Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Better Than Dial of Destiny?
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2023
- To many, the Indiana Jones series ended with The Last Crusade, despite running for two more movies. Many fans disliked the most recent film, Indiana Jones and The Dial of Destiny, but that reception seems muted compared to how Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was received. When it came out in 2008, people hated how the film was bogged down by silliness, including the infamous “nuke the fridge” scene and Shia LaBeouf’s character swinging on vines through the jungle. Plus, for many, including aliens was too much, even for the heightened reality of an Indiana Jones movie.
Yet, in retrospect, is Kingdom of the Crystal Skull that bad? Does it have some redeeming aspects, such as the fact that it was the last Indiana Jones movie from Steven Spielberg and George Lucas? How does it compare to the downbeat, morose Dial of Destiny? We dig into it in this episode of Revisited, written and narrated by Steve Seigh and edited by Ric Solomon.
Do you think Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is better than Dial of Destiny? Let us know in the comments.
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Despite the sketchy CGI, this felt like a proper finale to Indiana Jones. There was good action scenes, some good new characters, and he gets Marian in the end.
The Last Crusade was a proper finale, literally riding off into the sunset. Everything after that is just a desperate cash grab from untalented, uncreative people
Well, I personally like that while Raiders of the Lost Ark and the Last Crusade are parallel to one another in terms of being traditional pulp adventure stories with some supernatural elements, Temple of Doom and Kingdom of the Crystal Skull are parallel to one another in terms of being pulp films that delves deeper into the mythological than the other two films. As Temple of Doom is my personal favorite Indy film, of which it’s actually chronologically the first Indy film.
@@JLT1187😂 Skull is done by Spielberg. Screenplay is from very talented David Koepp.
You're exactly right the last film was a POS!!! Too many iconic characters have been " reimagined" & screwed the Fans.
@@JLT1187was just about to reply the same thing. No idea what OP is talking about. The last Crusade is clearly a perfect sendoff for the series…
I never thought Crystal Skull was that bad. It was intentionally made to be a cheesy 50s sci-fi movie. And I liked the happy ending. I appreciate it even more after seeing Dial of Destiny. Crystal Skull had the ending I want to remember for Indy.
The first half of this movie is great and feels like the start of another great Indiana Jones adventure... Then we get to the jungle scenes and it all falls a bit flat.
Not really. The jungle chase is actually great action sequence. Only bad part is Tarzan Mutt and I hate most the sequence where they run from the tribe people
I agree
@handznet I think what ruins it for me is the really fake looking cgi, the comedy sword fight and Marion driving the amphibious vehicle off a cliff into a tree and then gently landing in the water. I know Indiana Jones has several unrealistic moments throughout the entire movie series, but the ones in Crystal Skull just feel a bit too much like they're treading into Saturday morning cartoon territory. I think Spielberg forgot he wasn't making the next Tintin movie.
Star Wars dorks circa 2005: "Man. Lucas ruined my childhood."
Star Wars dorks circa 2023: "Please come back to Star Wars Mr. Lucas. I apologize for anything I ever said before. But we had no idea this franchise could get this terrible."
It's the most toxic relationship I have ever witnessed.
If it’s any consolation, I as a Star Wars fan liked the prequels and pre-Disney canon from the very beginning, and am consistent with not liking what Disney has done with it.
@@TheBlueBaronEven Rouge One and Andor?
Let’s see how many people will start appreciating this movie because they disliked Dial Of Destiny, similar to some people doing that for the Star Wars prequels because they disliked the Disney sequels
I liked the SW prequels. Everyone did before internet made fun of them. Yeah there were not as good as original but nobody hated them as Disney trash
@@handznet I remember the Phantom Menace took a lot of hate from the very beginning. They even made a 'Phantom Edit' which removed jar jar and the midichlorians
Agree.
@@handznetlol, you are either misremembering or you were a little kid. The prequels were instantly hated. Watch the tv show Spaced, to see how 20somethings felt at the time about the prequels.
one movie being worse doesn't make the other movie better.
Crystal Skull was fine. So was Dial Of Destiny. I like all five , they all have merits and I'm glad to have seen them all.
They kind of run out of ideas for each new film.
I agree, they're all a fun watch
I need to see DofD still
DOD was a snooze fest
Dial is utter trash
In my honest opinion whether or if the internet or the fandom hates this movie I watch all 4 of the films all the time and to this day I feel like this film felt like a retrospective sequel that looked at both the high and low points of the franchise and how the tools of filmmaking have involved since Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Even after all these years, I’ve still never seen this. I’ve only ever seen the first 3 films and the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles show
Personally, I enjoy this film. It's eminently watchable and has a great cast. It can't go near the first three but it's no slouch
I rewatched it after watching Dial of Destiny, and it's definitely better, in my opinion. For one, Indy still feels like Indy. He's not some broken shell of what he was. I'd say Shia is miscast, and I still don't like the whole alien thing. It works since they tie it in with a lot of real conspiracies, but I'd still prefer something else. It honestly doesn't rely that much on CGI until the third act. The bike chase through the city is pretty freaking awesome. Oh, and I don't mind the whole fridge thing. Dude jumped out of a plane in a raft, and no one batted an eye
Yes to the raft! Zero chance any survives falling out of an airplane on a raft, hitting a giant mountain, sliding down said mountain, and then crashing into a river. The refrigerator scene is more believable.
Agree completely with this assessment. Never understood the hate this movie got. The 50s, with Russians and aliens? It couldn’t have been a more perfect next chapter. I’ve yet to see Dial of Destiny. But I’m thinking this one should’ve been the last.
I’ve always thought this movie was underrated, it’s pretty fun and I like the 1950s sci-fi feel to it
As someone who revered the original trilogy, I had thought this entry played more like a parody of Indiana Jones... but after suffering through Dial of Destiny this one looks more like Raiders in comparison.
Spielberg really understand how to direct movies to made the audiences feels like they are in an amazing adventures!
First half ot the movie is pure Spielberg fest. Second half, hilarious.
I'm of two minds on this one. On the one hand it's very close to classic Indy adventures, and on the other hand, the third act just dives off of a cliff into not one but several waterfalls, and I don't even mind the alien aspect at all
Crystal Skull has problems, but its no where near as bad as what the dorks claim it is. There are some very impressive things in it, like the chase scene on the bike where Indy is pulled off the bike, into the car, he fights them off, & climbs out through the other side of the car back onto the bike. I think the story is rather intriguing & its mostly quite engaging. After the ancient cemetery, I think it loses its way a bit, but I still think its a good film. Ray Winstone's character flip flops sides too many times, & his fate is just like Benny in The Mummy.
Its a good film, & although not perfect, its far from the abomination the whiners say it is.
I've never understand why the Aliens plot to farfetched ! compared with what came before it... I mean a Knight who's supposedly still alive in a cave for centuries!....yeah that ain't farfetched !!
I will say Indie and the nuke blast thing was misjudged.
And the magical sankara stones, totally realistic amirite?
@@hipflipped Yeah...theres alot of examples...one for me is the scene where a sacrificial guy has he's Heart pulled out...and he continues to live & breath! Some fans can suspend their disbelief for some things....but Aliens in the fantasy world of Indiana Jones ??? Thats "Outrageous"
Also a magic box, magic rocks and a magic cup.
Or what about when Indy is hanging onto the truck with his whip being dragged on the ground? His flesh would be decimated after that. Or how he hangs on to the periscope of the submarine without drowning, or exposure to the elements?
Good video.....I enjoyed Crystal Skull & I still do (although do I agree that it does have its own set of issues - heck all of the Indy films have their own issues nor are any of them completely flawless). The only one I thought was complete atrocious garbage, in my view, was the Dial Of Destiny/the Disney made one (with no involvement from Lucas and very, if any, involvement from Spielberg). Hell, I personally don't even consider DOD to be canon in my view (and I sure as hell won't ever have it in my home movies collection). Peace ✌️
After Dial of Destiny, I’ll have to give this a rewatch at point.
Cold hamburger: Is it tastier than a dog turd?
I never felt this film was all that bad. I certainly enjoyed it in the theaters!
Need to check out that young Indy show.
thats right you tell those crystal skull haters
I like Crystal skull. Never agreed with all the hate it got. Haven’t seen dial due to all the extreme negativity it received
Why don't you form your own opinion of it. Dial was ok, every Indy sequel is hit or miss.
@@Lance37a I literally just said that in the first part of my comment.
Because I don’t care about what a film about a beaten down old man who’s given up and plays second place to a female lead who shouldn’t been be on the movie anyway. It’s a film for a woke audience. I watch movies to laugh or be entertained. Not to feel miserable.
Yeah. Cause if there's anything you don't sound like - it's miserable...
@@braytonwright6011 how perceptive of you. So why would I waste my time watching shit that makes me more miserable. Fuck off.
@@braytonwright6011 indeed.
Grab the rope
What
Grab the rope
What
Ok grab the mone
Oh grab the rope
Quick note - Mutt would not have listened to Stray Cats - they were a rockabilly revival band from the early 80s to now - not contemporaries of Johnny Cash and Elvis in the 50s.
Part time!
It wasn't the refrigerator that saved Indy. It was the ALIENS (and/or God). Now the movie is truly awesome
I just watched it again for the 400x over the weekend, actually all of his adventures. Raiders still fire.
Regardless of what some critics have said, the entire Area 51/opening sequence is CLASSIC Indy.
Best part of the movie by far
Dial of destiny is at most uninteresting if not boring, no solid character psychology, plot holes, etc.; Crystal skull has distasteful CGI.
8:59 I like how the picture of Flossie was dated in 2019, years after the movie came out.
That adds back💭
Ed Gross book about the series set for April.
I always LIKED Krystal Skull❤ Its GOERGE and Steven. Its their story still, they can do whatever they want.
For me, is the second best Indy movie after Last Crusade.
Despite overnight shipping, and in some cases same day delivery, studios could send reel film to any theater in the county. Somehow, it is just not good enough. Regarding the story, this should have been a coming of age story. It really does not let Mutt grow up or take on the reigns. Given that the film could not accomplish this, it may not have been necessary to make it.
But what about the humble spider. Isn't it's wed a work of art and arachnids don't have human thought as you say, don't just take my word, just go into a garden and watch her buil
Oh and yes computers can create art, if a human being sick on the floor is art, then the eighties spectrum loading screen is a masterpiece...
Urgent please read and understand
We heard our wife say in a nervous voice
' okay mother the kettles on see you in five minutes '
She then walked into the kitchen to find us ripping everything out of the fridge and throwing it on the floor
' What the fück are you doing '
So we said ' sorry our wife we love you but, we just saw Indiana Jones atomic bomb. Safety guidelines. Your mother is three minutes away so we're hiding in the fridge. And we aren't coming out '
As the door knocker whacks against the door, ( oh an by the way we don't have a fücking door knocker, we have a bell ) our wife asks ' room for one more? '
As our mind whispers ' always room for more '
This movie is like Citizen Kane compared to the terrible Dial of Destiny..
Sorry the add for dreams bed, with Gillian Anderson just came up,
Sorry had to the whole thing💭💭💭
Sorry where was you...
Oh Okey. please continue if you have to, we'll just watch that add again whilst listening to you
🤠A very underrated movie.
Yes Crystal skull is a far better INDY movie
14:49; always thought that moment was a great turn of the clique.
The opening line sounded like a homage to...Predator 2?
I enjoy all of these movies, but last 2 was good to decent in my opinion, they could at least adopt a girl now, still they are together again and make her cannon again
I could never make it through Crystal Skull.
give it a chance be fair
I liked the first 45 minutes of this film, once they get to the jungle it all goes way off the rails and the CGI goes into overload, I'm just not into it. And as far as dial of destiny goes, I really enjoyed it. Sue me. It's a fun and well made goodbye to the franchise. people were just ready to hate that film before it ever hit theaters
Thank you for stating the truth
Indiana Jones was a TRILOGY!
I wish KoCS had the vibrant and lifelike CGI of DoD, but yeah DoD also made a super weird cgi part but eh...it's the Disney formula...
Much better as it was an actual Indiana Jones movie, centered around him and not injected with an insufferable female no one wants to see.
He survived a nuke in a fridge, that isn't even scientifically possible.
@@Daniel-nn8mrwho cares. It is Indiana Jones, there are magical artifacts, ghosts..
You know he has a female with him in EVERY other installment of the series, right?
@@handznet but not aliens and surviving nukes in a fridge.
They should have ended with Crystal Skull. It gave Indy and Marian the ending they deserved, that I honestly think they should have had in Last Crusade. Leaving Marian out of Last Crusade was a bad choice imo. Just a cameo at the end would have been fine. That would have been the perfect ending. Marian is part of who Indy is.
I was there day 1 when this movie released and I loved it so you can imagine my shock to see so many people tearing the movie to shreds despite the fact that Indy has survived a lot of unrealistic scenarios.
Plus in the 50’s era, communism and aliens were a thing.
Still to this day I have enjoyed Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and will continue to defend it.
It's amazing how positive we look back at this movie now the atrocious 5th movie is out.
Yes yes and yes
No no and no.
Yes, yes & yes. Crystal Skull is 1,000 times better than Indy J and the dial of the insufferable woke feminist trash IMO. Couldn't pay me to watch that POS (and I'm not alone there, it lost millions and is a box office flop - even said by Disney itself...at least Crystal Skull made a lot of money and was a success at the box office & it does have its own fans, even if it wasn't everyone's favorite Indy film at the time).
Mutt should have been given the hat
I only will say... in Indy 2 the characters jump of a plane with a Raft so, the fridge scene is not very strange when you look back hahahaha!
This is just like when I was one of the only people to like Garfield's Spider-Man and the people gaslight me to say they always liked it, haha. I've never understood the hate for Crystal Skull.
Yes, but that's only like saying mild diahorea is better than explosive dysentery.
KotCS needed a script doctor rewrite to punch it up. Also would it have been a better movie with someone else playing Mutt? I think so.
I think a more apt title would be “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Not As Bad”.
I saw it three times in 2008, in its theatrical run.
At least this is Indiana Jones and isn't an old fart. I liked Ford's acting in Dial of Destiny, but is all out of place.
If they want a broken character, at least make it the main character and start broken, and finish with a new character. But no, is a broken character, that ends even worst...
Temple was the last very, very good Indy. Spielberg was completly in the project, he liked to impress with gore, blood and guts (like in Raiders). Then Last Crusade brought a lighter tone, with a family dynamic, what is very bad for a pulp hero.
Then they follow that way in the 4th and Mangold ruined everything with the last one.
It was very hard to put the family part of this movie in the script - he needs to find a lost son in the adventure, with a good pace.
They struggled to do it. Then Mangold somehow thought that was a good ideia to divorce the man, kill his son, everything off screen.
This is the second good end of the character.
I enjoyed it
Even with all its faults, Skull was still entertaining and I left the theater feeling entertained. I don't know exactly what I felt when I left the theater after seeing Dial.
Dial had some of the same problems that the Star Wars sequel trilogy had, to much off screen character development and you're left to try to make sense of it.
Not saying Dial is bad but I didn't like what they did with it. I don't really have a desire to re-watch it at all but maybe it'll get better the more I watch it.
Well said
It's a good Movie🤔😊👍👌 And Grows on You With a Few Viewings. 😆👊✊🍁
It was better for easily specifiable reasons: 1. It was shot on 35mm so it looked far more expensive and cinematic than Dial of D. 2. It was shot mostly on-location so looked more realistic than Dial of D (excluding the entirely CGI vine-swinging / fridge scenes). 3. It used a real stunt team for most of the action, therefore ensuring that it was thrilling to watch (M:I / Bond style). 4. Mutt was a more palatable sidekick than Helena alongside Indy. 5. Indy still felt like the same Indy from the previous film.
I wish the aliens were men from Mars and not inter-dimensional. That’s my only gripe. But at least Spielberg directed it.
Tge Indy series should have done away with the magical MacGuffin. It worked in the first movie but each movie after it just became more ridiculous.
Way better. Dial of destiny is an embarrassment
Crystal skull was worse, it had aliens and terrible cgi.
same kinda hate come up with something else@@Daniel-nn8mr
I agree with you @hellboy4128.
I'll take 50's style aliens over stupid time travel anyday. @@Daniel-nn8mr
@@MLJ7956 brown nose.
I.J.4 may well be better than 5, but it is still absolutely, absurdly, awful. And l am saying that despite how much l love the cast overall and the return of Marion as a character. And Cate was amazing. But unfortunately, none of that can change how terrible it was.
It stunk.
Crystal Skull was pretty meh, but at least it felt like an Indy J. movie. Dung of Dysentery was just a Fleabag film with Indy as a side-kick.
"Put a chick in it! Make it lame!"
"And make her a lame g@y chick too" - Cartman fused with Kathleen Kennedy in South Park: Joining The Pandaverse 😆😆😆
I liked Crystal Skull then and still do. Zero interest in an 80 year old Harrison Ford doing it again.
Sometimes enough is enough. Not agism I’m 63 , at 80 reality wins. Always.
His age really isn’t a problem there. He has enormous charisma
@@handznet maybe so but playing Indiana Jones at 80. …
Im not feeling it.
No
I think with some tweaks, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull would jump a few ranks. I actually love the concept - with the crystal skulls revealing ancient extra-terrestrial contact. I don't like the bleached out lighting and overly clean color-grading. Most of the humor is bad. The CGI is bad. The Tarzan vine swinging is bad. I actually don't care for the main villain, and I normally like Cate Blanchett - she's usually great and impressive. Fix or improve those elements, and Crystal Skull would be just as good the weakest of the original three (whichever that is for you).
...I guess that's a lot of requested changes.
For me I didn't think Crystal Skull is bad. It is enjoyable while the latest movie is such trash he lost a fortune in theaters.
I agree with you.
It lost fortune because of undeserved hate from online “critics” and people who can’t stand any female lead ( I hate forcing woman heroes into movies here it was actually very fitting and balanced the old indy well)
Crystal Skull is still my least favorite of the series, including Dial of Destiny, but I still enjoy it and make an essential inclusion whenever I feel like rewatching the films. I’m glad it’s been given a reappraisal recently.
It's better than temple of doom
Che schifo la parte finale con gli alieni e la Blanchette che scoppia 😂😂😂😂😂😂
After rewatch crystal skull recently I found it to be not as bad as the first time around
It's an embarrassment to have it in the Indy series with how bad Crystal Skull is.
It wasn’t great but I didn’t find it as bad as the first time around. It comes down to if you can suspend your disbelief. Same thing you had to do in the first 3.
@@Daniel-nn8mrthe embarrassment is dial lmao
@@ASTRONIGHTCORE- I completely agree with you there ✌️
Nor was disaster after first watch.
Just came to say yes, yes it is better than DoD.
It's bad man. Dial of Destiny is only slightly better, but that's not saying much. For most fans there will always only be three Indy movies.
Unfortunatly in my opinion, this movie has too many confusing and boring scenes. Why exactly were they in this storehouse? What exactly did his friend want? Then there were this long, boring fistfight and the even longer jungle chase. And the aliens didn't care for their indigenious friends, didn't say a word and just vanished. It felt most underwhelming.
The good bits are great. The rest, is not so good.
Skull was better than what many people have said. (Despite the refrigerator scene) Dial of Destiny shouldn't have been made. Nothing memorable about it. Seeing it once was enough.
My toilet after curry is better to watch than Dial of Destiny.
By far better!
i still like this, but i think dial of destiny is better
Just stick to the trilogy.
👍
"The plan was to use minimal CGI to complete the film. unfortunately the team encountered more instances where CGI would benefit the budget and delivery date for the film, resulting on over 450 effect being used."
I hate this mentality. You were making a SPIELBERG DIRECTED, INDIANA JONES FILM, AND YOU WERE SO WORRIED ABOUT THE BUDGET SO MUCH THAT YOU USED OVER 400 EFFECT SHOTS?! A film that would easily clear a half billion even if the film was bad, Since this one made 781 Million dollars despite the controversy. I'm defender of this film but even I'll admit this would have been better with dramatically less CGI. The film really starts to fall apart once we get to the jungle CGI cluster****. Its freaking Spielberg, if he wants to do practical, you do freaking practical.
Crystal Skull wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't an Indy film, but unfortunately it is... so it is.
Nothing tops the big 3: ROTLA, TOD, TLC. KOTCS served as a sufficient epilogue to the Indiana Jones story. DOD was an abomination that didn't need making to further conclude Indy's story.
I detested the casting of that infernal Sam Whitwicky in this film.
Don't mention the monkeys
Dude seriously you just did
Sorry dude please ignore my comment
i think the greatest detriment of Indiana Jones 5 is how unremakable and painfully average it is
The only thing missing was a transformer...
Oh sorry spoilers
I watched this again a few years ago along with the first three.
I still don't like it.
Yes it is Better ☝️
Shut up woke prattt
Han Solo & Indiana Jones both had Jewish sons that didn’t look like them. 😂
I liked Dial - way better than online critics made it but Skull is better. Why? Because it has the Spielbergs direction and classic cinematography. There are shots that are just pleasing to the eye and soul. Only really bad moments are: Monkeys and waterfalls (but we got same kind of scene in Temple as well). Fridge scene is just fun never had problem with it.