Ok so one thing to note at the end, the game does not count overflow damage towards the end damage summary, what that means is if you do just 1 total eclipse on 1 enemy with 50 health, even if the number shows 1000 damage the damage for total eclipse at the end will only be 50. Since blitz hits after everything else the numbers on blitz will look somewhat worse, but if you look at it as finishing enemies off quicker since attack+special is one motion anyways, blitz is still quite good
So, I theory crafted a build for this aspect combining Demeter and Hephaestus. Demeter special and Hephaestus attack, using Demeter to freeze and then Hephaestus to reset the freeze using their duo boon. If you pom Hephaestus then it might become kind of wild, but it is effectively an infinite freeze build (in theory) since Hephaestus resets the cooldown of being frozen
i tried this and unfortunately the duo doesn’t just reset the re-freeze timer, it unfreezes currently frozen enemies, if you have a maxed hephaestus attack it makes it really hard to actually keep enemies frozen because they just keep being unfrozen. demeter attack and hephaestus special might be good if they reduce the cooldown on the hephaestus special in the next update so it reapplies freeze as soon as the freeze is cleared.
@@hendiniupdate: i just tested a heph special + dem attack build and unfortunately that doesn’t work either. it seems the blast from hephaestus has enough of a delay that the freeze effect still triggers first and is immediately cleared by the blast.
@@wrenclements1865 what if you don’t always use the Heph stuff but always use the Demeter stuff. So you wait for the Demeter freeze to go off and then use heph… it’s lower damage, yeah, but perma freeze
Some aspect are very heavily inspired by old aspects, Medea being Beowulf, Melenoe new axe aspect being a mini Arthur, Pan aspect is Chiron but instead of hitting the enemy you get him inside your cast, old Momus being similar to Zag Spear. If we never get to play as Zag let us at least use some weapons that are kinda similar to his
Possessed Hammer was also really nice with the old Persephone aspect. You charge the Glory with your attacks and when you omega special through the enemies you pick up the skulls. Especially with Hera on the special
tried the same loadout but with static shock, and I was shocked how much damage it does. usually static shock is never more that 10% of all the damage, but with skull it was the second second biggest source of damage after attack, even more than blitz. both blitz and static shock where rare, and I pommed blitz couple of times.
Possessed array was already quite good imo on medea and was part of my first 32 fear clear. Didn't realize it got buffed to remove the delay. Will make it feel a bit better without having the +2 shell hammer, which mainly was just a convenience hammer that made the delay less annoying when clearing standard rooms and you'd prefer something else anyway.
Day 2 of asking for this super niche build: I'm a long-time lurker and fan and I just got this sweet build after several tries. It centers around Poseidon cast with the dark side hex and the Momus aspect. There's a path of stars upgrade for dark side that allows your normal cast to be treated as your omega cast. With Poseidon cast this means your normal cast detonates instantly, allowing you to cast again. Basically it just chains Poseidon cast damage over and over while taking no damage. Where this gets craaaazy is with new Momus. While normally I've noticed Momus only allows for one of the red orbs that repeat the omega move per type of omega move (one for cast, attack, and special), while dark side is active, there is no limit to the number of repeating casts. So basically repeating geyser nuke. Would love if you could make a video on it!! Some of the most insane damage I've done.
Why would Aphrodite attack be bad? Highest +% possible, and on some aspects poseidon duo boon applies the +% damage no matter the distance. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but Blitz disappears as soon as you deal 120 damage, giving origination for only first of the 3 shells, if you load all shells at once (especially great with "quick loading" hammer). It may be fine for a 1 shell at a time playstyle, but 5 shells + quick loading + apollo double attack + aphrodite attack (+200% damage) melts enemies. I prefer appliying origination with a cast anyway for bonus +30% damage and cos demeter(cyclone, not frozen)/aphrodite are great for crowd/projectile control. Since you want to be close to enemies with Medea anyway, cast-in-place is fine before Hades cast throw.
@13:14 You could have taken the chaos gate, it adds a room to the biome in this situation similarly to Hades 1 (so you get the shop afterwards anyway). Happened to me a few times (Unless Chaos is not worth the few sec loss to take:P)
Yeah I’m pretty sure speed runners don’t take it because of the time loss. usually they only take chaos gates because it counts as the next room, making the overall region shorter. This is especially helpful in fields, which is why they rolled for the ixion before fields
Glad you love this aspect too, easily my favourite in the game and very strong too considering I managed to clear Fear 50 with it. It's currently both at the top for fear clears and speedrunning so Medea fans simply stay winning lol. Good vid
@@malikhittam1440 Don't feel down at all! 32F on anything is a big accomplishment everything above is just for people like me who has masochistic tendencies lol
@Foolish_S0 thanks for the encouragement lol. I might try pushing high fear at some point myself because I'm having a ton of fun with the game and I really like watching people do those crazy difficult runs. It would be cool to get good enough to do that myself some day
I was already taking Posessed Array. It was pretty good already before the patch (free omega attack as well). The delay could be bypassed with the Sorceress arcana. Not vs Chronos obviously but it turned out to matter way less than i expected. It might be the best magic-free build now. Mel Aspect, Exceptional Talent, Weed Killer, Keen Intuition, Bolstered Array.
you should be able to toggle off awakening archana, or give them a alternate effect, like mabey alternate centaur gives +5% damage and +5% channel speed every 5 rooms
how did you "de-unlock" the 0 arcana card in the middle? Like usually if you have a card unlocked, it will still have the colour but it wont be activated, here it looks like you didnt unlock it at all. maybe you changed something in the save file?
Hey Hae, just as it's a little quick, in what order are you pumping out your attacks and specials with Medea? Mashing them together, or does one ideally go before the other? Thanks bud!
Very new to these Hades runs - I always assumed the death at the start was just merely coincidental, to show this as being in a sequence of runs. What does it mean for a run to be "unseeded", and how would one seed a run if they wanted to do so?
Hitting Give Up from the main menu just rewinds time to just before you started the run, so if you start another, you can* be offered the same things and thus know what's in every single room. To prevent this, a death is shown which randomizes the next run seed. *It's very difficult and time consuming to "map" out a seed to force the same chambers/rewards every time but it is possible.
im curious why you wouldidnt take some HP hearts to a degree or some ways of boosting hp. Thus pushing 30 HP into your >30% HP strength arcana ratio. Allowing you to always have 50% dmg & 50% dmg reduction while being at 30hp for white antler. Sure its annoying when you get fountains to force yourself to get hit. But whats the point of the Strength arcana if its when you only have 9hp or lower?
i think it's mostly for the speedrunning aspect, in a normal run this would be fine but he was trying to clear the run ASAP and taking the time to get hit would be too long.
Is that a different savefile, where you just haven't unlocked "The Centaur" yet or is there a way to specifically lock certain arcana cards again? I just can't find an option for it >-
Ok so one thing to note at the end, the game does not count overflow damage towards the end damage summary, what that means is if you do just 1 total eclipse on 1 enemy with 50 health, even if the number shows 1000 damage the damage for total eclipse at the end will only be 50. Since blitz hits after everything else the numbers on blitz will look somewhat worse, but if you look at it as finishing enemies off quicker since attack+special is one motion anyways, blitz is still quite good
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So, I theory crafted a build for this aspect combining Demeter and Hephaestus. Demeter special and Hephaestus attack, using Demeter to freeze and then Hephaestus to reset the freeze using their duo boon. If you pom Hephaestus then it might become kind of wild, but it is effectively an infinite freeze build (in theory) since Hephaestus resets the cooldown of being frozen
i tried this and unfortunately the duo doesn’t just reset the re-freeze timer, it unfreezes currently frozen enemies, if you have a maxed hephaestus attack it makes it really hard to actually keep enemies frozen because they just keep being unfrozen. demeter attack and hephaestus special might be good if they reduce the cooldown on the hephaestus special in the next update so it reapplies freeze as soon as the freeze is cleared.
@@wrenclements1865 then I guess you have to not use the attack sometimes to make it work… lower DPS but, might be decent.
@@hendiniupdate: i just tested a heph special + dem attack build and unfortunately that doesn’t work either. it seems the blast from hephaestus has enough of a delay that the freeze effect still triggers first and is immediately cleared by the blast.
@@wrenclements1865 what if you don’t always use the Heph stuff but always use the Demeter stuff. So you wait for the Demeter freeze to go off and then use heph… it’s lower damage, yeah, but perma freeze
i knew haelian was gonna love the medea aspect. i cannot wait to see what the legendary aspects are like
I just realized that Medea feels very similar to Beowulf with the loading and then dashing to do damage.
I think it was intentional ! Closest thing to a cast weapon in this game
Some aspect are very heavily inspired by old aspects, Medea being Beowulf, Melenoe new axe aspect being a mini Arthur, Pan aspect is Chiron but instead of hitting the enemy you get him inside your cast, old Momus being similar to Zag Spear. If we never get to play as Zag let us at least use some weapons that are kinda similar to his
Possessed Hammer was also really nice with the old Persephone aspect. You charge the Glory with your attacks and when you omega special through the enemies you pick up the skulls.
Especially with Hera on the special
tried the same loadout but with static shock, and I was shocked how much damage it does. usually static shock is never more that 10% of all the damage, but with skull it was the second second biggest source of damage after attack, even more than blitz. both blitz and static shock where rare, and I pommed blitz couple of times.
Possessed array was already quite good imo on medea and was part of my first 32 fear clear. Didn't realize it got buffed to remove the delay. Will make it feel a bit better without having the +2 shell hammer, which mainly was just a convenience hammer that made the delay less annoying when clearing standard rooms and you'd prefer something else anyway.
Day 2 of asking for this super niche build:
I'm a long-time lurker and fan and I just got this sweet build after several tries. It centers around Poseidon cast with the dark side hex and the Momus aspect. There's a path of stars upgrade for dark side that allows your normal cast to be treated as your omega cast. With Poseidon cast this means your normal cast detonates instantly, allowing you to cast again. Basically it just chains Poseidon cast damage over and over while taking no damage. Where this gets craaaazy is with new Momus. While normally I've noticed Momus only allows for one of the red orbs that repeat the omega move per type of omega move (one for cast, attack, and special), while dark side is active, there is no limit to the number of repeating casts. So basically repeating geyser nuke. Would love if you could make a video on it!! Some of the most insane damage I've done.
Why would Aphrodite attack be bad? Highest +% possible, and on some aspects poseidon duo boon applies the +% damage no matter the distance.
And, correct me if I'm wrong, but Blitz disappears as soon as you deal 120 damage, giving origination for only first of the 3 shells, if you load all shells at once (especially great with "quick loading" hammer).
It may be fine for a 1 shell at a time playstyle, but 5 shells + quick loading + apollo double attack + aphrodite attack (+200% damage) melts enemies.
I prefer appliying origination with a cast anyway for bonus +30% damage and cos demeter(cyclone, not frozen)/aphrodite are great for crowd/projectile control. Since you want to be close to enemies with Medea anyway, cast-in-place is fine before Hades cast throw.
@13:14 You could have taken the chaos gate, it adds a room to the biome in this situation similarly to Hades 1 (so you get the shop afterwards anyway). Happened to me a few times (Unless Chaos is not worth the few sec loss to take:P)
Yeah I’m pretty sure speed runners don’t take it because of the time loss. usually they only take chaos gates because it counts as the next room, making the overall region shorter. This is especially helpful in fields, which is why they rolled for the ixion before fields
It's a speedrun. But did you know the frog can block the sheep hex?
@@Haelian No way. You’re messing with me, you have to be
Glad you love this aspect too, easily my favourite in the game and very strong too considering I managed to clear Fear 50 with it. It's currently both at the top for fear clears and speedrunning so Medea fans simply stay winning lol. Good vid
50 fear?! Damn. And here I was feeling good about limping through 32 fear with old momus lol
@@malikhittam1440 Don't feel down at all! 32F on anything is a big accomplishment everything above is just for people like me who has masochistic tendencies lol
@Foolish_S0 thanks for the encouragement lol. I might try pushing high fear at some point myself because I'm having a ton of fun with the game and I really like watching people do those crazy difficult runs. It would be cool to get good enough to do that myself some day
I was already taking Posessed Array. It was pretty good already before the patch (free omega attack as well). The delay could be bypassed with the Sorceress arcana. Not vs Chronos obviously but it turned out to matter way less than i expected.
It might be the best magic-free build now. Mel Aspect, Exceptional Talent, Weed Killer, Keen Intuition, Bolstered Array.
I like this aspect, because pretty much any run you'll use both the special and and attack, which isn't the case for most aspects.
Looming ignition with medea its so fun
You can move a lot faster with the sheep by mashing attack special and dash. I think sheep has a dash strike that allows you to move faster
Aspect of Medea is the Ullapool Caber.
you should be able to toggle off awakening archana, or give them a alternate effect, like mabey alternate centaur gives +5% damage and +5% channel speed every 5 rooms
When I get turned into a sheep instead of dodging, I constantly attack to faster get around the map, and when I really need to abovoid a hit, I dodge.
I absolutely love this aspect. It's super fun to use now :)
You missing the fields ix was so funny lol
*clears throat*
how did you "de-unlock" the 0 arcana card in the middle? Like usually if you have a card unlocked, it will still have the colour but it wont be activated, here it looks like you didnt unlock it at all. maybe you changed something in the save file?
He downloaded a speedrunning save file. You can’t lock something you have unlocked
@@aerinclouds got it. Thank you
The speedrun save file never unlocked the card.
as a sheep if you dash then attack, you get two little skips that goes a lot further.
Hey Hae, just as it's a little quick, in what order are you pumping out your attacks and specials with Medea? Mashing them together, or does one ideally go before the other? Thanks bud!
Mashing them together doesn't really work, loading the attack isn't instant so you kinda have to spend a second to load it.
@@Haelian Got it, thanks bud! Loving all the new Hades content, dog bless
Just my face when he didnt get the chaos that he tried so hard for 😂😂
Anyone knows why a 5th god was offered on Charon's shop in the Mourning Fields?
Very new to these Hades runs - I always assumed the death at the start was just merely coincidental, to show this as being in a sequence of runs. What does it mean for a run to be "unseeded", and how would one seed a run if they wanted to do so?
Hitting Give Up from the main menu just rewinds time to just before you started the run, so if you start another, you can* be offered the same things and thus know what's in every single room. To prevent this, a death is shown which randomizes the next run seed.
*It's very difficult and time consuming to "map" out a seed to force the same chambers/rewards every time but it is possible.
im curious why you wouldidnt take some HP hearts to a degree or some ways of boosting hp. Thus pushing 30 HP into your >30% HP strength arcana ratio. Allowing you to always have 50% dmg & 50% dmg reduction while being at 30hp for white antler. Sure its annoying when you get fountains to force yourself to get hit. But whats the point of the Strength arcana if its when you only have 9hp or lower?
i think it's mostly for the speedrunning aspect, in a normal run this would be fine but he was trying to clear the run ASAP and taking the time to get hit would be too long.
i just started playing hades 2 and was wondering how you do so much base dmg, ive used the skulls before and am still doing nowhere near that much
Inb4 the “bro fell off” comments
Playing these games makes me an analytical specialist.
how did you not have the centaur unlocked? Is there a way to unlearn arcana card or do you just never unlock this card?
Lmao isn't this the run where you trolled sub-9 by forgetting Chaos in the Fields
Edit: yeah lmao, that was funny xD
slow down Arcana doesn't make your speedrun slower tho, because the channeling speed is the same either way
It slows down enemy spawns and invulnerability phases on bosses, probably some other stuff.
@@Haelian trueeee tho!
is there a way to unlearn the centaur card? Or do you have to start a new game?
No way currently, there's a shared save on speedrun dot com without it unlocked.
i can see possessed array being nerfed😭
Is that a different savefile, where you just haven't unlocked "The Centaur" yet or is there a way to specifically lock certain arcana cards again? I just can't find an option for it >-
Yep different savefile, it's available here www.speedrun.com/hades2/resources
It's so funny to me that Hecate did more damage to you than Chronos
Why does showing death prove unseeded mean? What does unseeded in Hades mean?
possesed array is so broken
how is his hp 30?
That's base HP. No Titan, Centaur, Frinos, and hearts.
Hi
Bro fell off
you've never been anything in your life
@joshboike7052 yea I have, I've been a commenter on UA-cam that made you upset for someone who doesn't know you