Quest 3 VR headset DESTROYED my Valve Index, but how did that happen?
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2023
- The Quest 3 virtual reality headset is powerful, but I wasn't expecting what was about to happen with my Valve Index VR headset because of that.! I'm very torn even making this video, but I promised to share EXACTLY how I feel and what I experience on this channel. What is it about the Quest 3 that has caused me to have this dilemma? What am I doing about it? And is the VR world going to accuse ME of something because of all this? Comment on this video if you have any thoughts, positive or negative, about what I reveal in this video. Here's to the power of VR! #vr, #virtualreality, #quest3, #valveindex, #meta, #vrheadset, #vrheadsets, #vrisdead, #vrisnotdead
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bruh the volume of that background music omfg
LOL - yeah, that does seem to be agreed upon by a few (or more than a few) others. I'll get that more right on the next one. I'm a bit of a music guy, so I tend to like it a little louder (in background) than others, but it is a bit too loud. Thanks much!
@@jollyjulian Putting music in the background of the spoken word is complete idiocy. A lot of UA-camrs do it, but look how nice the ones who just talk and the background is quiet are listening. Just because you like music doesn't justify putting it into spoken word. Please don't force music on us listeners when it has no value here.
I'm a 69 year old retiree and have been a casual Quest 2 user for a couple of years. I'm going back-and-forth on buying the Quest 3. It surely is tempting. New subscriber.
If you feel like you would use it just as much as the quest 2 it's a great headset you would just have to upgrade to a better head strap much like the quest 2 though
Hello fellow VR enthusiast, as a first time VR user that waited what feels like his entire life to jump in, I have to say, the quest 3 is the best thing that happen to VR. Meta is loosing money on every unit sold, trust me when I say it's well worth the upgrade, you will wonder how they did it. Sell your quest 2, or gift it someone you love for Christmas, and do yourself a favor, upgrade, you deserve it, and you will NOT regret it. I could go into greater detail why if you like.
@@ryanpongracz8051Could you expand on why you like it more than your Quest 2? Is the mura/screen door effect really present? I’ve also heard the battery life is very poor and the controller haptic feedback is worse? The only thing that people seem to rave about are the new lenses. Would love to hear your thoughts!
I'm 66 now and use VR since the Samsung Gear with a Samsung Phone inserted.... I bought the Quest3 a few weeks ago and it is the best headset I ever had. Sound is great, view is awesome. If you like to do fitness with it, there are so many good programs. If you like to travel around the world, there are great 4K and even 8K movies for the Quest in 180 degree or even 360. And if you like gaming, Asgard's Wrath is for free, if you buy the Quest3 and this is a great game. Go for it. It's way way better than the Quest2.
It's a worthy upgrade IMHO I had a q1 q2 and q3 also have a rift cv1, rift s, index , psvr 1 and 2 and reverb g2 v2 after selling my gw v1. I recently put on my reverb g2v2 to play Arizona sunshine and had to say I think the quest 3 looked better and that was with virtual desktop. Mind u I luv my reverb but the quest 3 may ha e just retired it.
First time viewer here. I'm more or less in the same boat. Coming from the Index, the pancake lenses and the freedom of going wireless have made the Quest 3 my new go-to headset. However, I still plan on using my Index for online games that require low latency and for games that support full-body tracking since I do own a set of Vive trackers.
Also, good video but the BGM is a bit too loud imo.
I actually really liked the background music its a vibe
I agree on background music being way too loud.
@@diceman3616- thank you for the comment about the music maybe being a bit too loud. I went back and forth on that one when editing. Being a bit of a music guy myself, I tend to like the music a bit higher in mix, but possibly could stand to be a little less. Appreciate the comment!
Great comment, and totally can understand still using the Valve Index for certain use cases. I do often wonder about using the inside-out tracking vs the fantastic base stations for accuracy and low-latency, but I haven't had many issues at all with the Quest 3 tracking. I'm also not probably as picky (not FANTASTIC at fps games, but I do love them), and I don't have any body trackers, so no worries there. Thanks for the comment, and thanks for the heads up on the music volume - still trying to find the sweet-spot there!
@@SmugSpirit- thank you so much! Actually wrote and recorded it myself. One of my hobbies, much like VR!
I would recommend getting pro controllers for your quest 3 because it feels like base station tracking without base stations.
I'm very tempted to try those, I really am. I do love the idea of self-tracked controllers. So far, I've had very little issues at all with the current Quest 3 controllers, but I also don't play BEAT SABER or anything like that that needs VERY low latency and expert tracking. Closest is playing Synth Riders and Ghosts of Tabor / Onward, etc. But seems to work pretty well for me on those games. But I might just have to try the Quest Pro controllers out at some point, especially if they drop in price at some point.
@@jollyjulian I bought the pro controllers and have been driving them for a month together with the Quest 3 and I gotta say that you really notice these improvements when you play something like the ping pong game or the new racket ball that came out which has you moving your hands around in places that your headset doesn't reach. Also shooter games which require you to pick ammo from your waist like Light Crusade gets a noticeable improvement since you don't need to look towards your waist to get ammo from it since that's a spot where the controller tracking gets lost.
The tracking is not perfect on the pro controllers tho, and the grips they come with are really the worst. I haven't found grips that don't cover the cameras over time so it's biggest strength becomes it's biggest flaw as well. Using them requires a very well lit room or the controllers can get confused and do weird movements but it all comes down to lighting.
Great video. I used to covet the Index.....but the Quest 3 really blew me away. Let's see what happens with the Valve Deckard lol. Keep up the good content, my friend!
Thank you so much, and yes, I will be the first in line (well, fighting for it anyway) if and when Valve releases their next headset. Such a huge fan of what they have done with the Index, and they always push things forward so much!
from one Julian to another, I have to agree, I've just swapped my Index out for a Quest3 3, and if only for the visual fidelity, the fresnel lenses have been the bane of my VR life after using glass pancake lenses in my first ever VR headset the oculus DK2, the bumped up resolution just takes it home. I have to admit the tracking of the controllers especially isnt as good, but Im going to get myself a pair of Quest Pro controllers which are apparently amazing with their inside out tracking. Great video, thank you!
I'm there with you for sure! I really wasn't prepared for the difference those pancake lenses were going to make. NIGHT AND DAY for me! I do miss the Index Controllers, but the tracking of the OG Quest 3 controllers is better than I ever thought it would be. They keep improving on it with software updates. Great stuff, and I look forward to my VR experiences every single day! Thanks for the comment, and keep VR-ing!
Great video mate, new subscriber er all the way from the mighty UK, I flipping love creating VR content, I love the VR community!
Right??!!! I love this community as well, and am so happy that we have this wonderful version of "reality" that we can use to help bring us together and have great times! Thank you much for the comment, and love that you're in the UK! Hope to get back to visit there sometime soon!
We'd love you back again! @@jollyjulian
Well said, and well produced! Excellent vid!
That means a lot - thank you so much! Loved putting this video together for sure..... More to come!
Great video, just what i was after to make my mind up.😁
Fantastic - glad it was helpful. Let me know here if you have any other questions at all, and happy VR-ing!
This review was awesome, hope to see you do more content! Subbed and to the moon as they say haha
To the moon! Love it, thank you so much for this comment. More to come for sure.
Subscribed, great content! 😊
Thank you so much - means a lot, truly. I hope to bring you more videos very soon!
Hey nice video, nice to hear accolades from actual users. I think it would be a good idea to turn the background music down some more while you are talking. It's just a bit too loud and overbearing. I enjoyed the commentary though 👍
Love this comment - thank you so much! I will be more aware of that in the next video for sure. I agree, maybe a touch too loud with the music. Appreciate the comment so much, and glad you enjoyed the commentary!
I haven’t even modded it yet - still using the default Quest 3 strap and face plate, half the time with PC virtual desktop… but it doesn’t even make much difference with Population One to be honest. It looks so sharp 😅
POP ONE in Quest 3 is wonderful! Not having that screen-door effect and ring effects of the fresnel lenses - so sharp! Glad you're enjoying it, and I love that game as well!
Does the PC wireless work out of the box or you need some additional equipment?
It works out of the box with Airlink and Steam Link. Virtual Desktop (another software option) does cost about $20. The only real equipment you need is a good wifi 5 or wifi 6 router (wireless). Hope that helps!
Loved the video please continue !!
Thank you much! Enjoying sharing thoughts on VR in general - glad you enjoyed!
Great video. I've been on the fence about buying a Quest 3 for some time now, even after using one at a friends house. The lenses are absolutely a game changer, and the improved visuals are really nice. The only thing so far that's held me back from purchasing is that I'm not a huge VR user, I have a Quest 2 but it only gets used maybe once a week. For a casual user such as myself, the price point of a Quest 3 is pretty steep.
However, with some of the titles Meta has recently released (like Assassin's Creed Nexus) or has coming down the pipeline, I can clearly see where Meta wants to take VR gaming and it's an exciting future. I think what could make me more inclined to get the standard model is if Meta gave it more storage space, like they did with the 128GB Quest 2 that replaced the 64GB model.
I can totally understand that feeling of the $500 price tag maybe being a bit much, if you don't use VR much more than once a week or so. It might be one of those things that you wait, and use that Quest 2 a bit more over the next month or so, and see how much more you might get sucked in. All games being released now will run on Quest 2, even if not looking quite as great as on the quest 3, and then, if you decide you use VR more than expected, and want to upgrade, I don't think the Quest 3 will be going anywhere soon. Those are my thoughts, but yes, I feel the future of VR continues to look bright, even if it's not growing as quickly as we might all like, more and more people are discovering what you and I have - that it's pretty amazing!
I've just bought a Quest 3, and I love the clarity and freedom it provides, but the comfort and battery life is terrible so a replacement strap with battery is a must IMO. I've ordered one from USA but it won't arrive until January so for now it's short sessions in VR or switch back to my Valve Index!
100% agree - those are really my only criticisms so far of the Quest 3 - comfort (standard) and battery life. I have 3 batteries I use with my Bobovr M3 headstap, and that works quite well, and is very comfortable. Really dig it. However, the external batteries still get depleted quicker than the Quest 2. Thanks for the comment!
I found the quest 2 a side step from the quest one. Better visuals and processing, yes... But removal of the IPD slider and cheaper overall fit and finish.
But the quest 3 is an improvement over everything. The ONLY thing I think they missed on the quest 3 was the omission of an OLED screen.
I've been an oculus supporter since the DV1 and now have 5 headsets (I skipped the Rift).
Excellent headsets and excellent experiences. Well done!
Love it, and I agree 100%! OLED would have been amazing - the colors and contrast are so fantastic. I wonder what the cost difference to us as consumers would have had to have been to use OLED instead, with similar resolution and quality? Hmmm....
@@jollyjulian Good question... but I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't have been prohibitive. I think, though, they had a price point they needed to hit, and the inclusion of OLED screen would have edged that out of that range. We know they are taking a loss on the headset (while gaining user metrics that they can then sell again), but they still wanted to maximize their market impact.
Either way, I suppose they felt that the omission of an OLED screen wouldn't be a deal-breaker for anyone, and the INCLUSION of one may have limited their sales base by even a small fraction. It was a very conscious (and calculated) decision for them.
I don't have either but consider buying the Quest 3 and tbh my main thing is I want to play HL Alyx. Some people say the Index controllers are the best, can they be used with the quest 3 in PCVR and what do you think about the controllers which ones are better?
A great question, and here's my quick response to that: I do love the Index controllers - I really do. However, I don't feel they are worth what it would take to get them to work with your Quest 3, as you need BASE STATIONS, which are not cheap, and they have to set up and perminantly in your room. Also, I don't even know what software is out there that would let you use those controllers with your Quest 3, but it might be doable, but I'm guessing it will be a lot of hassle. As much as I love the Index Controllers, I don't feel they are THAT much better than the Quest 3 ones, considering the expense and the use of bases stations for outside in tracking. The only real thing that the Index controllers will give you in Half-Life ALYX is the ability to crush cans in your hand in a way that feels more real. And have each finger tracked separately, but that doesn't impact that game play really at all. So, my recommendation - go with the Quest 3, and play wirelessly (or through Quest link Cable) to your PC. Is your PC powerful enough - good CPU and GPU? Hope that helps! Any one else have a different opinion?
@@jollyjulian Thanks for the input, I'll stick with the quest 3 controllers then. I have an AMD 5900X and a 3080 so I think its gonna be ok.
First time viewer here! No idea why you’re not at 100K subs, but you know.. that’s a good sign! You’re about to blow tf up!
Thank you for the compliment, and the prediction.... Hope to get to keep bringing VR videos to you!
i plan to scoop up a quest 3 as soon as i see a sale. i can wait, but i'm excited. my only vr experience is when i borrowed my sister's quest 2 while she was on a trip
Awesome! Fingers crossed there is a sale at some point soon, but I expect it MIGHT be a little while. However, if you're able to wait, when it does go on sale, you're going to have a fantastic new toy that's going to suck up so much of your time in a great way!
@@jollyjulian i'm looking forward to it. In canada, the day after christmas is Boxing Day, which is where a bunch of sales occur, almost like a second Black Friday. I'm keeping my eyes out then
@@LogisticSleet8did you see anything? Can’t afford to pay 700$ CAD right now
I’ve had a valve index for about 2 years now. This seems like a nice upgrade
Yes - will always love the Valve Index, for sure, but I'm so impressed with the visual quality (and comparable FOV) of the Quest 3. I really notice a difference. Thanks for the comment!
@@jollyjulian no problem. What’s the wireless performance for PCVR? I heard a lot of people have issues with compression and crappy image quality. Btw: love the channel. When I saw your subscriber count, I was shocked. Keep going!
@@rangerkayla8824 I have an amd GPU (7800xt) and it’s performance is very similar to the 4070. I wonder if there’s any people with an amd card that’s tested this out
Who is this guy with a beard basically recounting my exact same story and thoughts! 😂
LOL - yeah, I'll bet there are quite a few people who feel as we do. :)
Nice Video! Thank you!!
Thank you so much for that - really appreciate it. More to come!
I was waiting for the Quest3 since it was announced last year. Meanwhile I bought the Pico4 and used it mainly for PCVR next to my Quest2. I have the Quest3 now about six weeks and it has become my to go to headset. I still use the Pico4 for PCVR but as of today I probably will spend more time with my Quest3. I installed Asgard's Wrath and boy was I in for a surprise. The game is so smooth, the graphics are awesome (even though I have the first Asgard's Wrath as well) and the fact that I can start to play that game without having to turn on my big PC makes it even better. NOW I start to like playing stand alone games on the Quest.
Love this! Great to hear that you have a Pico as well, and have used that. I was never able to get one of those, but here it's also a great headset, especially for PCVR. The Quest 3 is working so great for that also. And I CAN NOT wait to play Asgard's Wrath 2! I"m hearing nothing but great things. I have the first one but have not played it yet. Wondering if I should play through the first one first in PCVR, then do the 2nd, or just jump right in on #2!
@@jollyjulian It doesn't matter so much which one, but 2 does have some effects that were in one, but look more polished. Might be my imagination. Today I played Asgard's Wrath II for nearly an hour. Amazing, absolutely love it.
I'm getting the quest 3 next year for my birthday because since I play pcvr I don't need a better headset but I like to have new models and such.
That's going to be great - a wonderful B-day gift! What headset are you using now for PCVR? I do mostly PCVR (probably about 90% of the time), and the Quest 3 is blowing my mind for that so far!
I owned a quest 2 for 3 year. Not using it very much. Now i got the quest 3 and using it almost everyday for sim racing. Everything looks so mutch better and the possibility to crank up the old games by optimizer makes it a nobrainer 2 update. Even friends that were not in vr. Now are.
Love this. Yes, I'm just more blown away every day at the visual clarity, sharpness, and FOV of the Quest 3. It is amazing how much more we want to use it when the immersion through visuals is so much better. Going back to the Quest 2 periodically (mostly for working out), I notice the difference instantly. Truly an amazing upgrade. Thanks for sharing that!
Not enough people have been talking about the new audio on the quest 3. Its really really good, i dont even use headphones.
I so agree! I just don't know how they do it. The sound is really amazing for being out of those TINY speakers! Really impressive, and I almost never use headphones either. Except when playing GHOSTS OF TABOR sometimes... :)
Is That Older Ian Hawk From The ChipMunks woah
LOL - I can see that! It just might be.... ;)
Im so glad that yt recommented me this video🎉
Thank you so much -I am as well. More videos to come your way - hope you get to see them and enjoy them as well. Thanks!
First time viewer here, came because I was curious of all the Apps in Quest 3 after getting one, so youtube does what youtube does and recommend 1000 1st day reviewers. But what I came to say here, is that I have the same reasons as you. Even worse actually, I had the original Htc Vive that I bought in 2016, and it's been gathering dust since Alyx. The Steam VR was a huge surprise to me because I bought the Quest 3 on a vim, finally giving into Meta (which I still have zero interest in, just the games) and wanted to see what VR looks like in 2023. But as you said, Wireless and standalone is the Game-Changer. I use it to play my old PCVR games, Alyx, NMS etc. But I find myself using Stand-alone VR so much more. I have the headset next to my bed, and thats the thing - I can have it EVERYWHERE without any tethering, and to me that is the difference between Never using VR to using VR several times a Week.
I find myself chatting with people now - something I rarely do, especially in Bigscreen. And I'm quite happy that I didn't cheap out on the 128GB model, as I've already filled up 100 GB, and have 400 to go because I find I use the built-in Computer rather than PCVR (Even though I have a 3090 card), It's actually quite capable? Seen Red Matter 2 (Quest 3 edition)? It's absolutely mind-blowing what a Stand alone can look like today, and it's just as stable as the Light-House tech was, but with the added bonus of total freedom + it remembers all of your rooms! I'm never returning to Tethered VR again.
This is a great "journey through VR" story! Love it. I started out with the VIVE PRO as my first headset, and have been through many iterations of VR since, landing on the QUEST 3 currently as you have seen. Yes, the wireless really is great, and being able to play from any room in the house, or watch BIGSCREEN in bed - all so great! And, being able to take it to other people's houses to share with them! PCVR will probably always be (at least in near future) my favorite for great experiences of fidelity, but the native stuff is getting quite impressive as well! Have you tried ASGARD'S WRATH 2 yet? I have not yet, but will be! I hear it's quite amazing. Glad you're on this journey, and hope we bump into each other in VR sometime soon!
@@jollyjulian Yes AW II is absolutely every bit as mindblowing as they rave on about. Except, being in my 50s this is giving me the workout of a lifetime, I can basically last 30 minutes before I have to change clothes.
I hope to see you in Bigscreen one day, there's a fairly nice and adult audience in there still, and thats refreshing from all the "alternative chats you now what".
Another great video.
Appreciate that very much! Got a new one hopefully coming in the next few days, posing an interesting question about VR and AGE! Hope you're doing well!
Nice video! Are you going to make more quest 3 videos?
For sure! And I'll make more videos about any headset that I end up using. I'm always open to a new Valve headset - you know I'll be wanting to get my hands on that as soon as something new comes out from them. More to come... thanks for the comment!
Good video.. you might want to drop the music track down when your talking, oh and pick better music that isn’t 70’s P04N inspired 😅
LOL - yeah, I hear ya there - others have pointed out the volume issue as well. Totally right - too loud! Thanks for the comment!
Have the Oculus Rift, the OQ 2, and now the OQ 3 - was going to sell my Rift to someone, but now thinking about just giving it away. Already gave my OQ 2 to a family member, and will stick to just the OQ 3 now - it meets all of my needs.
I love that we can spread the VR love around when we get new headsets by giving older headsets to family members and friends. I would do that with my Quest 2, except I use it for FITNESS stuff, as I don't mind if I sweat in it rather than in the Quest 3. I'm trying to decide what to do with my Valve Index. Might keep it for a few months, then might sell very cheap to someone who really wants outside tracking, or give to someone. Thanks for sharing!
what ever valve bring out next they will really have to work hard to keep the price down to stay competitive, I will still use my index deespite owning a q3 aswell but thats mainly because I just love the knuckles.
I LOVE the knuckle controllers so much as well! Despite having gone through 3 pair because of stick-drift! LOL....They are fantastic, and you're right, Valve has a challenge in front of them, for sure. Let's hope!
Just replaced my Valve Index with the Quest 3. The improvement in clarity from the pancake lenses cannot be overstated. I stayed away from Meta as long as I could stand but it’s undeniable that they currently have the best consumer VR headset on the market. I use the Quest 3 primarily as a pcvr headset and couldn’t be happier.
Very similar to my experience too, my friend! I will ALWAYS love my Valve Index for so many reasons, but once I tried the Quest 3, it changed things forever. Not perfect (but what consumer headset is), but just an amazing headset for $500. Just incredible. Thanks for the wonderful comment, and hope to see you in VR!
It was all about those lenses for me. I've been waiting for this since Pico 4 was announced. The nicer processor is nice, but those stupid fresnel lenses have been making VR look silly for years now.
Completely agree - that has to be the biggest improvement for me personally - the lenses. AMAZING.
I sold my Valve Index after getting my Quest 3! How do I have over 3,000 subscribers and this guy doesn't even have 300? People need to subscribe!
Thank you for the wonderful compliment - appreciate that very much! And yeah, end of an era with the Valve Index, at least for some of us! Will always love that headset, though - so many incredible experiences!
The Quest 3 is my first headset. I do not have a pc and the quest 3 has come out just intime for me to have enough money to purchase something like it. So far I have enjoyed every day.
That is great news! VR just took me by storm when I tried it for the first time about 6 or 7 years ago, and I use it nearly EVERY DAY in some way for at least an hour or so. Quest 3 is a great headset - wonderful time to be getting into this wonderful obsession!
The quest # is my first VR headset and my first gaming device since the original Xbox then the original nintendo and then thje original atari. As a 47 year old. this is fantastic! We are now part of the video game! the younger generation may not find this exciting has yet to realize where the world is in the gaming sense. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TURNING POINTS THAT WILL BE A MARK IN HISTORY.
If Bono was raised in Flavortown USA and went into the tech industry
LOL - love that! Made me literally laugh out loud! :)
same here... iam today put my index (bough from second wave) in box and q3 take his place
It's a little bitter-sweet, isn't it? Yeah, always a soft-spot in my heart for that Valve Index....
Solid video. It might be a good idea to drop the music volume slightly though, others might disagree but it doesn't feel quite balanced against your speaking volume to me.
I agree, very distracting
For sure, a few people have brought that up, and I agree. Next video,I'll be more conscious of that, and get a better balance. Thanks much for the comment and suggestion!😊
Valve index is 2Mp, anything destroys it. Its ancient.
Yeah, that's such a testament to how good that headset was overall that I still kept using it as long as I did with the lower resolution. Very true!
I agree with everything you said, brother!
Thank you much - glad it resonated! Appreciate the comment!
Sorry to hear that it broke, but the editing is great keep up the good work!
Edit: I failed to finish the video before commenting
all good! Thank you for sharing this, and more to come!
If you hadn’t said anything, I would have thought you were making a joke.
That's what the clickbait title implies. 🤔
@@MobileDecay I am definitely not the brightest
Very well done video! I was shocked when I saw your subscriber count. With the quality of video and your enthusiasm, I assumed you were a long time creator with tens of thousands of subs. Well, you certainly got one more from me. Kepp up the awesome work man! (And sorry for ruining your 69 subscriber count with the addition of mine. LOL)
LOL - very kind of you to say, and I'm glad you liked the quality of the video. I love creating videos like this, as I love video creation ALMOST as much as I love VR! And no worries about breaking the subscriber number of 69! LOL..... We will always know it was there for a time!
I bought a q3 and loving it.
Love that! Yeah, it's such a wonderful headset. Meta must be taking a loss on each of these. I can't imagine the cost of all the parts and such to make a headset with all these features for $500. Enjoy, and maybe we'll run into each other in VR sometime!
@jollyjulian I really want to take advantage of learning piano on this, learning new languages, if they have a good cooking one that I could translate to real life... or anything thing else they have that can be adapted to actual life skills. The free game asgards wrath 2 I am enjoying and can't wait for its graphical upgrade for the q3.
What's surprising is that it's taken nearly 5 years for a newer headset to beat the Index. And it doesn't even beat it in every way. The Quest 3 still has latency for PCVR and still lacks the FBT capability that the Index has.
Totally true! It's so interesting to me how much I learn about what are the "most important things" to me when it comes to a VR headset. In fact, I'm thinking of doing a video about that. I'm sure so much of it depends on what types of games / experiences we love most. Man, if I could have the optics of the Quest 3, in a wireless INDEX with everything else it offers. NEAR PERFECTION!
Yep but inside out tracking = deal breaker for many
Totally can't argue with that. I think we can all agree that the quality and consistency of OUTSIDE tracking is still superior to inside out tracking, and for anyone who needs PERFECT tracking all the time, and even full-body tracking with tracked wearables, outside tracking will still be the best bet, probably for at least another couple of years. But, I must say, the work Meta has done with improving their inside-out tracking with software updates has been AMAZING. I never thought I'd be okay with inside out tracking so soon. Still love my Index (knuckles) controllers and basestations for great tracking, but I don't notice that much difference anymore. Thanks for the comment!
I love the passion 🎉
Thank you much - yeah, I love this VR thing probably more than I should.... It's fantastic!
@jollyjulian I subscribed to you because of your excitement for this product. I'm very happy 😊 watching your videos. And looking forward to more videos from you.
I enjoyed this video but it sounds like it was recorded at a Funkadelic concert. I'm gonna have to dig out some George Clinton, now.
LOL - yeah, baby - funky time! This comment made me smile and chuckle. Appreciate!
Just bought the valve index bc im sick of meta deleting my account and losing my games and the quest 2 shitting its self and i on do pcvr
That sucks that you've had so much trouble with Meta and your account! I can totally understand now wanting to deal with that! I haven't had any real issues, but glad to hear you were able to pick up an Index - a great headset for sure!
@@jollyjulian 🙏
Cable management...ugh! Truly barbaric. :)
I know - how 2016! LOL.... Yeah, wireless is quite awesome. Took me a while to get used to not keeping track of the cable (even from ceiling), and I didn't hate the cable, but no cable is definitely better from a comfort and convenience standpoint. Thanks for the comment!
Sucks because the Quest 3 can't make use of your lighthouses or knuckle controllers
I know - how perfect would it be if the Quest 3 could be set to use base stations and knuckles controllers?! That would be fantastic!
When you hate Meta but love their hardware, that means a lot of how great the product is but not enough decent softwares and function are the only reason VR isn't as good as it should show now
Yeah, there are so many theories of why VR isn't as big as we enthusiasts feel is should be. I'm hoping more games / experiences like Asgards Wrath 2 (from what i'm hearing, having not played it yet) will help more people get into VR who are looking for lengthy TRIPLE-A experiences. The tech is moving forward very nicely!
I'm on the Dream stream Train broskie! Lol I Fucking LOVE the Quest 3 and its a Strong power move from the Zuck man himself. Can't wait to see what the other companies do to compete with a dude ready to loss billions Lmao.
That is pretty hard to beat, right?! A company willing to lose billions over years, believing this will be VERY profitable in the future. I hope that is correct. I truly believe that some version of VR / AR will become a daily use device just like the smart phones eventually. We shall see!
Same boat here. I plat mostly PCVR. My first headset was the Rift S then I got an Index and it was a game changer, BUT the tether always bugged me. Then I got the Quest 2 on release and hardly used the Index much after that since I loved being wireless. Now with the Quest 3, I can't see a reason for ever using it again. The Quest 2 was great for it's time. but will always recommend the Quest 3 to new users.
A major jump for sure from Quest 2 to Quest 3, at least in my opinion. Don't know if I'll ever end up using my Index again or not. Maybe, for something, but just not sure. Loving the Quest 3, as you can tell. Glad you are too. Thanks for the comment!
After using the steam link with my son's quest 2, I decided to shelf my Vive pro and pick up a quest. 3. If the quest three would have had OLED screens, it would have been the ultimate headset in my opinion, but other than that I'm very satisfied.
YES! My first headset was actually the Vive PRO back in 2016 or 2017, right around there. And, if I'm not mistaken, that had OLED screens. The contrast and colors are so wonderful with OLED. I'll bet that is something you notice if you flip from one to the other. I believe that SOMEDAY, we'll have OLED with the pancake lenses, standalone, and reasonable price. Still a few years from that at least, I'd guess, but man - it's the dream!
@@jollyjulian My dream headset would be a standalone big screen beyond type of headset with micro OLEDs.
Ill join ya brother theres power in numbers, And well honestly I am a big fan of wireless gear although for VR its abit different see do to my living arrangements i kind of have to go wireless for VR cause our family hates cables running everywhere and perfectly understandable they get in the way their messy and their just another thing that you need to make it all work, That all said I honestly have nothing against the Valve Index as a headset however its price tag shouldnt be 1k in this day in age, I love what the controllers can do and i love the big field of view however thats really where it ends for me with the Valve index its super expensive to both use and own not to mention it isnt a simple plug and play experience and at this point its severely outdated but as i said even it has things going for it which ive already stated, As for the Quest 3 well ive owned the Quest 2 ever since it first came out and its given me everything ive needed to do wireless PCVR and just VR in general i love it but as time went on the problems of it became more and more obvious to me most notably the Fresnel Lenses ugh......the blurry mess and the super super small sweet spot UGH!!!!!! .........it was such a pain to deal with all of that and when i heard of the new and greatly improved lens system on the Quest 3 i was like a little kid in a candy shop i seriousely couldnt wait and when i finally got to get one and try it for the first time .................................my gosh ........it was like relief .....and not just that it was a night and day Visual difference .....and as for everything else about the Quest 3 .....i could never go back to the Quest 2 or to Fresnel lenses in general. Your getting a huge bargin with the 128 gig 500$ Quest 3 Model for what it offers, Your basically getting a more updated Quest Pro with litterly everything that the Quest Pro has with the exceptions of the Camera Controllers the Face and Eye tracking and the non custmizible Headstrap, So really your essentially getting the Quest Pro for half the amount that it costs with mostly everything that it has with a few exceptions. Its a great buy and i honestly would recommend it to anyone. And Jolly Julian keep up the great work man ^_^
I love this entire comment - you hit on so many things I agree with, my friend! It is really hard to go back to the Quest 2 after having the Quest 3. I kept my Quest 2 for use when I do FITNESS stuff, as I don't mind sweating a bit in it vs. my nice new Quest 3. The difference really is incredible between the two. More than I even really expected. The Quest 2 is still an incredible headset for sure, but the Quest 3 really is an improvement in nearly every major area. And with Steam Link / Airlink / Virtual Desktop, anyone with a VR -ready PC has a fantastic headset that is great for streaming wireless PCVR, and the battery lasts longer than when used standalone, due to the PC doing the bulk of the processing work. Thank you so much for the wonderful comment, and I'm so glad to hear you're as into VR as I am!
@jollyjulian Your very welcome my friend and yeah I can definitely appreciate what the Quest 2 did and it's still a great headset but definitely without a doubt the Quest 3 is the way to go its a no brainer. I'm very much looking forward to seeing future content from you and hearing what you have to say and also I wanted to thank you as well for replying back to my message it means a lot 😊 so thank man and keep up the great work
Turn down your background music
You bet - a few others have pointed out that it was too loud. Next video, a better level for the music for sure. Thanks for the comment!
But have you tried the PSVR2? It looks the best out of any headset that I've tried. Plus the face haptics and adaptive triggers make games so immersive.
No games on the playstation
It’s pretty meh imo. They made some weird choices with PSVR2.
I've been dying to try the PSVR2, for sure. I don't own a PlayStation 5, so I'd have to get the whole thing, and I actually considered getting one when it first came out. I love what I've heard about the visuals, and the HAPTICS were the main thing I really wanted. I LOVE good HAPTICS in VR. I have the BHAPTICS vest and wrists, and I do really like them. Don't LOVE them, but they do add immersion. Maybe once the price comes down more on the PS5 and PSVR2, I'll get my hands on one to check it out. Thanks for the suggestion!
Convenience always kills any competitor.
Well, that is an interesting debate, and I'm thinking of doing a video on that very subject - what is it that is MOST important to someone getting into VR. For me, I didn't mind the Valve Index for the space it took, and getting it setup and such, but I also didn't have to tear it down after very use and set it back up like some may have. For me, there's an interesting balance between convenience and quality, and I'm not even 100% sure where that line is. Give me some food for thought, thanks!
turn down the cheesy music please. like by a lot
Yeah - totally hear you, even over the loud music! LOL.... I will turn that down in the next one for sure. Sorry about that! Appreciate the suggestion for sure.
Is not surprised that a $500 or even $300 vr headset in 2020 and 2023 actually destroyed an already ancient 2017 tech released in 2019 that cost more than double of those. Sorry Valve, I love your platform but next time when you make next headset, make sure to get every spec and tech up to date and with better reliable
For sure. I think we can all agree that it's a little surprising that Valve hasn't created a headset since the release of the Index. I guess it's most likely because they are a software company first, but also because I think that, should the release another headset, they want to have it be the best it can be. What the price will be, that will be the question. I for one, will pay a good amount for it if it's great, but know many people might be on a tighter budget. Let's see what comes next, Valve!
I've literally owned nearly every VR headset since the Oculus DK1 in 2013 and the Quest 3 has become my daily driver too - it's just SO good! While I wait for my Bigscreen Beyond to arrive I find myself having shelved my Pimax Crystal and Varjo Aero in favor of the Quest 3 for everything other than playing DCS.
DCS is a hobby that is hard to explain for people who don't share it but for everything else in VR, the Quest 3 rules supreme in it's ease of use, quality, affordability, and portability.
They've really made something special here and I think it is going to take off more than it's creators even thought was possible.
Love this! Yes, I can TOTALLY understand the obsession that is flight-sim type stuff like MSFS and DCS and such. Truly next level, and so immersive on all levels. The fact that the Quest 3 checks off so many boxes just makes it a no-brainer for me to recommend to anyone who is willing to $500 for a headset (a great deal for what you get). I really do hope this headset takes off in a huge way, as it really is the only headset that has truly excited me since the Valve Index. Great comments - thanks!
fucking hell, wtf is that god awful music???
LOL - yeah, it's louder than it should have been for sure - my bad on that one! Won't make that mistake on the next video.