Honda CB500X vs NC750X - Quick Comparison
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- A quick comparison between Honda's CB500X and NC750X. In some ways very similar, in others very different. Which do you prefer?
Update: 15/05 - Inevitably I forget to mention two things I think are worth sharing. Firstly I found the airflow around the screen on the NC750X much smoother, on the CB I was getting quite a battering side to side which I struggled to avoid at anything over about 55mph - tiring. Secondly, brakes. The single disc on the NC is much maligned (and rightly so) and the twin discs on the latest CB500X are so much nicer to use with much less effort required to pull up quickly. Another win for the CB!
For a more detailed look specifically at the CB500X, check our review here:
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Update: 15/05 - Inevitably I forget to mention two things I think are worth sharing. Firstly I found the airflow around the screen on the NC750X much smoother, on the CB I was getting quite a battering side to side which I struggled to avoid at anything over about 55mph - tiring. Secondly, brakes. The single disc on the NC is much maligned (and rightly so) and the twin discs on the latest CB500X are so much nicer to use with much less effort required to pull up quickly. Another win for the CB!
There is another point.
It seems the CB500 engine is constructed to common motorcycle standard. They calculate with 70 k without major repair.
The NC however so it appears is build to car standard, which means it is constructed to last in excess of 100 k.
@@krollpeter from the examples I’ve seen they are both very long lived engines. I’ve seen a CB500X with over 170k miles and an NC750X with over 200k. For the vast majority of folk, the rest of the bike will probably fall apart before the engine.
Does the "frunk" or the dct on the nc give an advantage in your eyes or no?
@@mikephillips742 it’s very much a personal thing in my view. The ‘frunk’ is useful, like having an integrated top box, it just depends on how much you personally value that. I’d rather have it than not but it wasn’t the deciding factor when I bought the bike.
Re the DCT I think it’s great we have the option. Some people say they’ll never get a manual again others won’t touch them stating it’s no more than a scooter.
I’m somewhere in the middle (spotting a trend here?) If you commuting and want a super relaxed ride especially if you’re a bit tired, it’s brilliant. It can be annoying however, changing at what you feel is the ‘wrong’ speed and, occasionally, at inappropriate time, slow roundabouts and a change between 1st / 2nd caught me out a couple of times. It also makes very slow manoeuvres more tricky. Finally it does tend to remove some of the involvement of riding. So easy and relaxing vs control and involvement. Get a long test ride if you can.
I hope this isn’t to much like ‘sitting on the fence’ but explains my thoughts on it at least. :)
I literally just test rode a '21 cb500x and a '22 nc750x at my local dealer 4 hours ago. I rode the cb first and loved it. Im 6'2" and it fit quite nicely which is rare. The engine was peppy and it felt nimble. I was on the verge of purchasing but then I asked 8f i could take test it on the highway which i did. Within 5 minutes i had changed my mind completely. As soon as i hit 60mph the vibrations were buzzing my feet and hands and the engine sounded strained. Oddly it sounded better at 70mph but the vibes were still there. Then the dealer suggested I try the nc750x. My legs were a little more cramped at the knee but the engine felt stronger and more relaxed. Then i put it in sport mode and had a huge grin that the cb didn't give me. Couple that with the onboard storage, custom rider mode (to tune torque, traction, engine braking etc), AND an option to have automatic transmission when I'm in stop/go traffic and the decision is a no brainer for me. I can adjust the pegs and seat for my height with aftermarket mods. I liked your honest review but I'm surprised that you undervalued the extra benefits of the nc750x. My hands are still tingling from my 30 min cb500x test ride. No bueno. Anyway, thanks and good luck with your channel!
Thanks for the detailed feedback and kind words, fascinating to hear you’ve tried the two bikes back to back too. I think I probably didn’t focus on the NC positives quite so much because after 5 years of ownership I rather take them for granted. Everyone’s priorities are different but overall I still prefer the NC as a package and wouldn’t swap it for the CB. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine! :)
You are the first review I've seen to not bash the 500x for power. Props to you! It is not nearly as slow as ppl make it out to be.
Thank you for that. :) Its early days yet but I just want to be completely straight and call out the pros and cons of each bike I can get. I’m a great believer in there being very few ‘bad’ bikes these days but they all have different strengths so it’s all about choosing one that matches your priorities.
It’s certainly not slow and those who buy them and then complain they’re slow simply bought the wrong bike *for them*. A Tracer 700 would probably be a better match for those with performance as a higher priority.
35 Kw / 48 Bhp is enough to get around...
Absolutely, I never felt it was lacking power it just started getting a bit ‘busy’ over 60-65mph.
Thanks for your excellent comparison. I’m looking to downsize so your comments really helped.
@mikereeder4337 you’re more than welcome. I was honestly surprised how good the 500 was. Everyone’s priorities are different but for me the 500s better suspension, seat and brakes out weighed the heavier 750s more relaxed high speed cruising ability. Good luck with whatever you go for.
Thank you very much for the informations, very useful. I'm about to change my 2017 CB500X (40000 km) for the NC750X DCT latest version. As you can imagine I'm collecting as much information I can to make the final decision. Congrats from Portugal 👍🙂🇵🇹
Thank you for your kind words, I’m glad it was useful to you. :) The latest NC is further improved since my ‘18 model and I’m sure you’ll love your new machine. Best wishes from the UK, all the best, Jon - BikingChap
Thank you for the review. I have 2015 Honda CB500X. As a short lady driver I had to lower the bike a little, but still it leaves nice and smooth driving, as I just move the motorcycle almost with my body moves. The seat starts to be uncomfortable after 3-4 hours for me, but the motorcycle is light, maneuverable, easy to drive. Although when I reach 100-110 km/h I want some "more stand on the ground" feeling, but I agree with you. It is really nice bike in the city, around the city and not so for high speeds on highways.
Thank you for the feedback, and glad to hear now you’ve lowered it a little, it’s working well for you. I think they’re great bikes especially when you’re starting out because they’re great for building confidence imho.
I just bought the 2023 CB500X today, I haven't picked it up yet.. I can't wait for the first ride!
Hey, good for you! I genuinely feel that it’s a bike that really is better than it has any right to be for the money, especially the latest version. I think you’ll love it. :)
I ride a 2022 NC, and my wife a 2022 CB500F, which has the same engine as the CB500X. I bought the NC 2nd hand, it came A2 compliant and I left it as it was for my wife to test this bike too. HP wise, they are comparable.
I live near the alps, and tours often lead over the passes. Here the NC is a class above the CB. The higher torque low down and the smooth DCT gear shifts really count between the slow U turns. Straights are short, 50-200m. The CB first has to reach higher revs, and the NC pulls away. Add the low center of gravity, and I can keep up with much bigger bikes in said conditions.
That’s an interesting comparison, the Routes des Grandes Alpes is an absolute favourite of mine in the Alps. It’s 400+ miles and as you say no straight longer than a few hundred yards.
I’ve found the NC works well, especially the low end grunt lugging you out of corners but I still think the front brake is unnecessarily hard work, especially loaded up.
If I had to choose between them for a trip tomorrow it would be a close run thing, the NC better on the run down but I’d think the CB would be lighter and less tiring in the twisties *providing* you could go at you’re own pace and weren’t trying to keep up with the quicker folk.
I sold my 2018 nc750x dct and got a 2022 cb500x and I'm quite glad that i made that choice, initially I was thinking that I made a mistake giving up the convenience of the DCT because I stalled a few times while learning my bike but since then I've gotten comfortable with the feather clutch and realized that this bike is so much more satisfying than the Nc.
I have to say that's the change I'm considering, the brakes and front suspension are significantly better on the cheaper bike ironically.
Very useful video. Overall I own and prefer the NC. I like how it offers old school V8 car or big air cooled v twin like low rpm & effortless grunt (this is also where the tall gearing comes in) in a modern motorcycle package, it's quite unique in that respect. There is also the deep bucket of internal storage which means you can get away with no top box, handing is great thanks to how low the weight is carried (engine between your feet and fuel under the seat), I don't think there is an easier bike to ride fast on B roads, especially with the ground clearance of the X. However it could certainly be improved, how about the electronically adjustable screen from the Forza 350 scooter to replace the awful standard screen or using a Type R car engine to give some more revs and excitement and obviously a proper touring seat. The 500s are great bikes, especially for younger riders, but they do look a bit skinny and light weight to my tastes and you feel like you're thrashing them if cruising at 80mph or so on longer trips.
Hi, thanks for your kind words, much appreciated. Like you I still prefer the NC, for the same reasons you do by the sounds of it. I think I've always wanted a power delivery like this, previously I had a TDM900 and while obviously quicker, I was getting really irritated with it's reluctance to pull cleanly from low down. Not unsurprisingly given its car heritage, the NC pulls cleanly pretty much from tick over. If I could specify one upgrade it would have to be the front brake I think, it works of course I just find it unnecessarily hard work. One bike I'd love to try for comparison is the Moto Guzzi V7 special, if I can get hold of one it would be an interesting comparison.
As for the 500 I still think it's better than it has any right to be and while it's no motorway blaster it's hard to think of a better A2 bike, others are either smaller in capacity or more expensive but the CB just seems to hit that sweet sport.
Thanks again for dropping by, all the best, Jon.
A good review, thank you.
Thanks David, much appreciated! 👍
Thanks for the video, the only other point I don’t think you emphasised is the vibration. I had a CB (2021) last year & swopped to a 2019 NC this year and it is so much more relaxing to ride at normal speeds. I agree the CB is ok around county lanes but as soon as the speed picks up so does the vibration, which made all it’s other attributes fade away. Even after 50 odd years of biking I was amazed how my initial experience of riding the 500 changed over a short time. I have a speed triple as well but I am extremely happy with my swop.
Hi, thanks for the feedback. I have to say I’m usually pretty sensitive to vibes normally but the example I had was pretty smooth up to the legal limit. Don’t get me wrong, looking at the tacho it was clear that it was spinning quite fast for the speed and not a millions miles from the redline, but it didn’t feel uncomfortable. I can only think I might have been lucky and got a good one or the numerous updates made for the ‘22 model year did include something that smoothed the vibes a bit.
All that said I did a fast motorway stretch just after this review, on the NC, and I agree it does feel far more laid back and unburstable.
In short I’ve still got the NC and don’t feel any urge to order a CB even though it impressed me more than I was expecting.
Thank you for the great review and comparison! I had an NC750 a couple of years ago and really loved it, but I ended up having to sell it (long story). I now have a 2023 CB500X, which is a great bike, but I still miss the 750 a lot, particularly the DCT transmission. It was interesting to hear your comparison of the two bikes side by side; it made me feel less bad about not having the 750 anymore. I do find the 500 to be superior and more fun on the twisty roads I like to ride than I remember the 750 being (or maybe my riding has improved haha). I found the original screens on both bikes terrible. I purchased a Madstad screen for the 750, which was wonderful, but not cheap. On the 500, I just removed the screen altogether, which is a much more enjoyable and quieter experience. I had the opposite experience of the seats to you: I find I get really sore on the 500 after an hour or two, which I didn't find with the 750. I completely agree with you that the perfect bike would be if Honda put the 750 engine (and DCT) on the 500 chassis!
Hi, thank you the comment and kind words. :) I have to say I was surprised by the 500 it just felt a more polished, modern bike compared to the 750. My overriding memory of the 750 was its weight, not that it was the heaviest bike I'd ever had, but the weight for the performance available seemed excessive. This feeling was exacerbated by the NC's weak front brake, it just added to the perception of it being overweight.
Interesting too read to read your thoughts re the seat. I really need to try a newer 750 because I believe they have improved it since '18 which would tie in with your experience.
All the best...
Jon.
@@BikingChapThe front brake is a bizarre decision. I'm really liking the look of the 750, but so tight putting a single disk on the front of something that heavy. Not the place you want to cost cut.
If you go for a proper ride with a lot of hard braking, i imagine it heats up pretty bad and gets even softer?
@alkaholic4848 I agree especially as the 500 now has a good twin shock setup. I’ve ridden in the French alps however and although you need to pull harder than most other bikes I’ve ridden to make it stop, the power is there ultimately and I had no fade.
I see one of these bikes in my future. Once I finally stop living out my teenage dream on sports bikes. My friend on his BMW 1250GS is always trying to convince me of the advantages and the lack of disadvantages!
It's a BIG drop in performance if you've had a litre sports bike but if you like the low end delivery of say a Guzzi think of the NC as a bit like a Honda version of a V7. The 500 is more typical bike engine in feel and a bit buzzy at motorway speeds but the suspension and brakes were far better than the NC imho.
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Very nice comparison, thank you. I had these 2 on my shortlist. NC won due to DCT :) Honda should make CB 750 X DCT for sure :)
Thanks for feedback, much appreciated. Got to love the DCT eh? :)
@@BikingChap yes, it works so nice.
verry good riview grts danny from belgium
Thank you Danny, I really appreciate your kind words :)
Thanks for the video my wife and I have the 2019 cb500x and was looking at the nc750 but in our part of the world the is no longer available so didn’t wish to buy an older model we did hire the 2023 model cb and found an improvement over our model but not enough to upgrade just yet.
That’s a shame the NC is no longer available new. It was interesting to ride them back to back and I still don’t think it’s clear cut which is ‘better’. It very much depends on what your priorities are and how closely each bike matches that. Can you get a test ride on a second hand NC to see if it’s a better match for you and if so perhaps consider a low mileage second hand bike? They’re a very safe bet used imho.
The seat and suspension on the NC are not great. But if you look at motorcycles as a tool to experience your world. And you want the least annoyances. Get an NC with dct. Never buzzy, no fussing with gears. Just twist and enjoy the scenery. My 37th and favorite motorcycle.
Exactly, and that's why they're rightly popular. *All* bikes are compromised in some way and I'd rather that meant the seat / suspension, which can be changed easily, than fundamental reliability issues with the engine etc. The struggle will be, ultimately, what to replace it with and currently a Moto Guzzi V7 Special is looking a likely candidate, but not just yet :)
I got a 2023 nc 750 x. I hate hate hate the seat.
@@Johnrider1234 you have my sympathies! I doubt it’s any consolation but the ‘18 is worse from what I can make out. I tend to find it’s bad after an hour or so but then doesn’t get worse. Perhaps I’ve lost all feeling in my backside by then.
Certainly the top of my negative list, followed by the front brake.
@@BikingChap very interesting review. Now there’s a conundrum. I would say the MG is a choice from the heart, and I agree, whereas the NC / CB is much more the head (potentially more reliable) with spares / dealers more readily available. Usually despatch riders go with their head 😊
Yes, I agree. It’s a bit of a cliché but Honda are very good at bikes that are well built and tough but maybe not the most exciting (though the new Hornet bucks the trend!) The MG certainly stirs the soul but, as you say, I doubt many dispatchers would take the risk. :)
great comparison.
@The6077 thank you! If you’d like to see other comparisons going forward, please let me know. :)
I owned a 2014 CB500X for a few months before I bought a 2022 NC750X DCT. I find the NC a more comfortable bike in both urban and highway riding. The DCT is hands down much easier to cope with stop and go traffic than the CB's low gearing. The clutch of the CB was not light, but that could be just the year and maintenance. The NC's greater weight is less buffeted by crosswind gusts and on-coming trucks at highway speeds. I also find the frunk is quite a useful feature. While the CB is no slouch, the NC's torque feels noticeably stronger, especially in Sport mode. A quickshifter on a 2022 CB500X might change my mind on these points. I expect the suspension and braking would also be superior on the CB.
Interesting, thanks for feeding back. I think this shows how both bikes have developed over the years. The later CB500Xs have the slipper clutch that explains the heavier clutch on your earlier model. The ‘22 NC has the seat upgrade which helps comfort and the gearing tweaks have improved the punch too.
As I always say it come down to which bike better suits your priorities really, rather than one of them being ‘better’ for everyone. 👍
I have the cb500f and I will say it was able to handle riding up on the sharp edged sidewalk curb one night without any issue. Good clearance and wheels. Confidence building for sure. Haha.
They really are a great allrounder aren't they? With the F, R and X there's something for everybody! :)
Thanks for that appreciate it.
I have a cb500x, this is my second. My first 2013 reg I sold not too long after I bought it. I hated it on the bigger open roads, but I knew when I got back to where I used to live it would excel on the smaller country back lanes. So when I moved back I bought another, and your right it’s cracking in the right environment.
I’ve always fancied an nc750. I like tall geared bikes that have relaxed engines with nice torque. Most of of my riding is just going slow on the back country lanes and I’m wondering if the nc would suit this. I like the cb, but find I’m up and down gears quite a lot. I often wonder if the nc engine would deal with this better or maybe worse.
Have you tried buying an air hawk seat pad? I bought mine second hand. It can make some really uncomfortable seats much more bearable, just don’t put too much air in them like some do, start with a little air and work from there.
Cheers
Jonathan
Hi Jonathan, thanks for the feedback / question. As you like tall geared bikes with relaxed engines and good torque, the NC750 has to be on your shortlist, no question. It will happily cruise along B roads effortlessly and unlike many twins it will happily pull cleanly from tickover upwards. Will you find yourself changing up and down the 'box as often as the 500? No probably not but I do find that I tend to short-shift so probably change gears a little more often than many would on the NC.
The only question I'd ask is if you were considering the DCT. I suspect you're not from what you're saying but if you were it might be worth considering that the weight difference between the 500 and the 750DCT is significant and definitely noticeable. If you enjoy the real nimbleness of the 500 on the backroads you may just find the 750 a little more cumbersome, obviously the manual gearbox version is 10kg lighter and so the difference is less noticeable.
I hope this helps but please come back to me again if I've not been clear or you've got any other questions, good luck!
The nc750 is an enigma, when touring " b" roads riding I rarely use 6th gear or Evan 5th sometimes - but on my bandit 1200 I'm looking for another gear when in top !!
Yep, absolutely get that. When I first test rode a manual NC I bounced it in to the rev limiter more than once. I think, at least in my case, it's because I ride 'by ear' so change up when it sounds 'right'. Being used to more 'normal' bike engines, the NC sounds like it's just ticking over much of the time so I was hanging on to gear much longer than necessary. Funny old bike isn't it? :)
Really love the concept and looks of the NC750x. Great storage without bulky cases and low operating costs. Add another disc up front and 10 hp and I'd probably buy one to replace my aging Bandit 1250.
I have to say every time I ride it I wish it had the extra disc. The lack of power I don’t miss that often in honesty. Ironically I was looking at 1200 / 1250 Bandits, tough ol’ bikes. :)
Same here. I have a 1250 and that bike has been absolutely bulletproof! Now that I am getting older and absolute seed is not important - DCT seems very interesting. NC seems to be checking all the boxes.
@@lordabhikingfisher8087 take one out if at all possible, just make sure it’s a good long test ride on a dct, they do take a while to adjust to / appreciate fully.
Thanks for this comparison as my wife and I were considering trading our NC's for CB500X. After listening to your video, think we'll keep our NC's. Don't want to lose that useful "frunk".
My pleasure, it's a very personal thing rather than one being better than the other imho. I'm looking to get something a little lighter than the NC and personally it's only the higher speed work where i think the CB lags the NC but they're both great and refreshingly bomproof it seems.
@@BikingChap I wish we could afford both.
@wiregrass perhaps get just one CB and see if you fight over it? ;)
I do love how comfort is so subjective... someone coming down from a big BMW or other similarly priced bikes take half a sit on the CB500x and say "wtf, why is this so bad? Everyone says it's great" meanwhile those of us who usually have church pews to sit on are like "this is AMAZING!!!". I myself am a prolific (in my mind) cyclist.. and I have never sat on a motorbike that didn't have a more comfortable seat than my bicycle.
Lol, absolutely, it depends on what you’re used to. I used to have a TDM900 and that was like your grans favourite armchair, everything else feels like a park bench by comparison. But once an NC750X is your point of reference… 😬
2:50 If you get a used 750x you are able to upgrade the suspension. I know no one likes to talk about it. But I did see a Scotsman review 750 after upgrade he did and he said that fixed the only real complaint and really loved taking in the hills after that upgrade. Made a world of difference.
Sure and that's a fair point, perhaps get a year old one and spend the money saved on upgrading the suspension? That said my biggest beef remains the front brake. I wonder if you could swap the whole CB500X front end...Hmm...
ua-cam.com/video/xwathGZyMaI/v-deo.html Someone in Australia modding/upgrading the front suspension rather than buying new.@@BikingChap
Brilliant, I'll take a look, thanks @dailyrider2975 !
Pretty much agree. My 2020 500X gets 82 -85 no matter how its ridden, although I swapped out the 15t front sprocket for a 16t and noticible improvement in all gears especially first.
Thanks for the feedback, that 16t front sprocket mod really seems to be the way to go eh?
@@BikingChap definitely 👍
What do you mean by improvement? The original gearing on the 500X is one of the things that I really like about the bike, it feels much livelier at normal road speeds than it should. Changing the gearing takes away that liveliness, fine if you sit on main roads and motorways but a huge mistake if you ride on the windy backroads and hills where the 500X belongs. Far from an improvement in my mind.
@@davidmatthews3093 from reading the comments from guys that have done it, the change is not large. So it reduces higher cruising speeds by a few hundred rpm but doesn’t noticeable blunt pull in the lower gears. Personally I found it fine out of the box but I found many folk doing longer distance swore by it and didn’t find an issue at lower speeds.
I rode 2022 NC750X and 2019 CB500X....CB definitely more fun
The stand out for me was how much better the suspension and brakes were on the CB, weird given it was the cheaper bike.
VFR800X Crossrunner is obviously a quite a different bike and in a different class, but a fantastic bike and interesting alternative to the Africa Twin. I totally love it.
I agree, personally I’d rather have the Crossrunner for the more interesting engine and better build quality.
@@BikingChapis the cross runner the vfr800x
Yes, the VFR motor in a sit up and beg chassis. Very nicely built, the styling wasn’t completely successful but it was a class act.
I have had 3 NC’s over the years and now a 2022 CB500X. The CB500X is simply a better bike - engine is fun - suspension is 10 times better than the NC - 19” front wheel means its a go anywhere and the handling is better - also much lighter - brakes better and the seat height is higher than the 2021 NC750X. If you ride a manual NC and looking for a change try the CB500X - i did and simply love it (not if you ride lots of motorways - it does run out of puff a bit)
@marklevy9 I have to say I agree, owning the NC I was genuinely surprised how much I liked the CB. As you say it really highlights the poor NC suspension and excess of weight.
As the NC only has a little more power but weights significantly more, the CB often feels more peppy.
For me the only place the NC really beats the CB is on extended motorway trips. On balance unless that’s pretty much all you did the CB just makes more sense.
Does the cb500x have vibrations at highway speed?
@apauma1 I did a good couple of hours on motorways / interstate routes and no, I didn’t register any noticeable vibrations. As you approach the legal limit you do become aware that the engine it spinning quickly and it feels a bit ‘busy’ which is why some owners look at the 16t front sprocket to just take a few hundred rpm off the cruising speed. I’d say it’s absolutely fine up to 60mph but the NC feels more relaxed compared to the CB as the speed starts to increase.
@@apauma1 only between 104 and 106 km/h
If you can live with a simple 180 degree twin, go for the 500X, but if you want the cool sound and power delivery of a bigger long-stroke engine with a 270 degree crank, there's only the NC.
I had a CBR500R and it's an impressive bike for the money, it did everything well but wasn't outstanding in any way. That's good enough for me.
But the NC750S with the tank under the seat (I hate how a full tank on top negatively affects the handling of a bike) plus the storage in the fake tank wins out for me. When getting gas the helmet goes into the "tank" and the gas goes in under the rear seat which flips up - I like it that it's different.
Then the engine that pulls like a Diesel and rarely revs higher than 4000 rpm, the gears shift exactly the moment you think about shifting, it's just on another level.
Even though I rode bigger bikes for decades, the DCT relaxes me and I have more time to enjoy the scenery.
That's why all the other nice new models from Yamaha, Suzuki a.s.o. leave me cold. I'd get another NC with DCT if I needed one.
I agree. In many ways, especially on paper, the bikes look similar, especially when it comes to power but the character of the NC is different. The car heritage of the engine shines through as it pulls from idle and runs out of puff at similar revs to a car, as you say very diesel like.
I think for many though the DCT is the deciding factor and if that works for you, the 500 doesn't stand a chance.
All that said if you want a lighter ride and aren't doing endless motorway miles i can see why the 500 is so popular.
i have cb500x 2021 and i have share with it a lot of moments and memories. if you should have one of them, what wich was your choice ? And for buffeting a lot of people take other windscreen. i have experiance with puig touring and its very good. i think best combination its the oem windscreen because it has holes for air pressure with one puig windshield expansion
Hi, if I owned neither i think I’d buy the CB500X but as I already own the NC would I change? No, I don’t think so.
It’s a very personal thing though. For me the lower weight of the CB was tempting, the better brake too and I’m no longer doing longer distance touring so the relaxed high speed character of the bike is less important to me.
I’m 6’2” tall and found the NC scream better, the CB screen set up a pretty weird turbulence even at lower speed.
As it’s so personal I’d really recommend a good test ride of both machines so you can know what’s best for you.
I have a 2022 NC750X and I have no issues with the seat, having done lots of journeys up to a couple of hours, I've never got off feeling sore or uncomfortable, so I do think they must have improved that area (I haven't been on an older one to compare)
I've also ridden a CB500F and agree that it's noticeably buzzier, to the extent I think it would get tiring on longer trips.
Agree on the 750 suspension being a bit harsh, but also somehow a bit soft when carrying a pillion, I think maybe under sprung and over damped?
Overall it's a great bike for my uses
@mikeredgraveuk I think that’s a good description of the 750 suspension and it’s good to hear the seat is much improved now. I put about 200 miles on the 500 and in honesty I don’t think the engine / gearing would bother me unless I wanted to sit at 70-80mph on the motorways for hours on end. Ultimately it’s great Honda gives us so much choice when increasingly we’re seeing little from the big four between 125 and 650 and most of the 650s are decidedly old.
I’m a bit confused by your review as I think you should have compared both machines from the same manufacturing year,I have owned a 2017 NC750X DCT for the last 4 years. It’s a fine all rounder but not as competent as the current NC in the showrooms as this bike has a tad more power & many more updates. I believe if you compared a couple of 2022 bikes your findings would be very different.
Hi, thanks for the feedback and yes I absolutely agree that it would’ve been great to have two current bikes, unfortunately without dealer or manufacture support I do the best I can with what I can source. I will caveat any future comparison videos if the bike is not a current model etc
As to my findings being very different I have to be honest and say I’m not convinced. My one line summary would be the NC is the more rounded bike for low / mid speed work while the NC is better as the speeds and distances increase. The 4bhp increase and 6kg weight drop won’t fundamentally change the feel of the NC platform thought the reduction of the ratios in the first three gears is clearly a nod to the criticism that the NC isn’t that sprightly for a 750.
Having been on a Kawasaki test day in the last week the stand out weakness when getting back on the NC is the front brake. If they can respond to that criticism on the CB500X then a similar update for the NC is long overdue imho.
i can understand your result....still i cant agree with it personally, i would still go with the NC750X, i find it the more practical bike over all...driving an older rmodel (NC700x) and im still very happy with it, even it is not as light as the CB, its very nice to drive, specially in the city
I think it’s a very personal thing. Suffice to say I haven’t sold my NC750X and bought a CB500X but the 500 was a far better package than I was expecting.
I'm 6"2 with a 32 inseam. Do you think the cb500x is good for people with that height?
Hi Kevin, I'd say so, yes. I'm pretty much the same, 6'2" and 33" inseam and I found it fine, a little better in that regard than my own NC if I'm honest! :)
The later version NC has a few more hp and the seat is much improved. I have only ridden for a max of 1.5 hours and found it comfortable. It's interesting that you found the brakes and suspension better on the CB. Thanks for the comparison.
Thanks for the kind comments! I’ll have to try one to see how they compare, I know they also played around with the gearbox ratios and those that have had both say the new one is definitely peppier. The seat is definitely a PITA on my ‘18 so it’s good to hear they’ve tweaked that too 👍
I had an NC700X for 5 years. I got bored of it within a couple of months. Sold it, bought a 2022 cb500x a month ago, sight unseen. COVID supply problems. Anyway, I hope it's not jumping into the frying pan from the boiling cauldren. I'll give it my best, hoping it's got a bit more soul.
Bikes are very much a personal choice so only you can say for sure but with its 180 degree crank, the CB500X engine is not the most characterful engine. As a package though it’s hard to best and if you don’t want the cost and weight of a 650 there are few alternatives. Good luck!
Did the same, sold the NC700X after only 5 months...horrible seat and a car derived engine. Love my 500X. Rev happy motorcycle engine, comfortable seat and light weight!!..and 73 mpg (U.S. gallons)
Yep, I get it. It’s very much a workmanlike bike so it’s fine if you solely want utilitarian transport but I think most want a bit of fun at least occasionally and eventually that itch has to be scratched. I’m test riding a Z400 and Z650RS tomorrow, interesting to see how they compare to the CB500 and NC750 performance wise.
@@BikingChap I’m really not sure about this subjective characterful engine idea which seems to be a trendy talking point at the moment. From experience I find the sound and the performance of the 500X engine great, the way it pops and bangs on the overrun is a lovely thing.
It certainly goes better than I expected for 500 and, yes, it’s quite fruity for a standard exhaust. In short would it being a 180 degree put me off the 500? No, absolutely not, it sounds sweet imho.
You need to compare the CB with the updated version of the NC from 2022 and up. The upgrades on the 2022 NC cancels out most of your complaints with your 2018 NC750X.
@huetuber1204 I'm trying to source one at the moment to do a better comparison but the brakes and weight remain the same from what I can see.
I have manual version Nc750x 2021 and it's 214 kg. 6 kg lighter than previous model. Dct version weights more. My wife rode cb500f which has the same engine as 500X, and NC is lot more punchier especially from 2021 version. She bought Yamaha tracer 7 gt last year with 14 hp more than my NC, and there really isn't much of a difference despite Hp. I guess if you go over 150-160 km/h than Tracer has more to give, but we never ride that fast 😂 0:01
Interesting, thank you! I think the trick Honda has pulled on the latest NC, with some success, is lowering the lower gear ratios which has improved the initial acceleration. As most NC owners are travelling crazy fast, myself included, the relative lack of top end power only really manifests above the legal limit.
For further comparison I tried a 650 Kawasaki yesterday and it’s nowhere near as nice as the NC.
I tried Kawasaki versys 650 last year model, and I completely agree with you. Would never trade my NC for that one.
@@Viktor65 what disappointed me was that many years ago when I had a TDM900 I got a 650 Versys as a loaner while the TDM was being serviced. I remember the Versys being good fun and only a little less punchy than the TDM.
Yesterday’s 650RS however felt both unwilling to rev yet lacking in grunt at the same time, perhaps more recent changes to get it through emissions have not been kind.
Ironically I also went out on a Z400 and while tiny and cramped for my 6’2” frame the chassis was an absolute peach and the engine both grunty and keen to rev out out in a way that belied it’s 400cc. In no way comparable to the NC but huge fun for a sunny Sunday ride. :)
NC750X runs a 270 degree Crank in comparison with the 180 degree on the CB500X.
Absolutely, the engines feel very different in character, not only to the different crank configuration but due to the way they build power. The Hornet engine is another example of going even further up the bhp/cc ladder. :)
High 80s,i just about get 73mpg on my 22 cb500x...bloody good bike ,ive had 35 and this is in my top 5.
@porter5877 it’s a great allrounder isn’t it and seems to hit a great balance between being affordable, well spec’ed and nicely made. It was genuinely hard to find fault with it either as a new bike or on the second hand market.
@BikingChap switchgear is cheap,so are grips,some bolts are made of cheese and the rear shock can't cope at a fast pace but yes it's a very capable reliable and actually fun bike to ride.but as prices have risen nearly 7k for this 500 is not the bargain it was...my opinion.
@porter5877 yep, fair points. Interestingly I didn’t register the switchgear beyond it not having the irritating flaw of the 750 indicators where the slightest central pressure stops it sliding to left or right. You’re right too rev the slightly ‘shiny plastic’ look to the grips.
The price is interesting at £6700. £700 more than the CB500F seems reasonable value but there again it’s only £300 less than the 92bhp Hornet. Curiously the ‘adventure’ version of the Hornet is coming in at £9,500 a bit more than the £700 jump with the 500. Looking at other manufacturers it’s hard to find any 500s now and the 650s are mostly north of 8,000. Basically they seem to charge what the think the market will bear rather than what they cost plus profit.
@BikingChap adventure hornet 750? You don't mean the new xl750 transalp? I gotta check that out if it's a hornet adventure bike. Based on your pricing the new hornet does seem a bargain and it looks pretty nice too. The cb500f even though sharing the same engine is no way as good as the cb500x ,but still 7k including a few must have extras is expensive for a 500 considering what 7k gets you in the second hand ,nearly new market.but its definitely a hit for sure.
Ah I've just looked online quickly at a few photos of the new hornet adventure. Looks like a 17,18 front wheel so that's no adventure off road riding at all really.think the cb500x looks a lot nicer.
I’m torn between the 2. I actually prefer the cb500x, but I really wanted the traction control. Its going to be my first bike. Do you think the missing TC is important?
I think the CB500X makes the better first bike in honesty. It's lighter, the engine is a more typical motorcycle engine and it's about as approachable as it could possible be. I've TC on my NC and I don't think I've ever been able to trigger it and the 500 only has, roughly, 2/3 the torque so TC is even less important on the smaller machine. Unless you live in a town or village with cobbles or similar you can really do without the TC, it's honestly no loss. Enjoy your first bike whatever you choose!
@@BikingChapthank you very much, that was very helpful 🙏 I think I’ll go with the cb500x
@jmdcovas you’re more than welcome, it’s a great bike, I’m sure you won’t be disappointed. 👍
@@jc74435 Not having TC is a non-issue with 47hp. You'll love the 500X!
Absolutely, I don't think I've ever triggered it on my 750!
I have an older cb 500 from 2000. Its a great reliable bike and great fun to ride, probably faster as well.
Hi Neil, I had a ‘99 CB500S and it was a great bike with a good bit of zip at the top end. The only issue I ever had, something that only impacted the faired ones apparently, was a snapped clutch cable. You’re right too, the old one was a bit peppier than the current one.
@BikingChap mine has 56,000 on her and still going strong
I can imagine, many ran to 100k easily and more readily than Kawasakis less robust 500 twin.
Great review ! Was wanting to find this comparison ,I'm going to go the CB500X due to wanting the bike to do duel purpose & it's lighter ,hard to believe the power difference is very little
Thanks Rodney, that’s really appreciated. The latest NC has a few more horsepower but it’s never going to develop that much as it’s such a low revving engine.
The 500x has got quite a following with those looking at a dual purpose bike with lots or wheel and suspension upgrades available, in the UK at least. Good luck with the new bike!
Worried about maintenance (inc parts availability) getting more difficult as my Deauville (NT700V) gets increasingly older, i've started considering a replacement and have started to look round to see what advancement the modern bike world has to offer...
Wasn't keen on the chain drive, but i know shafts are difficult to get these days, so i can probably begrudgingly move past that. No built in panniers, aftermarket ones aren't as good but i suppose they're not too bad. No front dashboard pockets, small windscreen, none-adjustable windscreen, smaller fuel tank... starting to struggle now. Single front brake disc... urgh.
What happened to bikes over the last decade lol!??
But at least the it won't be as slow as the "dullsville", right? Oh...20% less BHP 😲
I don't get it, as the slur suggests, the dullsville was much maligned for being slow and boring, yet these are even slower and nobody seems to have a bad word to say about it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know the nc750x has that built in storage, but as predominantly a commuter, honestly i would've much preferred they ditched that silly idea and put a massive fuel tank in its place.
In terms of storage i can use a top box, panniers, rucksack, etc. In fact as a commuter, i rarely use the storage i've got - most stuff fits in my 40L rucksack and it's one less thing to do - no loading before i set off and no unloading when i arrive, just jump on at home then just jump off and walk straight into the office. It's quite rare i need extra storage, and when i do the panniers usually tick the box no problem, and for when i need serious storage i have the massive top box too.
Fuel however, the less times i have to call in at a petrol station the better.
Refuelling is not the most exciting part of motorbiking. In fact it's tedious, fiddly, and miserable. Especially when you're in a rush to get to work / tired and want to get home.
I can see that it claims to get better MPG, but the tank is a LOT smaller (14L down from 20L), so the range is still slightly less. If they put a massive fuel tank in place of that storage compartment then that would've been a massive selling point. If it had a 25L tank for example, combined with its excellent MPG, i'd hardly ever have to call in at the garage which would make me very happy.
You’re right, they come from a different era I’m afraid. Brakes we’ve discussed, tank is small but engine is crazy economical, expect 80-100mpg, 200+ easy when touring, I can squeeze 250 if pottering.
The lack of shaft is disappointing but it means more power reaches the rear wheel which makes up for have less to start with. The engine retain that bombproof NT reputation.
Far from perfect but a great workhorse.
@alkaholic4848 very much down to personal preferences I guess but on the owner forums I’ve never heard complaints re lack of range, 200+ miles is easy and most love the ‘frunk’ though I didn’t use it much.
Sorry but you are not comparing eggs with eggs. There's a four year gap and the new NC is chalk and cheese to the 21 onwards model. The twin discs on the CB makes a big difference but just put sintered pads on the NC. I went all over Europe on the NC and it's now comfortable but I do have an air seat.
Thanks for feeding back, It's a fair criticism and I need to ride the latest NC to get the best comparison. I don't feel the overall conclusion is way off however. The CB is a polished performer that's a great package around town and from town to town, the NC comes in to it's when it comes to longer distance, higher speed work. The revised gearing on the latest NC does make it feel nippier, granted, but while I can work around the firm seat, I still feel the front brake is a weak point. As we all know it ultimately has the power but a twin rotor setup would reduce the 'pull' required at the lever. A number of people I talked too had used sintered pads and while it improved things they then started to have issues with warped discs so tread carefully. I've been to France, Italy, Austria and Germany on the NC over and the last few years suffice to say I've not any plans to sell it just yet :)
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Thanks, appreciate the thumbs up :)
with a pillion?
If I regularly took a pillion I think, in honesty, I’d look at other options, especially if travelling long distance or with luggage.
If those were the only two being considered I’d probably go with the NC, I think it’s extra torque would cope a little better.
Add Cruise control to the newer nc750x and make it a bit taller windscreen and you've got the perfect bike
I like it, do you think the NC would also benefit from the CB500’s twin disc upgrade?
@@BikingChap yes I forgot, add that too, it would be great for commuting, a functional bike, low consumption, frunk, dct, low center of gravity, good for town good for highway and good for twisties.
@@wildeyestudios5 yep that’s certainly where it excels, I’ve toured on it too and it’s laid back nature is cosseting over long distance. The seat is not the best after a while mind you lol
Great comparison 👍👍👍
I had the same impression, riding both ΝC 2017 & CB 2022 USD forks.... It seems that CB is a more "complete" bike.... NCs suspensions, brakes, saddle and wind protection is for sure a con😔 compared to a CB(even the older once)
Thanks you for your kind words. :) The CB certainly seemed more polished, more expensive even. I did find the standard screen on the NC gave smoother airflow however, I found a lot of buffeting on the CB but that's easily rectified and maybe due to my height, 6'2".
@@BikingChap I see exactly what you mean. I am also a tall guy.... 1.96 (6.4).... To be honest, both bikes are a little small for us 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@MotoTubeGen 1.96m? Wow ;) Yes, I do find the distance between the pegs and seat a little small on the NC really. I know some people raise the seat slightly and fit adjustable pegs and apparently it makes a big difference - one day :)
@@BikingChap That's a good solution.... A friend of mine, used also footpegs extenders.... But again the bike is small 🤣🤣🤣
Unfortunately, there is no perfect bike
Absolutely and going forward I'll be trying to share what I think about the bikes, it's really then a question of whether the bikes good points match a buyer priorities, that's what matters :)
Elephant in the room: What about the DCT? Is that weird?
Good point, I might do a short video on the DCT. In short, as you’d expect, there are pro and cons. On the one hand it’s very easy / relaxing and allows you to concentrate more on the ride, on the other it’s less involving and ultimately offers less control than a manual ‘box.
Is it weird? Not really. It does take a bit of getting used to to feel completely at home with it, so I’d advise a long or multiple test rides. In thousands of miles I’ve only gone for the clutch a couple of times and usually when tired.
So if I wanted the bike as a city / town commuter the DCT might make most sense, if I rode more for fun and enjoy gelling with the bike more, a manual box might be more satisfying.
As I say, a lot to cover and I’ll try and go through in a video properly shortly.
How can a comparison be made with a 4 year age difference?
Hi, it’s a fair point and I take the criticism. Moving forward I’ll look to ensure bikes are either both current models or of a similar age and therefore more meaningful as a second hand review.
That said having ridden a current NC I don’t think the conclusions are a million miles off. The CB is still surprisingly good, lighter and better braked. The NC has evolved and the seat improved but the suspension can still feel harsh and the brakes still need an overly firm hand.
Thanks for feeding back, constructive criticism is always welcome. 👍
@@BikingChap
Thanks for replying. Fair comments too.
Cheers
I just don't get why the intro has to be 10x louder than the rest of the video
A really good point and one that I’m addressing in the more recent videos, the intro needs dialling way back levels wise. Thanks for feeding back.
@@BikingChap
My ears will be thanking you!
@@nikos-giorgos a new upload this weekend so further feedback on whether I've got it better balanced would be much appreciated!
What about DIY maintenance valves, plugs, and general servicing? Twin discs are nice bit do you need them, just double the work and cost!.
As a DIY biker I really don't fancy that valve job at every 16000 miles.
Thanks for the comparison.
Yes, a fair point, it was only intended as a quick riding comparison. I have done separate videos on each bike that covers the servicing requirements which may be of interest.
The valve clearance adjustment on the CB is quite involved, you either take the cams out or other parts of the valvetrain as they are shimmed. That said they rarely go out of adjustment, even over extended periods.
The NC on the other hand is about as easy as it gets for DIY. Move the radiator out of the way, pop the cam cover off and off you go, old school screw and locknut adjusters. Better still, while they might use an old school system they too rarely go out of adjustment. For DIY ease, the NC is considerably easier imho.
My thoughts exactly. Valve clearances on the cramped CB500x, looks like something I wouldn't relish, whereas the NC looks a doddle.
@@gurnstein absolutely, on the CB you have to really dig in to it to get the rocker cover off. Even once you have that off you’re then met with shim adjustments so you have to measure all the clearances then calculate which need changing, then order them and then fit them. On the NC you pretty much move the rad to one side, pop the rocker cover off and it’s easy screw and locknut. In honesty I can’t think of another bike where doing the valves is easier!
one is sports tour one is adv on off road simple
But if I’d never ridden either what does that really tell me? The NC hasn’t a sporty bone in its body and I can’t imagine anyone actually going off road on the CB.
@@BikingChap I'm just pointing both out a simple design and facts of both, the NC750 is designed as a sports tour maybe just a bit daft using the sports as it's not really I guess just a tour then but with both 17-inch wheels front and rear points out with sports wheels, second of all the CB 500 with a 19inch front wheel gives it perfect for on off-road ADV, was not saying aginst you just pointing out a simple comment to others.
Sorry, was a bit dismissive earlier, yes, I see you're point, I think you're spot on.
The NC is already an "old" bike to some. I recently sold my 91 650 Revere, similar hp and torque, bit no where near the fuel economy. I need a lighter bike, but dont want to deal with shims at service time. I was left wondering why the same engine recipe in a slightly smaller chassis was never followed up by Honda. Its the best of both worlds, motorway speed able with a full load, yet scooter economy when ridden like one. Not many bikes can do that. Hoping the real world test of the new Triumph 400X will be of interest.
I still think it’s quite an intriguing bike. It was very much designed with a distinct use in mind. Low cost, economical to run and tough. Like you I think the 400 has the potential to be a huge seller. Lighter at a time when many of us are getting a little older and downsizing and when there’s a real lack of bikes in the 125 to 650 class. Unless the price it crazy high I can see it being a big hit.
This review is silly and not valid, you cannot compare a 2018 model with a 2022 model.
Honda have obviously made lots of improvements on the nc over the 4 years. 😮
Thanks for the feedback, it is appreciated. While I’d agree it’s far from ideal as a back to back comparison, it started as a ‘would I swap my ‘18 NC for a new CB500X’ and in that context I still think it has value.
I’m trying to source a ‘22 NC currently but from what I read the fundamentals are very similar. The first three gear ratios have been lowered to give a more peppy feel but that won’t impact that top end performance which is where the NC is weaker imho.
The newer bikes seat is better but not completely sorted and ditto the suspension. The biggest downside however is the front brake and that remains unchanged in the latest variant.
So while the NC has been updated I don’t think the fundamental pros and cons between the two bikes have changed wildly and I think the conclusion where the CB is a better town and between town bike while the NC is a more relaxed higher speed, longer distance bike, stands.
Again I take onboard the criticism though and the next review will be between models that are both from the same model year.
Many thanks!
@@BikingChap OK, the only other thing you never mentioned was the very low center of gravity on the nc. due the the increased angle of the way they have slung the engine and the central low position of the fuel tank. This low center of gravity has contributed to a very good handling bike particularly in the twisties according to most recent reviews the handling is extremely good.
But I'll look forwards to your updated review. Keep on vlogging 👍
@opesprings a really good point, thanks for picking up on that. I’m a very young channel so do appreciate the feedback. Perhaps the next comparison should really be the ‘18 vs the ‘22 NC, I certainly like the new dash, being a tall guy though, I’m a little concerned re the lowered stance, food for thought, ride safe!
Honda have always kneecapped the NCs and the latest version is simply the NC750 wearing X clothing.
When looking at the Forza 750 and the ADX, which are built on the same platform (frame and engine), they have been given upside down forks, alloy swingarm, better dash, double front discs, etc.
As for the seat on the NC I am sure that the NCX, as an “adventure bike” was meant to have a larger front wheel which would have altered the seat angle, but Honda chickened out and put a smaller wheel on.
Honda long ago abandoned the NC, despite rumours of an upgraded 800 version with a newer iteration of the engine (abandoned I am sure in favour of the non DCT Transalp), to mere commuter bike territory.
I don't disagree so the obvious question has to be why? The CB500 series have had significant upgrades even though there are no obvious competitors and the Forza and the ADVX have had significant upgrades.
The only logical conclusion I can come up with is that while the Forza and ADV are deemed 'premium' products the NC is firmly in the value segment and their market research suggests buyers would rather take the lower ticket price than have new forks, better brakes and a seat that is actually comfortable.
What is clear is that the X is now an S in a dress and they appear to have no interest in developing it further now which is unfortunate.
@@BikingChapAgree.
Unfortunately Honda discontinued the S version and neutered the X to make it more street oriented. That way there's more of a distance to the ADV which has more suspension travel and all the other goodies.
I picked up a clean, 3-year-old 750S DCT with only 8000 km on the clock for 5500 Euro; it was only 8.500 Euro new.
You pay 13.000 Euro for a 2023 ADV (in Germany).
@@PrimoStracciatella yes, you do get the feeling that they looked at the S selling poorly and decided to take the X styling and simply lower it to stop it having any hint of off road capability so we see the new Transalp in a completely light - and price point of course!
Am I the only one that thinks it is silly to do an intro, then break for an intro, the start the video?
Hi, thanks for the feedback, you’re the first to raise it but quite probably not the first to think it. I picked the format up from channels like vicegripgarage and thought it was a ‘standard’ but I’d be interested in what others think because, ultimately, if it isn’t working for people, it’s easy enough to change. :)
You do a good job, sir. Just a pet peeve of mine.
Thank you for raising it, I can pretty much guarantee if you're thinking it, others are too :)
Stick a £30 deflector on the CB500X screen and any buffeting goes away.
@dondle2 thanks for that, I thought it would be as easy fix! :)
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@@robertodifiorenzza4116 Ebay.
I find it’s got more to do with my helmet than with the screen. I use three helmets; the cheap and nasty one I use locally can be a bit noisy, both of my Schuberts are fine.
The small tank on the 750 is a real disappointment for me.
It did concern me a little when I bought it but I get 180 miles commuting and as much as 250 when I’m touring so not as much as a BMW but bearable for what I use it for. :)
@@BikingChap I tend to do long days on my Himalayan. I get about 400 km per tank.
@@gcprost I’ll be doing a video shortly about ultimate range and economy, although the tank seems small for a 750 I doubt you’d see a reduction in range especially if you still travelled at similar speeds to the Himalayan. It’ll be interesting to see how close to a 100mpg (imperial) it gets. 🙂
@@BikingChap Cant you store extra fuel in the 'frunk' and decant when necessary?
@@daddystu7046 I don't recall anything in the owners manual telling you not to (I'll check) but it can get really warm in the there so unless I could line it with insulating material and ensure it was well vented somehow I'd be a bit loathed due to the risk of a build up of petrol vapour.