THE BATHTUB KILLER - Andrea Yates
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2021
- Andrea Yates drowned her 5 children on June 2001 and was sent to prison for life with the possibility of parole after 40 years. Yates had been suffering with postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis for some time. She was deemed sane. Join emma Kenny where she takes you into the world of Andrea Yates, what her opinion is and how this sad tale unfolded.
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She did so well to be able to physically voice her concerns about being around her own children.. it's a shame no one took her seriously enough to prevent this from happening.
The system failed her and her children and so did her husband. 🖤
In a weird way I kinda feel for Rusty too.....
.....hear me out.......
He clearly had no idea that post partum psychosis is a thing.
To be fair, most of the world still doesn't know.
They all heard of post natal depression
Rusty probably didn't even know that post natal depression is a real thing.....he had an unusually rigid understanding of the world....probably thought it means you feel a little bit flat.....
But psychosis is an entirely different kettle of fish...
.Rusty may have been a control freak....but I doubt he understood the limits of his control.
As emotionally immature as Andrea, I reckon.
I don't think he could have imagined what would eventually transpire.....
It's tragic from beginning to end
What a great point, Gillian - she was brave enough to ‚turn herself in‘ and yet still wasn‘t taken seriously.
@@saraa6040 his second wife divorced him, so there’s definitely a lot wrong with this guy.
Oh Emma when this story broke we Americans hated Rusty and thought he should also be charged for the murder of his children as an accessory.
I agree. There was sooo many times he could've and should have taken her to the hospital. And especially not left her alone with the kids after telling him she was so scared she would hurt them. He was selfish and obviously didnt love his wife.
I think he could have definitely been charged with manslaughter at least.
How about negligent homicide? He neglected the needs of his wife and children, knowing that injury and/or death were possibilities.
@@rondajefferson7373 In my own opinion I believe negligent homicide should apply in this case.
I still think he should be
Cried from beginning to end of this one.
My birth mother suffered post partum psychosis after my birth. I was her 5th child. She attempted infanticide but my 13yr old sister saved my life......an experience which has had an immense impact on her own mental wellbeing ever since.
I was placed into the care system and eventually adopted at 3yrs old.
The compassion shown by Emma in this story is wonderful to my ears.
How often to we hear it declared that no decent mother could ever harm their children?
This statement sounds so reasonable, yet hits a nerve with me that causes severe anxiety.
I know different
I know my mother was a very good mother until my birth.
I know she did not choose to develop psychosis
I am blessed to be a mother of 4.
I was monitored through my 3rd and 4th pregnancies due to my family history as my grandmother had developed psychosis after one of her twins was still born. The surviving twin was my mother.....
I was beyond terrified that it may happen to me.
Utterly utterly terrified.
I had my first two children before I knew the facts behind my adoption. I was pregnant with my 3rd when my adopted father told me my story. He was very drunk. He needed the 'Dutch courage' to raise the matter. He felt I needed to know. He had known and 'protected' me from the details for 30yrs!
He was right to tell me.
I was able to get support in place. Once my GP read my records it was taken very seriously.
Thankfully, it never happened to me. Maybe my education on the matter prevented it? Or maybe it was a genetic skip in my generation..... I have 3 blood sisters. None of us developed psychosis.
Either way, we MUST discuss these terrible ordeals to learn from them and to help one another.
I'm sharing some deeply traumatic and personal stuff here....I do so because I believe that we can learn so much when we listen to one another with a will to experience true empathy.
Thankyou Emma
its not genetic
That was so well said and especially coming from someone who has a story themselves. I think the way she told this story was very well. Andrea isn't necessarily the bad guy. She truly needed help and she wasn't in her right mind. There is a big difference between that and just being a shit parent. It's such a tragic story and she was failed aswell as the kids.
I'm sorry and I'm thankful you survived. My mother was never really a part of my life until I became an adult because of mental health issues. I know thats not the same by any means but I do feel empathetic for your situation.
May you find peace darling ♡︎♡︎
I have bi-polar and these stories do worry me but getting support with my dr's and partner. I do have sympathy for women who are genuinely not well like Andrea or your mother. So happy your story was different for your sisters as well.
This all brings back some rotten memories of my ex husband. He was controlling, emotionally and financially abusive. He reeled me in by pretending to be a good Christian man. He was the poster child for a wolf in sheep's clothing. Before we got married he went to church every week, read his Bible, etc. The second we got married it all changed. He immediately stopped going to church. Then....he claimed he was a prophet. Not kidding. He also decided we needed to sale stuff. And it was all mine. I made over $2000 on that yard sale and I never got a dime of it. Thank the Lord, I got out after 4 years. That was 4 years too long. I was very fortunate to have a great support system that helped me through it.
@Carol, I am so sorry that you were subjected to such abhorrent behaviour by that selfish, awful man. It is good to see that you got clear & I hope that you are now living your best life without any lingering repercussions. Well done & best wishes from me to you, 💖
@@malbowman9789 Thanks so much. I have a great life now. :) I have a wonderful husband and children, a great job, a great home, etc. Of course there are always struggles, but nothing like what it was with my ex. God has blessed me so much and I am so thankful to be in a healthy and strong marriage now.
I just feel like many of these self-righteous type religious men tend to have the biggest ego's ever and feel like they just rule the home while the wife is just there to exist to serve him and what comes from him (children). Instead of treating her as a HUMAN being with thoughts and feelings. He acts like only his thoughts and desires matters. It's the loneliness kind of marriage. When there's no emotional connection, then what is there?
@@carolschafer4667 I had to look at your name to make sure my dad wasn't married to you before. I'm glad you got out and remarried ❤
When you said you had a strong opinion on this case that others may disagree with I got nervous. My grandmother killed herself due to psychosis, she lived with us for the last part of her life. I've experienced psychosis for several periods of my life. But can I just say, THANK YOU for doing this case Justice. I feel gratitude to you, so grateful for how you structured and told us this case. Going through and helping others understand Andrea's psychosis thought process. You are an angel Emma, thank you.
My heart breaks that you lost your nan in that way
@@stacey6887 knowing she's reunited with her husband and youngest daughter keeps me going, despite the trauma and heartbreak it caused x
@@annabelleelizabeth4179 i am glad that you can find some peace with that. I lost my partner to suicide last year. I wish he could have get the help he needed here but atleast he is no longer in constant pain
@@stacey6887 it always aches my heart when these things happen, It must feel so raw still. I'm not religious but I like to think they're watching over us, walking with us through our lives on earth even still even if we can't feel, touch or hear them.
Lost my brother to suicide when we were both 21 sorry for your loss Anabelle
Her light just goes out after marrying him. She goes from a beautiful young woman to a tired frau…
It blows my mind how Rusty was never held accountable for his culpability in what happened.
So so very sad 😥
I absolutely agree with you… but emotional abuse is either not taken seriously, or is too easily dismissed. It‘s hard to dismiss broken bones and bruises with ‚stop being so sensitive‘…
@@lornarettig3215 I agree so much with both of you
@@lornarettig3215 I used to wish my abuser would just hit me. Because he never did (and I honestly believe he never would have) I have to deal with him because we share a child. And how he’s starting to torment her the same way he tormented me. And there’s nothing I can do other than love her through it.
agreed, he dimmed her shine. She was complete passivity to him.
Emma, how you share about your dad in this episode makes me want to send you the biggest hug. The way you describe a catatonic state was through the eyes of someone that knows . This story is so heart breaking as Andrea gave so many warnings and cries for help. So many chances to help her and stop her. Throwing meds at her … up down up down… the poor woman. I can’t even get started on Rusty…. Anyhow … another excellently delivered case… you make us feel like we are sitting in your front room. Roll on Wednesday for the next one.
My dad had severe depression, which is not even remotely as catastrophic as schizophrenia, but it caused him to be neglectful and mean. But then randomly ask me if he was a good dad, and also make me his wailing wall when he had to talk. It messed me up pretty badly.
When she so openly just talks about this, I feel weirdly validated. Like ok yeah, the way she’s talking helps convince my inner child that none of that was my fault.
@@BeckBeckGoMuch Love ❤️
Started crying when you thanked your Dad at the end. 🥺 A positive is that by having first hand experience with psychosis, you've been able to help others understand it in a better light. Your Dad would be proud of you for raising more awareness. ❤
When you said about one of the kids coming up for air and saying “im sorry” completely broke me and i sobbed….just awful 😢
Can’t wait for this one. I feel so sorry for Andrea, her husband didn’t support her when she was told not to have more children and the children paid the ultimate price for her psychosis
Her husband couldn’t stand the thought of appearing to not be able to ‘manage’ his own family troubles. He wouldn’t want others to think he was less than capable 🙄. Said it already…can’t understand how he wasn’t held as an accessory at the very least 😞 This could have been avoided. A good stent in a psychiatric facility and a divorce attorney would have done Andrea good.
@@thehaglin They say that a person's own ego can be their worst enemy, I feel that was the case with Rusty.
@@ramatajabbi9742 I agree. His ego wouldn’t let him admit that his wife needed help from a doctor and that he couldn’t fix the issue. His ego stopped him from getting his wife help which lead to his kids death.
I've looked for awhile for a case discussion on Andrea that offered insight. Thank you so much for providing it! I was shocked when I researched Woroniecki because he sounds an awful lot like a "cult leader" and he was said to be a huge influence on Rusty. We know how Rusty liked to consider himself as "in charge" of the household and his word was law, I can only imagine how much Andrea suffered because of both of these men.
Emma Kenny, your empathy is such a light in this world!! Thank you for being a role model with a compassionate heart in a climate of judgement and criticism. You are very appreciated ❤️❤️❤️
One of the contributing factors to this case is Rusty and his selfishness ,so no you are not being to hard on Rusty. This case smacks of religious zealotry. Love your insight and slight sarcasm ,it's definitely required.
I wasn’t aware of this case, so thank you for sharing it. How utterly tragic. Those poor babies. Rusty had a massive part in all of this. It didn’t need to end like it did. Thank you so much for sharing your own/family’s experience of psychosis. I’m so sorry that you lost your precious Dad to it. One of my closest friends has schizophrenia and it is indeed “fckn horrible” when she’s psychotic. Have known her to walk through town barefoot, to find the portal (an area where cliffs are) so she can throw herself into it. Doing this will save us all. Awful illness. Absolutely awful. Thanks for all the work you do in putting these videos together. I really appreciate it ❤️
Totally agree with you... he had a massive part to play in this ! x
Oh and so religious that he divorced his wife! What was that about in sickness and health....
@@tmieward
Remarried and had another child, glad the wife woke up n divorced him.
Rusty was soo to blame. That smiling bastard!
I struggled with post natal depression, this story is the saddest thing I've ever heard 😢 I feel like she was badly failed by her husband and the mental health professionals that worked with her! She was asking for help from the beginning and voiced her concerns about her feelings, I think if she was taken seriously from the start and got the help and support she needed them five poor babies could have been saved 💔 heartbreaking, god rest their souls 👼🏻👼🏻👼🏻👼🏻👼🏻
And the US health care system that made her go off the one drug that was helping and go back on the one that was cheaper.
Yeah this resonates with me. I didn’t realize it, but I had post natal depression and anxiety. For the first month or so after my daughter was born, I cried nonstop because I loved her so much. I was so afraid someone would hurt her. I had nightmares about her being trafficked or abducted.
The hospital staff knew what I didn’t and they magically somehow knew why. When I went into the hospital to give birth, they asked my asshat husband to leave and then frankly asked me if I felt safe. I thought that was probably just standard protocol.
It wasn’t. My OBGYN was very concerned about him and alerted the hospital before I went in.
The hospital didn’t want to let me go. They kept me for five days, with my little girl by my side, so they could be sure I was safe. They sent in passels of social workers to talk to me about my life. One was very upfront. They didn’t suspect me of being anything other than a happy new mother. But they didn’t like my husband. They were concerned about his behaviour. Which is so ironic. Because his conduct in the maternity ward was him on his absolute best behaviour. And I thank my OBGYN forever for alerting hospital staff. Because it’s all on record now.
Having my daughter made me realize that staying with that man would not only mean I’d provide her with a stressful childhood, but that it would teach her terrible lessons about how spouses should treat each other (in my case how men should treat women.)
I left him shortly after giving birth and I don’t regret it even for a hot second. But it was a hard time. When I left, he got worse. It was nonstop harassment, stalking, threats of having me deported (I’m an immigrant) or having my daughter taken away, threats of him one day poisoning my daughter against me. Just a nonstop barrage of shit and terror. And the first two years of that blessed child’s life were so hard for me. I felt lost. I felt scared and alone. And I found my sanity in holding that dear child. Feeding her (and I breastfed until she was 2) and just rebuilding a brand new life with her.
It’s been six years and he’s still going strong, but the frequency is dying down. And our judge can’t stand him, which has helped me to regain some sense of personal power and peace.
He destroyed his family and went on to remarry. Absolute callousness.
I've watched documentaries on Andrea Yates but this has been much more thorough with information I never heard before. I really empathize with Andrea because so much she was going through alone. Truthfully, Andrea needed so much more emotional support. Great video 👍
I think Andrea Yeats was let down by a lot of people especially her husband. My heart aches for those innocent babies but also for Andrea and I am so glad she is getting the help she needs. May she find peace in the remainder of her life. Thank you Emma for the compassion you have shown for this very sick lady. ❤️
Agreed. I feel her husband did not understand what was going on with her at all.
I've struggled with mental health issues all of my life, not to the extent she did, but so many people don't understand the anguish it causes.
So it's OK for a mom to kill her kids?
Hey Suzanne william-james you're saying it's OK for a mom with mental illness to MURDER her 5 kids you're prolly a mom that wants to kill her kids too
@@justinhall3928 you can hate her actions and still feel empathy for her. She has to live with what she did every day of her life. She was sick.
@@samr4924 👍
It seems like Rusty Yates went out of his way to literally drive his wife crazy!!!
Oh please! Learn more about the facts? 😂😂
I tend to agree with you . He knew the consequences of wanting another child and he knew she would go off her meds to do it . If that isn't going out of his way to make her crazy I don't know what else it was . Also keeping her in that bus while raising the first4 babies without those new fangled disposable diapers would do it for me
@@carolneloy2140 if I was stuck in a bus with lots of children and having to wash nappies...something would snap and it just might be my sanity
@@cindyrussell1581 And what facts are those?
@@cindyrussell1581
Seems you are deaf to the facts of what Rusty DID to his wife. Power, control, misogyny and treating Andrea as a womb at his command. He used his bastardized views of religion to withhold mental health treatment, keep her basically barefoot and pregnant without a support system. He sold her possessions, isolated her, demeaned her. Basically he was a bastard pretending to be a goo "Christian", lol nothing could have been further from the truth. He was the personification of 😈 evil.
I've been saying for literally years, that Andrea was extremely mentally ill, who even WARNED that she was going to hurt her children but yet no one intervened. Her so called husband was just happy enough to have her isolated from everyone but him. Everyone around her let her down. This case highlights mental illness in its most horrific form. God love these poor children that were snatched away so young 😢
As someone who also has psychotic episodes this one's really made my stomach turn, but even then I don't know how she didn't break sooner.
Never have I heard someone explain so accurately and passionately how it feels to be in/living with psychosis and how horribly wrong it can go with the wrong guidance. My heart aches for everyone in this case .. Emma and her daddy too 🙁
Growing up with my own mother having schizophrenia, I feel so sad for these children and Andrea not getting the help she desperately needed. I’m sorry but her husband was delusional as well for not acknowledging the seriousness and handling the situation appropriately.
I feel like she was just there to breed for him in his mind.
I'm with you guys and Emma too, I know Emma gave Rusty a hard time in the video, I think he too should have taken some responsibility of his wife, in my eyes he was also very negligent in his behaviour, with having a 5th child. Very sad all round. Should never have happened. 😊
It's crazy how females stick together if a mom kills her kids they feel bad for the mom you know what you all are the problem you don't feel bad for the kids????
Yea when a man kills his kids he sucks but when a mom kills her kids she gets sympathy tell you what you can find that word in between shit and syphilis
@@justinhall3928 of course everyone feel bad for the children. Unfortunately mental health isn't just so black and white.
This was amazing. Severe mental health issues are so often still seen as not being real. This shows what can happen when psychosis is not treated properly. Thank you for bringing attention to this Emma. X
Thankyou
I remember this case from when I was a kid, my mother felt awful for Andrea. I remember her talking a lot about postpartum and how hard it could be, she was a nurse and mother of 4. Fast forward to when I was 24 my mom ended up with severe psychosis. It was heart breaking to see a woman who was a highly respected nurse and a wonderful loving mother deteriorate mentally into someone I could barely recognize. By the next year she was on hardcore drugs and died of an overdose. I’m about to be 38 and the feelings and emotions surrounding all of that experience are still just as fresh today as they were went I was going through it. There’s something about mental health that is so hard to cope with. We have family that still don’t even know that things happened like that, we told most people she died from heart failure. Technically it’s true but completely taken out of context. I now have my own children and my biggest fear is leaving them to live on without me or getting a mental illness where I’m not all there anymore. It’s terrifying to think that these things are not just nightmares they really can happen to good, loving people. I’m sorry you lost your dad to psychosis Emma ❤ I’m sure he is so incredibly proud of who you are. I don’t know you really but you do seem like a wonderful person.
I've been in psychosis. Your POV of your father's experience with it made me bawl like a baby. It's very accurate. My condolences to you and your family. She deserved so much better. Those babies deserved better.
I have seen this case so many times and have always felt anger towards this woman. Now I sit hear in tears. How much help could she ask for? Your compassion, talent and personalised perspective on your channel blow me away Emma! 💚💜💚 x
As someone who lives with psychosis I thank you 🙏 for understanding. It is literally terrifying, not at the time but the after effects of things said and done in that state potentially damage the people you love the most.
I blame her husband. I think he treated her like an incubator and his arrogance was disgusting in the aftermath.
He should have faced charges because he knew she wasn’t well and he endangered his children knowingly.
💚💜💚
Thankyou xxxxx
To understand why, you may wish to read the comment I posted on this stream as a survivor of infanticide caused by post partum psychosis
@@saraa6040 oh darling I am so very sorry. 💙
@@TeamBTC17 what a cute message to receive at this silly hour!
Please keep listening and learning, as you clearly do.
You are really, really needed for us to survive in this age of hedonism and narcissism
Blessings to you
Please be well x
This husband has to take some responsibility for the torture he put his wife through. I hope he is a better man now. He pushed Andrea over and over again, almost daring her to do it. Thanks for your insight Emma 🇦🇺🐨🇦🇺💖❤️💖
I agree. He kept putting Andrea through so much stress. For example always moving houses which made her stressed being In a new place and not having any help. It seems he didn’t understand or believe that his wife was really sick and didn’t see how bad things really were.
It is so refreshing to hear somebody advocate for mental health illnesses, and introduce those without prior knowledge and understanding to a world they hopefully never have to experience for themselves! I do watch your videos but I don't comment. However, I really felt the need to acknowledge the amazing approach you took when filming this video
This is one of the rare cases where it hurts me for the children and the killer. As a mom who struggled with postpartum depression and having special needs children I’ve struggled with mental health. I hurt for Andrea, she needed help and her poor children needed their mother to get help. This is probably the saddest story.
Andrea wanted help but felt she had no one to go to for treatment. She didn’t have anywhere to turn to get help. Her family should of gotten help for her. They should of confronted Rusty to get Andrea help but no one did anything
Just watched to the end...yes, she's NOT a murderer, she was BROKEN and I REALLY feel so much empathy for her. It's absolutely horrific what she did but she WASN'T in the right state of mind at all!!! Poor poor woman 😢😢😢 got choked watching this.... Very Upsetting!
I've always thought Rusty was a bad guy in this situation. Andrea was a very unwell lady. Yes, she was the one who killed her children. But, if Rusty would have shown any compassion or common sense at any point during her struggles maybe her children would still be alive.
Oh 😂 please always blaming the guy! Straight up she killed them, takes 2 to have kids.....
@@cindyrussell1581 ignorance is bliss
@@cindyrussell1581 the picture of ignorance smh
@@agapeeternal yeah whatever, just think 5beautiful children, no excuse.
@@cindyrussell1581 when you’ve suffered through psychosis, let me know.
I am a retired nurse worked in the intensive care unit and I have been diagnosed with BPD, panic disorder, GAD, OCD, bipolar. Had it since I was 15. Diagnosed at 50, now 55. Life was and is still very difficult. I had to retire early as my mental health was getting worse. I grew up in a family where my parents were very narcissistic and emotionally neglectful, yelling was the way we communicated, my sister and brother have the same mental health issues as me. No love, no touching no attachment was made at birth. We were fed, clothed and a home. That was it. Very basic. Thank you for all the work you do. I really enjoy your channel. Thank you 🙏
I was 14 when this happened. I immediately felt sick learning of it, but as soon as I heard the word psychosis I understood. What I don’t understand is why people didn’t clearly see Rusty as a perpetrator of coercive and controlling domestic violence as opposed to just negligent. This case is just a tragedy. Emma thank you for bringing so much insight and vulnerability to this video by bravely sharing your lived experience.
I still have mixed emotions on this, to me the Husband is an absolute arsehole! It seems very much like there were things he could've done to help but instead carried on taking from this broken woman 😰, those poor poor poor children 😱😭😭😭
I hate when religion is used as the excuse for those terrible living conditions , poverty does not make you closer to God! 🤬 Being turned into a slave for a man don't make you holy either.
Absolutely !!
Well said
I felt your pain talkin about your dad💛 Rest in peace Emma's dad.
This is a prime example of why we need to listen what people say even if it sounds “crazy” to us. Things like that don’t come from nowhere. And when the majority of society refuses to take mentally ill people or victims of abuse seriously, that’s when we’re ensuring that sooner or later something awful WILL happen. It’s so sad and so preventable
Just watched this episode I think you explained this story really and it is truly awful that still mental health is not taken seriously. I’ve been suffering with post natal depression and post natal psychosis for nearly 2 years now so found this extremely hard to watch yet completely relatable. Thank you for sharing this story and your own too. The more people that are taught about mental health the more people can understand and support.
Can't wait. Everything Emma Kenny does is literally incredible. Such unique talent
Wow! As a mother who suffered with post natal depression ( cut all my long hair off) my heart goes out to her. I would say Rusty is to blame for the death of there children.
I 100% agree with everything that Emma has said.
RIP to those beautiful children 🙏
I feel you, my older brother snapped at 20 struggling with coming out. He would burst into random violent fits where he would attack my mother and I. I love him, I always will. It's not his falt.
The most compassionate and insightful episodes I've seen on UA-cam, great work
OMG you are a gold mine of true crime mystery and intrigue. I never been so addicted to a channel lol
Who else thinks Emma is so brave doing this story. Wot an amazing brave woman. Love that she is so honest. Thank you Emma kenny.
I agree, she was very brave covering this story, and for talking so openly about her poor father RIP..
From all of us who have suffered from post-partum disorders, thank you! You are a knowledgeable and compassionate human.❤❤❤❤❤
You're so brave for covering this case after what you've been through. Thank you Emma, your videos are so informative and your perspectives give me lightbulb moments! You're legendary ♡
"You have two hours a week to do what you want", and I'd be taking those two hours to pack my things and leave.
Yes this!
I know. I was just stating what I would do. I'm not judging other people for not doing it. It's always easier to talk when you are not in the other person's shoes. It's a very complex situation.
My mother is bipolar her dr removed her paxil she had a massive manic episode and cleared out half of the house she regretted it and now she is seeing a new dr her old dr was a quack a pill pusher and didn't take her concerns seriously 3 hospital trips and suicide attempts she is finally doing much better my boyfriend got her a service dog and we have both been there for emotional and mental support
Too right!
Note, any man that treats you like this RUN and run fast.
We are in fact on the same page. My initial reaction was horror, but as I learned more of her story I knew she wasn’t criminally responsible. I was infuriated when Rusty said I forgive her. He bares as much responsibility as anyone. Thanks Emma, I think he was a Dick, but that’s just me.
Screw that. I can forgive a lot, but I cannot forgive RUSTY for being an absolutely disgusting human being. Andrea was a victim as well.
I don’t think it’s just you that thinks he’s a dick. I think half of the population would agree.
Right on. Rusty rots....He pushed her to it and likely well knows it.
@@MissBee13 so well said
Rusty needed to take a mirror 🪞 and take a good look at himself. HE is as responsible for the deaths of those children as Andrea.
The way you told this story with such empathy and honesty about your own experiences is incredible and honestly made me feel so so connected to this case. You are the best on UA-cam Emma!
As a maternity nurse for over 10 years, I saw first hand the scary puerpheral psychosis. Luckily the cases I saw were spotted and treated but terrifying for family members..
It’s interesting to see the nurses testifying to this now when so many people have never heard of it…. I had no idea this even existed until this year and I’m a mom of 3. Scary…. I feel bad for not trying to understand better now because I have had OCD and depression as well as bipolar diagnosis but I never suffered psychosis so it’s very difficult to imagine…. I’ve also done a lot of drugs (and I STILL can’t imagine harming a child) but been recovered for a long time now. I just can’t fathom moms killing their kids it’s truly the most horrible thing in the world 😔
I remember when this case happened. At the time I felt that Rusty should have been held accountable as well. I’m glad that she was able to appeal and receive the right decision. It was brave of you to share your own story. I look forward to Wed & Sun. Thx Emma.
I'm feeling so poorly today and I just want to lay down and watch true crime shows but I'm picking up dropped raisins and watching baby shark on a loop while also attempting to potty train my 2 year old. Bring on bedtime so I can watch this!!
🤗🤗🤗🤗 feel better!
Hun I've been there having had 5 kids of my own while helping to raise my grandson when his mum was young and mentally unwell. I can tell you that this day shall pass and one day you'll look back and wonder where the time went. Truly! Love your baby and leave the raisins on the floor. Do you have a dog that can come and eat them? I know dogs like raisins and some cats like dried apricots. True! I can't eat them in bed as my cat wants to share and I feel guilty so I give her most of them. I don't see much of my own kids these days because they all have lives if their own and my grandson is 16 and doesn't want to stay with grandma anymore, which I TOTALLY get! I hope that this might cheer you up a bit and if we lived in the same town I'd come and get your baby while you went and had a rest. I don't know how "Baby Shark" is on the "boring to mind numbingly boring" scale, but when my kids were growing up it was Teenage Morant Ninja Turtles and Pokemon. I still remember taking my oldest son, whose now 39, and his friends to see Pokemon the movie for his birthday and, apart from the movie "The Plague" that was horredous, I have NEVER had to sit through such an agonising 90 minutes, which felt like an ETERNITY .The whole dialogue was literally "Pokemon, Pokemon, Pokemon" and I almost cheered when it was over BECAUSE it was over. Kind of like the period of time you're in now. Blink and it will be over, I promise. But toilet training is a BITCH! I'm sending you a hug across the ether. From a Grandma in NSW Australia.
@@michellesartori6695 thank you so much ❤❤❤❤
@@amberpask9701 It's my pleasure!
@@michellesartori6695 raisins are deadly for dogs.. not good for them at all.. same with grapes, chocolate and onions. 😊
Rusty needs to be assessed as well, his second marriage broke down just a year after they got married. Currently single again and still pushing his delusional beliefs.
U would have a hard time staying married as well if yr physio wife murdered yr 4 kids. She killed them not him, he had nothing to do with it.
@@cindyrussell1581 She was insane at the time and he didn’t get her the medical help she desperately needed.
@@cindyrussell1581 You’re seriously deranged if you support any of Russell’s actions and legitimately believe they didn’t lead to his children’s deaths. Get some therapy, ASAP.
@@cindyrussell1581 According to the women here, if we don't make excuses for the killer and blame the husband for her actions, we are the deranged ones. 😄 this is coming from cackling women that support a child killer.
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You are actually as delusional as Rusty. He actually, IMO, was the underlying cause of the deaths of his children. He was told she needed to stay on her meds and NOT have any more children. He coerced her into having another child and made her get off all her meds that kept her stable.
Thereby, HE struck the match that led to the murders.
I assume you know nothing about mental illness, the benefits of anti psychotic and stabilizing meds. Andrea so mentally ill she was hospitalized multiple times for it. She was suicidal and catatonic at times. She also had hallucinations and post natal depression. She was vocal about how she was concerned that she might hurt herself and the children. Rusty is the root cause of the children's death. He should have gone to prison.
Just joined patreon as ur highest tier! I just adore you!! Your love, kindness, empathy, is all so refreshing in this community. And your feelings as a mother resonate so much with mine. Can't wait to see more of what you do! Thank you!
Looking forward to hearing what you have on this Em. I also wanted to let you know that when my Glossybox subscription ends next month, I'm going to become am member of Kenny's Crime Cult instead of renewing with Glossybox; I just can't get enough of your content! 💕💕💖😍😘
OMG! I have one child, her father died three years after she was born. Mia ( my beautiful girl, my only one) is the most precious gift that I have ever been given in my whole entire life. She is 21 now and looks after people who suffer profound dementia. I’m so proud of her. I believe the only reason that I still exist is because of her. I can’t imagine destroying such a sacred gift. Being a mum.
Always thought Rusty was equally to blame for failing to get the help his wife needed. I felt sad for Andrea and remember shouting at the tv "that poor woman needs help not prison" I was a nurse in a psych unit and have seen mental illness first hand, it's an awful thing and so misunderstood by most people
Thank you for discussing this case with so much empathy,respect,and kindness.
This episode brought me to tears, through Emma's own story to Andrea's story. Growing up with a father who has bi polar/manic depression I understand the struggles to understand what someone is going through in their psychotic state. Thank you for sharing Emma xx
*single standing ovation* I’ve loved all your videos. You have a way of bringing understanding, and even empathy to stories that usually highlight the horror. You are a warrior for mental health. I’ve always felt the same about Andrea Yates. I, like most, have experienced my mental illness not taken seriously. It’s dangerous. Thank you! Can’t wait for the next one!
I absolutely love the way you’ve presented this, I completely agree with your outlook. Thank you for your vulnerability as well. I’m so very sorry for your loss and the pain surrounding it.
Emma thank you for covering this case with such compassion. I’m so sorry to hear about your Dad. We have psychosis in our family. Thank you. ❤️
I have thought about this woman since they aired her story. After having a terrifying episode of ppd myself, I understood just how terrifying it can be.
My support is with u
Don't try living in a caravan with 5 kids then good luck.
Honestly, I felt the husband and the “self proclaimed pastor” should have been held somewhat responsible. One ignored her needs and contributed to her mental situation and the other wrote letters telling her she was basically full of demons. If you research the communication with that man he fed into that delusion at a huge level. Sad.
Hearing you loud and clear
Thankyou for sharing this brave comment.
I have not suffered PPD myself, but I did survive attempted infanticide (my 13yr old sister fought for my life!!) Caused by my mother's PPD.
It's about time we openly discussed this topic.
It is truly terrifying.
Most of the fear is because it's such a dark topic and one that is rarely approached.
We can help one another by sharing our experiences, rather than 'keeping it in the family...Rusty style"
Be well Angie.
Again, thankyou for sharing your thoughts
It helps us all
It’s so good of you to be covering all these cases in such detail. I love the new wave of true crime UA-camrs, but it’s nice to have such long fascinating videos created by someone with years of experience in criminal psychology. Love what you’re doing!
I think this has been the best episode yet. Your insight and explanation of psychosis was phenomenal and your compassion for this condition was evident. Superb.
You’re the first person I’ve watched to talk about this case sensitively and actually show the true nature of mental illness. Thank you.
Tough episode Emma, you did brilliant , mental health is an issue that needs to be not stigmatized just better understood, I think you make us layman's understand more and empathize .. 😃
If a parent is repeatedly and freely saying she’s having feelings to hurt her children -
If that’s not a good time to at the least temporarily remove her children from her care -
She could still be allowed regular supervised visitation -
I don’t know what else you need.
Instead they pretended like such feelings were normal enough to leave her alone with those children long enough for her to Be able to hurt them.
Dr Dietz is a hero to many. He helped convict several high profile killers including Dahmer.
The problem is that he evidently is capable of only seeing the killers as sane.
He does have skills that seem to disarm many killers he interviews.
But ms Yates to put it plainly had no arms to disarm.
She did not try to hide her crimes like Dahmer, etc to evade being apprehended.
I think when Dietz testified such about Dahmer he was believable (Dahmer himself never
Really contradicted this idea).
But in Yates’ case I feel disappointed in him.
Basically if you are a psychiatrist and can’t see Yates is truly disturbed
I don’t know who you can see that way.
And if that’s your approach that’s not in my opinion an honest and fair job of analyzing someone.
It’s unfortunately a case of having decided before hand due to the severity of the behavior/ crime,
And then trying to fit the “evidence” into your pre-decided belief.
I’m certainly not a bleeding heart when it comes to killers.
Yates shouldn’t have anymore children or be left with any alone ever again.
Maybe she should never be released from an institution.
But No, I don’t think 40 years in jail or the DP are appropriate in her case.
Cant be bothered to read this is too long.
Yeah I absolutely agree with you. I don't know how he could've made this decision.
Thanks so much for this one Emma. This has been the story about Andrea and her illness that I always wanted someone to present. She has been so maligned and vilified in the media for so long I always wondered if anyone out there, apart from me, understood what happened to her mind. Having suffered, to a much lesser degree, post natal depression and psychosis myself, this really explained it so well. I'm sorry this one was personal for you, but your humility and empathy came through because of it.
Loving your work from Brisbane Australia xx
So many missed opportunities for this poor woman; my heart aches at this story.
Life can be so cruel 😪.
No the cruel manic was Rusty.
I can totally relate my mum made multiple attempts to take her life due to psychosis, and unless you've seen it you cannot understand that that person is in that moment not in control and is also most times unrecognisable because its so far from who they are xx and its sad when they are constantly failed by the mental health system or people who won't accept mental illness
I'm going through this. They say I'm not unwell and it's hurting my mind badly. God bless x
@@sas22thebest48 I'm so sorry it is so so hard and unfair , and I wish you all the best and lots of strength through this time
@@ashleybracegirdle7500 thank you Ashley, it's nice that done people understand the struggle at times. One incident can push back 6 months of hard work. Cheers x
@@sas22thebest48 you're really not alone and there are lots of people who can understand and deeply feel for what you are going through and understand how hard it is and that its not you're fault you feel this way x
@@ashleybracegirdle7500 thank you that means a lot to me.
I hope you are doing well too. I'm going to try to keep positive and not let people play mind games 🙏🙏 x
Cant wait to dive into this one with you. Your perspective opens so many new avenues.
thanks for the time put into this, I appreciate the details and overall approach, I remember this story being in the news when I was much younger
I feel so sorry for Andrea Yates. I think she was failed by everyone, but especially Rusty. It seems it was just inevitable.
I agree. Without any proper support and treatment the killings were inevitable. Rusty was negligent in not following the doctors orders. He didn’t even try to help Andrea. He just thought that the issue would go on its own.
I suffered from a severe postpartal depression and I felt so powerless and not understood by no one especially my husband. Luckily my mom was my hero and I was put on medication and fully recovered.
Outstanding insight into this most tragic of cases. You truly showed the other side to this in a heartfelt manner, speaking as the daughter of someone inflicted with psychosis, which in turn provided us with a deeper understanding. Thanks Em and sending much love to you ❤
Emma, this was one of the most thoughtful and insightful overviews of this case I have seen, thank you for posting
Blessings, Em. I haven't missed one yet :) Thanks for sharing your experiences of a family member with psychosis. My 23 year old son is affected by psychosis and I have no propblem believing that someone could drown their children as a result of the influence of delusion. You're totally right - it's a living hell for them, and hell for those of us who watch over someone we love while they're in a psychotic episode. The responsibility for keeping them alive and everyone else safe requires superhuman amounts of time, knowledge, energy and compassion - traits which are totally undervalued in our mental health system.
Emma always puts her heart and soul into this but that was something else! ❤️ Such a heartbreaking story and so personal to her. You're so amazing at what you do Emma. We all love you xx
I completely get the fear she felt in psychosis it’s so real when it’s happening, I once many moons ago had this drug induced after weeks of no food or sleep but still terrifying, I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. I really empathise with her but her actions were so catastrophic and sad 😢 Thankyou for your analysis on this amazing Emma 🥰xxx
Absolutely.
For the person experiencing an episode, it is their reality.
Even down to visual, auditory and olfactory senses being triggered.
Try to explain to a person who is experiencing those things that’s it’s not reality can be almost impossible.
It would be like someone coming into my house and telling me everything I see, hear and smell is a reality break and I’m imagining it all.
Add to that the paranoia they have, and you’ve lost their trust.
This is why you are the best Em, this episode gave me chills. Your thoughts are so profound, compassionate, but logical all at the same time. Much Love
So sorry to hear about your dad Emma. Psychosis is so terrible and misunderstood. It's great that you are bringing more awareness to the subject. I feel like a lot of people equate "psychotic" to "evil" which just makes it so much worse. I'm a mental health nurse and I mainly work with people with psychosis. I wish this woman had got the help she needed not just inside the hospital but outside too.
Thank your for sharing a little about your life. I’m sorry you lost your father to an illnesses that’s very misunderstood and stigmatised. Sending you love and good wishes.
Truly appreciate your content & experience. I have watched so many crime/ physcology. You tell it with much more experience & passion . Most are just presenters & they lack information. I remember you from t.v & like your analysis along with professor Wilson you guys are my favourite people. 🤗
Thanks so much for the delivery and compassion for this heartbreaking story. I had post natal psychosis and it is utterly debilitating, isolating and incredibly frightening. Thankfully I wished absolutely no harm to my precious daughter but, in hospital, I met the poor souls who did and it haunted every fibre of their being. I was on olanzapine and my god what a dreadful medication, I was not carefully monitored (at all) and in fact, they didn’t realise I was still taking it when I was readmitted to hospital. Still shocks me now 14 years later.
Emma .. you did this case so much justice !!! ♡so glad i found you i never normally one to comment or have a you tuber i watch regularly until I found you .. beautiful inside and out and your work is profound . Wish you all the subscriber's possible you truly deserve ❤ thanks for speaking on a personal level my dad took his life and I can understand fully how difficult must have been for you to discuss so thank you and for the understanding and sadness I now have for Andrea aswell as her babies x
Hi Emma, I haven’t even got it the end of this and I’m so infuriated! This is so sad to watch. I work as a mental health nurse in an acute inpatient setting. I totally agree with you on the lack of consideration on the swapping and changing of medications for our patients. As you’ve mentioned it can be very detrimental to them. Additionally the over medicating and what I consider to be chemically COSHING is never the answer. Therapy should always co-exist alongside this although, sadly the resources often do not support. It is a battle that those of us on the ground floor and working with challenge constantly. I know mental health is still a relatively new area to healthcare and we still have a lot to learn however, it frustrates me that our consultants with often egotistical opinions do not listen to us. I do not understand in this case why this lady was not properly assessed under the Metal Health Act and at least given the time and space to be properly cared for and treated respectfully. Particularly as she had that insight in those moments to express her intrusive thoughts!Beggars belief! My colleagues and I drive our opinions and advocate hard for our patients in my setting so I feel we do try our best. We care hugely! This has been such a significant episode into bringing understanding to this hideous condition. I have tried for years to educate people with the difference around psychopathy and psychosis. I already knew this was not her fault as such. I am also so sad to hear about your Dad at that he was ultimately failed by services. Always huge loves to you. Xxx
Thank you for showing the ‘other’ side of this story. I remember it at the time and I thought she was a horrible person. I see her through new eyes now and feel so sad for everyone in this story. When this was occurring, your voice would have helped so many people understand in a very different way. 💐
Your approach to describing and understanding of this case is filled with empathy and love. All my love to you for what you have experienced its a honour to hear a part of your own personal experience.
I've been with you since day one of you starting this channel, I watched you on the crime shows on TV. I just want to say I love how deep you go into these crimes, but how you make us look at them in a totally different way with how well you look into these people. I admit I hated her when I heard about this when it first happened, but I really do feel so differently now about this case. Love this Channel Emma, keep up the great work.x
Can’t wait as usual em 🥰
Wow love hearing your thoughts on this case, amazing insight as usual Emma. Very brave discussing your father's mental health battle. 4 years after my brothers suicide I still struggle to discuss it openly, you are truly inspirational. Keep uploading the videos.... Love watching 👍
Thanks for this Emma, I love how you not only show incredible levels of empathy for the victims in these cases but also often times the perpetrators - it is a refreshing mindset that allows us to learn from the past and gain a deep insight into why some people do the things they do. What a heartbreaking case.
I found this episode really moving hearing how your own experiences with your father has shaped your insight into this case. Thank you for sharing, Emma. It is heartbreaking how hard this mother tried to be heard and keep her children from harm, it must have felt terrifying for her. This was completely avoidable, they had enough warning signs!
This is the first time I've heard all the details of this case and I'm seeing it with new eyes !!........(HEARTBREAKING).......so sorry to hear about your dad Emma, I've had experience with psychosis and it"s a terrible thing you wouldn't wish on your worst enemy.
I just watched this video and I wanted to thank you for covering this. I loved how you broke down exactly what was going while she was in psychosis. I’ve read 2 different books about this case and it’s absolutely heartbreaking. I cannot understand how so many people managed to fail this severally sick woman. I do believe that Rusty’s refusal to acknowledge how sick she was, along with that wack job Woroniecki’s bizarre beliefs did not help her mental status. Thank you again for covering this case and also for sharing your personal experiences with your father.❤
I can’t thank you enough for covering this case the way you did. When I first heard this case, when it happened, I immediately judged her harshly. As I grow older, and hopefully wiser, I understand. Thank you Emma! ❤️
This is such a heartbreaking story. I could feel Emma’s emotion as it’s clearly close to her heart. Thanks Emma for another great podcast. I genuinely feel that I have learned more from your channel than I did throughout my psych degree! Keep up the great work ❤️
Damn, you did this case justice and made something that may have seemed unthinkable to something very understandable. My heart aches for the children and Andrea. Sorry but the husband should of been charged with negligence or something.
Also my heart goes out to you and your family regarding your dad. X
I am so looking forward to this episode and hearing your opinions!
You are so eloquent and compassionate. Thank you for your honesty and bravery..wishing you healing days ahead. Xx
this was simply amazing, touching, loving , empathetic and eye opening! a lovely take on something so scary🥰🫰