The DARKEST Depths Of VTubers...
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
- VTubing is a relatively recent phenomenon that has taken the internet by storm since the genre began less than a decade ago. In this video, we're doing a deep dive into the media, to uncover the hidden secrets that lie within it.
Timestamps:
00:00 - The Sinsogumi Incident
03:51 - Quin69's VTuber Rant
07:35 - VTuber Authenticity
11:48 - Kyouka Allegations
15:18 - Pikamee's Graduation
20:40 - Chinese Communist Youth League
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I remember after The Sinsogumi Incident, another streamer decided to do the same thing, but instead of adult content being played, it was a Family Guy episode. Honestly hilarious.
Just imagine,a great splodge of purple paint being the only thing keeping you from seeing peter griffin's butt mid-stream😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
no clue if it was where he got the idea, but failboat did something where during the pokemon splatfest he had his ink be the stream chat trying to play a pokemon game (I believe it was emerald), so they could only see the game while he was actually winning and it was a painful (it hurt my eyes) but fun experience to watch-
As a Splatoon player, I can assure you that they were the geniuses we needed but didn't deserve
Damn right.
That Splatoon competition is kind of hilairous.
If we're talking off the record, I totally agree with you 🤣
It's super creative 😅
I have been eating as I watched the video, and I couldn’t blow my food to cool it down because I was laughing too much over that intro 😂
I guess... Needing attention hog whore inspired
it's a fantastic idea, but it's just so sickening that they used such content instead of something more silly.
Ironmouse is the most qualified to rip on quin69, since she really does have a voice like that, is bedridden with illness, and all of her education and training she received before her illness works towards vtuber activities.
So she's literally doing the job she's most qualified to do and getting paid to do it
Wait what illness does ironmouse have/what's going on with her? Ngl I literally watch a single v tuber I have no clue about any others.
@@Jpeg_skeleton immunodeficiency illness that leaves her pretty much bedridden
@Jpeg skeleton the official diagnosis is common variable immunodeficiency. Her body is unable to make antibodies and is unable to properly fight infections. She basically has genetic AIDs. While she is capable of having an average lifespan, every little illness could be fatal and stepping outside her sterilized home is a major risk. She also has a naturally tiny frame, allowing viruses to travel faster and exacerbating her condition.
@@theotherjared9824 that really sucks. I've seen a single clip of her and she seemed so nice too, it sucks she got that Illness.
@@CaliMorningstarid still smash
Please remember that the people who harassed Pika weren't fans of hers. They were terminally online Twitter freaks who have nothing better to do than harass innocent people online.
@@DFusions_ Hell one of the people was forced to issue a apology to JK herself when they called JK a literal nazi and JK threatened to sue for defamation unless they took that down and apologized publically
As you know being called or labeled a Nazi or Pedophile is a serious accusation that even if proven false can ruin a person's carrier as both are actually well defined which is why any Rich person would fucking sue you for calling them either a Pedophile or Nazi if you don't have proof as words spreads fast on the internet so does misinformation
It's sad that people who could be fans of such a wholesome kettle would stoop so low. I fell into the camp of people who thought it was relatively harmless to play the games because there was no direct connection between the development team and JK Rowling's estate. Even if there was, I still don't think bullying, doxxing and harassing people for playing a video game is at all a reasonable or sane response. I'm sad that VOMs didn't stand up for her, but at the end of the day, business is business. I'm just glad she was able to start over again and she didn't leave the internet entirely. I think the internet needs more of that kind of positivity.
@@creative-name5279 Nah the internet needs more people to push back against them. As just like Hell you are going to get laughed at if you are not willing to show that you are not going to back down. Just look at Silvervale a ball of positivity yet labeled as a Terf because she just wanted to have fun on stream and play the game and she even said that she does not condone Rowling's actions or views. But point out that she did nothing to warrant the offensive term terf other than playing the game on stream and they will say you are arguing in bad faith. They even dehumanize her by calling her Terfvale all the time instead of her name which dehumanizing is against twitter ToS the last i checked as Terf is a derogatory term. And again Silver did nothing to warrant being called a terf and terf is short for Trans-exclusionary Radical Feminist and is she did then i would love to see the evidence and no buying and playing Hogwarts Legacy does not count hell that game is inclusive as fuck and has actual trans characters in it which is a middle finger to JK.
But the Freaks are blinded by their hate boner for JK that they don't even know that JK had no creative decision over the game even if she does get royalties for everything related to the Harry Potter universe. And they don't know how inclusive the game actually is nor will they listen or look.
Honestly i do not value Twitter freaks opinions or lives at all, because look at them they are just a bunch of fucking bullies that are trying to go on a power trip and you know damn well that they are never saying this shit IRL otherwise they will get their face knocked in and they know it. Then again this is coming from a hostile autistic person that definitely would punch the freaks in the face if they said their bs to my face or try to belittle me, and yes going to jail for assault would be worth it as the dumbasses needed the reality check. Granted if you ask my family they say i am hostile while i say i am not i just casually cuss a lot while strangers think i am being hostile as for some reason they did not grow up in the hillbilly south like i did
Ironic. Guessing you watch that weeatroon rev. Not saying I support pika being harassed, but rev has done the same amount of harassment as pika’s haters
@@WhyWhydaguy What exactly is "ironic" about the situation? Unless you mean that a group that talks a big game about being accepting to others bullied and harassed a girl who just wanted to play a video game (not to mention threatened her with bodily harm). And not only did no one mention this Rev person but I don't even know who that is. And what do they have to do with Pika exactly?
Also "Not saying I support pika being harassed but..." sounds a lot like "I'm not racist but..." and the only people who say that are racists so I feel like you might have supported the harassment campaign. (And even if that assumption is wrong you also made a wrong assumption about me so it makes us even.)
I'm a huge vtuber fan who is a woman (with a husband!) and I draw so much fanart for one vtuber in particular. It's honestly funny watching the drama spawning because vtubers exist. I'm 31 and I don't care about the kiddy, petty bullshit. But I love knowing I don't fit the typical basement dwelling weeb with a parasocial issue. 😂 You can find me at my place of work with a "Pomu" name tag.
That's why I loved Pikamee's community: if anything, the viewers were the ones friendzoning her.
On the topic of a fake personality behind Vtubers: who out of us acts the same in a group at a party? I never acted fake, but my spirits were up and I was out having a good time, so my voice, inflection, mannerisms all reflected that. That’s like their group at the party they’re hosting. So I mean, I don’t get it, but i kinda get it. (outside of the obvious “uwu” super fake ones and whatnot)
We all put on a mask in certain situations. If a streamer genuinely beleives they aren't playing a character when in front of the camera, they're lying to themselves.
There is no "real" self. We all adjust ourselves when presenting in environments and even to ourselves. How different are Dr. Disrespect and Pekora when they play their characters for the viewers?
I mean when watching a stream do you want energetic or someone who is insecure and depressed?
Of course personality does change between streaming and not streaming. This isn't only towards vtubers though. Some people on camera 'flesh tubers' also put on a different personality when streaming.
Insert American psycho quote
And I mean, if you wanna get right down to it, Vtubing is pretty much role-play in a way. A lot of us are “sexy alien kings”, “badass/sexy demon”, literally a chicken nugget with a face, or in my case, “great value dragonborn isekai protagonist”. We play a character. In my case, my character is pretty much me, just behind an avatar. But others get REAL into the role-play aspect and take on a whole new personality. It's actually just acting. You don't have to like it, you don't have to get it, understand it, condone it, etc, etc. And more importantly, you don't have to watch.
(I mean you in general, no you specifically, OP
There are a few channels out there that catalog vtuber news on basically a daily basis. If you binge watch them for long enough, you definitely start getting a lay of the land about the community. You see recurring characters and what they tend to do, you see how both insiders and outsiders respond to certain events, and you get to see the mind bending drama and controversies that often feel like school lunchroom fights blown up to an international corporate scale.
Yup. FalseEyeD is good at this IMO
I tend to avoid the Vtuber drama channels because as you said they take something small and blow it way out of proportion
IDK about the community bit. Yeah, lot of shitty people are in vtubing, but like... can't you also say that about like, every group of humans?
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I think the splatoon porn game was genius and funny as fuck.
The whole Quin argument, personally I don't see Vtuber any different from regular Twitch/ streamers out there that has "personas"! I mean they still get some creep whose simp for them! Guess the difference is, those creeps aren't into anime!
To be honest Quin's takes are just bad lol if you ask me.
@@argisus1279 i never seen him before and my god he looks like a stereotypical incel imho. I’m not surprised that he’s mad about successful women. 😂
@@argisus1279 lol he is 200% tight acting like kids , anime pedo bs
As someone with Anxiety (Both social and general) and who has a lot of insecurities about different aspects of myself because of it, the idea of VTubing is actually very appealing to me. If I didn't already know I wouldn't be able to handle literally any inevitable hate I'd get (Cause every online personality gets it no matter who they are it seems) due to my panic disorder I might try my hand at it just because of the fact that it sort of acts as a buffer between myself and my audience, letting me feel more comfortable to be myself.
imma be honest: if someone tries to defend what someone else said with "well he said worse things in the past so-" i immediately discount everything they say after that. that does not help your case. in fact, it makes it worse
Exactly it is weird that he also tries to both side this, when he made it pretty clear that Quinn is the kind of person that attracts viewers who would harass other people
As a Vtuber who watches your videos, I was not expecting this video lol
Hope you enjoyed it! How did I do?
@@FoxAkimbo You did great. You are right about some vtubers putting on a persona but usually it's because the Vtuber and the person playing them are two different characters. They play a character which means they might have to put on a voice. While they are a few Vtubers who do that loli stuff, a majority of vtubers are not "lollis", it's just the bad eggs are the loud Minorities and make the rest of us look bad.
Also Silvervale's auto mod broke and would ban anyone that said trans or trans rights. She would later join a trans charity stream as an apology.
@@SonicExeFemale I would add my own opinion on this. I do think Vtubers and the person behind them are 2 different person and it's alright if they want to play out a persona, majority of the times their persona would be an exaggerated version of themself anyway. For RP vtubers it's a lot more disingenuous cause it seems to be putting another layer to the vtuber mask by actively selling a fantasy on a parasocial relationship, to me it they aren't so different from a camgirl or other tiktok gurus who prey on vulnerabilities of their audiences. While the "loli" is quite small but stuff like GFEs are pretty normalized in a vtuber landscape and it's really disgusting.
Another point I want to say is that some vtubers seems to try really hard to bait clippers that they are willing to turn their personality into a meme. I have no proof that they are actually doing this aside from my personal experience so take that as you will.
@@xtopher174 well we are actively wprking on fixing the community since the Pikamee stuff so if you look in the right plac, you can see that alot of vtuber are against harrasement and loli stuff
@@xtopher174 I would agree, They'll either have a little girl avatar or have a girl avatar that has massive bust size and butt size and they'll say a lot of sexual stuff or they'll be one of those people that (Act like they don't know what they're saying or doing and try to act cute) like the one that says the N word over and over and people will be like (Oh she doesn't know what she saying lol, how adorable) it's so creepy, Those type of vtubers are the most popular and was the reason why it even got popular in the first place
Regarding the analysis of vtuber authenticity: for me, it's a way for me to grasp onto an identity that I can't have IRL. It lets me be the me I want to work to be, and gives me the grounding and vision to keep on going.
Vtubing gives me purpose. I don't get much else.
Anyone who does it need help
i don’t think people truly recognize the damage that infantilization does to a person’s psyche. not just the consumer but for the creator as well. it is extremely dangerous to promote creators who use childlike behavior to their advantage. the problem is, there will always be an audience willing to take in that content & enjoy it in any sick way they want. it’s tricky.
however, i think it’s unfair to assume that all Vtubers are abusing their influence over their fans. as u said, it’s easy to dunk on furries or ‘weeaboos’ but it can be difficult to understand that these are real people with feelings.
idk how i feel, personally i don’t follow or watch any Vtubers nor would i want to, but i can recognize that not everything is black & white.
Not much of vtuber fan but.. I know not all of them infantilise themselves. The only one i watch sometimes is cyyu, because he is a VA...and the bits i see on his collab, its pretty normal..seems like adults having fun talking/playing games
Iron mouse does not use her voice to infantilize in any way. She is one of the most sweetest vtubers out there who does alot of good. Even heavily raises awareness for common variable immunodeficiency, which she sadly has.
Only a small portion probably infantilize, but they aren't paid much attention too.
@@RavenMoonFall one should also remember how her voice didn’t start out being squeaky and high UNTIL SHE GOT SUPER SICK and her throat got damaged. So she’s not sounding like that on purpose. She got sick fr!
@@sakiamira still, the point is it’s not really something in her complete control.
ok keyboard psychologist whatever you say
The Pikiame situation wasn’t so that she couldn’t handle the heat. Her graduation was planned months in advance, it was just bad timing really
That's a lie lmao
Que sepamos, la situación hizo que se acelerará su graduación.
Except it exacerbated it as in sped it up as even if it was just bad timing you can not say it did not play a part in it
Vtuber here.
So, I personally use a vtuber because I have a neurological condition that gets worse when I have the camera on my actual face. It's a lot easier for me to use a vtuber to represent myself than to suffer through the pain that my neuro condition inflicts on me (I have tourette syndrome btw and tic triggers are varied and being on camera and knowing I'm being watched just happens to be one of mine). I am incredibly asexual, and I am not a lewdtuber. I don't do it for any sexual reason. I don't want to form any parasocial relationships in which a viewer lusts after me. I use the vtuber because I want to stream, and I want *something* to represent me, but I don't want to make my own health worse in doing so. I know many vtubers in the community who are very sweet and nice people, even if they go more on the lewd side of the spectrum. Many of us just want to provide a fun or chill space to hang out. As for the idea that we're just playing a character and we're not genuine, I find that a lot of people I know in the community are pretty genuine people. Anybody can be disingenuous, regardless of whether they're a vtuber or they show their face openly.
Its also just good for marketing though, having a mascot that people can draw fanart of, and others can ask “hey who’s that character? Lemme look them up-“
as an autistic person, i've been thinking a lot about the vtuber universe because there would be the only way to express myself in a media I have so much interest in ;; thank you for this comment
I just don't want to be on camera, simple as that 🤷♀️ I am also an animator and 3D modeller
This platform allows me to be a creator and streamer while showing off my skills in the medium.
We're not all fake and putting on a personality, no one cares when a guy has a high voice 🙄 girls have it too and having to hear how "fake" I am for sounding the way I do gets really tiring.. I cannot help it😢
How did i find you? Literally i was not expecting to see you in a UA-cam comment section
I’ve never seen Quin before but my first impression was “he looks like a stereotypical white incel so of course he’s gonna be upset about a bunch of successful women.” 😂
He's not an incel. More of a tryhard misogynist like Sneako.
I kind of want to see his views on Male vtubers
I thought he might actually have a point, then I heard his views on women and I knew the real reason he hated the vtubers he saw
nah hes right and ur just malding B)
Sorry, thought you meant FoxAkimbo. 😱
V tubers are similar to E girls or other Internet personalities. It feels like the main reason why people have an issue with it is just because you can’t see their face. From what I’ve seen most V tubers don’t intentionally sexualize themselves, it’s their fandom. Just like any other fandom you’re gonna get people who want to make horny fan art of a character they find attractive. Now some V tubers do have a more adult aimed audience but it’s usually fairly tame from what I’ve seen at least content wise. I think it’s silly that people get upset about people hiding behind a character or persona. People have done this for a very long time it’s just that it’s become easier. No one is truly themselves we all act a bit different when we’re with specific groups. We all play a character even if it’s in very minor fashion. It feels like people hate fun. Why hate on people who are having fun with what they’re doing? I can’t imagine being so miserable you go out of your way to bother people like V tubers or Furries.
if there's one personal thing I go by is that no matter what only bully the degenerates
@@MadWatcher Honestly that can apply to any fandom though. I’m a furry myself and I’ve met plenty of good ones and plenty of terrible ones. I’m also in the anime community and some gaming ones and the same can be said for all of those. Most furries or people who do cosplay are looking for a way to be comfortable. A lot of them just have social anxiety and it’s easier to present as a character since it’s more comfortable.
In Pikamee's case, it was planned for months in advance as stated by her vtuber friends, and I think even she said it was planned for a while before the legacy drama.
Still the harassment did play a part in the graduation happening sooner then later
@zacharyallbrook5162 As far as I know, it was planned for the anniversary all along. The only activity affected by the harassment and bullying was her sooner return to streaming as well as her mental health, I'd assume. But I don't think the bullying really had anything to do with her graduation. It was just a massively unfortunate coincidence that should've never happened.
Yea, if you actually do a little digging, you can find quite a bit of evidence showing that this decision was made prior to the drama. Even Gyari emphasized that this decision was made a long time ago, although it's likely that he can't elaborate for privacy reasons. Her graduation date coincided with the end of the financial year in Japan, so it's unlikely that the drama even caused her depart sooner. People are just latching on to things to blame, because nobody really knows why.
It could just be the case that she got sick of streaming and wanted to move on with her life.
The Harrassment was still awful.
People who do this deserve a punishment
It is. It's a bizarre coincidence mostly, but nonetheless harassment is still made and shouldn't be tolerated.
the thing to know about Pikamee is, she is a victim of bullying in real life which turn her into a shut in which is why she became a vtuber as that is pretty much her only job... and the monsters that is know as the trans community bully her online which bring back panful experience, so she quit.... I really hope she is o.k mentally as Pikamee isnt like Kson which can deal with anything...
Really don’t get why people put the the whole Trans community as the guilty party, and not just specifically her haters, I mean not all the Trans community supports what happened to her
The Pikamee one has a good ending because she came back under a new persona called Henya.
Tbh Pikamee was planning to leave a month or two pior to the whole HL thing, but sadly the HL issue only added to the many reasons why she chose to stop.
As a PNGtuber, I do not use a voice changer but yes my personality does change so I can be someone's background noise when they are stuck at work. Also I've very camera shy so having a creation to puppet over my IRL self, it makes it easier for me to open up and feel safe.
She wasn't gonna leave
For anyone who's curious, the fursuiter at 10:10 is Aurora Bloom! Her suits are super cute and high quality, I believe the one shown in the image was her very first.
I'm not interested personally in fursuits, but as a fellow artist I would like to thank you for sharing their information ❤
Great video, felt like you researched the topic more than expected for outsider coverage. Good job!
The big thing with Pikamee at least for her, I can't speak on Silvervale as I don't know anything about the talent behind the persona, is that she has some IRL baggage. Pikamee had revealed that she had been severely bullied in Japan for being a hafu, half Japanese and half (anything else realistically, but in her case) American by both peers and teachers alike where she had to both dye her hair and buy color contacts to just blend in and eventually became a NEET for a time. It was only with streaming that she actually stopped being a NEET and made friends for the first time in a very long time. I'm fairly certain while she was considering quitting for other unrelated reasons prior to the drama as everyone moves from job to job all the time when they feel like they've made their impact and want to move on, it was still going to be far off since at the beginning of the year she said her year milestone goals were to make it to 1 million subs on UA-cam and get through at least 30 games in her Steam library. That doesn't sound like someone who was going to quit any time soon and would be a hard press in 90 days without the month-long break she took. The unwarranted harassment likely expedited any plans to retire from later to sooner; and while people claim to it being planned, there was an entire month of silence and her talking to people, including the VOMs project owner, behind the scenes. This also probably brought on PTSD moments as well though we have to assume or speculate as it was never officially confirmed and I wouldn't blame her from not saying anything.
Another thing too to take into consideration is what we consider news over in the West doesn't even make it into headlines in the East. Things about Rowling? No articles made the rounds over there, maybe one or two perhaps, but none made traction like they do over here. Even looking at an older stream where she collabed with Kson prior to the year, she and Kson were unawares and this was despite people in the chat going "ono" and the like, and Kson is also a EN crossover VTuber as well but lives in Japan. Some may argue that "they should have looked into it", but isn't that victim blaming? Listen, if you don't like Rowling (and I don't either for many other reasons including the retconning), that's fine. If you like her works because you can participate in "Death of the Author" and appreciate the time you had with those works, that's also fine. You can boycott all past and future projects involving the Potterverse all you want and more power to you; in the same way that people are boycotting Bud Light for their current marketing stunt. I don't like Bud Light, it tastes like piss water mixed with wheat; but that doesn't mean I'll go harass someone drinking it as that's just stupid. The harassment, death threats, and doxxing that was made against Pikamee was unwarranted, in the same way that death threats and doxxing (and by proxy harassment) towards LGBT streamers is unwarranted; you have to call out all sides of this stuff because all this did was cause the pendulum to swing the other way, these morons perpetuated the cycle once more as people on the /vt/ board on the Chans are going after those who harassed Pikamee and they're guaranteed to be a small subset of her audience. And while I don't support this action in one way or another, they turned a wholesome community who didn't care what you were into an outright Warhammer 40k Space Marine chapter overnight.
Another thing to take into consideration is that LGBT issues aren't seen on the same level in Japan as they are in the West. For many that are in her audience, this was their first exposure to that community and it has left a very, very bad impression with them. Fox is right about something, Pikamee does have a large reach, but not in the way he expects. She is friends with a lot of other VTubers in various agencies including the big agencies: Hololive through Ina, VShojo through both Ironmouse and Kson, and Nijisanji through Pomu. While I'm sure they all have their own views on the politics but don't show them as that'd discourage new people from watching them (and just a poor business practice in general when you're an entertainer), they all knew it was uncalled for and their audiences that watch them religiously and follow their socials know this as well expanding this ripple to borderline waves levels of impact.
The last thing I want to leave is this: Pikamee didn't stop getting harassed after capitulating to these people nor even after she retired as there are still nutjobs going out of their way to harass a person they can no longer ping officially. For example, one person who was recently suspended on Twitter threatened "grave bodily harm" (changed for potential TOS stuff, but a felony for which you can get like 10 years-life for if not capital punishment depending on your country or even state) to her while she streams with her avatar smiling and there were people still supporting that type of disgusting behavior. If you're in these communities and you notice people doing this, no matter who they are, call them out for it publically because all they're doing is draging you down in the mud for cheap internet points. I don't like harassment no matter who you are or if we politically disagree on everything. The fact that this isn't common sense anymore is a borderline "doomerpill" at times.
The sad part is that no one really cared about Hogwarts or her views on trans people. It was just a bunch of no-lifers who like to use "woke" as a protective wall to harass and abuse people they don't like for whatever reason. Nothing dealt more damage to the Trans community than these bunch of losers.
She had planned to graduate for months before she even said anything about HL.
It's delusional to think that had anything to do with her graduation.
Very proud of how you handled the hogwrts legacy, and you hit all the points. However, JKR has self identified as a TERF, nobody is claiming anything at this point.
She's a feminist. "TERFs" aren't real.
Yeah, she's awful, screw JK. Made me hate the leftists I usually agree with when they decided to drag the entire trans community into a war with regular gamers. Even if they had good points, dogpiling on popular talents only turns those fans against you.
@@MegaSimmaster true, but can't help to think of how tame the bullying was compared to the bullying that constantly happens to Trans people. No sympathy for the people who gave a racist TERF money for an antisemitic game 🤷♂️ They were made aware and were too weak to simply not consume media, of COURSE they were too weak to take the heat.
@@MegaSimmaster The problem is, said twitter warriors are using twitter on the reg who is owned by somebody far worse than JK rowling. (seriously, musk has views that are borderline white supremacy and has disowned his child for coming out as trans).
@@MegaSimmaster facts. These people on Twitter dogpiling are just wrong
As a Vtuber, it's sort of a form of self-expressive performance art. While I do play up parts of who I am for the sake of the character, a lot of it is just how I am when I'm hanging out with my friends, and it's something that has allowed me to get over my social anxiety somewhat.
On the Pikamee business; she actually had her graduation decided way before the Hogwarts nonsense, like all the way back in January, and there's evidence to suggest a majority of her harrassers were larping trolls trying to make transgender people look bad
You can say her graduation was already planned, but you're not gonna try to change the story of who was harassing people. A majority of them were trolls? No way.
There was evidence of her having made plans for future projects that would've happened after her graduation. At the very least, her graduation was accelerated because of what happened,
No way the majority of them were trolls. That's not how the internet works. Its full of people fueled by the desire to hate and harass. Statistically speaking, less than 20% of them are trolls, and the other 90% are genuinely people who are "pro-trans", but just plain assholes in real life. But here's the other thing, they only account for less than 5% of the "pro-trans" community. They maybe the most vocal and basically the worst part of any community, but they are still part of it.
So don't try to paint this as some psy-op, or that there aren't that many losers in a community. No, they are there, present in any community, and ready to make their hate and harassment be known, even at the cost of public goodwill toward their community. We've all seen it before, and we will see it again.
Was honestly not expecting to see you upload something like this but man am I quite happy about it.
Using an avatar is no different from putting on a personality to stream with. People who decide to use an avatar can do so for various reasons, from privacy to simple comfort. It's not cheating at all since they need to use other gear for tracking, and they have to either commission their models and rigging, or make it themselves. There's also the case of Zentrya, since she communicated through Notepad until she started using TTS so she wouldn't be recognized by her voice -- a real possibility for VTubers out in the world.
Ironmouse is another special case, since she doesn't want to show viewers herself hooked up to her medical support equipment and depress them. She's said before she doesn't feel more like herself than when she's streaming with her VTuber avatars. Even her voice is the result of her physical condition, but she also tells us that if she is capable of such great things despite being bedridden most of the time, we really have no excuse to go after what we want, too.
As for authenticity, it doesn't really matter whether someone uses an avatar or not, they can still be authentic. It all depends on the personality, not the presentation. So sure, you can attract people to your stream with your looks, but they don't stay if they don't like your personality quirks or what you're saying or doing. That's why the fad where famous creators were getting their own avatars didn't last long. Meanwhile, creators like Projekt Melody, Shylily, Vox Akuma, and more can have over a million subscribers. Because people like _them_ and not just their avatars. _Any_ creator can accomplish this if that's what they want to do, avatar or none.
The case of Pikamee is more unfortunate than one might think at first: as a Half, she fit in neither Japanese nor American schools. VTubing was one of the few places she felt she truly fit in and belonged, and she said it was one of the things she wanted to keep doing as long as she could. Obviously her graduation was something that was long in the planning, and she'd have gone through it anyway within the year or so... but the hate she received simply for _saying_ she was going to stream a simple game accelerated those plans. And even then she took nearly a month to make that decision. She deserves none of the hate, and while Silvervale never intended 'Twitter freaks' to become a meme, she's no less right for calling them that as a result of their rampant overreaction.
Besides, Rowling gets a lot more money through Universal Studio tickets, LEGO, her publishers, than an ancilliarily-related game. And she'll get more because of the TV series reboot they're gonna do. She's already rich beyond the Twits' imaginings anyway. Nothing they do is going to affect Rowling, regardless of what you might believe about what she said about female spaces and competition as they relate to the trans community.
It’s creepy
For me it really depends on the vtuber, some of them very much sexualise themselves but not all of them are like that
Which is a fair take. Yeah, some do more sexual stuff. Doesn't mean they're bad people, just means they're horny and found a way to make money from it. I'm friends with people from all parts of the vtubing world, and I know it's easy to see all the drama and whatever and assume we're all bad. But We're really not, and I wish people would stop assuming and lumping us all in with the bad people.
"If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen."
So its fair game to gang up and organize harrasment for Vtubers, but when I don't want to play pretend with mentally ill men that think they are women, I'M crossing the line?
Trans isn’t a mental illness
If you're going to say stupid shit say it to these people so they know who you are instead of cowering behind the web.
In my opinion vtubing is the next step in video creation with avatars. Think of the early to mid 2000's, and how many UA-camrs hid behind an avatar for years before doing a face reveal? In your video you stated that no one shows their true self, unless behind closed doors. Sometimes they even put up a front there. Vtubing is like any other influencer position, and we only get to see what they want us to see.
As a vtuber that gives off mom vibes, I find it interesting that the most popular outsider take is "All vtubers pretend to be little girls for money". Like, you have to legit ignore all the different types.
Self expression seems to get ignored as a major reason for vtubing.
Good point
Yes i think adult vtubers and kid vtubers are cool, but there definitely vtuber who talk/look like kids but say some really innipropiate things which i personally think is wrong
@@berserkagain7976 Yeah those people do exist. I personally am not a fan of that. But honestly I'm not sure what can be done about it.
It’s more white people doing anime pedo shit
Quinn is a misogynist. so obviously he has zero nuance
love your videos we need a video on banned clickbait youtubers
Great video as always.
With the Pikamee situation, she had mentioned previously (a few months prior) that she had been planning to graduate at some point soon (not giving a definite time frame though)
You know, I saw a lot of people planning to identify and then target the people who harassed Pikamee, while glancing various social media sites like Twitter (which has always been a site where people get riled up. I, of course, did nothing to stop it. You reap what you sow. I merely did my best to dissuade some of the more crazed from targeting innocent members of the LGBT community, making sure their hatred was directed towards those that deserved it instead. When things like this happen, backlash is inevitable, and the fires of anger this generates cannot easily be extinguished. It is far more easy to simply try and draw their attention away from the innocent and make sure they target the people in the wrong. Even this isn’t easy, however. Some people still blamed the LGBT community as a whole, though I did my best to talk the ones I ran into down. I honestly hope that the people who did that to that poor VTuber realize that they did far more harm to the LGBT community than any stupid game ever could. I also hope they if they haven’t already, that they get what is coming to them. What they did was sickening.
i get the idea of "if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen" but at the same time... 1. the majority of these haters where western people pulling their standard crap of hating anything they dont agree with and 2. many creators actually got death threats over simply playing a game and i feel anyone who stops making content after a death threat is 100% justified in doing so... you just never know if one of these people are actually serious.
i want to add that i in no way think this is a bad video i just wanted to point out that i personally think that in this situation people quitting their livelyhood over deaththreats and or severe accusations against them is warrented because its not worth the risk to themselves as there is always possibilities of being doxxed or worse
Really annoyed by the inclusion of the Pikamee story, because whilst the specific reason for her quitting was never publicly disclosed, even a slight amount of digging would show that the decision was made long before the Hogwarts Legacy drama. Gyari, the head of the VOMs project did a stream in which he emphasized that the decision was made a long time ago, and yet people are still running with this as the prevailing narrative.
The thing is that people don't care what the real reason is
@@ca_lcium That's why it's annoying that they'll just make up a reason, especially since that made-up reason implicates the trans community.
@@RinabowBoo-hoo, those freaks harassed her to no end nonetheless.
nice video! keep it up man.
I found it ironic that a VTuber ad somehow shows up before the video starts lol
Great job on the new video
tbh with quin69's views I don't take serious anymore, after him "trying" out final fantasy 14, I now just see them as ramblings of someone who doesn't know what he is talking about, or believe what he is saying because he also want to start some drama.
This is an interesting video and there's been a lot of hell fire that's happened in the VTubing scene since then. I'm a little surprised you said Kizuna AI is the first VTuber, when she technically isn't. She's the first creator to coin the word "VTuber", but there's a lot of videos covering topics on who the "first vtuber" was. I'm being nit-picky, but you seem like the kind of person who tries to be thorough with your videos :p
it's also been confirmed that Pikamee had planned on graduating before Hogwarts, but it just expedited it. She is currently in Vshojo now and it's been rumored she had a contract lined up with Vshojo before this Hogwarts situation....so saying "if you cant handle the heat, get out of the kitchen" about Pikamee is a little insensitive and it's probably why people in the comments are getting snippy about it. Also she had to delete all of her content because VOMS is an a group (or agency? its not really confirmed) and but they act like every vtuber agency, where if a talent graduates, they delete all of their video content on their youtube channel and lock their twitter account. That's a very common thing to do for corporate VTubers.
Silvervale broke down and cried because Froot who was supposed to be her friend told her "we all make mistakes" meaning she did NOT support Silvervale through all of the Hogwarts harassment. Slivervale left Vshojo and released a clip talking about how she felt like her friends left her to fend for herself and they only wanted to talk to her when it was related to business. I don't think it was necessarily the Hogwarts harassment entirely, but the fact that she had to face the harassment alone and then someone who was supposed to be her friend shrugged it all off as "we all make mistakes"
I find the research paper and vtuber authenticity interesting, considering you as a youtuber are playing a persona. Twitch streamers and pretty much any influencer are playing some sort of character or persona. The difference with VTubers is that you just can't tie a flesh face to the avatar...and that upsets people. It makes it harder to doxx us, stalk us, or harrass us in public and for some reason people use that as a reason to dunk on us. It's pretty weird.
Overall I like your coverage on this, I knew all of these except the last one (cuz ya that's pretty crazy) and it's inspired me to make my own version!!!
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate all forms of constructive criticism, so to hear some from someone within the community goes a long way. Good luck with your own version!
Don't forget Ironmouse was basically bullied by her chat to say something about Silvervale bullying which she probably wouldn't have knowing how she behave and in the end she just said "harassment is bad"
I think Pikamee was already planning to graduate before the whole Hogwarts Legacy fiasco, but that happening right around that time didn't help anything for sure
Silvervale, idk her breakdown felt very forced and dramatically acted to me personally
Honestly, I can totally see that actually.
Yeah, THERE'S a surprise. Silvervale is a tapeworm.
I mean people think it was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but yeah I remember Pomu saying that 🤔
The pikamee one is very saddening.
I can't remember how far back in time, but I remember seeing either a poster or a ad banner that was advertising the US Marines but it was an anime girl in formal US marine attire.
I enjoyed the video. I expected just hate rowards them or something, but it was very well made and researched. Gonna have to check more of your videos
I’m sorry but seeing him saying Nyanners’ name wrong made me cackle so hard
Cringe 😂
@@jonathanashbrook5083 are you laughing at me or with me?
People argue about VTubers being fake and putting on a persona for their videos and streams...Okay...but when Actors do it for movies or series then it's no issue?
In Depth analysis on the dark and Shady side on being a well known V Tubers on UA-cam has both positive and negative aspects. tubers are just regular individuals who love and enjoy sharing what they love with Viewers and audiences alike
in the splatoon drama, i didnt expect nintendo to respond, the competition was kinda goofy, idk what come across their mind when they were preparing to start the livestream
WHAT IS THIS THUMBNAIL!?!?
That's some high quality level of antagonization. I like it
I was so happy with how the thumbnail came out, one of my best for sure
@@FoxAkimbo I like to hear that
i remember my favourite vtuber was rating our pfps and i was first to be rated and he said mine looked like i was 7 😔anyway a few days after that his friend got into drama and he never streamed again
Dude i love your videos
Don't agree with your Pikamee statement given her past history of being bullied in Japan when she went to school for being a hafu (half Japanese American) and basically the Hogwarts garbage just bringing back some bad memories, not everyone is strong and "that heat" wasn't normal heat if you actually dug into it more, I'll give you a pass since you're not too familiar with the Vtuber sphere but just keep that in mind, just like the vtubers themselves some situations have a lot more depth
I think he was just trying to present multiple sides.
True..i dont at all agree with what happened to her... Jk is an awful person, but really she already bought the game, AFAIK it was planned long before, and the vtuber herself is not jk
@@mistertagomago7974 True from an outside perspective it seems that way but a lot of Vtubers are vtubers because the avatar is a way to mask a lot of insecurities and issues they have, that's why some of them even act out a character for their avatar (this is of course for the Vtubers that aren't in a company)
Just because your job is on internet doesn't mean that you have too bullying proof. There is no excuse to those people who harass pikamee.
At least vtubers have eyebrows quin
if SunnyV2 cosplayed as James Codon but only had 10 minutes to shop at the good will you'd end up with is guy. haha
I'm only playing, keep up the good work guy!
You know what I'll take it 🤣
I sure live in interesting times. Watching humanity devolve before it's inevitable extinction is quite amazing. The growing trend of denying or hiding from reality is also very sad.
My first time hearing about Quin's rant, and as a vtuber/former vtuber (laptop is acting up, can't stream, long story), I think I'll give my two cents.
First and foremost, I do think to *some* extent, he's not wrong. Yes, there are people in the vtubing space that are exactly as he says, both in reference to the streamer and the people watching the streamer. However, he seems to have it in his head that it's that way all across the board. Which, at least in my experience, is not the case at all. Not every vtuber is a person “using a fake voice and trying to sound like a 13-year-old”, which was a very ignorant and bad take, even if it does apply to some people in the community. A lot of people who vtube do it for a plethora of reasons. Some are scared to show their face, some do it for a creative outlet sorta thing, and others do it just because it's fun. There are more reasons than just what I've said, but the point I am trying to make is that not all of us are eGirls looking for simp money, or whatever.
Hell, I know several who aren't even lewd at all. One of them is literally a sister/nun (not sure what the difference is) and plays doom on stream and does bible study. There are so many people in the vtubing community, and a lot of them are wholesome, cool af people. Yes, we have our bad apples in the orchard, but the same can be said about any group of humans, regardless of sex, gender, creed, race, job, etc etc. I think Quin and his hate mob need to grasp the concept of maybe getting to know a community before judging it based on the most famous/infamous examples from said community. Because lumping us all together like that is stupid, and it makes you look like an ignorant douche. I mean, humankind has given birth to shitty people to all sorts of degrees. Does that make us *all* bad? No. It just means a lot of us are.
And regarding the voice thing, my voice is deep enough to make people's headsets vibrate, and I'm 27, so I'm not sure where he got the notion we all sound like 13-year-olds LMAO
Do not give misogynist trash like Quinn any credit, even if there are VTubers like he described them, you should know he only gave that description because of his hatred towards women
About this Quin rant.. So many of these haters have NO idea about idol culture and it shows, it is such a big big part of Vtubing and ppl are HIRED to play roles (aka holo, niji) its PART of the entire thing they're not just streamers for the most part. Not to say that just because they play a role, they are not authentic, god no, anyone who actually watches vtubers knows as much. Yeah there are ppl with fake voice and problematic avatars but they are by far a minority. This dude just mad jealous
PS: there is no harm in using a fake voice. Its an art form called voice acting for a (Vtuber) character - sooo idfk why ppl get so pressed about that.
let’s go new video!! 😎
the splatoon part is just aaaaa
also i love splatoon and
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its ink
I will never understand the double standard logic of some people who preach for everyone's rights, equality and positive stuff but then will not hesitate to harass and bully others who may think differently. Do they just completely lack self-awareness, or do they think their harassment is justified because someone else wronged them? Two wrongs don't make a right
Can't believe he didn't put the Nux thing in here, cause that stuff was just nuts
Nux Taku is a pngtuber, not a vtuber... and I've watched a lot of videos of his related to anime
@@carlycarmine3858 he's a vtuber, been one for a while now
@@svenkrisenberg6684 I used to watch him during his pngtuber days, namely his "very sarcastic anime descriptions" series
@@carlycarmine3858 I understand that, but he is a vtuber now
@@svenkrisenberg6684 Yup, he evolved into one
the irony in the quinn whatever guy getting mad at girls (who aren't even the vtubers that are the majority) for infantilizing themselves to get money from incel weebs is insane after hearing his comments on women. it's so clear he's projecting and i'm not gonna slide past what he said. his thoughts on women are disgusting. no wonder he's mad. his chat was problem saying they live in his head rent free because of his past pathetic behavior. hope he's still mad. hope it keeps him up at night. hope it makes his ears ring.
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Thanks watching them! ❤️
Authenticity segment is a bit laughable, because it is not really about Vtubers, but about streamers on general. A lot of "real face" streamers or content creators also play some kind of role while they are on stream or doing a video. We see it a lot lately. and on the other hand, i have seen Vtubers who are more open about they life then streamers, just because they can and know they will not be stalked soo easily if they open up.
There’s weirdos in every group. I see no problem with vtubers as a whole
I don't understand the complaints about it being unfair that vtubers get to change whatever. It's like complaining that a fictional book makes more sales than non fiction...
I'm surprised you didn't mention Nux.
I like watching Iron Mouse clips.... I'm a married woman in her 20s 😅
2 kids
Incels or MGTOW can't even say I'm fat.
I think it's just another personality that gives that love for anime girls. I'd call it closer to voice acting with their pitches. Not a fair compar because it does take skill to match mouth flaps as opposed to the avatar AI matching YOU.
Harry Potter having erectile dysfunction was just a satire article from what I can find, and from what I've read, Pikamee's graduation was already planned before the whole HP drama.
People are still attacking pikamee and threatening her life still. It's really really disgusting.
also a lot of chinese vtubers have done some shady things as well, the whole artia / holo cn thing is what immediately comes to mind but also that one clip that went viral a while back of a chinese vtuber on bilibili having a silhouette of a black man behind her, repeatedly calling him the n word and giving him an asset of a basket "to pick cotton"
Cool video bro
I feel like the whole mess with WACTOR deserves to be on this list since it's an employer doxxing their talents. I think they have no talents at this point, most left and became independent. Under the section title "Talent Doxxing and Harassment by The Company They Used to Work For".
They have talents still, just a massively reduced amount, some gens only have 1 left
As someone who doesn't watch vtubers really, I think that that streamer who went on a rant is completely in the wrong. Vtubers are putting on a front for the world, but isn't everyone? It's the exact same as not putting your face on your videos, which many successful UA-camrs started out with. It's a persona, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Fun fact, a BIG part of the FFXIV community clowns on Quin69 to this day I believe. He's not a very well-liked individual to my knowledge in most communities outside of WoW (if he plays that game still)
Quin69 look like the definition of " keep your kid away from it"
“Have you ever heard of a game called Splatoon?”
Bro I’m quite literally playing it rn 😭
As a splatoon fan, I remember when this had first happened.
I remember Nintendo made a post about inappropriate stuff in their games, but didn’t say any names.
"The rot of this place cannot be cured..."- King of the Legion, when will a King of the legion vtuber come?
The 1st one was a funny idea, but obviously, it shouldn't have been done on youtube or somewhere where kids could be watching
14:30 to be honest, this doesn't apply just to vtubers, this apply's to every person also in RL.
A TikToket who murdered his ex-wife, even though they had a daughter together.
A guy making videos about how to treat a dog the right way (saying violence is not an answer) getting a lot of Fame for it, but then accidentally uploaded an uncut video of herself hitting, spitting and pushing her doberman dog around, showing off the hypocrisy of herself and that she is abusive.
Or the hypocrisy of ppl protecting Hasbulla after he posted a video of him abusing his cat, just because this 20year old guy looks like a toddler... Of course him looking young alowes him to be and do hateful awful things he is totally aware of, I don't want to mention the politicians he has friends like contacted with who are known misogynistic, and even murderous men who have blood on their hands.
Shall I mention that Hasbulla said that he is really religious about Islam, I as a Muslim can assure you, he is not, hitting and abusing a cat is prohibited, a woman got all her sins forgiven because she shared her water with a cat.
Being good and protective to the weak and endangered is the main message of Islam.
But surely they don't care how the prophet thought, how he said that the woman who are the best Camel riders, are also the best women, the prophet had just good thoughts about independent woman, his first wife was one of them, almost 15years older then him, and had her own business, he stayed loyal to her, but misogynists who are now on the power won't acknowledge that!
In regards to Pikamee, the VOMS statement said that her graduation was decided back before she had decided to play Hogwarts/take an online hiatus in February. That being said, the fact that she was bullied so hard that she choose to leave the internet two months before her apparently planned debuted is really a horrible point for the Vtuber community. Her graduation could have been a final blaze of glory, but I feel like most people didn't see it that way because of the HL stuff. I miss her, greatly, and I think she deserved better in her last months
Looks at Quinn who is a clear garbage human being
"He did not directly tell people to go harass VTubers"
ARE YOU SERIOUS MY DUDE, QUINN SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
Like Nux Taku I too am pissed off about Pikamee's early graduation. But also sad.
I had no idea what a Vtuber was, but I could see the appeal of playing a character. I'm not so into the anime thing, but if creating something with a theme I could see a specific character to market that rather than just "myself".
>talks about vtubers reaching worldwide
>shows Punkalopi
I love your shirt😳😳
One of the shittiest things about Pikamee's ordeal is that Japanese people largely aren't aware of Rowling's transgressions. Moreover, the concept of "trans rights" isn't as advanced here. The government is still coming to terms with gays existing. Obviously anyone in their right mind who's aware of the situation wouldn't want to support Rowling, but pressing your beliefs without informing is extremely toxic and horrendous.
As a previous v-tuber, uh... Yeah didn't fake my voice and everyone had seen my face I was just too lazy to be on camera 😂 thankfully I only use the avi if I stream when I'm sick so I don't have to be on cam. ❤️❤️
Love your content bro❤
Thanks bro
Everybody let's agreed that we can call this chaos Splatoon
Finally a Vtuber video that criticizes aspects of the industry without shitting on vtubers as a whole. I've seen quite a few videos where the presenter tried to paint vtubers as fake, clout chasing assholes and Vtuber fans as pedo neck beards.
Theres a lot of art commentary, even normal commentary channels with an animated avatar which I don't see as that drastic of a difference. Obviously depends on how the characters being played but as far as ive seen theres a few who do just treat it as an avatar and not much more