Just to be clear, in regards to the nosehair VS moustache talk around Probopass, I hope you guys understand that those are metallic dust particles, not hairs of any kind. It just didn't get mentioned so I'm throwing the obvious on the table just in case.
I think the dumbest thing about Mothim is his name, otherwise his visual design is very nice! (and imo the whole Burmy line with the gender AND environment gimmick is pretty solid)
i wasnt feeling all that great last night which carried into today, im glad i got a longer podcast to listen to so i can get my mind off everything. love you three.
I love you guys so much, and huge respect to dusty when he googles to look at a mon and is willing to change his mind, so many people are too stuck in a hate spiral for certain mons but you guys are willing to learn and change your minds. Im currently binging all your tier lists and they’re all amazing
I think Gen 4 aged mostly VERY well Garchomp, Lucario, Luxray, Staraptor, Infernape, Honchkrow, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Electivire, Yanmega - all these and more are 100% top-tier designs with some of the most iconic of all times among them (Garch, Luke) loses points for Lickilicky and too many legendaries + some of their designs arguably too over-the-top (Palkia)
PS: Gen 4 pre-evolutions are easily better than Gen 2 ones - Munchlax and Bonsly especially are actually GREAT designs! (now where is Skarmory, Lapras and Tauros/Miltank pre-evo?)
HELL NAH. Infernape, Torterra and Empoleon are S tier starters and Staraptor is also S tier, get outta here! Weavile, Drapion, Mismagius in B?! Also Electivire is TOP of S-tier, easily. You guys have such different taste from me, I cannot relate with you guys.
yeah in what world are Infernape, Staraptor and E-vire not S-tier?? (Torterra is A/S for me too) imo Gen 4 has actually one of the highest numbers of S-tier mons along Gen 1!
@@charliez077 Yeah, gen 4 has amazing designs. I'll take Arceus, Darkrai, Giratina, Palkia and Dialga over ANY gen 3 legendary. The fact they like Swellow more than Staraptor though, that is WACK.
Facts gens 1,3,4 starters are the best in the entire series. They perfectly give what i want from starters cute to badass. And torterra, electivire and staraptor are my favorite pokemon of all time
25 min in and these are some of the worst takes ever. Now I watch this show for how bad the takes are but these ones are tough. Idk if I’ll be able to make it through it. So far Lumi is the only one making sense
Same for me, I usually divide the 9 generations in 3 tier and this is on the bottom one with the two following it. Main reason is the recurring theme of mons being fiercer than their previous counterparts in order to be seen as combat-ready, which I don't like at all, add that the color choices are often subpar and gimmick mons are almost all lackluster (the ghosts the exceptions) and you get why.
YES FINALLY!!! (Note mokeys are my favorite animals in real life lmaoo, I love the squirrel monleys and golden lion ones and lemurs, and just... monkeys in general they are so silly and cute)
You guys should make a t-shirt that says route one energy. And or a coffee cup. That says I have route one energy until I have my coffee something like that.
You say you're all just judging the design but it would be more interesting if we heard ranks based on lore, competitive, personal opinion, and design.
(QUICK EDIT OF MY LIST): Here's my Edited Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 4 Pokémon: 1. Garchomp Line and Munchlax 2. Toxicroak Line, Yanmega, Torterra Line and Electivire 3. Infernape Line, Lucario Line 4. Roserade, Bonsly, Drapion Line and Hippowdon Line 5. Luxray Line, Gliscor, Togekiss and Gallade 6. Empoleon Line and Mamoswine 7. Dusknoir, Magnezone, Froslass and Honchkrow 8. Rampardos Line, Glaceon and Porygon Z 9. Abomasnow Line and Magmortar 10. Vespiquen Line and Spiritomb 11. Staraptor Line, Gastrodon Line (both variants) and Buizel 12. Mothim and Budew Small Change on the 12th Fave, it's been Changed to Mothim and Budew, I respect Weavile Fine but it's Meh, better than Sneaseler, but still a Meh + The Staraptor Line has Dropped to 11th, it's still Cool, just could've been Cooler
Here's my Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 4 Pokémon: 1. Garchomp Line and Munchlax 2. Toxicroak Line, Yanmega, Torterra Line and Electivire 3. Infernape Line, Lucario Line 4. Roserade, Bonsly, Drapion Line and Hippowdon Line 5. Luxray Line, Gliscor, Togekiss and Gallade 6. Empoleon Line and Mamoswine 7. Dusknoir, Staraptor Line, Magnezone, Froslass and Honchkrow 8. Rampardos Line, Glaceon and Porygon Z 9. Abomasnow Line and Magmortar 10. Vespiquen Line and Spiritomb 11. Gastrodon Line (both variants) and Buizel 12. Mothim, Weavile and Budew
how can someone call chimchar f. i really dont get it. its not ugly, its not bad in competitive, its not based on something niche, its not an object mon. i dont get it.
I'm similar to you, Dusty. I fell off of Pokemon games with Diamond Version. I felt like the "formula" was kinda repetitive at the time, and I found Diamond Version kinda boring. I also got it like a year late, during my first year of college, and I was... distracted by college stuff lol. But I got back into the games with X and Y (I was excited for the 3D models).
My most hated comment on critiquing a Pokemon design from fans are "It doesnt look like a Pokemon" before gen 9 it didnt make sense and annoyed me because how are Pocket Monsters supposed to look?
I’m glad you stated you didn’t understand some of designs but I stil hated this episode I wish you guys did more research on mons before doing a tier list like just look at the Japanese names or bulbapedia!!
@@EliteTrainerKenwayits not even Nostalgia, Gen 4 just had one the cleanest, well thought-out, and overall complicated but well executed starter line. All three have a mythical presence
I agree with Soul SOO MUUCH on Gen 4 having the second worst set of starters! I think the only starter I trully like and not just respect is the meme generating GF's baby Charizard. But if it wasn't the meme it is, maybe I wouldn't appreciate it nearly as much. I would still kinda like it for being strong in Gen 3 and Gen 8.
I should have expected you guys disliking sylveon but most of the pokemon community disagrees with you anyway cause it got 6th on popularity post a few years ago so yeah it's kinda funny that ur opinion is just wrong
I can't lie, you guys are off on this gen. I wish we could have got each of your solo votes to see who is more on par with my opinions. Biggest flops were Kricketune not being in F straight up for that mustache, Cranidos should have been S, Rampardos should have been F for lack of intimidating design for an evolution into a mon that has an outrageous attack stat to end up so flat is disappointing, Buizel should have went S for how well its name works with its design while also not being overdesigned by forcing another type on it, Floatzel and Burmy probably should have been F cause there is no way that fat evolved otter with no legs ends up as fast and powerful as its stats say it is and I just think Burmy is boring AF, and all the starters honestly get B and above from me. Cherrim is what hoppip should have been even though that evo line wouldn't make as much sense, hoppip just sucks. But yes Ambipom is a major design fail. Hot take, Lucario is a low C tier for me because of its ears and Drapion is probably an F because why the F are its arms coming out of its face?! It has a long neck already so why make it weird and stupid looking when it could have been realistic instead of uncanny and forehead smackablesque?! I never use drapion because of how effing dumb that design desision was. Fix the ears on Lucario so they are less, long erect ball sack shape into literally anything else and it'd probably be S.
Rewatched this one 😂 and its so bad you guys did so many of these mons dirty and some of them just why (cherubi) 🙄 still love the podcast i got to say bug type is the best soul has made me realize this
Just a few mins in and y'all really disagree with everything I believe. But then you said nice things about Leafeon and put Gallade in S tier, AS SHE SHOULD BE so i'll let everything else slide.
Similar to you Dusty, I started losing interest in Pokémon as a whole at the beginning of Gen 4 and had a resurgence at the end when HG SS came out. My take away was that even though the games are fun, outside the obvious choices and past Gen evolutions, Gen 4 Pokémon leave so much to be desired for me. When Gen 5 game out I remember defending it hard because I thought it was a step up overall.
Basically the exact opposite for me. It's interesting to see just how vastly different people's experiences can be since this is kmo the best roster of all time, and the only 2 that have come close to matching it is 6 & 9.
Great way to start watching the new episode from agreeing that Gen 4 was one of the weakest in terms of pokemon designs (but also lore characters and games themselves)
One of, if not the worse take I've seen for them 4 tier list haha. Opinions though, but Infernape is in the wrong spot, It's one of the few pokemon that could enter a dragonball spin off, too badass
Oshawatt is 100 times better than piplup in my opinion piplup is the only good stage in that line prinplup is hideous and empoleon is super overrated on its prowess and design I think of a few things were changed on empoleon design I would like it a lot the one thing I do love about it is it's trident crown
Came here expecting to get mad as a Sinnoh fan and left wanting to train a Mon I've pretty much never paid any attention to before. I guess I never realized due to the franchise itself never really doing anything to highlight its qualities but you're totally right about Mothim, it does have a striking face, and the wings looking like they're attached with a band is great.
Highlights of the Podcast
38:53 Bastiodon Slander
47:37 Lumi says his catch phrase
1:07:18 Purugly Slander
1:10:00 Lumi Bars
1:20:00 Drapion Slander
1:27:00 Abomsnow Slander
1:38:00 Soul Saddness
1:42:00 Dusty's Homework
1:53:00 Soul finally likes a Man Mon
1:59:00 Dusty eats fans and fridges
2:10:00 GIRATINA SLANDER. HURTFUL
2:15:00 ARCEUS SLANDER
canon events
@@HiddenPowerPodcast Forever revealed
Drogane 🙏 dig you’re videos awesome you are apart, thanks for supporting these guys&in returns support you bud.
@@bogywhite9311 Thank you!
Almost 9min in & so many hottakes... also Dusty saying, "Soul, this is supposed to be a quick episode." that's my favorite every tier list video.
Lumi’s change in expression when dusty said Staraptor is not good at 21:03 😂😂 The takes in this episode where amazing.
That was hilarious
10 minutes in and I hear Lumi saying he doesn't like monkeys... OK Frieza :v
😂😂
The "I'm sorry so many people in New Hampshire look like Pigmen" at the end had me dead 😂😂😂😂
Just to be clear, in regards to the nosehair VS moustache talk around Probopass,
I hope you guys understand that those are metallic dust particles, not hairs of any kind. It just didn't get mentioned so I'm throwing the obvious on the table just in case.
Mothim is pretty pretty pretty pretty good
I think the dumbest thing about Mothim is his name, otherwise his visual design is very nice! (and imo the whole Burmy line with the gender AND environment gimmick is pretty solid)
i wasnt feeling all that great last night which carried into today, im glad i got a longer podcast to listen to so i can get my mind off everything. love you three.
Hope you feel better fam!
Justice for Cherubi
Ehhh 😂 no but I’ll put it in…. In…. For Dusty…eh no A is too high wishfully
Not justice no peace
8:27 “this was supposed to be a quick episode” 🤣🤣
These tier lists never cease to entertain!
I love you guys so much, and huge respect to dusty when he googles to look at a mon and is willing to change his mind, so many people are too stuck in a hate spiral for certain mons but you guys are willing to learn and change your minds. Im currently binging all your tier lists and they’re all amazing
Lickilicky literally saves the Lickitung line for me,
it's amazing!
I hate this tier list but I respect your opinions. That is all.
Dusty and Soul logic:
Monkeys and Birds are disgusting
Also Soul:
"Pokemon shouldnt make sense"
"Why is it a Man?!"
LmAO 😂😂
The monkey hate is so weird lol
Dusty had nightmares about monkeys growing up :(
@@HiddenPowerPodcast Ah man. Sorry to hear that ... because Infernape's design is top tier XD
You're telling me Soul thinks Sinnoh starters are worse than Chesnaught and Delphox? This has to be hyperbole or something
I forgot Gen 5 had them as starters lmao that IMO is the worst designed starter gen
I think Gen 4 aged mostly VERY well
Garchomp, Lucario, Luxray, Staraptor, Infernape, Honchkrow, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Electivire, Yanmega - all these and more are 100% top-tier designs with some of the most iconic of all times among them (Garch, Luke)
loses points for Lickilicky and too many legendaries + some of their designs arguably too over-the-top (Palkia)
PS: Gen 4 pre-evolutions are easily better than Gen 2 ones - Munchlax and Bonsly especially are actually GREAT designs! (now where is Skarmory, Lapras and Tauros/Miltank pre-evo?)
I love these ranking videos! Gen 4 might not be my favorite gen design-wise, but it has some good designs like Togekiss and Gallade.
21:03 Lumi's change in facial expression is priceless
Lumi: 😀😦😧🤨
HELL NAH. Infernape, Torterra and Empoleon are S tier starters and Staraptor is also S tier, get outta here! Weavile, Drapion, Mismagius in B?! Also Electivire is TOP of S-tier, easily. You guys have such different taste from me, I cannot relate with you guys.
yeah in what world are Infernape, Staraptor and E-vire not S-tier?? (Torterra is A/S for me too)
imo Gen 4 has actually one of the highest numbers of S-tier mons along Gen 1!
@@charliez077 Yeah, gen 4 has amazing designs. I'll take Arceus, Darkrai, Giratina, Palkia and Dialga over ANY gen 3 legendary.
The fact they like Swellow more than Staraptor though, that is WACK.
Facts gens 1,3,4 starters are the best in the entire series. They perfectly give what i want from starters cute to badass. And torterra, electivire and staraptor are my favorite pokemon of all time
@@deceptionz_ Can't relate with Gen 3 starters, but yes gen 1 and 4 specifically are peak starter Pokemon imo.
@@deceptionz_100%. Gens 1,3,4 starters are the best, with Gen 4 maybe being the most well rounded in my opinion.
25 min in and these are some of the worst takes ever. Now I watch this show for how bad the takes are but these ones are tough. Idk if I’ll be able to make it through it. So far Lumi is the only one making sense
In my opinion. The worst gen 4 pokemon are all the unnecessary baby pokemon added
imo they are much better than the Gen 2 babies tho! Munchlax and Bonsly are great while Igglybuff and Cleffa should not exist :P
@@charliez077Cleffa is fine, but Igglybuff was too much.
Same for me, I usually divide the 9 generations in 3 tier and this is on the bottom one with the two following it. Main reason is the recurring theme of mons being fiercer than their previous counterparts in order to be seen as combat-ready, which I don't like at all, add that the color choices are often subpar and gimmick mons are almost all lackluster (the ghosts the exceptions) and you get why.
i think a cool way to make things interesting is for each of y’all to have a instant S tier. could lead to some entertaining discourse
YES FINALLY!!! (Note mokeys are my favorite animals in real life lmaoo, I love the squirrel monleys and golden lion ones and lemurs, and just... monkeys in general they are so silly and cute)
Great podcast
Enjoyed some of the takes
Magmortar should have been Fire/Psychic
"Its not a Pokemon, its a Cartoon creature" wha-?
"Its just a bigger Bird?"
*sigh*
My fav gens of all time is still to this day gens 2,4,&5 🏆🏆🏆
I disagree, i think Gen 4 peaked with the starter pokemon design, and then starting gen 5, things gradually went downhill.
You guys should make a t-shirt that says route one energy. And or a coffee cup. That says I have route one energy until I have my coffee something like that.
You say you're all just judging the design but it would be more interesting if we heard ranks based on lore, competitive, personal opinion, and design.
(QUICK EDIT OF MY LIST):
Here's my Edited Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 4 Pokémon:
1. Garchomp Line and Munchlax
2. Toxicroak Line, Yanmega, Torterra Line and Electivire
3. Infernape Line, Lucario Line
4. Roserade, Bonsly, Drapion Line and Hippowdon Line
5. Luxray Line, Gliscor, Togekiss and Gallade
6. Empoleon Line and Mamoswine
7. Dusknoir, Magnezone, Froslass and Honchkrow
8. Rampardos Line, Glaceon and Porygon Z
9. Abomasnow Line and Magmortar
10. Vespiquen Line and Spiritomb
11. Staraptor Line, Gastrodon Line (both variants) and Buizel
12. Mothim and Budew
Small Change on the 12th Fave, it's been Changed to Mothim and Budew, I respect Weavile Fine but it's Meh, better than Sneaseler, but still a Meh
+ The Staraptor Line has Dropped to 11th, it's still Cool, just could've been Cooler
Dusty: "Fan is really boring"
So you chose war...
Here's my Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 4 Pokémon:
1. Garchomp Line and Munchlax
2. Toxicroak Line, Yanmega, Torterra Line and Electivire
3. Infernape Line, Lucario Line
4. Roserade, Bonsly, Drapion Line and Hippowdon Line
5. Luxray Line, Gliscor, Togekiss and Gallade
6. Empoleon Line and Mamoswine
7. Dusknoir, Staraptor Line, Magnezone, Froslass and Honchkrow
8. Rampardos Line, Glaceon and Porygon Z
9. Abomasnow Line and Magmortar
10. Vespiquen Line and Spiritomb
11. Gastrodon Line (both variants) and Buizel
12. Mothim, Weavile and Budew
My favorite gen
Edit: finished the vid and I'm satisfied with at least lucario in S tier
I never understand lucario love and incinroar hate except the fact that cat people on internet are usually wild
These tier lists are really comedy! lol Y'all are awesome. ❤️🔥😅
"Mouthhole" 🤣
how can someone call chimchar f. i really dont get it. its not ugly, its not bad in competitive, its not based on something niche, its not an object mon. i dont get it.
Their Logic:
Monkey = too Human
Therefore they hate it
@@mistersureshot1749 also soul he likes Mothim cause it is a little guy……
a little GUY. not a little MAN.
Y’all’s opening statements this video were eloquent and well said. ✔️ Being a huge gen 4 fan but y’all not lying about the designs
Imo it's still the best roster of all time, but there are plenty of standout dissapointments, no Gen is perfect after all.
maybe the leakers are the friends we made along the way 😂
All these opinions are L
Soul at it again with the L take on infernape
kricketune in c and prinplup in F no way
Ive agreed with most of your lists but tbh this wasnt it for me 😅 still watched and enjoyed just disagreed alot lol
Fair enough!
I'm similar to you, Dusty. I fell off of Pokemon games with Diamond Version. I felt like the "formula" was kinda repetitive at the time, and I found Diamond Version kinda boring. I also got it like a year late, during my first year of college, and I was... distracted by college stuff lol. But I got back into the games with X and Y (I was excited for the 3D models).
My most hated comment on critiquing a Pokemon design from fans are "It doesnt look like a Pokemon" before gen 9 it didnt make sense and annoyed me because how are Pocket Monsters supposed to look?
At the beginning of the video currently. Hoping they give my boys Magnezone & Yanmega get good ratings from the hosts...
Dusty is right electivire deserves to be s tier. My favorite gen 4 pokemon is getting mistreated in this tier list lol
B4 watching I swear if Lucario isn't high S tier then Idk what I'd have to say.
Guys I am not seeing it on Mothim haha
Galade is my favorite Pokémon. It being S-tier makes all the bad takes okay now.
Love y’all, but putting Heatran over Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Shaymin, and Arceus is just wild to me lol
I’m glad you stated you didn’t understand some of designs but I stil hated this episode I wish you guys did more research on mons before doing a tier list like just look at the Japanese names or bulbapedia!!
So "It's a man" is Dusty's new insult of choice
Shaymin Skyform's head is a ringer for My Little Pony
Am I the first one here? Nice!
I agree with Soul. I hate the Gen 5 starters also 😂
imo Samurott is hugely underrated but otherwise it's easily one of the weakest starter gens, yeah!
@@charliez077 Hisuian samurott is really cool, but I'm not a fan of the rest of them. I have zero nostalgia for Gen 4 or 5 🤣
@@EliteTrainerKenwayits not even Nostalgia, Gen 4 just had one the cleanest, well thought-out, and overall complicated but well executed starter line.
All three have a mythical presence
The hate on gen 5 starters isn't deserved at all... like have you seen galar💀
HEATRAN REDEMPTION ARC?
I agree with Soul SOO MUUCH on Gen 4 having the second worst set of starters! I think the only starter I trully like and not just respect is the meme generating GF's baby Charizard. But if it wasn't the meme it is, maybe I wouldn't appreciate it nearly as much. I would still kinda like it for being strong in Gen 3 and Gen 8.
I should have expected you guys disliking sylveon but most of the pokemon community disagrees with you anyway cause it got 6th on popularity post a few years ago so yeah it's kinda funny that ur opinion is just wrong
How, how you guys gonna hate on kricitot and kriliton but love combee.
I can't lie, you guys are off on this gen. I wish we could have got each of your solo votes to see who is more on par with my opinions. Biggest flops were Kricketune not being in F straight up for that mustache, Cranidos should have been S, Rampardos should have been F for lack of intimidating design for an evolution into a mon that has an outrageous attack stat to end up so flat is disappointing, Buizel should have went S for how well its name works with its design while also not being overdesigned by forcing another type on it, Floatzel and Burmy probably should have been F cause there is no way that fat evolved otter with no legs ends up as fast and powerful as its stats say it is and I just think Burmy is boring AF, and all the starters honestly get B and above from me. Cherrim is what hoppip should have been even though that evo line wouldn't make as much sense, hoppip just sucks. But yes Ambipom is a major design fail. Hot take, Lucario is a low C tier for me because of its ears and Drapion is probably an F because why the F are its arms coming out of its face?! It has a long neck already so why make it weird and stupid looking when it could have been realistic instead of uncanny and forehead smackablesque?! I never use drapion because of how effing dumb that design desision was. Fix the ears on Lucario so they are less, long erect ball sack shape into literally anything else and it'd probably be S.
when designing a fakemon
Dont give it Hair, Hands, large nose or long legs
Pokemon should never look remotely human...whatsoever 😂
Starrapter is one of the best of that gene. Come on guys
Dusty Go-Go I think I went to school with you bro
whats your birthname
Purugly F tier but Kriketot Bronzong Budew and Monferno in B is kind of insulting, Purugly is S+
Yeah worse takes of all time.
Opinions 🤨
Rewatched this one 😂 and its so bad you guys did so many of these mons dirty and some of them just why (cherubi) 🙄 still love the podcast i got to say bug type is the best soul has made me realize this
For the algorithm 🎉
Just a few mins in and y'all really disagree with everything I believe. But then you said nice things about Leafeon and put Gallade in S tier, AS SHE SHOULD BE so i'll let everything else slide.
Similar to you Dusty, I started losing interest in Pokémon as a whole at the beginning of Gen 4 and had a resurgence at the end when HG SS came out. My take away was that even though the games are fun, outside the obvious choices and past Gen evolutions, Gen 4 Pokémon leave so much to be desired for me. When Gen 5 game out I remember defending it hard because I thought it was a step up overall.
Basically the exact opposite for me. It's interesting to see just how vastly different people's experiences can be since this is kmo the best roster of all time, and the only 2 that have come close to matching it is 6 & 9.
Bros did not cook with this one what are these hot takes.💀 Torterra and the other starters should be S tier.
Great way to start watching the new episode from agreeing that Gen 4 was one of the weakest in terms of pokemon designs (but also lore characters and games themselves)
One of, if not the worse take I've seen for them 4 tier list haha.
Opinions though, but Infernape is in the wrong spot, It's one of the few pokemon that could enter a dragonball spin off, too badass
Honestly though, Ambipom is like Z tier.
I agree with soul, something about these starters are blan.
Ambition is cheeks😂 that design could easily have been an A if they would’ve just removed the utter hands 💀. It is UTTERly horrible 😭
Giratina > Rayquaza, but ok fine. We are talking about the advice of youtuber si it’s important at all.
Oshawatt is 100 times better than piplup in my opinion piplup is the only good stage in that line prinplup is hideous and empoleon is super overrated on its prowess and design I think of a few things were changed on empoleon design I would like it a lot the one thing I do love about it is it's trident crown
Tangrowth should have been in D..
Came here expecting to get mad as a Sinnoh fan and left wanting to train a Mon I've pretty much never paid any attention to before.
I guess I never realized due to the franchise itself never really doing anything to highlight its qualities but you're totally right about Mothim, it does have a striking face, and the wings looking like they're attached with a band is great.
why put a time limit
Because we only have so much time every day to record lol we arent full time creators YET
0:37 what? Generation 4 is the best generation
probopass should be in S
Badew is a "typical Gen 4 design" to me. It's cartoonish, it's unfriendly, I don't like it.
Little bit triggering watching this one guys not gonna lie 😢
Yes soul, drifloom is s
Im not watching this 😭