The messed up part is that when this movie is set, Marines were horribly undertrained. We were so desperate for bodies to throw at the problem that we didn’t give everyone the training and vetting required to keep them alive. This scene isn’t a “Marines suck” moment. It’s them recognizing that these Marines are not properly equipped to safely do their job. Obviously kicking in doors in a town filled with enemy soldiers isn’t safe, but their is ways to minimize your risk while doing it. And I’m sure some asshat is gonna say “if they wanted to be safe, they shouldn’t have joined the military”. You’re missing the point. You give the soldiers the tools and training into they need to be the most effective at their job. A soldier who got 3 rounds in his chest because they didn’t properly teach him how to breach and clear is not an effective soldier.
Chris Kyle loved and respected the Marine Corps, he said it with his words and showed it with his actions. He did door to door with them. He taught them and they taught him. All one awesome team.
If you read "The Last Punisher" by Kevin Lacz(Sniper/Medic) *Referring to Bickles, guy who got shot and blinded before Marc died drawing enemy fire away from them so they could escape* Bickles: Hey Jonny, think you could help a lowly pig gunner to shoot at the range? Jonny Kim(Sniper/Medic): Carlos Hathcock couldnt teach you to shoot, Bickles Kevin Lacz: Maybe you could help me with my medic skills Jonny Kim: Dumb Pollack. *They all laugh*
In his book he mentions dread and then anger as he saw marines pour into house after house with less and less coming out of each one standing on their own.
I'm not military but I've read a lot. I cant recall where but there is somewhere I've read that if a soldier that believes he is protected he is way better off than the one scared shitless to make a move. If that soldier knows someone like Chris Kyle is banging on a pipe above....he is more likely to do his job quicker and more proficient. If they think noone is watching, they can clam up, second guess, wait to long, ect. Just my 2 cents worth.
It makes sense. Being scared and panicked makes you prone to making mistakes, which can get himself or his teammates killed. If you have that “invincible” confidence, you’re subconsciously more willing to let your instincts auto pilot the training that was hammered into you.
That’s exactly why people say to just take a deep breath and do whatever you need to do without thinking. Human brains are no different than any other animal, when you delay or freeze, you die. Because humans aren’t used to being prey anymore, our brains have to be trained to act more on instinct and less on emotion.
In the book Kyle actually praises Marine grunts, don’t know why they portrayed them as a bunch of untrained boots. If it’s one thing Marines are good at, it’s killing whatever is in front of them.
I don't think this scene was meant to insult Marines. I think it was just showing that Chris Kyle felt powerless sitting up top and watching others go after the enemy.
Well I think Chris Kyle was ok for 3 years and received all tile of wrapo-me training even urban warfare training. Like his friend said most of those marines were in boot camp for 3 and two in infantry school and already shipped out to Iraq. Modern warfare and infantry needs way more training than that. 5 months isn’t enough
Of course Marines get shitted on. That's how it is in real life as well. But know this...Marines have regulars and spec ops (Marsoc Raiders). It's no different than the Army with their regular infantry and spec ops (Rangers, CAG, and Special Forces). There's the best...and then there's the ELITE. Everybody can be the best but only a chosen few can be Elite.
@@iwantlee9510 theyre not called "operatives" , that's a term used for intelligence agents and intelligence field officers. The reason there's a different "special" for multiple units is because each unit has a different purpose. Don't be such a narrow-minded prick when these guys are way smarter and tougher than you'll ever be
Around that time in OIF, the Marine Corps needed as many bodies as possible and as soon they got through the school of infantry they were sent to units that were able to deploy. Literally 6 months, 13 weeks in PI and 9 weeks SOI.
Like Marcus luttrell once said “military branches can pick on each other, but if you’ve never took the oath then you have no say so to poke fun.” It’s like a sibling, you can bully your brother but if someone else does it’s over
Fuck that. Become an airline pilot if you don't want anyone else to make fun of you. If you're a soldier or whatever, I'll make fun of you as much as I want. Just as I would a burger flipper, or a stock market greaseball. "Oh, I volunteered to kill people in the period of the longest known effective worldwide peace. I deserve untold respect and no criticism whatsoever." Fuck outta here.
No, special operations guys are on a higher tier than Marines, no disrespect to Marines but 18 year olds are not anywhere close to being on the level of the experienced NCO's that comprise the ranks of special operations
@@michaeldukes4108 never. We shit on everyone because we’re always the ones who get funding taken away first and then are expected to do better then the other guys in green. We always get the shit end of the stick and when it comes to promotions.... let’s just say I’ve known sailors who got a DUI and bumped down to E2 and by the end of a deployment 1-1/2 years later they were E-5... most marines won’t even get looked at for E-5 in their entire first enlistment
That’s kinda what they sign up for. The Marines have branded themselves as the tip of the spear. Marines are (publicly) the first boots in the ground. Each branch has their specialty. Navy controls the water, Air Force controls the skies, Army controls the land, Marines control the enemy. There is a lot of overlap, but this is a very simplistic view of what you are signing up for when you choose what branch to enlist in.
@@Stymn Where did you see my arguing for the case that they are? I said it isn’t always like that and if you think it’s always SOCOM you really aren’t aware of the options modern warfare has to offer. And no I’m not talking about the video game
every single republican who ran for president in 2016 said they would not have invaded iraq. if you're a parent of a serviceman who died in a iraq, how does that make u feel?
@@rickyjiggens2180 the propaganda and brainwashing techniques that are employed against the masses are ludicrously effective. Most people never learn how to break the conditioning and see the truth of the matter that ALL politicians are fucking disconnected psychopaths who would happily sacrifice the whole world for a little bit of dosh. Sure the guy may not be bright, but come on he never had a fucking chance man. From day 1 they indoctrinate you into a world of pain and submission, that is the ritual purpose of circumcision. Then you get to school and they make you do that ridiculous pledge every single day and all the history and social science classes are pure propaganda as well. I won't even get into the faux patriotism that is encouraged by peer groups growing up in America. What I'm getting at is the deck is completely and totally stacked against average and below average intelligence people, and they're essentially born into mental slavery and never learn to perceive the chains that hold their minds in bondage. To go on a tangent, this is why LSD and other psychedelics were so feared by the government and outlawed. Within a single fucking hour of being high on one of these miraculous substances, one can be completely healed of a lifetime of psychological conditioning and made to see the truth that the elites are quite literally devils. Ok I'm gonna go make some chili now lmao
Chris Kyle a 'hate filled killer' Eastwood's film depicts Chris Kyle (played by Bradley Cooper) as a conflicted character, struggling with the emotional impact of killing, but Lindy West in The Guardian writes: "The real American Sniper was a hate-filled killer. Why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?" West admits American Sniper is effective as a piece of cinema, but "even a cursory look into the film's backstory raises disturbing questions about which stories we choose to codify into truth". She notes that the real Kyle reportedly described killing as "fun", something he "loved" and wrote in his biography: "I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqis." Kyle was not modest Cooper portrays Kyle as a modest, self-effacing man who discouraged talk of his status as a legend, but the real Kyle was reportedly happy to trade on his reputation and even embellish the tale. The Daily Telegraph reports that after leaving the military in 2009, Kyle went from being "a faceless killer to his enemies" to "a minor celebrity in the US, featuring on the cover of Soldier of Fortune magazine and appearing on chat-shows". The Telegraph adds that "the biggest feeder of the legend was himself". As well as setting up his own successful military training company, he also featured in reality TV show Stars Earn Stripes. Kyle lied a lot Amy Nicholson in Slate calls American Sniper "one of the most mendacious movies of 2014". Nicholson admits Clint Eastwood was caught in a trap because his subject, Chris Kyle, "lied a lot". In Kyle's autobiography he claimed to have killed two carjackers in Texas, sniped at looters during Hurricane Katrina, and punched a former governor, Jesse Ventura, in the face. None of that was true, says Nicholson, but instead of expose him as a liar, Eastwood leaves out that part of the story. But when a film erases the fact that its subject was a fabricator," says Nicholson "then that itself is a lie."
I've read the book and he was basically the same as the movie(the part where he couldn't give a fuck about the iraqis is true, but i get it, i wouldn't give to if they were killing my friends)
Thanks USA American flag ,Joe Biden as our American President, Chris Kyle, Grandpa Beasley of Ozark Missouri served in USA Army as a great Sniper against the Nazi front lines, from American Citizen John Robert Bruffett Junior of Branson Missouri America July 24 th 1972!
The messed up part is that when this movie is set, Marines were horribly undertrained. We were so desperate for bodies to throw at the problem that we didn’t give everyone the training and vetting required to keep them alive.
This scene isn’t a “Marines suck” moment. It’s them recognizing that these Marines are not properly equipped to safely do their job.
Obviously kicking in doors in a town filled with enemy soldiers isn’t safe, but their is ways to minimize your risk while doing it. And I’m sure some asshat is gonna say “if they wanted to be safe, they shouldn’t have joined the military”. You’re missing the point. You give the soldiers the tools and training into they need to be the most effective at their job. A soldier who got 3 rounds in his chest because they didn’t properly teach him how to breach and clear is not an effective soldier.
Boot camp, MCT, infantry school, pre-deployment training...
Nah, they get plenty of training.
That's complete nonsense. We had more than adequate training before deployment.
@@TheJOKEY-bk5gc Quantity =/= quality
In your opinion do you think this is a world wide issue
@@brianwarren2042 damn you been there, did you kick in doors personally?
Chris Kyle loved and respected the Marine Corps, he said it with his words and showed it with his actions. He did door to door with them. He taught them and they taught him. All one awesome team.
He was a self-aggrandizing sociopathic liar, through and through. That's he showed in his book.
@@shade9272 most bookwriting seals are like that it seems
I think he even borrowed a Marine’s rifle to clear rooms with them
@Donkey what ?
@Donkey give some parts about this
I give Chris praise on having the balls on being willing to help out the Marines with Door-to-Door sweeps. That’s a sign of a true team player.
The best sniper in our military's history was (even Chris Kyle said this guy was the best) was Carlos Hathcock - a Marine.
If you read "The Last Punisher" by Kevin Lacz(Sniper/Medic)
*Referring to Bickles, guy who got shot and blinded before Marc died drawing enemy fire away from them so they could escape*
Bickles: Hey Jonny, think you could help a lowly pig gunner to shoot at the range?
Jonny Kim(Sniper/Medic): Carlos Hathcock couldnt teach you to shoot, Bickles
Kevin Lacz: Maybe you could help me with my medic skills
Jonny Kim: Dumb Pollack.
*They all laugh*
Carlos Hathcock was better
The best sniper in the world is a Canadian.
@@buckets4527 do you have a point or just an objective
@@lilmikekills I don't have a point because it is not an opinion, it is a fact.
In his book he mentions dread and then anger as he saw marines pour into house after house with less and less coming out of each one standing on their own.
This must be where Kacey's PTSD came from! That's far away from the Yellowstone ranch.
I'm not military but I've read a lot. I cant recall where but there is somewhere I've read that if a soldier that believes he is protected he is way better off than the one scared shitless to make a move. If that soldier knows someone like Chris Kyle is banging on a pipe above....he is more likely to do his job quicker and more proficient. If they think noone is watching, they can clam up, second guess, wait to long, ect. Just my 2 cents worth.
It makes sense. Being scared and panicked makes you prone to making mistakes, which can get himself or his teammates killed. If you have that “invincible” confidence, you’re subconsciously more willing to let your instincts auto pilot the training that was hammered into you.
That’s exactly why people say to just take a deep breath and do whatever you need to do without thinking. Human brains are no different than any other animal, when you delay or freeze, you die. Because humans aren’t used to being prey anymore, our brains have to be trained to act more on instinct and less on emotion.
Morale is one of the most important factors in war.
In the book Kyle actually praises Marine grunts, don’t know why they portrayed them as a bunch of untrained boots. If it’s one thing Marines are good at, it’s killing whatever is in front of them.
E K The book was filled with a bunch of lies too
I don't think this scene was meant to insult Marines. I think it was just showing that Chris Kyle felt powerless sitting up top and watching others go after the enemy.
And eating crayons
Well I think Chris Kyle was ok for 3 years and received all tile of wrapo-me training even urban warfare training. Like his friend said most of those marines were in boot camp for 3 and two in infantry school and already shipped out to Iraq. Modern warfare and infantry needs way more training than that. 5 months isn’t enough
@@raphaelostrowski6336 how much training do the children of warfare get? (Can we not pretend preteens don't fight over there)
Amazing movie!
"They feel invincible with you up there"
*They're not*
That hit hard.
they are if they think they are...love it
Of course Marines get shitted on. That's how it is in real life as well.
But know this...Marines have regulars and spec ops (Marsoc Raiders). It's no different than the Army with their regular infantry and spec ops (Rangers, CAG, and Special Forces). There's the best...and then there's the ELITE. Everybody can be the best but only a chosen few can be Elite.
As long as you are in the military you deserve respect no matter if your in the marines or army
It's funny as fk. You call everything slighly different "spec ops". Saying you're a special forces operative in the us military means nothing.
@@iwantlee9510 they put special in front of everything!
@@iwantlee9510 theyre not called "operatives" , that's a term used for intelligence agents and intelligence field officers. The reason there's a different "special" for multiple units is because each unit has a different purpose. Don't be such a narrow-minded prick when these guys are way smarter and tougher than you'll ever be
Bro we shit on everybody. But at the end of the day we all know if shit hits the fan we got each other’s backs
man they make marines look like little kids with water gun why?
Because compared to special operations units like SEALs, Army Rangers, Green Berets, etc. they are low-level guys. It's all relative.
TheCompulsiveWinner yeah I can see that
There are no low-level guys. SEALS and SPEC-OPS are very confrontational, so need a lot of training but infantry come under the most fire.
Kevin Zhang true
Around that time in OIF, the Marine Corps needed as many bodies as possible and as soon they got through the school of infantry they were sent to units that were able to deploy. Literally 6 months, 13 weeks in PI and 9 weeks SOI.
Kayce dutton back in action 🇺🇸
Yellowstone squad!
Like Marcus luttrell once said “military branches can pick on each other, but if you’ve never took the oath then you have no say so to poke fun.” It’s like a sibling, you can bully your brother but if someone else does it’s over
marcus luttrell let his squad get wiped by a group of farmers with a PKM and then got a movie deal out of it he's spineless.
Fuck that. Become an airline pilot if you don't want anyone else to make fun of you. If you're a soldier or whatever, I'll make fun of you as much as I want. Just as I would a burger flipper, or a stock market greaseball. "Oh, I volunteered to kill people in the period of the longest known effective worldwide peace. I deserve untold respect and no criticism whatsoever." Fuck outta here.
@@waset8654 you tell that to his face and if you can still talk tell me how it went
@@yourneutralness8755 you wouldn’t have the balls to go to war much less join during peace time
@@waset8654 you are a tool
Chris kyule damn hero I sweaer
Throwing UP
So this is where Kayce Dutton was deployed lol
This is the comment I was looking for
@@playernameistoolong lol same
wish there was no boundary nothing to kill or die , no war heaven below as - imagine we all live in peace
Sadly, that is a made up reality.
*If I'm on the street I could...*
Carlos was the man
Do not forget who put up the flag at Iwo Jima. All soldiers are equal.
No, special operations guys are on a higher tier than Marines, no disrespect to Marines but 18 year olds are not anywhere close to being on the level of the experienced NCO's that comprise the ranks of special operations
Petrov Shenkovsky ... Maybe Marines should stop shitting on every other branch first then. Especially Navy.
@@slappymcgillicuddy7532 You can be 18 and become special ops.
@@michaeldukes4108 never. We shit on everyone because we’re always the ones who get funding taken away first and then are expected to do better then the other guys in green. We always get the shit end of the stick and when it comes to promotions.... let’s just say I’ve known sailors who got a DUI and bumped down to E2 and by the end of a deployment 1-1/2 years later they were E-5... most marines won’t even get looked at for E-5 in their entire first enlistment
Propaganda production really has reached a high standard
Spreadin' freedom, ha..
I think the Marines on Peleliu would differ in opinion
Every time I try to make breakfast and my wife says let me take over, go get ready for work
...
I argued with a teacher about this moive he said it is pro war
I said it wasn't
He refused to admit he was wrong despite all the scenes
Considering who Chris Kyle was Imma have to side with the teacher
@@jorvoe7791 How did you know Chris Kyle?
Disrespectful towards the man Marc Lee was. ✝️🙏
Kyle, zog masterbatory myth and phony
1776 thank you
Man idk much about American military but the marines always get the worst of it always first into a building beach place whatever
That’s kinda what they sign up for. The Marines have branded themselves as the tip of the spear. Marines are (publicly) the first boots in the ground.
Each branch has their specialty. Navy controls the water, Air Force controls the skies, Army controls the land, Marines control the enemy. There is a lot of overlap, but this is a very simplistic view of what you are signing up for when you choose what branch to enlist in.
Marines aren't the first to go anywhere lol, always someone apart of SOCOM, usually rangers or airborne
@@Stymn Really depends where, and nowadays things have changed even more so.
@@zealandsword9557 no lol Marines aren't first anywhere, it's always a SOCOM group
@@Stymn Where did you see my arguing for the case that they are? I said it isn’t always like that and if you think it’s always SOCOM you really aren’t aware of the options modern warfare has to offer. And no I’m not talking about the video game
Best sniper in the world is Master Chief from Halo. Duh
its true he doesnt afraid of anything
every single republican who ran for president in 2016 said they would not have invaded iraq. if you're a parent of a serviceman who died in a iraq, how does that make u feel?
You actually believe what comes out of politicians mouths how does it make you feel to know that you're about as low IQ as humans can get
@@rickyjiggens2180 the propaganda and brainwashing techniques that are employed against the masses are ludicrously effective. Most people never learn how to break the conditioning and see the truth of the matter that ALL politicians are fucking disconnected psychopaths who would happily sacrifice the whole world for a little bit of dosh. Sure the guy may not be bright, but come on he never had a fucking chance man. From day 1 they indoctrinate you into a world of pain and submission, that is the ritual purpose of circumcision. Then you get to school and they make you do that ridiculous pledge every single day and all the history and social science classes are pure propaganda as well. I won't even get into the faux patriotism that is encouraged by peer groups growing up in America. What I'm getting at is the deck is completely and totally stacked against average and below average intelligence people, and they're essentially born into mental slavery and never learn to perceive the chains that hold their minds in bondage. To go on a tangent, this is why LSD and other psychedelics were so feared by the government and outlawed. Within a single fucking hour of being high on one of these miraculous substances, one can be completely healed of a lifetime of psychological conditioning and made to see the truth that the elites are quite literally devils. Ok I'm gonna go make some chili now lmao
Chris Kyle a 'hate filled killer'
Eastwood's film depicts Chris Kyle (played by Bradley Cooper) as a conflicted character, struggling with the emotional impact of killing, but Lindy West in The Guardian writes: "The real American Sniper was a hate-filled killer. Why are simplistic patriots treating him as a hero?" West admits American Sniper is effective as a piece of cinema, but "even a cursory look into the film's backstory raises disturbing questions about which stories we choose to codify into truth". She notes that the real Kyle reportedly described killing as "fun", something he "loved" and wrote in his biography: "I couldn't give a flying fuck about the Iraqis."
Kyle was not modest
Cooper portrays Kyle as a modest, self-effacing man who discouraged talk of his status as a legend, but the real Kyle was reportedly happy to trade on his reputation and even embellish the tale. The Daily Telegraph reports that after leaving the military in 2009, Kyle went from being "a faceless killer to his enemies" to "a minor celebrity in the US, featuring on the cover of Soldier of Fortune magazine and appearing on chat-shows". The Telegraph adds that "the biggest feeder of the legend was himself". As well as setting up his own successful military training company, he also featured in reality TV show Stars Earn Stripes.
Kyle lied a lot
Amy Nicholson in Slate calls American Sniper "one of the most mendacious movies of 2014". Nicholson admits Clint Eastwood was caught in a trap because his subject, Chris Kyle, "lied a lot". In Kyle's autobiography he claimed to have killed two carjackers in Texas, sniped at looters during Hurricane Katrina, and punched a former governor, Jesse Ventura, in the face. None of that was true, says Nicholson, but instead of expose him as a liar, Eastwood leaves out that part of the story. But when a film erases the fact that its subject was a fabricator," says Nicholson "then that itself is a lie."
Bootlickers don't want to hear this lmao
@@michaellatham4890 lol
Yeah but all of that would make a great movie :) People love to be fed with doodoo as long as it makes them feel good. Truth or no truth.
I've read the book and he was basically the same as the movie(the part where he couldn't give a fuck about the iraqis is true, but i get it, i wouldn't give to if they were killing my friends)
he was fucking hero you draft dodging piece of shit he is up there with frederick zoller as one of my favourite snipers
Chris Kyle is my hero and he always will be
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What a sh*tty movie damn, 1/10.
its garbage american war propaganda
Thanks USA American flag ,Joe Biden as our American President, Chris Kyle, Grandpa Beasley of Ozark Missouri served in USA Army as a great Sniper against the Nazi front lines, from American Citizen John Robert Bruffett Junior of Branson Missouri America July 24 th 1972!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Chris Kyle got smoked by the guy he was making fun of...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣