EMERGENCY ALERT: Woobat's and Swoobat's noses do NOT HAVE HOLES IN THEM. They're slightly depressed dark grey surfaces. They're used as stamps, to make heart-shapes.
Love that you guys are still deciding how to average out your votes. The back and forth on these lists is so entertaining! Could have almost been a 2-parter. Ps. I don't think you need a mute. If you guys want to rant, should definitely rant.
Great discussion fellas! These podcasts always fly by while I’m at work man my face lit up when I saw the 3hr time stamp, appreciate the heavy lifting it takes to get these going. 🔥
@@micabryant4513 I feel like stat-wise it'd probably get a bunch of bulk since it's ridiculously fragile for a fully evolved Pkmn. In terms of design I have no clue how it would change, but I'd love to see it have significant gender differences.
I love the Chef's kiss idea at the end of the list. My Chef's kiss for this list is Crustle. The mute is a fun idea, but I think I don't want to miss out on anyone's opinion. Perhaps just muting their rank so it only counts two people's rank for that Pokemon.
this list is like 90% different than what I would pick😂😂. I guess that’s why game freak makes so many different designs. There’s something for everyone. I have watched every anime episode some multiple times I’ve played every single game and I’ve collected cards here and there, so I would judge based off of competitive power, artistic designs and real life applications. but hey I respect the decisions. Definitely very entertaining to watch though😂.
Is it possible for you guys to maybe put a big picture of the pokemon being talked about for reference on the screen to people who do not remember how each pokemon exactly looked. It helps with a picture when you guys mention the small little details. Love watching these tier lists and the chaos of ranking, keep it up boys🥂❤️
Yea, i definitely think you guys should have at least 1 veto (chef's kiss). I cant believe I just sat through 3 hours of this lol. But you guys have really good synergy together.
Glad to see you men back on a tier list. I got BW a few months after it released right before I started senior yr in high school & the first game I bought at the midnight release was B2W2. Had to preorder & stand in the rain outside GameStop😂🤣
This is probably going to be my favorite episode of all time 😆. All in all I do agree for the most part, I wish my girl liligant made it higher, I loved the lumi translation for dusty's muted talking, and I loved the legendary mon ranking.
I will not stand for Conkeldurr hate! 😂 Idk I just like the concept of a titan slamming columns of concrete at anyone who stands in their way. It's supposed to be terrifying :0 Everything else I kinda agree with hehe
I’ve worked with construction workers. That’s pretty darn offensive. I’d call the honorary S tier as the “executive save” 1:39:58 Also fun fact. Coconut Crabs, which Crabtawler is based on, start as hermit crabs. So there you go.
Mimikyu is a Mimic Pikachu however it does not have the Electric typing so an argument can be made it is not apart of the PikaCloke family. Morpeko, however, is my personal favorite.
Love the podcast. What do you think about applying numbers to the letter system so we can do the actual math. S=6 A=5 B=4 C=3 D=2 F=1 Group scoring S=18-17 A=16-14 B=13-11 C=10-8 D=7-5 F=4-3
Stoutland is one the best normal type early pokemon in my opinion Also Emboar is criminally underrated, I think it is so badass with the beard of flames, the signs on it@s body and it firing up with a dire situation, to the point of enjoing it + the emphasis of it caring for it's friends, when it looks like such an intimidating mon. In game it always felt like a badass tank that took every hit and KO'ed back
Guys can you make some Murch with all three of you together. I can't choose just one of you. The three of you is what makes the hidden power podcast. I don't have enough money to buy all three as much as I'd like to. I'm if I had to choose, and this isn't because he's my favorite, would be soulbasore only beacaue in a kanto fan boy and I always choose bulbasor
I tapped out of the franchise by Gen 4 so any of your takes on the rest of these Pokémon I just have to take your word for it 😂 which is to say if there’s gonna be a new Unova game next year then that will be my first exposure to Unova
I have never understood the clothes are bad arguments for pokemon being bad. People want pokemon to look like monsters and so many myths and stories of monsters have them wearing clothes or looking huminod but then when pokemon takes inspiration from those stories people say they are too human like
Dusty: "Pidove, another Pokémon that didn't need to exist, this whole line could be erased" You choose war?? I would murder 3 Pidgeys to keep Pidove alive.
Oh man since Victini is one of my most nostalgic and favourite pokemon you guys are very lucky for that A Tier decision 🔫 Ay, guys ... now all of a sudden Squawkabilly is superior to the Unfezant line? Well, in my opinion Pidove is very cute and i put it in my "favourite mon"-tier because it's jsut a lil pokemonified pidgeon. And tranquill ... just does somethign positive for me. And also Lockstin made a very interesting video about the Unfezant line. Made me appreciate them more but not elevate the whole creature or designs on their own for me. Stone crab ... mhm Lumi, we won't ever let go of that inside joke it seem But hey i aprreciate the Leavanny love Lumi! 🍃🪲 Oh what Cottonee holds the leafs? I didn't knwo that, where was that shown? I can't find anything on google. Some of my favs and highly regarded ones like Blitzle, Lilligant unfortuantely seem a bit too low imo but oh well. 🤷♂ YES DUSTY! Maractus is so adorable and awesome! One of my faves!🌵🎶 Yo Lumi, how about a regional form of dwebble using a polteageist shell? Did you guys knwo that trubbish is a cat? 😸 www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/lkf5ir/wait_trubbish_is_a_cat/ (btw thanks guys, you made me move it up to "i like it alot"-tier for my all pokmeon tierstlist! ^^ Hmm, Escavalier kinda seems Digimony to me now... Oh i guess he really went and hid the bodies. Well that was fun, ... looking forward to the 6th gen one now. If Helioptile won't be S tier ... we are gonna have a VERY PHYSICAL talk! 🤛🤜 Have a good day! 💚
Banana pythons are not a real thing, there are human bread pythons that have been selectively bread to have banana colors, but those are not a species of snake, just color morphs
BW was my first experience playing a new gen first games were HGSS, and to this day I still just do not like the pokemon from this gen. I definitely agree with many that the games themselves were heavily underrated at first, but I think the massive swing towards it being beloved now has made the actual pokemon themselves overrated by many. It might also be because the two gens with what I consider to be the best roaters are right before & right after it, but most statistical data does back up that gen 5's roster isn't as well liked as it may seem to some.
Finally got around to watching this as playing catch up on missed episodes 3 hour tier list was awesome I agree that not everything needs to be a 3 stage. Some are fine as stand alones or 2 stages like I think Pidove to Tranquil should've been the line and no Unfezant. Same with not needing Tynamo in the Eelektross line.
Awesome video as usual, already looking forward to the next one! Also, I'm with Dusty, Conkeldurr is S. Love 'em! The banter was hilarious though, lmao! Cofagrigus is easily S as well, Runerigus would be F.
yeah nah DNA splicers arent artificial. Remember before BW2 came and there was data for the item Grey stone which was just like Black stone and white stone that housed Zekrom and Reshiram? Yeah that stone is the DNA splicer. So no way is the fusion of Kyurems artificial. The fusion of necrozma are artificial tho because the N solarizer and lunarizer WAS made by colress. He was able to make that after seeing DNA splicers in action. Honestly think about it, Dawn wings and dusk mane necrozma are just incomplete forms of ultra necrozma. If necrozma was at full power, he would not need those intermediate states to steal all the light in the world.
The passionate disagreements make your tier list videos enjoyable. You guys should go back through all your S Tiers once you have finished all the Gens and do an ultimate ‘Keep or Drop’ from S Tier. No re-ranking just keep in S or drop.
Damn straight bro I'm glad somebody else finally agrees that Emolga is the best Pika clone because in my opinion it is and I don't understand all the hate for it
Gen 5 gave you the experience of playing a pokemon game for the first time, where everything was new and exciting. It was the best experience I ever had with the series. Also Garbodour > muk, Klinklang > weezing, Vanilluxe > dugtrio. Fight me.
the thing with gen 5 designs was it was the first time casual fans and parents thought Pokemon ran out of ideas. that harmed the brand as a whole for a long time. now before i get hate, i don't hate gen 5 designs, like with most gens some designs are good some are bad. But what i didn't like was that most of the Dex homage to Gen 1. I think if B/W was made today it would have been convergent evolution for all the Gen 1 Pokemon, with a few new Pokemon to spice things up.
No, this is a solid take! The choice to take such a different art direction from what we’d seen before combined with a lot of the Pokemon being homages to originals was really a huge set up for people drawing comparisons and 9/10 times, the original is better than the sequel!
@@micabryant4513 i would say people were 50/50 on the gen 4 designs which evolved from older Pokemon, at least that's what i remember from the time, but the new designs weren't overly hated, once again it comes down to personal taste but luxray, lurcario and garchomp to name a few, all had a positive reception. What people hated about gen 4 was how slow it was, mechanically speaking, 5 minutes to watch a health bar drop and all that malarkey. Add on the lack of type diversity in the base game, 4 dark lines two of which were version exclusive, fire had 2 options 1 being a starter, 4 ghost lines 2 of which are in game events, spiritomb (30 friends) and drifloon (fridays only) so both are easy to miss out on or get to late to add to your team. And the honey trees which are real time based and six hours at that, plus had 6 pokemon lines you could only catch by doing, with munchlax being 1% on like 4 special random trees. All of these things annoyed the fan base, which probably didn't help B/W. whereas in gen 5 from the first ads people started to say Pokemon has run out of ideas. A lot of the designs weren't liked out the gate, and it shows in the sales. I say this as a huge fan of stunfisk. Over time people have gotten used to gen 5 designs and they have grown on people, but only a few were liked off the bat, Volcarona and Braviary are the only ones i can remember the majority loving.
Here's my Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 5 Pokémon: Krookodile Line Volcarona Line, Haxorus Line and Hydreigon Line Emboar Line and Gigalith Line A Majority of Bug-Type Pokémon of Gen V Chandelure Line and Excadrill Line Zoroark Line and Bisharp Line Eelektross Line and All Fossil Pokémon of Gen V Druddigon Unfezant Line (Male Variant) and Serperior Line Samurott Line, Seismitoad Line and Swoobat Line Zebstrika Line and Ferrothorn Line Gothita, Gothorita and Vanilluxe Line
Bro samurott is so good both hisuian and unovan they are both S to me the hisuian one is definitely better but I don't get it how Lumi could think such different of these they are very similar in shape
Pignite is a great middle stage starter! Its pants evolving and gaining suspenders was the specific design detail that confirmed to me that the designs were not fake, cause that's such a clever small touch that only Gamefreak would do.
Larvesta..... wooly worms can be in a larval state for YEARS in hibernation before they turn into fuzzy moths 😊 Unlike other bugs with shorter life spans.. Mmmmm Forever to evolve Caterpie can be fully evolved before your first badge easily Nod to actual lifespans It's cool
"It's no cherubi" has got to be a reoccurring criticism 😂
Seeing Soul defend the literal "just a man" Pokemon is sooo ironically hilarious! Especially since Lillipup apparently has a "man" face to him!😂
Dude I love how this man is so obsessed with cherubi its so funny 😂
A voice for the underrepresented
😂 Dusty and Lummi fighting about birds- meanwhile Soul- “I could eat that.”
Best 😂
@@micabryant4513a las dos 🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑🕑
EMERGENCY ALERT:
Woobat's and Swoobat's noses do NOT HAVE HOLES IN THEM.
They're slightly depressed dark grey surfaces.
They're used as stamps, to make heart-shapes.
It makes me sad that so many people think these are the worst Starter Trio but I genuinely think they are so cool
Wait I love the way Lumi used to think Musharan looked like. I actually dig it!
When I close my eyes, I still see giant floating baby head Musharna. I haven’t slept since seeing this thing 😨
@@lumiosepost well you don't have to worry about dream eater then. I see this as a plus.
"I respect that it's a design"
Soul pls
Soul's love for Joltik line made me so happy
Not me thinking Lumie was like 6ft! You can never tell with videos 😮
LOL IM FLATTERED
Ive said it once and I’ll say it again gens 3 through 5 will always be peak
@@micabryant4513 platinum and heartgold are peak tho
It went downhill gen 7 till now
You're also wrong because gen 2 was peak pokemania
100%, the golden age of pokemon.
Gen 6 had some good pokemon too imo.
Love that you guys are still deciding how to average out your votes.
The back and forth on these lists is so entertaining!
Could have almost been a 2-parter.
Ps. I don't think you need a mute. If you guys want to rant, should definitely rant.
An absolute legend!
"Well, we all have pipes down there." 😬😅
I just so appreciate how hip y'all are!
Massive respect for Dusty's take of "maybe there is no original dragon"
I love that theory!
Best gen 5 pokemon are the new bugs added. Especially volcarona
Bugs, Dragons, dark and Physic types fr
Keldeo in crown tundra was shiny locked, BUT it wasn't Mark locked, which is way cooler!
I have a Keldeo the Chipper
I made it all the way only took four days guys, you’re the most entertaining thing I listen during chores&work thank you guys 🎉
Great discussion fellas! These podcasts always fly by while I’m at work man my face lit up when I saw the 3hr time stamp, appreciate the heavy lifting it takes to get these going. 🔥
Glad to know these are helping you get through your day 🔥 thank you for listening and working so hard
3 HR VIDEO, LETS GOO
Yes Lumi, I have been waiting for Swoobat to evolve since BW came out.
@@micabryant4513 I feel like stat-wise it'd probably get a bunch of bulk since it's ridiculously fragile for a fully evolved Pkmn.
In terms of design I have no clue how it would change, but I'd love to see it have significant gender differences.
I love the Chef's kiss idea at the end of the list. My Chef's kiss for this list is Crustle.
The mute is a fun idea, but I think I don't want to miss out on anyone's opinion. Perhaps just muting their rank so it only counts two people's rank for that Pokemon.
Soul calling lillipup a little old man blew my mind
There were sooooo many mons in gen 5 that were so close in design to gen 1 mons in an effort to nod at older players.
As a short guy, I need you guys to do a height reveal. I just turned 17 a few days ago so hopefully it's not too late for me to still grow
You will continue to grow until your 30
My guess is that soul is 6'2 lumi is 5'5 and dusty is 5'10-5'11
this list is like 90% different than what I would pick😂😂. I guess that’s why game freak makes so many different designs. There’s something for everyone. I have watched every anime episode some multiple times I’ve played every single game and I’ve collected cards here and there, so I would judge based off of competitive power, artistic designs and real life applications. but hey I respect the decisions. Definitely very entertaining to watch though😂.
Genuinely listened and watched from start to finish. Love these sort of vids. Keep up the great work.
We appreciate you bro! Thanks for hanging with us. Gen 6 is next. Checkout our tier lists for gens 1-4 too!
Basculin is also inspired by the American flag and political parties. Red and blue, and they fight when they encounter each other.
Good catch!!
Is it possible for you guys to maybe put a big picture of the pokemon being talked about for reference on the screen to people who do not remember how each pokemon exactly looked. It helps with a picture when you guys mention the small little details.
Love watching these tier lists and the chaos of ranking, keep it up boys🥂❤️
We will try this going forward! Thank you for your feedback and for watching 💚
@@HiddenPowerPodcast I love u guys so much. Thanks for listening❤️
Stoutland is so pretty. I agree with you Dusty. Also watched the sun and moon anime, so it has a special place in my heart along with Litten.
"I remember when BW remakes were revealed",
Dusty is a Paradox character!!!
Love your show so much! I listen to it on Apple Podcasts on my commute and I feel like we are all friends!
But also…Hidden Power After Dark?!? 👀
I’m personally offended pignite in F how rude btw love the podcast ❤
Im sorry, man. but that's where he belongs
Yea, i definitely think you guys should have at least 1 veto (chef's kiss). I cant believe I just sat through 3 hours of this lol. But you guys have really good synergy together.
Dusty sneaking Zorua into C when soul and lumi said S is a sin 😂
I want a tier list of every pokemon that appears in New Pokemon Snap!
Pokemon snap
Your list is VERY different from mine lol. Thanks for another entertaining installment.
I caught a female Pidove on my Pokemon Black team. When my Pidove evolved into Unfezant, I thought that it had diarrhea
AYO SIMIPOUR EYES TRUTH 🌊
I love how dusty disregarded like 10 of the rankings you guys did and yall didn't notice
I've only played roms of Bw and bw2, so I would love a visit to Unova.
Finally some Druddigon appreciators! Good taste
Druddigon is so cool
Glad to see you men back on a tier list.
I got BW a few months after it released right before I started senior yr in high school & the first game I bought at the midnight release was B2W2. Had to preorder & stand in the rain outside GameStop😂🤣
This is probably going to be my favorite episode of all time 😆.
All in all I do agree for the most part, I wish my girl liligant made it higher, I loved the lumi translation for dusty's muted talking, and I loved the legendary mon ranking.
Every episode gets better&better (maybe) don’t tell. Let these guys get some more attention! 😊
Thats wild! Welcome to the hidden power universe
So excited for gen 5 remakes 🔥🔥 good video you guys love listening to yalls input Im gonna need to join the discord
Why the hate on Pokémon such as Emboar and Rhyperior. Such cool Pokémon with amazing designs
Soul “I hate these Pokémon” silver
🤣🤣
I will not stand for Conkeldurr hate! 😂
Idk I just like the concept of a titan slamming columns of concrete at anyone who stands in their way. It's supposed to be terrifying :0
Everything else I kinda agree with hehe
my problem with it cause its not a rock type it wouldve been so much better
Palpitoad is incredible!
I’ve worked with construction workers. That’s pretty darn offensive.
I’d call the honorary S tier as the “executive save”
1:39:58 Also fun fact. Coconut Crabs, which Crabtawler is based on, start as hermit crabs. So there you go.
Mimikyu is a Mimic Pikachu however it does not have the Electric typing so an argument can be made it is not apart of the PikaCloke family. Morpeko, however, is my personal favorite.
Hairy Chestical out & about ! 😂
Love the podcast.
What do you think about applying numbers to the letter system so we can do the actual math.
S=6
A=5
B=4
C=3
D=2
F=1
Group scoring
S=18-17
A=16-14
B=13-11
C=10-8
D=7-5
F=4-3
Stoutland is one the best normal type early pokemon in my opinion
Also Emboar is criminally underrated, I think it is so badass with the beard of flames, the signs on it@s body and it firing up with a dire situation, to the point of enjoing it + the emphasis of it caring for it's friends, when it looks like such an intimidating mon. In game it always felt like a badass tank that took every hit and KO'ed back
Guys can you make some Murch with all three of you together. I can't choose just one of you. The three of you is what makes the hidden power podcast. I don't have enough money to buy all three as much as I'd like to. I'm if I had to choose, and this isn't because he's my favorite, would be soulbasore only beacaue in a kanto fan boy and I always choose bulbasor
No way my boy Emboar is in D tier😔
I tapped out of the franchise by Gen 4 so any of your takes on the rest of these Pokémon I just have to take your word for it 😂 which is to say if there’s gonna be a new Unova game next year then that will be my first exposure to Unova
I love Swoobat 🥲🩷
no
@@HiddenPowerPodcast BAHHAHA
Took me literally three weeks to get thru this lol great tier list bros. Only change I would make is to put in Krookodile in S
Fair enough! Thanks for watching jay
I have never understood the clothes are bad arguments for pokemon being bad. People want pokemon to look like monsters and so many myths and stories of monsters have them wearing clothes or looking huminod but then when pokemon takes inspiration from those stories people say they are too human like
Lumi disgrace to anime fans how can you forget the litten and stoutland episode in sun and moon😔
“We don’t need 3 forms… one scoop to two scoops 🤷♂️”. 🤣🤣
Dusty: "Pidove, another Pokémon that didn't need to exist, this whole line could be erased"
You choose war??
I would murder 3 Pidgeys to keep Pidove alive.
I love Unovan Samurott but I hate the official artwork of it 🤣😬
If you haven't played New Pokémon Snap, what are you doing???
Oh im ready for this one
Love your videos.
Love Dusty the most though sorry to the other guys.
keep up the good work.
Nah that’s solid. Dusty is a pretty cool guy!
@@micabryant4513they’re just men! Straight to F 😂
VICTORY
Oh man since Victini is one of my most nostalgic and favourite pokemon you guys are very lucky for that A Tier decision 🔫
Ay, guys ... now all of a sudden Squawkabilly is superior to the Unfezant line?
Well, in my opinion Pidove is very cute and i put it in my "favourite mon"-tier because it's jsut a lil pokemonified pidgeon. And tranquill ... just does somethign positive for me.
And also Lockstin made a very interesting video about the Unfezant line. Made me appreciate them more but not elevate the whole creature or designs on their own for me.
Stone crab ... mhm Lumi, we won't ever let go of that inside joke it seem
But hey i aprreciate the Leavanny love Lumi! 🍃🪲
Oh what Cottonee holds the leafs? I didn't knwo that, where was that shown? I can't find anything on google.
Some of my favs and highly regarded ones like Blitzle, Lilligant unfortuantely seem a bit too low imo but oh well. 🤷♂
YES DUSTY! Maractus is so adorable and awesome! One of my faves!🌵🎶
Yo Lumi, how about a regional form of dwebble using a polteageist shell?
Did you guys knwo that trubbish is a cat? 😸 www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/lkf5ir/wait_trubbish_is_a_cat/
(btw thanks guys, you made me move it up to "i like it alot"-tier for my all pokmeon tierstlist! ^^
Hmm, Escavalier kinda seems Digimony to me now...
Oh i guess he really went and hid the bodies.
Well that was fun, ... looking forward to the 6th gen one now. If Helioptile won't be S tier ... we are gonna have a VERY PHYSICAL talk! 🤛🤜
Have a good day! 💚
Banana pythons are not a real thing, there are human bread pythons that have been selectively bread to have banana colors, but those are not a species of snake, just color morphs
Dusty you like pokemon sleep you will like snap. And soul I feel you would love the graphics in snap
BW was my first experience playing a new gen first games were HGSS, and to this day I still just do not like the pokemon from this gen. I definitely agree with many that the games themselves were heavily underrated at first, but I think the massive swing towards it being beloved now has made the actual pokemon themselves overrated by many.
It might also be because the two gens with what I consider to be the best roaters are right before & right after it, but most statistical data does back up that gen 5's roster isn't as well liked as it may seem to some.
Finally got around to watching this as playing catch up on missed episodes
3 hour tier list was awesome
I agree that not everything needs to be a 3 stage. Some are fine as stand alones or 2 stages like I think Pidove to Tranquil should've been the line and no Unfezant. Same with not needing Tynamo in the Eelektross line.
I know what I am listening to at work!!!!
PSA: Team Lumie!!!!
That is all.
❤️❤️❤️❤️
Awesome video as usual, already looking forward to the next one! Also, I'm with Dusty, Conkeldurr is S. Love 'em! The banter was hilarious though, lmao! Cofagrigus is easily S as well, Runerigus would be F.
Reshiram>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zekrom and yes idgaf about the hair its truly majestic
1:00:16 also early access to Super Luck is sicccck
Rewatchung while i start white 2 for my first time seeing why everyone puts it on soul silver level getting myself hyped
Watched all of it. Yeah for chef's kiss nay for mute.
Need more 3 hour podcasts😅 But I’m not having the Herdier disrespect🙃
This list is proof dragons are awesome! 🐲
yeah nah DNA splicers arent artificial. Remember before BW2 came and there was data for the item Grey stone which was just like Black stone and white stone that housed Zekrom and Reshiram? Yeah that stone is the DNA splicer. So no way is the fusion of Kyurems artificial. The fusion of necrozma are artificial tho because the N solarizer and lunarizer WAS made by colress. He was able to make that after seeing DNA splicers in action. Honestly think about it, Dawn wings and dusk mane necrozma are just incomplete forms of ultra necrozma. If necrozma was at full power, he would not need those intermediate states to steal all the light in the world.
The passionate disagreements make your tier list videos enjoyable. You guys should go back through all your S Tiers once you have finished all the Gens and do an ultimate ‘Keep or Drop’ from S Tier. No re-ranking just keep in S or drop.
I love Gen.5 so much❤
Damn straight bro I'm glad somebody else finally agrees that Emolga is the best Pika clone because in my opinion it is and I don't understand all the hate for it
new hidden power hell yeah!!!
an opinion piece
Gen 5 gave you the experience of playing a pokemon game for the first time, where everything was new and exciting. It was the best experience I ever had with the series.
Also Garbodour > muk, Klinklang > weezing, Vanilluxe > dugtrio. Fight me.
the thing with gen 5 designs was it was the first time casual fans and parents thought Pokemon ran out of ideas.
that harmed the brand as a whole for a long time.
now before i get hate, i don't hate gen 5 designs, like with most gens some designs are good some are bad.
But what i didn't like was that most of the Dex homage to Gen 1.
I think if B/W was made today it would have been convergent evolution for all the Gen 1 Pokemon, with a few new Pokemon to spice things up.
No, this is a solid take! The choice to take such a different art direction from what we’d seen before combined with a lot of the Pokemon being homages to originals was really a huge set up for people drawing comparisons and 9/10 times, the original is better than the sequel!
@@micabryant4513 i would say people were 50/50 on the gen 4 designs which evolved from older Pokemon, at least that's what i remember from the time, but the new designs weren't overly hated, once again it comes down to personal taste but luxray, lurcario and garchomp to name a few, all had a positive reception.
What people hated about gen 4 was how slow it was, mechanically speaking, 5 minutes to watch a health bar drop and all that malarkey.
Add on the lack of type diversity in the base game, 4 dark lines two of which were version exclusive, fire had 2 options 1 being a starter, 4 ghost lines 2 of which are in game events, spiritomb (30 friends) and drifloon (fridays only) so both are easy to miss out on or get to late to add to your team. And the honey trees which are real time based and six hours at that, plus had 6 pokemon lines you could only catch by doing, with munchlax being 1% on like 4 special random trees.
All of these things annoyed the fan base, which probably didn't help B/W.
whereas in gen 5 from the first ads people started to say Pokemon has run out of ideas.
A lot of the designs weren't liked out the gate, and it shows in the sales.
I say this as a huge fan of stunfisk. Over time people have gotten used to gen 5 designs and they have grown on people, but only a few were liked off the bat, Volcarona and Braviary are the only ones i can remember the majority loving.
Kyurem is the original Necrozma
Here's my Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 5 Pokémon:
Krookodile Line
Volcarona Line, Haxorus Line and Hydreigon Line
Emboar Line and Gigalith Line
A Majority of Bug-Type Pokémon of Gen V
Chandelure Line and Excadrill Line
Zoroark Line and Bisharp Line
Eelektross Line and All Fossil Pokémon of Gen V
Druddigon
Unfezant Line (Male Variant) and Serperior Line
Samurott Line, Seismitoad Line and Swoobat Line
Zebstrika Line and Ferrothorn Line
Gothita, Gothorita and Vanilluxe Line
Bro samurott is so good both hisuian and unovan they are both S to me the hisuian one is definitely better but I don't get it how Lumi could think such different of these they are very similar in shape
Pidgeotto is based off like a peragin falcon
Mandibuzz is proof that glowups are real. Vullaby to me is d tier, but mandibuzz is high A. Also fun fact Mandibuzz's japanese name is vulgina.
Oh no
Edit: my mind just assumes mons will get bashed with very poor reasons anytime anyone talks gen5 xD
Good so far
Pignite is a great middle stage starter!
Its pants evolving and gaining suspenders was the specific design detail that confirmed to me that the designs were not fake, cause that's such a clever small touch that only Gamefreak would do.
Larvesta..... wooly worms can be in a larval state for YEARS in hibernation before they turn into fuzzy moths 😊
Unlike other bugs with shorter life spans..
Mmmmm
Forever to evolve
Caterpie can be fully evolved before your first badge easily
Nod to actual lifespans
It's cool
LOOK AT GURDURR!
YESSS SAWSBUCK WINTER IN A!!!! EMOLGA BEST PIKACLONE!!!
Swaddloon shiny in kitakami is goregous
You guys have insulted the Tepig line, prepare to die.
It's so weird to hear Pokemon referred to as "men". Can we refer to them as Humanoid if not Anthropomorphic?
😭😭😭😭 Cubchoo and Beartic are A-Tier minimum