Great test - really appreciate it. This is the "real world" version of a range test. Most manufacturers will advertise you can get "up to xxx miles on a single charge," but that comes with a lot of asterisks: no AC, one person, no cruise control, no wind, 70º ambient temperature, etc.
So Ioniq 5 got a bit more range in same test but slightly different conditions, thats awesome to hear. I would love to see range test of the RWD versions of each. I am enjoying my RWD I5
Fun fact: The car can go into turtle mode under 5% when going up a steep incline. It scared me the first time it happened, but it goes away when the road levels out. They really don't trust people under 5%.
Turtle mode happens, when voltage requested overwhelms the maximum voltage that can be supplied (or something like that, I'm no electrician). So it happens at a higher SOC in winter, it can happen if you floor the car at a low SOC, or obviously, when the battery is almost dead.
I'm not surprised it came up a little shorter than expected. Even though it's a North south wind, It Will still create quite a difference. I've tested this on my own car. I think it has to do with the wheel area catching more wind like the wheel well area and hubcaps. But I'm not a aerodynamic scientist so just my opinion. I think if you did it again on a calm day you would have a better result.
pro tip: cross wind is constant pressure so it does not even out like a tail wind and head wind would! (uses more range) also 3 ppl in this test with sunny texas weather. awesome result!
You can buy the Ioniq 5 and spend a good amount of change upgrading the interior. Definitely not cost effective, but easier than changing the exterior of the EV6.
I think the best part about these 100%-0% range tests is seeing how the vehicle responds when you near the end of the available charge. Also, crosswinds cost energy in both directions.
Finally a range test where we, the viewers, are told miles/kWh and not just total miles driven. As someone who currently drives a Chevy Volt (with its tiny 16kW battery) I know how huge of a difference it makes driving at highway speeds, or in the cold or in the wind. My efficiency can go as high as 6 miles/kWh in warm weather city driving to as low as 3 miles/kWh (or less) in cold or highway speeds. I'm looking to go all electric soon but I have family that lives out in the sticks over 260 miles away. The nearest charger to them is 50 miles from their house. Factoring a winter drive at highway speeds I'm guessing the EV6 will be lucky to get 2.5miles/kWH on the highway. So a round trip of 100 miles (from the charger to the house and back again) it will need at least 25 kW to make that trip. Make it 30kW to have some fluff in there.
Same here. Love the Ioniq 5's exterior, but don't like the interior. Also, the EV6's sunroof opens, where the Ioniq 5's does not. I get that doesn't matter to a lot of people, but I use my sunroof 8-9 months per year.
@@ckhayne2 I like the car from what I've seen of reviews from Korea....any idea when it'll be state side? Having all these great EVs available in Europe, Korea and China but not in the states is SO frustrating. I'd love to look at a NIO or some of the other Chinese EVs I've seen.
@@paulhenryxray I am the opposite the Ioniq 5 looks better in all aspects including interior however I have a pre order as well for EV6, being an Ioniq 5 owner already my wife asked me to keep pre order but change it to the top specc'd model. If she likes in person and likes a test drive she will trade her 18 C43 Coupe. I don't need sunroof nor all the other additional features and only require RWD for additional range
Yeah I’ve been confused why neither tesla or EA has struck a deal with Buccees. There’s shopping, food, lots of clean restrooms, tons of parking and general convenience store stuff to do which most easily spend 20-30 mins in anyway
I drove a first edition GT-line last weekend. Fun car! The fake engine sounds were annoying to me. I prefer my electrics to be quiet. You mentioned getting 3.0 mi/kWh. Would love to see a comparison chart of the cars you’ve done the 70mph range test on to see efficiency rankings.
I really like seeing these real world range test. This would be most cool for me here in Dallas....I have a tendency to drive on the F.M. roads mostly at speeds of 60-65.
My 2022 Kia niro ev avg 3.3 miles /kwh 70 mph this winter in more mountainous Western Maryland and is a less expensive car. Glad I did not wait for the EV6.
Less power, less weight, less room, less tech, in an uglier looking vehicle though. The ev6 imo should be around the niro ev price point's. Maybe in 2-3 more year's unless inflation goes buck wild on us. 🤔
Compare your niro with the rwd version that gets better range. The price is comparable (depending on options the ev6 is cheaper actually) but no heat pump on the rwd ev6 though.
@@4literv6 Your points are all valid. I was not willing to wait 2 or three years for the price to drop and the bugs to be worked out. I got an EV which has been thoroughly debugged and is efficient.
@@timothysullivan7433 that is excellent reasoning imo. 👍🏻 The new ev6 at 10-20% less and after say 2 year's of production. Would be a very interesting proposition vs the current&soon to arrive competition's offerings. Should be many more 800+v chargers by then&maybe the tesla network also opens up, hopefully standard heat pump across all model trims, standard battery pre conditioning, and more dealers fully certified and trained to do anything they may need.
Great video. Video would be awesome if you included the charging experience as well at the end. Really a bummer, been looking at this car or the Hyundai, and it looks like it will just not do the LA to Vegas trip that I do often. Camry's get mid 40's on road trips like this, and 70 mph not going to cut it along the 15 Freeway. Closer to near 80 on the slow lane, and need to hit near 90 to hit the fast lane to pass the slow moving vehicles.
The Kia Niro EV also adjusts the cruise speed on limited access highways if you have it set to the speed limit, the set speed will be green with an “auto” next to it.
I'd consider this bad as someone who lives in a cold climate. If they're only getting 220 miles in nice weather, I'd hate to see what it does at 0 degrees F. It would likely not be good enough for the majority of my typical weekend getaways.
I live in Colorado. How does going up and then down the mountains effect range? Does it even out, or end up taking more than you get back from using the I pedal on the way down?
You can have it off or a choice of three different sounds. I'm absolutely in love with this sound haha. Once I got used to it it's awesome because it actually matches the fake revs
you could probably get another 10 miles after 0, plus regen (went back from 0% to 1% on that freeway exit), so, maybe 15 iles? Cured the owner of range anxiety I'd imagine. I do believe that normally this car will out range IONIQ 5
When on a test of this sort do you take into consideration the number of passengers. I’m guessing the three of you came in around 500 lbs. I wasn’t even in the car and I was stressing.
Is that the “Glacier” or the “Snow White Pearl” color?
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Sadly loop-style does not remove all wind effect. The effect of wind on range is asymmetric and not totally intuitive: there are diagrams of all wind directions and speed and range loss, and its not a zero-sum game: there is range loss for more than 50% of all combinations!
This is really helpful information. I assume this was the AWD version. I bet you would have gotten a boost in range if you pre cooled the car and drove without climate control on and only used it when it got too warm. That's usually the best way to get more range in EVs at a set speed. Even the car will show a drastic change in range going from no heat/AC to turning it on the lowest setting.
Yep AWD Wind version. We did have the interior nearly preconditioned, as ambient and interior temps were similar. We plan to run additional range tests in the future with perhaps no climate control (I.e. perfect weather situation) but that’s typically less realistic, as most people will want some form of climate running.
Using the AC or heat on a 70 degree day causes an almost negligible draw on the electrical system. It may have resulted in an additional mile or 2 of overall range.
Mercedes S-classes had vents in the pillars all the way back in the early 2000s, that's considered a premium feature and has nothing to do with Tesla, my S55 AMG back then had them.
Minor observation/question: The steering wheel looks purely round. I know for sure that the Ioniq 5 is flat on the bottom, and I thought the EV6 was as well… Is this particular EV6 AWD?
At 70mph? Great if true. Downside to the leaf is chademo speed/availability. I have a 2015 leaf myself and love it, just wish it had CCS, chademo is scarce
Do these cars navigate to charging stops and state charge time to reach destination. Just got in from a 10 1/2 hour trip from Depoe Bay Oregon to Sacramento. 4 stops total 1 for 20 minutes and 3 for 15 minutes. With a hand full of others that I could opt to used. Tesla M3 not the prettiest car but but we like the charging infrastructure out west
@@Jordan_Schiefer EV6 has a great charge speed. Kyle charged the prototype from 0-100% in 47 mins. That's crazy good, considering the Tesla's do it from 66-70 minutes...depending on which model you have.
Doesn’t make sense to turn regen off if you’re trying to maximize range. You want as much regen as possible, not least. Maybe if you’re able to maintain a constant speed it doesn’t matter but if you have to tap your brakes for any reason, you know, like in the real world, you’ve just given up that energy.
Coasting is more efficient than 1 pedal driving in most driving situations. Additionally, most EVs (Not Teslas) have blended braking so that when you tap the brake pedal it uses regen first and then friction brakes if necessary, so you're still getting the regen but only when you need it to actually slow you down.
We did use max regen, that must have been accidentally cut from the video. But as others have pointed out, our constant 70 mph would result in it being negligible.
Dear friends… It's a shame that an otherwise fine video like this, is ruined by the wind noise. I do not think I'm the only one who wants you to use some microphones that could remedy the problem. One or more RØDE with wind caps. We would all get so much more out of it. It is a pity that such good information is destroyed by wind and other noise 😇
@@ziaemad I'll take your word for it, I'm sure a mic and my AirPods aren't doing it justice. Congrats on the sweet new wheels! I'm taking delivery of a Model 3 LR in 2 weeks, looking forward to joining the EV world.
Haha. I recently lived that experience. Luckily I was the only person in the car as it was a situation that could have easily led to a divorce. I also made it at 0% thanks to that extra that they hide from you knowing people like me will push the limits.
The efficiency is disappointing, I was really hoping for better given the weather conditions. Aside from the crosswind, this is basically ideal efficiency conditions. Model 3 LR would be getting 4mi/kwh under the same conditions and even my Bolt, which has poor high speed efficiency, would be getting 3.3-3.5mi/kWh. I’m in the market for a new EV but the majority of my driving is highway commuting, so increasing my car payment and decreasing the vehicle efficiency (vs what I already have) is a hard pill to swallow. The Model 3 is amazing for its excellent efficiency and fast charging, it makes longer road trips so easy, it’s the interior noise, rough suspension and poor build quality that make road trips (or my 2hr round trip commute) a little tiresome, which makes me consider replacing it. Just not sure I’m willing to lose 1mi/kWh (or maybe more in cold weather) for a nicer driving experience.
Well then, that didn't get anywhere near its EPA range... And at 70F; pretty much perfect temperatures. EPA is 274 miles. It got 223 miles. 18.5% less than EPA. That range underperformance is as bad as Tesla's.... and that's saying something. Yikes. A crosswind may have hurt efficiency, but if the wind was towards or against the car, then it shouldn't have had a large impact if driving up and down the same stretch of road, half the time benefiting from the wind, and half the time being hurt by it. There were some hiccups with the speed at the start which could have eaten 'some' range. However, he also slowed down at the end due to the battery which could have added some range. Also worth pointing out that range tests don't typically have 3 people in the car. Two extra people is ~350 lbs extra, whereas every 100 lbs can reduce efficiency by 1-2%. Say it's 1% in this car, then that's 3.5% range loss, or about 8 miles. Still nowhere near its EPA range.
Weird that Kyle got better range (227 miles) in the Ioniq 5 that's only rated at 256 miles EPA while driving in colder weather (50F down to 37F). Higher elevation may have helped (less air resistance), and I think Kyle only had one other person in the car.
Sounds like the temperature ranged from 83F to 70F and was sunny, so you were probably running the A/C pretty hard early on which certainly didn't help. Doesn't look like this car as a moonroof/sunroof, so that should have helped a bit. A/C use should be partially offset by lower air resistance from the warmer temperatures. Given the test parameters, this car seems to have fallen well short of its EPA range.
EPA range is combined city/highway range. EVs are less efficient at constant highway speeds. It was never going to get the full EPA range on this test.
EPA is typically not a showcase of highway range, and EVs almost never meet the EPA expectations. It’s worth noting Kyle had to slow down for a few miles in the IONIQ 5 test, and also drove slower at the end while trying to fully drain the battery, while we hit 0% still on the highway. Kyle also had 2 slightly larger people whereas we had 3 slightly smaller people. It’s nearly impossible to pretend it’s a lab result test, but it’s quite reminiscent of a real world scenario.
Am I the only one disappointed with these range tests? And this was in very good climate conditions. When you take a road trip with the family and the luggage, you wont’t get anywhere near reported range claims. And range will decline over time. Don’t Teslas provide better mile/kWh? How do they do that?
Is it unrealistic to expect all new ground up EVs to have at least 300mi range? we barely get 190mi on my polestar this winter and I feel like I have to charge it more often than I would like at home. We have a phev Pacifica and getting another ev. With only one home charger, it’ll be a juggle coordinating the 3 ev charging sessions.
The EPA reported range is a combined city and highway range. It was never going to hit that on this test. The EPA should really report separate city and highway ranges like they do for ICE fuel economy.
I am disappointed as well. My Mach E Select AWD did 227 miles on the highway at 70 in these conditions with a 68 kWh battery. EPA rated for 211. Kia rated for 274 and only does 227. Very surprising. Do they use the Tesla unrealistic EPA test method?
The range really is not that great... China is pumping out cars that have 150 KW/h batteries in them soon and can do 1,000 KM. Kia? Not even close at 356.8 KM.
Love to see this…..in real life. China’s cars are rated from a non-realistic test method like Europe and it is not achievable. Munro is reviewing a China EV soon. Anxious to see the real range. I do not believe any data from a Chinese EV manufacturer until rated by the EPA. The last 120 mile China “incredible EV” ended up having a 59 mile range from the EPA.
Great test - really appreciate it. This is the "real world" version of a range test. Most manufacturers will advertise you can get "up to xxx miles on a single charge," but that comes with a lot of asterisks: no AC, one person, no cruise control, no wind, 70º ambient temperature, etc.
Living in Texas, 230 miles from a fast charger, planning to by an Kia EV6. Truly appreciate this review!
You better get that 240v in your garage haha
15:43 - Might be my favorite part of the video, just knowing there's other regular dudes out there who also enjoy the lovely sounds of Millencolin.
This is my favorite comment! That's one of my favorite hoodies!!
So Ioniq 5 got a bit more range in same test but slightly different conditions, thats awesome to hear. I would love to see range test of the RWD versions of each. I am enjoying my RWD I5
Head wind is the biggest battery drainer there is, and heavy wet roads. Not surprised you got those numbers.
Fun fact: The car can go into turtle mode under 5% when going up a steep incline. It scared me the first time it happened, but it goes away when the road levels out. They really don't trust people under 5%.
Turtle mode happens, when voltage requested overwhelms the maximum voltage that can be supplied (or something like that, I'm no electrician). So it happens at a higher SOC in winter, it can happen if you floor the car at a low SOC, or obviously, when the battery is almost dead.
@@wojciechmuras553 So it's sort of like limp mode on and ice car.
Given the nonzero number of people who end up on the roadside out of gas in ICE cars, I consider it justified.
I'm not surprised it came up a little shorter than expected. Even though it's a North south wind, It Will still create quite a difference. I've tested this on my own car. I think it has to do with the wheel area catching more wind like the wheel well area and hubcaps. But I'm not a aerodynamic scientist so just my opinion. I think if you did it again on a calm day you would have a better result.
pro tip: cross wind is constant pressure so it does not even out like a tail wind and head wind would! (uses more range) also 3 ppl in this test with sunny texas weather. awesome result!
Also if they have luggage in there too.🤔
you'd get more range with less dead weight (passengers). But a realistic evaluation. very good range actually.
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I wish I could get EV6 interior with Ioniq 5 exterior
Heck yeah, with the 577hp gt or n line trim. Then figure out how to shave about 10% of the weight off ad big brakes and c.f. 20" wheels. 😁
EV6 looks much better in person. The electric Mustang too.
You can buy the Ioniq 5 and spend a good amount of change upgrading the interior. Definitely not cost effective, but easier than changing the exterior of the EV6.
Nah dude. Ev6 exterior, ev6 interior, ionic 5 all glass roof.
THAT is the perfect combo.
Definitely in TX - I see a Whataburger! Cool to see this test in a different locale, Jordan.
I think the best part about these 100%-0% range tests is seeing how the vehicle responds when you near the end of the available charge.
Also, crosswinds cost energy in both directions.
Finally a range test where we, the viewers, are told miles/kWh and not just total miles driven. As someone who currently drives a Chevy Volt (with its tiny 16kW battery) I know how huge of a difference it makes driving at highway speeds, or in the cold or in the wind. My efficiency can go as high as 6 miles/kWh in warm weather city driving to as low as 3 miles/kWh (or less) in cold or highway speeds.
I'm looking to go all electric soon but I have family that lives out in the sticks over 260 miles away. The nearest charger to them is 50 miles from their house. Factoring a winter drive at highway speeds I'm guessing the EV6 will be lucky to get 2.5miles/kWH on the highway. So a round trip of 100 miles (from the charger to the house and back again) it will need at least 25 kW to make that trip. Make it 30kW to have some fluff in there.
I was more of an Ionic 5 fan initially but the more I see the EV6 I think I like it more.
Same here. Love the Ioniq 5's exterior, but don't like the interior. Also, the EV6's sunroof opens, where the Ioniq 5's does not. I get that doesn't matter to a lot of people, but I use my sunroof 8-9 months per year.
I really like the EV6, but just seen the Genesis GV60, and like it even more. Pretty neat what Hyundai is doing with basically the same car.
@@ckhayne2 I like the car from what I've seen of reviews from Korea....any idea when it'll be state side? Having all these great EVs available in Europe, Korea and China but not in the states is SO frustrating. I'd love to look at a NIO or some of the other Chinese EVs I've seen.
@@paulhenryxray I am the opposite the Ioniq 5 looks better in all aspects including interior however I have a pre order as well for EV6, being an Ioniq 5 owner already my wife asked me to keep pre order but change it to the top specc'd model. If she likes in person and likes a test drive she will trade her 18 C43 Coupe. I don't need sunroof nor all the other additional features and only require RWD for additional range
I'm the opposite.. Much prefer the Ioniq 5
Yeah I’ve been confused why neither tesla or EA has struck a deal with Buccees. There’s shopping, food, lots of clean restrooms, tons of parking and general convenience store stuff to do which most easily spend 20-30 mins in anyway
Tesla has. They are putting superchargers a bunch of buc-ees just search tesla and buc-ees
@@hyperthreaders well I don’t live and breathe Tesla so I just looked it up as you said and that’s good. Only makes sense
I drove a first edition GT-line last weekend. Fun car! The fake engine sounds were annoying to me. I prefer my electrics to be quiet. You mentioned getting 3.0 mi/kWh. Would love to see a comparison chart of the cars you’ve done the 70mph range test on to see efficiency rankings.
The settings are very customizable. I was able to quickly and permanently turn off the internal EV sounds.
Superchargers coming to Buc-ees
Do you guys keep a spreadsheet of the results? Interesting that the Ioniq 5 AWD beat this by a few miles.
I really like seeing these real world range test. This would be most cool for me here in Dallas....I have a tendency to drive on the F.M. roads mostly at speeds of 60-65.
I (the owner) live in Plano. I can't wait to get my charger installed at home so I can start taking this to fm 455 ha ha
My 2022 Kia niro ev avg 3.3 miles /kwh 70 mph this winter in more mountainous Western Maryland and is a less expensive car. Glad I did not wait for the EV6.
Less power, less weight, less room, less tech, in an uglier looking vehicle though. The ev6 imo should be around the niro ev price point's.
Maybe in 2-3 more year's unless inflation goes buck wild on us. 🤔
If the Niro's charging speed isn't a dealbreaker, it's a much better value EV.
Compare your niro with the rwd version that gets better range. The price is comparable (depending on options the ev6 is cheaper actually) but no heat pump on the rwd ev6 though.
@@4literv6 Your points are all valid. I was not willing to wait 2 or three years for the price to drop and the bugs to be worked out. I got an EV which has been thoroughly debugged and is efficient.
@@timothysullivan7433 that is excellent reasoning imo. 👍🏻
The new ev6 at 10-20% less and after say 2 year's of production. Would be a very interesting proposition vs the current&soon to arrive competition's offerings.
Should be many more 800+v chargers by then&maybe the tesla network also opens up, hopefully standard heat pump across all model trims, standard battery pre conditioning, and more dealers fully certified and trained to do anything they may need.
Great video. Video would be awesome if you included the charging experience as well at the end. Really a bummer, been looking at this car or the Hyundai, and it looks like it will just not do the LA to Vegas trip that I do often. Camry's get mid 40's on road trips like this, and 70 mph not going to cut it along the 15 Freeway. Closer to near 80 on the slow lane, and need to hit near 90 to hit the fast lane to pass the slow moving vehicles.
The Kia Niro EV also adjusts the cruise speed on limited access highways if you have it set to the speed limit, the set speed will be green with an “auto” next to it.
About what I’d expect. Not bad, not great.
I'd consider this bad as someone who lives in a cold climate. If they're only getting 220 miles in nice weather, I'd hate to see what it does at 0 degrees F. It would likely not be good enough for the majority of my typical weekend getaways.
Oh man. I was getting very nervous too as the battery was draining lol
How fast is it charging after being pulled down all the way to 0%?
It charged crazy fast, over 200kW almost right away
I live in Colorado. How does going up and then down the mountains effect range? Does it even out, or end up taking more than you get back from using the I pedal on the way down?
More wind and an extra person. When they did a test in the UK the ev6 is a bit more aero dynamic than the i5 so went further.
That pseudo engine noise is SUPER goofy!! The EV6 looks like a great car and have no doubt it will take off.
re: "That pseudo engine noise is SUPER goofy!!" ikr...? that noise would make me lose my sh!t.
You can have it off or a choice of three different sounds. I'm absolutely in love with this sound haha. Once I got used to it it's awesome because it actually matches the fake revs
Yep- not a fan of the whole jetson's engine noise
It will catch fire.
you could probably get another 10 miles after 0, plus regen (went back from 0% to 1% on that freeway exit), so, maybe 15 iles? Cured the owner of range anxiety I'd imagine. I do believe that normally this car will out range IONIQ 5
When on a test of this sort do you take into consideration the number of passengers. I’m guessing the three of you came in around 500 lbs. I wasn’t even in the car and I was stressing.
Weight makes a minuscule difference when on level ground at constant speed. Not even worth mentioning.
How long did it take to charge?
Is this the air - RWD - version?
Is that the “Glacier” or the “Snow White Pearl” color?
Sadly loop-style does not remove all wind effect. The effect of wind on range is asymmetric and not totally intuitive: there are diagrams of all wind directions and speed and range loss, and its not a zero-sum game: there is range loss for more than 50% of all combinations!
thanks, capt obvious
This is not a lab test
Definitely true. That’s why I think we came in a bit under what I expected, with 10-15 mph cross winds.
Does the car precondition the battery when enter in the charging station?
It’s just a relaxing experience traveling in the good Vineland on electric car
This is really helpful information. I assume this was the AWD version. I bet you would have gotten a boost in range if you pre cooled the car and drove without climate control on and only used it when it got too warm. That's usually the best way to get more range in EVs at a set speed. Even the car will show a drastic change in range going from no heat/AC to turning it on the lowest setting.
Yep AWD Wind version. We did have the interior nearly preconditioned, as ambient and interior temps were similar. We plan to run additional range tests in the future with perhaps no climate control (I.e. perfect weather situation) but that’s typically less realistic, as most people will want some form of climate running.
Using the AC or heat on a 70 degree day causes an almost negligible draw on the electrical system. It may have resulted in an additional mile or 2 of overall range.
Maybe invest in a lav mic with a deadcat for talking in the wind
Yep Kyle had the microphones with him, we need a second set so we can keep up the simultaneous film crews!
Mercedes S-classes had vents in the pillars all the way back in the early 2000s, that's considered a premium feature and has nothing to do with Tesla, my S55 AMG back then had them.
Please report your KWH on the recharge so we can see a true Mi/kWh.....2.88 mi/kWh if it used all 77.
The wind certainly made an impact on the sound. You really need to get a Dead Cat Windjammer over the microphone.
Minor observation/question: The steering wheel looks purely round. I know for sure that the Ioniq 5 is flat on the bottom, and I thought the EV6 was as well…
Is this particular EV6 AWD?
This was AWD Wind model yes
My Leaf Plus with Aero wheels can do the same, was hoping for a bit more with the EV6.
At 70mph? Great if true. Downside to the leaf is chademo speed/availability. I have a 2015 leaf myself and love it, just wish it had CCS, chademo is scarce
@@botanicalstig I put 16" EV01 rims on my S+. ua-cam.com/video/MhxXQCVqsMk/v-deo.html
Do these cars navigate to charging stops and state charge time to reach destination. Just got in from a 10 1/2 hour trip from Depoe Bay Oregon to Sacramento. 4 stops total 1 for 20 minutes and 3 for 15 minutes. With a hand full of others that I could opt to used. Tesla M3 not the prettiest car but but we like the charging infrastructure out west
They do not yet, not as of their launch!
Do you think having three people vs two (like your usual tests) had any impact?
Negligible
Aerodynamics controls, not weight.
@@pastortt4167 very little impact at constant speed
@@pastortt4167 having road tripped with a heavily loaded car and the same car unloaded, the difference isn’t noticeable
@@pastortt4167 that’s aero drag.
This model has the tech pkg. A sunroof should be standard on the Wind.
Thats the Kia Air base line model, its also 2WD, not AWD...
How long did it take to recharge to 100%.
We’ll be including videos in the future on its charge test, but approximately 10-12 minutes from 0-50%, and roughly 45-50 minutes from 0-100%
@@Jordan_Schiefer EV6 has a great charge speed. Kyle charged the prototype from 0-100% in 47 mins. That's crazy good, considering the Tesla's do it from 66-70 minutes...depending on which model you have.
Was expecting a bit more range, but the fast charging helps.
So long as they figure out the preconditioning anyway.
That active sound while traveling sounds like a Cessna taking off.... just saying.
223 is terrible not even industry standard of 250 but i love the car
Bring it in
why 0 regen? won't you get better range with full regen?
It was full regen, we accidentally cut it out of the video in the editing process
I accidentally called it zero. What I meant was it was maxed out
Was the test done in ECO mode?
Yes it was. 👍🏼
Nice range.
Doesn’t make sense to turn regen off if you’re trying to maximize range. You want as much regen as possible, not least. Maybe if you’re able to maintain a constant speed it doesn’t matter but if you have to tap your brakes for any reason, you know, like in the real world, you’ve just given up that energy.
Coasting is more efficient than 1 pedal driving in most driving situations. Additionally, most EVs (Not Teslas) have blended braking so that when you tap the brake pedal it uses regen first and then friction brakes if necessary, so you're still getting the regen but only when you need it to actually slow you down.
We did use max regen, that must have been accidentally cut from the video. But as others have pointed out, our constant 70 mph would result in it being negligible.
We had Regen maxed out. I think my verbiage was wrong in the video.
Turtle Mode oh the horror! 😂
Nice
Yal not too far from me In garland
Dear friends…
It's a shame that an otherwise fine video like this, is ruined by the wind noise.
I do not think I'm the only one who wants you to use some microphones that could remedy the problem. One or more RØDE with wind caps. We would all get so much more out of it. It is a pity that such good information is destroyed by wind and other noise 😇
I’m trying to get Kyle to order another set so we can use them in this case. 😎
I would have dropped to 55mph because I'd be freaking that low.
I was sweating profusely. But we had to stay true
Oof, that piped-in speed-based nouse is NOT it. Aside from that, this is a really cool car
You can turn it off and choose from three other sounds. That one in real life sounds really cool and I'm actually obsessed with it haha
@@ziaemad I'll take your word for it, I'm sure a mic and my AirPods aren't doing it justice. Congrats on the sweet new wheels! I'm taking delivery of a Model 3 LR in 2 weeks, looking forward to joining the EV world.
My anxiety went up just by watching...
Haha. I recently lived that experience. Luckily I was the only person in the car as it was a situation that could have easily led to a divorce. I also made it at 0% thanks to that extra that they hide from you knowing people like me will push the limits.
I can’t believe how close that is to the ioniq 5 interiors
Same car essentially
220 miles at only 70mph is not acceptable. The new Ioniq 5 and the EV6 just is not as efficient as I was hoping they would be.
Then get the Lucid Air.
Mighty brave driving it down so low. I did that once by accident...cold sapped my battery. Never again.
I'm still sweating....
2023 will get a heatpump and more kw same as the 5...
ok it's Feb and you are wearing a T shirt. You suck. LOL. Love from Toronto.
After picking this car up in Green Bay Wisconsin, we were soaking up the Texas sun!!
@@Jordan_Schiefer what was the name of that colour? Beautiful car by the way. They haven’t arrived in Canada yet
@@kevinn1158 I believe it’s called “Glacier”
@@kevinn1158 it's glacier white. Like an off white beige white
@@ziaemad looks good. Thanks!
3.0/kwh is a terrible efficiency for a 77.4kwh pack. My Nissan leaf gets 4.2 @ 70mph going up elevation , 50%+ more efficient.
The efficiency is disappointing, I was really hoping for better given the weather conditions. Aside from the crosswind, this is basically ideal efficiency conditions. Model 3 LR would be getting 4mi/kwh under the same conditions and even my Bolt, which has poor high speed efficiency, would be getting 3.3-3.5mi/kWh. I’m in the market for a new EV but the majority of my driving is highway commuting, so increasing my car payment and decreasing the vehicle efficiency (vs what I already have) is a hard pill to swallow. The Model 3 is amazing for its excellent efficiency and fast charging, it makes longer road trips so easy, it’s the interior noise, rough suspension and poor build quality that make road trips (or my 2hr round trip commute) a little tiresome, which makes me consider replacing it. Just not sure I’m willing to lose 1mi/kWh (or maybe more in cold weather) for a nicer driving experience.
This is a much larger car than the Model 3 or Bolt.
Stupid sound … but oh well, nice test.
Well then, that didn't get anywhere near its EPA range... And at 70F; pretty much perfect temperatures. EPA is 274 miles. It got 223 miles. 18.5% less than EPA. That range underperformance is as bad as Tesla's.... and that's saying something. Yikes. A crosswind may have hurt efficiency, but if the wind was towards or against the car, then it shouldn't have had a large impact if driving up and down the same stretch of road, half the time benefiting from the wind, and half the time being hurt by it.
There were some hiccups with the speed at the start which could have eaten 'some' range. However, he also slowed down at the end due to the battery which could have added some range. Also worth pointing out that range tests don't typically have 3 people in the car. Two extra people is ~350 lbs extra, whereas every 100 lbs can reduce efficiency by 1-2%. Say it's 1% in this car, then that's 3.5% range loss, or about 8 miles. Still nowhere near its EPA range.
Weird that Kyle got better range (227 miles) in the Ioniq 5 that's only rated at 256 miles EPA while driving in colder weather (50F down to 37F). Higher elevation may have helped (less air resistance), and I think Kyle only had one other person in the car.
Sounds like the temperature ranged from 83F to 70F and was sunny, so you were probably running the A/C pretty hard early on which certainly didn't help. Doesn't look like this car as a moonroof/sunroof, so that should have helped a bit. A/C use should be partially offset by lower air resistance from the warmer temperatures. Given the test parameters, this car seems to have fallen well short of its EPA range.
EPA range is combined city/highway range. EVs are less efficient at constant highway speeds. It was never going to get the full EPA range on this test.
EPA is typically not a showcase of highway range, and EVs almost never meet the EPA expectations. It’s worth noting Kyle had to slow down for a few miles in the IONIQ 5 test, and also drove slower at the end while trying to fully drain the battery, while we hit 0% still on the highway. Kyle also had 2 slightly larger people whereas we had 3 slightly smaller people. It’s nearly impossible to pretend it’s a lab result test, but it’s quite reminiscent of a real world scenario.
Am I the only one disappointed with these range tests? And this was in very good climate conditions. When you take a road trip with the family and the luggage, you wont’t get anywhere near reported range claims. And range will decline over time. Don’t Teslas provide better mile/kWh? How do they do that?
Is it unrealistic to expect all new ground up EVs to have at least 300mi range? we barely get 190mi on my polestar this winter and I feel like I have to charge it more often than I would like at home. We have a phev Pacifica and getting another ev. With only one home charger, it’ll be a juggle coordinating the 3 ev charging sessions.
The EPA reported range is a combined city and highway range. It was never going to hit that on this test. The EPA should really report separate city and highway ranges like they do for ICE fuel economy.
I am disappointed as well. My Mach E Select AWD did 227 miles on the highway at 70 in these conditions with a 68 kWh battery. EPA rated for 211. Kia rated for 274 and only does 227. Very surprising. Do they use the Tesla unrealistic EPA test method?
You can get the Lucid Air.
@@TB-um1xz Thanks. Lucid is far out of the common man’s price range.
The range really is not that great... China is pumping out cars that have 150 KW/h batteries in them soon and can do 1,000 KM. Kia? Not even close at 356.8 KM.
Love to see this…..in real life. China’s cars are rated from a non-realistic test method like Europe and it is not achievable. Munro is reviewing a China EV soon. Anxious to see the real range. I do not believe any data from a Chinese EV manufacturer until rated by the EPA. The last 120 mile China “incredible EV” ended up having a 59 mile range from the EPA.