We have a 2022 Kia Sorento PHEV. Kia makes ev range with low estimates. The Sorento has 32 miles EV OEM. I drive 80 miles on my daily commute, and 48 miles are in EV only. But it does recharge the battery in gas mode. Combined I'm getting 55 MPG❤
@@ichigo19870with what I know about how the E-GMP platform works You would have to go for quite a while before problems happen. Especially if you're going at lower speeds, I still wouldn't recommend because that massive buffer is there to help prevent the battery from degrading quickly both by keeping the battery in a state of charge range. That's healthy and by artificially increasing the percentage of the battery you have access to when it does degrade.
As another data point, we have just over 1,000 mi in our RWD Long Range model and are averaging 250mi of range on fwy with 75mph speed limits (averaging 73 usually on the fwy, using HDA2 to maintain speed limit or slow as needed with traffic etc). This is mostly in ideal temps (60s-70s). On city streets and even mountain roads (slower speeds), we get closer to 300mi, but unfortunately most our driving is on freeway and with sub par charging availability we are arriving with only 13pct left at times…good to know we can squeeze out more range if needed but hopefully we don’t ever test near or at 0pct :)
0:00: 🚗 Highway range test of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD 99.8kWh with 10% challenge and DC charging. 4:12: 🔋 Range and charging performance test of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD with 99.8kWh battery. 8:05: 🚗 Insights on battery break-in, storage, and voltage range in a new EV. 12:16: 🔌 Unusual charging behavior experienced during test drive of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD. 16:52: 🚗 Highway range test in a Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD with a 99.8kWh battery, cruising at 70 mph and crossing into Wyoming. 20:59: 🚗 Highway range test of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD below 0% state of charge. 25:32: ⚡ Challenging situation driving an electric vehicle below 0% charge on a highway test. 30:00: 🚗 Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD 99.8kWh range test pushing below 0% 34:55: 🚗 High-speed test drive of a Kia EV9 with a large battery pack, pushing it to its limits and successfully recharging. Recap by Tammy AI
While not an “ideal range test” this is the real world test. The weather will never be perfect for those who own one to eek every mile out of the pack.
Nice range test for sure. You are correct that you would have run it similarly had you hit the turn around the exit before. The EV9 deserves every mile counted above 55MPH as Highway range test and recognition for every mile driven. 39:28
@@GenieFarms efficiency average on mine is now 3 mi/kwh. I did nothing special. I home charge overnights on the provided cable and supercharge at stations as needed on road trips. Almost 8k total miles now!
Wowsers! Such commitment to try maintain the integrity of the test! Great stuff! Look forward to your reflections once you have had time to recharge the Kia and yourself. All the best.
I have a feeling in a few years these will have taken over the roads. Honestly the base model seems like the one to get in my eyes though especially if its job most of the time is taking the family around town.
@@TedTed-xh1ys That would be really nice to see price of the EV9 go down 25%. Love how the Highway Driving Assist autopilot feature does not require the driver to touch the steering wheel. No nagging, more like Openpilot (and OP works well on Kia vehicles, so open source is even an option for engineers who get the EV9). Great new model, go Kia.
Dammit, i missed the livestream for this one. This was a classic. Great EV, great UA-cam entertainment. I could have just listened to Kyle on a podcast for this one.
At 26:55 it looks like 6% left after 233.3 miles of an honest 70mph so 248 miles of range from 100-0. The fact there is a huge buffer below 0% and if you drive slower than 70mph and even coast in neutral etc you can go way further than you might expect is interesting to know but can't be counted as part of actual customer expected 70mph range. Still a good result for a big brick though, especially given the temperature!
I'd say around 260 with more ideal conditions. That's actually solid versus its range rating. Only problem is with cargo, passengers, all vents inside running, going 75, more extreme temps, and battery degredation, the range could fall closer to 220 miles. Still a decent figure given its capability and price. On par with a Model Y Long Range/Performance
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 I would like to see a test with 7-8 people on board since that is why people buy large 3 row SUV's, to fill them up and get a lot of utility out of them. In theory, that would be a cargo of 1,000-1,500 lbs. It will always be difficult to compare a 3 row ICE vehicle to an and EV due to how much more capable an ICE SUV is at hauling cargo, towing, etc. Not a diss on EV's, just a real world look at the capabilities of each.
So what do we take this to mean? 250 miles of highway range? 265 miles? A real summary or at least more clear highlights of actual mileage driven at 70mph and real usable range would be helpful. Sometimes you guys focus on kwh on a miles driven test or miles driven on the 10% challenge test when time is really the issue there.
Damn, I am watchin and posting my expression today 09/03. I am an proud owner of Land Model with extra package and truly loves the car after 4 weeks of ownership. Yesterday I did my first short-long trip from Louisville KY to Mason OH which is passed Cinncy. I charged my car to 80% with total range is 280, the total distamce was 97 Miles each way, mid 70 temp, 4 passenger. by the time I arrived doing 80-90 miles speed using full AC, using 0 regen on climb and level 3 on down grades. I still had 162 miles range, which I think is okay as I was using AC, music BUT I did not used any Automation in drive. no cruise becaouse I wanted to have a control how much power I am going to send and was tapping and tapping on climb, but I did not at all drove below 80. lol I had the plan to charge on EA as I had family with me and do not wanted to take any chances, but what the heck when I started back and by the time I reached back to main Cincy I had 140 range left and my distance was 97 miles. remember I was doing this for the first time and I had no help other than calling Kia roadside if something goes wrong. any way for me the best calculation was how much I used while coming ( it was close to 120 range and I still had 140) and long story short by the time I reached home, I still had 46 mile range, after some time I went for grocery shopping, wash the car and when I reached EA 15KWH charging station I still had 23 miles to go. lol. charge it back to 90%, took 41 minutes and cost was $18.17 @.44 per min. pretty good. Now based on my this trip and after watching your video, I gain tons of confidence and planning to drive to Chicago next week, which will be Louisville to Lafayette 180 miles, charge to 90 or 100% and then straight to Chicago. by the way you all know, by Law these charging station can not charge you for energy use, they can charge you per minute. I did not know that, until I just saw my receipt, which is .44 per minute*41Minute= 18.04 Ev9 is a great car and it has lot more feature compared to my MDX, Over all all I have spend like 60-70, Compares to MDX I would have 3 fills with each costing me $70 . Thanks again for posting.
It's being built in West point GA from late 2024 using sk innovation cells from commerce, and possibly also getting built in the all new hyundai metaplant in Savannah Georgia from 2025. So it should qualify for half or all the credit by then? I think Kia is switching to native nacs in 2025 to.
It'd be interesting to see a video of a gas vehicle and an EV reporting the same range being taken through some hills and windy scenarios to see how much it affects each vehicle.
That's the funny thing about the anti ev crowd. Americans drive less than 40 miles a day on average, but the antis all seem to commute 500 mies each way to work everyday...@@Ficon
EV’s don’t go as far, but they are much more efficient. So when you are going shorter distances which is most of the time you are better off. It’s those times when you are taking those long trips that they are at a disadvantage. That’s pretty rare for me though so I think an EV would suit me pretty well. My PHEV is more convenient when heading out of town, but I want to drive in EV mode all of the time because I enjoy it more.
Kia EV 9 is a very compelling EV, closest I have been tempted yet to switch from Tesla. I test drove an Ioniq 6, and a Mercedes EQE AMG, which were both compellling, but this EV 9 in the 305 mile range version is VERY tempting
LOL. Did you check the horsepower in your 305-mile range EV9? It has one rear motor with 215 HP with 7.7 seconds 0-60. In a modern EV, you are getting 7.7 seconds 0-60? Telluride with its underpowered V6 can do 0-60 in 7.0 seconds. LOL
@@izgoy-club if you care about your expensive tires that will have to replaced frequently from all that torque and weight, you won't care so much about 0-60...
$2.79 for Regular! We are still paying around $4.00 here in the NW/Oregon. Will be glad when I have an EV and can charge at home @ $0.13 per KW. The way i drive, I could probably get around 300-miles out of the KIA.
Hi Kyle, how does HDA2 compare with HDA1? Does it keep the ev9 even more centered in its lane on highway curves? What's the difference between the two HDAs? Also special request for an HDA2 review on Hogback! Thanks!
The slow acceleration at the end reminded me of when I decided to drain my Kona EV to its limits. It no joke took 1/2 mile to get up to 30mph from a dead stop on the homestretch. 😂 I live on a main road so I just put my flashers on and was apologizing to everyone in my head. 😅 The EV9 range is extremely impressive. It’s just slightly out of my price range otherwise I would definitely consider it.
Great test. In the real world even with gasoline, you never want to attempt this. My old bronco ll was an absolute gas hog! It would've never made it that far. That was a heavy truck. 😂
I take it Kyle in the US the EV9 doesn’t come with the Digital Grill lighting pattern? This makes the EV9 look stunning. I believe it is coming to Europe and UK early next year. Basically it’s hidden led’s in the actual front grill that appear of a night and have many different patterns that you will beable to purchase from kia. Also something I think unique is it has a speaker ability so the driver can talk to the row 3 passengers via the speaker system.
At the moment, I drive a Renault Zoe. It’s the best car I’ve ever driven and it’s been 99.999% reliable and is capable of doing the Broxbourne to Brighton trip when I go on holiday on a single charge.
@@bartwaggoner2000 Renault makes reliable small cars but bigger is another story ,i bought renault clio 1.5 DCI in 2003 ,that car i swear could heal it self ,it had totaly 0 problems for 10 year i drove it (200k km in 10 years) ,even if some problem appear would just go away by it self .I even fall in 2 river with it in winter ,whole engine was in ice oold water for hours .And after 2 days i started it and it worked with 0 flaws. So based on that i bought much bigger Renault Senic 1.9 DCI and it was totaly different expirence ,car even left me 2 times on the road which never happened me on any other car (and my first car was Yugo which in USA was worst car ever) . I still have that clio ,siting in backyards ,i did not want to sell it ,its amazingly reliably
@@izgoy-club Neither!! I had a Honda Jazz!! It was a good car, but no longer was meeting my requirements. There are too many bad things about petrol and diesel cars, one of which being the catalytic converter!! Thieves love them!!
I hope this range wil be enough in the near future for road trips, I still feel the longer range of Rivians or others is better than the faster charging speeds of the EV9. Since most chargers can't take advantage of it yet, and range between chargers in the US is still sparse in many areas.
I have an Ioniq 5 and can say for certain I would take the faster charging speed over range (above 250 miles). I did a 6500 mile roadtrip from Vancouver to Estes Park, going through remote areas like Yellowstone, Arches, etc... and the faster charging speed was used almost exclusively. Average charge time was like 20 minutes, and I would often arrive after other vehicles and leave before them. More charges need to be built for sure, especially in remote regions, but already you can take advantage of the faster charging!
Maybe its better there, but here the only chargers we have over 200kwh is really EA, but the 350s are load shared often and rarely even get up to 200. I've also seen that the Tesla magic docks cap at 150, at least with the Rivian. Its definitely the future, but I've really struggled to actually see good numbers worth the extra capability.
You raise a good question. In Europe, the charging curve is by far the most important factor. Hopefully this will be the case everywhere in the US very soon. There are a lot of fast chargers being built now. The Pilot/Flying J stations are just one example.
37:36 here the BMS reportged voltage is not the same as the chsrger. The voltage conversion happens at the traction inverter in the case of eGMP Hyundai. If this charger is a 500V one
I think you should run it the way a typical family would when testing range so people can get a better idea of what to expect if they were to get one. Hypermiling is a best case scenario which is not realistic.
This test is to establish some baseline information about the EV, which can't really be obtained any other way. To see how it does on a road trip, look for Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge videos. It's not exactly how a family would drive, but it does give a very useful comparison between cars taking all the relevant factors into consideration. In reality, the typical family with kids would charge for a longer time than necessary at each stop, and this would make charging speed and range a non issue.
We currently have ev9 in Korea. It's winter in Korea, so it's usually -5 degrees Celsius, but I could drive about 490km when I drove about 50:50 on the city. I hope it helps
It's not that hard to estimate. Look at the time of 24:10, when the car had 25% battery and 198 miles on the odometer. That means that with a more typical 10-85% charge scenario and a 70mph speed, you can get 190 miles of range out of this car.
After watching this entire video, I never learned how many MiLES the Cybertruck went. Only techy talk about miles per kw hr, etc. How far did it go from full to dead stop at 0??
Air density is a very significant factor. Testing at a mile high will give better range than those of us near sea level will get. Something I think you ought to mention when you do these tests. Good for cmparison between cars that you do all the testing on the same loop. How much do you think (in percent) would be lost if you were at ~ sea level?
I noticed 2.7 M/KwH on the cars trip info summary. How does this compare to other EVs you have made that same trip with? I notice you dont mention that M/Kwh number very often. I feel like its our best way to compare EV efficiency to ICE cars and mpg. What do you think and do you think those numbers on the trip summary are accurate? Im just about at one year of owning my EV6 and the long range summary says 3.7 M/Kwh.
I think it makes sense to range test 3 row EVs with more than 1 person or equivalent weight in it. In my experience EV range is more sensitive to weight, gradient etc compared to their gas counterparts
Kyle, the middle row captains seat on the rear side moves further forward than the one on the left side. I bet it will be the opposite in the RHD-models in 🇬🇧, 🇯🇵& 🇦🇺
No heat pump in any of the Light versions, including long range. No 2nd row bench seat in Light long range. I test drove and did not like the 2nd row Captains chairs. No NACS connector yet. Dealers are selling at MSRP. But financing is currently to high.$7,500 off Kia rebate for leases only. Wonder if you can disconnect front drive and get better range in dual motor versions or does the higher 283kw motor in the rear reduce mileage on the dual motor version? I think Kyle talked about trying not to use the front drive motor to increase mileage.
if wasn't for Kyle's expert EV driving skills the Kia would be out of juice miles before the charger site. Good Job for an exciting ev drive. Seems the Kia EV9 is pretty good for an 3 row top trim EV.
My sole concern with this vehicle is having child seats in the second row. In vehicles like the VW Atlas I can put child seats in both second row captain's chairs and when I pull the manual lever to flip the second row seat and access the third row the second row seat pivots forwards with the car seat still in (i.e. the backrest doesn't bend like the EV9 does). I wonder if having a car seat in there would still rock the seat forward.
What does “with all powers off” refer to? (Driver assist / AC etc?) We have over 1000mi so far on our LLR and are only averaging 250mi but that’s all in 75-80mph speed limit fwy zones which I know limits range unfortunately
@@anthemite3176 no heater ac radio anything just to see. I havnt traveled 346miles only see guesstimate on the dash. Still pretty cool. I owned Telluride, EV6GT now EV9 Light Longrange love it fast charging
I have the LLR too and have been mostly doing city driving so far. After my first charge, I got a guesstimate of 349 miles. I’m sure that will change soon after some traveling
Enjoyed the range review because of the NOT ideal conditions which is pretty much the real world in regional and outback Australia. They really need to change the name of that convenience store btw.
as someone that wants to replicate these tests on the other side of the pond, is there anything I'm missing: - 70mph for as long as possible - eco mode - 60-72f (15-22c) HVAC - smooth accel to 70mph - arrive back at the charger at 0% or near as damn it.
My Genesis was like this. On straight roads I could pretty much go forever hands-free, but once the car saw a curve coming up it would require a touch on the steering wheel.
I have no idea why Nhtsa hates Tesla. They got tagged with a 2 million car recall to make it more stringent than it was which is more stringent than anybody else.
I believe this car with NACS adapter or even native connector would be a wonderful vehicle. Being so large and returning almost the range of Tesla Model Y long range 70 mph range is impressive. Besides this is hands down better vehicle than Tesla.
When you talk about the climate control on the range tests it would be nice if your talk about if the car has a heat pump. Or have heat pumps become the standard in all new EVs? edit: See you mention it later in the video at 22:50 ish would still be nice to mention during the charge up. Kind of an overview of range effecting systems.
Sounds good. But what happens if you're going out a long trip after you waste that battery.... How long does it take to charge before you can do another 300 Miles. ?
I like the range tests, however one thing that is hard to test and isn't discussed in the battery longevity. We have some long term data for this for older EVs and most of the Teslas, but a lot of the concern for me with these other EVs is the pack degradation. I can trust Testla pretty well as they share their data and the lower range EVs (e.g., Leaf) because the loss of range has less effect/battery less expensive. Along these lines I think Tesla achieves this low degradation through engineered hardware/software pack management, some other do as well but you have to dig to figure that out. Keep on drainin. Cheers.
FWIW the Long range model has an overhead car image with 360 visual indicators in the form of color coded lines that so far are just as helpful as the camera images, at least for me as i rely on that feature to park in a relatively tight 2 car garage)
Only comment I have is about the tires. The Ion Evo aren’t EV adapted they are ground up EV specific tires. Not an adapted tire. Hankook has a whole line of Ion Evo tires from summer to winter and the all seasons.
Hey Kyle, How did you find the front headrests? They seem to stick out further than my Telluride, which I find very uncomfortable. Not sure why Kia does this...
@@Juuythljgrrdwq 🤡 The prices overlap enough that if you need a sleek modern 3-row and not a 7-year-old suppository that delivers 80% of advertised mileage, it’s a no-brainier.
@@Ficon where i live the STANDARD kia ev9 (basic one 99kwh) is 2x the price of a model y standard range… no fake news or MW3 zombies just facts. You should try to taste some
Is there a difference charging these 450-600V cars on a "400V" chargers vs an "800V"? The so called 400V chargers peak at 500V I believe? So what happens then?
Remind me never to lend Kyle my EV to range test.
Batteries are designed with a safety buffer for a reason. If you saw how safe the cells were below 0% and at shutdown, you'd never worry again
Sure same like 120 w chargers for phones it's 'safe' nothing to worry about :D
It's wear and tear, doing full discharges and fast charging to full@@austina4189
Totally fine unless you’re doing this everyday
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We have a 2022 Kia Sorento PHEV.
Kia makes ev range with low estimates. The Sorento has 32 miles EV OEM. I drive 80 miles on my daily commute, and 48 miles are in EV only. But it does recharge the battery in gas mode. Combined I'm getting 55 MPG❤
Seems to be the way to go! Best of both worlds.
@@jdbmotoit’s a nice car, but it’s dog slow and noisy.
I did over 25 miles after hitting 0% on my Ioniq 5. The E-GMP have huge buffers! I never even lost any power 😅
The problem is that this car is new and you dont really know how well balanced the bms is.
@@ichigo19870with what I know about how the E-GMP platform works You would have to go for quite a while before problems happen. Especially if you're going at lower speeds, I still wouldn't recommend because that massive buffer is there to help prevent the battery from degrading quickly both by keeping the battery in a state of charge range. That's healthy and by artificially increasing the percentage of the battery you have access to when it does degrade.
How fast do trucks go there? Here they're limited to 64mph!
What you drove below zero wasn’t even the buffer. The buffer is the unusable portion of the battery that the manufacturer has locked you out of.
@@MBergyman Even so, the OBD should see that portion
As another data point, we have just over 1,000 mi in our RWD Long Range model and are averaging 250mi of range on fwy with 75mph speed limits (averaging 73 usually on the fwy, using HDA2 to maintain speed limit or slow as needed with traffic etc). This is mostly in ideal temps (60s-70s).
On city streets and even mountain roads (slower speeds), we get closer to 300mi, but unfortunately most our driving is on freeway and with sub par charging availability we are arriving with only 13pct left at times…good to know we can squeeze out more range if needed but hopefully we don’t ever test near or at 0pct :)
Try Regen Level3 in Auto Mode to get maximize Range
I have the gt line and in 35 degree weather with mixed driving I’m getting 309 miles of range on full charge.
0:00: 🚗 Highway range test of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD 99.8kWh with 10% challenge and DC charging.
4:12: 🔋 Range and charging performance test of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD with 99.8kWh battery.
8:05: 🚗 Insights on battery break-in, storage, and voltage range in a new EV.
12:16: 🔌 Unusual charging behavior experienced during test drive of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD.
16:52: 🚗 Highway range test in a Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD with a 99.8kWh battery, cruising at 70 mph and crossing into Wyoming.
20:59: 🚗 Highway range test of Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD below 0% state of charge.
25:32: ⚡ Challenging situation driving an electric vehicle below 0% charge on a highway test.
30:00: 🚗 Kia EV9 GT-Line AWD 99.8kWh range test pushing below 0%
34:55: 🚗 High-speed test drive of a Kia EV9 with a large battery pack, pushing it to its limits and successfully recharging.
Recap by Tammy AI
The 100kwh pack is basically two standard range 55kwh ioniq 5 / ev6 pack paralleled together. They are the same voltage.
The ultimate battery test I've watched on UA-cam thus far 😱🙌
While not an “ideal range test” this is the real world test. The weather will never be perfect for those who own one to eek every mile out of the pack.
Nice range test for sure. You are correct that you would have run it similarly had you hit the turn around the exit before. The EV9 deserves every mile counted above 55MPH as Highway range test and recognition for every mile driven. 39:28
EV9 seems to rock! That’s a solid range figure.
"Take it
To the Limit
One more Time"
Out of Spec Style all the way!
Go Kyle!!!!!!!
The exact specs I would want in my EV9. Color choice is also spot on!
Love to see a manual preconditioning button! Absolutely the best way to do it.
I'm at 3k miles on my EV9, currently 2.5 mi/Kwh. Having a blast with it!
Which trim did you go for?
@@hotdognobun GT. I'm at 4.3k now and 3 mi/Kwh which is signs the battery is just breaking in and performing up to spec.
@@merodobsonso how did you get it so efficient?
@@GenieFarms efficiency average on mine is now 3 mi/kwh. I did nothing special. I home charge overnights on the provided cable and supercharge at stations as needed on road trips. Almost 8k total miles now!
@@merodobson how is the charging on road trips? And what is the max range you say that you get?
Wowsers! Such commitment to try maintain the integrity of the test! Great stuff! Look forward to your reflections once you have had time to recharge the Kia and yourself. All the best.
And this is why you guys are the best.
Wow that was a crazy test. It went so far when it was at 3%. That is a very good buffer below 0%.
would be interested to see how well it does in a year or two.
The live stream was so much fun.
so many questions answered, and HDA discussed (with no nagging!) nicely, thanks!
I was able to get 250 miles of range in the chilly rain with 6% left. Probably still had 40 miles left 😂
If you got 250 miles out of 94% of your battery you had at most 15 to 20 miles
@@stevenichols4639 He's including the large buffer below zero.
I have a feeling in a few years these will have taken over the roads. Honestly the base model seems like the one to get in my eyes though especially if its job most of the time is taking the family around town.
kids will feel like royalty with massaging captain's chairs in second row -- spoiling them?
I have a feeling in about 6 months you can buy one for 15 to 25% off MSRP because no one is actually buying them.
@@TedTed-xh1ys That would be really nice to see price of the EV9 go down 25%. Love how the Highway Driving Assist autopilot feature does not require the driver to touch the steering wheel. No nagging, more like Openpilot (and OP works well on Kia vehicles, so open source is even an option for engineers who get the EV9). Great new model, go Kia.
For me the middle trim is necessary for the heat pump alone, at least in Canada.
@@TedTed-xh1yspeople are buying them. Lots of them. See then on the roads here in UK.
Dammit, i missed the livestream for this one. This was a classic. Great EV, great UA-cam entertainment. I could have just listened to Kyle on a podcast for this one.
Suggestion... Brother, really love ur super detailed spec. Kindly put chapters to make ur viewer's viewing easy. Thank U.
What a trip! Nice job Kyle!!!
At 26:55 it looks like 6% left after 233.3 miles of an honest 70mph so 248 miles of range from 100-0.
The fact there is a huge buffer below 0% and if you drive slower than 70mph and even coast in neutral etc you can go way further than you might expect is interesting to know but can't be counted as part of actual customer expected 70mph range.
Still a good result for a big brick though, especially given the temperature!
I'd say around 260 with more ideal conditions. That's actually solid versus its range rating. Only problem is with cargo, passengers, all vents inside running, going 75, more extreme temps, and battery degredation, the range could fall closer to 220 miles. Still a decent figure given its capability and price. On par with a Model Y Long Range/Performance
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 I would like to see a test with 7-8 people on board since that is why people buy large 3 row SUV's, to fill them up and get a lot of utility out of them. In theory, that would be a cargo of 1,000-1,500 lbs. It will always be difficult to compare a 3 row ICE vehicle to an and EV due to how much more capable an ICE SUV is at hauling cargo, towing, etc. Not a diss on EV's, just a real world look at the capabilities of each.
Oh man. Stayed awake to 3.am to see what happened on the livestream. Epic run!
So what do we take this to mean? 250 miles of highway range? 265 miles? A real summary or at least more clear highlights of actual mileage driven at 70mph and real usable range would be helpful. Sometimes you guys focus on kwh on a miles driven test or miles driven on the 10% challenge test when time is really the issue there.
Damn, I am watchin and posting my expression today 09/03. I am an proud owner of Land Model with extra package and truly loves the car after 4 weeks of ownership. Yesterday I did my first short-long trip from Louisville KY to Mason OH which is passed Cinncy. I charged my car to 80% with total range is 280, the total distamce was 97 Miles each way, mid 70 temp, 4 passenger.
by the time I arrived doing 80-90 miles speed using full AC, using 0 regen on climb and level 3 on down grades. I still had 162 miles range, which I think is okay as I was using AC, music BUT I did not used any Automation in drive. no cruise becaouse I wanted to have a control how much power I am going to send and was tapping and tapping on climb, but I did not at all drove below 80. lol I had the plan to charge on EA as I had family with me and do not wanted to take any chances, but what the heck when I started back and by the time I reached back to main Cincy I had 140 range left and my distance was 97 miles. remember I was doing this for the first time and I had no help other than calling Kia roadside if something goes wrong. any way for me the best calculation was how much I used while coming ( it was close to 120 range and I still had 140) and long story short by the time I reached home, I still had 46 mile range, after some time I went for grocery shopping, wash the car and when I reached EA 15KWH charging station I still had 23 miles to go. lol. charge it back to 90%, took 41 minutes and cost was $18.17 @.44 per min. pretty good. Now based on my this trip and after watching your video, I gain tons of confidence and planning to drive to Chicago next week, which will be Louisville to Lafayette 180 miles, charge to 90 or 100% and then straight to Chicago. by the way you all know, by Law these charging station can not charge you for energy use, they can charge you per minute. I did not know that, until I just saw my receipt, which is .44 per minute*41Minute= 18.04
Ev9 is a great car and it has lot more feature compared to my MDX, Over all all I have spend like 60-70, Compares to MDX I would have 3 fills with each costing me $70 . Thanks again for posting.
This is plenty of range. This is an excellent EV. If only it could get the full tax credit.
It's being built in West point GA from late 2024 using sk innovation cells from commerce, and possibly also getting built in the all new hyundai metaplant in Savannah Georgia from 2025. So it should qualify for half or all the credit by then? I think Kia is switching to native nacs in 2025 to.
It’s excellent, as long as the government subsidizes it… in other words: a massive waste of resources.
Kia gives you the $7,500 credit if you lease.
@@cranburydad that is correct.
It’s not plenty of range. If you think 260 miles is plenty of range, you’ve never taken a long road trip in an EV.
It'd be interesting to see a video of a gas vehicle and an EV reporting the same range being taken through some hills and windy scenarios to see how much it affects each vehicle.
Would need to be a PHEV to have the same 250-ish miles. Or a hard-driven Mustang GT.
@@sktona Do you drive more than 250 miles a day? I drive 30 and plug in at home at night.
That's the funny thing about the anti ev crowd. Americans drive less than 40 miles a day on average, but the antis all seem to commute 500 mies each way to work everyday...@@Ficon
@@sktonayea I’d beg to differ and have been driving EVs up in Minnesota for 5+ years now. Frequently traveling long distances with temps below -20F.
EV’s don’t go as far, but they are much more efficient. So when you are going shorter distances which is most of the time you are better off. It’s those times when you are taking those long trips that they are at a disadvantage. That’s pretty rare for me though so I think an EV would suit me pretty well. My PHEV is more convenient when heading out of town, but I want to drive in EV mode all of the time because I enjoy it more.
I have the EV6 with almost 40k miles on it. Really impressed with Kia as the EV6 has been great. This car looks awesome!
What Kia did with this car is GENIUS! They made a minivan disguised as a crossover SzuV.
Kia rocks, the EV6 is a car of the Year candidate for sure.
Kia EV 9 is a very compelling EV, closest I have been tempted yet to switch from Tesla. I test drove an Ioniq 6, and a Mercedes EQE AMG, which were both compellling, but this EV 9 in the 305 mile range version is VERY tempting
LOL. Did you check the horsepower in your 305-mile range EV9? It has one rear motor with 215 HP with 7.7 seconds 0-60. In a modern EV, you are getting 7.7 seconds 0-60? Telluride with its underpowered V6 can do 0-60 in 7.0 seconds. LOL
@@izgoy-club if you care about your expensive tires that will have to replaced frequently from all that torque and weight, you won't care so much about 0-60...
And telluride it is not underpowered i hâve one
@@sdube1000it’s not underpowered because you own it? I see.
Shtats - you know you're the American Bjørn Nyland. This vehicle is awesome. Great video.
$2.79 for Regular! We are still paying around $4.00 here in the NW/Oregon. Will be glad when I have an EV and can charge at home @ $0.13 per KW.
The way i drive, I could probably get around 300-miles out of the KIA.
That's an expensive place here in CO. The new QT on i-25 and 119 is in to $2.09 to $2.19 range...
Hi Kyle, how does HDA2 compare with HDA1? Does it keep the ev9 even more centered in its lane on highway curves? What's the difference between the two HDAs?
Also special request for an HDA2 review on Hogback! Thanks!
The slow acceleration at the end reminded me of when I decided to drain my Kona EV to its limits. It no joke took 1/2 mile to get up to 30mph from a dead stop on the homestretch. 😂 I live on a main road so I just put my flashers on and was apologizing to everyone in my head. 😅 The EV9 range is extremely impressive. It’s just slightly out of my price range otherwise I would definitely consider it.
Your content is so helpful! Love hearing your thoughts and opinions on EV's, thanks!
For owners looking for a light offroader/overlander the EV9 might be a lower cost more efficient 36:48 Rivian R1S at 2.7 mi/kWh on a 40 degree.
I think it is fair to take advantage of the solar load from the glass roof for warmth, assuming you can close it as well.
Great test. In the real world even with gasoline, you never want to attempt this. My old bronco ll was an absolute gas hog! It would've never made it that far. That was a heavy truck. 😂
This is one of the reason why i swapped my tesla model 3 for EV9. Need more space for family and the amazing range is really impressive.
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I take it Kyle in the US the EV9 doesn’t come with the Digital Grill lighting pattern? This makes the EV9 look stunning. I believe it is coming to Europe and UK early next year. Basically it’s hidden led’s in the actual front grill that appear of a night and have many different patterns that you will beable to purchase from kia.
Also something I think unique is it has a speaker ability so the driver can talk to the row 3 passengers via the speaker system.
Yes it’s on the GT line…with lighting patterns that can be unlocked behind a subscription fee (no thanks:)
At the moment, I drive a Renault Zoe. It’s the best car I’ve ever driven and it’s been 99.999% reliable and is capable of doing the Broxbourne to Brighton trip when I go on holiday on a single charge.
Not enough people appreciate the utility of these relatively economical cars. The Leaf also has quite a loyal following.
A reliable French car - zut alors!
@@bartwaggoner2000 Renault makes reliable small cars but bigger is another story ,i bought renault clio 1.5 DCI in 2003 ,that car i swear could heal it self ,it had totaly 0 problems for 10 year i drove it (200k km in 10 years) ,even if some problem appear would just go away by it self .I even fall in 2 river with it in winter ,whole engine was in ice oold water for hours .And after 2 days i started it and it worked with 0 flaws.
So based on that i bought much bigger Renault Senic 1.9 DCI and it was totaly different expirence ,car even left me 2 times on the road which never happened me on any other car (and my first car was Yugo which in USA was worst car ever) .
I still have that clio ,siting in backyards ,i did not want to sell it ,its amazingly reliably
What did you drive before the Zoe? Trabant or Lada?
@@izgoy-club Neither!! I had a Honda Jazz!! It was a good car, but no longer was meeting my requirements. There are too many bad things about petrol and diesel cars, one of which being the catalytic converter!! Thieves love them!!
I had fun watching this, thanks for the great video
Would be cool to see a 10% challenge between the large and small packs someday.
I hope this range wil be enough in the near future for road trips, I still feel the longer range of Rivians or others is better than the faster charging speeds of the EV9. Since most chargers can't take advantage of it yet, and range between chargers in the US is still sparse in many areas.
I have an Ioniq 5 and can say for certain I would take the faster charging speed over range (above 250 miles).
I did a 6500 mile roadtrip from Vancouver to Estes Park, going through remote areas like Yellowstone, Arches, etc... and the faster charging speed was used almost exclusively. Average charge time was like 20 minutes, and I would often arrive after other vehicles and leave before them.
More charges need to be built for sure, especially in remote regions, but already you can take advantage of the faster charging!
Maybe its better there, but here the only chargers we have over 200kwh is really EA, but the 350s are load shared often and rarely even get up to 200. I've also seen that the Tesla magic docks cap at 150, at least with the Rivian. Its definitely the future, but I've really struggled to actually see good numbers worth the extra capability.
You raise a good question.
In Europe, the charging curve is by far the most important factor. Hopefully this will be the case everywhere in the US very soon.
There are a lot of fast chargers being built now. The Pilot/Flying J stations are just one example.
Awesome reaction at the end by Kyle! Talk about cutting it close!!! 😎💪
@37:41 ...and just 2 hrs and 20 minutes to charge (in the middle of a journey) is a very reasonable amount of time too!
This was so nail biting to watch coming down to the end,but the car is pretty nice.And reasonable for 60k.
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The best range test ever
Like watching a movie
That was an amazing test and I just happen to buy that exact vehicle in that exact color so I am happy that it did so well😊
37:36 here the BMS reportged voltage is not the same as the chsrger. The voltage conversion happens at the traction inverter in the case of eGMP Hyundai. If this charger is a 500V one
This charger is capable of matching pack voltage. I took it to the magic dock in the next video - stay tuned!!
@@KyleConneroh hell yeah
Thanks for posting. I was considering it.
I think you should run it the way a typical family would when testing range so people can get a better idea of what to expect if they were to get one. Hypermiling is a best case scenario which is not realistic.
This test is to establish some baseline information about the EV, which can't really be obtained any other way.
To see how it does on a road trip, look for Bjørn Nyland's 1,000 km Challenge videos. It's not exactly how a family would drive, but it does give a very useful comparison between cars taking all the relevant factors into consideration.
In reality, the typical family with kids would charge for a longer time than necessary at each stop, and this would make charging speed and range a non issue.
I agree. Not sure you can get much out of this. Real world testing would be better. No one would want to drive their EV the way he did on this test.
We currently have ev9 in Korea. It's winter in Korea, so it's usually -5 degrees Celsius, but I could drive about 490km when I drove about 50:50 on the city. I hope it helps
It's not that hard to estimate. Look at the time of 24:10, when the car had 25% battery and 198 miles on the odometer. That means that with a more typical 10-85% charge scenario and a 70mph speed, you can get 190 miles of range out of this car.
Land on ice green would be my choice. May trade in my Ioniq 5 for the extra seats and cargo room...
After watching this entire video, I never learned how many MiLES the Cybertruck went. Only techy talk about miles per kw hr, etc.
How far did it go from full to dead stop at 0??
You used the Car Scanner App. What OBD2 plug do you suggest using? I have a 2017 Fiat 500e.
Air density is a very significant factor. Testing at a mile high will give better range than those of us near sea level will get. Something I think you ought to mention when you do these tests. Good for cmparison between cars that you do all the testing on the same loop. How much do you think (in percent) would be lost if you were at ~ sea level?
A quick table check says density is 15% down. Given that highway losses are overwhelmingly aero, expect more than 10% range loss at sea level.
@@concinnus Just drive a little slower.
this is a sharp looking vehicle, my kind of car, thanks for the information
I noticed 2.7 M/KwH on the cars trip info summary. How does this compare to other EVs you have made that same trip with? I notice you dont mention that M/Kwh number very often. I feel like its our best way to compare EV efficiency to ICE cars and mpg. What do you think and do you think those numbers on the trip summary are accurate? Im just about at one year of owning my EV6 and the long range summary says 3.7 M/Kwh.
Please add KM celsius and so on and you will get viewers outside usa.
I think it makes sense to range test 3 row EVs with more than 1 person or equivalent weight in it. In my experience EV range is more sensitive to weight, gradient etc compared to their gas counterparts
Range testing with balls! To think someone accused Kyle of copying Bjorn on the livestream - I'll bet they thought differently towards the end! 🤣
Kyle, the middle row captains seat on the rear side moves further forward than the one on the left side.
I bet it will be the opposite in the RHD-models in 🇬🇧, 🇯🇵& 🇦🇺
Great test. It shows you what hoops you have to jump through. This is unrealistic not real life situation but great For the audience
Kyle please do some videos on the BMW iX3 M Sport!
I missed it. How far did he get on a full charge???
I love when Kyle trys to explain moving the goalposts 😂
it will be interesting how people will like this car compared to other ev.
Man I miss the big skies out west.
No heat pump in any of the Light versions, including long range. No 2nd row bench seat in Light long range. I test drove and did not like the 2nd row Captains chairs. No NACS connector yet. Dealers are selling at MSRP. But financing is currently to high.$7,500 off Kia rebate for leases only. Wonder if you can disconnect front drive and get better range in dual motor versions or does the higher 283kw motor in the rear reduce mileage on the dual motor version? I think Kyle talked about trying not to use the front drive motor to increase mileage.
This was a nail biter great video looking forward to 10% challenge
can you charge at Tesla super chargers?
if wasn't for Kyle's expert EV driving skills the Kia would be out of juice miles before the charger site. Good Job for an exciting ev drive. Seems the Kia EV9 is pretty good for an 3 row top trim EV.
Except we don't know how much battery it had remaining by the time they pulled up to the charger so how can you say that.
My sole concern with this vehicle is having child seats in the second row. In vehicles like the VW Atlas I can put child seats in both second row captain's chairs and when I pull the manual lever to flip the second row seat and access the third row the second row seat pivots forwards with the car seat still in (i.e. the backrest doesn't bend like the EV9 does). I wonder if having a car seat in there would still rock the seat forward.
Our 2022 EV6 Limited has been a great car.
Range avgs 265.
Im seeing 346 mile range on our Light Long Range with all powers off.
What does “with all powers off” refer to? (Driver assist / AC etc?)
We have over 1000mi so far on our LLR and are only averaging 250mi but that’s all in 75-80mph speed limit fwy zones which I know limits range unfortunately
@@anthemite3176 no heater ac radio anything just to see. I havnt traveled 346miles only see guesstimate on the dash. Still pretty cool. I owned
Telluride, EV6GT now EV9 Light Longrange love it fast charging
I have the LLR too and have been mostly doing city driving so far. After my first charge, I got a guesstimate of 349 miles. I’m sure that will change soon after some traveling
Im getting 265 @80% so far. @@anthemite3176
Enjoyed the range review because of the NOT ideal conditions which is pretty much the real world in regional and outback Australia. They really need to change the name of that convenience store btw.
as someone that wants to replicate these tests on the other side of the pond, is there anything I'm missing:
- 70mph for as long as possible
- eco mode
- 60-72f (15-22c) HVAC
- smooth accel to 70mph
- arrive back at the charger at 0% or near as damn it.
It's weird how the NHTSA has been pushing Tesla to require so much attention to the road when using autopilot yet this thing is like "do whatever idc"
My Genesis was like this. On straight roads I could pretty much go forever hands-free, but once the car saw a curve coming up it would require a touch on the steering wheel.
I have no idea why Nhtsa hates Tesla. They got tagged with a 2 million car recall to make it more stringent than it was which is more stringent than anybody else.
@@stevenichols4639 Our '21 MYLR phantom braked so hard and so often on I-70 from Colorado to Kansas City I couldn't use Autopilot.
I believe this car with NACS adapter or even native connector would be a wonderful vehicle. Being so large and returning almost the range of Tesla Model Y long range 70 mph range is impressive. Besides this is hands down better vehicle than Tesla.
When you talk about the climate control on the range tests it would be nice if your talk about if the car has a heat pump. Or have heat pumps become the standard in all new EVs?
edit: See you mention it later in the video at 22:50 ish would still be nice to mention during the charge up. Kind of an overview of range effecting systems.
i love kia/hyundai egmp. Though if you have 5-6 people with you plus some cargo, it may be a different result.
Sounds good. But what happens if you're going out a long trip after you waste that battery.... How long does it take to charge before you can do another 300 Miles. ?
I like the range tests, however one thing that is hard to test and isn't discussed in the battery longevity. We have some long term data for this for older EVs and most of the Teslas, but a lot of the concern for me with these other EVs is the pack degradation. I can trust Testla pretty well as they share their data and the lower range EVs (e.g., Leaf) because the loss of range has less effect/battery less expensive. Along these lines I think Tesla achieves this low degradation through engineered hardware/software pack management, some other do as well but you have to dig to figure that out. Keep on drainin. Cheers.
Don't forget those are all tesla numbers they release, they lie about range so they are probably lying about the degradation as well.
@@kanguin23 how so? Seems to be pretty accurate to all the anecdotal reports from high mileage teslas, mine included
Saw one of these at a supercharger in Memphis last week.
It is disappointing that a heat pump and 360 camera cannot be added to the long range trim.
FWIW the Long range model has an overhead car image with 360 visual indicators in the form of color coded lines that so far are just as helpful as the camera images, at least for me as i rely on that feature to park in a relatively tight 2 car garage)
@@anthemite3176 interesting. I didn't know this and I'd be using it for parking in a small garage as well. Thanks
That front is quite busy with those lights everywhere.
Kempower are the best chargers 🔌 I think 💭
Only comment I have is about the tires. The Ion Evo aren’t EV adapted they are ground up EV specific tires. Not an adapted tire. Hankook has a whole line of Ion Evo tires from summer to winter and the all seasons.
They are wide though. Why does a family SUV need 285s? I mean it's cool it does, but does it need them?
@@_shreyash_anand I don’t know I was just commenting on the tire itself not the size. I actually have these tires on my ID.4 and love them.
This looks great but I think I prefer the Fisker Ocean.
Hey Kyle, How did you find the front headrests? They seem to stick out further than my Telluride, which I find very uncomfortable. Not sure why Kia does this...
The EV9 absolutely obliterates the Model Y in every way. Tech, packaging, features, styling, automation, and yes it even gets advertised range.
Including price 🤣🤣🧨
@@Juuythljgrrdwq 🤡 The prices overlap enough that if you need a sleek modern 3-row and not a 7-year-old suppository that delivers 80% of advertised mileage, it’s a no-brainier.
@@Ficon the model y is for sure much better and half the price !
@@Juuythljgrrdwq 46 is half of 55. Typical Tesla zombie.
@@Ficon where i live the STANDARD kia ev9 (basic one 99kwh) is 2x the price of a model y standard range… no fake news or MW3 zombies just facts. You should try to taste some
Is there a difference charging these 450-600V cars on a "400V" chargers vs an "800V"? The so called 400V chargers peak at 500V I believe? So what happens then?
19:10, capacitive all way around? My friend has EV6 and says it is only at 2 and 10.
Really need evs that csn go over 400 miles otherwise its not worth it. Also cold weather is a huge factor on batteries.
I would want the 7-seater GT line with 20 inch wheels.