Real Lawyer Reacts: Apple River Trial Jurors Speak Out!
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I think if when it happened he had called 911 and said, a group of guys just attacked me, I had a knife on me so I had to use it to defend myself so please send police and ambulances now, this trial could have played out very differently.
That is true. He just walked away as if he had done nothing..His group said he was in shock ...
Some drunk was after him with a bat. Its no wonder he tried to hide out and distance himself from it all. It's like Monday morning quarter backing.
he would still be convicted. especially with the video.
@@bradyspaceif the drunk wanted to go after him with the bat, at no point would the guy with the bat point him out to the police. It was just another lie alongside “it was their knife” and “they tried to pull my pants down”.
can't disagree with this
I would be so embarrassed if any of my teenagers acted like that. They would never go out in public again till they moved out on their own. Those young adults were horrible and I hope they get their self together and try to be decent humans.
NIC was worse, murderer to boot. Wake up to yourself.
They should have been CHARGED for their assault against Miu, since they were deliberately threatening him, so they could attack him while claiming self-defense. They were on him like a pack of wild jackals, ENJOYING it.
Claiming that they were acting in defense against HIM, is INSANITY.
This court was INSANE, simple as that.
Yes they were totally acting like assholes. However, they didn’t stab any unarmed people or punch any women. It’s sad that people are more offended by unkind words over stabbing multiple people.
@@mshirarhe didn’t punch a woman. No evidence at all.
@@theslickrips5904 just because it wasn’t on video doesn’t mean he didn’t. the jury evidently believed the multiple witnesses including sober ones not involved in the altercation that he did.
I think he actually has a case to sue the police department or get an appeal based off the interrogation where the police told him a lawyer wasn't available, that he'd have to wait.
Thank you!!! Typical tactic by the interrogator!!! The arrest was on a Thursday evening and she told him no lawyer available until Monday which was an absolute lie. Everyone, please wait for a lawyer, don’t talk to the cops!!!
They're also using testimony from before they read him his rights, so they can't use that against him. This is a kangaroo court right out "Deliverance," i.e. same plot, different river, where they defend against attackers, but become the criminals in hiding.
It's not about who hits first, it's who THREATENS first. Miu just stood his ground while they came at him, and witnesses clearly said that he was obviously going to be attacked. So he was well within his rights to push the ugly girl away for threatening him. It was a SET-UP.
Definitely agree police shouldn’t say things like that to sway a persons opinion about a lawyer but he lied about the events so he probably should have known he needed a lawyer.
Very strange for him to think this altercation wasn’t recorded.
He didn't punch the queen of the river! They all lied!!
Sure he did,,,They all said he did before anyone was arrested or charged,,, The jury got it right,
So everyone lied, except for Mui. Oh wait, we have proof he lied from the very beginning and kept it up throughout the day and night.
Yes he did. He lied.
I wish I had never heard about this case.
Totally the same. It has infuriated me to no end that he's going to die in prison for defending himself while the teens who instigated this and assaulted him and called him a pedo while insanely drunk weren't charged with ANYTHING.
@@26michaeluk Except that Miu started the whole thing so it wasn't self defense and these teens got killed, stabbed and traumatized. So there's no need to punish them further.
@@benfrese3573 @26michaeluk is really going wild over this like NM is his dad or something. i agree with you however. NM walked over to that group of people and got into their personal space. instead of being a normal person and saying something like "my friend lost his cell phone in the water. do you mind if I look around by your tubes?", he just started to jerk their tubes around and didn't even say anything. instead he just gave them this weird intense stare. if I was there I would have been thinking "who is this jerk & what tf is he doing jerking out tubes around like that?" as far as whether NM punched Maddie or not, more people in the 2nd group who just originally came over to intervene said that he hit her. just because it wasn't captured on video doesn't mean it didn't happen. even one of NM's friends said he knocked her glasses off her face. he's guilty, plain and simple.
Same
It certainly impressed upon me again that "normal people" are complete lunatics and you cannot trust juries that consist of said lunatics. People will believe they can read minds, they will believe emotions matter, they will make up narratives, they will ignore facts, they will punish by whoever got hurt the most instead of who is responsible. People are a constant threat to you at all times, they are simply insane and not to be trusted.
This happened in a very small town. It was all over the news. There were 500 people at Isaac's vigil. Miu is an outsider to them so I think the outcome had a lot to do with that
In small towns like this, if you don’t do what the town lynch mob demands, you will be targeted, shunned, etc. If you’re on the jury and you vote not guilty when the community wanted a conviction, people will find out and make your life miserable in places like these. These kinds of places have major bullying cultures. I recently just dealt with a situation like this in this small town area I moved to. It can be very culty.
@@rockstarofredondo small town inbred mentality
@@rockstarofredondoI grew up in the Midwest [illinois], but close enough to Wisconsin that I went there a lot for drag races. Lots of the towns in Wisconsin do have a small town feel where everyone knows everybody else.
Or maybe because anyone that looks at this objectively can see He was guilty. He did it out of ego and anger and not self defence. What's scary is anyone thinking this was self-defence based solely on evidence. If you look at the evidence is clear as water. If you see it as " bully's deserve it" than you will rationalize and justify his behaviour.
Agreed... Miu acted in self defense
As a senior citizen I see the defendant's side. A large group of people harassing an older man must have been terrifying.
And you're smart enough to never run up on a group of teens and jump on their rafts. Good for you Betty White.
I was a cop for 34 years and have worked a lot of murders and a lot of trials. I would have never thought he would have been found guilty. This proves you never know what a jury will do and is the exact reason I retired.
Thanks for your perspective. I’m heartbroken for Nic. A drunk mob surrounded him screaming pedophile and they touched him FIRST. Insane.
So telling false information is not a red flag?
The police officer had the information straight from the attackers mouth.and my son was still charged with still was charge with 6 counts of attempted murder. In attackers own words he said he was chasing him.
@dynodin81 was it also a red flag when one of the guys involved was proven to have given false information?
@@Lou-Meatskavitch Well what's the answer to that then? Is it a red flag or not, you tell me.
If the public is 50/50 then how could there not be reasonable doubt?
Because the jury saw all the evidence, not just the outrage bait that the public sees
Funny, there is conveniently no video of him throwing that punch or hit or slap or whatever it may have been. Also everyone of those kids had differing descriptions of that punch or slap or hit or push or whatever it was supposed to be. That right there is enough for reasonable doubt. What a FUBAR situation. I hope this man can appeal this.
Also they pushed him down twice and held him down. Also the teenager who died could have not gotten involved in the first place.
My son was charged with seven charges of attempted murder.Lost everything in his life waiting 7 years for a trial in ILLINOIS . MY SON TOOK THE STAND AND CHOSE TO HAVE A BENCH TRIAL. After 30 minutes my son was exonerated by self defense 100%. Yes he shot his attacker 6 times defending his life.
unfortunate (in the extreme), I'm sorry for the future you ane your loved one must endure.It so goes to where you live uhfortunately. So dumb h0w they apply these lame "attempted murder charges. All I can offfer theough is my condolences and sorrow for your son. What's the verdice "he should have taken a beating from seven to prove his character? in the moment? Stupid
Omg I'm so sorry your son went through that. It's horrible but I'm glad it worked out in his favor.
@Melinda-sz4lh Miu is still guilty AF
Was your son a young, attractive white all-American male....or an older immigrant with creepy looking eyes?
Thankfully your son was exonerated. That in no way means that his experience translates to Miu. Each case is different.
The most pivotal part, of both the prosecution and defence claim, 'Miu threw the first punch' is the only piece of video evidence that's missing. That sets off alarm bells in my mind. For me, that's the key to the entire self defence or instigator argument. There's plenty of video evidence showing Miu being knocked down into the water and attacked yet the thing that was supposed to have started the events leading to the unfortunate killing wasn't captured 🤷🏻♂️
I firmly believe this was self defence, yes Miu didn't help himself with the events afterwards I'll admit, but who's to say he wasn't in some form of shock? I don't for one second think he set out to kill anyone but when you're being attacked by a mob you'll probably just be lashing out trying to stop the attack, I know I would. It's a shame someone died but it's more a shame his 'friends' put him in that situation in the first place. In fact, they're the ones who should be on trial.
An aggressor cannot claim self-defense.
Miu was the aggressor.
Miu aggressively ran up onthe kids.
Miu aggressively touched their tubes and a kid.
Miu aggressively refused to leave.
Miu aggressively pulled out his knife.
Miu aggressively hit the woman.
END OF STORY
@@OldGuy555 Except he didn't though, did he...
Miu was the aggressor.
Miu aggressively ran up onthe kids.
Miu aggressively touched their tubes and a kid.
Miu aggressively refused to leave.
Miu aggressively pulled out his knife.
Miu aggressively hit the woman.
@@OldGuy555 Except he didn't though, did he... You know, it's unfortunate someone died but play stupid games, win stupid prizes 🤷🏻♂️
@@beardedwarrior7023 You don't know the law or the facts. Good luck.
Mr. Miu is a perfect example of asking for a lawyer the SECOND Miranda rights come out. Zip your mouth and get a lawyer.
I'm most cases I agree, but these jurors believed the perjured kids.
Agreed. IMO his interrogation and testimony hurt him worse than the questionable witnesses.
It doesn’t change the FACTS OF THE EVENT!
@@26michaelukThe jury has made a verdict THEY decide the facts PERIOD! Get over yourself you don’t know BETTER!
@@gothgammy666typing caps doesn't make it so
Yes please cover sentencing Peter
For some reason it only mattered that Nic lied, never mind everyone else lying.
Justice prevailed.
@@carrow1057 you are a sick person, you should be ashamed of yourself. 13 v 1
@@carrow1057 how warped and demented do you have to be to think those ‘teenagers’ getting away without a single charge (to do this again to someone else) is justice. You should probably seek help.
He's the one who had the deadly weapon, so ya he shouldn't have lied, if it was self-defense he would have said so from the start.
@@Vanhyen I know when that happens to you you will do and say all the perfect things, surely. 🙄
Even if he walked into their space, that doesn't warrant pushing him down and screaming in his face.
lol yes, it most certainly does. he also just didnt walk into their space. i love how you conveniently left out the part that he came into their space then literally grabs the tubes while they still sat on them. yes, lets ignore that fact. what kind of weirdo does that?
And hit a girl who was telling him to fuck off. I honestly don't know any women that wouldn't have been yelling at him to fuck off and get away from them if they were scared.
He did way more than just "walking into their space".
Saying fuck off will getbyoubhotbshevwasbin hos face.
Did you hear them harassing him before he lashed out!
You know when I watched your last video, I realized how much listening to your videos makes all of us better jurors!!! Thank you
Agreed, now I really want to be a juror one day. It seems so interesting.
The world has moved on from jury trials except certain ones in England. Other nations reject it as arbitrary, capricious, constantly getting verdicts terribly wrong. easily influenced by emotional "avenge us" Victim family campaigning in courts, and in civil cases making ridiculous judgments other nations laugh at.
I don't want to be a better juror. I never want to serve on one be a part of defective, biased jury justice.
But females will always be females, Lol!
@@johnswanson3741 ha ha! Pete should change it to “the lawyer women know”
Oh gawd no.
Nobody ACTUALLY saw him hit her.
All of the teens and people standing NEXT to Madison when "it happened" admitted that they didn't see her get hit! And they were right there!
Exactly. And the person that responded, exactly.
@@michelemccowan5924 and they all lied!!
Yes they did - even someone from Miu's group saw it.
@@michelemccowan5924 so we're just making things up? 😂
the fact that he lied on the scene left him looking guilty.
That doesn't take away a person's right to defend themselves.
@@glenforde6558well apparently it does
It certainly didn't help his case. I get it why he lied, hoping his lies would lead to him getting off and not realizing someone was recording it all. I think even if he had admitted his fault, he still would have been found guilty. I honestly believe he felt his life was in danger and very well could have been. Those punks had NO right touching him. I hope the ones who did got charged...attempted manslaughter to boot along with numerous other charges
@@glenforde6558if he was defending himself why did he lie?
@platedlizard I think that answer is obvious. He wasn't aware how much was filmed. With al that bloodshed people (all strangers to him) are going to call him a murderer and then he will say it was self defense. Who will believe him? Then he learned about all the camera evidence. so then he later feels more confident. Simply put he lied because he got scared. Innocent defendants sometimes lie. It is not so unusual
Brother it was never 11 on 1 why do you people defending this guy keep seeing it like that its ridiculous. He was never even hit with a forceful blow dude didn't have a scratch on him, at most after HE charged them on the tubes then HE hit Madison there was 5/6 people and they werent brutally attacking him there was a slap, a push and a halfassed grab never a serious punch. If they wanted to beat that man they would've knife or no knife they didnt want to hurt him physically until he escalated it to a physical confrontation.
I would like to watch sentencing. Thank you
Look it up. Jeez.
@@pjnix5618 it hasn't happened yet jeez! They are just telling the channel to cover it.
it's going to be a shit show with music glorifying all those kids
@@clayton56tubeno doubt you see the sickening Bull Sh.t.
Yes, I’d like you to cover the sentencing. I’m new to your channel. I’m really enjoying your stuff. You explain everything clearly and you’re so interesting.
I agree. I’d like him to cover sentencing too. I’m so curious to hear “what, if any”, thoughts the judge has on the facts of the case. Also I feel the sentence itself would be an indication of how he views the case.
The sentence really doesn’t matter. Even if the judge sentences him lightly he’s still going to die in prison. Like is he really gonna get less than 30 years when he’s convicted of 1 reckless murder and like 3-4 cases of reckless attempted murder? Seems far fetched
@@ichiro85 I have lived here in Hudson, WI, for 20+ years, and know the judge. I have no doubts he will deliver a harsh sentence. I also believe his message to Mr. Miu at that time will be stern.
Judge Waterman is an honorable man of integrity and as any good judge does, he separates personal feelings from his duties. There’s no doubt that this has pained him, however. If you look back to the video of Miu’s initial appearance, an observant person can read the pain on Judge Waterman’s face. This is the type of community where violence like what happened over on the Apple River is an absolute rarity. It left us all utterly stunned.
Definitely cover the sentencing. Does the judge have to do the full 90 plus years?
I want to know that too. Does he have the discretion to apply what he thinks is an appropriate time or is it down to mandatory minimums again?
Go listen to the (ex) wife’s testimony. This is why I felt it was no longer self defense. She said after the 1st altercation with the teens, he came back to where the wife and their friends were, she said he picked something up (I think the knife) then he went BACK to confront the teens. In my opinion he went back looking for a fight..
he was looking for his snorkel which he dropped
Nic lied but so did most of the witnesses..
Hid the knife, lied about the knife, DIDN’T call police, lied to police (after sooo many people called them), Sooooo many lies! HE knew it wasn’t self defense!
I would say not just most. possibly all of them. No one could read minds but but I saw and heard a lot of things that were Highly Questionable whether they were accurate or not
@@beccalcswwrong
Not only did they (mostly) 'all' lie... they even fabricated a whole lot too! And most everyone there was extremely drunk, yet that part was just not highlighted as much as should have been. Video speaks volumes. Just a sad mess on so many levels.
Seems like Miu was ultimately acting out of anger rather than self defense. But were the kids not responsible for escalating the situation? Pushing him down in the water when they were 12 on 1?
I took the juror comment of “we had more people believe he threw the first punch” as during deliberations more jurors believed Miu threw the first punch vs the girls throwing the first punch. Might be wrong but that’s how I interpreted it.
You're wrong, he was talking about the kids that committed perjury.
That was also how I took it when he first said it. It hadn’t occurred to me that he might be talking about the witnesses until Peter said that. I think it’s more likely he meant the jurors because he said “WE had more people say…” which feels like a collective group that he’s a part of. If he meant witnesses or the state’s case I think he would have said “there was more people” or “they had more people”
@@herroyalhighness5634 I agree. I thought he meant the jurors
No woman threw a punch, honestly people are just making stuff up. Did anyone actually watch the vidro and let what happened sink in?
@@26michaeluk you don't know that for sure. I believe he was talking about the jurors.
Thank you for making this video. It is always interesting to hear from jurors, and hear your perspective as well.
. I would like you to cover the sentencing.
This is why the jury system is complete bs. Mr. Miu had NO LEGAL duty to retreat. They are supposed to be applying the LAW, not their personal thoughts and feelings. Finding out they believed a word of what A.J. said on the stand, when he was an atrociously bad witness and obvious liar, is sickening. Why pay any attention to the VIDEO when you can just take the word of an obviously embittered, angry, completely unreliable witness? And the whole thing of believing Mr. Miu hit Madison because more people said he did than said he didn’t is just disgusting. Not only did this jury not apply the law when deciding Mr. Miu was guilty, they didn’t even bother to apply any kind of logic in making their decision. How tf do these creeps (the jurors) sleep at night?! You should have to pass an IQ test to serve on a jury. These jurors clearly had their minds made up that Mr. Miu was guilty when the case began (and clearly based that decision not on the facts of the case or the law, but on the ages of the horrible little brats that attacked Mr. Miu) and wanted to punish Mr. Miu for their personal opinions and ignore the actual facts of the case. I just pray my fate is never in the hands of 12 biased morons who ignore the facts of the case like these 12 jurors did.
Yes the fact that even in the comments people still seem to think whether or not he stabbed anyone is what the question is. And that him lying after the stabbing makes him guilty. That’s not what the jurors are supposed to be considering.
Amen!
I agree 100 percent!
Also the logic that at the time when he was supposed to be fearing for his life (that would have been when the crowd punched him) he should have walked away? He could barely stand as they kept pushing him in the water.
Also you may have a knife in your hand or pocket but you also have to weigh the odds of threatening a crowd of 11 with it. Could one of them wrestle it away from you and use it? He obviously didn’t want to and didn’t use it until his life was (from what I saw) in danger.
He absolutely had a duty to retreat. If a normal person was looking for a phone where a group is they might say hey I think my friend dropped a phone over there in the water is it okay if I look? Not just run and grab the tube and pushing on and touching the girls without saying a word. He never did anything that was reasonable for the whole conflict he started by himself. He had all the time in the world to remove himself from the situation that he alone started.
Because he started the fight . Thats why the law says the initial aggressor cant claim self defense .
Yes please cover the sentencing!
My main question is why aint the kids getting any charges they where drunk and started the encounter
Defending himself, what a joke IMO! He approached them. He should of walked away! The statement someone made that he should of called 911 and told them what happened instead of running the outcome could of been different! The teens are not excused but there was no reason to kill and hurt all these people!! He was not hurt just embarrassed. Shame!
Did you watch the darned tape? They were laughing and calling him a pedophile, bullying him, surprise they didn't get punched. Bunch of brats.
I don't think we can trust the words of someone who says things like "should of". If you are thrown off by "should've" and write "should of" then lord knows you do not have the perspicacity to absorb the information in this complicated murder trial. If words sounding similar is too much for you then this is well beyond you.
I took the “we had more people say that he punched her” as him saying there were more jurors saying he punched her
No, he's talking about the kids who committed perjury multiple times. Disgusting.
@@26michaeluk Exactly. They mention Miu lying, but there is no mention that the drunk underage teens were lying under oath. This trial made me sick. Especially when I saw that this "for the Culture" tik tok challenge was for attention and likes. They targeted this man because he was alone.
@@michelemccowan5924
Yep…it was all for TikTok views. It’s sick and now this man is going to prison for defending himself. It’s a scary world, then the court system is equally scary.
@@26michaeluk I agree. They ruined this man's life, got their friend killed, and committed perjury on the stand.
@brandih553
I also thought he was referring to the jurors and not the witnesses.
I think the reason the commenters are so split is because we're from different places. I'm Norwegian, and to me it's absurd that someone would ever consider this self defense, while someone from a stand-your-ground state will think my country's laws are absurd. This jury all live in the same area of Wisconsin, so it's not surprising that they're far more unified than the chat about what self defense means.
It's not even about region or legality, it's basic common sense. My country has restrictive self-defense laws too, but I'm not a someone who could believe this is anything but self-defense. You ought to rise above the culture that produced you, even if it is completely insane.
@@Arphemius Common sense says Miu escalated the situation from the get-go when he charged at the boys rafting, lunged and landed right on them and then started flipping their tubes over. He checked his knife seconds before he darted toward them.
I live in the UK and these young adults fxcked around and found out. If I was a Juror I would find not guilty. These young adults deserve to be charged.
Agreed. I think they also see Miu as the one who was at a physical disadvantage.
So was he supposed to meekly accept being punched held under the water and being attacked verbally by 8 to 10 drunken youths??? They were going to kill him = He recently had open heart surgery 😮😮😮 AND - I have NEVER known a Norwegian to stand down to a threat ???
Please do a video on sentencing I like you love hearing the judges take on the entire trial!! Also appreciate when you give your insight, especially when other attorneys and judges give their take!!
omg, yes, can you PLEASEEE cover his sentencing hearing? This was SUCH an interesting case. I went back and forth on it and I'd never heard of this case until your video. Thank you so much for covering it!!!
Yes please follow this until the end. It was a really tough call for me
Thanks for three videos today - I am a supervisor of special education and I have to live eat and breathe spec ed law and have learned so much over the years and has given me a thirst to learn other areas in the legal community and your channel helps with that !
Please cover the sentencing! This case intrigues me, and thank you for breaking it all down and love listening to you.
Another issue: Yes the river is public space but just like in a campground, I think it's a pretty universal outrage if a stranger enters your space with your family and children and refuses to go. Yes it's a public space, but it's OCCUPIED at that moment, just like a picnic table at a park or a portapotty.
It's not like that at all.
@Angel-vb5ot he RAN up to them and grabbed them and their tubes!! He then just stood there, not saying anything when they were telling him to go away. Yeah, that's a pretty universal thing to be outraged about.
@@drewgoodman9014 Exactly. If I was at a park with my friends and some strange dude came running up and started rifling through our stuff and getting right on top of us without saying anything - especially with the facial expressions that Miu had - I'd be pretty freaked out.
@@drewgoodman9014 You know, it doesn't take a genius IQ to puzzle this out. The very beginning of the video shows him running up to their tubes, and tripping right before he got to them. He didn't touch anyone, but he did reach for something. That's when he dropped his snorkel gear in the water and started looking for it. Any logical person should, naturally, question what happened immediately prior to the beginning of the video, which prompted him to run at them that way. We learned, during the trial, that he had been looking for his friend's lost phone when this group of drunk/high/belligerent a$$holes started messing with him. While they were messing with him, one of the drunk/high/belligerent a$$holes was dangling a cell phone, as though it was the one he was looking for. He may have even thought the drunk/high/belligerent a$$hole was being helpful.
@@Angel-vb5otYou are wrong!! You clearly have some issue with the young people, as you make up excuses for Miu's actions....ie he tripped??? Miu did not trip! Hg
Hurt himself. Once he lied to the Lt, he was done.
And yet it didn’t matter in the least for Casey Anthony.
When I saw that interview I knew he was skarewed!
Why though? Everyone lied and what should have mattered was the video of what happened
... and none of the lyin sack o drunk young people lied. Ever
@@younggurlbeer8849agreed, but people react emotionally to lying, and that probably biased these jurors. Not very many modern people are fit to be jurors tbh. Courts have a very difficult time finding people who can actually be impartial and understand their role.
I'm so glad you're covering this.
Thank you for covering this.
I would like to watch sentencing wit your analysis as well as the judges comments on the trial. Thank you
As a juror you need to stand your ground and not give in if you truly believe in your decision !!,!,!,
Which way do you mean this?
Yes! I was on a jury. And they will try to bully you into agreeing with them.
@@honestguy6486really?
3 people would have convicted him on intentional homicide
jobs stop paying after a few weeks. Judge and other jurors threatened me with repercussions if I didnt agree when I was a juror. Just go with the flow Im not gonna get in trouble too i dont wana go to jail
In testimony, in my opinion, it was shown that those witnesses didn't actually see what they said. Plus they are friends and of course they would have talked about it.
This is depressing, hearing how this juror decided.
I feel like they were watching a different trial than we all did. There was no evidence in the video that he punched Madison.
@@TrueCrimeFanGirl there was no evidence he didn't. But she did land in the water and that's when the boys went wild.
@@calliew311 no, she didn't. She's seen on video the second she's back in the frame yelling to her group. Unreal you people defend those punks yet completely don't know the evidence.
Well your opinion is irrelevant
@@TrueCrimeFanGirl11 eyewitnesses testified sweetie and there was audio evidence that’s the legal definition of evidence. Audio evidence convicted Alex Murdoch of double homicide… with no witnesses! Yall are biased and would be TERRIBLE jurors
I have a big problem with this also, they went with the witnesses that “saw” the punch that turned into a “slap” or not really a slap. This is why we are told that we can’t rely on eye witness testimony 🙈, when there is a literal video of the whole thing and we never saw a slap.
His hands are at 1:41 in the video up high coming down to his side
They all react to her getting hit immediately and she mentions it to the police when they arrive, just because the camera wasn't facing that exact direction to get the perfect angle doesn't mean it didn't happen. The idea it was made up later is just dumb and their stories change because the people involved didn't all see and face the same direction at the time it happened...
She also said she had taken a photo of her face showing the assault to her face, but then she deleted it. I think she is a liar, and hope she goes to hell for lying. She might even one day recant her story.
@@Pitolek1993 everyone was extremely intoxicated and perceptions are always not what they seem hence different stories from everyone no solid evidence, she was definitely in his face pointing and shouting at him
Again! He could have walked away. And how is self defense when he was the one taunting them in their space BEFORE the kids stared laughing at him and calling him names . I am not saying that the kids behavior was plausible, but where was maturity in all of this ? I don’t expect maturity from 17/18 years old . I expect it from an adult who, again… could have just avoided all of this carnage by simply swallowing his ego. The kids did NOT attacked him first ! That would have made it self defense . Instead HE was the one that put his hand on the girl. That together with the MANY lies makes him very much guilty! I am glad he took the stand ! Did it helped him ? NOP!!!! But good for us that we got to witness his thinking pattern. LIAR!!!!!!!!!!! Period.
Yes please! Would love to see you cover sentencing.
Definitely would like to see you cover the sentencing and any future analyses of this case.
Thanks for covering this
I always start out believing that the defendant innocent. This seemed like a case of FAFO until he lied and tried to get away. If one is justified in defending oneself one doesn't flee or lie.
When people are scared. They lie. Even if I had killed someone in self defence. I'd be really worried about going to jail. Police don't always get it right. Neither does the judge or jury
I wholeheartedly agree with you. His lies are what sunk him in the end.
He wasn't charged and on trial for lying
@@tmilby74 Exactly
Reguardless of his lies , The video shows the trurh . Self defence .
He did retreat in the beginning but was fully followed on his turned back!
Exactly...if there was jurors with your mindset it could have easily been not guilty
Big deal- you just needed to keep walking
@@DavidDel88I guess you haven’t watched a bunch of videos of people getting jumped from behind
@@jackjon7763 you didn’t know that would happen. You don’t always need to stick knives in kids
@@jackjon7763then why keep turning your back on the people who you fear will kill you like he did multiple times?
I believe checking his pocket for the knife showed intent. Instead of checking for knife he should have walked.
You females would be on his side if he were a women.
He tried that. They followed him.
He was being punched repeatedly and pushed and down in the water by these young adults. I am not calling them boys. He wasn't throwing punches. He wasn't punching back. He knew that he would have no chance to punch one or two or three young adults he would have been punched repeatedly if he threw one punch. That's why he grabbed his knife self-defense oh but if he punch someone else that was punching him would that be self-defense? Yes. Same thing with using a knife- self defense with a knife.
@@kat4animals004exactly brother but you'll never change the smooth brains minds sadly. But we'll said
@@kennethmays8059this.
As I suspected, the jury convicted him based on a false (and inadmissible) argument by the prosecution that Miu should have retreated before using force. This runs contrary to the State's self defense laws - which does not contain a duty to retreat. In fact: if you read through the self defense statutes it actually forbids the court from even being able to consider whether the actor had an opportunity to flee or retreat before he or she used force. Yet this exchange proves it was the primary motivator for the jury. A complete farce of a trial based on an unlawful argument that runs contrary to the state's own guidelines and laws. This conversation with the juror basically hands Miu an appeal on a silver platter.
I was just shocked! He should have been found not guilty bc 🙌 he tried to get away! Those kid bullies and adult bullies had him surrounded. If he were here he wouldn’t have been charged!
I like your new background, I’ve been away from yt for a while so maybe it’s not as new lol but it looks good 👍
It wasn't just the Prosecution that labeled them as boys. Miu himself called them kids. He said they were kids acting like kids in his police interview, and that stuck with me. He saw them as kids, he stabbed a kid in the heart, and showed absolutely no regret.
Well he did have both his hands on his neck …I’m not sure how you show regret. I feel Isaac was overly influenced by the older guys and he was gonna help save everyone. That part is really sad, Isaac wasn’t being a bully at the moment. Although I would have taken same action too if he had his hands on my neck.
@@candykane4271 He placed himself in that situation. He could have walked away and been done with it several times.
He wanted to teach the kids a lesson. Looks like he's the student now.
@@anitaholst7671 and so could have Isaac …think about it
Before he was attacked, he likely did see them as that, which is why he did not "walk away", as your side insists removes his self-defense claim (it doesn't). He certainly doesn't see the pack of hyenas as kids after he was attacked by them.
@@Arphemius Exactly. It doesn't matter who they are normally (or how they look) but what the ended up doing to him. For instance, when Madison runs to him and shouts at him, at his face, to "f*cking go" while she's grabbing him by the arm, he doesn't even react defensively at all. He consideres her just "a girl" and he still has plenty of free space around him. He doesn't see that as a threat even though she goes physical on him and has a very aggressive attitude from the get go. It's not until he's sorrounded by too many people and Madison invades his personal space (while the other girl is almost shovelling her phone into his face) that he pushes her out of his safe space.
Not all witnesses were in the same group on the river. The witnesses not in the kids group also said they daw Miu acting strange aggressive and could have walked away.
Well another witness not tied to the group said he was scared for the man seeing him being swarmed. And he did walk away until Maddie the fatty jumped in his face and started screaming at him and the group followed him over there. My God what is with the youth today. They have zero critical thinking skills.
What should not be lost on anyone is that BOTH of those groups needed a designated scapegoat (Miu) to be labeled by the court to protect them from extensive criminal and civil legal exposure for their actions. Let's not pretend that all of the people that we watched lie on the stand (there was a video) didn't have an absolute ton of legal risk if the jury determined that Mui acted in legitimate self defense (which it truly appears that he did), and that their actions were now called into question. There is also the psychological benefit to them if they can establish and maintain an internal mental "story" that makes Mui the crazed villain. Can you imagine what it would feel like for them (Cockfield with the camera and dreams of "worldstar" status, etc. in particular) if they had to honestly account for their part in this and the level to which it caused the end outcome?
"De Nile" ain't just a river in Egypt -- it's also a hell of a coping mechanism.
@@zjk1168 umm yeah. the teens go to bed every night of their lives remembering that their behavior caused a friend to lose his life. Don't matter what a jury says. Forever O'Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven.
@@zjk1168and what exactly is the absolute ton of legal risk? You’re full of crap. 😂
@@zjk1168exactly right. They had motive to coordinate a lie because their actions lead to the death of a young guy with a most likely promising future, despite his drunken antics on the river that day. That is a huge deal and the Carlsen group and the teen group, including the adults that supplied their drugs and alcohol, could not risk being blamed. So they threw Miu under the bus.
Would definitely love to see you cover sentences
Amazing how the viewers learn so much from you, but also how you listen and learn from the viewers...helping both sides be better 🎉❤from Andrea 😊
Do you know who else said he could just walk away??? The entire "Mod" that was supposedly threatening his life.
You have no duty to retreat, you also have no duty to not retreat.
Some how people have morphed Stand Your Ground and No Duty to Retreat into you MUST Stand Your Ground and you Must Never Retreat, No Matter What.
Here is the fact that many people's ego just cannot see in any kind of life and death fight situation Standing Your Ground and No Duty to Retreat should be your very last resort decision.
Just think if the well educated 52 yr old man that only had "two beers" (but he is a proven liar???) had seen it for what it was and bunch of stupid drunk teens floating by yelling stupid drunk crap in a river full of drunks and just walked back to his group he would be sitting in his easy chair with his Dog in his lap today.
But instead he chose to "Stand His Ground" of about 3 sqft of Public River and look where he is now, because they do not own the river, they do not get to tell him what to do, and now he is going to be told what to do all day every day for the rest of his life
Just watching these self=defense cases when you make the decision to Stand Your Ground you are entering a legal mine field where the difference between self-defense and going to jail for murder can literally be 1/2 a second that you will not see as you use deadly force.
If there is video the time in between two frames can be the difference between self-defense and going to jail maybe for life.
good point. basically this is the basic approach to self-defense. how do you become a successful defending martial artist? First, you train your legs and learn to run away quickly. fight only when there is no escape route left
Yes please for sentencing!
FAFO looks like Moo found out. 🤣
@@chriz9959 Yup. People also keep missing the point that the actual fight (none of it life threatening) ended after AJ was gutted. Miu chose to continue stabbing people that were even remotely close to him and even approached people and stabbed them.
Miu was well aware of the situation since he had enough sense to, after stabbing Ryan who broke up things, to walk over to his friend. Then, at the end, he walked over to Dante and stabbed him.
And also, he went to them, he left his group and went to them and then wants to claim stand your ground 🙄
Not only could this guy of walked away, he didn’t even really have a reason to be over there in the first place?
When prosecution asked him why he was looking for a phone in the North Bank if it fell in the South Bank I just grinned. No reason at all. 😂
Completely stupid comment... he had ever right to be there.
Deffo want to watch the sentencing. Thank you!
I love this channel - thank you Peter!
The problem I had here was that jurors couldn't play this fast video on their own. They couldn't slow the speed . The witnesses had all different versions of the punch.
The witnesses had a reason to lie. I don’t think he punched her.
What irks me the most, our society has adopted this maniacal wokeness where you are suppose to be passive, you’re suppose to endure bullying. This is the very reason we see school shootings. These pathetic apathetic young men were bullies. They could’ve helped him. They could’ve deescalated. Yet they continued to goad Mui. Then these feminist took it upon themselves to play lady liberty. 😂 talk about therapy for life… Mui did them good. His defence was simply weak!
@@patricianab6546 I agree with you. I don't think he punched her either. There is absolutely no evidence, no Mark, nothing on video, she couldn't even remember what side of the face she had been hit or punched, on!
I don’t think he punched her either. His lawyer was spot on, a guy of his stature would leave a mark, do more than just knock her glasses back and make her stumble. I believe he put up a block just like he said to get her obnoxious loud voice out of his face a bit.
@@Frontline-K9 may be he can file an appeal… they should set a gofundme or something…
If I were Miu, I would have left if I was heckled by teenagers and said to myself, fuck that
insured phone because it's not worth it.
Well just because you would hypothetically it doesn't mean he has to or should have.
And that's why he deserves to go to jail!
His group told him not to, he voluntarily put himself in a bad spot. The kids actions don't meet the use of deadly force. Any cPL holder knows that.
He ran up to the group of rowdy teenagers.
@@a.N.....
Untrue…their actions very much exceeded what constitutes the use of defense with deadly force. I grew up in Philly, if you’re surrounded, getting an ass whooping at the very least was expected and more often than not, or you were going to suffer great bodily injury or death.
In Miu’s situation, prosecution convinced the jury that he struck Madison. In which case, according to WI law, he cannot claim self defense with deadly force unless all other means had been exhausted.
Something about this nightmarish incident reminds me of the John Boorman film starring Burt Reynolds, 'Deliverance'.
To me Miu looked like he had fun to get in trouble with those young people. 😮😢
I'm pretty sure he had trouble before with other people in his life.
I'm VERY glad that Isaac and AJ are not my beloved kids 🙏
When I was young, I did NOT know how much alcohol is okay for me and if Miu would punch someone I would of gotten mad too.
Miu had the knife and did NOT say a word about it and later he was lying, lying 🤥🤥🤥 and had no mercy for those he was gutting und Isaac who he killed, guilty‼️💯
He had absolutely no criminal record in his 52 years of life. Nada.
It seems like the jurors completely ignored the jury instructions regarding self defense. It doesn’t make sense that they would find him not guilty of 2nd degree murder but find him guilty of reckless homicide and reckless endangerment.
The jury is a disgrace. Total braindeads.
Excited to watch this live without kiddo distraction tonight!
What I am surprised by is how no one brings up the he stabbed the 2nd woman before anyone hit him. You can see her in the background holding her bleeding side when Miu is on the ground. That could have only happened before he was hit.
They were strong women that can defend themselves
Actually, they touched him first…they shoved him. Before she was stabbed.
@Michelle-vr9zl they didn't push him. Putting a hand on someone is not a reason to stab them. He hit the first woman and stabbed the second before anyone hit him. He should have walked away. The dude was guilty and it wasn't even close. A jury member has spoken about the decision. It only took 7 hours because 3 people wanted to give him intentional, and all the others agreed on reckless. Not a single member of the jury argued even once that he was innocent. I watched the entire trial and I agree with them. All he had to do was walk away and not lie to the cops.
Please cover the sentencing
I as a juror would probably have taken in consideration not that more people said he hit her first but that these people were from different groups who didn’t even know each other. Plus all the lies Miu said and the off the wall stories he came up with didn’t make him look like he wouldn’t lie now. That already put him in the negative when comparing to the other witnesses.
The other witnesses lied to the police twice, changed their stories, obviously rehearsed what to say to each other and committed blatant perjury. None of them could say what hand he used, where he hit her or anything. Their memory was also useless but somehow they all remembered that. Give me a break. Simping for the instigators is a terrible look.
The juror was referring to other jurors, not witnesses.
The two year narrative of these kids is all the community knew. "A crazy lunatic stabbed innocent kids on the river"
This is happening all across America to defendants that get gagged, their family can't even speak up for them and then you get sht jurors that "claim" they can remain unbiased.
I've already seen it happen in three murder trials in just a year. It's disturbing, it's unfair in a system of "innocent until proven guilty". Social media is a game changer and our judicial system laws should change accordingly.
I have ZERO trust in juries anymore and it hurts me to even say that..
@@26michaelukexactly- the lies canceled each other out. If he walked in the direction the river wench commanded he go was deeper water- could Mr Miu swim? Would the mob follow him? We don’t know.
He didn’t punch people- didn’t see him punch anyone.
On the subject of "no duty to retreat" in Wisconsin:
939.48 Self-defense and defense of others.
2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person's assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
drowning is imminent danger of death.
Thank you. This provides considerable insight. So the claim would be that Miu was acting unlawful when he “struck” Madison provoking an attack from the boys…thereby unable to claim self defense. So even if he believed that his life was in danger, he could only act in self defense that didn’t involve risking serious injury or death to the boys unless all other options had been exhausted. Interesting…
@datsumcrzysht Funny Fact. No video of his assault on Madison
@@angelapetrick9675
Another funny fact…I placed quotes around “struck” for a reason.
@@angelapetrick9675
Just fyi, I’m not thrilled that the verdict was not favorable to Miu. I was just commenting on why the jury may’ve came to such a conclusion…IF…they felt/believed that Miu did in-fact hit Madison.
Thanks Peter!
As soon as the juror said "more witnesses said he DID punch her", I was glad you responded to that, because it immediately bothered me. For the exact reasons you stated. All of those teens (or maybe not teens now) had motivation to lie if it wasn't true. They're all on the same side, and had a vested interest in convicting Miu. So I wasn't a fan of that answer. I think there's a better way of coming to a conclusion on that. But man this case would be a lot easier for me if whatever happened between Miu and that woman had been on video.
Even IF it were true, it doesn't constitute an "on-going threat" that needs to be "STOPPED".
...Plus, their reactions weren't genuine for a Man punching a Girl.. IRL that would be ALL-OUT-WAR.
@@nikolaikalashnikov4253 I agree. I've commented on that as well. Even if he did hit her, why was it necessary for them to start attacking him? It's not as though they couldn't have gotten in between Miu and the woman and called the police. Instead (imo ) they escalated the situation, just as the women did initially by getting in his face and shoving him. The women were the first to intitate physical contact, from what I saw anyway.
Miu was the only one who admitted to lying.
Exactly. Those punk kids lied and told two different stories to police and committed perjury every last one of them.
Well, now we know how well that works. I'm not sure what the hell is wrong with this jury, but they really blew this one. Maybe it would have been better if they actually stayed awake during the trial. Maybe that should have been part of the initial jury instructions.
Yeah, Miu is a very honest person lol
@@26michaelukexactly and why are they not charged?? He lied because he was scared and in shock I mean look at what he had been through and having to stab 5 people to protect himself how would any of us feel after that. Awful what happened to this man
@@mariemurphy2748 yeah I wanna know how none of them were charged with ANYTHING, after committing a multitude of crimes. Exactly what I said to someone, he was in shock, clearly, and that's why he lied. Good to see people agree with me. Thanks.
Heard one speak earlier. 2-3 pushed for intentional!?😳😖
Absolute travesty. I'm much less than proud to be from this area, and the fact that an out of towner (with an accent and culturally different facial expressional, etc., no less) got totally "homejobbed" by a community (jury, very much included) that REALLY doesn't want to admit that some of their "golden boys" just... weren't.... is disappointing, but very unsurprising.
I followed the trial and think it was intentional. Not beyound the reasonable doubt, but one could conclude by Miu actions he was searching for excuse to carve someone up.
Look at his sneaky smile when he got knife ready.
@@burdjija Oh my god, stop believing you can read minds, you psychopaths.
I'm not even surprised... In my country criminal trials are usually decided by tribunals and not jurors, but the few times jurors do they come up with such stupid veredicts that judges had to ask for a retrial. We had this famous case of an elderly couple (they were in their late 70s) that had two young men invading their house during the night. They knew the couple had a safe with money. The criminals started to get very violent to them even though they were complying, to the point that they were breaking the wife's fringers. The husband was leading one of them to the safe and used that as a pretext to grab a revolver he had hidden next to the safe. He ended up shooting one single time, hitting one of the assailants in the neck, which resulted on him bleed out to his death. The old man was prossecuted for that (in my country the law is not like in the US, and you're house is not considered your sacred safe space). During the trial, the even the "surviving" assailant said himself that he would've done exactly the same as the old man. And yet, the jury sentenced the defendant guilty of manslaughter, and in the explanation (in my country the juro has to elaborate the reasons a little bit) they said the reason he was found guilty was that he could've defended himself in a different way... EXCUSE ME? And old 70-80 year-old man against two 20-something year-old men?? The judge called the jury's BS out and call for a retrial. Ridiculous.
@@georgezee5173 That's absolutely insane and I agree, you can't trust people to not be lunatics. Juries are as unpredictable as a rabid coyote.
I'm watching George Alan Kelly the AZ rancher trial. I would love to see your commentary on it
I want to have you do the livestream for the sentencing. It would help to know that justice was served in full and not just the guilty part.
I missed the live video (happened at 3:00 AM here). When he said _"more people thought he threw the 1st punch"_ I agree with what some people said in the chat: he was probably meaning that more people in the jury thought that, not "more witnesses" thought that.
I'm honestly not too sure about that. That jury didn't seem all that sharp -- even the ones that stayed awake the whole time (which was less than the 12 that made the final decision).
@@zjk1168the “spokesperson” we have just heard from definitely did not impress anyone with his intellect. Heaven help anyone who ends up falsely accused in that region.
It's pretty evident from these interviews that despite the detailed instructions the jurors didn't understand their obligations or didn't care.
In a nut shell.
Amen
Thanks for this video. I love hearing from the Jurors too.
Replay crew here…thanks so much for this video Peter…still have mixed feelings about the verdict and so wish he’d gone straight to the police and had never lied…
Will be watching Karen Read case as well as your Daybell updates! 🙏😊
He should've gone home instead of murdering a 17 year old and stabbing 4 others.
But Miu even admitted himself to placing the 1st unwanted touch..he said he at least pushed her and could have hit her but didnt "intend" on hurting her..and to be fair, he actully did the first unwanted touch on the boys when he rushed...he ran over to them at the very beginning and then started lifting the tubes and touched some legs of strangers...they could have had fear right then!!💯 So thats 2-3 people that he touched in an unwanted way before anyone laid hands on him...the verdict was correct IMO..but it is sad for sure all the way around...and the juror didnt say Miu must take the stand...he said it was his opinion that after all the fleeing the scene...showin no concern for the human lives bleeding out as a result of his actions.. concealing evidence, notably throwing the actual weapon... and also, all of his stories and lies he told..juror said it was simply HIS opinion that Miu needed to take the stand to clear some of that up..he didnt say he would have held it against him if he hadnt..i found him to be basically saying he thought his attorneys and Miu made the same choice he would have to take the stand.. unfortunately,there was soo much for Miu to clear up, and he didnt do that..he got caught in more lies tbh...it was a train wreck...he didnt display actions that someone forced to used deadly force as self defense to protect his own life...he acted the opposite of that as tho he knew it wss wrong or unjustified from day one until he was on the stand... guilty as charged..thanks jury for your duty❤😢
@Melinda-sz4lh and made contact with her face as everyone has said who was there.
Miu did not say that…Madison & Riley were both pushing on him before he tried to get Madison out of his space (video & trial pictures show this).
@@tugboat2 go listen to his testimony and then tell me he didn't say that...he did.
@@TJ-so9xo Let me correct myself…the VIDEO shows she touched him first. I wouldn’t blame him if he lost track of timelines in the chaos of the moment but the video shows her hands on him first.
Yes, he could of walked away, instead he used aggressive behavior by running at them and touch them
BS. Those kids are punks. He should have been acquitted.
Why does sentensing take so long ? Why not get it done while the trial and details are still in fresh memory ? 🤔
Yes, please cover this.
I have rafted on these Wisconsin Rivers more times than I can count.... in swimming trunks on an inflatable raft, there is no logical reason whatsoever to carry a sharp object like that in your pocket to drift down the river for enjoyment... the moment he took the sharp object out of his pocket to utilize against other people was when his intent to mrdr was established. It is a fair and reasonable belief that a sharp object like that is a d3adly object, the very act of choosing to use it against others proves the d3adly intent.
It's difficult for people that don't understand law to understand how that works. It's unfortunate they couldn't get there on that highest charge, but I appreciate the jury for being fair and careful in their proceedings 🙏🏼
so, with your extensive experience on Wisconsin Rivers, you no doubt have seen some of these tubes tied together for groups who want to ride together, right? Well, follow me on this one, the way they do this is to use some kind of rope material to wrap around a bunch of tubes to secure them together. Well rope rarely comes in the exact length to suit your purpose each time. It usually has to be cut to size. Do you really think they cut the rope with their teeth? No, most would use, you guessed it, or maybe you didn't, a knife!
Would Miu have walked away if he didn’t have that knife in his pocket?
Good question
Absolutely not. And the video would’ve never been seen.
He should have walked away before escalating it in the first place.
Absolutely he would have walked away. Everyone would have. Only one of the "teens" ever touched Miu and that was after he had stabbed 4 people and struck a woman. If Miu would have tossed his hands up in the air and said "Im getting out of here". He likely would have been mocked but everyone would have walked away.
@@beetothetee Yep, if Miu had walked away, this probably wouldn’t have happened.
And if the “kid’s” had not starting verbally attacking him, this wouldn’t have happened.
And if the “adults” had taken a minute to figure out what was actually going on, this wouldn’t have happened.
And if the “adults” had not physically attacked him, this wouldn’t have happened.
or if Miu had not been in terrible physical shape, he probably would’ve fought back with his fists and been overpowered by the mob and knocked out and drowned.
Or if none of them had gone to the river that day, this wouldn’t have happened.
…but it didn’t happen any of those ways so you have to look at what actually happened. Miu was put in a position where he was forced to defend himself and he did. Imagine this situation where everything is exactly the same except Miu was a woman, would you honestly still feel the same way?
Great as Always Peter!
Saying you are scared and not leaving doesn't make sense. Standing your ground for what reason?
Because you're not a coward who is going to be bullied by a bunch of drunk teens?
Have you ever been surrounded by an angry mob before????? It's not that easy to leave!!!!! In many situations that's when they attack!!!!!!
Thanks for teaching us so much about the law!
Mui walked up 100 ft over to the kids , got in the kids space, it would be different case of stand your ground if Mui was on his own ground instead of invading others ground. The kids did not walk up into Mui
Uh he walked away and Maddie came from the other group and got in his face and started yelling and pushing his arms. The group followed him over there. Jesus watch the video again before commenting.
The river is a public domain, and he can go wherever he chooses.
@@26michaelukreally? He began to walk away when the boys were spouting garbage so he turned around and basically charged the boys who were simply floating on their tubes. THAT'S when the boys got scared and began calling for help. It was AFTER that the girls came over and he punched Maddie. He had his knife... HIS knife, in his hand BEFORE he hit Maddie. Maybe it would be prudent if YOU went back and watched the video.
@@26michaelukShe couldn’t have “gotten in his face” if he hadn’t turned around and walked toward the group. It’s basic common sense.
i agree with you 💯 percent. in addition, when he walked up to them he didn't say anything. he just gave them all this intense weird stare as he was pulling at their tubes. if I was there I would have been saying "wtf are you doing?" too. he could have walked over to them & said "my friend lost his cell phone. do you mind if I look around in the water here? " some of them might have even offered to help him look. instead he did seem like a nutter. NM didn't act in self defense. he didn't call out for help to anyone... not even his own group of friends who were within shouting distance. instead he just pulled out a blade. if it truly was self defense he would have immediately told his friend group right after. he would have been shaky & upset & scared. he would have said something like " I was just attacked by a group of people and I had to defend myself. some of them got hurt in the process. someone please call 911 because I need the police here now so I can file a report of what happened to me ". instead he was silent about the ordeal to his friends. he threw the knife away to try to hide it. he puts on a hat, shirt & sunglasses to disguise himself. then he LIED to police!!! those are NOT the actions of an innocent man who had to defend himself against an angry mob.
I would be interested to see you follow the sentencing
Miu shoild have walked away, but once he knew his knife was in his pocket, he felt compelled to challenge the drunk kids, it seems to me.
Plus, all his lies to cover up, not a tinge of regret, just incredible that he ruinef his life in an instant!
He 'challenged' them before feeling for a knife....
Interesting to hear that some jurors pushed for intentional. Looking forward to this one.
The jurors got this one so wrong.
I think it's intentional because he KNEW he had the knife on him when he approached the teens. And minutes before he pulled out the knife you can see his right hand grabbing the knife. If he was truly scared, he would have never approached the group. He would have told everyone he had a knife, brandish the knife in a last attempt to get people to back off.
@@Aoeror98hindsight is 20/20 fact is u don’t know how u going to act when put in that situation. I think those “kid” where going to keep harassing him even if he try to walk away, I don’t believe he threw the first punch n I don’t believe it was intentional. I think he didn’t know how to react to that situation and got nervous the scare when bunch of young man cuz those weren’t kids, started to punch him around. Only then he pull the knife.
@@katdavis5939
Yes & he was trying to block them from attacking him with his arm.
I don't think he hit anyone. He may have Shook her off his arm. The man was in Panic! I was jus watching it! OMG - who makes greats decision in the middle of Fear & being beat down in River by Some Underaged Drunk Too young to even be drinking..so out breaking the law..in public!
OMG - JS-Imo
Appeal this Verdict. Be sure the Jury is Over 45..mostly...then maybe more understanding. JS-Imo
Women rule on emotions, and seem to have won over any of the men that had any common sense, if any really did!!
The defense lawyer was very good. That’s only reason this was even slightly in doubt. The guy ran over at the guys, because he thought they had his friend’s cell phone. He took his knife on purpose. His friend knew this could be bad, and that’s why he didn’t go, even though it was his phone. He pulled out the knife ready to stab before he ever was attacked. Then he left, and lied about it. I would of voted for the maximum charges.
He took out the knife when the women would not leave their hands off him and 4 men showed up. He was fine with the 6 teens.
Never talk to anyone but a lawyer. There is a reason its a right.
You do such a great job... My first time seeing is on this case..please cover whatever you can.. I kind of feel bad for him... I do believe however... He didn't leave bc he knew had a weapon..
I thought Miu hurt his case by testifying. I personally would have voted not guilty, but even to me, Miu looked like a liar. He lied to the police after the stabbing, and then he lied about lying to the police... which means he lied when he swore to tell the truth... any time he was asked about something that would make him look bad he'd say "I don't remember". He said that so many times that a fair number of those were obviously also lies. so I basically disregarded everything he had to say. Again I don't think the state proved it's case, but I'm not broken up about it.
There were a bunch of the "kids" saying "I don't remember" or "I don't recall" on the stand as well.
@@donutsrule7372yep, they all changed their stories and also committed perjury.
Why would him lying after the fact change whether the video showed him defending himself or not?
It was not proven that he hit the girl, there’s no hard evidence and all the witnesses were not reliable. They thought that sending a person to prison serves as a consolation price for the families.
@@donutsrule7372they didn't kill anyone. He lied about even being involved.
He doomed himself