I feel like I got ripped off... I regret buying this!
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- About 6 months ago I preordered the HTC Vive XR Elite VR headset... so far... it was a complete mistake... ugh!
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HTC was kind of... almost there with the Elite. Fun seeing some VR content from you!
The legend himself. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the XR Elite. Im keeping mine just for the future upgradeability of face and eye tracking plus Vives future trackers, but thats pretty much it. I really wanted it to to be good but it sadly just feels like a alpha product :/
I love my Cosmos. It performs really well on a 1060, surprisingly.
Seeing you here right after watching Tuesday Newsday is amazing
there are still no budget pankake lens display port headsets. feels like a gap in the market. I wish HTC had made a htc vive 2 with pankake lenses (like pico 4) and display port
oh hey it's mr tuesday newsday himself
When you guys do reviews of these vr headsets I’d like to see you do it as a round table between the three of you, or at least Jay and Phil, so you get more than one head’s perspective on fit and comfort. Looking forward to Phil’s stand-alone though.
IMO it's kind of a clickbait title to proclaim he regrets buying it, without even using it and/or discussing performance. Plus why leave all the footage in about how it's uncomfortable , if it turns out he didn't have it properly assembled? He could have at least said whether or not he still preferred the Pro's fit.
Edit: To the people claiming he did say if he preferred the Pro's fit, I'm talking about after he realized he didn't have the Vive setup correctly. He didn't state if that changed his opinion, even though that was specifically what he said caused him to prefer the Pro.
@@danchicago3430He did, multiple times
VR is very subjective, even when being objective. What matters to Jay, may not matter at all to you or I. IMO, we are at a point that every VR HMD offers something incredible, but it just depends on what that specific consumer is looking for in their VR experience. I'm a VR enthusiast and clarity is king IMO. Quality, ease of use and reliability is also key. I want the best of the best so I splurged for the Varjo Aero (currently 15% off) and the past 7 months of VR has been unlike anything I had experienced before. Every single time I use the HMD (which is every day for hours) I am blown away and have numerous "WOW" moments. I'm glad VR is here with edge to edge clarity and lifelike visuals. Hopefully this will be the normal sooner than later as it is truly special and can't wait for everyone to experience this.
@@farmertrueVR I'm with you 100%. I'm jealous of your Aero. Bet it's fantastic. If only..
@@danchicago3430 he did a couple of time, but i guess you're too slow in the head
Please keep doing VR content. I love VR. No one really talks about or does benchmarks for PC minimum or rational specs with VR as a main driver.
I know it’s frustrating, id love for mainstream UA-camrs to do it! I’d love to buy a graphics card based off VR performance.
I do the same thing as jay and use my for sim racing on my sim rig.
PlayStation is about to blow the VR market out of the water
@@chadbear8759 i use index and im really happy with it
I keep asking for this. VR benchmarks are so rare, they need to be a thing. Although it may be a small percentage, it's an increaseing technology that seems to get more popular, especially with the quest 2 that dominated the market since so many people (were able to) buy it.
I've got a Reverb G2 and a RTX 3090, have to dial settings back to get stable frame rates for sim racing. The running joke is nobody needs 8K gaming, sure, except for high end VR headsets that are somewhere between 4K and 8K in terms of pixel count. DLSS can't save us from older titles and foveated rendering mods don't seem to help my setup.
Having a big youtube channel with the ability to try different hardware combinations would really help me buy a better setup with confidence. Right now all I know is the 4090 needs settings turned down for these headsets too. My cpu probably needs to change, it's a 3900X. But do I get a 5800X3D or do I need a 7800X3D?
I don't know, I already paid for the best on offer when I built this PC, and it's not performing. So now I need upgrades waaaay before my usual upgrade cycle. I don't want to just throw money at the best without knowing for sure it will do what I want.
I don't have an XR Elite but I do have the Quest Pro. I absolutely love this headset, my seventh HMD and feels like a massive upgrade over everything else I've ever used. I have a top strap from Creative Studioform that really enhances the comfort for me, out of the box it presses on my forehead a lot.
I've never seen Phil look more like a "minion" than when he put the housing on his face.
Wow he did tho 😂
instant meme
*Phil-et Minion* 🥩
Bruh this Corsair ad. They better release it before I switch to Lian Li.
I guess around August.
Haha I was thinking the same thing! RELEASE IT
It'll use a new commander 100%
Wireless rgb I’m saying now
Is Lian Li still around?
I feel like Jay should look into the BigScreen Beyond headset. Seems like it would be the perfect option for his personal racing rig at least.
the one thing this headst shows, is the face interface is very important. this thing looks like crap and barely fits jays face. but a tailor made interface that fits perfectly, being standard for heasets would be a game changer. that needs to be an option on all headsets going forward.
Yea, i hope they do
@@ge2719 I was thinking the complany that Big Screen uses to make these custom gaskets could make a killing expanding to other headset face gaskets. Imagine having a custom gasket for your Quest 2! That would be sick! I would totally go borrow an apple ipad or phone from someone to scan my face one time to get one in heartbeat!
Or pimax crystal
@@joebloggs8900 I don't think Jay would be interested in a bigger bulkier headset though
I love my Quest Pro! The inside out tracking on the controllers is a game changer. Only drawback I have at the moment is the headset doesn't see the controllers anymore since the latest firmware update. Hopefully they get it fixed soon.
Are you thinking about the 3 or this XR? I have the pro and the 2 not super impressed seems some of the 3 reviews show decent improvements...
Interesting point. The biggest drawback for people getting into vr is always the price just for it to increase in price with each iteration of vr. Somewhat like gatekeeping or running away from a potential audience/demographics
Not sure why you think that. There are products at different price points, but the Meta/Oculus mainstream headsets have been selling for between $300 and $400 for a long time now.
The Quest Pro is not a successor to the Quest 2, but a product for a different audience. The Quest 3 should come later this year for much less than the Pro.
Yeah price is a problem. But GPU prices are worse! What you are getting is getting better. Now really high end PCVR is costing a fortune, and PSVR2 looks like a bargain given the fidelity and features it delivers - and people were complaining about the price of that too! Everything is goin up!
Arguably Quest 2 was the most accessible headset in terms of price, and still is.
Yup. Its part of my problem trying to figure out how to get out of my Quest 2. I want a higher fov. But also want a higher resolution but the headsets that have decent fov tend to have shit resolution. Or the headset has not so good reviews. Im struggling to find a set up that has what i want including all the tracking. It gets expensive. The Varjo headset peak my interest. But it also comes down to wires. I love not having to trip over cables. I did that enough before i got interchangeable batteries for my Quest
@@Spencer067 If you're fine with Varjo Aero prices, take a look at the Pimax Crystal, then. Seems like it'll be right up your alley once all the features are fully implemented, at least on paper.
My biggest problem is not the price at all, I would pay more but I have no interest in wearing a big ole goggle helmet to play video games. I won't even wear 3d glasses to watch a tv, that is too intrusive for me. Plus it's basically only good for racing/cockpit games and porn. I actually have a crazy sim rig and pc, but I play at 12+Nm... I have "wind simulators" (fans) blasting me while I play and it is still a super sweaty experience... that set of goggles would get so gross so fast. I would much rather just run 3 monitors than ever get vr, they're at least useful even when I am not playing games. I think motion control is largely gimmicky and stupid, either it needs to work like the matrix (good luck with that...) or be less intrusive than regular glasses, and short of that I will never be interested.
Really liking the idea of easy to adjust PD as well as adjusting the lenses for a RX script. Although to be honest I just have magnetic clip on RX lenses in my Quest 2. I also see the HTC headset as a more premium level product vs the very budget friendly Quest 2 but it'd be awesome to not have to add additional thickness to the lenses to be able to see without glasses.
Quick note on the adjustable eye pieces for people with eye prescriptions: this can't work for you if you have astigmatism. You will still need to wear either glasses or some kind of prescription insert- if this headset can even acomodate that.
if it allows glasses, it'll allow an insert
Indeed! I can't use normal binoculars for that reason. The astigmatism will result in small patches being sharp and the rest being blurred...
Thanks for your review Jay! Good to see this and other headsets with adjustment for prescription lenses. Unfortunately, for people with significant astigmatism and some other eye conditions, the headset correction isn't enough and you will still need to wear glasses for a clear image. I have strong astigmatism but luckily the prescription aftermarket VR lenses available work fantastically. just a pain that you have to remove them for someone else to use your headset.
I pre-ordered a Pimax Crystal. I am more confident in that offering, especially for racing sims, trucking sims, and flight sims.
Awesome 😎
Just bought a Corsair 5000D airflow. I want this cable management thing announced already to see if it’ll actually help my new build.
I really like that you review VR tech on your channel. It is still kind of a niche but hopefully will become more and more interesting for all gamers in the near future
Honestly, I think it's only niche due to the cost. Even a lower end headset costs almost as much as a game console, and some headsets don't include everything you need, so there's more expense. Plus, like Jay said, the cost keeps going up.
@@wandererreece9540 plus gaming pc. Quest without it looks like sh..t
I'm still rocking a HTC Vive Pro. Only upgrade were the Valve Index Controller and I bought 2 Lighthouse 2.0 boxes. I'm happy with that config. Maybe, someday I'll make a switch to the Index
I'm still surprised that everyone doesn't love VR as much as I do. It's nothing short of the ability to go on a mini-vacation anytime you want. It's crazy.
People who dont like it, tend to get motion sick or are illogically afraid of it. The use case are incredible for me and my headset gets used a lot
It's still too expensive for me. Simple as.
@Smitty Vanjagermanjenson Im in the camp of the people that get sick but absolutely love it.
I have an index and a large playspace to play in. Stuff like beatsaber I can play endlessly but like 20 mins of half life alyx has me out of action for another hour cause it made me so sick.
Trying to get my VR legs hehe.
the problem is all the games you play on vr feels more like tech demos, its only fun for few minutes then becomes a gimmick
@@ashleyjohansson230 many do, that's true. There are MANY legit titles though, including HL:Alyx, MS Flight Sim, tons of great racing Sims, Population:One (battle royale shooter. SUPER FUN). Games like Stormland are crazy fun with the climbing and and flying mechanics! Lone Echo 1 and 2 are amazing and Echo Arena, which is sadly and STUPIDLY being shutdown by Meta, is an absolutely INCREDIBLE and totally polished VR experience (Think Enders Game and Tron had a baby and turned it into and Arena game.. SO AMAZING).
Honestly the worst part of VR for me was having to give it up because the headset belongs to my daughter and she needed it back.. I know Phil will agree with me when I say it makes a big difference to Elite Dangerous gameplay. I also miss playing with my Wall-E esque training robot, the butterflies in STEAM VR, my personal virtual workplace penthouse suite and having my own huge personal cinema.. :(
Dial to setup lenses to prescription is a cool feature. I hope everyone will do this for VR headsets
I really wanted this to be better than what it turned out to be. Also the fabric insert besides being to narrow it also has a hard plastic piece inside that is suppose to help support the headset on your face but in my experince it just felt uncomfortable even when adding the head strap. I also agree that they should have added some sort of tilt function to adjust the headset to sit better on your face because what I have found was that where I could see it the best way made it very uncomfortable but if I made of more comfortable I would not get a clear picture.
I tried the wireless PC vr and it worked pretty good but in terms of performance and clarity I would say the performance was on oar with my Quest 1 using wireless PCVR but it was a lot better quality on the quest 1 thanks to the OLED screen.
Just wanted add that VR is really important for seated simulations like driving and flying sims. I use VR exclusively for Digital Combat Simulator (DCS) and it's utterly amazing for that title (and things like MSFS 2020).
New and in the market for a vr headset for pc. Which one is best for dcs? Thanks!
@@cyclechris6591 DCS is awesome, you'll really enjoy it in VR. Depends on your budget, but the best mid-range solution is the Reverb G2. If cost isn't an obstacle, the Varjo Aero and Pimax Crystal both provide superb high-end visuals. I'm not sure I can recommend the Quest Pro for DCS, but some do swear by it. If you want an Oculus headset, best to wait for the Quest 3 coming soon. The Index was a great option 3 years ago, but it's old and the resolution is too low for sims.
I'll add that I'm a happy Reverb G2 owner, but I'm looking at the Pimax Crystal as a potential upgrade soon.
@@cyclechris6591 I've used both the Quest 2 and Reverb 2 for DCS. I'd say the Reverb 2 is the better choice in absolute terms, but I didn't consider it worth twice the asking price of the Q2. I got my R2 used from a co-worker who had bought a Pimax... so I basically rented it for a few months then sold it off for what I paid for it and held onto the Q2. (My kids started playing some of the games available directly from Oculus / Meta.)
All that said, I went back to a 4k 120hz 48" pancake. While the 3D depth of field is truly impressive with VR, I just felt all the other compromises just weren't worth it... constant tweaking of tempermental software, crap framerates, very restricted field of view vs pancake + IR head tracking, soupy/blurry visuals when your eyes dart anywhere outside the relatively tiny sweet spot on the lens, a big boot strapped to your head gets tiresome during that 25 minute flight to the target... From my perspective, the VR tech needs another few cycles in the development oven.
My recommendation to you would be to go cheap with the first headset... Q2 or R2.. can probably find piles of used ones for cheap. Take some time and gauge your level of motion sickness tolerance, get an idea for the performance you'll be sacrificing compared to pancake and then maybe upgrade to a higher end headset if you enjoy the experience. It seems to be an all or nothing situation with a lot of DCS players... many swear they could never go without VR and many can't handle all the jitters / stutters, reduced graphic quality and just general performance headaches. I'll likely jump back into the VR pool at some point, perhaps even with the Q3 depending on reviews / word of mouth, but more likely not until the 2024/25 GPU and VR releases when I'll upgrade the entire computer.
Regarding the headset not fitting your face - perhaps giving the beyond vr headset a try would give you a good comparison as to what's "possible" and what's "reasonable" for personalized vs mass consumer hardware.
Hey guys, I run a VR Arcade and we have 22 of the Vive Focus 3 which use the exact same controllers and can tell you they can take a bit of a beating, customers don't hit the wall all the time but they do once in a while and after a year of using them we haven't lost a single one. So I can confidently say kid resistant!
Got 3 of the XR Elites and didn't see the fluff though, I think it's packaging, they mention on there using a lot of recycled stuff which does that often.
The XR elite is an amazing headset, but there are some issues with the lenses quality, I feel like the Focus 3 was MUCH better value for money.
Love the addition of vr content on the channel
I returned my Quest Pro because it was painfully uncomfortable for my head shape, so definitely your mileage may vary on that. I was spoiled by the Quest 2 and the replacement headstrap options that really increased the comfort for me.
I added a comfort strap that goes left/right to take the weight off my forehead. Comfy with (I’ve worn it for 6 hour sessions many times), but completely unusable without.
@@float32 I attempted a couple solutions before I sent it back. Granted I was an early adopter and there might be better options now. I was waiting to see how the XR Elite turned out, now I might as well see how the Quest 3 turns out. Still pretty happy with my Quest 2 on virtual desktop. I use the Bobo VR battery strap ATM with a better ventilated facial interface and some off ear speakers.
May eventually have to check out what comfort options are available for the Quest Pro if the Quest 3 is only so-so.
I've been very happy with my HP Reverb G2 for racing and flight sims for a long time now. It has a high resolution and good image quality and doesn't break the bank either. Sure, it isn't wireless, but for sims that isn't really important anyway as you remain stationary/sitting and use racing wheels/HOTAS etc..
I agree. I use the Reverb G2 for flight sim and the Quest 2 for everything else. No complaints.
Try out Varjo Aero or wait for Pimax crystal. The jump is HUGE
Mostly agree: one small drawback to me is that inside-out tracking always limits the controllers movement somewhat. I was perfectly fine setting up the sensors in my room.
One biggie tho: the headset wasn't compatible with my x570 Chipset when I bought it shortly after launch. I couldn't find any reason why the headset wasn't detected and there was no information (besides one reddit post I found about the same issue where they kinda guessed arround what it could be) to be found especially not from HP sooo...yeah that was frustrating.
Nowadays I'm quite happy with it tho.
G2 is still a nice headset, I've had mine for two years. The Quest Pro is a substantial upgrade if you have the GPU to run it though. If you can imagine the G2 with its central clarity across the entire display, larger FOV, better colours and blacks, and no glare and godrays you basically have the Quest Pro.
It's impressive how much pancake lenses can do to improve the visuals over fresnel.
I'm using Reverb G2 with Valve Knuckles, and it's great (because G2 controllers and their tracking is AWFUL).
But sometimes this hybrid VR takes much time to setup it if something is not working properly xD
cool to see a big youtuber covering vr, i hope the review will be solid.
already liked the foot notes that it does not has a displayport connection, because that's something people like to know^^
Love to see VR on this channel. It was over hyped at the start, it's taking a while for the tech to mature and for developers to come on board but XR will be a big part of the future. Currently rocking a Quest 2 and an Index, same as you mostly for sim racing but I'm waiting for a large fov micro LED device before I next upgrade. This from HTC looks over=priced, the form factor is a step in the right direction but not if it isn't comfortable, you could give me the highest spec headset on the market but if it hurts or irritates to wear it then it's pointless.
I got a PICO4 and I really like it! So much I'll probably never buy this overpriced Vive trash again. You may want to try it too, if you don't have one yet. Didn't expect much from the PICO due to the rather low price tag but boy was I wrong. No stupid ripple lenses, stable wirless connection without additional "antlers" or 3rd party stuff, nearly 100% sweet spot, good FoV, can install any APK on it, works without lighthouses, has two controllers not far behind the great Index controller, works with and without glasses, can just pop on custom made lenses and I can go on... great product and even better with some upgrades like better face panel and extra akkus. And I'm saying all this after having owned quite some VR goggles and having spend a few thousand dollars for these over the years. The PICO4 has still some issues but for me it's a far leap in the right direction and the first time I like being in VR for hours...
I was looking at this before but after everything you've said I'm so glad I went with the Pico 4 instead for like 1/3 of the price. Could literally get that and a 4070 for the price of an XR so the XR would need to have some pretty insane performance to justify the price.
It's crazy when you put it like that.
Good choice 👍
same, also got the pico 4.. but now considering selling it for the quest 3
If you wear glasses the Pico accepts magnetically attached prescription lenses so no need to cram in your glasses under the headset. Much more comfortable and you're less likely to damage your glasses or the headset lenses
I looked at VR stuff a few months ago and decided to get a Pico, because it looked like the best at the lower end. Unfortunately, their products aren't sold in the country I live in. Quest 3 looks good, but it also looks like the Pico would be better than that too.
Great review. I was really curious about how it compared since I got a Quest Pro mainly because of the wireless. I also like the face and eye tracking, and the controllers. I'll look at the other video you metioned for a more detailed review
Wife has one and I have not tried it yet. She enjoys VR but has had issues with the wireless streaming. I'm trying to talk her into upgrading from the 2070 in her machine but I really just need to install the software into mine with a 3080 to see if that would resolve the issues since the only other difference is 10 Home VS 10 Pro. Still like my Vive Pro with first party wireless even it its clunky because Untethered wireless - However can't put that in an ITX system like I wanted to so its in a Dark Base 700 tower.
I have a HP Reverb G2 that I use for DCS. The biggest problem I have is I also have an LG C2 42" OLED as a monitor - and the VR headsets never look as good. So while the immersion and feeling of VR flying is pretty great, the flat monitor just looks so much better. I'm just waiting for the day of an affordable VR headset that can look as good as my OLED.
I hear ya. I use a 48” CX. Sometimes I run flight sim on screen… and sometimes with the Reverb G2. Both are solid.
Just get an IR head tracking and play on the OLED screen.
@@pr3d4t0r11 I do have an IR head tracker, but I HATE having to turn my head but keep my eyes forward.
I bought the G2 and after being not as impressed with the image quality compared to my monitor, I returned it and got the IR tracker. But the IR tracker, having to keep my eyes forward when moving my head and not having that immersive 360-degree 1:1 just didn't hold a candle to the G2. So while the G2 isn't as good as I hoped in the visual quality and FOV, I prefer it to the IR tracker I got. So I re-purchased the G2 when it was on a ridiculous sale from HP. I think I got it for $300.
I have a Quest Pro and it is very comparable to my Samsung Q9FN Qled. If the Pro had HDR it would be hard to tell the difference between them.
@@CybrSlydr Compared to my old tvs the LG is better in every way. I sometimes had to wait 2 minutes before the tv came on. Now it takes 3 seconds and I get all the apps I want. Its like when I got fibre internet.
I have an Index, seems they are only now catching up to the index. Can't wait to see what valve is cooking up.
Better be a self upgrading wireless headset with nano technology, because you know you arent getting a 3rd headset lol
steam doesnt care about vr anymore because they know its dead, they are putting all the funding into steam deck 2
@@ashleyjohansson230 That is my fear as well, but we keep finding small snippets that suggest they are working on a vr headset. Deckard and some patents etc, but it has been quiet lately.
Since you want it for a racing sim and will likely use it tethered, I hope to see you test it with an after market top and back strap. I hope the lack of back battery combined with a soft top strap should be a really nice light experience. Also, can the Quest Pro be used without the back battery?
Love this stuff, I had my nearly 3 year old grandson watch some VR content of fish using my quest 2. It was so cool to see him processing what he was seeing combined with still hearing me. "Papa! fishies!!!" Where? him pointing all over.
love it when you guys cover VR, especially sim racing VR as imo its the only true next gen gaming experience out there, the immersion you get from the wheel force feedback combined with the stereoscopic 3D & headtracking is second to none & thats just entry level, im not even a car guy but the second i tried it i was hooked
The VR crowd would love more VR content. I'd love some content helping me determine my next GPU update, especially to match up to headsets using the XR2 gen 2 chips and AV1 when they start coming out later this year. I'm considering AMD seriously, but I've heard so much how AMD sucks at VR. It would be great to hear your perspective on how the modern GPU's compare at streaming PCVR wireless to headsets.
The problem is the third parties don't want to make content until a lot of people are using the headsets and people don't want to use the headsets until there's a lot of content. The only solution is to do what companies like Nintendo do and make a bunch of first-party content to have at launch with the product, but since these headsets are not being made by game companies, they either don't make first-party content, or they do but it sucks ass.
With the insane amount of money Meta burns, you would think they would be sponsoring some high quality games.
amd has been fine for vr for ages... one of our rigs runs a 6900xt on a vive pro 2 perfectly
VR content on your channel! Nice, thanks for venturing into the Immersive realm for a bit!
As a UK user of VR I run a Vive pro2 (not that many out there) with a 4090.. I use it for MSFS what I want to see is a Retailer a comparison between all the different Makes and Models with the Flight sims fidelity and smoothness are king but its a wing and a prayer when you change your headset
Can't fault my Reverb G2 for now with a rtx3090. I only use it for sim racing and flight sim and I love it. I did gat a replacement face cover for increased FOV, and I use cable management pulleys, but it's good enough for what my hardware can deliver. For next gen VR it's going to be 50/60 series cards before we see massive improvements that are worth me paying for.
I have the same headset and gpu, but I have to turn my graphics settings way down to get stable frame rates. I gave up on a career mode save game as my wet/night settings were so low they looked like utter garbage in the day/dry. I think my cpu is the weak link, a 3900X, but I don't know what is safe to buy to get both good graphics and good performance. I've seen reviews that even the 4090 needs settings turned down.
So, what cpu do you have and what compromises have you had to make with graphics settings?
I'm running a G1 and still there isn't any reason to upgrade. The resolution is unmatched for the price and gfx cards can barely keep up with that anyway. They're just tinkering with utility but hardly anything ground breaking, especially at those inflated prices.
I think the same way. I'm at 3090 and G2 is fine for now. Generation RTX 5090 or 6090 and further evolution in VR to be fantastic
Agreed If you’re only using it for sim racing you’re better off getting an HP Reverb it’s 4K and can get for cheap as HP are bowing out of the VR market
Pimax crystal and bigscreen. That's the future apparently 3080 runs smooth
Interested to see your reaction to how the XR performs. Not heard good things from the few VR officianados who have bought them.
Please Please do a video where Phil tries to use these for VR for a week or two and gives a full review. We want to know what it is like to use as a daily driver, does it play nice with Steam VR, is the tracking and latency good etc.
I have heard good things about the Pico headsets having great visuals and weight distribution. I have no clue why they just don't sell in north america. Either way rumor has it that the Quest3 will be announced this year, but with Zuck's move away from VR to the "new hotness" that is AI... who knows
I absolutely love my Vive XRE for Racing and Flying Sims. Glasses mode with power injection is so comfortable for me.
I was super disappointed when I first got it, but I've really warmed up to it after adjusting to it. I use it over my SteamVR headsets now. It's certainly a waste of money if you have access to a quest pro, but if it were half the price (Which is how much I got mine for), I would say it would reasonably hold up against other options. Better than a Quest 2 in my opinion if you're doing tethered PCVR. Wi-Fi streaming has a terrible latency when you turn your head fast that really needs to be fixed, but that's about the only part that's worse than Quest 2. If you have access to the Pico 4 where you live (I don't) then that's certainly the better option, superior in every category including price.
Tethered....yuck.
except for an anemic library of content of course.
I have a Quest 2 for, mainly, iRacing. I use it ‘virtually’ (🙄) every day. It is awesome. I love it so much. I considered triple screens, but the immersion from VR is unparalleled, imo. I never suffer with motion sickness, thankfully, so that’s probably a major contributing factor. If you are considering VR and can afford it, then I can’t recommend it enough. Just wish the choice was greater and a little less expensive. The chances of prices reducing in this climate is, quite frankly, wishful thinking… such a shame. As a kid playing Jet Set Willy, or Manic Miner on a ZX Spectrum in the early 80’s, or defender on my mates 2600, I could only dream of this technology. As a 54 year old geek, I absolutely love it!
In other words, I like VR…
I've had triple angled screens since 2007, currently got quad 4k's, haven't set up sims properly yet, but just going straight in DCS World or sitting in the car in Assetto Corsa, VR wins so bigly for immersion.
I also have the quest2 but for racing it's awful, I can't stand the resolution. Give me triples, I just use 3x 1080P. The immersion thing is fun though the first time, for about an hour. I haven't touched the quest2 for about a year now. Don't get me wrong though, the whole idea and experience is awesome, the quality is just not there. I need atleast a 5000 series geforce and 8k VR headset to enjoy Assetto Corsa with all the great details enabled that CSP has to offer. Currently my 3080 is barely getting 75fps on a triple screen 1080p setup, but AC is extremely heavy though (I mean, CAN be extremely heavy)
@@stefankoopmans2200 what's the quest2 image Vs reverb g2v2?
@@stefankoopmans2200 though, I'm thinking back to the last time I went karting, I think the track looked like 60P with 32x motion blur and 12x frame tearing.....
@@stefankoopmans2200 I don’t have a ‘mega’ pc, but it’s decent. 5800x3d with a 3070 Ti. I run the Quest 2 at 90Hz with it at full 1.5x. I spent some time tweaking the many different settings (using guides on YT) and it looks great and locked at 90fps for nearly every track. Slight drops when starting with a grid of 30 cars or above. The image quality isn’t as good as a G2 by all accounts, but it’s streets ahead of the CV2, which I had years ago. I know what you mean about the resolution, but tbh, when I’m in a racing battle, I don’t really notice the lack of eye candy. I’m ‘there’ in the race. The immersion trumps graphics every time for me. But everyone’s different. I’d love to see a Varejo Aero. Bet that’s stunning!?
For racing and flight sims I love my Reverb G2. 3100x3100 (approx) res per eye.
Only downside is LCD and not OLED so blacks can be a bit bright for some.
psvr2 is the only one i've found truely immersed without light bleed and only limited screen door effect on the outside. htc was just frustrating to get working after multiple updates and 3 cables going back to the PC lol but yeah i'd hope for more.
Can you review the Pimax headsets? Would make for a great video
YES PLEASE 🙏
I can't even justify the cost of a VR headset above $400. I use mine primarily for DCS World and a few racing sims. My Quest 2 (with Link, of course) still gives me what I need.
Wait until you see real VR hmds like Varjo Aero or Pimax crystal
@@x32i77 are those $400?
@@StevenRogers-mero909 no 2400$ Varjo Aero and 1780$ for pimax crystal
@@x32i77 yeah I'm sure it's great, but like I said, I'm not going above $400. Lol
6:43 jay as a bug nahhhhhh , jay with steampunk welding googles yessssss
Was hoping you would use it in this video too. I recently tried it at an event and the form factor and mixed reality was the two best features. I love the idea the headset alone weighs 270g but obviously that’s without any power/battery. Like Jay said one day you want VR to be like a pair of glasses. The cost killed my interest. I want an all in one XR headset and comfort is very subjective. The Quest Pro is known as one of the most uncomfortable/comfortable headsets in VR due to the lack of adjustability in the front pad. It can literally strangle a users forehead but I personally enjoy it. Barely use it though. Anyway, great video from you guys as always and looking forward to what Apple offers
If you want an amazing, non-racing VR experience, get Half-life: Alyx. The main game is amazing and engaging with immersive mechanics. For example, covering your mouth to prevent you from coughing and attracting a certain enemy. But all the free workshop campaigns are also amazing. From mini golf to a John Wick simulator, all built on the same game engine.
I just got into VR with the PlayStation VR2 and loving it righr now. No motion sickness at all.
Been a great experience
I'm still really f-cked with the VR sickness. Is hardcore sometimes, I got a friend that almost puke.
Jay, you need to get ahold of someone at bigscreen, the new bigscreen VR allows prescription lenses and its way smaller and lighter, and while its only tethered, it should be perfect for your use case as a PC racer, as that is my main use for VR as well... keep the VR stuff coming, really enjoying it!
meanwhile, I paid almost half that in Canadian funds for the Rift S, and while the refresh rate is at the minimum for VR, I find it fine. Works just as well as the HTC Vive I tried at a VR Cafe.
Look into the bigscreen headset once it releases if your priority is lightweightedness. That thing is tiny (and far out of my budget :cry:)
Nooo everyone else is going to jump the gun on the bandwagon, we should keep this hidden and not make it entirely popular, although I know it be bad for business but still
if i wasnt saving for the "new" vive trackers i would already preordered the bigscreen headset
Does the adjustment within the eye account for astigmatism?
Of course not. That's not physically possible with glass. I have the same problem. It would need to flex on one axis but not the other. I mean I'm sure someone could achieve it, but that much glass would be way too heavy. Look at anamorphic cinema lenses.
I just upgraded from the HTC vive to the valve Index 2 weeks ago. this was one of my options i was thinking of grabing. but so many people still say the index is still so good for its price. and it is good
I was in the moment that you mentioned adjustment for prescription lenses....then right back out when I saw the max setting on the dial is 6.
I feel like VR needs a other 5 to 10 years to not suck especially if you have glasses. All the bits where Jay said it was uncomfortable and the visor was hitting his eyelids when he blinks, for example.
Nope, just buy prescription lenses and a better headset maybe with comfort-mod like the Pico 4 and it's even cheap. VR is quite awesome already, but outside of racing- and flight-sims there is a severe lack of AAA-games. I had no problems wearing glasses with the Pico 4, but the image-quality with VR-lenses is significantly better.
Bigscreen Beyond is a headset that's custom for an individual. You gotta scan your face and they create a face mold with tailored IPD adjusted lenses, and you can add magnetic prescription lenses to them. Makes them harder to share, but so far all the reviewers say it's FAR more comfortable than everything else. (they're also super small and light) They start shipping Q3 this year.
and another 20 years for all new AAA games to have full native seamless support no different than plugging in a controller.
@@ashleyjohansson230 well that may be far off, but at least we'll be getting a nice chunk of AAA games with VR support very soon due to the unreal engine mod being worked on by praydog. It'll even have limited (3dof) motion control support for aiming.
The built in correction lenses are always spherical (myopic/hyperopic correction). If you got more than +/-6.0 dpt, you‘d have to wear glasses and same in case of astigmatism which needs cylindrical lenses for correction. This is a general problem for all optics (e.g. rifle scopes, binoculars,..). Yeah, this is sad, but for a large demographic group, this still isn‘t satisfyingly useable… btw, as I saw, the ring goes from 0-6, but it doesn‘t say if + or -? So it is only for short OR farsighted people, not both (in more sophisticated optics you get +6…0…-6 for example.) This is even worse then….let alone the very poor ergonomics of the frame….
Exactly my thoughts... Cylinder customers are OUT. And if you need the Opposite of either +/- you're also OUT.
Also, if it's just for basic +/- dpt changes, then those lenses can be quite inexpensive both as 'off the shelf' glasses (ie get a different style pair than you would normally wear to suit purely VR use, or even hack up to mount on headset) or clip-on lenses. I paid less than £20 for a pair of lenses to fit my Quest 2 (luckily my astigmatism is just one eye and very slight so not a massive issue), and one of my friends paid only a little more for a very basic pair of prescription glasses which he has fashioned into something similar.
Sure, it's a feature for convenience/ux reasons, but for someone spending that much on a headset, it feels a bit of a half measure.
@@NFMorley My EDC glasses for astig are 150$+ (no fashion brand of anything, just great glasswork). So ofc i'd prefer OTG (over the glasses) goggles.
I haven't seen any great VR implementations yet, closest is Sony, but those are platform locked.
And I wouldn't be able to afford VR anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Especially overpriced low quality plastic landfill :))
Man, really agree about the facial interface. I have a beak of a nose that gets cut up by the headset limiting my use to 30min. I hope with this video some company makes a facial interface that closes on the side and bottom properly and doesn't dig into my nose! I love the device because the image quality is really clear, the tracking is really good and not needing wires to play games on the PC is really amazing!
I've got a few recommendations for VR titles for you to play that aren't racing games. Boneworks and BoneLab are both amazing titles that show what happens when developers don't play it safe.
Personally, I'm excited for the Bigscreen Beyond headset. If small form factor is what you are looking for, well the Beyond certainly deliver on that front. Specs-wise they are also top notch, just have to wait and see how the launch goes.
I am more excited for Pimax crystal because the fov on the big screen beyond isn't immersive
yup, got mine ordered + audio strap.
Except the FOV sucks shit, the refresh rate is mediocre, it's wired tethered only (fucking barf) and the already super high price doesn't including tracking or controllers. (All in w/ SteamVR 2.0 base stations + Knuckles it's nearly $2000.... 😑). IMO the only people the Beyond really makes sense for are the diehard social VR obsessives, who will likely find it REVELATORY simply due to the size & weight when spending ≈4+ hours in VR at a time. Think the people that basically live in VRChat. For everyone else they should just wait for Quest 3 later this year which will be a VASTLY better VR headset for most normal people.
@@Cooe. how do you like the Pimax crystal
@@x32i77 I wouldn't personally buy ANYTHING from Pimax. 🤷 They have the worst execution track record, build quality, and customer service in the entire XR industry, and it's not even CLOSE.
Again, I'd wait for Quest 3 before buying anything because just like Quest 2 before it, it is HIGHLY likely to make a number of vastly more expensive headsets basically redundant on release.
Have you considered preording a Bigscreen Beyond? It's a SteamVR lighthouse-tracked headset, so you would need base stations + controllers (so price will be a bit higher), but it looks like it's a way more comfortable option over the XR Elite.
They share the Quest Pro around for racing each other all the time. I can't see bigscreen beyond working well for their usecase.
Still on the Quest 2 here. have 2 of them. I'm waiting on the Quest 3 for an upgrade. Nothing recent has had even the remote chance of competing with the Quest's bang for buck yet. As a primarily wireless pcvr user via wifi, I can sort of agree with your assessment. I think the wireless quality is great. Latency can be an issue. But really I only find it an issue in multiplayer FPS. As for the latest XR stuff, I've only found a handful of experiences where it really wows me. TribeXR being my favorite implementation.
Honestly for me this is the first VR headset that I am truly interested in. I need to wear glasses be able to see so having the adjustment has me very intrigued I cannot wait for the review.
you can get prescription lens inserts that just clip in to place for most headsets now. while it's great to see some built in options for this headset i doubt it would cater for my astigmatism. so please don't feel like this is the only headset you could use
We love VR, don't we folks?
No , makes me feel vomity .
only in beatsaber or Elite dangerous.
@@salemas5 gah I can't wait to get me a vr set up for E.D.
Only for like....3 games lol
@@gazzertrn need to stretch those VR legs took me a week. Still can’t do driving games though.
Oh Jay! Speaking of small VR headsets, have you seen the Bigscreen one? ThrillSeeker and i think VR Oasis have done videos on it.
I'm a smaller guy about 5'5" and I picked up the vive xr elite for $780 used on bhpboto and it's super comfortable for me. I love not having to wear glasses while using it cause I'm a sweaty guy and it drips on my glasses. The fact I can just put it on and play is a big reason I bought it since I rarely used my old vr headset cause of the inconveniences of launching vr software, putting in all the wires, and not having to adjust the headset for my glasses. I do wish the fov was larger and the face cushion was a bit bigger and had stronger magnets.
Phil's laugh is always a golden moment. Such a full-hearted laugh
To me VR is the most incredible thing in years and years. It's subjective but the feeling of immersion you can get is second to none and when the experience is good there is nothing quite like it. Not only for racing sims (I could never play a racing game without VR again after seeing how amazing it is inside a headset) but for everything else too.
I know they are going for small and light form factors, but I also wonder what it would be like if they basically made a motorcycle helmet with a visor.
With the size and stuff you could put in it, it would probably weigh more, but it would also distribute the weight a lot across your entire head.
lel dat phil wearing da housing make him insta like minions
good humour there, thumbs up man!
I wanted to ask you what is your opinion on gigabyte motherboards is because I wanna keep with a gigabyte motherboard/graphic card.
I’m no fan of the Vive headset, but Christ what a pointless video… what about the using the thing?
Man literally said within the first 2 mins “so realistically this video today is just gonna be an unboxing and first look at what you get.”
The adjustment for the lenses is a huge selling point!
Quest Pro Stereo-accurate '3D reconstructed 'passthrough is made primarily for overlaying 3D virtual objects. It's probably the most robust standalone mixed reality device out right now.
Thanks for taking a look at more VR hardware, for Simulation games take a look at Varjo Aero or Pimax Crystal, or a loaner unit from XTAL for that heavy price point VR. Or give a Looking Glass Factory demo monitor loaner unit a try for testing their 3D glasses-free effect! 😊
As someone who only does combat flight sims with VR (original Rift) like DCS, I’m waiting on better resolution and refresh rate along with more wide VR headsets like PiMax.
For analogue aircraft, like the F-14, it’s hard to read the analogue gauges.
The wide angle lense would also be closer to real life field of view and would allow me to see what’s behind me w/o breaking my neck. Right now, it’s like looking through a ski mask with blinders on both sides.
Also, some of these head sets really need active cooling. Fogging as another issue along with dealing with the inevitable sweat resulting from the headset’s heat.
Right now, TrackIR is still what I prefer using in most cases.
Comfort sure is important, even the little things becomes major as you spend hours using your VR headset.
I wish my PS VR2 would also work with PC.
I still have my original VIVE. 6yrs or more since i got it. Still works great. Im looking to invest on another HTC Vive, also looking at the Valve index.
That dial for each eye is awesome.
Hopefully you get your hands on a bigscreen beyond...should be very light and comfy.
The flexible rings are there to absorb impact. It's saved my g2 controllers many times. Full force hits against walls, metal and glass. I have scars and the controllers survived
I sim raced VR only for 4 years & was a total VR only fan-boy (HTC Vive Pro 2018 which is awesome & I recommend 100%). I switched to 32" curved triples a few months ago & I've never once felt like I missed it. The 'immersion' that is such a big deal is 99% just as real in triples once you're driving but you can be in the rig for 6 hours instead of 2 hours. Same sort of spend & I guess it's nice to have the option but it'll be a long time before I go back to VR.
6:44 It looks like Jay's eyes are looking at two different things at each side, lmao!
12:41, it looks like thats a slit to attach the additional strap to. But I did not get enough of a view of the strap, maybe it doesn't fir through there.
I have my eyes on bigscreen vr atm. ive not gotten my hands on it or tried it yet, but i belive it might be the vr to go for atm. i have been testing most of whats out there, so i "think" of the experience i have, that its worth getting. There is maby an small problem with it. its a personal vr, that you cant share with others. due its custom made for you only. by that its by face and your eye sight. but from what i see and read, it might be the best you can get for your self, and only your self. the hard part for me, is that i also like to share my experience in vr with others, so they can see and test my stuff.
FIrst time poster, long time watcher. Jay, Love, love, love your content keep up the great work. Any who, I was just talking to my wife about taking the VR plunge, and this WAS a major contender. You just saved me some money. Thanks again for the great content.
If you wanted the smaller set should of gotten Bigscreen Beyond new oled headset also formed for your face with 3d scan u send to them...
XR is the all encompassing term for VR, MR and AR. VR + AR as you described is called "Mixed Reality" or MR.
have you looked into the bigscreen beyond? they're basically the size of swim goggles.. downside is they're basically fitted to 1 person
Reminds me of the phone holder ones we would get in at Dollar Tree for Christmas, looks just as cheap to.
I still love my Valve Index. Paid 1500 Canadian for the complete set, back in I believe it was in 2018. I use it for mainly driving sims such as American Truck sim. For those who haven't experienced it, puts you right in the game. So much more immersive, adds a whole new level to gaming! Im running an entry card right now gtx 1070. Can't wait for a better graphics card. The reason I went with the Valve Index, the controllers. They attach to your hands vs holding the controllers! 😁 Jay, you guys should consider trying that system. Can you add this system in your review Phill?
thank you for sizing it. cant wait for Phil's review
I've got a quest 2 and looking for something new, wireless is definitely the way to go, and im wanting something light. I def recommend waiting for people in a similar situation. The quest 3, valve deckard, and apple xr headset are all expected to get more info soon, worthwhile to wait on those!
the Apple MR headset is reportedly in the $3000 range! Which is crazy.
oooo nice
if those adjusters can also correct for astigmatism, that's a winner for me
I have a valve index, I love it but people may not love the wires but that just means you can play hours without charging. But I’m sitting in a racing sim rig and not moving around a room.
well done and not charging all the time