5:11 - Chaos screwed with my videos again... Malice has always been a really interesting part of 40K its a curious thing that people just cannot seem to ever agree on, its strange as well because when you look at the story in its complete form, it seems pretty clear that GW are not only more than happy to continue keeping Malice as part of the verse, but they actively keep giving a wink to it. Does Malice exist? Tell me your theories.
@@Luetin09 I like how he is like the God of pessimism , nihilism, unbelive , cold hatred and aphaty. And no an entity that is like a parasite twords other parasites is not borrrrring.
@@svagglaorde4387 just like Doom back on 90 and just like john carmack said back in golden age era *Story In A Game Is Like porn movie It's Expected To Be There, But Its Not That Important* - john carmack
I wrote the short story, Labyrinth a dozen years ago. Cool seeing the final lines rendered at the beginning of this video. I remember using the name 'Malal' in the first few drafts until someone handily pointed out that Grant and Wagner still owned the copyright for it.
Wow crazy stuff, thanks for being here and seeing this :D never imagined. Humbling - Ive added Labyrinth in the links below the vid to Black Library, should have had already forgot to add it.
@@Luetin09 Sure. If I get the chance, I'll try and get them in at some point in the future. As with most things licensed though, it probably won't be up to me.
@@richardford1283 Indeed, but as I covered I do think it clearly has legitimacy the fact they are still mentioning the Sons even last year deserves a little expansion. I feel most conflicted about how they behave emotionally, do they work together or is it more chaotic and what sort of benefits does malice give to them if any in the same way that other gods give their followers a mark or some kind of benefit. Lots of room for expansion for sure
"We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot!" "We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls!" "We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates!" "We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain!" "Death to the Dark Gods!" "For the Renegade God!" "Let the galaxy burn!"
@Mister Ious Here's the basics of Malal worship: Do not show anger, lest it please Khorne. Do not show hope, lest it please Tzeentch. Do not show despair, lest it please Nurgle. Do not show enjoyment, lest it please Slaanesh. Bring your foes utter silence. In the name of the one true god of Chaos, let the galaxy burn.
So your telling me Malal is the Joker of the 40K gods? Cool. "It’s not about blood, rot, fates or pleasure...it’s about sending a message...." "Everything burns.."
That's why it's 40k. Everyone thinks it's because it's the 41st millennium, but it's actually the 10k extra layers of walls to make the 4th wall break safe.
@Nothing In Particular "Come...I will make you some hot chocolate...there there Malal...there, there..." Loved that bit so much. Horus and the others just out there in non-existence trying to help Malal cope.
Ah, my favorite Chaos god! I don't care if Malal/Malice "officially" exists or not; it's too good of a concept to NOT be part of the Warhammer/WH40k setting.
In reality, "Canon" is just a word. Any lore considered not Canon is about as real as anything that is considered Canon, so the choice is up to you to fit it into the universe of 40k 🙂
Malal/Malice - Edgelording before and after it was cool... "I'm so edgy, the universe itself can't decide whether I exist or not!" Other chaos gods: "Dude...!"
Slanesh was literally r / aped into existence. And that's putting it mildly. Not to mention the night lords, Khorne the god of eternal bloodshed and unending hatred, the Drukahri, Flayed ones, the Destroyer cult, Nids, the mechanicus, Doge VanDire, the Damaonculaba and the lads who made it. All the stuff that happened to the Lamentors. That stuff that happened in the watcher in the rain. Overzealous Inquisitors with an itchy trigger finger. Typhus. Orks gotta eat something other than grots and squigs, like babies and old people. The Alpha legion caused a famine that killed 90 Billion human cattle. Servitors exist and I promise you the vetting process for who gets turned into one is not nearly as effective as they want you to think. The 40k setting, all of it and I do mean all of it is the very definition of over the top try hard edgelord nonsense. For that last point about not existing well.... Rock and stone sister, Rock and stone.
I have no interest in playing 40K but fell in love with the lore through your videos and have started reading the books. Keep up with this brilliant work Lutin.
@@H-to-O You guys are adorable I remember when I was just a lore fiend then I made my first mistake, buying Magnus the Red "I'll just buy one," I said "That'll be all," I said hahaha what I fool i was
Paused playlist of your old videos to go to the bathroom. You were talking about the four chaos gods and the fifth supposed one. Then checked my phone to find a video made public at the moment you had mentioned Malice.
13:35 Faith is more a catalyst to emotion in the 40k universe. ALSO: Take the rot, to make it flesh. Take the skull, the soul to rest. Take their mind and give them peace. Take their will. Sensations cease. "We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot" "We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls" "We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates" "We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain" "Death to the Dark Gods" "For the Renegade God" "Let the galaxy burn!" To the Skin, Ice To the Rot, Fire To the Skull, Steel To the Mind, Night "We are the flames that scorch the garden of rot." "We are the waves that erode the mountain of skulls." "We are the quakes that shatter the labyrinth of lies." "We are the storms that rend the palace of perfection." "We are Malice."
Why would he try to end the Game? Since Malice thrives on pure anarchy would he not benefit by the Game lasting eternally? As the other Gods play, Malice benefits through the constant shifts in power fuelling him
@@callumcochrane7759 because, in many ways, pure chaos and anarchy is found in entropy - the complete dissipation of everything into endless disorder. In a war, even an endless one between the chaos gods, there would be some order - 4 different sides all against one another, planning and scheming, ordering their armies to battle. Pure chaos, pure entropy, pure anarchy is practically unimaginable, but we can say that anything you can imagine still has too much order to be absolute chaos
@@scerpalman If the Game ended that would mean that someone had won and would establish an order in their image. This would be an antithesis to Chaos as a concept. In your scenario, the end if the Game results in total devastation. I assumed that you meant that this was the Materium that was destroyed, but this would result in the forces of the Warp being greatly diminished as they need trillions of sentient lifeforms' emotions to fuel them. If they were sent into oblivion the manifestations of these emotions, the Chaos gods including Malice, would also cease to exist.
@@callumcochrane7759 It was really more a riff on the spiteful nature of Malice and its nature as a self-destructive anti-chaos chaos god. You say that if the game is over then someone has “won”. Malice isn’t trying to win or let anyone else win, it is trying to flip the table and ruin the Big 4’s day.
Theory, Malice isn't a minor god but the oldest entity of the warp. It existed before the chaotic gods were born and remembers when the warp was quiet and peaceful. It's purpose is to return its home to how it was, by killing the chaos gods by starving them thru killing all those who give them power. In this sense Malice and The Emperor of Mankind have the same end game, to starve the chaos at its source by making humanity believe in science and logic instead of gods, magic and the warp. So what if, when the Emperor entered the warp he never came out, but Malice came out wearing the Emperors skin and now sits on the throne keeping the body alive so the Emperor can't reincarnate. A demon in the warp started the hearsay to foil Malices plans to kill them all, makes sense to me if Malic is in charge if the Imperium given humanities heartless policies of annihilation towards anything that gives power to a chaos god. A long stretch from the Emperors more moderate strategy to slowly starve chaos thru science and education.
My Theory for the Emperor is similar. He fused with or absorbed a minor "good" Chaos God when visiting Moloch with Malcador in 24k. Not with Malice, who also represents Anarchy but his Counterpart like Ying and Yang. Order.
The immaterium would still be there and do fine without the galaxy, right? Wouldn't it be easiest to side with the necrons and get them to activate the blackstone pylons? It would even give him a safe haven in the event that the tyranids win. Although I guess they also quiet the warp in their own way.
I believe the emperor is the Encroaching Ruin, the direct opposition of malice the ravenous dissolution. Malice needs the 4 chaos gods weak to be powerful, and the emperor unknowingly is being used by a greater enemy.
Malice is my favorite god, its its presence manifest itself in the real world itself as unbridled chaos and uncertainty. The fact that malice produces chaos naturally in the community gives it a place as a dark god in the universe of 40k.
It didn’t manifest itself, it was likely manifested due to the necron’s Malice and Spite for the Old Ones at or possibly before War in Heaven. The War in Heaven lasted for Millions of Years and plunged everyone and everything in the entire Galaxy into unbridled violence and pain. However, it would not have occurred if not for the Necrontyr working with the C’tan and killing the Old Ones out of Malice and Contempt, and then later turning on the C’tan out of Spite.
@@johnnyrocket1685 Yeah perhaps that is true, nothing comes out of nothing, the necron theory is interesting. they are indeed quite spiteful and can perhaps feed something different than the chaos gods.
I'd like to propose some head canon. Malice is the oldest Chaos God, created from the collective racial malice and spite of the Necrontyr towards the Old Ones during one of their wars in heaven. The main four gods can be summoned to real space, but refuse to be summoned because if they would be summoned their warp realm would be vulnerable and taken over by the other 3. Thus losing the great game. Malice has no realm, because it never wanted one. It always wanted to destroy all life, and the warp, both driving forces being left over feelings of spite from the Necrontyr before they were Necrons. So *wants* to be summoned.
This could also explain why hes so weak at this point. The Necrontyr didn't just find other gods to worship, but completely cut themselves off from being any sort of "fuel source" for him by becoming the Necrons.
I 100% agree with this but I bet it would piss old Konrad off. His sons who were meant to bring order allying with the god of anarchy? Oh boy he must be rolling in his grave.
Nah, the godless Legions still believe in their ideals, even the Night Lords want to spread terror and assert their dominance in that way. Followers of Malice just want to destroy everything.
@@E100Omega123 A Greater Good War God is forming in the warp from humans in the Tau Empire, it’s pretty interesting. One of the few naturally good warp forces, besides the Emperor and Ynnead
1. Gork and Mork 2. Do you mean Gorkamorka From AoS? Fantasy and 40k share assets true but they appear to be separate Universes in Canon, now at least. If we're gonna meme about how similar the two are then where's Nagash at? And what about Mommy Morathi where's she?
I can see Malice having a "positive" half - self sacrifice Sort of like a "self destruction, but for a good cause" thing Edit: I can also see him being a god of freedom. The whole anarchy thing and all
I think in the old canon of Fantasy, Malal, as a god of anarchy, terror and chaos in general, was also a god of underdogs, slaves and those that were wronged by someone powerful, like a peasent abused by his lord or slaves fighting for freedom from the grasp of their masters.
I don't know why it's controversial or why fanfic shouldn't count, he basically said in the last video that it's whatever you want it to be because you bring your own interpretation
@@keegobricks9734 interpretation and canon are kinda two different things kinda but still its playing a bit fast and loose rly especially when it's on a wiki I think that's his point.
so if we're going with the posistive interpretations of the chaos gods (slaanesh being joy, Nurgle being stability, khorn being honor and protection, and tzeench being progress) would that make malice the god of self awareness? No wonder people argue wether or not he exists in 40 k
I figured that his positive aspects were creativity and freedom. They always describe him as being an actual god of chaos, not just being born from it, so I think that’s how his positive side would manifest.
18:38 I think it's actually very much in line with the concept of Malice to have their canon materials basically all unclear legends and fan-fiction. Like, everything about Malice should be made up on the fly to mirror how most people in-universe don't even believe Malice exists.
Malice is a chaos God and he's so powerful his influence reaches all the way into our reality in the ever so minor impact of no one being able to agree on what/if he is/ arguing about him
Inquisitors to the Grey Knights, “Space Wolves are rebelling against us and not killing citizens and Imperial Guard that have encountered Chaos”. (Armageddon) Grey Knights, “For the last time don’t F with Space Wolves!!!”
Also Inquisition: - Flame Falcons Space Marine Chapter are bursting with flames which scorches and kills daemons and chaos-related creatures it touches but does no harm to Falcons Emperor's faithful servants! Heresy, Grey Knights purge them for being chaos worshipers! *Grey Knights proceed to wipe the whole chapter* Derp.
@@t.va.6611 the Inquisition is decentralised and filled with paranoid members... honestly given they fight manipulatirs thars to be expected. Problem is you can get those that are overly paranoid who decide "Whelp... better not rusk it if its from the Warp." Again they are as harmful as they are helpful.
I dont know whether its I like the lore or I love your writing/narrating/editing but I cant stop watching these videos. I have zero interest in playing or 40k, I'm just hooked on your vids. Thank you, this is quality content
@@Luetin09 hahaha I'm too busy! I know what would help, I'd love it if your lore explanations included links to the game mechanics (I dont know if that might ruin the immersion of your lore vids) for example I know from the recent factions rundown video (he is called blinky or something) he explained how orks have very chaotic mechanics where you either smash it completely or fall apart depending on your luck, that's very ork! Or how the grey nights have few figures on the board, they are just incredibly tanky.
@@lwo7736 You can look up the game mechanics, but its pretty easy - you have turns of moving and shooting, your units have different stat profiles, you roll dice to determine if they successfully hit, damage and save. Thats basically it in a nutshell. It can be easy or more complex with advanced rules. Its a very good relaxing hobby, can sting the wallet once it drags you into its dark clutches tho lol
My boy Malal! I love that guy. He is the main antagonist in my D&D campaign and true to form I never tell anyone that. They think it's just a random evil God.
Do you have Chaos champions as well? That is cool. You can run a Warhammer Fantasy campaign without wasting money and time on the real Warhammer Fantasy.
@Char Aznable It sure would. I have not played D&D in many years but it has a time tested gaming system that would be a great way to explore the Warhammer universe. The conversions would take a little creative leg work for the DM, but it would be lots of fun. The only real attempt that I know of for WH was Dark Heresy. I did not play but read some of the handbooks. I cannot say I care for that system. D&D has a superior system. The only appeal to me would had been playing a WH40K RPG.
@Char Aznable I know. They totally destroyed everything that was good about Warhammer Fantasy. I really been much more of a fan of WH40K novels over the past decade. I have read 100s of books. I was also disturbed with the destruction of the WH universe as we know it. It made me fear that they would make the same idiotic move with WH40K as well.
Ferrus Manus it’s good to see that you remain everyone’s greatest cheerleader milord, it has always been my greatest dream to have you as a life coach for but one day sire
One positive thing you could say about Malice is that sometimes things are beyond saving and you just have to destroy it to start over. Could be born from the way the Imperium doesn't try to salvage or save anything they just burn it.
Rewatching this in 2022. The part around 40:00, mentioning how aggressive GW became in protecting their stuff, specifically referencing Astartes and TTS... Man how much things can change in two years. Feels bad man...
Also tzeentch might say malice is actually the great horned rat as the great horned rat followers are chaotic yet they destroy themselves as malice and his followers while making totally existent and non-existent progress like Malice represents.
Malal predates the Horned Rat. Horned Rat first appeared in 1989, Malal appeared in 1985. Before then, Skaven were basically Chaos Ratmen, worshipping other Chaos Gods. (By Other I mean there were more Chaos Gods back in the Oldhammer, like Khakkek, Meneloth, Atagro, Tristaris, Kka etc.)
This chaos god was so unstoppably powerful that it breaks the 4th wall into our dimension, violating IP and attempts to write it out of existence. Finding followers to continue his work in the minds of 40k lore fans. Unwitting harbingers of vengeance, of self destruction, of anarchy, of Malice. He persists as the Renegade God within Renegade lore.
I always felt that Malice might be the primordial god of chaos as all the other aspects bring some sense of order to what is a mealstrom of pure creation and destruction. In that sense you could see Malice as chaos trying to free itself from the confines of order the other chaos gods try to impose on it.
Странно слышать мнение о том, как Боги пытаются навязать "порядок". Они сами могут являться лишь результатом примитивного восприятия живущих в materium.
Your depiction of Malice reminds me of Mehrunes Dagon from Elder Scrolls who is, similarly, a god of destruction. All of the daedric princes have a positive and negative element and have people who pay appeasement or worship to both. Peryite, for example, is appeased by those who fear plague and pestilence, but is also worshipped as the patron and keeper of the mutant and outcast, and such has worshippers amongst the deformed. Dagon is usually only ever appeased, as his negative sphere is destruction, but he also has a positive sphere, energy and kinesis. Malice seems the same, he gets his power from destruction, yes, but motion itself powers him. He feeds the great game without participating because the existence of the game vfc itself gives him power. Where Khorne gets power from murder, anything that results in a change in the balance of power feeds Malice.
@@r.cdahuman7682 that is what I meant by "energy and kinesis". I didnt want to write out all of the subtleties of change and revolution; mainly because "change" is shared by all of the princes have part of the the change sphere and Boethiah, Clavicus Vile, Malacath (who is a bore at parties), Sanguine, Sheogorath, and Meridia all have part of the "revolution" sphere, with Mehrunes Dagon only ruling over the desire to topple structures and the resources used to destroy buildings and whatnot, hence kinesis, the actual movement matter and energy. That's actually why I love Elder Scrolls and Warhammer. Post-Christian deities are such simple affairs. You have a God if Fire, Water, etc. sometimes you get more esoteric gods like war or chaos, but whatever a god *does*, that is all it ever does. Examples include Lucifer (I know he isnt a god, I'm just making a point) who only does evil and YHWH (also not a god, I know) who only does good. Gods of the old world are so much more interesting. Hades is a god of the dead but some worshipped him as a luck diety because as a cthonic deity he also has some control of the bounty of the earth, which gave him some overlap with Pluton, who handles precious minerals. These two series are great at that sort of old-world mythology. The gods have more important things to deal with than the ugly sacks of mostly water they rule over. They fight over what parts of what spheres each owns.
I've said this before, but the "theres conflicting information in 40k" thing is in some ways a cop out the writers can use to explain away things that conflict, allowing them to ditch dead ends and not have every writer be an expert of everything. I think it's just as much that as it is a concept that does function in the story
You know, Malice makes a lot of sense as a minor god: We frequently describe people who act out of malice and spite as being small and petty, and this guy fits the bill. He doesn’t even revel in wanton destruction like Gork and Mork do, and the overall pointlessness of the violence and chaos he embodies feels just like the petty-minded assholes you encounter in life, who’ll kill a hummingbird, not to study it or even to torment it, but just because they can and they don’t have any notion of why not to.
Malice seems the most pure expression of "Chaos", a term used heavily to do with the warp in general. Though, Malice might be almost a "pseudo-chaos god" in that it could be that it isn't an actual entity so much as it's that chaos and wanton destruction is the default for the warp, and gives almost some kind of placebo effect to act in favor of that chaos and wanton destruction.
i gotta thank you luetin, i watched some video you made about a void grenade or someting on accident like 5 months ago, and now 40k is probably my favorite sci-fi universe.
Happy to discover this video, thanks Luetin ! For anyone interested, i decided recently to start my own faction of Chaos Space Marine and of course because i am edgy i wanted to chose Malice/Malal as the god of this faction. I just like the the space an "imprecise" character like him lets to create your own colors and ideas. It's clearly not canon since I don't know much about the lore and more on the fun and creative part. I don't have much people to share this so i hope you'll like it. Side note, i'm not a native english speaker so there might be some errors in my sentences! --------- THE WHITE HOLE FORCE Deep, far deeper than anyone could imagine in the constant chaos of the Warp, resided a force so strong and ubiquitous, that beside anything or anyone in its area being absorbed by it, nobody paid much attention to it. As an ominous maelström, an attraction defying the laws of time and reality pulled towards it the very essence of Life. No things, no ones, no nothing could escaped the opened door, as it vacuumed any particles close enough. Its very existence never being proven, yet hallucinated in the spirits of many chamans and experienced psychics. All tell the same frightening, disturbing tale of an hole, cold and infinitely dark, feeling so willingly to go through it, experiencing the relief, the easiness of letting go as if they were exhaling a last breath. They said the Black Door is a sphere, bending everything around it. As they came closer, they saw the stars, the formation and the death of galaxies, the universe altogether coming to life and disappearing. Despite all the confusion and the variations of the vision, they commonly agreed on one disturbing thing : The Presence. An impression unanimously felt of being gazed, absorbed and devoured. No one could describe it more than by the feeling of its weight, its gravity. As cosmic events challenged the Warp and its activity, the Black Door seemingly stopped to absorb everything around it. In an unforeseen turn of events, it instead started to pour infinitely in a white, bright and eerie silence, pushing all matter toward the exterior. The Imperium reported that reversal as some psychics recorded a brutal and immense disturbance in the cosmic gravity field. The phenomenon was colossal and left physicists and scientist from all regions of space baffled. The Imperium decided to call the strange but inoffensive spectacle a white hole, the very first of its kind. For the mind-travelers, it was named The White Fountain. Away from the eyes of the psychics and the chaos god reigning there, an unstoppable force was born. From that very fountain emerged in silence and grace, a god crafted from the fabric of the universe : Malal. Blended in the chaos, Malal serves no purpose to anyone. Malal does one thing : it entropies. It knows no king, no orders, no goal or conquest beside the very obliteration of matter itself. Given birth from the laws and forces building the universe, Malal is everything and nothingness. It resides outside of endings and beginnings and simply is, the flow that guide particles from states to states. Hated by the chaos gods, yet their supreme incarnation, Malal doesn’t feel the wrath of Khorne, the decay of Nurggle, the envy of Tzeentch or the pleasures from Slaanesh. It resides outsides of it and silences anything on its way. Called a renegade by the Chaos Gods, it is equally hated by any intelligent form of life, and feared by others. Malal, as they comprehend, only descends from the Warp to bring back every sentient being back to a state of lifeless particles, crushing and destroying so violently the bodies and minds, they go back to pursue the eternal journey of entropy. One could easily imagine the hate and the darkness of such a terrifying force, literally obliterating anything it faces, but they couldn’t be more wrong. Chaos in is purest form isn’t anything close to hate or anger, it’s an equally shivering neutral energy. It’s the rupture of order, the stop of logic and the rise of the unexpected. Malal doesn’t have ennemies or allies, It just roams the entire universe to transcend Life to an atomic level. To its eyes, we’re nothing but sandcastles and It is the wind. It detaches, cuts, bends every ties between atoms and molecules to make them go back to their simplest state, throwing dices about what their fortunes will be. Here they can begin a new journey to be « something » in the material world. Malal’s way is inevitable as time is, and for any of us, it’s only a matter of time before we meet it. I shall bear no hate, For I am Transformation, I shall tell no lies, For I am Truth, I shall leave none alive, For I am Balance. - Malal Malal’s armies are vast and numerous, but one faction embodies more than any others the commitment to entropy : The White Hole Force. As It is from the realms of Chaos, Malal uses similar troops, machines and forces as the other dark lords. Most of the time, It pulls towards it followers from the Chaos Gods as they are already inclined to its destructive tendencies. Sometimes, It designs its own creatures, servants to its everlasting mission, cruel, monstrous and silent beings. Soldiers from The White Hole Force are recognizable for they tend to lose all their colors to lean on a bleached appearance. Their armors lose their paints and turn uncolored by the power of Malal’s presence, a fragile glow hits their looks, turning them into ghostly creatures. Whereas white could appears as a certain form of purity, it displays instead the total absence of anything, the blankness, the cruel and cold state of what was even before the Universe. This unsettling feeling of the void, the absence where none of us even exist is the force that guides these troops. Some says the forces of The White Fountain pushes like wind every soldier on the field, bleaching them like driftwood. Skins become darks and dusty, losing all pigments and acquiring the touch of ashes, their faces stay deadpan or fixed in an expression of terror. Of their previous life, only gold stays, the one « pure » metal, the prestige of serving the entropy army and being in the most neutral yet devastative force of all. In its ranks, you could recognize legions from all chapters, having no struggle fighting together, sometimes even Xenos and Imperium forces. They are drawn to Malal like matter is because of gravity : they can’t help it. Serving the Renegade God is the only way to exist and be more than a few peckles of dust after its meeting. In combat, they act as a lifeless, unconscious yet ruthless force, killing, destroying and annihilating any form of life with a methodic accuracy. The White Hole Force is infamously known for two peculiar things. The first being their tendency to use liquid nitrogen on bodies to later crush them into dust, facilitating the process of entropy and leaving behind them nothing but a cold sand made of millions of victims. The second is the silence. Due to Malal’s power, Its troops never make any noises. No footsteps sounds, no gunshots sounds, no screams of terrors. The Entropy Army walks a deadly and crushing silence everywhere it goes; their faces are inexpressive, not touched in anyway by the destruction. The White Hole Force comes often from portals, unannounced, simply because fate has decided this area should disappear. It is common to see battles between foes having to unite against Malal because its sudden appearance will destroy both of them. Malal however never loses or wins, the inevitable is just postponed. Some said they saw Malal’s face on the battlefield, as the Quiet Army marches upon them. They said It has a smile, a calm, genuine, empathic smile.
When you talked about how Malice is pure mindless destruction, I always thought that was Khorne. Is is possible that Malice is so badly documented simply because it is part of Khorne?
No. Khorne demands that the blood be spilt in honourable (read: no Tzeentchian plots) combat. He doesn't care who you fight as long as you're fighting. Khorne worshippers are more like greenskins in the sense that they live for war - they don't want to just splash around in puddles of blood and play catch with skulls, they want to invade and burn and pillage and take your skull in a man-to-(alien)man fight to the death. Where Khorne wants war, Malal wants the deletion of everything from the universe. If Khorne were to hypothetically win the Great Game and conquer the universe, his followers would spend eternity fighting for his amusement. They'd split into factions and wage war on each other to prove who's more favoured by the blood god. If Malal were to win, there would be nothing. His followers would exterminate all life, destroy every world, remove all traces of *anything* from the universe, and then kill themselves. Khorne's victory is eternal war, Malal's is nothing. He wants the universe to be a black, empty void.
@@whywhy8324 In D&D terms, Khorne is like the chaotic evil god Gruumsh, or the demon lord Yeenoghu... but Malal/Malice is like the chaotic evil god The Chained Oblivion, Tharizdun... a malignant intelligence that is like a sentient expression of entropy. There are degrees within CE, after all.
@@whywhy8324 Whilst you didn't explicitly claim this, too many people seem to believe that Khorne demands that his followers _only_ engage in "honourable" combat. This couldn't be further from the truth. Sacrificing helpless prisoners, or even emulating Anakin Skywalker at the Jedi temple would be pleasing to Khorne. So would rounding up the students from a Schola Progenium and forcing them to fight one another to the death in Khorne's name armed with sticks and stones. Of course, Khorne would be a lot more pleased if you did a more daring deed, like single-handedly slaughtering your way through an entire PDF company or picking a fight with Marneus Calgar. As another example: imagine you are leading your Chaos warband against a poorly defended, but populous Imperial world. There's a hive city off the beaten path from your advance, and you need to make some sacrifices. Nuke that hive of Emperor botherers from orbit in Khorne's name, and Khorne's reaction would be "meh." Send your troops to rampage through the hive with chainswords and modified weed whackers, and you'll please the Lord of Skulls. By contrast, I imagine that Malice probably wouldn't care much how you annihilated that hive--even if you chose to flood it with powerful anaesthetic gases, giving everyone in the hive a more peaceful and pleasant death than they could expect at the hands of a Chaos warband. Another interesting distinction between Khorne and Malice is that Khorne does not care for victory--he doesn't want the war to end. By contrast, Malice does seek the end of the conflict, although Malice's idea of "peace" or "victory" is the complete extirpation of every participant or bystander in that conflict--his worshippers included.
Since war and violence are a big thing in 40k it's hard to differentiate the warp entities with maximum precision. Gork and Mork are violent gods for sure and even with an orkish degree of being cunning is an aspect of Gork and Mork they are greenskin wargods. But they aint Khorne and the Greenskins faith feeds them not Khorne. How? I dunno. The greenskins fight for the sake of fighting. Does this feed Malice? nope. Khorne wants the blood to flow no matter whose blood it is wether it's David slaying Goliath or a hiveworlder stabbing his family because his soylent green tasted awful. It's the nature of the big game never to end. As one god tries to claim parts of another one's domain, they might do the same with aspects of their personality by blurring the lines.
I think it could be that Malice was a very powerful Demon that simply gathered enough worshipers to ascend in power and essentially become a lesser god. A lot like how the Orks psychically manifested Gork and Mork in to existence by believing they were real. I think you should do a video on them next. If you're interested in more chaos lesser gods, check out Hashut from Warhammer Fantasy.
Imagine if Malice is the one to push chaos back to the eye of terror because he grew more powerful from the rift. Favorite chaos space marine chapter is the sons of malice. Highly unlikely but you can only hope.
hello there, we could assume that as the sons of malice are recognized as one of the original 20 gene seeds. it could be possible that malice is the primark and he has become a daemon of the 4 gods, hence is is stronger then than other primarks but not a god himself. just a thought. my army is painted sons of malice i love these dudes a lot
I think GW are pocketing Malice until it becomes financially worth bringing him into the game on more of a mainstream platform. Its always nice to have these mysterious characters in the background for a while. I would love to see a video from LEUTIN09 on the Starchild theory. I think this is another storyline/Character GW are banking for now.
Bro, how old are you. Your mind is......well....mind-blowing. what you talk about is way deeper than, and more applicable to, just 40k. Bravo, such excellence is rare.
Cool concept: One of the "lost and forgotten" legions coming back as a "True Legion of Malice" because they were expunged by the Emporer and are seeking revenge, twisted by Malice himself. They would, naturally, also fight Chaos.
I feel that like the other chaos gods Malice has always existed although in a weaker state. Then with the slaughter of the 41st millennium he is now growing as an upstart threat fueled by the self destructive practices of groups like the Imperium.
Love your work dude, your videos keep me painting. I've been in the hobby for 18 years and I still find out new stuff listening to you. Keep it up please
I tried watching Arch Warhammers video on the topic since it released a few hours from this post and any Malice content I digest like Slannesh herself but his ramblings and video format really made it difficult to consume information which drove me back here where it is done right. Just wanted to say thank you again for the great content!
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5:11 - Chaos screwed with my videos again...
Malice has always been a really interesting part of 40K its a curious thing that people just cannot seem to ever agree on, its strange as well because when you look at the story in its complete form, it seems pretty clear that GW are not only more than happy to continue keeping Malice as part of the verse, but they actively keep giving a wink to it.
Does Malice exist? Tell me your theories.
@@arthurchong5271 BOOOOOOO lol :D
@@Luetin09 I like how he is like the God of pessimism , nihilism, unbelive , cold hatred and aphaty.
And no an entity that is like a parasite twords other parasites is not borrrrring.
@dad lol, yes. Thats definitely it. Because no one would buy the figures, the figures they barely ever made lol Honestly wtf XD lol
@dad lol who are these guys getting so bent out of shape, LT is just making entertain video my man chill the fuck out
Always appreciate your hard work and dedication LT thank you for what you do.
"The greatest trick Malal ever pulled was convincing the universe he wasn't canon"
That why i still love warhammer40K until this day on
That's what Tzeench wants you to think...but then again what is canon?
@@svagglaorde4387 an interesting question, asshole
Svagg LAORDE to quote his TTS version of him
“A interesting question, A-hole”
@@svagglaorde4387 just like Doom back on 90 and just like john carmack said back in golden age era
*Story In A Game Is Like porn movie It's Expected To Be There, But Its Not That Important*
- john carmack
"Actually, I worship Malal. You've probably never heard of it."
-Chaos hipsters
Very good. :-)
I’m not like the other Chaos Marines!
Nooo!!! Now everyone knows he exists and they're gonna wanna join too!! God, chaos worshipping is gonna suuuuckkkkk!!!!
Ultimate Chaos Hipster: "I worship the Emperor"
...huh, Alpha Legion fits
I'd have thought that was a surefire way to get annihilated
I wrote the short story, Labyrinth a dozen years ago. Cool seeing the final lines rendered at the beginning of this video. I remember using the name 'Malal' in the first few drafts until someone handily pointed out that Grant and Wagner still owned the copyright for it.
Wow crazy stuff, thanks for being here and seeing this :D never imagined. Humbling - Ive added Labyrinth in the links below the vid to Black Library, should have had already forgot to add it.
@@Luetin09 Thanks. It's a great vid.
@@richardford1283 Please write some more about the Sons of Malice! I feel this is the time for them to return with the Anarchy the galaxy is in
@@Luetin09 Sure. If I get the chance, I'll try and get them in at some point in the future. As with most things licensed though, it probably won't be up to me.
@@richardford1283 Indeed, but as I covered I do think it clearly has legitimacy the fact they are still mentioning the Sons even last year deserves a little expansion. I feel most conflicted about how they behave emotionally, do they work together or is it more chaotic and what sort of benefits does malice give to them if any in the same way that other gods give their followers a mark or some kind of benefit. Lots of room for expansion for sure
Malal wasn't a minor chaos god, it took all four chaos gods working together for once to stop him from being canon
Plot twist: It's actually Shaggy and he's coming back with a Vengeance lol
@@mremu4358 Shaggy's power level is too high to be a mere god
@@isaacburrows8405 only Gork and Mork can kick shaggy's arse lol
Considering Squats are now a thing, I suspect it’s only a matter of time before we get Malal as an army for 40k
@@mremu4358 im not even sure if they could tbh. Shaggy is a being we simply cannot understand.
Slaanesh: hey have any of you seen my hentai stash
Malice:(standing in front of a pile of burning pornography) no.
Based malice
I love this version of malice
Malice puts on his studded shoes and walks through nurgles flower beds.
So he's the ultimate troll?
Malice the Asshole roommate.
Ah yes, Malice: patron god of that dude that griefs your Minecraft server.
I should have used that analogy
Honestly yeah, as someone who used to be a Minecraft griefer and now owner of a small Malice army, that would be a super good analogy 😂
@@noahyoung9651 Yes, Inquisitor, this comment right here gave me heresy.
Patron god of 2b2t
@@dontuseyourcellulardata7599 So I'm guessing PyroByte is a Daemon Prince and Malice's champion?
DOES THAT MEAN HAUSEMASTER IS MALICE?!?!?!?
“This is getting out of hand, now there are five of them!”
-Everyone
😆😆😆
@@Justanotherconsumer
Hahaha perfect summary dude!!
Star Wars reference
Actually....there are 8, as in 1 for each point. 4 Major and 4 minor (but that might not be canon :P ).
@@Spacefrisian
Dude what are the minor Chaos Gods?
"We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot!"
"We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls!"
"We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates!"
"We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain!"
"Death to the Dark Gods!"
"For the Renegade God!"
"Let the galaxy burn!"
@Mister Ious Here's the basics of Malal worship:
Do not show anger, lest it please Khorne.
Do not show hope, lest it please Tzeentch.
Do not show despair, lest it please Nurgle.
Do not show enjoyment, lest it please Slaanesh.
Bring your foes utter silence.
In the name of the one true god of Chaos, let the galaxy burn.
Dude this is a religion i can get behind
If you are going to worship chaos you might as well worship the actual literal chaos god instead of these PRETENDERS
@@angelwashere8864 Error 404: Religion not found
Spam filter activated, only the omnissiah shall prevail.
So your telling me Malal is the Joker of the 40K gods? Cool.
"It’s not about blood, rot, fates or pleasure...it’s about sending a message...."
"Everything burns.."
That would be Cegorach the laughing god
@@MrRat-hx8pm **Bottom Text**
Cegorach is the Joker of the 40K gods...
@Marko Turalija š
Malal: Tell your men they work for me now
Khorne: they won’t work for a freak
Malal, the true self-destructive force breaking the 4th wall so hard, even GW can't use it safely.....
That's why it's 40k. Everyone thinks it's because it's the 41st millennium, but it's actually the 10k extra layers of walls to make the 4th wall break safe.
@@Gormathius the only time both the realm of chaos and the universe as we know worked together
The real fifth chaos God was the friends we made along the way.
okay im dying
This is the first and only comment I could ever like. Glory to you.
As much as this joke is very over done I find this hilarious.
dammit I really wanna like this
That sounds like HERESY!
Everything can be explained by "warp spaghetti"
So the spaghetti monster is to blame for everything?
Yeah it’s pretty good-just don’t ask what’s in the special sauce
Top ten anime crossovers
The giant flying spaghetti monster is probably older than the warp itself
Knees weak, pauldrons heavy
“You forgot Malal.”
“He doesn’t exist, shut up about it!”
Awww
Just As Planned,
Good reference the emperor has a text-to-speech device
I was looking for this exact comment.
@Nothing In Particular "Come...I will make you some hot chocolate...there there Malal...there, there..."
Loved that bit so much. Horus and the others just out there in non-existence trying to help Malal cope.
Ah, my favorite Chaos god! I don't care if Malal/Malice "officially" exists or not; it's too good of a concept to NOT be part of the Warhammer/WH40k setting.
Malice вполне существует как демон Хаоса, но он не Бог.
@@user-ubludok uh.... Da
@@CBRN-115 😂
Agreed
In reality, "Canon" is just a word. Any lore considered not Canon is about as real as anything that is considered Canon, so the choice is up to you to fit it into the universe of 40k 🙂
Malal/Malice - Edgelording before and after it was cool...
"I'm so edgy, the universe itself can't decide whether I exist or not!"
Other chaos gods: "Dude...!"
Slanesh was literally r / aped into existence. And that's putting it mildly. Not to mention the night lords, Khorne the god of eternal bloodshed and unending hatred, the Drukahri, Flayed ones, the Destroyer cult, Nids, the mechanicus, Doge VanDire, the Damaonculaba and the lads who made it. All the stuff that happened to the Lamentors. That stuff that happened in the watcher in the rain. Overzealous Inquisitors with an itchy trigger finger. Typhus. Orks gotta eat something other than grots and squigs, like babies and old people. The Alpha legion caused a famine that killed 90 Billion human cattle. Servitors exist and I promise you the vetting process for who gets turned into one is not nearly as effective as they want you to think. The 40k setting, all of it and I do mean all of it is the very definition of over the top try hard edgelord nonsense. For that last point about not existing well.... Rock and stone sister, Rock and stone.
“He doesn’t exist, shut up about it” -some ecllesiarc
marucio Kevin and to say otherwise * raises bolter* is heresy
no it the ecclesiarchy
That you even dare to compare our Emperor to these filthy creatures...
You are WEAK
Skaven are a myth as well. A myth made up by heretical cowards.
I have no interest in playing 40K but fell in love with the lore through your videos and have started reading the books. Keep up with this brilliant work Lutin.
@@diomedes7971 Thanks for the recommendations.
Welcome to the club. I too was drawn in by luetin09
@@H-to-O You guys are adorable
I remember when I was just a lore fiend
then I made my first mistake, buying Magnus the Red
"I'll just buy one," I said
"That'll be all," I said
hahaha what I fool i was
@@zaczane Yo fool you have injected plastic crack and you will never escape
basically most of us here
"Some gods just want to see the warp burn"
now this is just great :D
"Without goodness to tempt, corrupt, and destroy what would their evil be?" -Malal
"The guy who invented Malal left GW and took his intellectual property with him, for legal reasons, Malal has been retconned"
Sad days
Why cant they just buy the rights. GW are pretty rich i doubt getting the rights to malal would be very hard.
@@Explorerofshadows they are cheap. Why do you think they keep on price gouging their customers?
Yes he has been reconed into malice
@@Explorerofshadows Why spend money when you can just alter a few letters and avoid copyright all together? That's GW's style.
Paused playlist of your old videos to go to the bathroom. You were talking about the four chaos gods and the fifth supposed one. Then checked my phone to find a video made public at the moment you had mentioned Malice.
Where's that Trunks video? Is it really gone to the abyss?
Surprised to see the art boi here but not dissapointed
You are WEAK
You’re my favorite dragon ball channel :D
Researching for a Warhammer: in summary video?
13:35 Faith is more a catalyst to emotion in the 40k universe.
ALSO:
Take the rot, to make it flesh.
Take the skull, the soul to rest.
Take their mind and give them peace.
Take their will. Sensations cease.
"We shall deny Nurgle their flesh to fester and rot"
"We shall deny Khorne their blood and skulls"
"We shall deny Tzeentch their destinies and fates"
"We shall deny Slaanesh their pleasure and pain"
"Death to the Dark Gods"
"For the Renegade God"
"Let the galaxy burn!"
To the Skin, Ice
To the Rot, Fire
To the Skull, Steel
To the Mind, Night
"We are the flames that scorch the garden of rot."
"We are the waves that erode the mountain of skulls."
"We are the quakes that shatter the labyrinth of lies."
"We are the storms that rend the palace of perfection."
"We are Malice."
yes thats it exactly imo.
Thank you for posting this.
Also Sons of Malice battle cry is the coolest, literally:
*fights in utter silence*
@@t.va.6611 There are more Chapters that do that, Carcharodons Astra for example
@@Killeraholic shark boys?
If the Gods play a Great Game, then Malice is the one trying to end it. That’s possibly the only thing positive you could say about it.
Why would he try to end the Game? Since Malice thrives on pure anarchy would he not benefit by the Game lasting eternally?
As the other Gods play, Malice benefits through the constant shifts in power fuelling him
@@callumcochrane7759 because, in many ways, pure chaos and anarchy is found in entropy - the complete dissipation of everything into endless disorder. In a war, even an endless one between the chaos gods, there would be some order - 4 different sides all against one another, planning and scheming, ordering their armies to battle. Pure chaos, pure entropy, pure anarchy is practically unimaginable, but we can say that anything you can imagine still has too much order to be absolute chaos
@@scerpalman If the Game ended that would mean that someone had won and would establish an order in their image. This would be an antithesis to Chaos as a concept.
In your scenario, the end if the Game results in total devastation. I assumed that you meant that this was the Materium that was destroyed, but this would result in the forces of the Warp being greatly diminished as they need trillions of sentient lifeforms' emotions to fuel them. If they were sent into oblivion the manifestations of these emotions, the Chaos gods including Malice, would also cease to exist.
@@callumcochrane7759 It was really more a riff on the spiteful nature of Malice and its nature as a self-destructive anti-chaos chaos god. You say that if the game is over then someone has “won”. Malice isn’t trying to win or let anyone else win, it is trying to flip the table and ruin the Big 4’s day.
@@callumcochrane7759 games can be ended without a winner you can have a draw or the board could break rendering the game unplayable
Theory, Malice isn't a minor god but the oldest entity of the warp. It existed before the chaotic gods were born and remembers when the warp was quiet and peaceful.
It's purpose is to return its home to how it was, by killing the chaos gods by starving them thru killing all those who give them power.
In this sense Malice and The Emperor of Mankind have the same end game, to starve the chaos at its source by making humanity believe in science and logic instead of gods, magic and the warp.
So what if, when the Emperor entered the warp he never came out, but Malice came out wearing the Emperors skin and now sits on the throne keeping the body alive so the Emperor can't reincarnate.
A demon in the warp started the hearsay to foil Malices plans to kill them all, makes sense to me if Malic is in charge if the Imperium given humanities heartless policies of annihilation towards anything that gives power to a chaos god. A long stretch from the Emperors more moderate strategy to slowly starve chaos thru science and education.
My Theory for the Emperor is similar. He fused with or absorbed a minor "good" Chaos God when visiting Moloch with Malcador in 24k. Not with Malice, who also represents Anarchy but his Counterpart like Ying and Yang. Order.
Heresy warning
That is dangerously close to my friends theory that the emperor is the Avatar of malic
Maybe the Emperor of Mankind IS Malice?
The immaterium would still be there and do fine without the galaxy, right? Wouldn't it be easiest to side with the necrons and get them to activate the blackstone pylons? It would even give him a safe haven in the event that the tyranids win. Although I guess they also quiet the warp in their own way.
I believe the emperor is the Encroaching Ruin, the direct opposition of malice the ravenous dissolution. Malice needs the 4 chaos gods weak to be powerful, and the emperor unknowingly is being used by a greater enemy.
Malice is my favorite god, its its presence manifest itself in the real world itself as unbridled chaos and uncertainty. The fact that malice produces chaos naturally in the community gives it a place as a dark god in the universe of 40k.
It didn’t manifest itself, it was likely manifested due to the necron’s Malice and Spite for the Old Ones at or possibly before War in Heaven.
The War in Heaven lasted for Millions of Years and plunged everyone and everything in the entire Galaxy into unbridled violence and pain.
However, it would not have occurred if not for the Necrontyr working with the C’tan and killing the Old Ones out of Malice and Contempt, and then later turning on the C’tan out of Spite.
@@johnnyrocket1685 Yeah perhaps that is true, nothing comes out of nothing, the necron theory is interesting. they are indeed quite spiteful and can perhaps feed something different than the chaos gods.
He will become canon, he will, he will, he will, he will
I will increase my bust, i will, i will, i will
I understood that reference
You are WEAK
You just can’t keep doing this to yourself
There there
I'd like to propose some head canon. Malice is the oldest Chaos God, created from the collective racial malice and spite of the Necrontyr towards the Old Ones during one of their wars in heaven. The main four gods can be summoned to real space, but refuse to be summoned because if they would be summoned their warp realm would be vulnerable and taken over by the other 3. Thus losing the great game. Malice has no realm, because it never wanted one. It always wanted to destroy all life, and the warp, both driving forces being left over feelings of spite from the Necrontyr before they were Necrons. So *wants* to be summoned.
I accept this head canon.
I'm stealing this and using it in my next conversation about chaos and passing it as my own original head-cannon. Thanks!
@@nigragigra5207 go for it. Good chance you'll muck it up anyway. Necoho believes in you
This could also explain why hes so weak at this point. The Necrontyr didn't just find other gods to worship, but completely cut themselves off from being any sort of "fuel source" for him by becoming the Necrons.
> Malice is the oldest Chaos God <
Malice - это маленький демон Неделимого, которому поклоняется одна банда CSM. Это НЕ Бог Хаоса.
I feel the night lords definitely fall under malice, especially those who do not worship the main chaos gods,
I 100% agree with this but I bet it would piss old Konrad off. His sons who were meant to bring order allying with the god of anarchy? Oh boy he must be rolling in his grave.
Konrad wouldnt like that. He uses terror to force order while Malal uses terror for anarchy
Nah, the godless Legions still believe in their ideals, even the Night Lords want to spread terror and assert their dominance in that way. Followers of Malice just want to destroy everything.
Its so cool how active the warp is right now in the lore. Malice, Ynnead, that Tau thing made by humans... The only thing missing is Mork and Gork.
Tau thing?
@@E100Omega123 A Greater Good War God is forming in the warp from humans in the Tau Empire, it’s pretty interesting. One of the few naturally good warp forces, besides the Emperor and Ynnead
@@CausticSpace The emperor good ?
HAHAHAHHAAA
@@catnium ha. Ha. Ha. Hoo. He. He. Hoo. Ha, and I thought my jokes were bad.
1. Gork and Mork
2. Do you mean Gorkamorka From AoS?
Fantasy and 40k share assets true but they appear to be separate Universes in Canon, now at least. If we're gonna meme about how similar the two are then where's Nagash at? And what about Mommy Morathi where's she?
I can see Malice having a "positive" half - self sacrifice
Sort of like a "self destruction, but for a good cause" thing
Edit:
I can also see him being a god of freedom. The whole anarchy thing and all
I think in the old canon of Fantasy, Malal, as a god of anarchy, terror and chaos in general, was also a god of underdogs, slaves and those that were wronged by someone powerful, like a peasent abused by his lord or slaves fighting for freedom from the grasp of their masters.
@@BaranZenon this is why he isnt cannon
A god of vengeance at any cost
@Samuel Dimmock no one is good in 40k but no one is entirely evil, apart from the dark eldar fuck those guys
@Samuel Dimmock Even though Khorne is still a thing despite him being a god of honor and truth but okay.
Luetin: "Time for something less controversial."
Also Luetin: *Argues about the lore and it being cannon*
Love you Luetin, thanks for the video!
Canon*
Dont mock the fear demon.
I don't know why it's controversial or why fanfic shouldn't count, he basically said in the last video that it's whatever you want it to be because you bring your own interpretation
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only vagueness.
@@keegobricks9734 interpretation and canon are kinda two different things kinda but still its playing a bit fast and loose rly especially when it's on a wiki I think that's his point.
Is this the guy in TTS that bangs on the wall and shouts “I will be relevant!”?
Malal, that poor boi
"You cant keep doin this to yerself"
“I’ll make some hot chocolate for you.”
@@noahf8752 "I'd like that"
Stirling Stafford “There there Malal, there there”
*Malal:* "I am the darkness! Fear me!" 👹
*The Four Other Chaos Gods in Unison:* "Awww, he's so cute!" 😊
You are WEAK
No u
@@ferrusmanus4013 you're dead
@@theemperorofman7777 you're a vegetable
@@mikipyr5687 HERESY!!!
"Loosened up with things like the 'Astartes' project"
This has not aged well.
so if we're going with the posistive interpretations of the chaos gods (slaanesh being joy, Nurgle being stability, khorn being honor and protection, and tzeench being progress) would that make malice the god of self awareness? No wonder people argue wether or not he exists in 40 k
Consince
@@idkusernameeggatron4652 God of not giving a shit more like
order
(cuz if nothing hapens no chaos)
I figured that his positive aspects were creativity and freedom. They always describe him as being an actual god of chaos, not just being born from it, so I think that’s how his positive side would manifest.
God of freedom
Imperials: Chaos Propaganda and Lies!
Heretics: Imperial Propaganda and Lies!
Malal: YOU WILL ALL RUE THE DAY YOU TURNED ME AWAY!
*I CATO SICARIUS*
I rue so many things regarding the galaxy as a whole, what's one more? Lol
@@surtaandume_psykermystyk4010 "A million and one."
Sorry if that wasn't what you were referencing.
Luetin09
The Discovery Channel of 40K :D
David Luetinborough 😆
🖐️ Aliens 🖐️
@@horrificpleasantry9474 No, back when it was you know... real.
18:38 I think it's actually very much in line with the concept of Malice to have their canon materials basically all unclear legends and fan-fiction. Like, everything about Malice should be made up on the fly to mirror how most people in-universe don't even believe Malice exists.
Malice is a chaos God and he's so powerful his influence reaches all the way into our reality in the ever so minor impact of no one being able to agree on what/if he is/ arguing about him
Inquisitors to the Grey Knights, “Space Wolves are rebelling against us and not killing citizens and Imperial Guard that have encountered Chaos”. (Armageddon) Grey Knights, “For the last time don’t F with Space Wolves!!!”
Also Inquisition:
- Flame Falcons Space Marine Chapter are bursting with flames which scorches and kills daemons and chaos-related creatures it touches but does no harm to Falcons Emperor's faithful servants! Heresy, Grey Knights purge them for being chaos worshipers!
*Grey Knights proceed to wipe the whole chapter*
Derp.
@@t.va.6611 the Inquisition is decentralised and filled with paranoid members... honestly given they fight manipulatirs thars to be expected. Problem is you can get those that are overly paranoid who decide "Whelp... better not rusk it if its from the Warp."
Again they are as harmful as they are helpful.
@@t.va.6611 At least they got to become the Legion of the Damn............
Lolz
Last time I was this early, Grandfather Nurgle was still a teenager known as "the Covid-Kid".
Been looking forward to this one, Luetin. Thanks again.
Corona-chan
Nice.
You are WEAK
Ferrus Manus nice spam idiot
@@kitchenjail3546 corona chan was just Isha cosplaying
I dont know whether its I like the lore or I love your writing/narrating/editing but I cant stop watching these videos. I have zero interest in playing or 40k, I'm just hooked on your vids. Thank you, this is quality content
'I have zero interest in playing or 40k'
lets see how that goes lol
@@arthurchong5271 You can't rape the willing.
@@Luetin09 hahaha I'm too busy! I know what would help, I'd love it if your lore explanations included links to the game mechanics (I dont know if that might ruin the immersion of your lore vids) for example I know from the recent factions rundown video (he is called blinky or something) he explained how orks have very chaotic mechanics where you either smash it completely or fall apart depending on your luck, that's very ork!
Or how the grey nights have few figures on the board, they are just incredibly tanky.
@@lwo7736 You can look up the game mechanics, but its pretty easy - you have turns of moving and shooting, your units have different stat profiles, you roll dice to determine if they successfully hit, damage and save. Thats basically it in a nutshell. It can be easy or more complex with advanced rules. Its a very good relaxing hobby, can sting the wallet once it drags you into its dark clutches tho lol
Arthur Chong only if you plan on buying an Emperor’s Children army ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Malice, minor chaos god yet the big four are absolutely scared shitless of him. I love Warhammer 40k
"So Basically Wednesday for the Imperium" Brilliant line
Lol posted the same before I could find your comment
I literally just bought the start of my Sons of Malice warband tonight... creepy timing
very creepy indeed
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@@ferrusmanus4013 quiet your spirit Ferrus
My first Chaos Marines starters kit was painted Son's of Malice. It ain't awesome but I'm still proud of them.
My boy Malal! I love that guy. He is the main antagonist in my D&D campaign and true to form I never tell anyone that. They think it's just a random evil God.
Wow sounds like a fun campaign
Do you have Chaos champions as well? That is cool. You can run a Warhammer Fantasy campaign without wasting money and time on the real Warhammer Fantasy.
@Char Aznable Yes it would. It would be fun to play it in an RPG format rather than wargame.
@Char Aznable It sure would. I have not played D&D in many years but it has a time tested gaming system that would be a great way to explore the Warhammer universe. The conversions would take a little creative leg work for the DM, but it would be lots of fun. The only real attempt that I know of for WH was Dark Heresy. I did not play but read some of the handbooks. I cannot say I care for that system. D&D has a superior system. The only appeal to me would had been playing a WH40K RPG.
@Char Aznable I know. They totally destroyed everything that was good about Warhammer Fantasy. I really been much more of a fan of WH40K novels over the past decade. I have read 100s of books. I was also disturbed with the destruction of the WH universe as we know it. It made me fear that they would make the same idiotic move with WH40K as well.
It’s almost 4am and I was about to go to bed
MadJustin7 what are you talking about? It’s 1PM?
@@JohnWhiteHere probably from America
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@@JohnWhiteHere, that was really dim, I do hope you're not serious
Ferrus Manus it’s good to see that you remain everyone’s greatest cheerleader milord, it has always been my greatest dream to have you as a life coach for but one day sire
One positive thing you could say about Malice is that sometimes things are beyond saving and you just have to destroy it to start over. Could be born from the way the Imperium doesn't try to salvage or save anything they just burn it.
"Malice will never and has never been in 40k" "oh also btw there's these guys called the sons of malice"
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for all the uploads.
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Thank you so much for the uploads in these times Luetin. You are doing the Emperors work!
5:09 - I thought this was intentional to portray what Malice actually looked like, an evil glitch in Warhammer40k's universe.
yes just imagine its that lol
@@Luetin09 After all nothing is cannon nothing is retconned it was all deliberate in one reality or another
2 weeks of the 40k pod cast. Currently here. Let's keep the Luetin binge going.
Rewatching this in 2022. The part around 40:00, mentioning how aggressive GW became in protecting their stuff, specifically referencing Astartes and TTS... Man how much things can change in two years. Feels bad man...
Also tzeentch might say malice is actually the great horned rat as the great horned rat followers are chaotic yet they destroy themselves as malice and his followers while making totally existent and non-existent progress like Malice represents.
"HEY WHAT'S UP GUYS!! IT'S ME, THE GREAT HORNED RAT, THE FOURTH CHAOS GOD!"
@ Indrick Boreale
5th*. Broheim...fifth....
That would be so freaking dope, introduce some crazy space rats
@@indrickboreale7381 **Zegram coughing intensifies**
Malal predates the Horned Rat. Horned Rat first appeared in 1989, Malal appeared in 1985. Before then, Skaven were basically Chaos Ratmen, worshipping other Chaos Gods. (By Other I mean there were more Chaos Gods back in the Oldhammer, like Khakkek, Meneloth, Atagro, Tristaris, Kka etc.)
Malice is the god of "This is why we can't have nice things"
Insert obligatory comment about how the last time I was this early something that hasn’t existed in a long time still existed
Much originality, clap clap
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I want to write an original reply, but my creativity shriveled and died long ago
Obligatory comment is Alpharius
This chaos god was so unstoppably powerful that it breaks the 4th wall into our dimension, violating IP and attempts to write it out of existence. Finding followers to continue his work in the minds of 40k lore fans. Unwitting harbingers of vengeance, of self destruction, of anarchy, of Malice. He persists as the Renegade God within Renegade lore.
"relaxed their copyrights which allowed for the creation of Astartes" - 1 year ago.
I always felt that Malice might be the primordial god of chaos as all the other aspects bring some sense of order to what is a mealstrom of pure creation and destruction. In that sense you could see Malice as chaos trying to free itself from the confines of order the other chaos gods try to impose on it.
Странно слышать мнение о том, как Боги пытаются навязать "порядок". Они сами могут являться лишь результатом примитивного восприятия живущих в materium.
"who knows how these things get to happening" Alpharius winks at Tzeentch
Your depiction of Malice reminds me of Mehrunes Dagon from Elder Scrolls who is, similarly, a god of destruction. All of the daedric princes have a positive and negative element and have people who pay appeasement or worship to both.
Peryite, for example, is appeased by those who fear plague and pestilence, but is also worshipped as the patron and keeper of the mutant and outcast, and such has worshippers amongst the deformed.
Dagon is usually only ever appeased, as his negative sphere is destruction, but he also has a positive sphere, energy and kinesis.
Malice seems the same, he gets his power from destruction, yes, but motion itself powers him. He feeds the great game without participating because the existence of the game vfc itself gives him power. Where Khorne gets power from murder, anything that results in a change in the balance of power feeds Malice.
Actually dagons positive spheres are revolution and change. He was created for the sole purpose of being a revolutionary leader. I'd say me.
@@r.cdahuman7682 that is what I meant by "energy and kinesis". I didnt want to write out all of the subtleties of change and revolution; mainly because "change" is shared by all of the princes have part of the the change sphere and Boethiah, Clavicus Vile, Malacath (who is a bore at parties), Sanguine, Sheogorath, and Meridia all have part of the "revolution" sphere, with Mehrunes Dagon only ruling over the desire to topple structures and the resources used to destroy buildings and whatnot, hence kinesis, the actual movement matter and energy.
That's actually why I love Elder Scrolls and Warhammer. Post-Christian deities are such simple affairs. You have a God if Fire, Water, etc. sometimes you get more esoteric gods like war or chaos, but whatever a god *does*, that is all it ever does. Examples include Lucifer (I know he isnt a god, I'm just making a point) who only does evil and YHWH (also not a god, I know) who only does good.
Gods of the old world are so much more interesting. Hades is a god of the dead but some worshipped him as a luck diety because as a cthonic deity he also has some control of the bounty of the earth, which gave him some overlap with Pluton, who handles precious minerals.
These two series are great at that sort of old-world mythology. The gods have more important things to deal with than the ugly sacks of mostly water they rule over. They fight over what parts of what spheres each owns.
I've said this before, but the "theres conflicting information in 40k" thing is in some ways a cop out the writers can use to explain away things that conflict, allowing them to ditch dead ends and not have every writer be an expert of everything. I think it's just as much that as it is a concept that does function in the story
Tzeentch; "You appeared in the materium?"
Malice; "What, like it's hard?"
Last time I was this early the Necrontyr were still converting their flesh.
> Last time I was this early
Is this some Old Ones' jokes that somehow survived to this day?
You know, Malice makes a lot of sense as a minor god: We frequently describe people who act out of malice and spite as being small and petty, and this guy fits the bill. He doesn’t even revel in wanton destruction like Gork and Mork do, and the overall pointlessness of the violence and chaos he embodies feels just like the petty-minded assholes you encounter in life, who’ll kill a hummingbird, not to study it or even to torment it, but just because they can and they don’t have any notion of why not to.
Malice seems the most pure expression of "Chaos", a term used heavily to do with the warp in general. Though, Malice might be almost a "pseudo-chaos god" in that it could be that it isn't an actual entity so much as it's that chaos and wanton destruction is the default for the warp, and gives almost some kind of placebo effect to act in favor of that chaos and wanton destruction.
i gotta thank you luetin, i watched some video you made about a void grenade or someting on accident like 5 months ago, and now 40k is probably my favorite sci-fi universe.
Happy to discover this video, thanks Luetin !
For anyone interested, i decided recently to start my own faction of Chaos Space Marine and of course because i am edgy i wanted to chose Malice/Malal as the god of this faction. I just like the the space an "imprecise" character like him lets to create your own colors and ideas. It's clearly not canon since I don't know much about the lore and more on the fun and creative part. I don't have much people to share this so i hope you'll like it. Side note, i'm not a native english speaker so there might be some errors in my sentences!
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THE WHITE HOLE FORCE
Deep, far deeper than anyone could imagine in the constant chaos of the Warp, resided a force so strong and ubiquitous, that beside anything or anyone in its area being absorbed by it, nobody paid much attention to it. As an ominous maelström, an attraction defying the laws of time and reality pulled towards it the very essence of Life. No things, no ones, no nothing could escaped the opened door, as it vacuumed any particles close enough. Its very existence never being proven, yet hallucinated in the spirits of many chamans and experienced psychics. All tell the same frightening, disturbing tale of an hole, cold and infinitely dark, feeling so willingly to go through it, experiencing the relief, the easiness of letting go as if they were exhaling a last breath. They said the Black Door is a sphere, bending everything around it. As they came closer, they saw the stars, the formation and the death of galaxies, the universe altogether coming to life and disappearing. Despite all the confusion and the variations of the vision, they commonly agreed on one disturbing thing : The Presence. An impression unanimously felt of being gazed, absorbed and devoured. No one could describe it more than by the feeling of its weight, its gravity.
As cosmic events challenged the Warp and its activity, the Black Door seemingly stopped to absorb everything around it. In an unforeseen turn of events, it instead started to pour infinitely in a white, bright and eerie silence, pushing all matter toward the exterior. The Imperium reported that reversal as some psychics recorded a brutal and immense disturbance in the cosmic gravity field. The phenomenon was colossal and left physicists and scientist from all regions of space baffled. The Imperium decided to call the strange but inoffensive spectacle a white hole, the very first of its kind. For the mind-travelers, it was named The White Fountain.
Away from the eyes of the psychics and the chaos god reigning there, an unstoppable force was born. From that very fountain emerged in silence and grace, a god crafted from the fabric of the universe : Malal. Blended in the chaos, Malal serves no purpose to anyone. Malal does one thing : it entropies. It knows no king, no orders, no goal or conquest beside the very obliteration of matter itself. Given birth from the laws and forces building the universe, Malal is everything and nothingness. It resides outside of endings and beginnings and simply is, the flow that guide particles from states to states. Hated by the chaos gods, yet their supreme incarnation, Malal doesn’t feel the wrath of Khorne, the decay of Nurggle, the envy of Tzeentch or the pleasures from Slaanesh. It resides outsides of it and silences anything on its way. Called a renegade by the Chaos Gods, it is equally hated by any intelligent form of life, and feared by others. Malal, as they comprehend, only descends from the Warp to bring back every sentient being back to a state of lifeless particles, crushing and destroying so violently the bodies and minds, they go back to pursue the eternal journey of entropy.
One could easily imagine the hate and the darkness of such a terrifying force, literally obliterating anything it faces, but they couldn’t be more wrong. Chaos in is purest form isn’t anything close to hate or anger, it’s an equally shivering neutral energy. It’s the rupture of order, the stop of logic and the rise of the unexpected. Malal doesn’t have ennemies or allies, It just roams the entire universe to transcend Life to an atomic level. To its eyes, we’re nothing but sandcastles and It is the wind. It detaches, cuts, bends every ties between atoms and molecules to make them go back to their simplest state, throwing dices about what their fortunes will be. Here they can begin a new journey to be « something » in the material world. Malal’s way is inevitable as time is, and for any of us, it’s only a matter of time before we meet it.
I shall bear no hate,
For I am Transformation,
I shall tell no lies,
For I am Truth,
I shall leave none alive,
For I am Balance.
- Malal
Malal’s armies are vast and numerous, but one faction embodies more than any others the commitment to entropy : The White Hole Force. As It is from the realms of Chaos, Malal uses similar troops, machines and forces as the other dark lords. Most of the time, It pulls towards it followers from the Chaos Gods as they are already inclined to its destructive tendencies. Sometimes, It designs its own creatures, servants to its everlasting mission, cruel, monstrous and silent beings. Soldiers from The White Hole Force are recognizable for they tend to lose all their colors to lean on a bleached appearance. Their armors lose their paints and turn uncolored by the power of Malal’s presence, a fragile glow hits their looks, turning them into ghostly creatures. Whereas white could appears as a certain form of purity, it displays instead the total absence of anything, the blankness, the cruel and cold state of what was even before the Universe. This unsettling feeling of the void, the absence where none of us even exist is the force that guides these troops. Some says the forces of The White Fountain pushes like wind every soldier on the field, bleaching them like driftwood. Skins become darks and dusty, losing all pigments and acquiring the touch of ashes, their faces stay deadpan or fixed in an expression of terror. Of their previous life, only gold stays, the one « pure » metal, the prestige of serving the entropy army and being in the most neutral yet devastative force of all.
In its ranks, you could recognize legions from all chapters, having no struggle fighting together, sometimes even Xenos and Imperium forces. They are drawn to Malal like matter is because of gravity : they can’t help it. Serving the Renegade God is the only way to exist and be more than a few peckles of dust after its meeting. In combat, they act as a lifeless, unconscious yet ruthless force, killing, destroying and annihilating any form of life with a methodic accuracy. The White Hole Force is infamously known for two peculiar things. The first being their tendency to use liquid nitrogen on bodies to later crush them into dust, facilitating the process of entropy and leaving behind them nothing but a cold sand made of millions of victims. The second is the silence. Due to Malal’s power, Its troops never make any noises. No footsteps sounds, no gunshots sounds, no screams of terrors. The Entropy Army walks a deadly and crushing silence everywhere it goes; their faces are inexpressive, not touched in anyway by the destruction. The White Hole Force comes often from portals, unannounced, simply because fate has decided this area should disappear. It is common to see battles between foes having to unite against Malal because its sudden appearance will destroy both of them.
Malal however never loses or wins, the inevitable is just postponed.
Some said they saw Malal’s face on the battlefield, as the Quiet Army marches upon them. They said It has a smile, a calm, genuine, empathic smile.
Oh boi. Here I go doing heretical things again.
The Empire while killing off a planetwide tribe-culture:
"It is wednesday ma dudes"
Malal, the fifth Chaos God; he left the band just before they got famous😉!
I train for bike races, and i always listen to your videos to help burn the time. So thank you for posting such great quality content. Much love bro.
You are the only one that can talk as fast as you do and I can completely understand everything you say.
When you talked about how Malice is pure mindless destruction, I always thought that was Khorne. Is is possible that Malice is so badly documented simply because it is part of Khorne?
No. Khorne demands that the blood be spilt in honourable (read: no Tzeentchian plots) combat. He doesn't care who you fight as long as you're fighting. Khorne worshippers are more like greenskins in the sense that they live for war - they don't want to just splash around in puddles of blood and play catch with skulls, they want to invade and burn and pillage and take your skull in a man-to-(alien)man fight to the death.
Where Khorne wants war, Malal wants the deletion of everything from the universe. If Khorne were to hypothetically win the Great Game and conquer the universe, his followers would spend eternity fighting for his amusement. They'd split into factions and wage war on each other to prove who's more favoured by the blood god. If Malal were to win, there would be nothing. His followers would exterminate all life, destroy every world, remove all traces of *anything* from the universe, and then kill themselves. Khorne's victory is eternal war, Malal's is nothing. He wants the universe to be a black, empty void.
@@whywhy8324 In D&D terms, Khorne is like the chaotic evil god Gruumsh, or the demon lord Yeenoghu... but Malal/Malice is like the chaotic evil god The Chained Oblivion, Tharizdun... a malignant intelligence that is like a sentient expression of entropy. There are degrees within CE, after all.
The difference between Khorne and Malice would be like the one between Wehrmacht and SS, according to the designer of Malal, Tony Ackland.
@@whywhy8324 Whilst you didn't explicitly claim this, too many people seem to believe that Khorne demands that his followers _only_ engage in "honourable" combat. This couldn't be further from the truth. Sacrificing helpless prisoners, or even emulating Anakin Skywalker at the Jedi temple would be pleasing to Khorne. So would rounding up the students from a Schola Progenium and forcing them to fight one another to the death in Khorne's name armed with sticks and stones. Of course, Khorne would be a lot more pleased if you did a more daring deed, like single-handedly slaughtering your way through an entire PDF company or picking a fight with Marneus Calgar.
As another example: imagine you are leading your Chaos warband against a poorly defended, but populous Imperial world. There's a hive city off the beaten path from your advance, and you need to make some sacrifices. Nuke that hive of Emperor botherers from orbit in Khorne's name, and Khorne's reaction would be "meh." Send your troops to rampage through the hive with chainswords and modified weed whackers, and you'll please the Lord of Skulls. By contrast, I imagine that Malice probably wouldn't care much how you annihilated that hive--even if you chose to flood it with powerful anaesthetic gases, giving everyone in the hive a more peaceful and pleasant death than they could expect at the hands of a Chaos warband.
Another interesting distinction between Khorne and Malice is that Khorne does not care for victory--he doesn't want the war to end. By contrast, Malice does seek the end of the conflict, although Malice's idea of "peace" or "victory" is the complete extirpation of every participant or bystander in that conflict--his worshippers included.
Since war and violence are a big thing in 40k it's hard to differentiate the warp entities with maximum precision. Gork and Mork are violent gods for sure and even with an orkish degree of being cunning is an aspect of Gork and Mork they are greenskin wargods. But they aint Khorne and the Greenskins faith feeds them not Khorne. How? I dunno. The greenskins fight for the sake of fighting. Does this feed Malice? nope. Khorne wants the blood to flow no matter whose blood it is wether it's David slaying Goliath or a hiveworlder stabbing his family because his soylent green tasted awful. It's the nature of the big game never to end. As one god tries to claim parts of another one's domain, they might do the same with aspects of their personality by blurring the lines.
Malal/Malice feels more like the head chaos god shadow puppetering in the background.
*quiet angry tzeentch screeching in the backround*
He's the antithesis of supposed Chaos God of Chaos Undivided, the Great Beast, if you ask me hehe. Like the Chaos God of Chaos Divided.
I think it could be that Malice was a very powerful Demon that simply gathered enough worshipers to ascend in power and essentially become a lesser god. A lot like how the Orks psychically manifested Gork and Mork in to existence by believing they were real. I think you should do a video on them next. If you're interested in more chaos lesser gods, check out Hashut from Warhammer Fantasy.
"And at last, the furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten."
"Malal? never heard about that" Malice himself to a son of Malal
Lol, loving this quarentine, all my favorite creators are actually making regular cobtent again 😂
Imagine if Malice is the one to push chaos back to the eye of terror because he grew more powerful from the rift. Favorite chaos space marine chapter is the sons of malice. Highly unlikely but you can only hope.
I wonder if there's a link between Malice's visual appearance and the fact that the symbol of adeptus mechanicus tends to be a split skull?
I can't believe it has taken me this long to get into 40k, I should have gotten into it long, long ago. It's amazing.
i always love the intro gives 40k the ominous tone it deserves
hello there, we could assume that as the sons of malice are recognized as one of the original 20 gene seeds. it could be possible that malice is the primark and he has become a daemon of the 4 gods, hence is is stronger then than other primarks but not a god himself. just a thought. my army is painted sons of malice i love these dudes a lot
I think GW are pocketing Malice until it becomes financially worth bringing him into the game on more of a mainstream platform. Its always nice to have these mysterious characters in the background for a while.
I would love to see a video from LEUTIN09 on the Starchild theory. I think this is another storyline/Character GW are banking for now.
Who doesn’t love waking up to a Luetinn video? Because that’s HERESY.
Bro, how old are you. Your mind is......well....mind-blowing. what you talk about is way deeper than, and more applicable to, just 40k. Bravo, such excellence is rare.
Cool concept: One of the "lost and forgotten" legions coming back as a "True Legion of Malice" because they were expunged by the Emporer and are seeking revenge, twisted by Malice himself. They would, naturally, also fight Chaos.
I feel that like the other chaos gods Malice has always existed although in a weaker state. Then with the slaughter of the 41st millennium he is now growing as an upstart threat fueled by the self destructive practices of groups like the Imperium.
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I would love to see malice play a major role in the 40k lore.
Love your work dude, your videos keep me painting. I've been in the hobby for 18 years and I still find out new stuff listening to you. Keep it up please
I loved the stories Kaleb Daark back in the day and wondered why he had never been resurrected - THANK YOU 🙏🏻
My name is Cathal, scarily close to Kathal... My parents are heretics.
Perfect way to start the week :D
Malice sounds like an actual chaos god. Proper anarchy.
I tried watching Arch Warhammers video on the topic since it released a few hours from this post and any Malice content I digest like Slannesh herself but his ramblings and video format really made it difficult to consume information which drove me back here where it is done right.
Just wanted to say thank you again for the great content!
At 18:45, this is a wonderful idea! Yes lets make it so! From now on the Baneblades are the scout tanks!