Not really. I played GT on PS1,2 extensively before getting out of gaming completely until a few months ago when I bought a PS5. People put far too much emphasis on graphics, if you’re watching shadows, trees and people in the grandstands you’ll get smoked and who gives a crap about replays.
@@wrzl1675 yeah fuck progress , why move forward , let’s play 1999 graphics in 2021 , in fact quit fucking moving forward , let’s just replay old games over and over... How stupid can humans get...
@@lawyerlawyer1215 he is talking about stuff that matters in a racing game such as actually good physics. If you have played Forza 7 you should know that it isn't even close to a simulator
@@benjaminhigham3624 if Someone is appreciating how beautiful the city of Dubrovnik is , and someone else goes and says , any German city is more beautiful, and i come and say wtf that’s just not true , the landscape , the weather, the physical place where the city is etc... wouldn’t it be stupid for you to come and say , you are wrong , Germany has a stronger economy and better politics . Because you pretty much , just did that , bringing physics and driving dinámics , into what clearly was graphical argument. And by the way, yes I play forza 7 , and with all the aids off , I find it to be a Simcade , not a simulator, but DEFINITELY not an arcade game like nfs , driveclub , the crew etc
Many people forget consoles are nothing but computers themselves. ...and more important than that, computers fine tuned for gaming. For instance, the original PS4 is from 2013 but it offered already an 8 core CPU, a number of cores many people still don't have on their PCs today ...and also 8 GB of DDR5 RAM, a feature that the vast majority of computers still don't have today -- several years later.
Mik S you forgot that the achitecture that amd used in the ps4 and xbox one sucks,even if they were 8-core cpu,their design made it perform worse than a 4 core cpu. Also the PS4 cpu is clocked at 1.6ghz and the xbox one was clocked at 1.75ghz,thats why many games runned at 30fps due to the bad cpu
I've loved Gran Turismo from the very beginning, it helped cultivate my love affair with cars that still exists today. Can't wait to get my hands on GT7 for the PS5
I've played every GT game to date, but always with a regular controller and in a casual way. So I recently started playing GT Sports with a driving seat, a steering wheel and a 4K TV... holy sh*t, it was one of the best gaming experiences I've had in years. I can't wait for GT7. It's the reason I'm getting a PS5.
replays in forza have always been disgusting. it's a constant juggle between camera angles that make no sense and stay on screen for too short. i wish they worked on that. but hey, it's not something easily marketable so turn10 doesn't give a fuck.
I have both an XB1X and a PS4 Pro and for that matter a gaming PC and I have Forza 7 and had, up until GT Sport, bought every single GT title they've released on day 1 - and after playing the GT demo I will say the replays and cut scenes are amazing looking, but the gameplay in GT is very very dull, in that it's clearly high resolution, but it's plasticity and looks fake when you're moving - and it also looks lifeless in motion. Those replays and cutscenes are not what the game actually looks like when you're moving. Also GT Sport has terrible cameras - like the angle on all of them is off, you're either too high, or too low, or too far back. Finally the other issue is GT Sport is an incredibly limited game that isn't worth of the Gran Turismo name, it's e-sport garbage, has a very limited number of cars, no career, no car upgrades, it's just not worthy of the GT name. Forza 7 is a much better game and in motion on the PC and the XB1X, it looks better since it looks more life like, there's just more going on and it looks less fake, even if it's not quite as pretty in still shots. I own both systems and up until GT Sport I'd have called myself a GT fanboy more than anything else, but Forza 7 is a proper full game, while GT Sport has gotten very mediocre reviews and so far bombed as far as sales go. I hope Sony kills the idea of any more "sport" garbage in the future and makes a proper GT7 with everything we expect from a GT title.
Goddamn are GT Sport's lighting effects absolutely gorgeous. The shadow pop in annoys the crap out of me but the night levels are truly something else entirely.
I'm a Forza fan but here I find GT Sports lighting and color to provide such an amount of pop without going overboard that I might actually lean towards GT Sport here.
yes all 10 of them, to drive on 5 tracks...gt sport is trash. gt7 needs 1000+ cars, track creator, full car customization if not the ability to create your own car, used cars, full damage model comparable to beamNG, red rock valley, and single player career mode or polyphony wont see a dime from me
Forza 7 is built on better hardware (in this case, benefits from PC specs). BUT - the guys in Polyphony Digital are just better artists. There is more to realism than just having better textures and details in individual objects in the game. It's the overall balance that matters, and the graphics team of GT Sport captures that balance much better, especially in terms of the lighting. It's much like the Jurassic Park films. The first Jurassic Park was made with far less tech than Jurassic World, but Jurassic Park 1 looks far more believable than Jurassic World. Artistry will always beat tech.
I think it comes down to making tough decisions and maybe GT made better tough decisions. This guy did a good job comparing the pros and cons of each decision made. Forza decided to make more cars, more tracks, more driving gear, and don’t forget rain. Forza might be a more complete game in terms of content while GT focused more on quality.
"Feels like you drive so slow" Good god, you've clearly never driven on a real track... Your entire vision doesn't contract Parkinson's in real life like it does in Forza with camera motion effects on.
SpinCycle There is no rivalry though, GT Sport has a 75 on Metacritic versus Forza 7's 87. Forza has been consistently getting praise every year whereas GT hasnt released a solid game in almost 10 years
Dislexic Potato I would say that GT Sport is a solid game, but it is now in its own category with its emphasis on multiplayer. It’s like saying games like overwatch are poor because they lack story-driven single player. However, I understand the frustration with many dedicated fans because of a lack of content with such a long development cycle.
I think on a personal level, that GT takes the cake for looks, being a developer myself, it makes sense why thy went the routes they chose. Each use different Engines to build, and that does make a difference on what you are capable of doing. Both look wonderful but i feel Forza is too "flat" in a side by side comparison.
@@The3DSMaxinator FYI, Forza never updates their car model, they use the same model from the very first Forza Motorsport, even the Horizon title does the same. I mean, they did the cars and engine sounds wrong. Forza S15's roof is somehow taller than the actual car, the M3 E30's roof pillars are square unlike in GT, and in FH5 the M3 E46 sounds like a Z33 like wtf??
@@o_KingOfKings_o In case you're wondering, the biggest reason for Driveclub's beauty is the scenery. In open world games, usually the scenery is a part of the map so everything has to be drivable and interactable, in (arcade) simulators like Forza 7 and GTS everything is directly taken from the real life and racing tracks doesn't look that beautiful. I don't hate DC nor I disregard their effort but what they did is no magic. Look at some old arcade games without open worlds and see how great they look even today.
Bet it was done to deal with Z-Fighting. It's pretty standard to separate objects in such a way, thus you can have tiling textures on the road alongside the painted lines to author more efficient textures.
#1 reason I stopped playing the Forza Series. That damn AI system they use. It tracks players and uploads it to the cloud. Then those bad driving habits get translated to the single player for other people. So AI would crash into you. I think they eventually added an option to turn off "aggressive" driving by AI, but it was to little to late for me.
I grew up playing Gran Turismo. When Forza 2 was released for the Xbox, I was a loyal Forza fan for about 5 years. I just recently went back to GT Sport and I’ve never played a game so well crafted and tailored for serious sim racers. I’ve never driven a real GT racecar. The physics on GT seem to make more sense to me and seems to me to be as close as you can get to driving the real thing (not knowing what iRacing physics are like) but I’m going to play what Lewis Hamilton, and other real life drivers play if I want to experience the closest thing to real life.
I like playing both games next to Iracing and R3E, gt more serious with a steering wheel, Forza with controller when I want a chilled cool campaign. The phyiscs in both games aren't that realistic compared to real racing sims, GT maybe being closer to the real deal, but none of both tries to go deep into physics like chassis flex, rubber marbles and so on. GT has the perfect online mode while Forza has a shitton of content, if you want the most realistic experience I'd suggest IRacing in VR, but for this you need a potent PC and VR glasses. Edit: Oh yeah and an Iracing subscription with tracks and cars which only costs like 40 Million Dollar
i also grew up on gran turismo, gt5 to be exact. i have an xbox one x and forza horizon 4. but on the other hand i have a ps3 with a playstation wheel. also i have no xbox wheel. so yea
Gran Turismo phisics effects is ridiculous, it´s look like a toy remote control car. And all the rest, Forza Motorsport 7 is better, includes dinamic wheather and more. GT Sport not was have rain for years, only include rain after with an update. GT Sport only have about 200 cars, FM7 have more than 700. ✌😏👍
@@danielcpierremForza’s car list only helps prove it’s focus on quantity over quality. GranTurismo 5 had 1089 cars, but now focuses on what really matters in a racing game. the gameplay above shows just how bland Forza is. it has no structure. Forza is most known for it’s horrible online races, it’s exactly why Forza Esports failed. it offers nothing for players nor spectators. GranTurismo is an Esports legend because it focuses on making a better racing experience. from an Offical sponsorship with Tag Heuer to Offical Esports championships for the FIA. None of that is present in Forza. Nobody watched Forza Esports players ram it out with awful camera angles and no race strategies. it failed miserably lmfao
@@thomas751, you talked about 1089 cars on Grande Turismo 5, horrível models and textures... This point don't have any relation with another game, Forza Motorsport 7... And the aspects that i mencionated here, Forza Motorsport 7 is better than Gran Turismo 7, that's a fact! ✌️😎👍
@@thomas751, and FIA is just a marketing, only for register records and compares to F1 racing series... By the way, Gran Turismo has lost the "FIA certification" by Asseto Corsa... Sorry dude, you failed miserably again... 😂😂😂
@@danielcpierrem wait what aspects exactly? dynamic weather and rain? LMFAO is that what you think makes a racing game? Forza Motorsport 4 released a whole year after Gran Turismo 5, with less than half the amount of cars. which funny enough has always lacked detail compared to Gran Turismo. gameplay shown clearly proves that… Forza only has a bigger car list now because Gran Turismo cares more for a far better racing experience lmfao
I don't care about the graphics since they look ok if the game came after 2011. They are completely same and better graphics will never make a racing game better. If you don't believe me you can look at iracing. Also I prefer gt sport to forza
I don't own either game, but based on these vids I was going to say the opposite. GT is way too bright and ultra shiny, makes the colors look cartoony.
MidnightJacket i can see the argument, but sunny days on most of these tracks are really bright. Forza car interiors have always been especially dim. Really wish t10 would stop making the game look unrealistic
The issue I have in FM7 is when you set the condition of the track to day it’s either sunny or cloudy and you can’t choose. For example I was racing a huayra BC set on day on suzuka and when I restart the race and took a Zonda R, suzuka was all happy and sunny
I totally agree about GT replay quality! I find myself watching replays of my race all the time just in awe of the quality and camera work. It’s just amazing and I fooled my dad into believing it was a real race happening on live tv! Especially great when racing with the Bugatti Chiron!
I just remembered, every time I play GT Sport I realize I don’t see any other car in the pit stops, it’s like once they hit that line, they disappear, but still GT Sport is glorious, that’s what made me love it
I own both. Have been playing extensively GTSport on PS4 Pro and Forza 7 on One X. In short, there is no match. GTSport provides always the best audio-visual experience. And the big difference is in the lighting and the detailing. Look at the transitions between tarmac and grass, in GT are shown as "natural", in Forza are a straight line with two different texures. Look at the effect of the car passing over a sand trap, moving millions of gravel particles realistically. Then do the same thing in Forza and passing over a sand trap is like passing over concrete painted with a sand texture. These are only two examples of many other similar differences. One game looks like hand crafted in everything, while the other uses a lot of predefined assets. And the result is evident. Next Forza should cut (or reduce) quantity and focus on quality and detail. Same should also do DF in their reviews.
😭😂😂 it has like 600 less cars and can barely compare to Forza which is 4K 60fps and GtSport only being able to get 1800p. But yea they have the “best audio- visual experience”. Literally, no. What next, is 7 a bigger number than 10?
Gran Turismo "the real driving simulator" Not provoking anyone but hands down, better than Forza motorsport. Even though Forza is catching up. Only issue I have is Series S is outselling series X by a massive margin. So will developers still aim Forza Motorsport 8 to play at 4k@120, 4k60 or 1080@120.
GT would look even better on PC.. the quality of shadows, reflections and textures could go so much higher... (I'm guessing they're limited by the performance on console)
revisiting this after watching the H2H for GT7 and FM'23 it's pretty shocking how different these previous instalments were yet were both pretty much equally beautiful. I feel T10 really dropped the ball despite having 6 years to improve. FM'23 almost seems like a downgrade from FM7 at the moment. Maybe not factually, but in terms of how it presents
This is a comparison I actually like. Whenever I see those videos of a lap on the same track same car across 2 or 3 different games without much else is annoying. This takes more time and actually looks into details and a real person explains it thoroughly. Good job 👍
I have played all Grand Turismos except for sport (since I haven't gotten the chance to get a PS4 yet) and I've had so much fun throughout the years on all of them
I just more or less "completed" GT4 again after "just checking out how those emulator thingies work" - this game is so damn good. Sure we can take GT3 into it because 4 was GT3+, the same as GT1 and 2 were. Forza Motorsport on the other hand is great at first glance but for me it quickly started to fall apart, it lacks the soul of the Polyphony games and it feels lackluster when you dive deep into the game. The cars look great and the tracks are awesome, everything else is done without soul. Turn 10 placed some really weird textures like roadsigns. At Nürburgring In the middle of Döttinger Höhe there is a sign on the left that just has some random shit written on it. On swiss alps there is a post with two direction signs on it, one to the left the other to the right. Both have written "Zentrum" on it, which means "center" - i am sure you find more than those two examples in the game. I am aware that this is very very nit-picky but it would never ever happen on a GT game, the attention to detail Polyphony puts into their games is astonishing!
محمد زعبي Yes that was GT5 and GT5 had worst physics. The physics were improved since GT6 and are even better now. They are currently better in GTS than in Forza
Without Question........ Absolutely the Best Introduction EVER on a Digital Foundry video. Legendary coverage. Thank you John and the DF Team. Microsoft Has the Content, Sony has the Graphics. Both Exceptional Games Period. Doesn't Matter what System you own or game you Love, We All Win.
I always found that forza’s handling made all cars seem hyper responsive and skittish, unable to feel understeer properly. GT Sport makes you feel like you’re driving a car with weight. Not a cart on rails.
@@7James77 i think forza 1 ans 2 was good super handling, but since the 3 it's really unrealistic , car are over sliding ans drifting u can't drive a car who makes more than 500 HP ... Ridiculous !!
@florian henry Thanks for that information as I never played the first 3. I purchased the 4th one because of how well it was advertised and I just couldn't get into it. My main issue with Gran Turismo is the difficulty of getting enough credits. I shouldn't have to do the same race 100 times just to be able to afford 1 car.
GT Sport had the best comeback and post launch development of the two. Deserves a re-review cause my god is it a different monster now compared to when it launched
Gran Turismo Sport - better graphics, sounds, more serious about racing - more competitive, and probably better driving psychics also. Forza 7 - much more cars and tracks
Speaking of visuals only, Forza is definitely impressive but its no match to the overall appearance of Gran Turismo, its insane how realistic it looks. The way the cars react to the lighting is pure glory.
Really enjoyed the comparison but also the technical insight into how they work. I'm a Forza guy but pretty jealous of the lighting model/simulation on GT. The headlights and brake lights at night are amazing imo
Mike Bamford the brake particles are neat. The car reflection mapping is a hack. Like the real shadows, don't like fixed time of day in GTS. Forza has many more features, I imagine TURN 10 had to make more tough decisions on how to fit them all in without killing frame rate.
It will be interesting to see how these two devs utilize ray tracing in their future titles now that real-time light rendering is going to be available. A lot of the shadow, reflection, and lighting issues can be eliminated with RTX, which should be in its prime by the time the next GT and Forza titles hit the market.
@@jammeslive4050 Polyphony isn't using Raytracing in GT7 while racing, because it's impractical due to the fact no one's going to notice the actual ray tracing in the environment. But they're going to turn Raytracing on....during replays and menus? Menus make sense, but why in replays when it's off during driving? That makes no sense at all.
The damn replays in GT -- they have had the best replays since Gran Turismo 1 and NO GAME has gotten close. Why can't other racing games have the same quality replays? That's one thing that bothers me with Forza, some nonsense angles.
GT does clearly have the best gfx in 90% of the tests even though Forza runs at a higher resolution. So it basically depends if you want the best graphics or more cars and tracks, why not both?
In my opinion i think the graphics are the least of Sony and Poly's concerns when it comes to the GT Series. If you compare Gt5, 6, and Sport you don't see much of a difference. It's all down to the real racing gameplay and physics.
No comparison possible Digital Foundry, you know that GT SPORT looks so much better, I mean so much more realistic ! and it's only on PS4 Pro, imagine Gran Turismo on PC.
I love Gran Turismo Sport and generally prefer it over Forza, but I do miss the absolutely insane arcade mode with thousands of cars that games like Gran Turismo 4/5/6 had.
I love seeing comparisons between racing games because it’s fascinating to see the wildly-different approaches that two different teams take to try and reach basically the same goal. Art direction is less of a concern when both games are modelling the same cars, the same tracks, and the same art goal (photo realism) so the differences come down to the philosophy of each developer.
GT looks really nice. But it's still missing things like dynamic weather, dynamic day and night cycle, realistic wear and tear, crash physics and damage sounds, etc. It requires more updates to truly be a driving simulator.
I've been a Forza player for years now (kind of a fanboy also). When Gt sport released, i bought it, (no previous real experience with gt) i drove 1/2 a lap and deleted the game instantly, game just released back then and i think the controller handling wasnt quite optimised back then. Now just 2 months ago, i got myself a proper steering wheel and gave it another chance. I was blown away by how good the game was and the ffb of the steering wheel feels. Now just yesterday I bought a new tv (4KHDR) and booted up both my consoles, first gave forza a go and it looked okay, Did find the handling of the car quite wonkey compared to playing gt sports last 2 months. Than i booted up my ps4pro with gt sport and my jaw dropped for like hours.. This game is by far the most beautiful racing game ever created on a console and nothing comes even close to it. One thing is for sure, I'm getting myself a PS5 with GT7!!!!
GT Sport looks absolutely gorgeous. Both games have done a very good job at showing realism in a Racing game. The best way to show next generation graphics is to always show a racing game and the developers of GT Sport really put in the extra effort in making the subtle things about a car stand out like the interior as well as light rendering on the trees.
don't listen to this guy. I've had a conversation with him and turns out he's a biased fanboy, who's playlist's full of Forza Horizon 3 custom car builds. Just another casual arcade player.
Just bought Forza MS 7 and can't wait to try it out. Grew up on GT 3 A-spec and gotta admit, GTS looks beautiful and more aesthetic than Forza. But for most people, the decision between these games depends on which console you have. After doing some research it looks like Forza could have more content though?
Sameer Behera i feel over the entire life time of both franchises, GT always had the slight edge to visual realism especially the replays, but Foza has always been the better over all game. I enjoy both.
Adriana Ruiz It all depends on hiw you look at it for me. For example if you just a car entusiast and want to immediately jump in and create sick tunes ans skins for you car with stellar physics and online play. Then Forza is that game, the car enthusiast game. GT is for a more tradional linear driving experience, or simulation, in that case it is more sim than Forza too* offer more enjoyment in campaign. Both great yet different racers. Which ever one prefers thats cool. Me i love and enjoyed both franchises for the past 2 decades day one. GT 3 A-Spec is still goat in my heart.
GT sport has some amazing shadow and lighting as well as detail. Forza 7 also has amazing detail, higher resolution, dynamic weather. Both look great and I wouldn't mind playing either one.
I'm a Forza fan, but gosh damn are those GT Sport replays gorgeous. They're definitely doing something very appropriate with the motion blur and lighting in replays. Absolutely stunning. As are the distant landscapes. Too bad the rest of the game falls short. Especially since I never even watch replays or stare at distant landscapes while playing a racing game anyways.
Brennan Lawrence Yes ive been saying this for years. I been yelling at Turn 10 to fucking take note but they keep ignoring it. This shit is catching up with them. GT has a professional level of camera work with their replays, you can tell they used camera experts when building their games. This is with mostly all their games. Their replays are the best in the world hands down. Damn i wish Forza had this level of attention and options in replay. I feel like we never going to get it though. Kinda sucks for content creators.
Definitely, but in my opinion Forza is more fun to drive. My friend and I played Gran Turismo 6 and we didn't like it. I can't exactly explain why (maybe it's the camera shake or blur or field of view or whatever), but Forza simply feels more exciting.
Even more arcady than Burnout? Seriously though, I wouldn't call it arcady (granted the assist is disabled). It's definitely has a strong simulator vibe to me. I am not the one to judge it though, because I don't spend hours on racing games.
Video Games Sounds *Now we could say "GT came out after Forza so it should look slightly better", the same logic that is used to try and justify the 1Xs big power difference over the pro, but I'm not going to say that, and neither should fanboys try and make excuses for the pro, it is what it is, Congratulations Sony and a great looking racer, and Congratulations Xbox on a beast of a console.* 😊 *See power isn't everything, which is what Xbox fans have been trying to tell Playstation fans all along, so chill, it's ok ☺️, but make no mistake...this is only the beginning 😜😜😜, jk lol, I'm sure both companies have great things cooking up, so either way both communities will win with this new era of amazing tech, happy gaming my brothers, stay humble.* 🙏💗
I have played both and to be honest, Gran Turismo looks much better, however, the few annoyances do break up the experience a bit more but some moments look jawdroppingly good! I hate how the car paint reacts to light in Forza Anyway, I am mostly playing Forza Horizon 4 now and the game is great but still doesn't look as good as GT sport.. even on pc at the highest settings, the lighting simply isn't as good.
GTS definitely looks better, but I have to give the win to Forza, partially because there’s more content but mostly because you can actually own Forza Motorsport 7. GT Sport with it’s always-online DRM makes it a liability, if you buy a copy you may not be able to play the game you paid for. It’s like renting a pass to an online service that might get shut down any moment. Watching this video today, it might already be too late. No company should be allowed to get away with forcing that upon partially singleplayer games.
ainchamama Even as a GT sports fan you must give them credit. To get the detail level of GT with the number of cars they have in Forza, it would just take too long. This is where they cut corners
@@the-boring-car-guy yep, but I think that's not the issue tho. Most of the time models used in game almost always have higher quality than when implemented into the game. It's probably cut back to improve performance
In this video I agree with you. From my own experience in person I can say that this video did not do Forza justice mainly because I’ve never seen Forza that dark before. Maybe the PC settings were very different from console idk. That said, I’ve never played GT in person so I can’t really say which is better. Does GT have 2 cockpit views? I really like the 2nd cockpit view Forza added. Makes driving in rain a lot easier to see.
as a hardcore forza fan i gotta say the lighting in gt sport looks fucking awesome, its hands down better than forza....gt sport might end up being the next gt game i play, everything since ps2 days has been a giant letdown
You also have to understand that Forza games are made in a shorter amount of time and also have an open world experience spinoff as well. In my opinion I feel like Forza does it right and if they took more time like GT, they would match the quality of detail and maintain the high ground on car count.
TylerR FACT Videos you find on Forza are usually 720p, when you actually physically get a copy of Forza and put it in in Xbox one S it looks life like.
All I see is quality vs. quantity. Sure, GT offers less tracks and cars but it just looks better. It's not about jump everything and call it a day. Even with less cars, less tracks and less resolution it manages to looks better. Now, said that, both games are and looks AMAZING. The compromises where bigger on GT tho (and at the same time they where kind of ambitious on some things... the crowds, tress and shadows could have be simpler to allow for more meaningful details to be included). At least both are 60FPS which is the way it have to be. Less than 60FPS in a racing game is unacceptable in my books.
one thing i do notice a lot in forza on my xbone is when racing in cockpit view there are often glitches/artifacts. mostly black squares(mostly minor but bigger ones at times) appearing next to the A-pillar. on some tracksit doesnt happen but it does happen often when racing on Laguna Seca.
arup02 you got to remember there will be free dlc of cars coming soon on gts next year. This new GT game is so different from GT1 - GT6 where we use to play that kind of style. Is like froza horizon but instead branches into a new franchise. That is what I think. 🙂
Don't get me wrong, GT Sport is dope, but I find the variety that Forza offers much more appealing. And besides, like you said, it's not even fair to compare. GT Sport is not even a mainline Gran Turismo game.
arup02 If we look at Gran Turismo series, in GT 5 and 6 we had something like 1200 cars, but only 200 were "premium" and 1000 were low resolution cars from ps2 era. So, I prefer to have 200 beatiful, high detailed cars in GT Sport, insted of 1200 where most of them didn't even had cockpits and hd textures like in GT 5 and GT 6. So we can say, that this time Polyphony went for quality over quantity, and that's fine for me. Tbh those 160 cars in GT Sport are not a small number, and I know that other games have more but still, one hundred and sixty cars and each one feel different, sound different, drive different etc.
GT Sport is the better game, and I only okay first. The inclusion of a proper pit crew, qualifying, different tires and fuel all make the game a far better racing game. Forza on the other hand feels very Arcadey, and with no ranking system every match turns into a raggedy that’s heaps of fun - but it’s not real racing. That being says, the amount of cars and tracts in Forza is great, I just wish they had goofed some more F1 tracks. And the penalty system seems to be alot fairer.
It's all personal preferences, but GT sports blow my mind in car (console)handling, graphics and the overall presentation :) Forza looks a little cartoony etc, and the cars feel more floating.. and the steering wheels support in Forza is terrible. For me GT Sport is the winner here!
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It's nuts the amount of details that are in racing sims now. If someone was asleep since 1999 and woke up today to see this, their head would explode
Not really. I played GT on PS1,2 extensively before getting out of gaming completely until a few months ago when I bought a PS5. People put far too much emphasis on graphics, if you’re watching shadows, trees and people in the grandstands you’ll get smoked and who gives a crap about replays.
@@wrzl1675 yeah lmao
@@wrzl1675 yeah fuck progress , why move forward , let’s play 1999 graphics in 2021 , in fact quit fucking moving forward , let’s just replay old games over and over...
How stupid can humans get...
@@lawyerlawyer1215 he is talking about stuff that matters in a racing game such as actually good physics. If you have played Forza 7 you should know that it isn't even close to a simulator
@@benjaminhigham3624 if Someone is appreciating how beautiful the city of Dubrovnik is , and someone else goes and says , any German city is more beautiful, and i come and say wtf that’s just not true , the landscape , the weather, the physical place where the city is etc...
wouldn’t it be stupid for you to come and say , you are wrong , Germany has a stronger economy and better politics .
Because you pretty much , just did that , bringing physics and driving dinámics , into what clearly was graphical argument.
And by the way, yes I play forza 7 , and with all the aids off , I find it to be a Simcade , not a simulator, but DEFINITELY not an arcade game like nfs , driveclub , the crew etc
That they pulled this off 2½ years ago on a console is unbelievable.
I love my Forza 7, but I still think GT2 looks great. Lol. Nostalgia is incredible.
Many people forget consoles are nothing but computers themselves. ...and more important than that, computers fine tuned for gaming.
For instance, the original PS4 is from 2013 but it offered already an 8 core CPU, a number of cores many people still don't have on their PCs today ...and also 8 GB of DDR5 RAM, a feature that the vast majority of computers still don't have today -- several years later.
@@miks564 yep
Remember it has the best graphics
Mik S you forgot that the achitecture that amd used in the ps4 and xbox one sucks,even if they were 8-core cpu,their design made it perform worse than a 4 core cpu.
Also the PS4 cpu is clocked at 1.6ghz and the xbox one was clocked at 1.75ghz,thats why many games runned at 30fps due to the bad cpu
@@miks564 An 8 core that's worse than a dual core i3 of the era
Start your engines people because it’s going to be toxic in here.
sickamore007 yeeeeeehhhhaaaa bring some fish and chips with you. Plenty of salt available
Of course, all comments down below are going to be toxic
CTR > Mk64
Mone Sabri
F Zero X>Wipeout
LOL its gonna be lit in this comment section to see all the salty ps4 fanboys cry XD
I've loved Gran Turismo from the very beginning, it helped cultivate my love affair with cars that still exists today. Can't wait to get my hands on GT7 for the PS5
Same here!
I've played every GT game to date, but always with a regular controller and in a casual way. So I recently started playing GT Sports with a driving seat, a steering wheel and a 4K TV... holy sh*t, it was one of the best gaming experiences I've had in years. I can't wait for GT7. It's the reason I'm getting a PS5.
@@JesusGarcia-wh2hc Man GT7 is going to be dope
@@eliasraspail3650 Man. So is Forza Motorsport 8.
Only a few more months now.
I love my Forza, but GT sport is a beautiful game. The color on the cars really do pop and the camera work on the replays look great.
replays in forza have always been disgusting. it's a constant juggle between camera angles that make no sense and stay on screen for too short. i wish they worked on that. but hey, it's not something easily marketable so turn10 doesn't give a fuck.
I have both an XB1X and a PS4 Pro and for that matter a gaming PC and I have Forza 7 and had, up until GT Sport, bought every single GT title they've released on day 1 - and after playing the GT demo I will say the replays and cut scenes are amazing looking, but the gameplay in GT is very very dull, in that it's clearly high resolution, but it's plasticity and looks fake when you're moving - and it also looks lifeless in motion. Those replays and cutscenes are not what the game actually looks like when you're moving. Also GT Sport has terrible cameras - like the angle on all of them is off, you're either too high, or too low, or too far back. Finally the other issue is GT Sport is an incredibly limited game that isn't worth of the Gran Turismo name, it's e-sport garbage, has a very limited number of cars, no career, no car upgrades, it's just not worthy of the GT name. Forza 7 is a much better game and in motion on the PC and the XB1X, it looks better since it looks more life like, there's just more going on and it looks less fake, even if it's not quite as pretty in still shots. I own both systems and up until GT Sport I'd have called myself a GT fanboy more than anything else, but Forza 7 is a proper full game, while GT Sport has gotten very mediocre reviews and so far bombed as far as sales go. I hope Sony kills the idea of any more "sport" garbage in the future and makes a proper GT7 with everything we expect from a GT title.
Rod Munch Its been 2 years so is your opinion still the same?
@@rodmunch69 In response to your last sentence. You got your wish!
@@rodmunch69 I think the racing in GT Sport is fun
Goddamn are GT Sport's lighting effects absolutely gorgeous. The shadow pop in annoys the crap out of me but the night levels are truly something else entirely.
@Money-Gucci-Bitches Not forza horizon
Yup gt looks way better than forza and even with less resolution as the xbox one x
@@iv4n1989 As I said not forza horizon
@Money-Gucci-Bitches I'm waiting fanboy
Doesn't even look better than FH3
also GT Sport shines with HDR, those headlights during night races are a sight to behold!
I'm a Forza fan but here I find GT Sports lighting and color to provide such an amount of pop without going overboard that I might actually lean towards GT Sport here.
GT Sport is such fantastic driving game overall.
@BlackholeTtson452 did ya see the state of play?
@BlackholeTtson452 hopefully it looks and plays ok in the Ps4 as well
@BlackholeTtson452 youre lucky you were able to snag a ps5
@BlackholeTtson452 the career, then museum, then the music rally
Cars in GT have more details than my car in real life.
:)
:))))) cool
yes all 10 of them, to drive on 5 tracks...gt sport is trash. gt7 needs 1000+ cars, track creator, full car customization if not the ability to create your own car, used cars, full damage model comparable to beamNG, red rock valley, and single player career mode or polyphony wont see a dime from me
@woerink 103 cars is nothing
Your car is probably a 89 Honda Civic
Forza 7 is built on better hardware (in this case, benefits from PC specs). BUT - the guys in Polyphony Digital are just better artists. There is more to realism than just having better textures and details in individual objects in the game. It's the overall balance that matters, and the graphics team of GT Sport captures that balance much better, especially in terms of the lighting. It's much like the Jurassic Park films. The first Jurassic Park was made with far less tech than Jurassic World, but Jurassic Park 1 looks far more believable than Jurassic World. Artistry will always beat tech.
I think it comes down to making tough decisions and maybe GT made better tough decisions. This guy did a good job comparing the pros and cons of each decision made. Forza decided to make more cars, more tracks, more driving gear, and don’t forget rain. Forza might be a more complete game in terms of content while GT focused more on quality.
better hw, shitty half ass coding from microcock, never again
I thought that the overall balance is worse in GT sport, while individual details are better.
leadlefthand gameplay over graphics
"Feels like you drive so slow"
Good god, you've clearly never driven on a real track... Your entire vision doesn't contract Parkinson's in real life like it does in Forza with camera motion effects on.
The car detail in GT Sport is just delicious!
Did you ate those cars, Nathan?
Floatzelot Enyx eat
Should I say "Eat" instead of "Ate"? My mistake.
according to his profile picture yes.
You said it right this guy is just uneducated
GT Sports is incredible. Driveclub still has the best weather effect for any game. no game come close to that amazing weather effect.
GamE FrEak love to play dc in rain
DriveClub is in a class if it’s own lol
DC lacks hdr
@@MrMarbles the only good thing about drive lab was the graphics
Gt sport on a pro beats dc..
The replays in gt sport make me remember why I love racing games
Both these games are awesome, the rivalry is something I love as it has pushed each series further, each wanting to best the other.
SpinCycle here here. Well said
SpinCycle i agree, competition is always a good thing! both of these games look great.
Polyphony getting smashed by turn 10
SpinCycle There is no rivalry though, GT Sport has a 75 on Metacritic versus Forza 7's 87. Forza has been consistently getting praise every year whereas GT hasnt released a solid game in almost 10 years
Dislexic Potato I would say that GT Sport is a solid game, but it is now in its own category with its emphasis on multiplayer. It’s like saying games like overwatch are poor because they lack story-driven single player. However, I understand the frustration with many dedicated fans because of a lack of content with such a long development cycle.
I think on a personal level, that GT takes the cake for looks, being a developer myself, it makes sense why thy went the routes they chose. Each use different Engines to build, and that does make a difference on what you are capable of doing. Both look wonderful but i feel Forza is too "flat" in a side by side comparison.
I hear what your saying. I think that Forza cars look like 3D models compared to GTS.
@@The3DSMaxinator FYI, Forza never updates their car model, they use the same model from the very first Forza Motorsport, even the Horizon title does the same.
I mean, they did the cars and engine sounds wrong. Forza S15's roof is somehow taller than the actual car, the M3 E30's roof pillars are square unlike in GT, and in FH5 the M3 E46 sounds like a Z33 like wtf??
20:49 it look so real, look like it was recorded with a gopro IRL. Wow.
Lol
'Looks like a GoPro recorded it' isn't exactly a compliment haha
Ehm... No
@@jamiedavinci1328 Well I think the lower resolution helps the immersion.
Looks like something from 2008
As a Forza fan I have to say the lighting in GT is way better which gives it overall a more realistic look
Apex Predator Forza Fun?
Cyclonus the Decepticon typo
Apex Predator good thing you changed it.
Apex Predator true for me
Forza= more content, dynamic weather, less detail.
GT= more Detail, fair online feature, less content.
True. Lighting is very important. Photorealistic graphics isn't achieved through textures, models, or color palette but LIGHTING. Above all else.
I'm buying GT sport... I adore the details. Much respect to the developers on GT
You just appreciate hard work and that is something most people do not have today sadly.
If GT sports had a PC version running on Ultra 4k . I would never leave my room ever again.
MikeShotta driveclub is the true king sad the gameplay is trash
Wait for ps5
@@o_KingOfKings_o In case you're wondering, the biggest reason for Driveclub's beauty is the scenery. In open world games, usually the scenery is a part of the map so everything has to be drivable and interactable, in (arcade) simulators like Forza 7 and GTS everything is directly taken from the real life and racing tracks doesn't look that beautiful. I don't hate DC nor I disregard their effort but what they did is no magic. Look at some old arcade games without open worlds and see how great they look even today.
its insane to think this game runs on a launch ps4
for me, my original ps4 runs it at 2k60, atleast on my tv
7:01 - anyone else noticed that Edge Line is floating over asphalt producing some funny parallax ?
I see it now!
Yea, seemed odd to me at first.
Bet it was done to deal with Z-Fighting. It's pretty standard to separate objects in such a way, thus you can have tiling textures on the road alongside the painted lines to author more efficient textures.
woaahhh good eyes you got there
Yeah I also noticed. Little weird
Lets all show some drivers etiquette huh?
>tfw when you get rammed off the road and you get a penalty instead of the other person
#1 reason I stopped playing the Forza Series. That damn AI system they use. It tracks players and uploads it to the cloud. Then those bad driving habits get translated to the single player for other people. So AI would crash into you. I think they eventually added an option to turn off "aggressive" driving by AI, but it was to little to late for me.
Yeah, Forza Motorsport 7 is gorgeous but I made Microsoft refund me for that one. I bought it on pc and was fed up after a few hours.
Solid Shepard a
Sounds like you guys are bad at the game lel
I grew up playing Gran Turismo. When Forza 2 was released for the Xbox, I was a loyal Forza fan for about 5 years. I just recently went back to GT Sport and I’ve never played a game so well crafted and tailored for serious sim racers. I’ve never driven a real GT racecar. The physics on GT seem to make more sense to me and seems to me to be as close as you can get to driving the real thing (not knowing what iRacing physics are like) but I’m going to play what Lewis Hamilton, and other real life drivers play if I want to experience the closest thing to real life.
I like playing both games next to Iracing and R3E, gt more serious with a steering wheel, Forza with controller when I want a chilled cool campaign. The phyiscs in both games aren't that realistic compared to real racing sims, GT maybe being closer to the real deal, but none of both tries to go deep into physics like chassis flex, rubber marbles and so on. GT has the perfect online mode while Forza has a shitton of content, if you want the most realistic experience I'd suggest IRacing in VR, but for this you need a potent PC and VR glasses.
Edit: Oh yeah and an Iracing subscription with tracks and cars which only costs like 40 Million Dollar
ACC, RF2 and AMS2 streets ahead on the PC..
they call it the real driving simulator, just get a car and drive, no advanced and complicated bullshit
i also grew up on gran turismo, gt5 to be exact. i have an xbox one x and forza horizon 4. but on the other hand i have a ps3 with a playstation wheel. also i have no xbox wheel. so yea
@@joaquingonzalez834 true, but u will never be able to drive 2.million dollars cars , and famous tracks like suzuka ,monza , etc
Digital foundry is the only channel where I press the like button as soon as video starts, keep up the good work of providing detailed analysis.
Only if it's john narrating
Unfortunately their videos trigger portals to the 9th circle of hell in the comment sections.
AKSBSU LMAO
I used to play Forza a long time ago and I really like the game but the the graphics, physics, and overall detail of Gran Turismo is incredible.
Gran Turismo phisics effects is ridiculous, it´s look like a toy remote control car. And all the rest, Forza Motorsport 7 is better, includes dinamic wheather and more. GT Sport not was have rain for years, only include rain after with an update. GT Sport only have about 200 cars, FM7 have more than 700. ✌😏👍
@@danielcpierremForza’s car list only helps prove it’s focus on quantity over quality. GranTurismo 5 had 1089 cars, but now focuses on what really matters in a racing game. the gameplay above shows just how bland Forza is. it has no structure. Forza is most known for it’s horrible online races, it’s exactly why Forza Esports failed. it offers nothing for players nor spectators. GranTurismo is an Esports legend because it focuses on making a better racing experience. from an Offical sponsorship with Tag Heuer to Offical Esports championships for the FIA. None of that is present in Forza. Nobody watched Forza Esports players ram it out with awful camera angles and no race strategies. it failed miserably lmfao
@@thomas751, you talked about 1089 cars on Grande Turismo 5, horrível models and textures... This point don't have any relation with another game, Forza Motorsport 7... And the aspects that i mencionated here, Forza Motorsport 7 is better than Gran Turismo 7, that's a fact! ✌️😎👍
@@thomas751, and FIA is just a marketing, only for register records and compares to F1 racing series... By the way, Gran Turismo has lost the "FIA certification" by Asseto Corsa... Sorry dude, you failed miserably again... 😂😂😂
@@danielcpierrem wait what aspects exactly? dynamic weather and rain? LMFAO is that what you think makes a racing game? Forza Motorsport 4 released a whole year after Gran Turismo 5, with less than half the amount of cars. which funny enough has always lacked detail compared to Gran Turismo. gameplay shown clearly proves that… Forza only has a bigger car list now because Gran Turismo cares more for a far better racing experience lmfao
Lighting and overall atmosphere of GT wins it for me in terms of visuals.
I don't care about the graphics since they look ok if the game came after 2011. They are completely same and better graphics will never make a racing game better. If you don't believe me you can look at iracing. Also I prefer gt sport to forza
Watching my replays on GT always brings smile to my face.
biggest thing about forza, it's way too fucking dark, as an owner of forza 7.
AMGV Media turn up your brightness?
Hola My G no it's just the sky is cloudy and just makes everything dim. Turning brightness up would make some things to bright
I don't own either game, but based on these vids I was going to say the opposite. GT is way too bright and ultra shiny, makes the colors look cartoony.
MidnightJacket i can see the argument, but sunny days on most of these tracks are really bright. Forza car interiors have always been especially dim. Really wish t10 would stop making the game look unrealistic
The issue I have in FM7 is when you set the condition of the track to day it’s either sunny or cloudy and you can’t choose. For example I was racing a huayra BC set on day on suzuka and when I restart the race and took a Zonda R, suzuka was all happy and sunny
I totally agree about GT replay quality! I find myself watching replays of my race all the time just in awe of the quality and camera work. It’s just amazing and I fooled my dad into believing it was a real race happening on live tv! Especially great when racing with the Bugatti Chiron!
brad maxwell there is no Chiron...
S G I think he meant the VGT lol
Watching your race in replay is what got me in to Gran Tourismo. It's just beautiful to watch.
Also, the drifting on GT Sport is fucking BEAUTIFUL, GORGEOUS🔥
Your forgot to talk about how Forza has no pitting animation, whereas GT Sport has full pitting animations, and is quick.
i dont forget about IA
I just remembered, every time I play GT Sport I realize I don’t see any other car in the pit stops, it’s like once they hit that line, they disappear, but still GT Sport is glorious, that’s what made me love it
Forza is for salty kids thats why.
I own both. Have been playing extensively GTSport on PS4 Pro and Forza 7 on One X. In short, there is no match. GTSport provides always the best audio-visual experience. And the big difference is in the lighting and the detailing. Look at the transitions between tarmac and grass, in GT are shown as "natural", in Forza are a straight line with two different texures. Look at the effect of the car passing over a sand trap, moving millions of gravel particles realistically. Then do the same thing in Forza and passing over a sand trap is like passing over concrete painted with a sand texture. These are only two examples of many other similar differences. One game looks like hand crafted in everything, while the other uses a lot of predefined assets. And the result is evident.
Next Forza should cut (or reduce) quantity and focus on quality and detail.
Same should also do DF in their reviews.
I agree with everything you said.
GT Sports best audio visual HahahahahhahahaHhahahahahahhaha
😭😂😂 it has like 600 less cars and can barely compare to Forza which is 4K 60fps and GtSport only being able to get 1800p. But yea they have the “best audio- visual experience”. Literally, no. What next, is 7 a bigger number than 10?
Gran Turismo "the real driving simulator"
Not provoking anyone but hands down, better than Forza motorsport. Even though Forza is catching up.
Only issue I have is Series S is outselling series X by a massive margin. So will developers still aim Forza Motorsport 8 to play at 4k@120, 4k60 or 1080@120.
@@YAS2K2 it might be a better driving simulator than Motorsport. But it’s fair to say Forza Horizon is the overall better racing game than both.
Been a PC gamer for 20 years and i haven't own a PS or XBOX but i have to say GT does look awesome
GT would look even better on PC.. the quality of shadows, reflections and textures could go so much higher... (I'm guessing they're limited by the performance on console)
Been seeing a lot of pc gamers do this, even the UA-cam simracers, respect
Except the low res shadows and soupy trackside textures..
D Smoov yeah because we all know how much time you spend racing on the side of the track, or in the trees....
Thank you for the unbiased and non-condescending comment.
Gran turismo looks insane specially with HDR gorgeous looking game
Both GT and Forza are very good games, but GT shows super astonishing graphics! I would add to the video how close to reality driving feels/sounds...
The graphics on Forza are better
@@milk6765 did u even watch the video lol
@@jurgimacho5929 lmao yeah but what does that have to do with the fact Forza has better graphics
revisiting this after watching the H2H for GT7 and FM'23 it's pretty shocking how different these previous instalments were yet were both pretty much equally beautiful. I feel T10 really dropped the ball despite having 6 years to improve. FM'23 almost seems like a downgrade from FM7 at the moment. Maybe not factually, but in terms of how it presents
This is a monster of comparison! Great work digital foundry! Both are beatiful games!
Once again, Polyphony has the best looking cars.
Astral Frost
Cobra 4k please
once again? They literally used PS2 car models in the last game
Quinn Minnehan yes but they were revolutionary on ps2
@@Minnevan ps2 was adevertising it's graphics based on the gt3 , if im not mistaken the gt3 graphics were never matched by another ps2 game
This is a comparison I actually like. Whenever I see those videos of a lap on the same track same car across 2 or 3 different games without much else is annoying. This takes more time and actually looks into details and a real person explains it thoroughly. Good job 👍
I love them both, but I started on grand turismo back in the day. Gran turismo 4 is master race.
3 and 4
Of course me too 3 and 4 the best
GT2 for me. What a classic!
I have played all Grand Turismos except for sport (since I haven't gotten the chance to get a PS4 yet) and I've had so much fun throughout the years on all of them
I just more or less "completed" GT4 again after "just checking out how those emulator thingies work" - this game is so damn good. Sure we can take GT3 into it because 4 was GT3+, the same as GT1 and 2 were.
Forza Motorsport on the other hand is great at first glance but for me it quickly started to fall apart, it lacks the soul of the Polyphony games and it feels lackluster when you dive deep into the game. The cars look great and the tracks are awesome, everything else is done without soul. Turn 10 placed some really weird textures like roadsigns. At Nürburgring In the middle of Döttinger Höhe there is a sign on the left that just has some random shit written on it. On swiss alps there is a post with two direction signs on it, one to the left the other to the right. Both have written "Zentrum" on it, which means "center" - i am sure you find more than those two examples in the game. I am aware that this is very very nit-picky but it would never ever happen on a GT game, the attention to detail Polyphony puts into their games is astonishing!
From overall presentation, I say GT Sport.
gtone339 No way, Forza has 8 times more cars and way more tracks
+4Nick3 they released more tracks and cars in the updates
GT always felt like the car too gluey and sticky , I owned and played GT5 and then moved to Forza and never looked back since .
محمد زعبي Yes that was GT5 and GT5 had worst physics. The physics were improved since GT6 and are even better now. They are currently better in GTS than in Forza
XBOXRULES well have fun with your lazy "pit stop"
Without Question........ Absolutely the Best Introduction EVER on a Digital Foundry video. Legendary coverage. Thank you John and the DF Team. Microsoft Has the Content, Sony has the Graphics. Both Exceptional Games Period. Doesn't Matter what System you own or game you Love, We All Win.
Ryan Hall finally a person that realizes that both games are amazing
Thanks you made me day
I always found that forza’s handling made all cars seem hyper responsive and skittish, unable to feel understeer properly. GT Sport makes you feel like you’re driving a car with weight. Not a cart on rails.
Exactly. GT cars handle like real cars, where as FORZA never does.
You guys sound so bent ..
thats probably why theyre actually sponsored by the FIA and proper racing sponsorships.
@@7James77 i think forza 1 ans 2 was good super handling, but since the 3 it's really unrealistic , car are over sliding ans drifting u can't drive a car who makes more than 500 HP ... Ridiculous !!
@florian henry Thanks for that information as I never played the first 3. I purchased the 4th one because of how well it was advertised and I just couldn't get into it. My main issue with Gran Turismo is the difficulty of getting enough credits. I shouldn't have to do the same race 100 times just to be able to afford 1 car.
GT Sport had the best comeback and post launch development of the two. Deserves a re-review cause my god is it a different monster now compared to when it launched
I bought it yesterday. Patch is bigger than actual game. Absolutely love it!
Agree
Agree, but they need to add that sense of speed in gt sport.
IKR! it totally deserves a re-review
Unlike GT, Forza was launched complete, it still has more content and dynamic weather, the additional content of the GT came with microtransactions
Gran Turismo Sport - better graphics, sounds, more serious about racing - more competitive, and probably better driving psychics also.
Forza 7 - much more cars and tracks
well see it now after tons of free updates and more coming its getting even better in every part it lacked!
7:03 You can see the side line hovering over the asphalt.
Yeah that threw me off for a second 🤣
Speaking of visuals only, Forza is definitely impressive but its no match to the overall appearance of Gran Turismo, its insane how realistic it looks. The way the cars react to the lighting is pure glory.
Gran turismo will always be my favourite when it comes to realism and graphics
Gran Turismo is the best racing game for me. I have GT racing videos (PS5) on my channel
No gameplay lamo
Really enjoyed the comparison but also the technical insight into how they work. I'm a Forza guy but pretty jealous of the lighting model/simulation on GT. The headlights and brake lights at night are amazing imo
Curtis Riceman whoa, lets welcome this Forza fan warmly to the prospect of being a Gran Turismo fan with kindness!
I think GT looks great...no trolling from me. Not fussed whether the weather is fixed or dynamic either!
Mike Bamford the brake particles are neat. The car reflection mapping is a hack. Like the real shadows, don't like fixed time of day in GTS. Forza has many more features, I imagine TURN 10 had to make more tough decisions on how to fit them all in without killing frame rate.
It will be interesting to see how these two devs utilize ray tracing in their future titles now that real-time light rendering is going to be available. A lot of the shadow, reflection, and lighting issues can be eliminated with RTX, which should be in its prime by the time the next GT and Forza titles hit the market.
They are using ray tracing in gt sport
@@tosehoed123 no they aren't the PS4 and Xbox One don't support ray tracing at all.
@@jammeslive4050 Polyphony isn't using Raytracing in GT7 while racing, because it's impractical due to the fact no one's going to notice the actual ray tracing in the environment. But they're going to turn Raytracing on....during replays and menus?
Menus make sense, but why in replays when it's off during driving? That makes no sense at all.
@@Sleepy_Moon84 because a replay is a highlight reel so it would make sense to make them look better with RT
^ And now FM8 will be using it in gameplay itself
The damn replays in GT -- they have had the best replays since Gran Turismo 1 and NO GAME has gotten close. Why can't other racing games have the same quality replays? That's one thing that bothers me with Forza, some nonsense angles.
Yeah true, Forza 7 replay still looks like it’s behind Gran Turismo 5’s replay cams
GT does clearly have the best gfx in 90% of the tests even though Forza runs at a higher resolution.
So it basically depends if you want the best graphics or more cars and tracks, why not both?
In my opinion i think the graphics are the least of Sony and Poly's concerns when it comes to the GT Series. If you compare Gt5, 6, and Sport you don't see much of a difference. It's all down to the real racing gameplay and physics.
Gt sport is a true art.
No comparison possible Digital Foundry, you know that GT SPORT looks so much better, I mean so much more realistic ! and it's only on PS4 Pro, imagine Gran Turismo on PC.
I love Gran Turismo Sport and generally prefer it over Forza, but I do miss the absolutely insane arcade mode with thousands of cars that games like Gran Turismo 4/5/6 had.
Hopefully gt7 will bring that back... sport is nothing more than a prologue entry, they just just didn't wanna call it GT Prologue 3: Sport edition
@@TheWonderwiess Sport is not a prologue. There's no reason you could see it that way.
@@TheWonderwiess Definitely couldn't agree more.
@@aenoofficial 100% prologue
I love seeing comparisons between racing games because it’s fascinating to see the wildly-different approaches that two different teams take to try and reach basically the same goal. Art direction is less of a concern when both games are modelling the same cars, the same tracks, and the same art goal (photo realism) so the differences come down to the philosophy of each developer.
GT looks really nice. But it's still missing things like dynamic weather, dynamic day and night cycle, realistic wear and tear, crash physics and damage sounds, etc. It requires more updates to truly be a driving simulator.
I've been a Forza player for years now (kind of a fanboy also). When Gt sport released, i bought it, (no previous real experience with gt) i drove 1/2 a lap and deleted the game instantly, game just released back then and i think the controller handling wasnt quite optimised back then. Now just 2 months ago, i got myself a proper steering wheel and gave it another chance. I was blown away by how good the game was and the ffb of the steering wheel feels. Now just yesterday I bought a new tv (4KHDR) and booted up both my consoles, first gave forza a go and it looked okay, Did find the handling of the car quite wonkey compared to playing gt sports last 2 months. Than i booted up my ps4pro with gt sport and my jaw dropped for like hours.. This game is by far the most beautiful racing game ever created on a console and nothing comes even close to it.
One thing is for sure, I'm getting myself a PS5 with GT7!!!!
Such a bullshitter..you booted up forza 7 on a 4k tv and it looked "ok"? Sure..
dookiekicks looked pretty bad actually compared to gt sport.
GT Sport looks absolutely gorgeous. Both games have done a very good job at showing realism in a Racing game. The best way to show next generation graphics is to always show a racing game and the developers of GT Sport really put in the extra effort in making the subtle things about a car stand out like the interior as well as light rendering on the trees.
lol forza fanboys.
don't listen to this guy. I've had a conversation with him and turns out he's a biased fanboy, who's playlist's full of Forza Horizon 3 custom car builds. Just another casual arcade player.
looking back at these gorgeous footage after playing the mobile game project cars 3...
lmao
project cars 3 have plastic cars
Gran Turismo 3 A-spec is my favorite racing game EVER, even to this day ...
funkyflights banger
Just bought Forza MS 7 and can't wait to try it out. Grew up on GT 3 A-spec and gotta admit, GTS looks beautiful and more aesthetic than Forza. But for most people, the decision between these games depends on which console you have.
After doing some research it looks like Forza could have more content though?
I'd say both great looking game but i'll give edge to GT Sport.
Sameer Behera i feel over the entire life time of both franchises, GT always had the slight edge to visual realism especially the replays, but Foza has always been the better over all game. I enjoy both.
why don you turn off the internet to see what happens.
Adriana Ruiz It all depends on hiw you look at it for me. For example if you just a car entusiast and want to immediately jump in and create sick tunes ans skins for you car with stellar physics and online play. Then Forza is that game, the car enthusiast game. GT is for a more tradional linear driving experience, or simulation, in that case it is more sim than Forza too* offer more enjoyment in campaign. Both great yet different racers. Which ever one prefers thats cool. Me i love and enjoyed both franchises for the past 2 decades day one. GT 3 A-Spec is still goat in my heart.
Only on the visualsame and that's about it.
GT sport has some amazing shadow and lighting as well as detail. Forza 7 also has amazing detail, higher resolution, dynamic weather. Both look great and I wouldn't mind playing either one.
Man I love both. Each have their differences that make them special.
100% agree
Imo, forza is more action focused while gt sport has a classy vibe
I have grand turismo and it's awesome, better than I expected
I'm a Forza fan, but gosh damn are those GT Sport replays gorgeous. They're definitely doing something very appropriate with the motion blur and lighting in replays. Absolutely stunning. As are the distant landscapes. Too bad the rest of the game falls short. Especially since I never even watch replays or stare at distant landscapes while playing a racing game anyways.
Brennan Lawrence The rest is just as awesome. It’s just lower on content, but VR, much better A.I. and online makes more than up for it.
Brennan Lawrence Yes ive been saying this for years. I been yelling at Turn 10 to fucking take note but they keep ignoring it. This shit is catching up with them. GT has a professional level of camera work with their replays, you can tell they used camera experts when building their games. This is with mostly all their games. Their replays are the best in the world hands down. Damn i wish Forza had this level of attention and options in replay. I feel like we never going to get it though. Kinda sucks for content creators.
Joe TheHitman if only T10 weren’t forced to push out a game every 2 years they might achieve something astronomical.
Wow, this is the most objective video game comparison video I've ever seen. You clearly know your stuff.
GT sport looks way better... not even close, so realistic, and its been much better these days with free DLC .
Dont you disappoint me comment section, i want to see some toxic, salty comments.
leonthesleepy you will you will
You got it dad
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Amazing analysis and comparison, i think GT Sport looks better.
Definitely, but in my opinion Forza is more fun to drive. My friend and I played Gran Turismo 6 and we didn't like it. I can't exactly explain why (maybe it's the camera shake or blur or field of view or whatever), but Forza simply feels more exciting.
Ivan Rzhanoy that’s cause it’s more arcadey than any of the other racers.
Even more arcady than Burnout?
Seriously though, I wouldn't call it arcady (granted the assist is disabled). It's definitely has a strong simulator vibe to me. I am not the one to judge it though, because I don't spend hours on racing games.
I totally agree with that point of vision
Video Games Sounds *Now we could say "GT came out after Forza so it should look slightly better", the same logic that is used to try and justify the 1Xs big power difference over the pro, but I'm not going to say that, and neither should fanboys try and make excuses for the pro, it is what it is, Congratulations Sony and a great looking racer, and Congratulations Xbox on a beast of a console.* 😊
*See power isn't everything, which is what Xbox fans have been trying to tell Playstation fans all along, so chill, it's ok ☺️, but make no mistake...this is only the beginning 😜😜😜, jk lol, I'm sure both companies have great things cooking up, so either way both communities will win with this new era of amazing tech, happy gaming my brothers, stay humble.* 🙏💗
Gt sport is still not finished, there will be a huge content update and new cars in december!
A released game is supposed to be finished, right? I dont remember polyphony saying that it is in early acces or anything like that..
I thought it was a released title?
Σταμάτης Κωτάκις Still getting new stuff.
Without a doubt the best Forza vs. GT comparison of all time. Completely unbiased and correctly broken down on both a smart and deep level. BRavo!
Excellent video! I was hoping to pick up F7 with my X but i think i will pick up GTS instead.
GT Sport for the win!
Now if only we could have a game like forza horizon :(
I have played both and to be honest, Gran Turismo looks much better, however, the few annoyances do break up the experience a bit more but some moments look jawdroppingly good!
I hate how the car paint reacts to light in Forza
Anyway, I am mostly playing Forza Horizon 4 now and the game is great but still doesn't look as good as GT sport.. even on pc at the highest settings, the lighting simply isn't as good.
Totally true.
@@norcal9168 😂😂
@@Jason74357 Gt Sport will look a little blurry on a 4k display. That's why I'm going to go with Forza. 1800p cbr.... Isn't great
GTS definitely looks better, but I have to give the win to Forza, partially because there’s more content but mostly because you can actually own Forza Motorsport 7. GT Sport with it’s always-online DRM makes it a liability, if you buy a copy you may not be able to play the game you paid for. It’s like renting a pass to an online service that might get shut down any moment. Watching this video today, it might already be too late. No company should be allowed to get away with forcing that upon partially singleplayer games.
Honestly whenever they switch footage from one game to another, i can't tell which one is which without looking for the game title.
number of polygons in GT is just crazy
Michał Drabarek is that why some cars have curved surfaces with obvious breaks?
@@waking00one nothing's perfect mate
GT Sport loooks better.
Totally biased opinion
@@ctm9364 That's the point of an opinion, dipshit...
@@captainkappa9067 whoa there buddy, chill out
5:45 I can't believe someone signed off on the Forza model and thought that was close enough.
ainchamama Even as a GT sports fan you must give them credit. To get the detail level of GT with the number of cars they have in Forza, it would just take too long. This is where they cut corners
@@the-boring-car-guy yep, but I think that's not the issue tho. Most of the time models used in game almost always have higher quality than when implemented into the game.
It's probably cut back to improve performance
Wow GT SPORT looks amazing!
GT Sport looks better
gehan64gaming cause they spent 6 months on every car
It’s damn crazy
Admnightmare i know it’s a true fact that’s why I said it
Motor Hub Now i know why The collection car on GTS is too short
In this video I agree with you. From my own experience in person I can say that this video did not do Forza justice mainly because I’ve never seen Forza that dark before. Maybe the PC settings were very different from console idk. That said, I’ve never played GT in person so I can’t really say which is better. Does GT have 2 cockpit views? I really like the 2nd cockpit view Forza added. Makes driving in rain a lot easier to see.
Games aren't all about looks.
as a hardcore forza fan i gotta say the lighting in gt sport looks fucking awesome, its hands down better than forza....gt sport might end up being the next gt game i play, everything since ps2 days has been a giant letdown
GT been napping for 10 years its about time it woke up
You won't regret it. It's the best GT game since over a decade. Maybe even the best ever imho.
nailed it
On PC. Redo this comparison on an X1X and I’ll take it seriously.
J C You do realise this PC is FASTER than the XBox One X?!
Impressive work John, You nailed every title with total scope & did squeeze every bit of positivity in each one, Keep up the good work
You also have to understand that Forza games are made in a shorter amount of time and also have an open world experience spinoff as well. In my opinion I feel like Forza does it right and if they took more time like GT, they would match the quality of detail and maintain the high ground on car count.
Exactly . T10 is overworked and thankfully took a break this year so they can give us a decent next gen experience next year (hopefully)
Yeah. I hope they can deliver with Forza Motorsport on the Xbox Series. I can't wait!
Damn I'm starting to think lootcrate 7 lost this one
Levonte King lol rpm at work lol jk....... gt sport looks Incredible
as Forza isn't match for GTS, how about GTS VS DRIVECLUB
Alejandro Rocha what about forza vs mario kart?
Toto Wolff Ahahah nerd, get a life.
Toto Wolff i love this comment
Driveclub is only 30 fps = Driveclub loses
TylerR FACT Videos you find on Forza are usually 720p, when you actually physically get a copy of Forza and put it in in Xbox one S it looks life like.
All I see is quality vs. quantity. Sure, GT offers less tracks and cars but it just looks better. It's not about jump everything and call it a day. Even with less cars, less tracks and less resolution it manages to looks better. Now, said that, both games are and looks AMAZING. The compromises where bigger on GT tho (and at the same time they where kind of ambitious on some things... the crowds, tress and shadows could have be simpler to allow for more meaningful details to be included). At least both are 60FPS which is the way it have to be. Less than 60FPS in a racing game is unacceptable in my books.
Sony: less content is a fair compromise for slightly better lighting.
Gran Turismo is the better one ive been playing it all my life and i still play the original one
As a Forza fan, GT Spot is awesome!!
Fritz Javel yeah GT Spot is awesome
This is why a new GT doesn't take only 2 years to make
one thing i do notice a lot in forza on my xbone is when racing in cockpit view there are often glitches/artifacts. mostly black squares(mostly minor but bigger ones at times) appearing next to the A-pillar. on some tracksit doesnt happen but it does happen often when racing on Laguna Seca.
admit it the intro to GT Sport is the best intro you have ever seen and if you havent seen it WATCH IT
It's pretty sweet but it's no Ridge Racer Type 4.
I’ll have to check it out but in my opinion GT5 has a nice intro
GT2, 3 and 4 intros were better tho. Both JPN and PAL versions.
agreed!
But it doesn't have moon over the castle :(
Why forza looks so dim like it was always night time? It looked the same in the demo i played.
Quality over quantity?
Or maybe both. Pretty happy with F7 myself. Can't really justify buying a racing game with less than 200 cars in this day and age.
arup02 you got to remember there will be free dlc of cars coming soon on gts next year. This new GT game is so different from GT1 - GT6 where we use to play that kind of style. Is like froza horizon but instead branches into a new franchise. That is what I think. 🙂
Don't get me wrong, GT Sport is dope, but I find the variety that Forza offers much more appealing. And besides, like you said, it's not even fair to compare. GT Sport is not even a mainline Gran Turismo game.
arup02 If we look at Gran Turismo series, in GT 5 and 6 we had something like 1200 cars, but only 200 were "premium" and 1000 were low resolution cars from ps2 era.
So, I prefer to have 200 beatiful, high detailed cars in GT Sport, insted of 1200 where most of them didn't even had cockpits and hd textures like in GT 5 and GT 6.
So we can say, that this time Polyphony went for quality over quantity, and that's fine for me.
Tbh those 160 cars in GT Sport are not a small number, and I know that other games have more but still, one hundred and sixty cars and each one feel different, sound different, drive different etc.
itsToon quality
GT Sport is the better game, and I only okay first. The inclusion of a proper pit crew, qualifying, different tires and fuel all make the game a far better racing game. Forza on the other hand feels very Arcadey, and with no ranking system every match turns into a raggedy that’s heaps of fun - but it’s not real racing.
That being says, the amount of cars and tracts in Forza is great, I just wish they had goofed some more F1 tracks. And the penalty system seems to be alot fairer.
Thank you, that was a great comparison video, truly one of the best I've seen for any games.
what's the music playing at the beginning?
Piers Baron - As Our Witness
Ipsen's Castle also used in GTSport’s promo earlier this year
GT trailer e3 😉
And what's the song in the middle that sounds like Placebo?
It's all personal preferences, but GT sports blow my mind in car (console)handling, graphics and the overall presentation :)
Forza looks a little cartoony etc, and the cars feel more floating.. and the steering wheels support in Forza is terrible.
For me GT Sport is the winner here!
One of the best side by side comparisons I've ever seen. Thank you.