It's a really good time, considering dam roads, and kind of low temperatures, with big tires. Superb review Kris, LOVE this EV6 !! Greetings from Barcelona :)
Taking into account that the e-gmp cars currently coldgate, it is unknown if you would still have a warm battery at the second stop, giving you a max charging speed of 75kW. So, yes, the better strategy was one charging stop, at least in the winter. Maybe in the summer it would be different.
At 11:36 you can see the battery bar to the left still has the snowflake on it, showing that the battery heater is running - this runs until battery temp hits 20C and until this time cant achieve the advertised charging speeds. It seems to step up ~70 until 10C then ~120 until 15C then approx 170-ish at 20C and past 25C can hit the 230Kw so long as battery is below 80%. Agree there is still some work needed on Kias side to implement pre-heating so that you can trade off a bit of range for faster initial charging. Will be interesting to see how fast the car charges in the EU summer rather than winter. And at 12:00 the snowflake goes, the battery has hit 20C and the speed hits 197kw. Great review - thankyou!
I have First Edition ordered in US. Got a call from dealership stating February to May for delivery date. They say a more defined date will come when the VIN is assigned to the vehicle.
Hi Kris, I've asked some owners to check and putting it into Snow Mode does NOT heat the battery, it just forces it into using both motors all the time. Just thought you'd like to know 🙂
Whie i can't say how well if at all preheat of the battery works in this, however any reasonable software design would have prevented spending energy on battery preheating when the SOC goes into extremely low range in order to minimize the risk of stopping on the highway.
Chris ..did you like NOKiA? I Kind of Miss them…reborn on Tires? I wish all the Test Would be on the best tires for efficency. So 19“ would Marke a differentere
Thank you for your test drive with the EV6. Chris from Car Maniac made a video about his coldgating Ioiniq 5 and he received a letter from Hyundai the are working on it. In the first half year they will implement pre-heating the battery if you navigate to a fastcharger. I expect/hope Kia will follow as well. So next winter no more coldgating? I also noticed the camera view was very dirty. Doe the rear camera get dirty easily. I was afraid of that. On my current e-Niro I have the camwipe to solve this, but no solution for the EV6. BTW: why don't you use an OBD2 with Car Scanner like Bjorn to determine whether battery is heated in snow mode or not?
Although it seems like the EV6 doesn't preheat battery I think in this case it shouldn't have either, as it was 0% before reaching the charginstation. So if it would have spent energy on heating the battery it wouldnt have reached the station at all.... So here it was a win I think!
Had a terrible experience with eCS myself. Couldn't get out of an auto-renewed account that I had cancelled. Poor experience and actually makes me think twice about the next EV, was hoping to get another etron.
I really like your videos. The fact that Kia‘s don’t automatically preheat the battery when you go to a 350kW charger hurts them. Same test in Summer would had cut some 20 minutes of your Time.
I think the lack of battery preheat on the go in a car being sold as a fast charging car is nonsense. A great car being sold short because of a software limitation. Hope Kia are listening and can get their act together. Unnecessary charging hanging about while the battery warms up after the heat scavenging system has deliberately chilled it to keep the cabin warm. Makes no sense.
I just watched another review done by R Symon (RSV) in the UK. He mentions the heat pump on the EV6 is optional. With it fitted, it charges damn fast on cold days.
Agree. What were KIA thinking? They must have experienced this during testing. Makes me wonder if they will be able to fix it just like that.. 🤔The time here is not bad at all. However, it was not very cold either. 7 degrees Celsius actually seems pretty optimal for this car. Would be interesting if it was -7 or -17, which is not unlikely at all at these latitudes, driving home for Christmas. Idea for a new video, @Kris Rifa? What about the Folldal loop next week? 🙂 And it doesn’t stop there. If it was 27 degrees Celsius, which is often the case in summer, it would probably rapid gate charging from 0-90%..
@@stevemulroy1417 looks to me rsymons said in the cold it charged way slower than in warm conditions. Nearly half as fast. Is there a second charge video than the one with 3 other cars in the same Test? Relative to the other cars it was ok but still serious cold gate.
@@omelvold The time was way longer than that headline 18 minutes because the battery had been cooled to heat the cabin h(heat scavenging with that heat pump). Given no preheat the car just charges way below its fastest as in warm weather conditions as the graph shows. At 27 C and 90% it probably would be ok as it actually has some time to cool down again from 70 to 90%. Yes it may bounce about a lot if the battery got to 50C plus as it does but at least it probably would have most of its power avail after charging to 90%. The lower charge rate above 70%SOC actually allow some cooling recovery. Cut the charge off at peak temperature say 70% and it might well be motor limited due to temperature. Kias temperature limits are well lower than Tesla's however. M3 get to60 C, the EV6 seems to get to about 54C which is less of a concern for battery health. Kia seems to be conservative with temperature but hasn't got its head around preheating the battery. Hope this all makes sense but I think I now understand this car pretty well. cheers I put a graph up on the EV6 forum for charging curves.
Hi! Like your Chanel. Just a feedback that would do it even better. Slow down your talking speed 😅 sometimes it just sounds like a machinegun 😉 Keep up the good work! And try to get hold of a ix4 😊
Oh, others can f**k up chargers too :D I recently had a Shell 350Kw CCS / 100Kw Chademo charger take a Nissan Leaf E+ hostage for 1:40h. I didn't have a tag, so I used the app. Stopped there with 20% and wanted to just top up a bit, reached 50% 15 minutes later and wanted to disconnect. But there was just no way for me to identify. It said charger is offline. The hotline tried to shut it down remotely, but since the charger was offline...well. I think it's really dangerous that something like this can happen. What if there is a fire? There needs to be a law that requires chargers to have an emergency shutoff button I think. But anyway, this was a supremely bad experience as well.
In normal mode, the front motor is disconnected until you demand maximum acceleration. In eco mode, it never uses the front motor. In sport mode the front motor is always on.
These Koreans should have designed for better aerodynamics, and they really would have swept the floor with the competition (except perhaps Tesla). With a Cd of 0,29 they're much less efficient at highway speed than some of the other cars out there like the Enyaq and the Tesla's. Still, on a recent trip with the Ioniq 5, I was happily surprised that at 120 km/h the consumption was around 220 and at 100 km/h it was more like 180. Pretty good for hilly terrain and wet roads, low temperatures (4-6°C). I also did get the full charging power after several stops. But man, with a 20% lower drag, that consumption would have been more like 200 and 160 respectively...
Coefficient of drag (Cd) is just one variable in drag efficiency. You need the frontal area in order to calculate drag efficiency (CdA). There is a reason manufactures never tell us the CdA. Teslas have super low Cd, but at the same time, the bodywork doesn't have any details in it, quite boring if you ask me.
Recently sold my EV6, pretty poor quality interior, parts shortages (6-12 months for some lol) sound system is terrible, Kia Finance is shocking and expensive, range at 70 mph isnt bad, but more like 250 real worl miles, took my £4k deposit back and sold it. The EV6 and Ioiniq 5 are really platicy inside and out in my opinion Ioiniq 5 is worse offender, everytime I see one it just looks like plastic.
It would be good to show less your face / head and more what you are doing with your hands, or whats happening on your phone or on the charged display. But still, nice video, thanks a lot.
It's a really good time, considering dam roads, and kind of low temperatures, with big tires. Superb review Kris, LOVE this EV6 !!
Greetings from Barcelona :)
Taking into account that the e-gmp cars currently coldgate, it is unknown if you would still have a warm battery at the second stop, giving you a max charging speed of 75kW. So, yes, the better strategy was one charging stop, at least in the winter. Maybe in the summer it would be different.
At 11:36 you can see the battery bar to the left still has the snowflake on it, showing that the battery heater is running - this runs until battery temp hits 20C and until this time cant achieve the advertised charging speeds.
It seems to step up ~70 until 10C then ~120 until 15C then approx 170-ish at 20C and past 25C can hit the 230Kw so long as battery is below 80%. Agree there is still some work needed on Kias side to implement pre-heating so that you can trade off a bit of range for faster initial charging. Will be interesting to see how fast the car charges in the EU summer rather than winter.
And at 12:00 the snowflake goes, the battery has hit 20C and the speed hits 197kw.
Great review - thankyou!
I have First Edition ordered in US. Got a call from dealership stating February to May for delivery date. They say a more defined date will come when the VIN is assigned to the vehicle.
Very good test. Better than TeslaBjørn even. I like that you don't subtract minutes because of some minor traffic or delays 👋👋 Merry Christmas 🎅🎅
Great result for the EV6! Like the car,!
Hi Kris, I've asked some owners to check and putting it into Snow Mode does NOT heat the battery, it just forces it into using both motors all the time. Just thought you'd like to know 🙂
The EV6 its coldgating. Happend every time in livestreaming with Bjørn. This can be fix by update, like Ionic 5 will do now 😊
Whie i can't say how well if at all preheat of the battery works in this, however any reasonable software design would have prevented spending energy on battery preheating when the SOC goes into extremely low range in order to minimize the risk of stopping on the highway.
Chris ..did you like NOKiA? I Kind of Miss them…reborn on Tires?
I wish all the Test Would be on the best tires for efficency. So 19“ would Marke a differentere
I suspect yhe 18 min is based on 250 the entire 18 minutes, which not sure how often you get that speed for a full 18 minutes.
It's interesting that your charging strategy is just to run it till the last bit of juice in the battery. What is the reasoning behind that?
Low voltage high amps=heat. Discharging battery make heat. Just my thoughts💁🏼♂️ My Tesla takes best peak Charge when i drain battery to near zero..
Would be nice if there was a link to your whole chart.
It is a trick for you to rewatch the vids and generate more clicks. 😉
@@abraxastulammo9940 Often only a small protion of the spreadsheet is visable.
Thank you for your test drive with the EV6. Chris from Car Maniac made a video about his coldgating Ioiniq 5 and he received a letter from Hyundai the are working on it. In the first half year they will implement pre-heating the battery if you navigate to a fastcharger. I expect/hope Kia will follow as well. So next winter no more coldgating?
I also noticed the camera view was very dirty. Doe the rear camera get dirty easily. I was afraid of that. On my current e-Niro I have the camwipe to solve this, but no solution for the EV6.
BTW: why don't you use an OBD2 with Car Scanner like Bjorn to determine whether battery is heated in snow mode or not?
Although it seems like the EV6 doesn't preheat battery I think in this case it shouldn't have either, as it was 0% before reaching the charginstation. So if it would have spent energy on heating the battery it wouldnt have reached the station at all....
So here it was a win I think!
Had a terrible experience with eCS myself. Couldn't get out of an auto-renewed account that I had cancelled. Poor experience and actually makes me think twice about the next EV, was hoping to get another etron.
I really like your videos. The fact that Kia‘s don’t automatically preheat the battery when you go to a 350kW charger hurts them. Same test in Summer would had cut some 20 minutes of your Time.
Why do you not use Elton app? Then it cost 5 NOK pr kWh, you charge and pay in the app.
I think the lack of battery preheat on the go in a car being sold as a fast charging car is nonsense. A great car being sold short because of a software limitation. Hope Kia are listening and can get their act together. Unnecessary charging hanging about while the battery warms up after the heat scavenging system has deliberately chilled it to keep the cabin warm. Makes no sense.
I just watched another review done by R Symon (RSV) in the UK. He mentions the heat pump on the EV6 is optional. With it fitted, it charges damn fast on cold days.
Agree. What were KIA thinking? They must have experienced this during testing. Makes me wonder if they will be able to fix it just like that.. 🤔The time here is not bad at all. However, it was not very cold either. 7 degrees Celsius actually seems pretty optimal for this car. Would be interesting if it was -7 or -17, which is not unlikely at all at these latitudes, driving home for Christmas. Idea for a new video, @Kris Rifa? What about the Folldal loop next week? 🙂 And it doesn’t stop there. If it was 27 degrees Celsius, which is often the case in summer, it would probably rapid gate charging from 0-90%..
@@stevemulroy1417 will check it out.
@@stevemulroy1417 looks to me rsymons said in the cold it charged way slower than in warm conditions. Nearly half as fast. Is there a second charge video than the one with 3 other cars in the same Test? Relative to the other cars it was ok but still serious cold gate.
@@omelvold The time was way longer than that headline 18 minutes because the battery had been cooled to heat the cabin h(heat scavenging with that heat pump). Given no preheat the car just charges way below its fastest as in warm weather conditions as the graph shows. At 27 C and 90% it probably would be ok as it actually has some time to cool down again from 70 to 90%. Yes it may bounce about a lot if the battery got to 50C plus as it does but at least it probably would have most of its power avail after charging to 90%. The lower charge rate above 70%SOC actually allow some cooling recovery. Cut the charge off at peak temperature say 70% and it might well be motor limited due to temperature. Kias temperature limits are well lower than Tesla's however. M3 get to60 C, the EV6 seems to get to about 54C which is less of a concern for battery health. Kia seems to be conservative with temperature but hasn't got its head around preheating the battery. Hope this all makes sense but I think I now understand this car pretty well. cheers I put a graph up on the EV6 forum for charging curves.
Can this car charge on V3 Supercharger?
Hi! Like your Chanel. Just a feedback that would do it even better. Slow down your talking speed 😅 sometimes it just sounds like a machinegun 😉 Keep up the good work! And try to get hold of a ix4 😊
"40 ore per kwh, insane expensive"
As Italian: woah, what a good price
🤣
8.4nok is about 0.9€
Oh, others can f**k up chargers too :D I recently had a Shell 350Kw CCS / 100Kw Chademo charger take a Nissan Leaf E+ hostage for 1:40h. I didn't have a tag, so I used the app. Stopped there with 20% and wanted to just top up a bit, reached 50% 15 minutes later and wanted to disconnect. But there was just no way for me to identify. It said charger is offline. The hotline tried to shut it down remotely, but since the charger was offline...well. I think it's really dangerous that something like this can happen. What if there is a fire? There needs to be a law that requires chargers to have an emergency shutoff button I think. But anyway, this was a supremely bad experience as well.
Battery is to cold. It charging slow until battery reaches 15 c than when it reach 22c then it go to 200 kw
Can you put the car in 2 wiel drive instead of AWD?
Can you take AWD off?
In normal mode, the front motor is disconnected until you demand maximum acceleration. In eco mode, it never uses the front motor. In sport mode the front motor is always on.
@@patrickrea6574 thanks for explaining
@@patrickrea6574 in eco mode sometimes the front motor activates in rwd you win 10-20km but in awd you lose those kms
@@playgames-vl2rr only in snow mode
When will you test the new Volvo C40?
please share your data spreadsheet..
I Kris, thinking on reviewing Bmw's iX3?
Perhaps I missed it but how big where the wheels on this one? 20" or 19"?
20» wheels 😊 it’s all in the chart at the end of the video 😊
@@KrisRifa Hahaha...sorry....I saw it now...:-)
Hello from Paris!
Bonjour!
These Koreans should have designed for better aerodynamics, and they really would have swept the floor with the competition (except perhaps Tesla). With a Cd of 0,29 they're much less efficient at highway speed than some of the other cars out there like the Enyaq and the Tesla's. Still, on a recent trip with the Ioniq 5, I was happily surprised that at 120 km/h the consumption was around 220 and at 100 km/h it was more like 180. Pretty good for hilly terrain and wet roads, low temperatures (4-6°C). I also did get the full charging power after several stops. But man, with a 20% lower drag, that consumption would have been more like 200 and 160 respectively...
Coefficient of drag (Cd) is just one variable in drag efficiency. You need the frontal area in order to calculate drag efficiency (CdA). There is a reason manufactures never tell us the CdA. Teslas have super low Cd, but at the same time, the bodywork doesn't have any details in it, quite boring if you ask me.
Wow your reverse camera is so dirty, probably from the snow and mud
13:29 Volvo C40 Recharge 🇸🇪👍
Yes!
Recently sold my EV6, pretty poor quality interior, parts shortages (6-12 months for some lol) sound system is terrible, Kia Finance is shocking and expensive, range at 70 mph isnt bad, but more like 250 real worl miles, took my £4k deposit back and sold it. The EV6 and Ioiniq 5 are really platicy inside and out in my opinion Ioiniq 5 is worse offender, everytime I see one it just looks like plastic.
It would be good to show less your face / head and more what you are doing with your hands, or whats happening on your phone or on the charged display.
But still, nice video, thanks a lot.