We were WRONG about The Last Jedi - Video Essay
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2020
- We were wrong about The Last Jedi. But why did it take so long for us to know?
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yes we were wrong. we were wrong thinking it was a good idea to go see this movie and pay kathleen kennedy for this.ASLO
5:30 in 5th episode yoda told us everything we should know about the Force but i guess you forgot about that so your narrative would sound better huh?
6:09 Your argument here is manipulative, Rey doesnt hate Luke because hes trying to teach her that the force is neither good or bad, she straight out hated on Luke because of what happened with Kylo Ren, and yet she doesnt hate on Kylo for all the bad, killing he has done she runs to him.
Too many things that dont make sense in this movie. Like why does Yoda say that Rey possesses all she needs or something, claiming she has those books? Yet back in the OT he begged Luke not to go after Vader saying he wasnt ready and needed to complete his "Training". Explain that please do.
So just cause Rey has a bunch of old Jedi books she has all she needs and is ready, yet shes very emotional, shes hot headed and as we eventually learn has Sith blood within her, she already demonstrated a sith ability by striking that FO transport and that was with just a small bolt of force lightning.
But if you want to tell me that TROS doesnt matter here and that this video is exploring only TLJ. I'd have to tell you thats pretty damn ignorant because TLJ itself shoots down where TFA was taking things.
What about the force vision and Rey appearing in the corridors of Bespin seeing events of the past that she wasnt even around in. Yes Yoda did say the force can show us glimpses of the past and future, so why is Rey seeing such things that she wasnt even part of?
You cant just ignore the episode that came before because this is meant to be a "Sequel Trilogy", these episodes are meant to flow seemlessly telling one whole concluding part of a bigger story overall.
If all you're doing is focusing on what you see in TLJ and why you think its now so great, trying to justify your reasons and tell us how TLJ is so good and right now because we now have TROS. Your video essay is weird why you've done it now after ep9 came out. This video should have been done like ages ago.
@@RaikenXion you are very strong and wise, and im very proud of you(you know the reference).
11:18 Its not thats its a formula we all dont get its that they force this in here within a epic on going Saga that was about the Skywalkers
And 12:00 Sorry but if that was the whole point to make us all angry at how Luke turned out, WHY do that!?
Look what all that led to "hate, then suffering" for all us fans. Look at all the hate the crazy feminists, sjws and media hurled upon us fans who got angry at TLJ afterward. Look at the split it caused in the fanbase, look at the reactionary way inwhich episode 9 was then executed. You think TROS pleases most us TLJ haters!?
Im laughing that episode 9 retconned most of whatever TLJ was trying to do, purely because TLJ did the same to ep7.
Geez your video essay just really doesnt make sense, i really think you should do another, much longer essay on TLJ. What was the point in ep 8 being purely about lessons in failure!? How then should episode 9 have played out, roughly to you!? Please explain cause this is just wracking my brain here.
So failure to go against evil teaches how futile it is and we must accept it and let past of struggled go? And I can trust Rayan gets it, especially seeing how he treats fans and after his recent comments how everything he done in this movie was spur of the moment.
Sorry, but he could achieve his goals with planning what to do in future and without shi**ing on legacy.
Lesson that failure teaches I got from my father, but insanity of repeating failures while expecting different results was pointed by Einstein. Last Jedi teaches me nothing new or nothing I would want to learn.
Star Wars fans: Episode A sucks
Star Wars fans: Episode B sucks; Episode A wasn't as bad as we thought
Star Wars fans: Episode C sucks; Episode B wasn't as bad as we thought
This is so true!
@@freelookmode9837 not true for the prequels but true for the sequels
@@Replica_Films2000 lets be honest, back in their time, many people though very similar. Excluding the third step of course.
A B and C all suck
Prequels were the opposite really.
Talking about star wars isn't fun anymore, because of a line you said: I was so angry. Why did this guy love something I hated so much?
Cuz he is doing the directors job by figuring out the story and filling gaps
...and that diminishes the work better writers put into their craft.
@@kingofchris Or his job as a thinking human being. Maybe...
@@crepperwlp well, its cool to try to figure put a lot from a movie but only if there are content, not thinkinh about ways to fill empty content
@@kingofchris But... the content is all there. All that he's saying in the video is in the movie...
"How dare he like something I hated so much!"
Star Wars fandom in a nutshell
That's being a bit simplistic. It's more like "I have the right to criticize 'Star Wars' but you have no right to criticize my criticisms!"
"The Last Jedi", by itself, isn't a bad movie. But it isn't by itself. It's part of a larger story, and that is where it fails. It fits in with the rest of the story about as well as chapter eight of 'Pride and Prejudice' would fit in with the rest of the novel had that chapter been written by Earnest Hemingway.
"We all hated 'The Last Jedi'"....Not me, mate. I loved it from day one. Welcome aboard.
Queer😂😂
Same. I loved it and think it’s the best one
@@michaelmeredith912 how's it feel having shit taste and not understanding Star Wars?😂
@rcdune7132 how's it feel being apart if the same dogmatic thinking that the movie is critiquing and literally what caused Darth Vader to come into existence?
@@PixelCrabs how's it feel being a complete and utter R3tard?😂 Haha seriously tell me you know absolutely nothing about Star Wars or George Lucas without telling me you know absolutely nothing about Star Wars or George Lucas 🤦🏻... You Disney lovers are all the same
When we left the cinema, I said to my wife "if the story ended there, I'd be perfectly happy. I don't need another film".
Little did I know, how right I was .
Same lol. When I re-watch the series, this will be the movie that ends the series for me. I just... Cannot with TROS.
I would have been satisfied with The Last Jedi to be the last film if there wasn't to many lose ends that needed to be resolved. Rian Johnson should have directed Episode 9 and totally ended the saga perfectly💙 But of course the biased and toxic fans had JJ Abrams direct Rise of Skywalker, which i quite liked but he ruined some of the things in the story and played to safe/typical. The ideas were good but the execution could have been a lot better UwU
Honestly, it's the better ending.
Felt and now feel exactly the same. 😉
8 is the actual finale to me.
Regardless of my opinion, it takes real guts to publicly retract your statements. Kudos man.
Thank you! I appreciate it. I honestly want to see more people really question their own perspectives, I think that's where it gets REALLY interesting!
Production Journal “That’s good. You’ve taken your first step into a larger world” -Old Ben Kenobi, 1977
@@ProductionJournal I'll correct your incorrect notion that the 'Force' is neutral, not good nor bad. This has become a common misconception, but is not at all as Lucas intended:
"May through Force be with you". Obiwan and later on Luke says this. Is this to wish you 'good' luck or 'bad' luck or 'neutral' luck?
"For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. " Yoda in ESB. Now is Yoda good or evil? And so if the 'Force' is his ALLY, therefore it must also be 'good'.
“It was the will of the Force, of that I have no doubt.” Qui-Gon in TPM.
So when Qui-Gon says he believes Anakin is the 'chosen one' to 'bring balance' to the Force, to the Jedi Council this means one who will defeat the darkness to leave only light. That's clearly the WILL of the Force, to defeat evil and thus bring 'balance'.
The Sith instead of obeying the 'Will of the Force', they try to bend it to suit their own selfish needs. Yet the 'Force' is there to maintain the needs of ALL living things in peaceful harmony. When the Sith warp the Force's will to suit their own, they bring about imbalance, and corruption. In short, evil.
"The Force was basically distilling all the world's religious beliefs, spiritual beliefs, all around the world, all through time...Finding the similarities and using an easy to deal with metaphor for what religion is." George Lucas interview with Charlie Rose, 2015.
@@mr.safensound4238 okay?
@@ProductionJournal 😂 Yeh ok.
I’m going to be honest I think we’re in a very different film critique culture, at least on UA-cam. I call it the “plot hole *ding*” form of critique. Where we focus so much on plot that there’s no room for themes, characterization, cinematography, acting effects etc (this is just a general statement not an indictment of every film critic on UA-cam). It’s to the point where I don’t believe the original Star Wars would even be liked on UA-cam if it was released today
Film landscape has changed vastly since the 70's and critics changed accordingly. To say that the original Star Wars films would underperform today I believe is mostly true. Certainly a product of its time.
It was an absolute shitshow of terrible criticism. Everyone is in their right to dislike any movie as much as they do, but if your arguments for why it's supposedly "objectively bad" are just as applicable to any other Star Wars movie something's going very wrong.
I'd love to have a conversations with people about the movie who actually have some decent argument for it.
The types of people I'm seeing either enjoy it, don't care to talk about it, or are so set on proving that it's a crime against art and humanity that they pretend the villain's motive is the motive of the movie instead of what the wise guy from the previous movies coming back from the dead said to literally explain the message of the movie.
The Last Jedi is not subtle.
Heads up, long comment:
I'm one of those who really connected with THE LAST JEDI from the start. But I can't explain it without saying what was happening in my personal life:
My father had ALS and Christmas 2017, he was pretty much at the end stages of that horrible disease. To see a man who I'd looked up to, who made me the man I am today, reduced to a broken shell of a human-being, unable to walk, unable to talk, brought me to the absolute abyss of depression, our whole family really. Needless to say, we decided to take him, in a wheel-chair, to go see The Last Jedi (He'd seen every Star Wars film from the original back in '77). Seeing the heroic Luke Skywalker lose his faith and be shrouded in such darkness (maybe one of Mark Hamill's most brilliant on-screen performances)... boy could I relate to that. I still remember looking to my dad after the film, asking him what he thought. With his one good hand, he was able to smile and give a thumbs up. It the last time he ever saw a film in a move theatre.
So you can imagine how disheartening it was to see the entire collective of the internet trash this film and say "This film killed my childhood" (all while my actual childhood literally died before my eyes with my father). And to be fair, I do agree with those criticisms. RedLetterMedia's review of the film is spot on. Years later when RISE OF SKYWALKER came out, it only reminded me how much LAST JEDI left them with nowhere to go. I just came to finally give up on Star Wars.
I have got to say, this review put everything back in perspective for me. You did a great job reconnecting the themes of failure and the nature of good and evil. Big thumbs up from me! Well made.
I'm sorry to hear about your Father but that sounds like such a heartwarming and uniquely loving experience! I'm glad the movie could do that for you two! ♥️
I don’t know why people bounced so hard off the Luke thing. Logan hit on very similar story beats (former hero, fallen from grace and living a destitute life while the world has gone to shit, and then has to serve as reluctant mentor to young girl with same powers as him) and people loved it.
I'd also disagree with the criticism about the ending. It left them with everywhere to go. The primary galactic conflict still exists, there's still a First Order and a Resistance, but now they're both helmed by our main characters. The war now becomes more personal for them than ever.
Sorry about your dad though, pretty heartwrenching read but glad he enjoyed the movie.
@@mandarinduck Logan is a different character man
@@CynicallyObnoxious what difference does that make?
May your father rest in peace
I've been watching so many Last Jedi reviews I'm now getting recommended videos from tiny channels with less than 1,000 subscribers. I like this.
🤣 well I'm glad it came your way!
I never hated The Last Jedi
In real life, almost no one did. Inside the internet bubble, these guys think "a few hundred of my subscribers and a couple of channels I follow" means "everyone".
@ I hate it in real life
@@alexkenchel "Almost no one". You do you.
@ I hated it in real life.
@ completely right
All the over reactions caused episode 9 to be a worse movie. They should have stuck with Rey being a nobody and the themes of grey area and true balance.
I’m pretty sure it was TLJ ending/answering every overarching plot point despite being the middle film in a trilogy that did that. Like there was no story to continue at all other than heroes must defeat the villains, no other setup. Hence you get episode 9
@@matthewtrujillo3309 There was plenty for them to do. TLJ left the door wide open for nearly any plot one could possibly imagine and have it work, and they chose the one plot that wouldn't because they were so fixated on acting like TLJ didn't happen. All to satisfy a bunch of blind haters who never would have been satisfied by even the best movie it is humanly possible to create.
@@immortalfrieza smh, there is literally no plot to continue, no real setup whatsoever. Why do you think TROS felt rushed? Because there’s no possible payoff for a finale since every overarching plot element from TFA was either answered or ignored in TLJ, that’s why the first half of TROS spent its whole time coming up with brand new plot elements in order to have some semblance of a prolonged narrative. TLJ is literally a film where the characters end up in the exact same position they were in at the beginning of the film: running from the first order (textbook wheel spinning).
I’m sorry, but if people can criticize the logic, character development, plot holes, narrative consistency, even the damn choreography among other critiques, you by no means made the best movie possible
@@matthewtrujillo3309 Bull. Shit. There was plenty TLJ left off with that they could've and should've based the third movie off of.
For example, the Resistance at the end of the movie is reduced down to a handful. The Resistance building themselves back up from that could've created enough plot for an entire trilogy or TV series just by itself, not to mention sufficient for one more movie. Instead, RoS just sends Resistance back to pre TLJ levels without even a handwave as to how they got from next to nothing to something that could stand toe to toe with the Big Bad's fleet.
As for others, Rey was in position to begin training Force Sensitives and create a new, better version of the Jedi Order. Rey being a nobody means the potential for characters to actually matter goes up. Finn is now both devoted to the Resistance completely and has a love interest, both of which could've been explored. Poe evolved into an actual leader (the one part of TLJ they didn't get dead on) and next we get to see just how he leads. Kylo Ren is now the head of The First Order but has lost a great deal of respect, a civil war would be a perfect backdrop to the third movie. Luke's sacrifice inspires the galaxy down to the kids to rebel against The First Order... I could go on for quite a while.
If anything TLJ left way TOO MUCH to work with to possibly be wrapped up in a single movie, not too little. All that potential ended up pissed away by retconning or ignoring everything TLJ did, for the sole purpose of trying to appease a microscopic minority of "fans" that never intended to like any of the Sequel Trilogy to begin with and hated it for no other reason than because they exist.
And that's just what I, a random person on the internet came up with in 5 minutes. People whose actual JOB it is to do this? It should've been a cakewalk for them to come up with something worthwhile for the third movie.
The issue is they didn't want to acknowlege TLJ EXISTED, not that it didn't set anything up. Anyone claiming otherwise is either just unjustifiably shitting on The Last Jedi and trying to justify the unjustifiable crap that Rise of Skywalker was or both.
@@immortalfrieza That's why you gotta let the directors do their fucking job
People got so heated about the Thala-Siren scene. As soon as someone mentions Luke milking an animal as a reason to hate TLJ, I know they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Just because you get off to alien milking or character assassination, doesn’t mean that’s a normal opinion
@@SteveSmith-rt7wx oh look, someone proving my point.
@@samuelfett1436based lol. Also the guys an idiot XD Luke milking a space alien wasn't character assassination at all. Lol it was just a fun comedic gag. XD
They know what they are talking about. None are saying that is the ONLY reason. That was just the last straw, the one that broke the camel’s back. The most visceral of a hundred reasons. Maybe you don’t understand.
@@samuelfett1436he did not prove your point. Character assassination is what people are angry about. Luke came across as a pathetically angry hermit.
“we”? no sir, i liked it from the start
X2
kylo ren Thank you Kylo 🙏
@First Name Last Name I mean I loved all the scenes of the movie!
I liked it. Then it grew on me. Now I think it's the best one. What's wrong with me?
@@martinprehn9353 Nothing . Nothing at all
I love what they did with the Force, "And this is the lesson. That Force does not belong to the Jedi. To say that if the Jedi die, the light dies, is vanity. Can you feel that?"
Why did the source material need to be disrespected in the manner it did, just to say a message we all should've realized from the goddamn prequels?
The jedi failed in the prequels. OBVIOUSLY they don't represent the ultimate balance of the force.
What moron ever felt that way tho? Honestly with the "But nobodies can do stuffs and and and force isnt just Jedi waaah" like did those people really ever fucking watch Star Wars I really want to know where the mind set came from so I can dog it into the ground
Except the Jedi have never said that they are the light side. This has literal never been a thing and it’s obvious Rian Johnson doesn’t understand the source material.
Jedi seek to become one with the force. Sith seek to enslave and twist it. That's why their eyes turn red when they misuse it. The original point was selflessness and wisdom are more desirable attributes than lust for power and unbridled passion. Rian Johnson lost sight of that.
I thought it was beautiful and resonance what Yoda said about the Force not being about the flesh. Luke was right, the Jedi continually over stretched their authority. The set up of this movie was great; however, the ending and pay offs for plot points seemed rushed and almost as if he had one week to tie everything up.
"we all hated the last Jedi"
I thought it was Rad then and I think it's rad now
What is "rad" about "we don't win by fighting, we win by saving the things we love..."? That's literally the dumbest sjw unicorn rainbow sprinkled glittery shit line in any movie I've ever heard meanwhile robbing Finn of the most heroic self sacrifice saves ever. I'm so glad they redeemed him in ROS and basically gave Rose the finger.
It's a great film
@@gunnilingus2596 Aww, did someone's opinion trigger you?
@@gunnilingus2596
Sprinkled Glittery DING
Unicorn Rainbow DING DING
SJW DINGDINGDING WE HAVE A WINNER!
But seriously: what kind of person doesn't love rainbow unicorns and sparkly things?
@@gunnilingus2596 That line, my friend, was said by Irvin Kirshner, the director of ESB. Rian just quoted him.
Longtime Star Wars viewer.
What people don't remember even though it was just over a half a decade ago: The prequel trilogy was once the most hated series of films in existence.
What people remember even less, prior to 93-95: The Return of the Jedi was considered one of the worst blockbuster films of all time... except for The Empire Strikes Back.
Star Wars fans seem to have hated every single sequel or prequel at one point or another only to change their minds later.
Who likes the prequel trilogy now? I still hate it except for Sith.
@@breaks0 From what I've seen? A lot of people in their 20s and maybe early 30s who grew up with the prequel trilogy. They love the prequels, whereas older fans often didn't care for it (or in some cases, outright despised it). It'll be the same thing for the sequel trilogy.
@@breaks0 My fucking math teacher
Finn and Poe actually have their own arc. Finn is on his own hero’s journey. Call to action, rejecting it and being selfish and eventually seeing what’s going on in the world and learning to join the team. That was the purpose of canto bight. Poe goes from hothead easy solutions without thinking about consequences to learning about responsibility and leadership. Those parts may seem boring if you’re looking from action POV, but they were character building. TLJ was much more character driven.
Exactly, the movie would hardly be the same without those moments
Finn is on his own heros journey... To be led stopped from any semblance of free will and controlled by Rose the entire movie. She stops him getting into the escape pod, she tells him what and what isn't worth it, she even ensures he can't even die how he wishes. Yes, such the hero.
Poe is much the same way. He, with his childish insults actually gets something done in the beginning of the movie. The entire rest of the movie he's chastised for not following directions and taking initiative. Only to see the female admiral sacrifice even more, the whole last capital ship and only one with a hyperdrive, to essentially do the same thing as Poe did but if celebrated. And no, just because she takes out more ships doesn't make it better, as her sacrifice was much greater and no one got away due to it. Yes... Heroes.
@@VermonsteredRose is one of multiple influences on Finn. She's the true believer. His whole arc in TLJ is being tested and tempted. He rejects the call, reluctantly answers the call to help his friend, learns multiple perspectives on the conflict he's found himself in, and reaches apotheosis at the climax. Standard hero's journey.
Poe has a juvenile view on leadership and taking risks. He thinks he knows more about what needs to be done and is unwilling to truly listen to anyone. He believes people who are more risk-averse to be cowards. When his plan fails, and in the end he sees that the person he was butting heads with was not a coward, but was willing to sacrifice when necessary, he learned a deeper meaning of leadership. Holdo didn't exist to make Poe look bad, she existed entirely as a mirror for Poe. If there is any complaint to be had about that character, it's that she was otherwise empty. She only existed to serve his arc.
And that you can't see the difference between Poe making an unnecessary sacrifice of someone else's life when he had been told otherwise and someone making a sacrifice play when no other options were available says more about you and your inability to comprehend context than it says about the people who made the movie.
@@Allen.Christian What the heck are you talking about? Did you flip Rose's gender in your first paragraph to call her him the entire second half? Or are you flipping to Finn mid sentence? Rose and Finn literally fail every task they attempt sans Rose preventing Finn from doing a single thing of his free will when she shocks him when he wants to escape or stop him when he is taking out the ground laser. She prevents him from doing anything, everything else? They fail at. They don't get help. They get betrayed. They don't accomplish a single thing beneficial in the entire movie. A hero you say for either of them? Impossible when they didn't accomplish anything during the entire movie except not getting themselves killed.
As for your Poe paragraph... Somehow you don't realize Poe's plan is the same as Holdo's. Poe literally took the already deployed fighter bomber wings to engage the destroyer and allow the fleet to escape and for everyone to escape the planet before the main gun fired on the base. Surprise! He was successful but wasn't allowed to finish the job of the ALREADY DEPLOYED WINGS because Holdo. Holdo created the problem of running. Then SURPRISE! She does the same thing (solo run except with the most valuable ship) to be allowed to finish the job leaving the 'fleet' to consist of escape shuttles.... Yay? That's leadership? To chastise the exact same action to even greater losses and with a worse result? As Holdo's action cost the last capital ship and now they're down to a few dozen people set to be slaughtered on the planet below. You're obviously not about results based leadership or action based leadership.
The last paragraph makes no sense at all. Holdo cost the entire fleet and everyone's lives. Without intervention of Chewie, Rey and Luke, none of which Holdo knew about, Holdo's plan from the start is to run out of gas and die on Crait. Awesome! It's literally run away while in visual range and hide behind the only tree (planet) in the desert (space) thinking they can't see you. It's stupid to an extreme and if you can't see the folly is any of that you didn't see the movie I did or you find the dumbest things, genius moves. As it takes true incompetence to think Holdo's actions so far superior to Poe's even though she killed the entire fleet instead of a few fighters and bombers, most of which were killed following Holdo's orders to run away. 🤦
The movie equivalent of the famous meme: _"They hated him because he told the truth."_
"Why are you booing me? I'm right!" -Hannibal Buress
Well idk tho, I feel like it's more like something along the lines of: "They hated him, and completely missed the fact he was saying the truth because he was too stuttery and kept hitting people in the nuts." Cuz the movie IS good underneath all the grime of its flaws
Bruh Luke didn't agree with his character this is more like garbage movie
@@bignoasted2701 Mark Hammil* did not agree with Luke's character, but Mark Hammil is an actor, he is not the character. I love him but actors dont get to choose how their characters are molded by the story.
@@bignoasted2701 Are you talking about the videos where they conveniently edited out the part where he said:
_"Having seen the movie, I was wrong."_
This is a great video, but you're missing an INTEGRAL part of the whole thing. The message at the end is that Kylo is wrong. Sure we need to learn from the past and create something new. But we should still strive to do good. Luke said the force and light do not belong to the Jedi, but he didn't say there was no light. The point of Finn's arc was that he also was struggling with nihilism and the idea that not taking a side is the best path. But he realizes that's not true, there is still value to believing in something and fighting for it even if the world makes it hard sometimes and it's not as clear cut as we are told it is. That's why he says "you're wrong" to DJ when he's betrayed at the end. Luke has a similar realization. His nihilism is challenged by Yoda. Yes, we must accept the failure of the Jedi and the futility of its struggle against the sith. But that doesn't mean we stop fighting. Instead, we learn from the past, and create something new. "The war is just beginning, the rebellion is reborn, and I will not be the Last Jedi." Kylo and DJ were VILLAINS. They were almost right, but ultimately wrong because they were misguided. DJ used his nihilism as an excuse to look out for only himself since nobody and no side is any more valid than him and his interests. Kylo used his nihilism as an excuse to try and seize power for himself because neither side is any more right than the other. Their failing is that you can recognize the flaws in previous ways of doing things and in certain causes without losing the drive to be good and fight for a cause. Kylo saw the failures of the Jedi and the Sith and used it to justify seizing power. Rey and Luke saw the same failures, but chose to learn from them and move forward to create a way of being a Jedi that is better.
Very well said.
100% correct. This video is awful
INTELIGENT AS FUCK !!! GOOD MAN, HOPE YOU LIKED THE MOVIE AS MUCH AS I DO
Exactly right. I just made a comment regarding this exact point, but you managed it more concisely than I did.
@@edwardelric603 Toxic
Thought I was the only one who saw the proposal was not Kylo calling Rey to the dark side. He was frustrated that she was holding onto the past. He did not say join me in the dark side. But if she had gone off with him then, I guess there wouldn’t have been much of a movie left. LOL
Or maybe we could have had the most interesting SW movie of all times ;D
At that moment, Star Wars characters have FOR ONCE looked past the light and dark sides of the force, and it was just two lost individuals trying to find commonality
Which is why something like that would have made more sense in ep9.
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 "it was just two lost individuals trying to find commonality" A shame that was not conveyed better in this supposed "Sequel Trilogy", because the feminists and some people say Rey was a strong empowered character. Its only really Kylo who you can clearly see is lost in these movies.
@@RaikenXion just say people bruh why do you have to specify feminists as if they're two separate entities 💀💀💀
I disagree with your take. I loved the Last Jedi, but I don’t think it’s about not taking sides. I don’t think DJ should be the character you take the the film’s thesis statement from. Mainly cause DJ does choose a side. He ends up taking money from the First Order just as those weapons manufacturers he was so quick to criticize took money from the First Order. It shows that apathy towards a fight between good and evil often ends up only benefitting evil. He’s not framed as a character the audience should like. It’s because of him that Finn and Rose are nearly executed. The First Order are still framed as the clear villains. It’s a fascist military force that abducts children, slaughters civilians, and genocides entire planets. There’s no nuance here. The Resistance aren’t just as bad cause they think it’s a good idea to fight the guys into genocide. Thus the film ends on a boy with a Rebel Symbol ring, sure to grow up to join the fight for good cause he knows those people such as Finn, Rose, and Luke Skywalker are truly the people looking out for him and not the First Order. It’s a very anti-centist movie.
And I've got no problem with that! Just a different perspective is all
Production Journal Yeah I don’t mean any ill will either, dude. Hope it didn’t come off that way. The most interesting films to me are ones where there’s a large variety of different readings taken from it.
I agree with you. I liked this video a lot, but alongside your point about not pulling the film's thesis from DJ, I also think it's wrong to pull the film's thesis from Kylo: "Let the past die" is not the point. Learning from the past and building off the past is the point. (That's why, for example, the Jedi texts didn't actually burn -- they were taken by Rey.) The idea that Kylo wanted to forge a new, better path...I think this also misses a key detail. When he makes that list of things that need to die, "Jedi, Sith, Rebels," etc., he does NOT list the First Order. He doesn't want the First Order -- HIS claim to power and authority -- to die. In this sense, he's actually being ignorant/inconsistent; he's unwilling to personally do that which he's telling Rey to do.
@@samwoodson9603 of course! And after all, this is my first video essay! So I'm sure with experience I can refine really what I'm looking into. Any feedback is appreciated!
Chase Tremaine I agree with that too. My take was the message was to learn from the past and improve upon it, not to just throw it all out. The Jedi were severely flawed as the prequels show, but rather than just burn it all down, we should just try to learn from that and do better.
The Rise of Skywalker: Exists
Everyone to The Last Jedi: Perhaps I treated you too harshly.
An intellectual: Are you kidding me? After all the toxicity for over two years...
Yeah, saw the same hot take on the prequels when TLJ came out.
TLJ wrote the story into a corner, so only 12 IQ morons would positively change their perspective on TLJ based on RoS.
@@macggnore Insulting other peoples' intelligence doesn't make you look smart. And no, TLJ didn't write RoS into a corner. It set up a lot of challenges for RoS, yes, but any good writer with imagination could have come up with a decent follow-up that didn't just frantically try to undo all the actually interesting things TLJ did for the sake of retreating back to the safe formula. (I say this as someone who found RoS to be... bad but fun in a dumb way.)
Exactly the opposite. Now TLJ is even worse. Not only is it a pretentious and atrocious film, it is the root cause of how bad TROS turned out to be. I will say this, at least TROS tried to make it right - it made an effort. Which is something you cannot say about TLJ.
Thanks for sharing and much respect for publicly changing your mind. It takes a load of guts to do that. I love Star Wars but fandom often falls onto dogmatism that prevents them to accept new things as they come. You nailed exatly the things I love about the film (and the things that I dislike, i.e. useless chase, useless arc, and unnecessary character development). Luke is in true PTSD mode and is terrified to teach Rey because he senses she is extremely comfortable with the dark side. What I love about this one, is what I love about Empire, new knowledge of the force and main character development. Even Yoda. YEah whatever, similarities between both are abundant. It is obvious that Johnson went for a similar film, he took bold risks, and we see the results. Half of the people hate joker as well. Anyhow, thanks for sharing and for letting me know I am not alone in the galaxy
"We all hated it because it wasn't the formula we were all used to and loved" is so accurate, though. Rian was looking at what it means to be a hero, what are the things worth fighting for, how do we understand good, evil, and what's in between, and he completely deconstructed it, and analyzed it from angles we hadn't seen before in Star Wars.
Yes! I just bought the artbook for TLJ and it's so great to read what Rian was thinking throughout the production. he put a lot of care in this movie and it's so irritating to see people get pissed over it because it wasn't fanservice (and if KNOW there are legitimate critiques to TLJ, dont at my bruvs)
If you want to experience something that explores these concepts with a truly unique formula but it also remains faithful to Star Wars then play Knights Of The Old Republic 2.
@@cesarrivera8626 ah a man of culture
@@cesarrivera8626 +1 on this. KotoR completely deconstructed the light/dark black/white aspect of Jedi/sith/the force and honestly did it better. I still really don't like the Canto Bight part, or flying Leia, but neither of those were dealbreaking for me. TLJ was a great movie, and challenged us as fans even though many fans didn't want to be challenged (which I think is still absolutely fair).
The whole plot doesn’t make any sense at all, and it doesn’t even follow canon. In my opinion it’s a bad movie, because the more I actually think about it, the worst it gets.
Man all these last Jedi recommendations are hitting me up hard ever since rise of skywalker came out. And it’s crazy how many people have changed their minds of the last Jedi like how they did with the prequels. I never thought it would happen with the last Jedi but it did. And I can see why. Yes it’s heavily flawed but it does have it’s really good moments.
The themes, the lessons of the force, Luke and Rey’s interactions, the Kylo stuff and of course the music. I never hated the last Jedi. I even still think it’s not a terrible Star Wars film like most do. I just acknowledge it’s flaws and enjoy it for what it is. Good video. Glad I found your channel.
And now that cant happen to TROS, because there is no movie after where we can go "TROS was actually good"
@@Howl14 TRoS was given an impossible task. To carry the load of 2.5 movies within a trilogy because TLJ decided to subvert expectations and summarily dead end or just kill off every interesting storyline from TFA. Snoke? A nobody and dead. Luke? Grumpy old man and dead. Rey backstory? A nobody and not important. Rey future? Who knows she got maybe a days worth of training in and some books to read with the last Jedi. Kylo? Maybe a promotion but still conflicted showing he's not the big bad hence no big bad besides generalized First Order. The Rebellion? Reduced to a single ship and less than 20 people who all fail at everything besides Rey. That's simply not a good point to be at to start the third and final pay off movie. You now need to introduce a path to greatness, show the impediments to it and how to overcome it, develop a centralized big bad and it's importance and pay it off all in one movie... That's not happening unless it's 4+ hours long.
that's a shame that people's mind changed
The Dark Master The Dark Master why? That’s normal
@@jknetwork6211 It's normal to only like the last jedi?
toxic much
You stopped watching 30 minutes from the end.
I'm sorry to say you missed the entire point of the film.
Luke was WRONG
Kylo was WRONG
DJ was WRONG
"Let the past die" is what Kylo believed, and he Thinks that he's making a new order but in reality he's only perpetuating the death and suffering that the Dark Side has always inflicted upon the galaxy. He thinks he's a new faction but he's just the Sith with different branding.
DJ thinks that just because the Resistance and the First Order both get their weapons and ships from the same source, via the military industrial complex.
And that's definitely an important problem, but he comes to the conclusion that the only way to win the game is not to play. "They blow you up today you'll blow them up tomorrow " "You're wrong." "Maybe." The point of DJ is that he is wrong, he thinks that the best thing to do is "live free, don't join" but he doesn't understand that his inaction in the face of evil is enabling evil.
The only way to win against nazis is to actually fight them.
Not necessarily violently, as Luke demonstrates later. But the Resistance was almost totally destroyed. The First Order would have subjugated the entire galaxy, and all because DJ thought that doing nothing was more moral.
Luke wants the Jedi to die, but by the end he tells Kylo "I will not be The Last Jedi" because he realized that the failures of the Jedi don't mean they have nothing to offer.
Luke exiled himself because he thought he had nothing to offer the galaxy but more failure.
He learns from Yoda that his failures don't make him worthless, they actually add value to his teachings, just as Yoda's failures helped Luke.
"The greatest teacher, failure is" and "We are what they grow beyond" is the message of the film.
"If you strip away the myth and look at their deeds, the legacy of the jedi is failure" is what Luke tells Rey, but later he realizes that just because they failed doesn't mean they have no worth or nothing to learn from. Luke's final act was the perfect encapsulation of Jedi philosophy "A jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never attack."
He sacrifices himself to inspire the galaxy, that's the most Jedi thing we've ever seen in SW, and Rey is confirmed to be a Jedi by the end of the film.
The dark side is death, decay, pain, suffering, and selfishness. It is a necessary part of life, but it must not be allowed to win. The light side is life, restoration, love, compassion, and selflessness. The Jedi weren't perfect, but the Sith are legitimately evil.
The message of TLJ is you Have to pick a side. Even when you think you haven't picked one, you have picked the side of whoever is already winning.
Silence in the face of injustice is compliance, and that's how evil wins. Not just because bad people do bad things, but also because good people do nothing.
No, the Dark Side had a win, which is balancing things out in the broader context, because previously (in the Original Trilogy) it was the Light Side that won. The Empire was destroyed. The prequels also show us the Light Side becoming corrupt - the Sith were driven into exile and practically exterminated. The Jedi ruled supreme. Yet it was a corrupt, treacherous, totalitarian dystopia, because they wouldn't let the Trade Federation have their own independence outside of the Republic. The absolute rule of "good" is always a dystopia.
Better have dark, grey, and light, than have just light, or just dark, or just grey. One side having total domination always turns to the dark and the system balances itself out through creative destruction. In short, you're speaking like a drone Jedi, indoctrinated, biased, acting out of fear. Afraid to burn your 'holy books', see yourself, and perceive the grander truth. As long as you cling to the light, out of fear of darkness, you will be giving rise to the dark, and its many evils that you mentioned. That's duality. It is a partial picture. Injustice creates martyrs. If you prevent it every time, no martyrs will be made, and no light side will be arising to stop the evil. It's paradoxical, but it's how it works. The Force is One. Everything is One.
The endings also supports what I'm saying: Luke inspires the galaxy only by letting Kylo "strike him down" (figuratively in this case). Luke didn't go out there and didn't kill Kylo. He let Kylo win. He created a martyr, and millions of children became inspired. This is the whole point - to act with wisdom and insight, instead of the twitchy, moralizing 'instinct' to "do good." That is egoic and almost never ends well. Kylo, at least, overcame his ego for a moment. He saw that ruling on his own would be bad. He needed a partner from the Light Side to temper his worst impulses. Rey refused, because Rey hadn't failed. Ray wasn't aware of her shadow side, she hadn't achieved wisdom. Kylo was very aware of his shadow, having murdered his own father, he felt the pangs of remorse. Basically, Rey is narcissistic and unaware. Kylo is more sincere and mature in his self-reflection. He needs help and asks for it, but the novice Jedi doesn't get it. This is partly a problem of Disney in insisting to paint Rey as a perfect Mary Sue... She supposedly killed Chewie in ROS, but they didn't even let her have THAT failure. By keeping her pefect and mistake-free, she is kept stupid, shallow, arrogant and unwise.
Rian should have directed Episode 9, or it should have been Duel of the Fates... Rise of Skywalker is such shallow bullshit. It basically crapped all over this... Amazing how they managed to make the least Star Wars movie in ROS, the gross stupidity of Disney/JJ.
Both good replies, but the OP hit the nail on the head with the last 30 minutes bit. Luke even tells Kyle “And I will not be the Last Jedi...” undercutting nearly every point made in the movie in the vein of “not joining”. Even on my first watch, I knew TLJ was one of the most well made Star Wars movies I’d ever seen, but I was so taken out of the experience by RJ’s hatred of Snoke, Hux, & a certain part of the fan base, that I had a hard time not seeing his active contempt for his audience.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" is an incredibly important idea directly from real history.
Dushan Stojchev amazing... everything you just said is wrong.
Amazing. Every word of what you just said was right. I thought the same while watching this video. He missed the whole point of the movie, which indeed IS learning from failure, but not learning what luke thought he learnt. He was just hopeless. Thinking that evil and good are the same is not learning from failure, it's just giving up. The point is understanding that yes, sometimes we fail. sometimes the dark side wins, but we shall not surrender. that's it. Easy.
When I left Episode 8 satisfied I said to my friend "Finally a Star Wars movie that everyone can love". How wrong I was...
Everyone loved the originals though so you missed the mark
@@MrBrownstainbear Not Return of The Jedi.
@@AmoralPhat40oz A lot more than episode 8....
Lol
Luke at the end of TLJ was the perfect model Jedi. Saving everyone, never attacking, and the only person to die after he shows up is himself. What a man. What a legend. What a Jedi
You know what immediately ruined that moment tho? He fucking died as soon as he was redeemed. It was such a cop out
@CaptainFett ✔️ he did not though. He only thought about it for a second after seeing the vision of the future from Ben’s mind.
@CaptainFett No, rewatch the movie again. Luke literally says it was a "fleeting moment"
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even tho a part of the scene is cut you can clearly see Luke did not intend to strike and the actual events of what happened was Ben lashed out at Luke. He made the strike, not Luke.
And please don't come back at me calling me a ST defender or TLJ apologist. I just think the movie should be judged on what actually happened and has way worse sins made in it
@CommandoFett he didn't raise the lightsaber
I am thrilled to hear someone talk about seeing this film with a new perspective. Great video.
I loved this film, not because it was meant to give us a Timothy Zahn novel on film, but because it made me actually feel the emotions of the characters: Rey’s confusion and frustration at Luke; Finn’s moral quandary over running away (being neutral) and standing for something; Poe’s cavalier attitude to fighting verses leading. And under all this is the force, binding this universe, waiting for the characters to choose their paths.
A brave, challenging film, which I hope we can grow to love like the prequels.
In my opinion this movie is better than The Empire Strikes Bback. Although that opinion can still get you killed on the internet these days, I'm sure some time down the road the majority of the new fans will agree.
@@bluepearl_22 I still like Episode 5 better, but mostly because The Last Jedi had some problems that I can't ignore.
@@alexism9656 That's cool. No one said you couldn't like episode 5 more. Just like people aren't wrong for liking TLJ. I rewatched all 9 films recently and I noticed that Empire does have a lot of the "flaws" people seem to see with TLJ.
blue_pearl_22 I really liked it the first time watching it but after watching it three more times I can’t get past the flaws. the purple haired lady’s arc is stupid because if she had told anyone her actually genius plan, the tension of the whole movie goes away. The scenes with Rey and Kylo ren are pretty good and Luke’s scenes are good. They then kill off the main villain which creates a huge flaw in the next movie because there is no main villain due to kylo ren being conflicted between the light and dark and it’s basically guaranteed that he would go to the light side. The throne room scene is also terribly choreographed and the more you watch it, the worse it gets. The guards do these stupid spins and it seems like they are never fully trying to kill Rey or kylo ren
I get what they were trying to do with Poe’s arc, and the purple lady, but it falls flat because Poe is right to sacrifice the bombers to take out the dreadnaught. If he hadn’t, it would have destroyed the entire resistance. So the lesson falls flat.
I don't know why UA-cam recommended this video from a tiny channel, but I'm glad it did. This is a great video of yet another fresh, interesting perspective of The Last Jedi that makes perfect sense. Every time you re-examine the movie, you can get something different from it. Rian Johnson says so much in just one movie, it's truly staggering.
Of course, it's not without its flaws, but when it's good, it's REALLY good.
Thank you!
@Danny Curtis and I suppose you know better than all of these professional writers and specialists? The script is fine. It has solid arcs and character development for all the main characters. Other than bad pacing it's good.
@Danny Curtis Sure, just as you saying the arcs were botched doesn't magically make it so.
@Danny Curtis You keep saying that, and yet you fail to provide a single example for your claims.
If I had trouble seperating facts from my feelings, I would be nodding my head in agreement with you right now. I didn't like any of the stuff with Finn and Poe in TLJ, but it doesn't change that they have solid arcs on paper. The whole Canto Bight sequence is a boring mess that feels like a totally different film from the rest of the movie, and it still doesn't change the intent of it or how it affects character motivations. I'm not even trying to argue that TLJ is good, but the script is far from some incomprehensible mess.
Oh, and I looked up those "professional Hollywood screenwriters" you mentioned. One has a single short film on his credits, and the other has written for some real shitty TV shows, and an even shittier video game. (Yes, I've actually played it, it's incredibly dumb.) If you spent money on screenplay classes by these guys, or hold them as some sort of authority on writing one I feel sorry for you.
IT bad if you know about the lore
God I love your red and black filter...
The video is also good but damn. THAT FILTER
Filter gang rise up ✊
I loved it from the start. I loved TFA also but i found it the most safest Sw movie ever. And to much nostalgia, TLJ did exactly what I wanted : suprise me, be new and interesting. To bad TROS was pure fanmade again. But welcome to the club bro.
Well we're allowed to like and dislike whatever we want
Couldn't agree more. I thought TFA did what it had to do to introduce a new generation to the saga but TLJ was the first time star wars surprised me in years. I remember looking at my buddy with our Jaws dropped when kylo killed snoke
Umm did you like read my mind because when I was walking into the theatre for TLJ that was my biggest concern, the second snoke died I was so happy, I was happy because I didn’t expect it
I really wished I could enjoy it. I simply could not. I find its writing to be completely ineffective in the sense we end up in the exact same situation we were previously. Kylo Ren loses, which makes him an absolutely pointless villain. What is going to happen in the third movie? Lose again? Rey still absolutely destroys and has little to no flaws. Conquering every situation with little to no effort. I don't mind the way Luke was presented but I wished it was done better. For example, instead of trying to murder a sleeping kid. What if instead, it was his hope that became his downfall? That despite the visions he foresaw and the future he could see Ben succumbing to. Having hope and believing that Ben would defy and defeat such an alluring position as one day, Ben does kill his fellow students and takes a few with him. This would shatter Luke, not only would it explain his cynical and hermitage behavior but also help with his character provided from the original trilogy. It would have been a simple and effective change but instead, Luke just becomes like Vader? Something he adamantly denied in the original trilogy and a lesson he already learned. This to me simply is just broken and ineffective writing and only one example of this. You can absolutely have all the things that happened, all you required was a bit better writing to make it much more memorable and organic.
I really wished I enjoyed it but I can understand those who enjoy the story. I simply blame it for exactly what would have happened with Rise of Skywalker. I hilariously joked to my friend and predicted much of the movie. Snoke is dead, and Disney is too cowardly to make Kylo the villain so I guarantee you Palpatine will be bad guy. That happened. Also, said that they would make it seem like Rey would turn to the dark side somehow but it wouldn't be enough and simply be rushed because it is the last movie. Did happen, and that there would be little to no stakes because this second movie was supposed to establish them.
People say Rey hearing she is nobody is her big turn but this is also bad writing and I believe it to be objective. Rey, has had no reason to believe her parents were anyone. This can be blamed on the force awakens as it was Disney themselves who hyped: Who are these people related too? Luke was never thought to be related to anyone important until it happened. It was interesting because we didn't expect such a background. Here, why would Rey care? She only cared about finding them, I don't believe she placed any substantial belief that she thought them to be important. We were never shown this, and that is the problem with this trilogy overall. The things shown are hilariously bad, while interesting parts, like Rey escaping on Snoke's escape pod are surprisingly removed. I believe the second movie would have been better with Rey accepting the deal as a new start. It would have provided something different and more interesting from that part forward. Sadly, as we could clearly see, none of this was ever remotely planned. This was the fault of the Force Awakens and the Last Jedi as both movies seemed to be completely abandoned by their following film. Hooks are important to connect stories but only the most basic ones are provided here and it makes it a jumbled mess.
@@Kost-ld6nx I was pretty disappointed like why hype up Snoke as the big villain, keep him a mystery, and kill him off without explaining who he was. Like what was the point of having these plot elements. I dunno having a Chekhov’s gun tropes is always terrible for a story
George Lucas has often spoke about “The Hero’s Journey” by Joseph Campbell.
“A hero ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man.”
Each of the major characters goes through their own moral journey, and comes out of it the person the were meant to be. The most obvious journey was Finn, who went from looking for ways to run from the First Order to wanting to take on the entire First Order alone.
Poe went from being a hotshot pilot with a cocky attitude to a team leader. Rey went from being a frightened young woman to someone who was more accepting of her role in the universe.
Luke went from being a hermit to accepting his final destiny of becoming The Legend that people believed him to be. He took on the entire First Order with a laser sword, and WON.
EXACTLY
Finn goes through the same arc in TFA; rehash in TLJ doesn't make it any more interesting.
Poe is suddenly made cocky and arrogant after displaying none of those traits in TFA simply so he can be knocked down pegs. He was shown to be knowledgeable, competent, and a capable leader in TFA within the structure the Resistance used.
Rey went from an inexplicably powerful woman who had her place in the world to an inexplicably powerful woman who found simply a different place in the world.
Sure, Luke has an arc, but we are missing what got him to the beginning of that arc from where we left him two films ago. That's a huge narrative issue, and the only way to explain it is by writing a lot of extra story for Rian. That doesn't make Rian's story good.
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Preach!
The most hilarious thing about views like this is they fail to consider the outcome for all this growing toward "the person the were meant to be." Loss of the entire fleet, death of 95%+ of the Rebellion. Luke is dead and didn't do jack squat with the lightsaber (laser sword, just like he said it would do on the island)... For all the lessons Poe, Luke, Rey and whoever else learned it resulted in them failing miserably, killing hundreds, nearly ends them all except for Rey's intervention in saving them from their becoming the failures they're trying to become. That's lesson learned by these TLJ fans? The idea of somehow you win and grow by leading yourself toward your own demise faster and more decisively? Great lesson.
I feel like the only one who can’t stand the force awakens
You're not. I've hated that movie day 1. It was a terrible setup for sequel trilogy. The movie literally undid episode 1 to 6 and wanted to redo everything from the OT with it's lame ass mystery questions it set up
I grew to hate it
Nope. I liked it at first, didn't love it. As a whole though when combined with the other shit sequels, it's garbage.
It was mediocre wich os npt good enlugh gor star wars but its sadly rhe best of the new trilogy
It's merely a meh for me. On re-watches it gets worse and worse. I feel like the only reason why the movie resonated with a lot of people is because of how JJ constructed the story around a soft-reboot of A New Hope. Using the bones of that story got him a decent starting point. Then they had Lawrence Kasdan help write the script. Finn being an ex-trooper was Kasdan's idea (probably anything original came from him). I also think Kasdan's knowledge and experience of writing past Star Wars films really helped make it feel like we were hanging out with an old friend again. Except it wasn't, it was more like Loki disguising himself as a Star Wars movie for Disney. If you scratch below the surface of this movie, there is only one layer and it's a potato. TFA imitates well, but misses some important beats and doesn't have the heart and soul of the original - And that is why it fails for me.
Except Adam Driver as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren. That man is the best part of the entire sequel trilogy.
“We? Who’s we? There is no we.” There ain’t no past tense here, I still do hate The Last Jedi.
I understood all of this the very first time I saw The Last Jedi, and it was because I didn't go in with preconceived notions and fan theories, all ready to rage if things didn't go how I wanted them to. I went in and I LET THE STORYTELLERS TELL ME A STORY. The Last Jedi stands as my second favorite Star Wars film, right behind The Empire Strikes Back, and it's been in that spot since the first time I saw it.
As someone who loved this movie from day one, I’m glad people are coming around to it.
I had it ranked as like 4th best Star Wars movie upon my second watching in theaters and all my friends thought I was bananas. And I’m just like “nah y’all right, old man Luke should go out there and fight cuz he saw Kenobi do so well with that?” Or “Snoke was holding Kylo back, he can be fully unleashed in the next movie now without a big bad that he just turn good against”. Granted that happened anyways but...
@Rob Melrose I think that's disrespectful to Oreos.
@Rob Melrose The movie is garbage, sorry. I don't begrudge you your personal opinion, but The Last Jedi to me, is a dumpster fire that's only gotten worse each time I've watched it. I tried so hard to like that movie, but I just can't. It's a slap in the face to the entire saga and the thousands of men and women who spent years trying to tell a great story.
Rob Melrose rose crashing into Finn is logical. Her sister sacrificed her life for nothing. She obvi wouldn’t want someone else to do it. Especially considering there was no way Finn was going to stop that huge ass cannon as seen by Poe telling everyone that it’s a useless journey and sacrificing for possibly destroying one cannon (when they had hella troops there) was irrelevant.
LOL no not really its just TLJ stans are being the loud vocal minority now and its hilarious
Excellent retrospective review. I hope more fans will come to appreciate this movie like you did.
Edit: If you rewatch the movie a 3rd time you might see the symbolism or the meaning behind Poe and Finns arc. I thought it's actually a really inspiring message for men out there.
Can you explain the symbolism behind Poe and Finn's arc and how that's inspiring?
What arc?
I am officially part of the "Once Hated the Sequels But Now Love Them" club
"WE" "WE ALL HATED THE LAST JEDI" no we didn't lmao, some of us knew it was great from the start
It was a decent movie, but as part of a larger story, it's terrible. It's like having Earnest Hemingway write chapter eight of 'Pride and Prejudice'. Hemingway was a great writer, but a chapter by him in a Jane Austen novel would ruin the overall story.
Ah, yes. The First Order's true purpose: STONKS
It's not "just the Force". Star Wars culture is intrinsically stoic: following the Force or using it is the difference between Jedi and Sith (don't count the Jedi becoming corrupt etc, I'm talking about the two philosophies).
That's...exactly what I meant
I never hated it. It left me with the feeling of misunderstanding and confusion of how I feel. I loved it from third re-watch.
"The First Order brought peace. Peace and control" *casually forgets that in the Force Awakens the First Order destroyed five planets in one go
*peace and control through violence
I didn't forget anything, just thought it went unspoken but I guess I have to spell it out for some people
@@ProductionJournal Seemingly don't understand that violence is not peace. Enslavement isn't peace.
@@ProductionJournal I think you don't understand what Sith really stand for. And that is the problem of trying to rationalize the First Order's motives.
@@Vermonstered Unfortunately the cycle usually goes War which is a lot of violence, followed by a false peace. This is the war to keep the peace, and when it looks like that is failing, the war before the war, and then back to the War. Take the cold war. To keep the USSR and America from direct war so many proxy wars were fought. Most people in first world countries don't see it, don't see that the very economy that gives them starbucks is building bombs and all sorts of stuff to be sold to these proxy fighters.
A surprising movie about the idea of being at "peace" but not really being neutral or uninvolved in violence abroad is Pratlabor 2. Its a Japanese anime by a guy who wanted to express his frustration with his nations rejection of war while still clearly being allied with one side during the cold war and taking part indirectly in conflicts by hosting US bases, building weapons, and so on.
As for your final point I do not want to be taken out of context as pro enslavement but you can have enslavement and peace. Many nations with dictatorships and horrible human rights are able to suppress any unrest and thus maintain the peace.
You can give power to 1% of the population, you just cant let them vote or assemble. Venezuela learned this the hard way when after years of on paper economic prosperity it became clear to average people that maybe 5 big families ran everything and their lives were not getting any better. Because they could vote they voted in Chavez who despite having socialist leanings was a populist non the less.
But yes using a sun absorbing ice planet machine to genocide 5 planets is pretty stupid. I do not know much about energy, but I do know the further you are from the source the less efficient it is....That being said I wonder how much energy you could provide by swallowing a sun and basically creating a singularity in the base since your condensing it so much would produce. Wouldn't be the first time energy was used for control and you wouldn't have to commit genocide.
@@markderham9949 You only need to look at history of enslavement to realize it's not peace. The ability to enslave people is reliant upon keeping groups separated to have constant small unorganized uprisings to quell and squash instead of having a large uprising that you might not be able to squash easily. You literally rely on constant uprising to show your power and hit that release valve often to keep your power but it's most definitely not peace.
The Cold War wasn't peace, it's constant build and tension. It wasn't a time of outright open war but the espionage war was raging full force. But all these examples you're giving isn't peace and seemingly isn't related to the OP's post? As genocide isn't peace nor is the military enslavement of what remained of the Republic peace...
So here's the thing, when I left the theatre, I actually had a lot of the same thoughts about TLJ that you did. I thought it was really compelling on a thematic level. There were a lot of echos of KOTOR II (my favorite Star Wars story) and I found myself enjoying that. I enjoyed that it was risky and that it was very different from what I was expecting.
The more I thought about it, however, the more I realized that themes simply weren't enough to keep the movie afloat. Almost every single scene is fundamentally broken in some way, whether that's in terms of logic, editing, internal consistency or something else. The film isn't hated for not giving us what we expected, it's hated because the execution is incredibly poor. I like the themes of The Last Jedi, but the themes of "The Room" are also very compelling, but that doesn't mean I give it a pass, as it is still a bad film. A movie isn't just the themes, it is a story and how it is executed. If the themes are done well, they're worth praise, but I can't really give TLJ any points just for having compelling ideas when it didn't bother to execute them in a competent way.
I will say, it is interesting to see someone turn around on TLJ on this, so kudos for putting something slightly different out there.
Some of the themes were executed well, some weren't
@@christianlee5666 Which ones would you point to as well done, out of curiosity?
@@TheMemeRepository I thought Luke's overall theme was a good one. Although his scene where he tries to kill Ben was a bit iffy, it's not totally out of the blue. He failed a student and he knows he screwed up when he faces Ben. The theme of facing your fear, that's what really held throughout all 3 films. Luke was scared to confront the world after ruining his reputation as a legend. He finally does in the end of TLJ.
Idk if this is a theme, but Kylo Ren's overall story is really well executed as well. Kylo Ren doesn't let people take control of him and he tries to find his destiny throughout the film. Being led in the wrong way, he finally returns in TROS. I feel his redemption was heavily rushed, but it didn't take away from his character that much. Basically, I liked his character and the implications of a theme his story gave.
@@TheMemeRepository Also, unrelated, but I really think Rey was a really great character as well. A lot of people hate her for being so powerful and being a woman. However, I think she's fine. She's never really had a lot of explicitly shown training and/or sacrifice, but her character itself is just very likable. She's charismatic and just so determined. She's also incredibly scared of the powers she has in TROS. Honestly, I could see her as a real person.
@@christianlee5666 I think Luke being a hermit and having this major failure does have a lot of potential, but having him try and kill his nephew (even if the thought only lasted for a few seconds) is extremely out of character, considering he tried and succeeded at redeeming the evilest man in the universe. Again, the theme is solid, but it needs to be executed in a way where Luke Skywalker doesn't become a different character. Where if there are transitions and development, we need to see them as an audience. If we want to explore failure as a theme, I think instead of attempted murder, Luke should have instead tried to redeem Ben to a fault, and the act of never giving up on him eventually becomes the very thing that drove him further away. Luke should have been incapable of pulling back due to his experiences with Vader and that's ultimately what sunk the ship.
Of course, there are a million different scenarios I could dream up instead of the one we got, but the only reason I dream them up is that what we got was not consistent with who Luke Skywalker is as a person. He never really came off as someone who would feel pressure from his legacy, and he's especially not someone who would even consider striking down a family member in their sleep before they had even done anything wrong. Vader had killed children, Kylo was just having bad thoughts (that Luke nicely invaded his privacy to find out, might I add). There have been some retcons since that explains it was Palpatine or Snoke or whatever that made Luke freak out, but that wasn't in the film nor in TROS, and even then, I have a very hard time believing that he'd put enough thought into it to contemplate the murder of his sister and best friend's son.
This is kind of what I mean by "theme not justifying execution".
You can have a great theme, the theme of learning through failure, but when it is executed by fundamentally changing who certain characters are at their core, you fail to execute your theme well because you had to cheat in order to pull it off. A theme should be complementary to the story, rather than sacrificing your story and characters in order to have a theme. Something I found especially frustrating the more I thought about it was that Luke really should have already had the wisdom to know that failure is the greatest teacher. Even only going by the OT, he was a character who was built up and defined by his constant failures, so the fact that this was a lesson that needed to be taught to him, rather than a lesson that he passed on to others, well, it just rings hollow given what we've seen.
As for Rey, well, likability is obviously a very subjective quality, so I won't dispute that.
The main issue isn't that she's powerful or female, my favorite Star Wars character is Kreia from KOTOR II, and she holds the most power in that game in almost every sense. Hell, that game has a majority female cast (include the canonical version of the protagonist), so I'd be a mighty big hypocrite to criticize a character along those lines. XD I just need power, like any element, to make sense within the story, and Rey's power simply doesn't. Sure, they explained she was a Palpatine at the last minute in TROS (last minute in terms of the whole trilogy) but that would only explain her potency in the force, it wouldn't explain her immediate skill at almost everything she does.
Being able to fly the Falcon with expert precision when ANH established that even Luke couldn't make heads or tails of it. Knowing the Falcon better than Han. Being a crack shot with a blaster the first time she wields it. Doing a mind trick with no logical way of even knowing what a mind trick is. Defeating the apprentice of both Palpatine and Luke Skywalker after picking up a lightsaber for the first time, and her only combat experience being a staff she uses to take down untrained thugs, and a few days later, defeating the highly trained guards in the Throne Room with minimum struggle after only learning the force was real a few days ago. Her first time behind the turret of the Falcon, she gets a triple kill. The list goes on.
The best analogy I've heard for Rey is that you could hand her a Rubix cube, and she 'd go "What's this? I've never seen this before in my life" and then she'd hand it back completely solved. It's not an issue of having power or skill, but instead, those powers and skills having no logical justification within the story. For me, I need skills to be earned within the story, or have a backstory that justifies them. Luke had some piloting skills in ANH, but other than that, he was constantly getting his ass kicked by the most unskilled of fighters. It was only through his development that we see him turn into the Jedi Knight we see in Return of the Jedi, and even then, he still had to have daddy Vader save him at the end. Obi-Wan, meanwhile, is somehow who already has power. Somehow who is already competent in the force. We don't need to see his training, however, because we're given a logical explanation as to how he's already like this. He's an old warrior from a long-forgotten group of powerful beings, all of whom trained and studied to achieve their power. Han Solo is also already incredibly proficient when we meet him, but again, we have it justified as part of his backstory as a smuggler.
Rey, meanwhile, kind of starts out with the blank canvas of Luke. Logically, she'd have a tiny of a melee combat experience (but not against skilled opponents) and she'd be really proficient with scavenging and fixing up old pieces of equipment. There is quite a journey she'd need to go on before she even reached Luke's level in ANH, yet she displays the same competency as Obi-Wan and Han Solo when we first meet them, which creates a direct contradiction. I'm not even against her being a force prodigy, it just has to make sense within the story, which as of the end of the trilogy, it still doesn't.
To use another example, Rey is kind of like a much more poorly written Bastila Shan. I really love Bastila because she's this Jedi prodigy who is built up quite a bit before we even meet her, and when we finally do, she's extremely arrogant, both due to her relatively young age and her incredible power. She was trained from a very young age with the Jedi Order, so her abilities make sense within the context of the story, and her incredible talents are explicitly called out and used to inform her character. Bastila, though hated by some, is a really fantastically written character because they have a set of core qualities and they use that to give her conflict, and we see the consequences of such strict doctrine being forced onto someone so young. Of not allowing people to explore all aspects of life, but instead barring them away from it all.
By the end of the trilogy, I would have a very hard time describing Rey as a character beyond my criticisms of her. She's incredibly talented at literally everything, but that's never really called out or really relevant in the story beyond just moving the plot along. She wanted to know who her parents were. She wanted to redeem Kylo for some reason, even though she'd have less reason to want that then Luke. Her character kind of just serves whatever role the script needs it to, rather than being internally consistent and having decisions driven by consistent motivations. Her brush with the dark side and whatever conflicts that stirred up was almost completely out of nowhere, as despite some lip service to her "going straight to the dark" that was never paid off in any meaningful way in TLJ, she was basically paragon of virtue until TROS, where they just decide she has enough anger management to issues to summon force lightning... That's a bit of a stretch.
I'd actually love to see a Jedi who is established to be the offspring of Palpatine from the first movie onwards, and we see that struggle with that legacy. To determine whether they will truly become like their grandfather, or if they can break-free and form their own legacy. We don't really have that explored in any meaningful way with Rey, as they didn't really have a concrete idea of who her character was, and instead, only really wrote her based on what role they needed out of her at the time in the script, and that's really frustrating to me because she could have been fantastic.
Wow, that went on longer than I intended. XD I hope that helped you understand my point of view, though. Obviously, you're allowed to like what you like, but there is also fun to be had with debate and going on things as presented in the text without interpretation.
Well done. You have surely mastered the YT Machine and the ability to grow as a human. May the YT Algorithm be with you, always. Thanks for sharing.
I yelled "yeah!" so many times during this video. This theme of balance was why I was so excited about the trilogy after this movie came out.I'll forever be disappointed that it wasn't followed through in Ride.
Interesting perspective, all movies are pretty decent change my mind.
The Predator most definitely isn't a decent movie. In fact, it's awful.
Cuties on Netflix is an atrocity
@@Notmuhrealname be honest you know what I meant.
This is a good take
I've loved this movie since it came out, I'm glad you've come around. But, I'm not totally sure that I agree with your take though. I don't think it's about neutrality, for example, I think Finn's arch is about him learn to be a rebel, and the value of resistance, growing beyond just hating the first order. But I love that you have a different take, there is a lot that you can take away from this film.
It's not just about neutrality. It's about the neutrality of the force.
It still portray the rebels as the "good side" it just states that the force is not on any side.
Like disappointment and being stingy with money. Thats what TLJ told me to do Im glad it worked with Iger stepping in Trevorrow throwing them all under the bus the jabs at TLJ said films fans and shippers being angry and disappointed lol which the hypocrisy is delicious
The only thing I didnt like about this movie was that Admiral Ackbar didnt make the First Order Star Destroy sacrifice. (YES THAT IS ALL)
That's it?
Not that Luke Skywalker, the hero of the OT, who believed that DARTH VADER of all people still had a chance to go to the light, had a few visions of his own Nephew turning to the dark and rather than trying to help him tried to kill him in his sleep?!
Mark Hamill himself (actor who is Luke Skywalker) said in an interview that he disagreed with Rian Johnson on almost everything about his vision of Luke.
He said "Jedi don't give up. They do whatever it takes to make things right. I had to treat Luke as someone else. Jake Skywalker... He wasn't my Luke Skywalker."
He had to retract what he said after being forced to by Disney because fans were (rightfully) calling out TLJ for being a bad Star Wars Sequel.
When your own actors disagree with how you write their characters, maybe you should consider that your work isn't good.
@@openthinker6562 Yes, thats it.
@@thecarter01 Well, that's a poor assessment. I will not judge you based on your personal feelings of the movie, but you must at least acknowledge the flaws of this movie. The fact that the fanbase is completely fractured marks this as one of the worst Star Wars movies ever.
To disregard these analysis and to avoid criticizing these (numerous) flaws sends a dangerous message to these directors - that by virtue of holding the Star Wars name, then anything can pass. That a Star Wars movie doesn't have to be good or stick to its roots, but just has to be a "Star Wars" movie.
That's not enough. Star Wars movies need to have a high standard and need to be created within the established rules and characters. Rian Johnson took several characters and changed them to fit HIS narrative, when in reality he should have turned his narrative around the established characters, setting, and universe.
He was making a SEQUEL. He had to follow the established rules that were present. He couldn't just pull things out his rear because that causes valid criticism and breaks several rules within Star Wars lore.
Best example: The Holdo Maneuver. If it's so devastating, why has it never been used before in any of the movies, comics, or TV shows? Why would you pour resources into three Death Stars if you can just make a giant block of Tungsten or Steel, slap on a Hyperdrive, and ram it into a planet? That is a perfect example of Substance over Lore: it looked cool, yes, but after the spectacle it basically nullifies so much of Star Wars logic.
@@openthinker6562 Well we can atleast agree that if we like it not it's still Star Wars. Always has been and always will be.
I can't relate to anything more about this movie than this comment.
"A junk rat with YEARS of piloting experience"???
I raised my eyebrows when he said that too
It's enough to make a grown man cry
I’ve always loved TLJ, it’s great
Fancy meeting you here. (It's Skylightt)
People didn't complain when Yoda became a hermit, yet when Luke is a hermit everyone is mad like that was the point people
I think the movie was too hated for some reason
Yoda was first introduced to audiences as a hermit, same as Obi-Wan.
@@virgogaming6488 yep
Rose was a big problem in the movie
Two completely different context. That is such a false equivalence for so many reasons
This video showed me that redemption is posible. First impression is not always good. Specially when you go to see a Star Wars film where you know what to expect. It's obvious that nobody is gonna like that at first. Except me jeje. But I understand why most people didn't. They needed time. They needed to think. Wich is something a star wars film doesn't cause in an audience very often. Something similar happened with the prequels. Time passed, and now everyone finally sees their beauty apart from their flaws. I'm sure time will be kind with the sequels too
We didn't all hate it, some of us are normal.
Excellent analysis, but as you say so well, unfortunately the side plots of the movie are what muddled it down in the end. If you made a cut of only Luke/Rey/Kylo, it is a far better movie. I personnally didn't like TFA because it was basically New Hope revamped with Empire/Resistance yet again, and found myself liking TLJ themes better while still hating parts of it (like the treatment of Finn, stuck in a boring side quest). I liked the force bonds, i liked Luke relationship To the force, I like being rid of cliché bad guy Snoke and i liked Rey being nobody. And then TROS shat on all of it and squandered everything TLJ tried to make evolve To revert To a RPG plot with once again Good vs Bad. Eurgh. But yeah: great video
@@VickyToria136 it is really true, and i think TROS furthers what you are saying here because JJ reverted to Finn being mainly all about Rey (despite his story with Jannah). The fact also that he could have brought nuance to how people viewed regular stormroopers was squandered too.
@@VickyToria136 Finn at least has a purpose throughout TFA, even if ultimately they could have done everything without him. Rise of Skywalker though? They didn't even PRETEND to give that guy something to do. Even going with the rebellious stormtroopers to ride some horses doesn't do a thing to contribute to the actual battle, it's Lando, Poe, and Rey's efforts that actually bring them to victory.
And let's not kid ourselves, Finn was crushing hard on Rey and was going to say "I love you" when they were sinking into the quicksand, regardless of what JJ and DIsney claimed.
It is the side plots and the whole plot of the sequels as a whole that ruins it
While I agree that a lot Finn's potential was basically squandered from the beginning, TLJ also couldn't be bothered to really expand on his character. And I can't agree that he had absolutely no purpose or development in TFA. His arc was basically to go from someone who only thinks about himself to someone who actually cares about other people i.e. Rey and to a lesser extent Poe. That's the kind of arc that has filled whole movies before, although I wouldn't argue that it couldn't have been executed better. However, that development then became pointless when he spent the whole next movie with NEITHER of the characters he had developed a relationship with and instead was shipped off with a completely different character to have a forced romance with (if you even wanna call it that). And sure, "caring about someone else" might not be enough of a concept or purpose for a space epic like Star Wars (although caring about someone is basically the theme the whole franchise is built upon but oh well) but there were still two more movies where Finn could've developed away from Rey and become more important to the central plot once he had been taken into the folds of the Resistance, but instead the opposite happened. And not only did the subsequent films not give him more of a purpose, they also took away the one thing he had. And him caring so much about Rey starts to make much more sense when you realize that he was actually supposed to be Rey's love interest. That this had been the original plan has just recently been confirmed by the guy who wrote the TFA novelization (but was also already pretty obvious to everyone with eyes tbh). And the reason that romance then never went anywhere after TFA was either simply racism, because we can't have a black man and a white woman be the central romance of a Star Wars movie, or because it just didn't fit with Rian Johnson's little Reylo fantasy. Or both.
So while, yeah, Finn's story arc in TFA was kind of thin but had potential to be expanded upon, he was then suddenly left with nothing in TLJ. And instead of at least coming up with something new for Finn to do, Rian Johnson just made him basically retread his arc from TFA. And I can already hear people typing to argue that in TFA he only learned to care about Rey and in TLJ he learned to care about the Resistance as a whole…(and that slavery is bad or whatever because that was apparently something he - basically a former slave of the First Order himself - had to learn.) And yeah, sure, whatever, but that didn't HAVE to be what his story in TLJ had to be about. He could've also woken up from his coma, realized that the Resistance cared enough about him to save him so maybe sticking around wouldn't be so bad, maybe he could've struggled a little with finding his place in the Resistance and then he basically could've done ANYTHING. The sky's the limit. You have a former Stormtrooper who defected and joined the other side, it shouldn't be hard to come up with a compelling story for a character like that. Instead Rian Johnson just couldn't be bothered to come up with anything interesting. His joke about him considering just leaving Finn in the coma for the whole movie is pretty telling of how much he cares about the character. Finn didn't fit into the Reylo show so he had to be sent on a pointless side quest because Rian couldn't just write him out completely. And then he couldn't even go on that side quest with the only other character he had some kind of relationship with because, by his own admission, Rian Johnson wasn't capable of writing them in a way where their dialog wouldn't be interchangable. Even though Finn and Poe are very different characters from each other so really, it shouldn't be that difficult. Or maybe he thought it wouldn't make sense that hot shot pilot manly man Poe Dameron would care about abused space horses or whatever, so he needed to get a woman in there. And don't get me wrong, I like Rose as a character, I just don't understand why Finn had to be paired with a different woman in every movie only for none of that to go anywhere.
So yeah TLJ might be an okay movie on it's own with a cute theme but ultimately it just didn't care about what came before it (or what would come after it) and instead of writing to serve the established characters it just tried to somehow fit the characters in the narrative it wanted to tell, even if it meant basically completely excluding certain characters from the central narrative.
(Sorry for replying half a year later but i'd never actually seen anyone argue that TLJ treated Finn better than TFA, something i think John Boyega would also disagree with, so i needed to get this off my chest)
Disagree about something
"2:19 Star wars fans when someone has an opinion".
Ya bro exactly that pisses me off, why can’t people just not accept opinions.
@@stunts1012 because opinions no longer exists
If you don't like/likes a certain thing, you are not a real fan of that franchise
Says idiots that get mad because "you HAVE to like/dislike this or you shouldn't have opinions"
@@JayPannell wait so are u against what I’m saying or for what I’m saying.
@@stunts1012 oh no, I'm agreeing with you by saying that the only people who don't accept opinions are idiots
Actually, not idiots. Dumbasses
@@JayPannell ah ok well ya that’s true, I hate the fact that people need to decide if u are a true fan. Take me for example, I freakin love the sequels so much, yet people like me who love the sequels which btw are millions of fans around the world are considered idiots because we love the sequels. It’s so stupid, and I think people need to be accepting of opinions. I hate Wonder Woman 84, and I respect every single person for liking that film, again just opinions. I’m just hoping that more people can be accepting of opinions.
Personally Ive loved this movie since the beginning and am heartbroken with the choices made in TROS and the retconning of what is not only its sequel but also the previous 8 films (Is Anakin still even the chosen one?). And, to top it off, I REALLY want Ben Solo back!!!
Colin Trevorrow's version would've connected both TFA and TLJ and all the games, 2 other trilogies, and the tv shows. Unfortunately, he was canned from directing Episode 9 for not matching KK vision 🙄.
There wouldn't have to be any recons if RJ knew any of the original theories story structure. This movie is a absolutely fuk fest. Fuck subverting expectations there were none you bunch of SJW. The massacre of Luke Skywalker was obtuse to be kind. So F*CK OFF RJ!
That’s precisely why The sequels are bad. It completely negates Anakins redemption
@@danb7202 I do agree to a certain extent that the Sequels do negate Anakin's destiny, but I feel like TROS is what really ruined it because in the other two movies they never even mention or give clues to Palpatine's return. If Snoke faked his death and Palpatine wasn't brought back instead, then I think the Sequel trilogy wouldn't be hated as much.
Ahsoka 521 well yeah, if the trilogy took a different turn other than everyone’s related to someone I would’ve enjoyed it a little more. TLJ has its flaws but it tried something new, and as a result the next movie was terrible just because they were trying to undo all of the bold choices made in the previous movie
This is absolutely beautiful. I’ve always loved The Last Jedi but its so amazing that people are still making videos like this and sharing their different perspectives on it.
I'm with you buddy
Yeah, it took two years but I see now more youtubers talking about the good things about this movie. Of course it has its flaws and all the Finn and Rose plot is just so boring and useless. But the Luke Rey and Kylo plot is gold, at least for me. TROS is entertaining, but that's all about it, it is a completely empty movie.
No, it's not, because in order to make a point he has to ignore whole themes in the Original Trilogy.
1. Luke was neutral to the Force. He wanted to save his friends, fought against the Empire because the Empire destroyed his family (not because of a Jedi-Sith dichotomy). He even abandoned his training in the Force in order to go and save them.
2. In the throne room, he strikes the Emperor in an attempt to save his friends. He loses control only _after_ Darth threatens to turn his sister evil. Only after walking the gray area of doing bad things for good intentions, and ultimately realizing that it is still evil, he proclaims- I am a Jedi.
3. In short, Luke understood the neutrality of the Force, and the temptations of resisting evil- the type similar to Ben Solo turning to the dark side in the new trilogy- is a challenge that we have _already_ seen and he has already overcome.
4. And pray say, how did the movie end? By Luke telling Kylo Ren that he is wrong when he says he is the last Jedi, thereby acknowledging that Rey was to become a Jedi. We didn't have to wait for the last film to say that "he was wrong". So reiterate the logic being made:
Luke was neutral- turned Jedi- turned neutral again- turned Jedi again.
So no. The movie is entirely unfaithful to the movies preceding it, and very bad.
@@DJbertjor waaaaaiiiiiit...
Hold on a second...
That's just the little guy opnion, and that's yours. And please, just have a little bit of respect when you say something about *OTHERS* opnion.
@@o...o4144 I would, if that opinion was actually founded on a reasonable assesment. Ignoring crucial elements of the story to argue that a movie makes sense is nonsense.
That is a take on that movie that I like, it’s what I felt when I was watching it in the theatre, and I just stopped talking to people about it after a while because of peoples gut reaction to how the movie did not meet their perceived expectations.
Thank you,
Star Wars is literally the most divisive franchise of all time.
Nobody hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars fans do
"the greatest teacher, failure is."
I can't disagree with you more - despite being someone who loved TFA from the beginning. You're quoting the villains (DJ on not taking sides and Kylo Ren on letting the past die) when the message of The Last Jedi, like so many films, is the literal opposite of what the villains want. The villains in a well written film are meant to be seductive in their philosophy - to do less is to set up a straw man.
But DJ's "not taking sides" involves his selling out The Resistance to the First Order when it becomes expedient. Luke's not taking sides involves him living like a self-loathing and slightly repellant hermit (and in withdrawing into being a hermit he's following in the footsteps of the only two other Jedi he has ever known - Obi Wan and Yoda, and he's also a farmer like his aunt and uncle, living in the middle of nowhere and drinking green rather than blue milk).
The film presents "Don't take sides" as a seductive position before turning round and saying "No, you should take sides - that's the best case and here's what it actually does" in the final third. A much more Star-Wars-y approach.
It's not a coincidence that The Last Jedi is closely modelled on Empire Strikes Back - and Empire was extremely controversial when it came out.
Thanks for that. Overall, I enjoyed The Last Jedi. This guy went from one bad take to another. But, hey, at least he's progressed. Maybe at some point he'll learn what RJ was actually trying to say through this film.
But he quoted Yoda as the main theme of the movie...
@@reepicheepsfriend you know, its interesting seeing a work of fiction that always gives you a fresh new perspective and experience every time you see it. Especially if its a movie in a milti billion franchise.
@@lugyd1xdone195 That just shows a ridiculous lack of attention by you and necessity to write in things that simply aren't there but you infer might be there.
@@reepicheepsfriend Yup. Additionally, he will be able to write to RJ and explain it to him too.
While I don't agree with everything you say here, I appreciate the well constructed video essay and style you put into it. Well done man.
My Boss called me and asked me why I was at sitting at home on the couch in my bathrobe. I told him I am experiencing the purest version of myself. He screamed through the phone at me that the Rise of Skywalker proved that every word of what you just said about The Last Jedi was wrong.
Why the hell did you stop watching 30 mins before the end?!
If I have learned anything from the Sequel trilogy, its that we may never have another Star Wars movie with any kind of deeper meaning/interpretations because the fanbase can't deal with anything new. The Last Jedi will be the last one for a while
Edit: I've confirmed suggestive mediums really pisses off some fans, go figure
"deeper meaning/interpretations" Yeah the Prequels and The Clone Wars already did that. The *real* Star Wars.
@@UnknownUser-gd3ls The prequels didn't, but you're entitled to your thoughts i suppose
@@hypervolt9987 Its incredibly frustrating to see people completely miss the point and dismiss something because of that
@@hypervolt9987 How about just admit that Rion Johnson should have shown more respect to the franchise and fans?
The milk scene made me uncomfortable because it was genuinely cringy, not because I was invested in how disgusting it was in storyline. Same goes for most other people.
And besides, what is the Last Jedi supposed to be saying exactly, the Jedi, Sith, Light and Dark side is dogmatic? Yeah, great theme in which lots of people want, but then Rion just said "fuck it" within the last half an hour and took it all back.
@@hypervolt9987 Suggestive Medium isn't the issue; you think there is something "deep" about this movie and that it's the fan's faults for not accepting it.
As well as the movie itself, it's this constant underlying pretentiousness by TLJ supporters that puts people off.
These TLJ supporter videos never say anything meaningful, its just "this was great and you're an idiot for not liking it or seeing it"
I get it, I understand the concept of being part of some "proud elite" who know better than the casual moron.
I'm seeing a lot of comments disagreeing. That's fine! I love the diverse opinions we have here and I love how every contributes something different to the discussion so thank you!
While one perspective may vary from the other, what I really took from this is that people have pointed out that the third act makes my whole point obsolete. And hey! What if it was that Rey's potential and Lukes confrontation of his failure allowed him the chance to believe in the Jedi once more? Hence why he helps them through to the end! And when Kylo pushes away Rey, the last one who cares about him, he has nothing left except his Dark side!
I just want to point out that nothing I said in this video was intended to be at the detriment of the existing story, just another perspective!
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I really like your perspective on this and agree with nearly all of it. For me, also, TLJ is all about the relationship between Luke, Leia, Kylo/Ben and Rey. Yes, the third act is difficult to interpret, and TROS never helps us get a clearer understanding as to why Kylo is so desperate to attack his mother's forces after choosing to let her live just a few hours before. Kylo must have known from his Force bond with Leia that she wasn't dead. To a certain extent, Kylo is showing the First Order that yes, he is the new Supreme Leader. But I think he's mostly just burning through his disappointment that Rey rejected him. And I don't think he realizes what he's done until the final scene where the Force shows Rey shutting the door of the Falcon in his face. He's a man on his knees and he looks more miserable than ever.
Ugh, I loathe responses like this. Where you need to write hour long addendum arcs to the movie for it to make sense. Remember at the end of the movie, Luke's power meant nothing, just as he said earlier how waving a laser sword won't do anything. His sacrifice in death accomplished less than Poe's yo mama joke at the beginning of the movie. It could just be considered a farewell to Leia and Kylo (old man still has a few tricks) as he basically accomplished nothing for all his power and legend but buying the very last remnants of the Rebellion time to escape through tunnels C3PO didn't want to bring up. Remember, Luke went to that island to whither and die and that's exactly what he did. But at that point he Rebellion is dead anyway as there's less than 20 people and just the Millennium Falcon left. Luke wasn't even the critical part in saving them and it's still Rey who swoops in to save them twice (pulling the Tie's off and opening the tunnel) and Rey never needed saving. It's just as the opening crawl says, "The First Order reigns." And the reason why TRoS had to be a hurried bloated mess because it had to carry 2.5 movies load of a trilogy since TLJ dead ended and subverted most of the storylines from TFA and left nothing to build on. TLJ's story occurs over a period of just over 2 days (running out of gas plot limiter) so there was no time for any character to evolve into the next movie nevermind that everyone besides Rey and Chewie is a failure for the entirety of the movie.
I love that the message from this film was about failure and growing from it, and people only see the failure. It tells a sad story about our society unfortunately. Now that TRoS is out, balance still doesn’t feel like it’s been achieved.
@@MillicentNankivelldotcom How is this film about growing from failure? Luke doesn't leave his island and dies there while not saving the Resistance or Leia, Rey does that. The Resistance lost every single ship and hundreds of people are dead, their entirety amounts to less than 20 people. Rose and Finn didn't accomplish a single mission they set out to do and end saving themselves while you get to see their friends blow up in the background. Rey never failed, except maybe in bringing the physical Luke to Leia, but nothing else she's done she's remotely failed at. Whatever sad story of society you wish to draw from an interpretation of a movie says more about how far one will stretch themes to justify a movie you happened to like into something that wasn't presented on the screen.
Production Journal I would love to go in depth with you on this either in a video for your channel or in a private discussion. Because while you made some good points you still missed some things. I have noticed people have rushed to disagree with you and while you rightfully have acknowledged the third act basically disproves your point, I would love to discuss why you came to the conclusions you did come to.
From one Star Wars fan and movie lover to another I think it would be very fun to talk it out and analyze this movie further but in a non hateful or confrontational way. I think it would be awesome. Let me know what you think?
We didn’t hate it because it didn’t conform to the formula we had grown accustomed to. We hated it because it was blatantly disrespecting the actual story that it was supposed to be a part of in the name of subverting our expectations. And it was poorly written on top of that, adding insult to injury. None of these characters’ motivations make any sense in this movie. And the opportunity/responsibility Rian was given is now gone forever. That’s why we hate this movie.
To this day, I will never understand why people hated this movie so much. I loved it
In a nutshell, it doesn't fit in the same universe as the other films. It only kinda works as it's own thing.
It’s like its predecessor a jumbled-up soft reboot which manages to be completely stagnant.
Plot A is a space chase because hyperspace is not an option. It detours over a civic planet where our party is betrayed by someone they just met, but trusted. Alright. There is also a bit where walkers assault a base. Sounds familiar?
Plot B is about the force-novice to meet a grand Jedi Master of legend, who turns out to be a disappointment. He’s a recluse who refuses to teach, but a voice from the past changes his mind. We see him doing very ordinary things from cooking swamp soup to milking and fishing, and by the end he does one last impressive thing. Also gives the force explanation. Sounds familiar, too?
The central twist is where the evil enforcer tells the force novice something unexpected about her parents. How original. The only problem is that it has literally no consequences and changes nothing this time. It’s entirely pointless.
It’s also all the frigging same structure. Then there is a bit that is an exact copy of the throne room finale, also overtly made to feel familiar, as if to wink to the audience. Even the taunting with how the rebellion is gunned down outside is there. This is done to pull the rug by killing the big bad a film too early and relies on the meta, of knowing about these films and playing with it. Takes you right out of the non-existing story.
There are some more massive problems, aside of being another bland soft reboot.
1) the “find Luke” plot wasted the first film for basically nothing. The whole payoff of hours of story and a dubious storyline is for Luke to stall the First Order for whole impressive five minutes. This is purest stagnation, because the film already started with them backed in a corner. The whole timing also bugged me.
2) Everyone was beaming around just so as the plot needed. They could go to Canto Bite in under an hour or four, and back, landing, prison and all and then manage to get into the Crait base - twice, just when the gate closed. You can only push it so far. JJ Abrams effed it up before and afterwards, too. It’s a type of problem that destroyed a good part of the star wars appeal, making the universe feel barren and small, since there was also near zero setting. Canto Bite was obviously added to have a theme for Disney’s park casinos.
3) There was not only no universe, no setting, nothing interesting in this era. Our heroes didn’t have a single adventure this far. Like none. No friendship, nothing. Making it worse, appealing to China led to the obvious introduction of a dilligent, principled, chinese worker hero character with a bolted on love story. I can’t buy it. It’s all very cynical and, no offense, made for people without taste and sense. And easily duped by marketing people. You can‘t tell me Rose was added out of genuine interest for that character.
4) Killing Snoke itself was fine. This was for a moment interesting to me. But the big huge massive giant problem was becoming clear some time later: Snoke was the big bad, and both Kylo Ren and Hux were portrayed as incompetent and incapable. Rey handsomely stood her ground on the first encounter, and yes Kylo was wounded, but if that worked before, why not again? You can argue it away as much as you want, concoct elaborate reasons why it doesn’t count, but your brain noticed it - he’s a loser. A non-threat push over who is mocked in the same film by his master. Rey on the other hand is clearly superior, won everything and had no apparent difficulties at any time. There is no threat. Also, Stormtroopers are by now entirely reduced to comic slapstick cannonfodder.
I held onto an interesting direction perhaps coming out of the arms/weapons manufacturing angle shown by DJ, but when I heard they make just one film and no Star Wars X I knew that’s not enough, since literally nothing was build up thus far. Massive fail, and the damage to Disney’s brand can’t be overstated.
I really enjoyed it as well, it was my favorite of the sequel trilogy. I found it interesting to see how the leading men - Luke and Poe - are failures in what they do and what they don't do, and how their actions catastrophically impact those around them. And them realizing that, and taking action to become better, was very nice to see, because you don't see men in Western media being portrayed like that. I think that showed the strength of people in terms of their spirit. I have to admit that the film felt like a separate stand-alone because of how different it approached a lot of themes in a Star Wars context.
Most folks like it, just the loud minority that won't shut up.
It's interesting more and more people come around liking this movie. This reminds me of The way Empire Strikes Back was received initially. Apart from Internet power of Word spreading, The reception was identical with The same level of criticism of stuff we now take for granted. (Luke was ruined by being beaten, how come Leia goes for Han, I am your father). Glad people are starting to see beyond The surface level.
The difference is that most of those people will never fully acknowledge how good this movie actually is cause they fear it means they will lose face in front of themselves.
@@bluepearl_22 Well, as we could see from the example of this video's author never say never. I also think that people need to divorce themselves from their expectations and biases before that happens.
That's a lie Rian Johnson made up.
@@GoblinKnightLeo quit making a fool out of yourself, mate.
@@bluepearl_22 it is though they released the ESB in theaters twice because it did so well
But actually the same happened to me too! I remember watching the Last Jedi in the cinema and being kind of bored. I didn't hate the movie, but it was definitely one of my least favorite Star Wars movies and I honestly had no interest in seeing it again. When the trailer for the rise of skywalker came out, my friends and I decided to do a Star Wars marathon and even though we were all quite reluctant to watch The Last Jedi, every single one of us changed their mind at the end. The movie wasn't even half as bad as I remembered and I actually really enjoyed it. I really think that this movie is one of those movies that was a victim of expectations and hype. This movie seems to just get better as more time passes
Just saw this and honestly this is how I felt about this movie the first time I saw it and I was so refreshed that they finally went for it and made something new just to find out fans only want what they've seen before. I thought Luke was brilliant in the film and I'm happy you finally see how great this movie is. Its my 2nd behind empire
"Failure, yes failure most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is."
Btw, it’s completely ok to call Kylo a “Sith” because TROS literally told us that he technically has been a Sith the entire time...
Palpatine - “I have been every voice you have ever heard inside your head” - Darth Sidious basically told Kylo he has been his apprentice since the day he was born, which makes him a Dark Lord of the Sith. Makes sense when you think about how Snoke kept telling him to kill his father, that’s literally a Sith Law...
Obvi You’re not wrong.
That's a bit of a stretch. To be true Kylo would have to have zero impulse control and allow the thoughts and voices within his head control his actions and shape his persona. We've all wanted something someone else had, doesn't mean we've forcibly taken it from them or taken it at all. To make sense this would imply you believe watching violent movies and video games (another voice and imagery) ensures in your future you'll definitely be a sociopath. ;)
That's true
Kylo was not a Sith. He had way too much regret for killing his Dad and he loved his Mom too much to fire on the bridge of the ship she was on. When I think of a Sith, I go to Palpatine and Darth Maul and Darth Vader. Yes Kylo uses a red lightsaber, but he's not a Sith to me.
I continue to think that rewatching the series, and then the last jedi really does make it clearer. The jedis of the prequels were their own downfall, and so Luke has to realize he can't just try to remake the jedi. When he does, he fails. Also I just liked Luke in Yoda's role for the new gen, a hermit who has lots to teach but isn't always clear. But it took me a long time to come to terms with the failures in Poe, Finn and Rose as a part of the story. They all have to learn hard things.
Reallignment of my perception of the films....interesting thoughts! Unfortunatly the criticism is not only about the "meaning", but also about some film-crafting issues!
You can understand why they made the decisions they made, and you can admit how your expectations were averted, but it doesn't make it good or justify the actions.
Of course it doesn't! I'm not here to say the movie is perfect, I'm just here to express my thoughts on a particular point of view the film told
@@ProductionJournal - I liked the video and agree with your statement of what you are trying to convey, but your title certainly says otherwise. I understand it's youtube and you gotta do what you gotta do.
I don't 100% agree with your interpretation of the film, but I do have some serious respect for you. Not a lot of people would be willing to make a whole video where they are basically like, "I was wrong." And while the topic was something as ultimately unimportant as a movie, the way you handled this was inspiring and made me realize that I need to be more willing to admit when I am wrong.
Thank you! And funny you should say that considering the whole "I was wrong" theme encompasses Luke throughout the movie. Everything he thought the Jedi were, everything he came to believe, then ultimately everything he decided to rebirth at the end!
TLJ will stand the test of time for its brilliance, mark my words.
Nope. Ain't happening. Especially since this will be the only Luke Skywalker that we will see on the big screen.
canto bight begs to differ
a lot of people are coming out to praise the movie for its themes and stuff but the canto bight and space chase subplots are objectively terrible
I agree man
The balance of the force is the absence of the dark side. The Jedi didn't fall because they were on the light side, they fell because they chosed the republic over the light side.
Thank you for the video. I also hated TLJ so much before. Now after watching this, I still think it’s shit
I loved The Last Jedi when i left the cinema seeing it for the first time, and still think it's one of the best films in the franchise by far. I'm glad you came around
Sadly the grey area themes weren't really explored all that well.
By the end of it, Rey chooses the resistance and is framed as heroic. Then luke says "You're wrong, I wont be the last jedi". That contradicts what he had said about the time of the jedi coming to an end.
That "contradict" means that Luke has risen from the abyss of miserable despair and returned to our Luke = the Great Jedi Knight.
Don't you think this is Star Wars that encourages people?
The problem is these ideas of nonallegiance and nonconfirmity to an order or side are completely reversed in the third act. Everything goes back to FO vs Resistance, Dark vs. light. My problem with this movie was never that it had these unconventional portrayals, but quite the opposite. It doesn't go all the way. It plays with those ideas of resisting conformity, but then conforms to the logic it was trying to destroy. It's a paradoxical movie.
It’s not paradoxical. It’s making the strongest case possible for the light by building a justified sense of apathy about the conflict and a justified reason for why the dark should have its justice. That the hero’s still stand when they know all hope is lost because of the slimmest possibility exists that redemption is possible is a testament to the power of the light. It’s basically Star Wars pulling a “Crime and Punishment.”
Thanks for addressing why I love this film so brilliantly!
Exactly! Glad people are seeing it through new eyes. Probably in my top 3 star wars films.
I rewatched still thought it was a piece of trash I get what he was trying to do but the execution was shit then went knifes out which was the same idea but executed properly this time.
I rewatched still thought it was a piece of trash I get what he was trying to do but the execution was shit then went knifes out which was the same idea but executed properly this time.
The Last Jedi is not about not picking sides
I loved last jedi, I think it was better than Phantom and Attack of the clones, while the movie missed a lot of good scenes like Finns sacrifice (which would’ve been amazing) it allowed the kylo vs Luke scene to happen which I enjoyed
People seem to miss that Finn would have died pointlessly and that precisely why Rose saved him. Even if somehow crashing into this big cannon actually worked, the First Order would've just taken a couple more minutes to blast the door down or orbital bombarded the place instead. Either way, Finn sacrificing himself would have accomplished nothing.
@@immortalfrieza would have added weight to the film. The movie felt like nothing significant happened.
@@officialthomasjames Killing off Finn wouldn't have added any weight to the film, it would've made his entire character pretty pointless. Plenty of significance did happen and *could* have led to a massive amount of things if only Disney had actually progressed what had happened in TLJ. Instead they did everything possible to ignore, retcon, or mock TLJ and thus didn't acknowledge the many many great plot points that TLJ handed them on a silver platter.
I definitely hated this movie when it came out. I rewatched it in preparation for TROS and I enjoy it a little bit more. Still don’t love but I think the themes and ideas are great. I just don’t think it’s executed as good as it could have. I can accept Luke’s arc but I wish the movie focused more on that. Everything else in this movie doesn’t work for me. Great cinematography tho
ARVI I’ll never accept Luke’s arc because it’s such a huge plot hole. Luke’s motivation to even think about killing Ben makes zero sense when he wanted to save his father
Long Dick Jones I 100% agree with you. I was referring to Luke’s reasons to why the Jedi should fall. You’re right it makes zero sense. Why would he blatantly try to kill his own nephew without trying to reason and discuss with Lea and Han
@@Yoshsterpalooza A fan theory I've seen is that Snoke -- and this was before the whole Palpatine... thing -- wasn't able to influence Luke the same way he influenced Ben Solo but he could get in Luke's head. Not for long, not to do much, but long enough to make Ben feel utterly betrayed, broken, and like he had nowhere to go but to Snoke. Then Luke cutting himself off from the Force -- to avoid giving Snoke another in -- makes sense. It's not established in the movie so I won't give the movie credit for that but I think it makes sense with what we get from TLJ.
@@redhillbones7672 Luke doesn't have to be influenced by Snoke at all for that scene to occur. When he looks into Ben's mind, what he sees is pure darkness - a Force vision that tells of all the death and destruction that will happen when Kylo Ren is born, and beyond that, the darkness of Snoke himself. The Rise of Skywalker recontextualizes this scene by making Snoke into Palpatine, which means the darkness he felt manipulating Ben Solo was from Palpatine himself. Then, when Luke reconnects with the Force during TLJ and reaches out to his sister, the first thing he feels is Rey and Kylo together, in the hut - TROS recontextualizes this too, because not only did Luke see Rey and Kylo sitting with each other, through the Force he feels the granddaughter of Palpatine and the grandson of Vader sitting together. That would be a dark, powerful combination that he has not felt since the Second Death Star in ROTJ.
EscapeVelocity but also luke kept and wanted to keep Vader alive despite Vader killing thousands of not millions of people leading the empire. Not only that Vader could’ve potentially killed millions more if left alive. Despite this luke tried to look for the good in vader. And knowing that he could change vader, why would luke be convinced he can’t change Ben solo?? Because kylo ren is surrounded by darkness? Wasn’t anakin also surrounded by darkness? Luke’s line of reasoning in TLJ makes zero sense
This is a really great analysis! Only thing is, Luke realizes he was wrong about the Jedi ending by the end of TLJ and it kind of brings us back to the same "good vs. evil" conflict.
Nope he realise the jedi had to change...focusing more on the force as a whole and not just on one part...thats why true jedi...are more like grey jedi...and balance doesnt mean one sith one jedi...it meant balance within....thats why when darth vader kill sidious...and the jedi remained...the pure and original luke....the prophecy was fulfilled
I think one can make the point that yoda was a hermit too but it was portrayed very differently, and in the case of luke they did not give the viewer the context to adjust for the proposed changes in the character. In cinematography specially (but also true in any kind of storytelling) how you contextualize, portray and frame a story element is basically everything and it needs to have internal coherence. So if you fuck up that you are not just basically not telling the best story that you could but also alienating the viewer and their suspension of disbelief and you depend on that cooperation to actually make the story arrive home. A late example of that is The last of us 2 where the whole premise they chose for the story could have worked perfectly if they had sequenced it slightly different.
Also people tend to forget that even the original star wars ep IV could have been garbage, and was saved ultimately at the cutting room, through editing, swapping scene order, scrapping content and trying for the whole thing to "make more sense" both visually and in terms of story. And I think that money constrains at the time where a factor for how good it was as it was "pruned" instead of "extended". The moment the studios started to basically throw money at all SW productions reduced the need for self constraint and did not necessarily promote creative people putting the main focus on storytelling but in spectacular CGI and "perceived" fan service. We just got bloated film after bloated film that could have been cut 1h short in some cases ( am looking at you Rise of the Stupidiiest McGuffinwalker) and i think is this lack of streamlining among other graver cinematographic sins (like the lack of a coherent preexisting script for a 3 part trilogy anyone? WTF?) what ultimately harmed the franchise to a certain degree...
The more I think about it, the more I realise I think I love this film.
I always liked this one
You are mad
Well you don’t think very much then... or you like Michael bay films
@@hoosier3060 you sound like you sit by yourself at the lunch table
@@dr.butafer3850 nah. All my friends rag on that trash ass “movie”. But solitude is not a bad thing, especially in a society of morons... much like yourself.
When I left the theater I still remembered the feeling of being on the edge of my seat and how I loved it, then I went to the internet and feels like I was punched in the groin.
I remember not leaving the theater fast enough, I walked out when I saw Leia Poppins. I walked back in because I didn't want to leave my father alone. I wish I went by myself so i could just walk out.
Same.
@@madkabal cool story bro
@@Andyhoffman98 TLJ was the worst movie I have seen in my life. I'd rather watch The Room on repeat then 5 min of TLJ
For a little while, I would hear people say that the point being made in the film was that the whole "let the past die" notion was dumb. I have no fucking Idea how they came away with that. Espescially after Yoda himself just casually decimated the sacred jedi texts and called them lame.
You gonna do a video on RoS? would love to hear your thoughts on it
I've been thinking about it! I'm not a fan of RoS so I don't think I'd just want to be complaining the whole time
@@ProductionJournal I get that man, would be cool hearing your pros and cons about it, though it'll mostly be cons lol, glad you changed with the last jedi though, brill film
It’s says a lot about the cinematography about TLJ that it looks just as good, if not better in B&W than in color.
Great review dude! Glad you realized this film has so much more to appreciate if one pays attention and realizes SW is more than action.
The lighting and framing of the movie is immaculate. I freaking love Rian Johnson.
I've had a milkshake thrown at me in public for saying The Last Jedi was my favorite Star Wars film.