In my current playthrough, I visited him with Karlach in my party and he said something along the lines of "I can't believe you'e been traveling with Karlach this entire time and haven't yet told her you were one of my nearest and dearest?" Liiike I'm not going to assume they had history like that but I AM going to assume they had history like THAT. 😏
@@celestebigaignon6054 He's charming and has a way with words. The term can apply to that as well and since he could actually achieve a never before seen status in Baldur's Gate I think it's good enough
@@frollino93 oh please don’t get me wrong, there’s a certain appeal to Gortash, just like there was to the Loviatar man. I 100% get the DurgTash ships, as he’s different with Durge as apposed to Tav’s. Hé was just not what I was imagining as ‘handsome’ when they described him. As everyone else was spot on, I’ve heard that people believe that’s from the Durge’s POV that they just forgot to change
there seriously needs to be a ending with Gortash and Durge. From what i can gather they were very close prior to Orin's brain scramble. a rekindled "romance" if i can romance a damn mind flayer then i bloody damn well want Gortash aswell!
They were only close because of their plans for the Elder Brain together. Remember that Dark Utge is every bit as twisted as Orin - except in a more controlled manner. Though he does hint at _something_ about Orin: “I knew it would be risky to give one of the Netherstones to that loose catapult Orin, but when I look in her eyes I feel something, though I'm not sure what to call it -“ (This is from a journal of his)
@@EmDaMo there’s a lot of intentional vagueness in the backstory of the dark urge to allow as much freedom to role play as possible, but we know from letters written by both characters that there was genuine affection and admiration on both sides. So much of dark urge is open to interpretation/elaboration that I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to imagine them having romantic feelings for one another, even if Gortash was also crushing on Orin at one point. Maybe he has a thing for bhaalspawn.
@@EmDaMo I mean, there's implications that they were close beyond mere co-conspirators, at least as friends. Notably, Durge admired Gortash enough that they felt the need to pray to Bhaal for forgiveness, and Gortash's entire demeanour changes around Durge. I don't think a past romance is that much of a stretch. Too bad Larian absolutely gave up when it came to Gortash lmao.
@@suenzhong7891 what notes have you make this assumption? Just because he greets them with enthusiasm doesn’t make their relationship an intimate one. Gortash says ‘I tolerated Orin, but I liked you’, because he’s tired of Orin’s antics. People really need to remove those rose coloured glasses and see the story arc for what it is; it’s not in Dark Urge nature to be bothered with love, when he’s literally made purely from Bhaal’s own blood. Desire maybe, but not something so frivolous as love - simply because it doesn’t serve his father’s purpose. Prior to the tadpole he was a calculated mass murdering psycho who indulged in cannibalism(and implied necrophilia), and who made a deal with the two other Chosen - but with the ultimate intent of killing both Gortash and Ketheric too in his father’s name. This is from Gortash journal: “I knew it would be risky to give one of the Netherstones to that loose catapult Orin, but when I look in her eyes I feel something, though I'm not sure what to call it - and after all, what's the point of a grand alliance of the Dead Three without old Bhaal? I thought I could depend on that aged stump Ketheric; however, it never even occurred to me he could be brought down by a random collection of shabby adventurers. Obviously, possession of the Weapon was the key element, but do the vagabonds possess the Weapon or does the Weapon possess them? It's just as the great sages say: a plan will take you only so far, and then you have to fall back on principles. And inasmuch as control is the guiding principle of the committed Banite, it's axiomatic that I must be in control of all three Netherstones. The solution is obvious - pit the vagabonds against the loose catapult, and once they bring me the other two Netherstones, we'll find suitable positions for them in the new order to follow. Not the illithids' Grand Design, of course, but the Golden Reign of Gortash. Yes, that has a nice ring to it. Then we shall deal with our naughty Absolute brain and its growing propensity to throw petulant psionic tantrums. It's no accident that I chose to place it in a domed cavern beneath the Upper City - the location is perfectly formed to concentrate the psychic force of the Netherstones, concentrate it to such a degree that not even our Netherese-enhanced brain will be able to resist my commands. Once I control all three Netherstones, naturally, and the sooner the better.”
@@EmDaMo 1) voice acting direction notes given to Jason Isaacs show that Gortash is fond/genuinely cares about Dark Urge (voice direction for other characters eg: Tav is just for wanting alliance) 2) the in-game note where The Dark Urge ask for forgiveness from Bhaal because they admire Gortash but for Bhaal not to worry because they will kill Gortash (and Ketheric) at the altar. Normally I would just chalk that up to regular admiration and nothing romantic but Balthazar writes an addendum saying Orin was 'right about the Dark Urge' and Orin herself even comments about how much the Dark Urge allowed Gortash to influence them when you fight her.
@@suenzhong7891 But admiration and letting someone influence you doesn’t necessarily mean anything remotely amorous is present. Same goes for fondness. IMO, people just tend to romanticise the character too much, when it’s objectively not(even if it is to some left ambiguous enough to interpret it as such). I honestly just don’t see how a Bhaalspawn of that caliber(or purity) - before tadpole - would be capable of, or have any interest in, actual love or anything beyond the most basic urges. Because fact is that Bhaal is a sick f*** and the same goes for all his followers(I’m looking at you Sarevok), and seeing as Dark Urge was made from daddy dearest himself, why would he be any different? Bhaal’s level of depravity is only compounded by the new epilogue(should you choose to defy your father in the end despite staying a Chosen) - and even more so if you’ve heard the unused ending audio/text file that was data mined of the narrator telling the story of your punishment by him.
By all accounts, Durge was the one to approach him with this grand scheme while he was still playing politics in the shadows. Durge is an immoral scheming bastard after his own heart. Perhaps not lovers, but definitely kindred spirits. Or that wad the impression Durge meant to give, while planning to betray them all along.
This is literally the TikTok audio. “Listen to what Im saying. I can’t stand you” “You missed me” “I hate you” “You missed me and you love me. Why must we fight?” “I hate you” “We’ve got a good thing going you and I. Why must we tussle?”
I love that so many others have my same Durge x Gortash headcanon 😂 Although... spoilers....... You can find a letter in the mind flayer colony that Durge wrote to Bhaal before they were attacked by Orin; they wrote that they admire Gortash for his brilliance, but they plan to murder him (and everyone else) once their plan comes to fruition. Pretty sure Gortash was not aware of THAT part of the plan lol.
Furthermore, he writes there that Gortash will be the second-last person Durge kills, Durge themselves being the last person to depart the world. I dunno man, but hearing from a bhaalspawn that I will be killed last is like a confession
Also because people seem to forget that the Dark Urge is an origin character, so even if you change gender/race, originally it’s a he - and he has only ever had murder on his mind. What’s interesting is Gortash’ journal where he mentions feeling ‘something’ - but not sure what - when looking at Orin.
@@EmDaMoOriginally being a "he" doesn't matter. If you choose to play a female durge you're addressed as being a female. The default options for durge aren't relevant, there's a reason they allow you to customise.
I like how he denies you your titles if you don't go along with his plan, because if you agree from the begging instead of ex cult leader the line goes "I turn to you, the scion of Bhaal; You are his dear Prince - he created you to rule" which from Bane's chosen is the biggest compliment he can give someone, not to mention in front of the nobility.
what proved it to me was the fact that during my regular playthrough, when you kill the steel watch and raid the iron throne to rescue duke ravenguard, if you were aligned with gortash, he cuts you off entirely, and when you meet with him again, it triggers a fight. but in my durge playthough, he was STILL willing to consider a deal even after i did both of those things, a usual dealbreaker for tav. ofc i said no because i had karlach in my party and i wanted him dead but it was quite funny that he was THAT down bad for my little half elf sorcerer twink
i watched this and made me wonder if a romance option was available for him because of this dialogue and i found a reddit thread of people being annoyed ppl want to romance him and say there is no chemistry for the characters and that Gortash didn't act like he wasn't into the durge and im like.... are we watching and listening to the same dialogue? Apparently in moonrise towers you can find a note the durge sent to gortash talking about how they admired him and im like... why the hate? i really dont get it LMAOOO also seems ppl are annoyed ppl wanna romance every character and some even say it devalues the character and im so confused like how does romance "devalue" a person LMAOO
This is a nitpick but it's not a note TO him, it's titled "prayer for forgiveness" and it's directed at Bhaal. Durge is seeking forgiveness from their father for admiring Banes chosen.
i definitely think durge should be able to spare gortash (and orin but i don’t think most would agree with that) but i’m imagining redeemed durge saving the world and promptly plopping gortash in the therapy tank to fix that pesky little “trying to rule the world through brute force” complex of his
I actually think Orin has one of the best chances of redemption. She’s so clearly a brainwashed fanatic, and if you reveal Sarevok’s incest to her, she actually starts to break down and question things and Bhaal has to forcibly turn her into the Slayer. If there was a way to prevent that, I think it could’ve been the equivalent of Shadowheart’s moment with Nightsong that gets her to start thinking more critically about her faith and breaking out of the brainwashing. Not sure if she’d be a good person at the end of that, but she’d at least be her own person, and i find it so tragic that she died at the exact moment she experienced her first taste of true agency in probably her entire life. She’s probably too chaotic for Minthara but id love to read a post-epilogue black buddy comedy of them roadtripping through the underdark turning their murdery ways to good use by fighting Lolth and such. I can definitely see Minty as the “straight man” (in the comedic sense) to Orin’s, uh, Orin.
@@alissapenridge7516 I love Orin as a character so dearly, and it always breaks my heart to kill her. Don’t get me wrong, she’s still very obviously a murderer, but she’s no less redeemable than Durge. She’s not only been brainwashed since birth but has been subjected to brutal humiliation and blatant favoritism on behalf of Bhaal. I guess as the obviously least favorite child a part of her speaks to me and my own feelings of inadequacy, and desperately vying for the love of a parent who will never love you back.
I didn't really expect this video to be getting views lol so if anyone is curious about the other dialogue options and variations of the scene that are in the game, you can check out this video which has them all: ua-cam.com/video/6KFprcDHrI4/v-deo.htmlsi=BwjoI2Yfc9e_tMGT
Every playthrough where I have Karlach on my main squad this man dies. For those I don't... well Wyll may be my conscience but I will admit that Lawful evil plotting can allure me back to my true alignment. Maybe the order of 2 chosen of the dead three can keep this brain under control and keep Bane's hand from overstretching the tyranny. I will see when my Durge gets there but my Tav is already plotting his murder.
With how gortash grew up, I imagine durge is the only person that could come close to a true friend for him, from the journals it's clear they greatly admired each other. my headcanon is pre-Orin durge' while always planning to betray Gortash was going to enjoy whatever they could about being a tyrant until the urge could no longer be contained At that point out of respect, unlike the countless innocents slaughtered in cold blood durge would ofter Gortash a duel and a fighting chance
I personally think that he is retired, just wants some peace and sleep, but because of his own mistakes, and also just bad luck, he keeps needing to be saved.
When he says "Bane teaches his followers to reward those who support his Chosen," but then turns on you if you agree to give him the netherstones. I'm curious, is that some sort of contradiction within his religion? I understand he can't see the protag as an equal if they give him the stones so easy, but attacking/betraying the MC doesn't sound like rewarding them for cooperating xD
@@BloomingFireHeart i see what you say, (fyi he does the same thing whether youre playing durge or not) but why not just rule over them rather than attack/try to kill the MC? If he likes the durge/tav so much, at least they'd still be around and not dead xD Also in the texts, Bane does not ultimately share power anyway- he planned of kicking the other gods out of the grand design once he had enough power, so unless I'm wrong, it's more efficient to Bane that Gortash subjugate the MC rather than killing them outright. Just seems counter to both Gortash's wants/needs, as well as Bane's
It's a test to see if you're/you've become gullible. If you don't hand over the netherstones, he praises you for seeing through his scheme/being skeptical.
![Gortash and Dark Urge meeting, with Companion Reactions [Spoilers]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MALvzZZwEy8/mqdefault.jpg)
“Once she unblocks me the wedding is back on!” -Lord Enver “Bhaalspawn got me acting Unwise” Gortash
LMAO
😂🤣 This funnier if you lived through it
LMAOOOOOOO BEST COMMENT
"I tolerated Orin, but I liked you" Sure, 'liked' them
@adertors Oh my god they were roomates
Durge: No.
Gortash: Counteroffer.
He truly doesn't give up. Gortash wants his ex back, dammit
Lmao, okay, NOW I understand all the Durge/Gortash shipping. Man’s got it bad for the bhaalspawn.
Ex who doesn't realize he's the ex
Omg he won’t stop smiling
He's so happy to see Durge
Menace turned into a puppy in an instant
In my current playthrough, I visited him with Karlach in my party and he said something along the lines of "I can't believe you'e been traveling with Karlach this entire time and haven't yet told her you were one of my nearest and dearest?" Liiike I'm not going to assume they had history like that but I AM going to assume they had history like THAT. 😏
No no no my Durge does not associate with this “handsome” young man
Mine does 😌
@@Mia95136so cheated with the ‘handsome’ description. Looks like he never grew up from his goth phase
@@celestebigaignon6054 He's charming and has a way with words. The term can apply to that as well and since he could actually achieve a never before seen status in Baldur's Gate I think it's good enough
@@frollino93 oh please don’t get me wrong, there’s a certain appeal to Gortash, just like there was to the Loviatar man. I 100% get the DurgTash ships, as he’s different with Durge as apposed to Tav’s. Hé was just not what I was imagining as ‘handsome’ when they described him. As everyone else was spot on, I’ve heard that people believe that’s from the Durge’s POV that they just forgot to change
I bet he thinks of Durge in the shower
Larian why can we romance the squid but not him? 😭
this so much, or at least give us the chance of an end where our alliance succeeds...
I was hoping there would be more of him than just meeting him once to twice max.
And that's the question which is even more important than "to be or not to be"
there seriously needs to be a ending with Gortash and Durge. From what i can gather they were very close prior to Orin's brain scramble.
a rekindled "romance" if i can romance a damn mind flayer then i bloody damn well want Gortash aswell!
I’d love to have even a single scene with him like with the emperor…maybe an option to spend a night with him after killing Orin
They were only close because of their plans for the Elder Brain together. Remember that Dark Utge is every bit as twisted as Orin - except in a more controlled manner. Though he does hint at _something_ about Orin:
“I knew it would be risky to give one of the Netherstones to that loose catapult Orin, but when I look in her eyes I feel something, though I'm not sure what to call it -“
(This is from a journal of his)
@@EmDaMo there’s a lot of intentional vagueness in the backstory of the dark urge to allow as much freedom to role play as possible, but we know from letters written by both characters that there was genuine affection and admiration on both sides. So much of dark urge is open to interpretation/elaboration that I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch to imagine them having romantic feelings for one another, even if Gortash was also crushing on Orin at one point. Maybe he has a thing for bhaalspawn.
"romance a mind flayer" nah his ass just manipulating you with that tentaclussy
@@EmDaMo I mean, there's implications that they were close beyond mere co-conspirators, at least as friends. Notably, Durge admired Gortash enough that they felt the need to pray to Bhaal for forgiveness, and Gortash's entire demeanour changes around Durge. I don't think a past romance is that much of a stretch. Too bad Larian absolutely gave up when it came to Gortash lmao.
Man, congrats to Jason Isaacs. He's nailed the role of Slimy Bastard.
Once again
Slimy hot bastard
@@boxedlife789I was just about to comment just that
The man became a puppy the second Durge walked into his line of sight
Gortash is Durge's ex boyfriend for sure
Nah, the game canon doesn’t match up. Especially because Dark Urge is an origin character(even if you can customise gender, race and appearance).
@@EmDaMo several written notes and the way he greets Dark Urge in game beg to differ
@@suenzhong7891 what notes have you make this assumption? Just because he greets them with enthusiasm doesn’t make their relationship an intimate one. Gortash says ‘I tolerated Orin, but I liked you’, because he’s tired of Orin’s antics.
People really need to remove those rose coloured glasses and see the story arc for what it is; it’s not in Dark Urge nature to be bothered with love, when he’s literally made purely from Bhaal’s own blood. Desire maybe, but not something so frivolous as love - simply because it doesn’t serve his father’s purpose.
Prior to the tadpole he was a calculated mass murdering psycho who indulged in cannibalism(and implied necrophilia), and who made a deal with the two other Chosen - but with the ultimate intent of killing both Gortash and Ketheric too in his father’s name.
This is from Gortash journal:
“I knew it would be risky to give one of the Netherstones to that loose catapult Orin, but when I look in her eyes I feel something, though I'm not sure what to call it - and after all, what's the point of a grand alliance of the Dead Three without old Bhaal? I thought I could depend on that aged stump Ketheric; however, it never even occurred to me he could be brought down by a random collection of shabby adventurers. Obviously, possession of the Weapon was the key element, but do the vagabonds possess the Weapon or does the Weapon possess them?
It's just as the great sages say: a plan will take you only so far, and then you have to fall back on principles. And inasmuch as control is the guiding principle of the committed Banite, it's axiomatic that I must be in control of all three Netherstones. The solution is obvious - pit the vagabonds against the loose catapult, and once they bring me the other two Netherstones, we'll find suitable positions for them in the new order to follow. Not the illithids' Grand Design, of course, but the Golden Reign of Gortash. Yes, that has a nice ring to it.
Then we shall deal with our naughty Absolute brain and its growing propensity to throw petulant psionic tantrums. It's no accident that I chose to place it in a domed cavern beneath the Upper City - the location is perfectly formed to concentrate the psychic force of the Netherstones, concentrate it to such a degree that not even our Netherese-enhanced brain will be able to resist my commands. Once I control all three Netherstones, naturally, and the sooner the better.”
@@EmDaMo 1) voice acting direction notes given to Jason Isaacs show that Gortash is fond/genuinely cares about Dark Urge (voice direction for other characters eg: Tav is just for wanting alliance)
2) the in-game note where The Dark Urge ask for forgiveness from Bhaal because they admire Gortash but for Bhaal not to worry because they will kill Gortash (and Ketheric) at the altar. Normally I would just chalk that up to regular admiration and nothing romantic but Balthazar writes an addendum saying Orin was 'right about the Dark Urge' and Orin herself even comments about how much the Dark Urge allowed Gortash to influence them when you fight her.
@@suenzhong7891 But admiration and letting someone influence you doesn’t necessarily mean anything remotely amorous is present. Same goes for fondness.
IMO, people just tend to romanticise the character too much, when it’s objectively not(even if it is to some left ambiguous enough to interpret it as such). I honestly just don’t see how a Bhaalspawn of that caliber(or purity) - before tadpole - would be capable of, or have any interest in, actual love or anything beyond the most basic urges.
Because fact is that Bhaal is a sick f*** and the same goes for all his followers(I’m looking at you Sarevok), and seeing as Dark Urge was made from daddy dearest himself, why would he be any different?
Bhaal’s level of depravity is only compounded by the new epilogue(should you choose to defy your father in the end despite staying a Chosen) - and even more so if you’ve heard the unused ending audio/text file that was data mined of the narrator telling the story of your punishment by him.
Then she didn’t lie - the past is lost to you. Let me clear up some mysteries, then. Our wedding was in the spring…
"They were good friends" riiiight. Those puppy eyes don't lie
In my evil Durge run I was so down for this alliance, was unironically upset when his brain got popped
Same, I was pissed
God, not being able to romance this man IS A CRIME
Agreed. He should def be a Durge-specific romance, imo.
Agreed
Just remember what he did to karlach. Also fun fact he is voiced by the guy who play malfoy's dad in hp
@@namethefifth7315 He also played Captain Hook in the 2003 Peter Pan movie.
@@aranyaphoenixand the judge in the Castlevania anime
Oh, he looked so genuinely happy O.O Knowing his backstory, it seems that Durge was his only true friend (perhaps, even lover) 😳🤔
By all accounts, Durge was the one to approach him with this grand scheme while he was still playing politics in the shadows. Durge is an immoral scheming bastard after his own heart. Perhaps not lovers, but definitely kindred spirits.
Or that wad the impression Durge meant to give, while planning to betray them all along.
Durge should be able to romance gortash.
The softness in his expression kills me i don’t think I’ll ever recover from how soft he is with Durge
The developers knew exactly what they were doing when they created Gortash... even more so when they got Jason goddamn Issac to voice him.
Why won't they let us romance him 😭
well now I'm even more disappointed that he's not romanceable
So... Gortash just confesses to all this shit in a room full of Patriars?
they are presumably manipulated anyways
@@arktossutcliff4985thats such a funny thought. If they're all his obedient pawns, hes basically just throwing himself a little party for fun
@@pixiewixiechu If these Patriars are all in his pocket why does he massacre them after the coronation?
@@andyenglish4303 bro it's not a Game Theory™️ I'm just having a giggle
@@andyenglish4303 because he had no use for them afterwards
Damn Gortash. He makes it really hard to dislike him in this scene. I'm actually surprised by how sincere he is regarding sharing rulership.
This is literally the TikTok audio.
“Listen to what Im saying. I can’t stand you”
“You missed me”
“I hate you”
“You missed me and you love me. Why must we fight?”
“I hate you”
“We’ve got a good thing going you and I. Why must we tussle?”
This is so true, I can't😭
"I mean we CAN tussle... 😏"
The fact that he is dubbed by Jason Isaacs makes me want to romance him even more 😭 ❤
Gortash nation coming in STRONG in the comments 💪
Oh we’re coming strong alright
Durgetash nation ;)
giggles and kicks my feet at him
2:33
“A reckoning awaits”
“Ooh, yes, back to your evil self! Should I call Orin an ambulance?”
“And one for yourself”
In short: "PLEASE DURGE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASEEE"
Look, I don’t want to play an evil route but I swear I would bloody the whole of the storm coast for this man
You don't need to play an evil route. You can play with Durge in a good route by resisting the urge
I love that so many others have my same Durge x Gortash headcanon 😂
Although... spoilers.......
You can find a letter in the mind flayer colony that Durge wrote to Bhaal before they were attacked by Orin; they wrote that they admire Gortash for his brilliance, but they plan to murder him (and everyone else) once their plan comes to fruition. Pretty sure Gortash was not aware of THAT part of the plan lol.
Furthermore, he writes there that Gortash will be the second-last person Durge kills, Durge themselves being the last person to depart the world. I dunno man, but hearing from a bhaalspawn that I will be killed last is like a confession
@@xRedivivus seems like a proposal to me. "You are worthy of dying last, my love"
Also because people seem to forget that the Dark Urge is an origin character, so even if you change gender/race, originally it’s a he - and he has only ever had murder on his mind. What’s interesting is Gortash’ journal where he mentions feeling ‘something’ - but not sure what - when looking at Orin.
@@xRedivivus Actually Bhaalists marry that way. They kill each other on the altar of Bhaal. Pretty sure that that's what Durge had in mind xD
@@EmDaMoOriginally being a "he" doesn't matter. If you choose to play a female durge you're addressed as being a female. The default options for durge aren't relevant, there's a reason they allow you to customise.
I like how he denies you your titles if you don't go along with his plan, because if you agree from the begging instead of ex cult leader the line goes "I turn to you, the scion of Bhaal; You are his dear Prince - he created you to rule" which from Bane's chosen is the biggest compliment he can give someone, not to mention in front of the nobility.
Look at this big old puppy eyes. It's no wonder people think he's got it bad for the Durge.
The way he talks to you is like you’ve spent years spending hours in close quarters together….
what proved it to me was the fact that during my regular playthrough, when you kill the steel watch and raid the iron throne to rescue duke ravenguard, if you were aligned with gortash, he cuts you off entirely, and when you meet with him again, it triggers a fight. but in my durge playthough, he was STILL willing to consider a deal even after i did both of those things, a usual dealbreaker for tav.
ofc i said no because i had karlach in my party and i wanted him dead but it was quite funny that he was THAT down bad for my little half elf sorcerer twink
I’ll do whatever you want sir
Successful tyrants must have trusted allies. He’s very firm and makes sense.
Can we can get an ending where Durge romances Gortash and then offs him after. I’d be happy with that at least 😭
i watched this and made me wonder if a romance option was available for him because of this dialogue and i found a reddit thread of people being annoyed ppl want to romance him and say there is no chemistry for the characters and that Gortash didn't act like he wasn't into the durge and im like.... are we watching and listening to the same dialogue? Apparently in moonrise towers you can find a note the durge sent to gortash talking about how they admired him and im like... why the hate? i really dont get it LMAOOO
also seems ppl are annoyed ppl wanna romance every character and some even say it devalues the character and im so confused like how does romance "devalue" a person LMAOO
This is a nitpick but it's not a note TO him, it's titled "prayer for forgiveness" and it's directed at Bhaal. Durge is seeking forgiveness from their father for admiring Banes chosen.
Larian, let us have one ending when The Dark Urge staying as the Assassin can romance this man, stop being such a tease about them
Bane is pretty reasonable and should be given control of the city.
i definitely think durge should be able to spare gortash (and orin but i don’t think most would agree with that) but i’m imagining redeemed durge saving the world and promptly plopping gortash in the therapy tank to fix that pesky little “trying to rule the world through brute force” complex of his
your username lmao
yeah, this is how I wish things could end. A redeemed durgetash.
I actually think Orin has one of the best chances of redemption. She’s so clearly a brainwashed fanatic, and if you reveal Sarevok’s incest to her, she actually starts to break down and question things and Bhaal has to forcibly turn her into the Slayer. If there was a way to prevent that, I think it could’ve been the equivalent of Shadowheart’s moment with Nightsong that gets her to start thinking more critically about her faith and breaking out of the brainwashing. Not sure if she’d be a good person at the end of that, but she’d at least be her own person, and i find it so tragic that she died at the exact moment she experienced her first taste of true agency in probably her entire life.
She’s probably too chaotic for Minthara but id love to read a post-epilogue black buddy comedy of them roadtripping through the underdark turning their murdery ways to good use by fighting Lolth and such. I can definitely see Minty as the “straight man” (in the comedic sense) to Orin’s, uh, Orin.
@@alissapenridge7516 I love Orin as a character so dearly, and it always breaks my heart to kill her. Don’t get me wrong, she’s still very obviously a murderer, but she’s no less redeemable than Durge. She’s not only been brainwashed since birth but has been subjected to brutal humiliation and blatant favoritism on behalf of Bhaal. I guess as the obviously least favorite child a part of her speaks to me and my own feelings of inadequacy, and desperately vying for the love of a parent who will never love you back.
He could have at least cast silence around himself or something, everybody can hear him, not just Durge.
He kills them all anyways
This man makes the feminism leave my body
What I don't understand is why no one reacted. Because surely every patriar present heard that.
if it's evil why pretty?
Mimicry of something beautiful means easier manipulation, unfortunately. Now I sound like Gale XD.
Read this in gale's voice@@NightWink129
I love him but he need to brush his teeth
I didn't really expect this video to be getting views lol so if anyone is curious about the other dialogue options and variations of the scene that are in the game, you can check out this video which has them all: ua-cam.com/video/6KFprcDHrI4/v-deo.htmlsi=BwjoI2Yfc9e_tMGT
... This Ardyn Izunia-looking MFer...
Every playthrough where I have Karlach on my main squad this man dies. For those I don't... well Wyll may be my conscience but I will admit that Lawful evil plotting can allure me back to my true alignment. Maybe the order of 2 chosen of the dead three can keep this brain under control and keep Bane's hand from overstretching the tyranny. I will see when my Durge gets there but my Tav is already plotting his murder.
Me thinking about canon tav the white dragon born: I don’t know who did who but I can feel it happened
With how gortash grew up, I imagine durge is the only person that could come close to a true friend for him, from the journals it's clear they greatly admired each other.
my headcanon is pre-Orin durge' while always planning to betray Gortash was going to enjoy whatever they could about being a tyrant until the urge could no longer be contained
At that point out of respect, unlike the countless innocents slaughtered in cold blood durge would ofter Gortash a duel and a fighting chance
JUST SCREW ALREADY!
7:02 Like how you 'rewarded' Karlach? Lying little weasel
bro is down bad 💀💀💀
Is he just explaining that whole thing in front of so many people?
First time I hear Gortash voice… not sure about it… 😅
Why is doordash, mm Gordash., is like every woman's Ex?!
Imperators voice drives me so mad. Bro he is so annoying
Zevlor comes off as a pathetic, geriatric, weakling who's only purpose is to be saved...how was he ever this badass Paladin?
I personally think that he is retired, just wants some peace and sleep, but because of his own mistakes, and also just bad luck, he keeps needing to be saved.
these gortash simps in the comments are so gross
Whos still simping after all this time? 😂
He's my favourite protagonist!
When he says "Bane teaches his followers to reward those who support his Chosen," but then turns on you if you agree to give him the netherstones. I'm curious, is that some sort of contradiction within his religion? I understand he can't see the protag as an equal if they give him the stones so easy, but attacking/betraying the MC doesn't sound like rewarding them for cooperating xD
My theory is that he liked Durge a lot and he saw Durge as an equal. He doesn’t really want Durge to see themselves as beneath him.
@@BloomingFireHeart i see what you say, (fyi he does the same thing whether youre playing durge or not) but why not just rule over them rather than attack/try to kill the MC? If he likes the durge/tav so much, at least they'd still be around and not dead xD
Also in the texts, Bane does not ultimately share power anyway- he planned of kicking the other gods out of the grand design once he had enough power, so unless I'm wrong, it's more efficient to Bane that Gortash subjugate the MC rather than killing them outright. Just seems counter to both Gortash's wants/needs, as well as Bane's
It's a test to see if you're/you've become gullible. If you don't hand over the netherstones, he praises you for seeing through his scheme/being skeptical.