It's why he needed other forms of validation which Palpatine preyed on through Snoke. It's why he chose the name Kylo Ren over Ben Solo. Ky-lo literally being taken from sKYwalker and soLO he is making a statement that he is rejecting and cutting away all the baggage from his old name relating to the past and his family, Ben relating to Obi-Wan, Luke and the Jedi and Solo relating to Han, Leia and the Rebellion. The name Kylo is a direct manifestation of his "let the past die" philosophy, he is embracing that he is less of a Skywalker and a Solo and more his own man, Ren signifying that he is the master of the Knights of Ren, and the master of his own destiny.
But as much as he says it he never got the validation he needed until Rey came along, someone who grew up in a situation where she was a nobody and only stayed there because she was comforted by the desire of wanting to be part of a family that would come back for her, the opposite of his situation. Rey had to learn to make her own family in spite of her background (it remains true for her being a nobody and Palpatine), which is also why she would accept him for being Ben Solo, not Kylo Ren. And in the grand scheme of things her being a Palpatine is just a way of tieing them both to the same great evil and it poetically represents the battle of generations between Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine. Anakin chose love and Palpatine chose control so in addition to Anakin's descendant in the end even his own descendant was against him.
Ben Solo's arc culimnates emotionally when he recognises that him gaining internal validity doesn't just involve him controlling his own destiny and forcing it on others instead it involves letting other people care and love for you like how each member of the Original Trio died to save him in the long term and it culimnated with Leia solidifying that he's not this monster that's too far gone and the memory of Han Solo giving him the ok. Which is why for his redemption to work it demanded that he sacrifice himself, he needs to save Rey even if it means dying to show how he isn't afraid of not being in the spotlight of destiny anymore. And as a final battle of the Skywalker Saga Ben Solo did what his grandfather Anakin Skyalker couldn't originally bring himself to do, save the ones he cared about from dying. Not by cheating death but by embracing it in the name of love.
Fulcrum 1138 Amen
Exactly. There's a reason 'Redemption Equals Death' is a trope. Given how overused it is, it's no longer interesting storytelling, it's just lazy. Of course, JJ and co. are utterly lacking in creativity so it isn't surprising that they went for the cliche. (Don't get me wrong, JJ is a decent director, but he *should not* be writing what he directs. He's terrible at it.)
@@angrbodaironwood718 Of course not. We should send the message that no matter how many wrong things you do you can get away scott free! Give me a break.
This was the only reasonable and dignified way that Ben could have gone out. For him to have gotten off scott free to set up a house and have kids with Rey is an insult to all the lives he's taken and people he's hurt. Going to prison would be humiliating. And having him traveling the galaxy like some penitent monk is out of character, that's not Kylo. He went out like a hero saving the woman he loved. And he went out in such a way that he can be brought back. Which is probably what will happen. He'll be given Revan's story and be mind wiped.
@@Bryan-dr5qy Friend this is wonderful! Very insightful.
Adam treating this role just as seriously as every other role is exactly why it came out so amazing, and is the only thing that really draws me to this trilogy. I feel like they could have fleshed out his character so much more and emphasized his and Rey's connection more. (And he definitely should not have died.) Those early designs of Kylo look so badass!
ITA
If Ben was going to die anyway couldn't he at least been the one to kill Palpatine, that would have been symbolic, meaningful for his family.
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Hell yeah!
I thought the same, I felt like he should have been the one at the end, not Rey, who had those final moments. Also I think if he had survived too that would have been amazing, even if he gave half his power to save her and she gave half hers to save him so they were equal, there's no way he should have died. I think if he killed Palpatine it would have been the perfect ending.
Scott Griffiths Or at the very least Ben should have been fighting Palpatine together with Rey
Yeah, Vader’s sacrifice was worthless because of him coming back
I think the death of Ben Solo would have gone over better if Adam Driver had been given more time and more dialogue as Ben. The fans felt cheated of Ben Solo as a character, since they only got a glimpse of it, which was enough to see that Adam Driver would have made the part distinct from Kylo Ren. They needed more Ben, in one context or another.
Ben Solo got one line....”ow”.
Killing Ben Solo was absolutely the stupidest decision narrative-wise and financially as well... He's the only truly remarkable character in this trilogy. They could've made him a space ronin, show his atonement, and milk that cow for another 30+ years through comics, books, animated series, movies... but nah. DLF is a dumpsterfire.
Right!!! I thought Disney would've made more money off of him by letting him live.. 😣 plus story-wise and continuiity. Everything you said I wholly agree.
I agree. If anyone should have died...it should have been Rey.
Ben/Kylo Ren could have then left, grieved over Rey, and move on to next scene. Then show Ben at the END of the movie (having returned to Luke's home planet) to bury Leia/Luke's light saber's!
Then the title would have made sense..."THE RISE OF SKYWALKER"!
Luke's nephew would have been the family member to RISE back to LIGHT side of the force!!!! YAY!
The End!
I had also heard a rumor that Adam Driver did NOT want to make any more SW movies and that is why character was killed off. Could that be true???
Yep but this is where you have to understand practically all of Hollywood lately is trying to push this agenda where Women are the best and on top now. Thats why they went with Rey and why it was always going to purely be about here here in these sequels. And well Disney love thier princesses.
@@judegross7624 No, it was George Lucas who was the first to come up with a Female Protagonist, in his Sequel Treatments that went through a few names. Early on his titular heroine would be called "Skylar", then he changed the name to "Thea", which is evidenced in very early concept art, when he was trying to flesh out his Sequel Trilogy story before he sold Lucasfilm to Disney.
Then when Disney bought Star Wars, they threw out Lucas' treatments, Micheal Arndt was brought in as screen writer and he came took a stab at the story evolving the character into "kira", then he couldnt nail anything down which worked and left. Thats when Kennedy hired JJ. Abrams and by that point the character had gone through so many changes, Lucas' original character of Skylar/Thea was long gone. And JJ worked Arndt's "Kira" character into Rey.
Dude did so much for this role he’s such amazing character the best ever
i agree Kylo Ren
Oh God Adam Driver looks So Sexy, Those Abs, I would Love to Cuddle Up In Bed with him, anytime.
Sally Martin shut up u thirsty girl
Did you just complement yourself?
Kylo Ren sorry bro but Anakin is the best
I feel like if Ben Solo had lived TROS would have been far more successful. In the words of George Lucas "If the boy and girl walk off into the sunset hand-in-hand in the last scene, it adds 10 million to the box office.”
Agreed, it probably wouldn't have received this much backlash (as long as they didn't make it toooo romcom and corny)
I spend my days obsessing over "Reylo" fanart dreaming of a different reality where that happened
or even if they have both defeated the emperor together because he was literally the last Skywalker and then Rey would've been the new one or something ... it would've made more sense
I feel like Rey should have turned evil after killing palpatine and Ben had to kill her and bury both the lightsabers and he’s a skywalker
I would have watched it multiple times in the theater if that had happened. As it was I stormed out of the theater nearly in tears. My hubby and his best friend completely taken aback by how angry I was. I was so mad that I couldn't rewatch it right away.
The best character in the sequel trilogy! Also I can't imagine Kylo being played by anyone else than Adam :)
I agree
Thx
A tragedy Adam and everyone else weren't given a proper story to truly making their acting shine.
their acting was fine enough
Too much characters in the sequel trilogy.
@@niallcraig6792 esp in Rise! Unnecessary.
Please nobody fight me but I rather like all the movies. Don’t get me wrong some are better than others. I have a few complaints but overall thought it was an ***okay-ish*** ending
A Day In The Life Of Kibbs me too! I think all the Star Wars movies are good!
Kylo Ren is my favorite character, and Adam Driver is my favorite actor! He absolutely slayed this role. I hear what JJ is saying about killing Ben off, but if more thought was put into it, there are ways they could keep him alive while still not having him fully forgiven for everything he did. You should never kill off characters simply out of convenience - especially not characters as beloved as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. I really hope they bring him back.
Kurly Kayla yes! I can relate to everything you said. I still have the hope 🙌 there are some legit theories on his comeback
@@katarinaserbentas I have hope too! Even if it's just for one standalone film, I'll be satisfied!
Ben Solo will be back. He and Adam are worth a fortune, and DLF knows it. He and the character are money in the bank.
Though the whole cast has expressed the end of the Skywalkers storyline, maybe by some twist of fate,Lucasfilms/Disney will change their mind.Who knows? maybe we'll see Ben Solo living as a hermit because he thought he didn't deserve redemption.And that the death scene was only an illusion cast by him Luke Skywalker style.Then Rey finds out he's actually alive, and by some glorious reason, Ben Solo needs to be found because he's the last Skywalker.That in itself is a nice plot.So many possibilities.....
@@kurlykayla9013 definitely agree with u girl, there has to be a way for him to be alive somehow, he's the last living skywalker rey has to find him some way! x
One of the best characters in the saga
Are you serious? Lmao
I agree with this!
TEA SPILLED Kylo ren as a character is top 3 characters in Star Wars
Kylo Ren Sorry you can’t compare Kylo Ren to Anakin,Leia,Luke,Yoda,Palpatine,Vader,Obi-Wan,Ahsoka Tano or any other character
from the original films or even prequels or Clone Wars
Even if I strongly disagree, I'm glad you enjoyed this character
I honestly don’t think they were expecting Driver to steal the show like he did. It’s like he WAS Kylo Ren. I want to see his story. The Knights of Ren, their story. I want THAT movie. I’ve read it all and I know it but on the big screen, what a movie that would be. Given that Driver has said numerous times he wouldn’t play the role again, I guess that dream is dead. Any one else playing this role wouldn’t do it for me. He seriously brings it to any role he plays. And he’s a Marine so, there’s that 🇺🇸
Imagine this: Rey dies after killing the Emperor, Ben fails to ressurrect her. So Ben Solo becoming the Last Jedi. He restores the Jedi Order once he destroyed and trains bunch of people including Finn and The Broom Boy. But first he needs to redeem himself in the eyes of the good guys. Especially to people like Finn and Poe after somewhat causing the demise of their beloved Rey. Without Leia, Rey or anyone to stood up for him. Imagine this master and apperantice dynamics between Ben and Finn. With that Ben Solo, truly Rises as Skywalker. This would have been gave the Mary Sue the Space Jesus some depth and makes Ben's redemption more meaningful. Also he would finish what his grandfather started. Redeeming himself with restoring not merely dying.
"Adam Driver's performance will go down as the best thing about the sequel trilogy." AMEN TO THAT!! Kylo Ren is 100% of the reason I became a Star Wars fan. The sequel trilogy is mostly only as good as that character's screen time. :-)
He is decent
I would have let Rey die and kept Ben. That twist would have been epic.
While I wouldn't want Rey to die, it would have added meaning to the title in an interesting way.
@@angrbodaironwood718 Sure, I love Rey myself too. But for the story it would have been much better, more unexpected, and the stakes proven to be much higher. It would have shocked the F out of people and made Rey an even more meaningful character. Then we would have got Ben going to the homestead.
Or they could both live lol
@@ilovemana143 yeah but rey living was obvious
BigBoy exactly EXACTLY!
This man is an ACTOR, he uses every muscle in his face to define the emotions in the character
BRING BACK BEN SOLO I MISS HIM😭😭😭💔💔💔
#BringBenSoloBack
Nefeli V. Gtfo disgusting reylos
No he killed millions
@@realnanidoe There are characters who has done way worse, yet Kylo can't come back? Kyp Durron killed billions, and thats fine with you?
@@HenryLouis21 kylo killed millions like vader he cant come back
Adam Driver is the best thing about the sequels and Ben Solo deserved so much better
Killing off this character was a huge mistake. Ben Solo was the best character of this trilogy, and Adam Driver portrayed him so well. They absolutely ruined his redemption arc. I miss Ben.😭😭😭😭😭😭 Also can we appreciate 0:09 ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Edit: Wow thanks for all the likes!
Edit 2: 205 likes?! Damn that’s a lot! Thank y’all so much!
they don't need him any more because the trilogy ended.
Iron Kamekaze stfu
Killing him was a huge mistake, but the biggest mistake of them all imo is how they handled it.. He died and nobody ever mentioned him again. Rey has no sad feelings and everyone is partying. Not even a force ghost Ben.. I can’t with this movie :(
@@lc4152 I don't know maybe because he tried to murder them all and he policed every world creating a massive war where he goes to extents such as burning small villages it isn't like he's a good guy.
Kelly Jung ikr. It’s almost like his death was unsignificant .
My favorite character in the new series! Adam is so good
I feel like kylo was the main character of this trilogy. And I love his personality and his story arc force powers like mind probe. Stopping a blaster bolt and best of all his lightsaber
Not to mention keeping his thoughts hidden from Snoke and bringing Rey back to life -- something his grandfather was willing to sell his soul to learn.
@@indranidasgupta8982 ture
That lightsaber spinning of Kylo is satisfying tbh
This is silly but I love Ben's shirt at the end of the movie 😂 it looks so comfy
I've heard it said that Adam Driver's back really hurt after Rise of Skywalker because he carried that trilogy. That is the truth! Then JJ killed Ben Solo - what a joke.
Kylo/Ben was the best thing in this trilogy. Ben Solo will be back, adam driver will be back as Ben Solo and I predict he will have script approval ;) I mean come on, this film outside of his performance blew balls.
i thought there was only 3 films every trilogy? and adam driver said he was done with star wars :( hoping he comes back tho ALIVE
0:06 Anyone else can't get enough of that beat?
whats the name of it?🤣
One of the few highlights of the Sequel Trilogy. Adam did a wonderful job.
Your last line... Agreed. His performances made this trilogy!
I really wish they had stuck with Rian's direction for the character, as I think it made him much more interesting, and presented so many more unique for Star Wars story possibilities, as opposed to a watered down Darth Vader arc. I mean seriously his arc is damn near identical to Vader. Would have been far more interesting for him to be the primary antagonist. I also hate that they reforged the mask because him destroying the mask was the admission that even though he was desperately trying to emulate Vader, he never could be him. He was setting his own path, and destiny. This was far more compelling in a story, as wall as meta-textual sense.
Noah East Agreed
I wish the RoS was done better, JJ had another shot at a Star Wars film and made the worst one to date
Noah East yeah and JJ only brought the mask back cause they put a lot of effort into designing it??? R u kidding?? Never mind the storyline, what matters is obviously them sulking and getting their way 🤦🏻♀️
Yep, and the decision of making Rey a nobody was one of the better decisions in the sequel trilogy too. The fact they had to make Rey a Palpatine is a bit bloodline-obsessed. Can't true power come from small places? Anakin was just a boy in a desert planet when he was discovered, can't Rey just be a random girl too?
@@MilA-eh3gf I think it would have been boring in a way. I was confused at that fact but they always talked about her parents in a way that there must have been something behind it. I expected something shocking because otherwise it would have been really boring. I don't know why it must have been Palpatine because for me it made no big sense, but that she wasn't just a nobody was fine
For me best character of the saga! And the best acted by ADAM. 💙💙🖤🖤
Because you have a crush on him doesn't make him the best character
@@Chespin-gc1rf you know nothing about me dude so fuck off
@@margaret7504 "fuck off" yes its kinda noticeable that you do
@@Chespin-gc1rf 🤣 ok..
@@margaret7504 Sorry for adding such a unnecessary response to your comment.
I missed this series, keep up the great man, you taking the time to do all this inner research is amazing and well appreciated
Thanks man. I had a daughter and the channel kinda fell by the wayside, but she's 18 months old now and easier to handle, plus might as well make the most of not being able to work during this crazy pandemic :P thanks again, I really appreciate it
Behind Star Wars, that’s great, family first
Ladies and gentlemen, he has returned!
After an entire year!
@@nizownis wait what??
@@thekinggamer488 the guy who made the video, he disappeared for an entire year
Adam takes his roles very seriously. Great.
I think the overall idea and character arc of Kylo Ren is great, probably the best thing about the Sequel Trilogy, and his design in The Force Awakens is amazing. But they really butchered his potential, especially in the Rise of Skywalker (what wasn't butchered in that movie?).
minerVSzombies the visual effects I guess and the sound track. Other than YIKES
I agree
Rian Johnsons vision for the character was far more unique and compelling IMO. JJ just made him a watered down Vader copy. He had the potential to be in the top 5 of Star Wars characters with good writing, and Drivers magnificent performance, but naturally JJ squandered it.
@@noaheast7600 I agree. The best thing Rian did in ep. 8 was Kylo's arc
@@noaheast7600 Totally, I thought it was so cool when Kylo killed Snoke and took over the First Order (I didn't like how Snoke was killed so easily, but I didn't even like Snoke as a character to begin with, so I was fine with that). Kylo should have been the main antagonist of The Rise of Skywalker, but instead we got the Emperor for no good reason and this Reylo BS.
7:15 that is sweet that he just wants to watch force awakens with Daisy and Carrie.
And that's why Kylo Ren is my favorite sequel character. He was acted so well. Adam put his heart and soul into this character much like his other roles. All of his emotions felt so real the entire time I watched the movies. Not to mention the Knights of Ren scene. I LOVED the Knights of Ren scene so much, I had a huge stupid smile the entire time.
6:12 actually in AOTC when Anakin and dooku are fighting in the dark they are using illuminated blades instead of the painted metal ones, which is why you can see the glow of red and blue on their faces
Thanks for this! I have been never been so invested in a character before, thanks to Adam Driver. Such an amazing character, hope they bring him back.
Adam Driver as Kilo was the absolute best thing about this Star Wars trilogy.
Great video, as always! I guess he replied his mask twice as it was destroyed in The Force Awakens, too. He left it on the walkway after killing his dad, so it went up with Starkiller Base. Of course, an hour later when The Last Jedi starts, he has it once again. I guess he has a room full of them.
Probably but I do like that he specifically repairs the one he broke
They had something great with Kylo
at first I wanted him and Rey to be siblings or cousins but after seeing TROS and seeing them act as if they were in love I would've liked them getting together at the end and having a true Skywalker baby or babies to set up a new trilogy
BADD BUNNY yes yes yes
Not to mention that Rian Johnson literally said that the hand touching scene in TLJ was “the closest thing to a sex scene in Star Wars”
Sounds rather shit.
Kylo Ren will always be my favorite Star Wars character because of how layered he is! Right from the first movie we know he’s torn from the light and the dark! He’s like Claude Frollo from Hunchback with a bit more understanding for his motives. And of course Adam Driver did a FANTASTIC JOB playing the character
Great video man; I agree that Adam's portrayal is the best thing about the sequel trilogy, hands down
Adam is the only reason I will ever re-watch the last trilogy.
Man these videos are good, you should 100% upload more often because these videos are really awesome!!
I love the Kylo/Ben character. Going in to TROS I didn’t want Reylo to happen or Ben to be redeemed but the way JJ did it was beautiful. Adam deserves all the praise for this role and should get awards for it too
Maybe if people saw your videos the Star Wars Fandom wouldn't literally be at war with each other. You are a legend.
I still can't get over how they killed Ben Solo/kylo ren. So much potential awful decision. Great trilogy. 👍🏼
GREAT TRILOGY!? hahahahhahahaa what a horrible failiure these movies were garbage and ruined starwars, full of mary sues and wasted potential.
@@jeronimoepic2946 if you don't have anything nice to say then don't reply, no-one cares about your negativity …. Mia I completely agree, killing Ben was a bad decision but it really is a great Trilogy, I got them on dvd so I can watch them all the time, I like all the star wars movies to be honest, old and new.
@@EmmaWilliams2 no one asked, no one cares, fuck off
@@EmmaWilliams2 its terrible u cant deny that
@@jeronimoepic2946 it's trolls like you that ruin the internet
They need a sequel, killing off Ben ruined the fans. The fans make Star Wars what it is!
shut up reylo
@Jimb0 I don't ship Reylo and I was mad about his death
I was just not suprised, i was hoping rey would die, but the sequals r trash and they killed off the one good character
Ben Solo deserves to be alive, because he really deserves a second chance, plus, he really cares for Rey, he wants to be with her. They both deserve to be together, they do make a wonderful couple & they both deserve a nicer & brighter future together. Adam Driver did a wonderful job as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. #StarWars #SaveBenSolo #BringBenSoloBack #reylo #AdamDriver #DaisyRidley
Kylo Ren had so much potential, and I absolutely love the design. A worthy successor in visual design. Too bad there wasn't a clear plan for the sequel trilogy.
I definitely think Adam Driver carried much of the Sequal Trilogy on his shoulders.
I hope Adam has a really good chiropractor because his back must be absolutely wrecked from carrying the entire trilogy
6:14 Everytime I see Adam like this, I truly would have welcomed a stand-alone story about Kylo Ren as long as Adam plays the character again.
10:01 Yeah I had heard that Kylo Ren was supposed to get a droid in the early stages of TROS, but.....
13:58 Was it really JJ's decision to kill off Ben or Kennedy's ....such a mess.
#BenSoloDeservedBetter
WHO ELSE LOVES THE LAST JEDI
Just You.
Me
MEEEE YEAAAAAAAHHH
Franchise Fanatic it’s the best Star Wars film next to Empire honestly. Star Wars fans are such idiots for hating it. At least the critics loved it.
Loved it
To be honest, the best thing about the new Star Wars that the general public got aware of Adam Driver's incredible talent. That's about it.
My favorite character in all of star wars. I hope they do more with him, he was the best character in the sequels
Best character ever
12:42 well I was very disappointed to see BEN SOLO taken away and destroyed so quickly. 😤
Me watching this video
*see Adam* instantly crying...
I want all the deleted scenes in Star Wars to be added, all of them, on Disney +
This one is my favorite. Love these videos. Thank you.
Matt the Radar Technician really got it going for him
I need a full series of Ben Solo, Mandalorian and baby Yoda ❤️
Great video! I wish Ben Solo had more screentime.
the cheapest move was killing ben so stupidly. he got beat up so much to the point he couldn’t even live when he saved Rey. it’s stupid. he had such a good storyline ahead and a redemptation time too. it was so sad.
From 0:06 to 0:11 I totally thought I'd clicked on the wrong Star Wars thing and had to double check it wasn't a Ben Solo thirst post, BAHA HA HA!
I am SO happy that Kylo kept his hair.
Great work as always!
Indeed
Great to see you back dude! interesting video as always! - Also your voice is very relaxing - reminds me of ASMR!
Wow! This is a great video. I clicked on it thinking that it was just behind stuff on TROS and did not expect it to be this insightful.
This was awesome! Thank you!
Best thing to came out this trilogy is kylo ren and the casting of Adam
Extremely interesting. Thanks for the upload!
Can't believe they actually added the shirtless scene at the last minute merely for the thirst factor 😂😂
Hi can i ask what is the female term for simp
AMEN! Adam Driver was the best thing from new Star War trilogy
Thanks for making these videos. They are pretty helpful and interesting and hearing you speak about various things from the series. I'd be curious to see an addendum of sorts to certain videos that have since gained some additional material following their release like Maul or Sidious. I'd be curious to see a full sequel trilogy breakdown of the various changes and concepts.
Damn most of the cut/not used shit is honestly a lot cooler than what we got imo
Honestly Adam was the only guy who actually learned stuff about Jedi.
JJ and costume designer Michael Kaplan being pissed that Rian had Kylo destroy his mask so early in TLJ is like a toddler crying when the ocean dissolved the sand castle he built too close to the waves. Also, it illustrates a total and complete misunderstanding of what Rian was trying to do with Kylo’s character. Adam Driver deserved better than TROS. Everything he did in that movie as Ben Solo, I attribute entirely to his intuitive understanding of and empathy with the character as he and Rian saw him.
I have been waiting for uploads for so long, thanks!
Kylo was such a good character concept with such a good actor. Shame to see it go to waste.
I can agree. His performance was amazing
I really feel that they dropped the ball by leaving out the Force ghost of Luke Skywalker messing with/inside Kylo Ren's head in Rise of Skywalker. That was a genius idea that I would have loved to see onscreen
Adam Drivers performance was one of the best things about the sequel trilogy and it could have been better, but they kept him weak and winey so that he wouldn't overshadow Rey. That's why he lost twice to her. Luke was also dominated by Rey with a saber for the same reason. In an interview with Filoni and Pablo Hidalgo, they discussed the plan of subverting expectations and making Leia the Obi One mentor figure instead of Luke, sending the message that the future is the Matriarchy.
The one good thing JJ Abrams did whille directing a Star Wars film was the casting. All of the actors on this trilogy are so great and Adam Driver is just the best.
I didn´t like the way Kylo/Ben finished in the story. I think he should've had faced the consequences of his actions instead of just die. Actually Kylo Ren/Ben Solo is my favorite character in this triolgy but I didn´t notice Adam Driver's tremendous talent until I watched him in Marriage Story. Now I see he did his best with the role but he could have gotten higher with it. I know this is Disney but a darker perspective could be just amazing.
The concept drawings are so cool :)
"As well as be memorable by a child"
We see where their priorities are.
Just found this channel and I’m immediately a huge fan. Could you please do a C3PO video? I think it would be really cool to see
I love, that you included Ben Swolo :D
This is an awsome behind the scenes video. I agree with your analysis regarding Kylo Rens story ending.
Wow we need a Ben Solo or kylo Ren movie. There are so many good ideas that were omitted
when they killed him off i got up and walked out of the cinema
I sat there thinking it was a horrible dream
as you should!
@@pineappleollie5642 I got so angry.
who asked?
@@Volzarok no one but we are responding to OUR opinions
I LOVE Adam Driver.
Kylo Ren was a perfect character and I love your voice.
I think the earliest form of kylo is in Jacen solo from the old EU.
Edit: still this is a good video mate. Keep up the good work. 👍
Dude I really love your channel and crave content exactly like yours. Well edited, well narrated and great footage choice as well. Love to your new family from Germany!
The fact that they didn't show his force ghost gives me hope that he may either not be dead (and just like teleported [vendor has weird chasm things that allow this but i don't remember the whole story] or in the world between worlds or something) or we can at least see his ghost in future movies. Although, I think this was the last one and they won't have these characters in the future movies which really sucks :/ Ben deserved more than that.