Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport - The Duel - Digital Foundry Graphics Breakdown

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  • Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
  • What happens when two of the most talented development studios in the world tackle the same subject matter - albeit with very different priorities? Polyphony Digital and Turn 10 routinely deliver some of the technologically impressive racing games on consoles - and with the release of the PC/Xbox Series Forza Motorsport, we can finally deliver our long awaited sequel to our GT Sport/FM7 head-to-head. This is Gran Turismo 7 vs Forza Motorsport - our most ambitious comparison video yet.
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    00:00 - Introduction
    02:47 - What You Can Expect From This Comparison
    04:38 - Circuit de Spa - First Drive
    08:11 - Interior Comparison While Driving
    10:21 - Toyota GR Supra Comparison
    13:24 - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Comparison
    15:21 - Circuit de Spa Side by Side
    20:16 - Google Earth vs Forza vs GT7 on Spa
    24:21 - Spa at Night
    27:49 - In-Game Timelapse on Spa
    29:24 - Watkins Glen - First Drive
    32:00 - Mazda MX-5 Interior Comparison: The Revenge
    33:09 - BMW E46 M3 Gameplay Comparison
    35:24 - BMW M3 Close-ups
    37:29 - Real Hot Lap Around The Glen vs Forza + GT7
    40:10 - Car Damage Model Comparison
    41:57 - Why Does the AI Always Crash Into You?!
    42:50 - Driving in the Dirt - Particle Comparison
    44:01 - Materials Testing - Chrome Cars
    46:21 - Materials Testing - Matte Cars
    47:05 - Laguna Seca - First Drive
    48:25 - Google Earth vs Forza vs GT7 on Laguna Seca
    52:04 - Rain Comparison on Nürburgring GP Track
    56:31 - Frame-rate Options
    58:44 - NAME THAT GAME
    1:00:34 - User Interface and Campaign Discussion
    1:05:27 - The Wrap-up
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  • @ENXGMA_YT
    @ENXGMA_YT 5 місяців тому +2937

    Most people probably don't understand the amount of work that goes into videos like these. Thank you for the quality work DF 🙏

    • @tgreg9542
      @tgreg9542 5 місяців тому +16

      Facts

    • @Sunny-ip7um
      @Sunny-ip7um 5 місяців тому +27

      Totally agree. Bless them for being so diplomatic. It's obvious that Polyphony have the edge but they're still very positive about Forza. IGN's comparison was obviously subjective and favoured Forza. What do you expect when it was hosted by one of the Xbox stans. I'm sure they're paid by MS or severely deluded. Ryan McCaffery should watch this, learn something about objectivity.

    • @caboose967
      @caboose967 5 місяців тому +15

      He posted on Twitter he has 90 hours in Forza and he never has really played the game. Now that is academic research.

    • @IHateEnglish10282
      @IHateEnglish10282 5 місяців тому +6

      Yeah but I expect PC vs PC and not PC vs console like we saw on that video

    • @dnlwood32
      @dnlwood32 5 місяців тому +8

      ​@@IHateEnglish10282 What do you mean? Forza runs much worse on PC in my experience than it does on console and GT7 is only available on console so what do you mean?

  • @m-seb
    @m-seb 5 місяців тому +259

    Another detail I hoped you noticed are the full colour LED screens around the track in GT7, if you go close and zoom in you'll see that the pixels are individually and realistically rendered, to the point that you can see the RGB channels the same way you would if you put a magnifying glass in front of a real screen.

    • @DearFreja
      @DearFreja 5 місяців тому +29

      This is fucking amazing lol. The attention to not just detail but legitimate tricks in visual representation of tech/surfaces is honestly mindboggling.

    • @darknez09240
      @darknez09240 5 місяців тому +2

      fuckin mind blowned, kaz and his team is insane

    • @darknez09240
      @darknez09240 5 місяців тому

      @@DearFreja it's so convincing that we might probably just be able to live in GT's world 😂

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@darknez09240yep. The GOATED WORLD of Gran Turismo basically.

    • @wordsshackles441
      @wordsshackles441 4 місяці тому

      🤩

  • @Gloamy17
    @Gloamy17 5 місяців тому +512

    GT7 is a true love letter to racing. The menus, the soundtrack - its all creates an amazing space to learn about and engage in motorsports

    • @fabriciobarbosasoares6007
      @fabriciobarbosasoares6007 5 місяців тому +5

      Como querem compar um jogo de services com o jogo play station,

    • @1984dannz
      @1984dannz 5 місяців тому +21

      I just love being in the gran tursimo world, I saved my pocket money for the 1st game and a massive fan. It's all just perfect.

    • @necrosisar1039
      @necrosisar1039 5 місяців тому +16

      Excluding the grinding part, other than that its a great game imo

    • @Lordicus21
      @Lordicus21 5 місяців тому +7

      Only thing Forza is better is physics. The car feel more like a real car. The graphics sometimes are better also. I have both and love both btw

    • @senorsnipey1595
      @senorsnipey1595 5 місяців тому +15

      ​@@Lordicus21i would say crash physics but only in some instances. GT physics just aren't as consistent but I wouldnt say the over all visuals and physics are better. The driving feels more realistic imo

  • @MrTomPittman
    @MrTomPittman 5 місяців тому +287

    This transcends far beyond a 'graphical breakdown', and is what it looks like when someone is in love with what they do, up to, and including complete mastery of it. Bravo John.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому

      Very nice quality in fact.

    • @tufflucal4037
      @tufflucal4037 4 місяці тому +2

      @@purwantiallan5089 Yet somehow made it biased still. I've noticed that they do this, mostly because to please their fans on any sides.

  • @nomisastro2000
    @nomisastro2000 5 місяців тому +572

    As an astronomer I am delighted by how realistic GT7s night sky represents the stars and contellations. It's not 100% but the main contellations are there and star maginitudes are represented very well indeed.
    It warms my heart when games based on Earth have an accurate night sky for me to look at and enjoy.

    • @rodriguezkev
      @rodriguezkev 5 місяців тому +30

      I hope you don't drive with your head amongst the stars lol

    • @tgreg9542
      @tgreg9542 5 місяців тому +43

      Have you ever seen the UFO 🛸 beam up the cow in GT7 best Easter egg ever😂😂

    • @Muhluri
      @Muhluri 5 місяців тому +36

      The crazy thing is they did this already with GT6 on the PS3. I remember they used mount panorama for their demonstration
      Also: remember the moon missions?

    • @NexGenTek
      @NexGenTek 5 місяців тому +1

      @@tgreg9542You’re lying wtf

    • @VariantAEC
      @VariantAEC 5 місяців тому +9

      ​@@NexGenTek
      There are easter eggs in GT7 (not sure if they still exist, but they used to).

  • @VulpesVulpes144
    @VulpesVulpes144 5 місяців тому +241

    Just a small note on crowd movement. While it's more engaging to see them waving and whatnot, at actual races people really aren't fanatically waving like at a football game.

    • @IngrownMink4
      @IngrownMink4 5 місяців тому +60

      Thank goodness someone has finally said it

    • @VulpesVulpes144
      @VulpesVulpes144 5 місяців тому +15

      @@IngrownMink4 ah i see you are a man of culture

    • @sifi36
      @sifi36 5 місяців тому +9

      No, they just stand/sit still watching the race through the camera lens of their phone 😢

    • @notlekrut
      @notlekrut 5 місяців тому +13

      Yes! Thought I was going crazy seeing people prefer the crazy crowd constantly waving in Forza. They look much better than before, but it's so less realistic than GT

    • @BIGNOIDS
      @BIGNOIDS 5 місяців тому +2

      I don't frantically wave my arms at football games either.

  • @OldSilentHill8
    @OldSilentHill8 5 місяців тому +250

    This video is an incredible effort. GT7 has been one of the best games of the entire generation for me. The love put into this game...hardly seen on any other.

    • @ethiopianeyes
      @ethiopianeyes 4 місяці тому +8

      totally. been playing it since ps1 1995

    • @Kekszbelow
      @Kekszbelow 4 місяці тому +15

      Couldn't agree more. Turn10 attention to detail is seen at 23:55 .... "Weclcome" seriously hahahah...

    • @Fetidaf
      @Fetidaf 2 місяці тому

      While it was certainly an incredible effort (PD’s love for everything cars has always shown through in their work in a beautiful way), the actual “game” part of it was lacking imo.
      If they had the career from previous GT’s and kept everything else the same then it would be amazing, but as it is, it’s nothing more than fetch quests but for cars. “Beat this race and we’ll give you a car, do that 3 times and I’ll give you another 3 races to beat” and so on… I remember GT3, 4, and 5; it was a genuine accomplishment to get to the GT World Championship and finally beat it, only to be thrust into endurance races that’ll eat your entire life.
      GT7’s Championship was just another race for me and it was just underwhelming… I honestly didn’t realize what it was until after I won and the trophy appeared… and afterwards? Oh, do some more races and you’ll win a roulette ticket which will give you $10k or a car part you’ll never use

    • @oliverpunset9537
      @oliverpunset9537 2 місяці тому +1

      ​​@@Kekszbelow 26:08 CRAPstation S U X , Xbox Rocks

    • @oliverpunset9537
      @oliverpunset9537 2 місяці тому +1

      26:10 CRAPstation S U X , Xbox Rocks 💪😎

  • @77anfi
    @77anfi 5 місяців тому +55

    23:54 Forza spelt Welcome wrong

    • @niklas4338
      @niklas4338 4 місяці тому

      FC Bayern stern des südens

    • @SOCOMHITMAN.
      @SOCOMHITMAN. Місяць тому +3

      Embarrassing! It isn't written in cursive like the original sign either.

    • @IamJay02
      @IamJay02 Місяць тому

      LMFAOOO

  • @parker1631
    @parker1631 5 місяців тому +318

    I'm blown away by how accurate the treelines are in GT. It's something most people will never notice until they see a side-by-side comparison like this but it shows how much care and attention went into recreating these tracks.

  • @Homesbykia
    @Homesbykia 5 місяців тому +363

    Kazunori Yamauchi and his team are really talented. And to think GT7 was a cross gen game. GT8 will be glorious.

    • @jesusgarciacruz9059
      @jesusgarciacruz9059 5 місяців тому +6

      Yeah, especially considering the PS5 Pro rumours for next year.

    • @gordjy
      @gordjy 5 місяців тому +17

      You can wait for gt8 lol quite some time probably on ps6

    • @Homesbykia
      @Homesbykia 5 місяців тому

      @@gordjy I haven't picked up a ps5 yet but when I do I'm getting gt5 for sure. The benefit is I'll have access to all the releases dlc

    • @Homesbykia
      @Homesbykia 5 місяців тому +10

      @@jesusgarciacruz9059 to be honest I recon a ps5 pro is not needed atm. We haven't even seen the full potential of ps5.

    • @ThatZenkiS14
      @ThatZenkiS14 5 місяців тому +3

      @@Homesbykiawe haven’t, imo I think series x and Xbox just haven’t been fully used correctly yet

  • @sabakunovedo
    @sabakunovedo 5 місяців тому +362

    So much love for racing was poured into this incredible racing sim that is GT7. Poliphony really did an awesome job here.

    • @shadowmover63
      @shadowmover63 5 місяців тому +7

      It's too bad Sony gutted that game for all it's worth with the Store

    • @sabakunovedo
      @sabakunovedo 5 місяців тому +28

      @shadowmover63 I don't know, I haven't touched the store at all. I was just grinding for credits and have no complaints on that part.

    • @SuPeRz4ever
      @SuPeRz4ever 5 місяців тому +5

      What store? 😕

    • @sabakunovedo
      @sabakunovedo 5 місяців тому +9

      @SuPeRz4ever I understood the Store as microtransactions. Don't know why people hate on it when it's completely optional and just for buying credits which you can earn by playing.

    • @markus9641
      @markus9641 5 місяців тому +3

      @@shadowmover63 Most likely not Sony's decision, but rather Polyphonys desire to meet quotas.

  • @crabbitgeezer
    @crabbitgeezer 5 місяців тому +48

    Just got GT7 based on this video - for £30 too! I thought that Forza looked brilliant on Xbox series x but am blown away by GT7 gfx. Great job Mr Linneman.

    • @JFinns
      @JFinns 5 місяців тому +5

      It's not just the better GT7 graphics but car and track accuracy. They are simple closer to the real tracks that make it believable that you are racing on something that exists in real life.

    • @nisnast
      @nisnast 5 місяців тому +3

      I haven't played GT in years, last time I played was only a couple hours on PS2 with GT4, I skipped the PS3 and even though I own a PS4, I never played GT Sport, and after giving GT7 one year to cool my head because of the MTX fiasco at launch, I find that I very much enjoy the game, the driving model, soundtrack, menu design, it's all just so... singularly GT, I have enjoyed very much putting in an hour a day in it for the past few months.
      There's still stuff I hate about the game (AI could be better, roulettes make me mad, the freaking expensive legendary cars, etc, etc) but the experience of actually sitting down and playing it is great.

  • @aghostnamedjimmy
    @aghostnamedjimmy 5 місяців тому +178

    Man, there’s something about the car paint in GT7. It looks convincingly real

    • @andyjefferson1308
      @andyjefferson1308 5 місяців тому +3

      How??? Not every car in the real world has that glossy paint job like its just been buffed up & polished. So how's that realistic?? Unbelievable.

    • @ak740_
      @ak740_ 5 місяців тому

      @@andyjefferson1308cry

    • @infinitewisdom8594
      @infinitewisdom8594 5 місяців тому +80

      ​@@andyjefferson1308stop crying😂

    • @cathalorourke1
      @cathalorourke1 5 місяців тому +53

      ​@@andyjefferson1308Really, calm down with the cope, my god lmao

    • @mrglass7133
      @mrglass7133 5 місяців тому +4

      It's just shiny.....
      😂😂😂

  • @thebham95
    @thebham95 5 місяців тому +340

    gt7 + psvr2 is so damn immersive. i constantly am in awe of the vehicles as i pass by

    • @rileyvosper411
      @rileyvosper411 5 місяців тому

      gt7 is such a mid game, its 120 dollars plus ps plus for online and vr for 1000 dollars (aud)
      I have a ps5 but hate gt7.

    • @TheSideshowtom
      @TheSideshowtom 5 місяців тому +27

      Yeh you missed this whole bit out @DF John.... GT7 in VR is a massively different experience and since trying can't drive without. (I'm a much better driver in VR than on screen!)

    • @ktbeatty
      @ktbeatty 5 місяців тому +9

      It's a completely transformative experience.

    • @Eskoxo
      @Eskoxo 5 місяців тому

      don't know it did not look anything super spectacular to me on psvr2 but it's probably because i mostly play in vr on pc.

    • @gotworc
      @gotworc 5 місяців тому

      Just wait for sales. I got GT7 for $20 USD recently. VR2 will probably go on sale next year sometime too ​@@rileyvosper411

  • @darwiniandude
    @darwiniandude 5 місяців тому +64

    55:40 "Though for this particular effect my heart is still with Driveclub" - exactly what I was thinking! An outstanding comparison you've done here, just incredible. (as always) - DF is the David Attenborough nature documentary of gaming.

    • @Parmie
      @Parmie 2 місяці тому +1

      driveclubs rain blew me away back in 2014, nothing looked as good as it, and still games are barely coming close

  • @aviownzlol
    @aviownzlol 5 місяців тому +64

    Johns the top guy. Always knows what he's talking about. GT7 developers attention to detail is unmatched in the industry. I believe there is a video somewhere where they talk about how they invested a lot of money into high tech cameras to capture paint.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому +7

      GRAN TURISMO 7 should've won Best Racing Game Award of 2023 and not Forza Motorsport 8.

    • @D_LGND
      @D_LGND 5 місяців тому +4

      @@purwantiallan5089They won 2022 but sure

    • @vincevirtua
      @vincevirtua 5 місяців тому

      They all know what they’re talking about tbf.

  • @haseebmirza2901
    @haseebmirza2901 5 місяців тому +444

    GT7 in VR is a beast of its own too

    • @db-mp2of
      @db-mp2of 5 місяців тому +26

      Not to mention the vr party trick of helmet reflections in mirrors and shiny interior surfaces, among many other features

    • @corptusion
      @corptusion 5 місяців тому +43

      Just ordered vr and a wheel… excited to give it a go

    • @mutha_fnmikey2325
      @mutha_fnmikey2325 5 місяців тому +8

      Sure is

    • @IHateEnglish10282
      @IHateEnglish10282 5 місяців тому +3

      Lol

    • @byost83
      @byost83 5 місяців тому +7

      Man it’s so good!

  • @Limbogamer
    @Limbogamer 5 місяців тому +594

    Both games are stunning but after this video I can only have much more appreciation for Polyphony's eye for detail. The likeness to the real world counterparts are insane.

    • @avalonr.s.1438
      @avalonr.s.1438 5 місяців тому +48

      Oh yeah. Polyphony's attention to detail is second to none. Can hardly wait to see how much attention detail, they will put into GT8.

    • @superlight1999
      @superlight1999 5 місяців тому +37

      @@avalonr.s.1438 it will be more. remember, gt7 is a ps4 game in mind. cross gen game never show true potential of the newer console.

    • @bungwohlio
      @bungwohlio 5 місяців тому +9

      But gran turdismo 7 looks like some anime with it's over saturated colors. Forza Motorsport looks more like real life.

    • @RellyG100
      @RellyG100 5 місяців тому +67

      @@bungwohlioI disagree

    • @darwiniandude
      @darwiniandude 5 місяців тому +25

      GT7 on first launch and in settings has exposure and saturation controls@@bungwohlio easy to make it look way less saturated if that's what you want.

  • @sehrschee
    @sehrschee 5 місяців тому +57

    I will be forever in awe of the magic displayed by the wizards at Polyphony Digital. The whole driving experince they deliver is a unique crossover between art and design and technolgy. Masterful. Also Huge fan of the musc selection aswell. Love the Chris Hülsbeck track and also DMC5!

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому +2

      I also a massive fan of music selections in Gran Turismo. Is it possible to listen anime soundtracks in GT7 via custom songs from PS4 or PS5 Internal Storage?

    • @aprilionorange6414
      @aprilionorange6414 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@purwantiallan5089 Not sure if it's possible from the storage; but I noticed GT automatically silences the music if you use spotify in the background on the ps5!

    • @winonesoon9771
      @winonesoon9771 4 місяці тому +1

      I have a pretty bad ass PC and a sim rig.... But I really Wana try out GT7 so I'll probably buy a ps5 to... I'll need one any ways to play GTA 6 when that comes out anyways.......

    • @brickshowstudios7503
      @brickshowstudios7503 Місяць тому +1

      @@aprilionorange6414and if you turn down the music a bit it blends so well

  • @jackbrabham
    @jackbrabham 5 місяців тому +62

    Great video, John! Really enjoyed. One thing you missed is the way GT7 simulates a drying up track: it's just outstanding and I often play races with mixed conditions just so that I can witness it.

    • @WTFHAX93
      @WTFHAX93 5 місяців тому +7

      Yeah, but the drying up path is predetermined, unfortunately. A perfect example of that is shown on one of Super GT's videos when he raced on a rainy High Speed Ring - the final corner's inside was drying off despite everybody driving on the outside of that corner.

    • @wordsshackles441
      @wordsshackles441 4 місяці тому

      Yes, that's a big omission. I was thinking the same.

  • @PalmDesertRock
    @PalmDesertRock 5 місяців тому +255

    After hundreds of hours in GT7 I got used to the graphics, but man, this video really makes me appreciate again how breathtaking it looks. Gorgeous, gorgeous looking game.

    • @laughingseal2282
      @laughingseal2282 5 місяців тому +18

      My jaw dropped at the headlight details. Like, holy mfkng shiet.

    • @datruth4766
      @datruth4766 5 місяців тому +17

      I don't know, I only play this game in VR. VR looks good, but with downgrades. However, once you play it in VR, you can't go back. Having a stiff forward view in turns really hurts the driving experience.
      As when you lose control in a car(sliding on ice, and such), it is necessary to look in the direction you wish to go. You can only do this in VR, and every corner is better when you can do this.

    • @ShaneDizzin
      @ShaneDizzin 5 місяців тому

      @@datruth4766 forza horizon 5 (haven't played motorsport this year) has an option that will let you turn your head and will even do it automatically when turning so that may be something you could use

    • @Evarakeus
      @Evarakeus 5 місяців тому +3

      @@laughingseal2282 It's a lot more noticeable on some older cars, namely late 80s and 90s road cars where lights with just bulbs behind colored plastic. GT7 captures the look of them astoundingly well

    • @DearFreja
      @DearFreja 5 місяців тому

      This. It's insane. I can't believe they did this much granular detail.

  • @darvo110
    @darvo110 5 місяців тому +255

    The shot at 1:34 perfectly illustrates what I love so much about GT7. The quality of materials is just completely unparalleled. Multi layer car paint is just done so well, and the way light bounces off the reflectors is almost flawless. Forza has some things going for it but the attention to detail in GT7 is just insane.

    • @themarauder6108
      @themarauder6108 5 місяців тому +20

      That's because Turn 10 are still recycling models from as far back as 2005. Polyphony stripped back their car list and started to rebuild with laser scanned models. Turn 10 refuse to do this, they may have 700+ cars but the vast majority are inaccurate and low quality.

    • @darvo110
      @darvo110 5 місяців тому +28

      @@themarauder6108 sorry but materials quality has almost nothing to do with the modelling of the cars. Some cars in Forza are modelled really well, but yeah others are pretty awful. None of that affects things like the paint and light reflection on surfaces.

    • @themarauder6108
      @themarauder6108 5 місяців тому +5

      @@darvo110 I never said anything about material quality, reflections and paint surfaces. The models themselves aren't to the same standard as GT because they haven't been updated in years.

    • @HiLoMusic
      @HiLoMusic 5 місяців тому +14

      @@themarauder6108But they were talking about materials..

    • @Deliveredmean42
      @Deliveredmean42 5 місяців тому

      So why are you replying to them if your statement has nothing to do with car paints and materials in the first place?@@themarauder6108

  • @masonmethot3186
    @masonmethot3186 5 місяців тому +25

    We can compare visuals of both games until the sun explodes, but when it comes to connecting with the cars, the heart of the game. GT really nails it.
    Brand central could have you spending days looking through car brands and models and learning the history, watching the visuals as you choose a colour. It's really something to appreciate and adds an extreme amount of value to GT

    • @ZayFlxx
      @ZayFlxx 2 місяці тому

      This! Been playing GT7 for a month since I copped a ps5 and omg. I did not have the same connection with forza Motorsport 7 and the new one😢

  • @YTFRCARS
    @YTFRCARS 5 місяців тому +12

    Thanks for taking a deep dive into this comparison! I've always admired how much attention to detail Gran Turismo always had, and the vibe was always around the love and care of cars and motorsports history

  • @lethal_guitar
    @lethal_guitar 5 місяців тому +307

    It's stunning to me how realistic these real-time rendered cars look in modern racing games. Some of the shots here really could be mistaken for photographs at first glance.

    • @Haulinbassracing
      @Haulinbassracing 5 місяців тому +10

      No they dont they look way too vibrant and everything has way too much reflection. I get its a new technology with ray traced reflections and they want to show them off but nothing in life is as reflective as in racing games like everything has a light layer of cooking oil all over it.

    • @SabiJD
      @SabiJD 5 місяців тому +35

      ​@@HaulinbassracingI mean, gaming - even 'realistic' gaming - is an exaggeration of reality. It's just like any other medium in that sense.
      I'd say *sometimes* these kinds of games do feel photoreal.

    • @georgesanchez8051
      @georgesanchez8051 5 місяців тому +19

      Gran Turismo has largely mastered replays and replay angles. Some of the onboard footage from the GT World Series event at the Nurburgring also integrated some camera-tracking to focus on the car ahead, and it frankly looked better than real life lmfao. And let’s not get started on some of the VR footage

    • @Jay053
      @Jay053 5 місяців тому

      @@Haulinbassracing🤓

    • @alainchia9676
      @alainchia9676 5 місяців тому

      You mean gran Turismo. Not forza 3

  • @FranzRaymondGCo
    @FranzRaymondGCo 5 місяців тому +227

    19:42 Tyres spilling out would actually be a red flag in real life since lost tires are a safety hazard so they're usually belted together, or stuck on a tubular inner frame. Strange case of where trying to be "realistic" actually makes the game not realistic.

    • @TwistLosi
      @TwistLosi 5 місяців тому +30

      Yeah especially in modern times, Forza could be realistic in the old days where there was loose tire bundles but that's many years ago now.

    • @UberNoodle
      @UberNoodle 5 місяців тому +19

      Or it's just artistic licence to give a bit of dynamism to the environment.

    • @mancuniangamecat8288
      @mancuniangamecat8288 5 місяців тому +15

      But tyre walls deform and move IRL to take the impact of the collision, yet in GT they look like concrete.

    • @herrboogie
      @herrboogie 5 місяців тому +12

      absolute realism would also mean a crash means your car is totalled, you might get killed or worse... expelled!

    • @NightWanderer31415
      @NightWanderer31415 5 місяців тому +6

      ​@@herrboogieHermione 😂

  • @fractalsauce
    @fractalsauce 5 місяців тому +2

    I got 7/8 images correct on the Name That Game quiz! However, I never would've gotten them right without first watching an hour of John breaking down both games' rendering techniques in such exquisite detail as I've yet to play either game. Great video as always John!

  • @BrussoCanada
    @BrussoCanada 5 місяців тому +9

    I have both a series X and a PS5. I personally prefer the visuals of GT7, also it has VR which with a full rig, wind, and motion (which it has due to UDP telementry) is amazing. Furthermore, the handling, physics and controls feel much better in GT7.

    • @wordsshackles441
      @wordsshackles441 4 місяці тому +1

      Also the Sophy AI. PD are just on another level.

  • @PlayerOne101.
    @PlayerOne101. 5 місяців тому +166

    John I don't normally comment on videos, but this was beautiful. The quality and presentation was top tier. It has that Sunday cosy vibe to it and I need more videos like this. I wish it was longer. Well done!

  • @skjekken
    @skjekken 5 місяців тому +20

    23:49 Forza did an oopsie. Notice how it says "Weclcome". 😂 It's also the wrong font.

  • @90sRadVids
    @90sRadVids 5 місяців тому +7

    How is it possible that no game ever topped or even matched the awesome rain effects of Drive Club on PS4?

  • @jesusgarciacruz9059
    @jesusgarciacruz9059 5 місяців тому +5

    While speaking about Nürburgring at 52:02, they actually used the track "Awakening" from Enthusia: Professional Racing.
    That alone makes this video extraordinary. Awesome content, John and DF editors.

  • @Metalmurphy
    @Metalmurphy 5 місяців тому +205

    Fantastic video. One point I would make on how GT7 depicts trackside detail and their attention to accuracy is that it's not just about being "real", many of these things, like treelines, towers, even small bumps, are used by drivers as reference points for breaking, position on the track, etc. First time I drove at the Nürburgring I was amazed at how accurate GT was (Sport at the time, this was before 7 even). I felt like I knew the track, my very fast lap I was doing decent times already.

    • @scottdaniels8904
      @scottdaniels8904 5 місяців тому +19

      Know exactly what you mean. Got to tick driving Nürburgring off my bucket list last year. Like you say, there wasn’t one surprise for me driving the track for the first time. Every corner as I’d come to expect from playing GT, every crest, every bump. That real-life sensation though, how good was it!?

    • @Metalmurphy
      @Metalmurphy 5 місяців тому +10

      @@scottdaniels8904Amazing, yet scary as I was racing with my daily driver at the time, a MX5 NC. Still I spent the entire weekend driving there, it was a surreal experience overtaking a G series 911 only to be overtaken a few moments later by a freaking Huracan. Also I saw more GT3s in those 2 days then in my entire life 😂

    • @CaneZyle
      @CaneZyle 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Metalmurphy I wish I can drive in Nürburgring too

    • @Clay3613
      @Clay3613 5 місяців тому

      @@scottdaniels8904 Moneybags over here...

    • @oliverpunset9537
      @oliverpunset9537 2 місяці тому +1

      6:50 , 26:10 CRAPstation S U X , Xbox Rocks

  • @Ozziw162
    @Ozziw162 5 місяців тому +503

    The attention to detail regarding the treelines in GT7 isn't just impressive, but utterly bizarre! It's insane how they choose to model all these different trees in pursuit of accuracy.

    • @rubng__
      @rubng__ 5 місяців тому +102

      They also got the type of trees right which seems like a basic detail to get right

    • @adrianhosein7698
      @adrianhosein7698 5 місяців тому +85

      It's a racing simulator, you can't call yourself a simulator if you don't simulate the track as accurately as possible, forza just wanted to try and make their game seem more ' busy ' at the expense of realism even it means the tracks wouldn't look accurate.

    • @Ozziw162
      @Ozziw162 5 місяців тому +15

      @@adrianhosein7698 I don’t know if that is entirely fair though. The act of driving, with the physics and actual layout of the drivable track playing a more substantial role, the visuals surrounding it aren’t as important I’d argue.
      Whether GT7 or Forza is the winner in that regard though I wouldn’t be able to tell, since I’ve only ever played GT7.

    • @guardianali
      @guardianali 5 місяців тому +11

      @Ozziw162 Agreed. The "simulator" refers to car physics/handling and the track. The rest like outside the track areas and weather are just flourishes AND if it wasnt for this video, no one would even now or notice if the track side detail is accurate or not.

    • @mrglass7133
      @mrglass7133 5 місяців тому

      😂😂

  • @defunctchannel942
    @defunctchannel942 5 місяців тому +6

    Johns videos about racing games are always so good. The music and production are good enough on their own to be quality entertainment, but the actual critical content is great too. Thank God for John.

  • @ScrapKing73
    @ScrapKing73 5 місяців тому +15

    Let’s give a shout-out to Metropolis Street Racer on the Dreamcast, as I believe it was the first game to attempt to render realistic real world locations at good fidelity. All these games owe a debt to that pioneering effort.

    • @Nauzhror1216
      @Nauzhror1216 5 місяців тому

      They definitely don't. That game came out after Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2. It only came out a few months before Gran Turismo 3 even.

    • @ScrapKing73
      @ScrapKing73 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Nauzhror1216 I played Gran Turismo 2. It didn't render real world locations at good fidelity, IMO. Some tracks were based on real locations, but were cut down/modified, too.

    • @Nauzhror1216
      @Nauzhror1216 5 місяців тому

      Even GT 3, which launched months after it was not inspired by it, it was nearly complete when Metropolis Street Racer released.

    • @ScrapKing73
      @ScrapKing73 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Nauzhror1216 GT3 is less advanced than Metropolis Street Racer when it comes to realistic rendering of real world locations at good fidelity. Some courses were not an attempt to create a real world location. Others were inspired by, but not meant to be accurate recreations of, real world locations. As opposed to MSR whose courses were based on thousands of photos and hundreds of hours of video of real cities.

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому

      ​@@Nauzhror1216yep. It came out on 8th December 2000. Still amazing 23 years after release somehow.

  • @GAMERTAGVR
    @GAMERTAGVR 5 місяців тому +269

    Gran Turismo 7 in VR is incredible and needs to be seen to be believed.

    • @Eskoxo
      @Eskoxo 5 місяців тому +3

      iv seen it and honestly... not that impressed coming from pc vr... its still a console in the end.

    • @thatmemeguy2520
      @thatmemeguy2520 5 місяців тому +27

      ​@@Eskoxofair point but PC vr is generaly much more exspensive compared to ps VR2

    • @errormachine5056
      @errormachine5056 5 місяців тому +51

      I have it and it's amazing. Don't listen to any PC master race bots acting like PC is better. It's not. Yes, the graphics can be a little better, but that doesn't matter when the games are shittier. I've tried plenty of games that PC master race try telling me are better and they are just not.

    • @Eskoxo
      @Eskoxo 5 місяців тому +6

      @@errormachine5056 Graphics are way better it's a fact not an opinion... and as far as sim racing games its better on pc many more options in games and gear you can use not to mention vr support in most of them... thats not to say ps5 is bad it's just for different people who just want to play a game and not mess with 100 settings.

    • @Eskoxo
      @Eskoxo 5 місяців тому +2

      @@thatmemeguy2520 that is debatable when comparing the cost of games over long term use... it's just for different kind of people console is more for people who do not want to mess with setting plug and play on tv... i have both but mostly use pc due to better vr support in more racing games.

  • @spooder-man4782
    @spooder-man4782 5 місяців тому +325

    Man the lighting on GT7 is second to none. PD are wizards

    • @jollama
      @jollama 5 місяців тому +31

      Wizards that will shut down their servers to make the game unplayable like GT Sport one day

    • @OrangeNooob
      @OrangeNooob 5 місяців тому +4

      @@jollama like GT7 is not online-only, yeah...

    • @LyamBenacon
      @LyamBenacon 5 місяців тому +101

      @@jollamaacting like Turn 10 didn't do the same with FM7 a year before GT Sport shut down😂😂😂

    • @Michael-jr3gz
      @Michael-jr3gz 5 місяців тому +54

      @@jollama Watch the new Forza Motorsport get delisted in a couple years like the last one 😂

    • @FSAPOJake
      @FSAPOJake 5 місяців тому +3

      Forza Motorsport's lighting looks extremely good too, and I can't wait to see how it looks on PC once it gets RTGI, which should be early next year.

  • @CaneZyle
    @CaneZyle 5 місяців тому +6

    forza motorsports car model looks like cartoons tbh

  • @M_LittleRivers
    @M_LittleRivers 5 місяців тому +5

    The love, work and dedication behind this video is simply breathtaking. Congratulations for your work John, and the whole DF team.

  • @VariantAEC
    @VariantAEC 5 місяців тому +42

    GT7 is playing Christmas music now... attending to detail in Gran Turismo is extreme.

    • @sonyx5332
      @sonyx5332 5 місяців тому +1

      "attention to detail in Gran Turismo is extreme" this is why I love Japanese developers. With everything they seem to be like that.

    • @bmabs35
      @bmabs35 5 місяців тому +3

      Oh yeah, I loved that in GT Sport too. These games have the best menu music I've ever heard.

    • @Reydriel
      @Reydriel 5 місяців тому +3

      They've actually been doing this since all the way back in Gran Turismo 5! You can look it up on UA-cam for all the special holiday-themed menu scenes and BGMs lol

  • @quinsey9211
    @quinsey9211 5 місяців тому +185

    All i can say is. GT7 in VR is fuckin Amazing 😩

    • @paulszki
      @paulszki 5 місяців тому +11

      @@fj06carnone That is such a system-seller to me. I don't have a PSVR2 yet. Even if you don't play racing titles that often/seriously, there is something magical about racing on the tokyo highway at night. I only experienced that on PSVR and GT sport.
      Still haven't pulled the trigger because I'm still debating whether it's going to be this or a Quest 3 or some other random challenger in a year or so. (wouldn't mind a surprise valve anouncement).
      But I wonder what PCVR racing titles there are, that can deliver these kinds of experiences.

    • @mik7652
      @mik7652 5 місяців тому +15

      You’re gonna make me buy VR 😩😩

    • @edwardc5073
      @edwardc5073 5 місяців тому +10

      VR is amazing bro do it!

    • @Jeff.55649
      @Jeff.55649 5 місяців тому +1

      Shame the graphics sucks tho

    • @paulszki
      @paulszki 5 місяців тому +15

      @@Jeff.55649 wow, what a valuable member of the gaming community you are.
      My dude, just enjoy games instead of mindlessly hating in order to validate your own choices.

  • @loci5327
    @loci5327 5 місяців тому

    What a great comparsion...I love that dedication whent in this video and the fairness for both products. Thank you John, again!

  • @Robi-wan-kenobi
    @Robi-wan-kenobi 5 місяців тому +8

    Amazing video ! Thanks for the level of quality of this comparison ! ❤ I’m playing both of these games and my heart goes for GT7 finally. The love of cars is so present in many respects on these game...

  • @dex6782
    @dex6782 5 місяців тому +82

    Fantastic video! One missed detail for comparison - how tracks dry up after rain. GT7 has excellent system for that.

  • @johanneswetzler2861
    @johanneswetzler2861 5 місяців тому +285

    Gran Turismo is not just a game, it's a hommage to the love of cars. Every car designer will name it first when you ask him to name a car game.

    • @ownzuall
      @ownzuall 5 місяців тому +42

      Its also a hommage to the love of microtransactions.

    • @Ignacio.Romero
      @Ignacio.Romero 5 місяців тому +112

      @@ownzuallTalking like Forza hasn't released a billion paid DLCs for Horizon while GT7 gets free monthly updates

    • @MichaelPohoreski
      @MichaelPohoreski 5 місяців тому +21

      @@ownzuallMicrotransactions have become SO greedy they should be called *macrotransactions.*

    • @VariantAEC
      @VariantAEC 5 місяців тому +13

      ​@@ownzuall
      These aren't required in GT7 nor in GT6 where they were first introduced if we ignore some paid DLC for GT5.

    • @F34RDSoldier805
      @F34RDSoldier805 5 місяців тому +26

      @@ownzuall Uhhh, are you really saying that like Forza doesn't bombard with DLC cars only accessible through DLC all the time? Like a shit ton....

  • @joshuau.
    @joshuau. 5 місяців тому +1

    Wow this was very in depth! Thanks so much for all your great work! It was cool to see some of the differences between these two great games. Also this topic , Forza vs GT, has been a popular and much discussed topic online in the recent months.
    Thanks for the video!

  • @Whynot-wf2pe
    @Whynot-wf2pe 5 місяців тому +6

    Nice typo at 23:52 Forza! Weclcome??

  • @gonschor7dleven
    @gonschor7dleven 5 місяців тому +485

    These kinds of videos should be called the DF Masterpiece Series, because that's what they are. Top-tier content.

    • @purebaldness
      @purebaldness 5 місяців тому +7

      'DF Self-Congratulatory Series'

    • @user-qu6be7yf1g
      @user-qu6be7yf1g 5 місяців тому +16

      John lineman is the best

    • @Baguenaudeur
      @Baguenaudeur 5 місяців тому +6

      I like how they commented an hour long video minutes after its been up but without even watching it it's a masterpiece apparently

    • @gonschor7dleven
      @gonschor7dleven 5 місяців тому +8

      @@Baguenaudeur Because John always posts awesome stuff, his content is some of the best in the videogame world.

    • @deepblue8143
      @deepblue8143 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@BaguenaudeurJust finished watching it and now about to watch It again. And it is a masterpiece. Were there ever any doubts?

  • @H8Pugs
    @H8Pugs 5 місяців тому +439

    In GT7 you can feel the developers' love for cars

    • @msb8111
      @msb8111 5 місяців тому +36

      True, There was a time when we could say the same for forza, Its soo sad to see.

    • @FOGSmokebeer
      @FOGSmokebeer 5 місяців тому +19

      But not for gamers which is odd 🤔

    • @hookinsu7842
      @hookinsu7842 5 місяців тому +14

      And their love for people to spend real money to even be able to earn most of them unless you're a no lifer grinding hours per day. Gt has fallen just as much as Fm has when it comes to game quality the past ~5 years.
      Both series copy each others half ass attempts of making a racing game and see how low they can go before sales are affected negatively.

    • @haziqhashim2618
      @haziqhashim2618 5 місяців тому +19

      Yes, the inaccurate details in Forza is infuriating. Wrong speedometer backlight, wrong taillights litting up, etc. like the MX5 LED taillights at 31:06

    • @kayonji
      @kayonji 5 місяців тому +9

      The game opening cinematic says it all. Made with passion.

  • @nateye2450
    @nateye2450 5 місяців тому +23

    It’s actually embarrassing how little care turn 10 put into the new forza Motorsport. It looks like you’re comparing two different console generations

    • @oliverpunset9537
      @oliverpunset9537 2 місяці тому +1

      26:10 CRAPstation S U X , Xbox Rocks

    • @brickshowstudios7503
      @brickshowstudios7503 Місяць тому

      @@oliverpunset9537look at this nerd you didn’t watch the video

    • @oliverpunset9537
      @oliverpunset9537 Місяць тому +1

      @@brickshowstudios7503 yep - CRAPstation 5 SUX! Xbox Rocks !!

    • @oliverpunset9537
      @oliverpunset9537 Місяць тому +1

      @@brickshowstudios7503 lowstation Sux ! Xbox Rocks !

  • @i11usiveman97
    @i11usiveman97 5 місяців тому +17

    Amazing work for this video, massively appreciated to see videogame's details highlighted in this way. Personally though, GT7 for me is just hands down the better looking game, Polyphony are masters of realistically modelling cars.

  • @MichaelPohoreski
    @MichaelPohoreski 5 місяців тому +121

    I worked on _Need For Speed_ (PS1) and it is simply stunning how far these simcades have evolved.
    Lighting and fun is subjective so it is great to compare and contrast these two titans and what they prioritize.

    • @aetiusg
      @aetiusg 5 місяців тому +16

      Could you get your team back together and make NFS games like those again? I miss NFS games like 1, 2, Hot Pursuit and Porsche Unleashed!

    • @mja101
      @mja101 5 місяців тому +2

      What's a simcade?

    • @SonicBoone56
      @SonicBoone56 5 місяців тому

      Question for you: What was EA's reasoning for toning down the realism for PS1 and Saturn compared to the 3DO and DOS versions?

    • @NightWanderer31415
      @NightWanderer31415 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@aetiusgdon't forget High Stakes, so good

    • @leruty
      @leruty 5 місяців тому +5

      @@mja101 Mix between a simulation and arcade, nor GT or FM are real simulations and of course also not arcade in any way. The Assetto Corsa games, iRacing etc. are proper simulations, NFS is arcade, I think NFS Shift 1 and 2 can be considered simcades too, not sure

  • @BlackPanthaa
    @BlackPanthaa 5 місяців тому +540

    Huge respect for this video, can't imagine the hours put in. Also mega props for platforming a few of the issues with the newest Forza Motorsport, to have it come from such a respected publication when big reviewers just glossed over them is refreshing and very helpful overall. I hope we see a GT Sport to GT7 style glow up to the game in the future.

    • @BlackPanthaa
      @BlackPanthaa 5 місяців тому +91

      Extra shoutout for the DRIVECLUB music, rip sweet prince

    • @wirecxre
      @wirecxre 5 місяців тому +1

      Hi how r ya

    • @igsfs
      @igsfs 5 місяців тому +10

      Mad respect for Theo and John for covering different aspects of those racing games. Theo always has good criticism for gameplay and the feel of the game from the consumer perspective, like how the servers are running, any cool playlist this week? Are the cops present, are they tough? How's the progression? Is it grindy? IS IT FUN? As for the other side of things, DF has a surgical eye for all things tech-related. Why isn't it running great? How does it run with RT? Is the HDR implementation good enough? Frame times, frame drops, what causes it, and so on. Very fortunate to have such high-level quality information available. Thx guys!

    • @dnlwood32
      @dnlwood32 5 місяців тому

      I agree that most people don't fully understand but I think people who follow DF will generally have a good understanding, otherwise (generally speaking) you wouldn't bother watching the videos.

    • @chutcentral
      @chutcentral 5 місяців тому +1

      You can't imagine the hours put in?
      You can't imagine a 40hr workweek? Lol. This was on John's plate for the last week or so.

  • @Gilmourizing
    @Gilmourizing 5 місяців тому

    Wow, tremendous work here to put all these details side by side. Congrats and thanks!

  • @GlennThoughts
    @GlennThoughts 5 місяців тому +1

    John is my favorite member of Digital Foundry. I dunno but his presentation, emphasis and tone is always on point and very easy to grasp. Hats of for this incredible work. an hour of a UA-cam video?? Hot deym.

  • @BonomDenej
    @BonomDenej 5 місяців тому +17

    23:46 the sign in Forza says "weclcome to" instead of "welcome to"

    • @AzaiaMonota
      @AzaiaMonota 5 місяців тому +5

      LMFAO how did they not catch that in development

    • @NexGenTek
      @NexGenTek 5 місяців тому +3

      Lmao 😂 this ☝🏾

    • @sejanoz
      @sejanoz 5 місяців тому

      oh lmao

  • @electric_boogaloo496
    @electric_boogaloo496 5 місяців тому +9

    As a car and motorcycle enthusiast and a casual trackday rider. There is one important visual detail GT7 absolutely nails, rubber marbles that build up during the race outside the racing line and dry or drier lines where the car in front of leaves on the track as its tires displace the water.

  • @rastorage4099
    @rastorage4099 5 місяців тому +3

    That footage at 45:10 is so good. Almost feels like a real world photoshoot

  • @nihil14
    @nihil14 5 місяців тому

    Absolute banger of a video, marvelously done, John! And on top of that you included Chris Huelsbeck's Joshua Tree Windstorm which fits racing games so so so well!

  • @DearFreja
    @DearFreja 5 місяців тому +555

    This video is wonderful, and it has truly given me an entirely new appreciation for the level of detail Polyphony put into GT7. It's actually astounding their attention to detail and how much they clearly stress realism. Forza looks fine, it's a pretty game, but GT7 just looks unbelievable.

    • @prapanji9976
      @prapanji9976 5 місяців тому +10

      It's really sound ridiclous, but i wish DF someday can compare GT Sport and NFS 2015. The reason i pick NFS 2015 is because how incredible the graphics is, even till this day, some games can't do what NFS 2015 do. The main competitor to GT for "photorealistic" graphics area.

    • @degeautdfanfirst
      @degeautdfanfirst 5 місяців тому +2

      In vr heaven

    • @degeautdfanfirst
      @degeautdfanfirst 5 місяців тому +3

      Why cars take long be added and to add three a month pretty cool to at no Extra cost

    • @alphagames8737
      @alphagames8737 5 місяців тому +1

      Facts

    • @Aadilf1
      @Aadilf1 5 місяців тому

      ​@@prapanji9976Nfs2015, while night only, is still the best racing games graphics wise, absolutely blew my mind when it came out, and still does when I play it

  • @knackfor2807
    @knackfor2807 5 місяців тому +334

    I know John put a lot of hard work into this, so I’m gonna find an hour in my day to watch every minute. much appreciated John. Bespoke Kudos to you sir.

    • @SoyAntonioGaming
      @SoyAntonioGaming 5 місяців тому +2

      WHO IS JOHN???

    • @heybos4640
      @heybos4640 5 місяців тому

      ARE YOU JOHN? THANK GOODNESS WE FOUND HIM@@SoyAntonioGaming

    • @pillington1338
      @pillington1338 5 місяців тому +5

      @@SoyAntonioGaming John Linneman is the person speaking in the video.

    • @SoyAntonioGaming
      @SoyAntonioGaming 5 місяців тому +2

      @@pillington1338 His name is John Linneman.
      His name is John Linneman.
      His name is John Linneman.

  • @marcvanderkruis8601
    @marcvanderkruis8601 5 місяців тому +1

    Great immaculate video as always DF ! Props for all of your hard work and very high-quality indepth proper information from an unbiased standpoint.
    Nothing short of gods, you guys really and truly are...

  • @zlatkomiskovic7715
    @zlatkomiskovic7715 5 місяців тому +4

    GT7 has come out almost 2 years before FM and is a cross gen game while FM is current gen only game/ pc. ( hardware advantage in my opinion)
    Amazing job done from Polyphony digital 👌🏻

    • @valfar9999
      @valfar9999 3 місяці тому

      GT is a PS only game though while FM is at least available on PC and Xbox

  • @amuria55
    @amuria55 5 місяців тому +75

    I played so much GT7 since it came out, I can't even make sense of it, I don't know why, the game just feels good. Then when I was starting to go away from it, the VR mode came out and it lit my fire for it for some months again. It was great, really the best game that I played the most this generation thus far.
    Can't wait for the next one!

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому

      Especially the much added challenge on Master License tests too.

  • @ravinder.singh.
    @ravinder.singh. 5 місяців тому +28

    The way GT7 simulate driving in wets is very close to perfection. License test S-10 really showcase that where you have drive with dry tyres on a soaked wet track with limited dry lines. Slightly off the line and you will get what real life drivers had to deal with in those conditions.

    • @yuriteixeira5816
      @yuriteixeira5816 5 місяців тому

      Agreed
      It was a beech to get gold on lol
      Happy I managed under an hour

    • @purwantiallan5089
      @purwantiallan5089 5 місяців тому

      Each time you went off track may cost you 2.1 seconds in S-10.

  • @Robo4720011
    @Robo4720011 5 місяців тому +2

    Man, I'm glad that this channel and this type of content exists! Thank you Digital foundry for the years and constant feed of Nerdetainment!

  • @dimonfallout101
    @dimonfallout101 5 місяців тому +4

    GT7 is a clear winner here obviously. Not a Sony or GT fanboy though. I've also compared the PS4 version of GT Sport on PS5 to Forza Motorsport on PC ultra settings and found out that GTS has also much better details, geometry etc. Great video, really decent and detailed comparison!

  • @Eliseu05
    @Eliseu05 5 місяців тому +11

    6:50 This new Forza compared to GT7 looks like a game from the PS3 generation

  • @keefgtp
    @keefgtp 5 місяців тому +52

    I'm glad you're bringing up differences between the games and real-world environment updates. I'm not familiar with how Forza has handled this in the past, but GT7 did actually update the environment for the Fuji track earlier this year. A hotel was built just outside the last corner of Fuji within the past couple years, and GT7 added this in a 2023 update. It's kind of funny that they added it because the hotel is almost universally despised for "ruining" the view of Mt. Fuji, but nevertheless it is true to life. I would expect GT7 to slowly add these types of updates to the game.

  • @sonyx5332
    @sonyx5332 5 місяців тому +3

    No other racing game looks as beautiful as GT7 and with some many details everywhere. Playing this game on an HD CRT, OLED TV and PSVR2 is out of this world.

  • @red_noise_bomb
    @red_noise_bomb 5 місяців тому +2

    The work put in this video is immeasurable! Wonderfully done!

  •  5 місяців тому +277

    It's crazy how well GT7 holds up, those paint textures in close ups are just insane

    • @ArielCleirigh
      @ArielCleirigh 5 місяців тому +53

      And Remember an older cross gen game vs current gen game

    • @phase_1471
      @phase_1471 5 місяців тому +23

      ​@ArielCleirigh PD are working on GT8 as we speak. Cannot wait!

    • @joeydirt420
      @joeydirt420 5 місяців тому +37

      @@ArielCleirighyea that point really shouldn’t be forgotten. Gt7 just destroying forza these days.

    • @peacelove8395
      @peacelove8395 5 місяців тому +26

      "Holds up" lol like the game was made 10 years ago lol.
      After GT7 was released, polyphony have continually upgraded visual elements and will continue to do so for a long time.

    • @ContrastCopy
      @ContrastCopy 5 місяців тому +4

      ⁠​⁠@@ArielCleirighI thought GT7 released last year for only PlayStation.

  • @SiggsGBR
    @SiggsGBR 5 місяців тому +84

    Hi John, regarding the E46 M3; The car in Gran Turismo is rocking the standard '18 wheel package, whereas the one depicted in Forza us on the optional '19 wheel. In real life, the designs are similar but not identical, both are modelled very accurately here although I think the materials finish on the Gran Turismo car is a bit more accurate. :)

  • @RealRacingRoots99
    @RealRacingRoots99 5 місяців тому +4

    "From the ground up"
    ...lets not forget how many times Turn 10 kept mentioning this.

  • @DjFIL007
    @DjFIL007 5 місяців тому +2

    Around 24:00 : regarding trees at Spa when looking from the corner 11/12 straight back towards the start/pits area in the far distance... this trick, of adding a fake tree line, has occurred for endless racing games featuring this track due to demand of the long draw distance required for accuracy (along with active elements, other cars on the track, that would be drawn way out there).

  • @franzusgutlus54
    @franzusgutlus54 5 місяців тому +37

    23:00 this whole google maps comparison is a total win for GT. Super impressive! Mind you I am not biased, as I play neither of these games (or any other racing game for that matter)

  • @myairspace121
    @myairspace121 5 місяців тому +69

    GT7 is such a beautiful game. Also I loved the Driveclub music in the background!

  • @ItsAkile
    @ItsAkile 5 місяців тому

    Great Wrap up at the end, I wasn't sure it can be done this gracefully

  • @RBPhantomTilt
    @RBPhantomTilt 5 місяців тому +17

    I'm so glad this video was made. I wasn't sure if I was missing something but I always thought GT7 looked so much better after playing both. I just can't get immersed in FM even though I do think it has the better career mode.

  • @TheCynical1
    @TheCynical1 5 місяців тому +78

    Great breakdown. The growds not casting a shadow isn't really a minor thing though, it makes the crowd looks like it's floating without their shadows and grass around. Edit: Forgot to mention the Tracksigns at 23:56: Forza Motorsports sign has a typo and has Weclcome written instead of Welcome ;)

    • @Gloamy17
      @Gloamy17 5 місяців тому +15

      Haha good spot!

    • @spandel100
      @spandel100 5 місяців тому

      🧐😳

    • @pixelcultmedia4252
      @pixelcultmedia4252 5 місяців тому +12

      Oof, the typo isn't good. It means they're entering text strings manually into their design tools. That's a massive workflow problem so there are probably typos riddled throughout the assets.

    • @Muhluri
      @Muhluri 5 місяців тому +9

      Lol. Sums up Forza 8 perfectly

    • @fifteen8850
      @fifteen8850 5 місяців тому

      @@Muhlurieh, kinda, kinda not

  • @SeandeDios
    @SeandeDios 5 місяців тому +25

    GT7 is a work of art. The tail and head lights are *chefs kiss*

  • @GregoryShtevensh
    @GregoryShtevensh 5 місяців тому

    What an awesome video!! ❤
    FM guy here! Love the objective views available in this... must have taken ages to make

  • @slowlymakingsmoke
    @slowlymakingsmoke 5 місяців тому +1

    Brilliantly done John. The differences were stark when seen side by side.

  • @WillSith1337
    @WillSith1337 5 місяців тому +751

    GT7 being a cross gen game...too good

    • @AlexAparicio
      @AlexAparicio 5 місяців тому +27

      Can’t wait for gt8 next year

    • @toto-wolff
      @toto-wolff 5 місяців тому +60

      next year is very optimistic but I also cannot wait@@AlexAparicio

    • @SUPERFunStick
      @SUPERFunStick 5 місяців тому +23

      Both games are cross generation/platform games. Both studios are some of the best artists and engineers in the entire industry.

    • @goatman86
      @goatman86 5 місяців тому +21

      I see nothing good about game being cross gen. How many times are we gonna get half assed games made so the old boxes can pull it?

    • @sunman2566
      @sunman2566 5 місяців тому +105

      @@SUPERFunStick FM is only on Series X/S though, not Xbox One

  • @joepaolinelli7696
    @joepaolinelli7696 5 місяців тому +40

    With several years advantage GT still my fave... add VR and a steering wheel and headset makes it feel like a racing helmet cant be beat.

    • @joepaolinelli7696
      @joepaolinelli7696 5 місяців тому +2

      on my phone... hands down GT7 looks better in every way, we'll see about later on 60 inch C1

  • @JesseLyon13
    @JesseLyon13 3 місяці тому

    Great review, very well thought out and presented, thanks for ptting it together! One thing you didnt touch on was audio though. Care to update with any comparisons?

  • @captain_hanzo
    @captain_hanzo 5 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing the music playlist it's much much appreciated!

  • @thedonzhorzh
    @thedonzhorzh 5 місяців тому +193

    Gran Turismo has soul and is very clear that it was made by people with passion and love for cars

    • @natecollins9331
      @natecollins9331 5 місяців тому +31

      The Person who created Gran Turismo does in fact love cars , hell he even raced once....
      Kazunori Yamauchi (山内 一典) ...

    • @inmate1614
      @inmate1614 5 місяців тому +18

      It has an incredible level of passion behind it, but it also knows how to adapt the feeling of driving and racing in to a game far better than Forza ever will. I say this as an Xbox owner. To be honest GT7 looks so nice, I'm tempted to get a PS5 just to play it.

    • @plazzy9911
      @plazzy9911 5 місяців тому +18

      Gran Tourismo is one of the most soulful game series ever made.

    • @aaronsmith7143
      @aaronsmith7143 5 місяців тому +11

      ​@@natecollins9331
      More than once he has at least a couple podium finishes with Nissan at the 24hrs of nurbergring.

    • @4thManonCross
      @4thManonCross 5 місяців тому +11

      The thing is gran Turismo was created out of love made& hidden in another game before Sony ever wanted it. Meaning the Creator Kazunori made it without being paid or even knowing if Sony would green light it, that is love, he was not thinking this is gonna sell well and pay off, (that's Microsoft with a me 2 money grab) polyphony only knew they love cars and wanted to share that love with the world. The game bleeds passion and I feel it when I play better yet, or partake n the simulation experience, it's to real to be called a game

  • @tyo101
    @tyo101 5 місяців тому +132

    This video may be Linneman's equivalent of Ulysses. What a titanic effort, well done.

    • @notlekrut
      @notlekrut 5 місяців тому

      That still goes to his PS3 1080p videos. More than 3 hours of content and many many games tested.

  • @Kryptik0III
    @Kryptik0III 5 місяців тому +9

    GT7's car rendering is a whole generation ahead

  • @rKAL-EL
    @rKAL-EL 5 місяців тому +3

    You can tell how much John loves this stuff. It’s infectious. Great upload!

  • @denernogueira8829
    @denernogueira8829 5 місяців тому +83

    The one thing I loved the most in GT7 is the personality it gives the other drivers across the entire game. Proper names (based of real people I guess? I've recognized some names from GT Academy) and dialogue made a huge difference in how I experienced the campaign.

    • @kiisseli1337
      @kiisseli1337 5 місяців тому

      I like it too. Some people hate it think it as a waste of time. Haven’t played Forza.

    • @StevenWithoutTheT
      @StevenWithoutTheT 5 місяців тому +2

      No offense but you're the first person I've seen that likes the game using real names. Seeing the same names at the top positions got old really quickly and took away that "realistic" feeling of older titles. Thankfully it can be changed to display car names instead. Looking forward to GT8 I really hope they drop it or leave them to certain events.

    • @robf
      @robf 5 місяців тому +4

      As you mentioned driver name or car name display can be toggled pretty easily. I didn't realize the preference for driver names was the minority. Personally I prefer driver names as well.

    • @cobysantos655
      @cobysantos655 5 місяців тому +6

      yup a majority of the names are competitors from their esports series! so i find it quite nice that they integrated their most dedicated players into the game itself

    • @krlos_amg
      @krlos_amg 5 місяців тому +3

      I actually don't like All the "characters" and that stuff. I rather old GTs on that aspect, where you read that info from a dedicated slot in the screen (if you wanted) instead of those text boxes poping up

  • @greatwhiteevox1008
    @greatwhiteevox1008 5 місяців тому +62

    GT7 also has VR... I Hope PS5 Pro is somehow capable of keeping the RT on and 1440 or 4k 120... not to mention an update to the VR, it's the best VR experience I had with the steering wheel on Laguna I'd literally anticipate warmth on my arms as the sun passed through the windshield just to remember I'm still in a game, and same with the corkscrew, you expect to feel the drop down the hill, then don't, it's an extremely impressive tech masterpiece.

    • @parazels83
      @parazels83 5 місяців тому +2

      Yeah. According to the rumors the PS5 Pro will be pretty capable of ray tracing.

    • @zenkoz3158
      @zenkoz3158 5 місяців тому

      ​@@parazels83yeah my only wishes for it really are higher core clocks, more RT cores, and more base storage. Probably 1-1.5TB just to keep the price In a good place, and just keeping the ability to upgrade if you really need it.

    • @Eskoxo
      @Eskoxo 5 місяців тому +2

      @@parazels83 yea i would not pay too much attention to marketing even a 4090 struggles with ray tracing and pro will be like 1/4th the power.

    • @BurritoKingdom
      @BurritoKingdom 5 місяців тому

      The issue will be memory. It's rumored that the PS5 pro will still use 16GB of RAM just at a faster speed. Ray Tracing and high resolutions are memory heavy.

    • @zenkoz3158
      @zenkoz3158 5 місяців тому

      @@BurritoKingdom maybe vram, but the only thing really "limited" by ram is texture resolution and poly count as far as graphics go. The render resolution and ray tracing are primarily driven by GPU core count (especially dedicated RT cores) and core clock speed. Faster Vram is mainly good for giving the GPU more headroom to start processing queued frames ect. But since they're using rdna3 architecture, vram would would be more likely to increase in capacity rather than speed for a performance boost because they don't rely as heavily on frame gen or SS tech as nvidia.

  • @kapt980
    @kapt980 5 місяців тому +2

    That is a tremendous amount of john. Thank you very much and Kudos to each team for releasing such clean games allowing this kind of videos

  • @ConcreteAdvisory
    @ConcreteAdvisory 3 місяці тому

    Watching such a video from such a passionate is amazing. Thanks for the moment. Even the music choices are so nice.

  • @wiremesh2
    @wiremesh2 5 місяців тому +26

    I think that the biggest problem I have with the Forza visuals is the car paint. It gives the appearance like Forza has the subsurface scattering tuned up too high in the materials, giving the cars a softer, almost porous look in comparison. Still, it's minor, and not something I'd probably really pay attention to outside of a direct comparison like this!
    Curious to see what the modding community can do with Forza on PC.

    • @kraenk12
      @kraenk12 5 місяців тому +6

      Car paint in Forza always looks like plastic. They never improve.

    • @vandammage1747
      @vandammage1747 5 місяців тому +3

      GT7 carpaint look better but FM definitely is closer this time around. GT7 suffer from last gen shadows though, the shadows underneath the car look horrible, makes the cars look floaty. Also the shadows from frontlights at night are really low res. Cars also have visible LOD pop in GT7.

  • @gzaos
    @gzaos 5 місяців тому +36

    gt7 textures and lighting are gorgeous

  • @SwiftOutlawful
    @SwiftOutlawful 5 місяців тому

    That transition to the spa at night section was 🔥 love seeing racing game content from DF

  • @DieselGuy1973
    @DieselGuy1973 5 місяців тому

    John: Its videos like this that make happy that I joined the DF Patreon to support the team...THANK YOU for all your HARD its truly appreciated