Forza Horizon 5: Every Xbox Version Tested - Xbox Series S/X vs Xbox One S/X!
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2021
- Forza Horizon 5 makes a grand statement, delivering a level of fidelity worth of next generation console hardware. And yet Playground Games also has this game running on Xbox One X and even Xbox One - how?! Rich visited Playground for some answers, then put together this extensive cross-platform comparison. Every version and every mode tested - six different rendition of Forza Horizon 5 in total!
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I'm just lost for words at how well this game is optimised and still manages to be good looking on the previous generation. Playground games are truly magnificent
Just goes to show how little they did for the series x , this is a last gen game through and through
@@TristanTheVRGamecat Seek attention elsewhere, little fella.
@@secoTheSonicFan Even Halo looks the same on all consoles with minor changes. Backwards compatibility holds back the gaming industry
Are there even any next gen games out since 2020? Every game released on all consoles look like they belong on 2013 hardware.
@@Vanessa-rg4gx No, chip shortages hold back the industry.. Bc just makes 10 years olds upset.
Playground Games are truly tech magicians, the fact that this game still looks amazing on base Xbox one is an achievement in of itself
All the other Forza games look amazing on the base Xbox One too. Maybe the console isn't so underpowered as we were made to believe!?
@@jcn639 Dude. Start saving your cash now for the upgrade to Series X. By the time they're in 'normal' stock you'll have saved enough money, plus the trade in of your Xbox one, to buy the flagship Series X. It's all good! Keep gaming on the One till you're able to make the jump to the 'next-gen'.
Playground is for Xbox what Insomniac is for PlayStation as far as tech showcases
Just goes to show how little they actually did for the series x this is a last gen game through and through , no excuse not to have ray tracing......
@Michael Playground > Insomniac.
No question.
Yeah, it's pretty insane how they managed to make sure it's running flawlessly on every supported console.
This should be a PC-focused channel FCS, i am getting sick of these endless boring console analysis.
@@tombradyshow1222 I have seen footage of people running it with high fps and high resolutions.
It seems to work fine when it works, and there is no such thing as PC holding up, as every pc is different.
High end pc's usually have no trouble at all running even badly optimized games.
But seen Horizon runs fine on ancient xbox one at 30 fps, surely it will run well on many different pc's.
The crashing is just a cause of incompetent testing and/or using the customer as quality control folk.
@@tombradyshow1222 The Series X is good for a console but hasn't got a patch on PC, it's not surprising the games a mess on PC the previous games have been aswell, unoptimized garbage with loads of issues.
@@oropher1234 Then dont watch the console reviews, the site is built around your preferences
FH5 is a bit choppy on base xbox one
This is looking really good. I’m consistently impressed by the big name racing games each generation and Microsoft has not disappointed me this time. I don’t even particularly like racing, but on easy settings FH4 has been easy on the eyes and very relaxing.
I suck at racing games too and the Horizon series is the best thing to ever happen in the genre, IMO !
I had to get a wheel too like them more tbh
@@TheFirestriker101 I actually love having peripherals for stuff. Having the right controller makes any game better, IMO. You have suggestions for one?
Wow all things considered the level of graphics and performance they managed to squeeze out of last gen is seriously impressive! As I said in the last video, FH5 is a hugely impressive technical achievement and I wish it was possible for all games to be so highly optimized. That’s why developers like Playground games and ID software need to be celebrated.
Just goes to show how little they actually did for the series x this is a last gen game through and through , no excuse not to have ray tracing......
@@TristanTheVRGamecat Add Raytracing onto this amount of detail and the console explodes.
@@TristanTheVRGamecat I'm sure I've just read this comment already on this same video🤣 are you copying and pasting, Troll
@@TristanTheVRGamecat Can you create original thoughts, or do you have to copy/paste comments under every thread to feel relevant? Dont you have homework youre supposed to be doing?
@@TristanTheVRGamecat raytracing is great for small and detailed enviroments, resident evil for example
It has a 1973 AMC Gremlin in it. This makes it the greatest racing game ever created. Period. And it spins out just as my Mom’s did in the 70s until we put cinder blocks in the back to weight it down a bit. Beautiful attention to detail right down to the gas cap. A masterpiece.
Yours is the best take on this game I’ve seen yet. Glad it had your mom’s Gremlin man!
True... My Dad had a Gremlin for a while.. or the football helmet.. at least that what I used to call it...
Xbox is so lucky to have Playground games. Truly one the best developers in the industry.
Sound salty lol
And turn 10. Im more a Motorsport Fan but i will play fh5.
And these guys are the ones making Fable. I cannot WAIT to see what the way do.
holy shit i forgot about this..... thanks for the reminder :)
Microsoft needs to do a case study on Playground games and how they managed to pull this off, not only from a technical perspective but also a business/management perspective. The last studio that tried to pull off something this massive across multiple generations of hardware was CDPR and we all saw how that went.
I'm still waiting for a playable version of cp2077. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@matjakobs8612 You're gonna have to wait for IRL 2077 then
Two totally different games. You cant compare them
the crew 2 already achive this ı think bcouse game like all usa much bigger than forza horizons maps and have plane boat and car not just car game. citty is not deatil like microsoft flight sim but if you fly over new york on crew 2 its still good. its like game combne forza horizons and flight sim with all usa. much better technical achivemen if you ask me. seriusly ı play 3 hour race even on crew 2 even they stupid to do. biggest race on horzions took best 30 min maybe. 3hours race and not tour you going miami to vegas to new york etc all around country.
Gears 5 (especially Hivebuster) is another great example of game scaling. Not quite as impressive on Series, but it’s still incredible how good it looks on all consoles.
CDPR, this is how you release a game on multiple generations…
Issue is Cyberpunk tried to do so much it never should've been released on last gen in the 1st place
They didn't. We still don't have a ps5/series version yet.
@@MultiKool13 they did too little actually. Most of their development time and money was spent on building a huge fake gameplay demo for the press, then hiring Keanu and rewriting the entire script around Keanu then rebuilding the entire game around Keanu Reeves and again, more advertisement. The developers who complained about not building a real game were silenced or fired. Most of the development cycle was spent literally not building the game they set out to build in the first place. It was absolutely possible on last gen. That entire excuse is no more than that. An excuse to save face so they don't have to admit the suits ruined the whole game because in this situation, the lowest on the pole fall under the bus. Nobody in a suit is going to get blamed, instead, they blame the lowly developers for "setting their sights too high" and "wanting to do too much" then the actual people who really fucked up get a free pass.
The scalability of this game engine is amazing, somehow it still holds up on the base Xbox One, while scaling to look beautiful on a SeriesX, very excited for the PC video.
Incredible indeed. Think the series x in quality mode runs at max or very close to max pc settings with a high end pc hitting 60fps instead of 30fps I suspect. Shame it doesn’t scale much higher for those 3080 owners
@Michael 😂 ☠️
@@neilranson4185 no need for high end PC to do 4k60 ( actual 4k not dynamic like the series x with reduced settings ) with a 3060ti-3060-2060s-2070s-5700xt-6600xt-1080ti-6700xt you can do 4k60.
@@neilranson4185 What do you mean it doesn’t scale for 3080 owners? You do realize that PC gaming is 120+ fps, right?
@@otti3397 4k 60fps at max settings will need around a high end pc I suspect what with videos from nx gamer and others showing a 2070/2070 super some way off 60fps everything maxed out. playground the developer recommends a rtx 3080.
Cyberpunk: It's not possible to have your game run perfectly over all consoles. The last gens are too old
Forza 5: Hold my beer
Come on it's not the same game at all...
@@MadX8 its not, but its still an open world, with (way more complex) driving and stunning graphics. Cyberpunk is just unoptimized at its core
@@MadX8 you're right it is a different type of game, but red dead redemption 2 says hello cyberpunk
@@metallicafan416 RDR2 is also not comparable. He fact that its an open world Game doesnt mean they work the same way. Density alone is multiple times higher in Cyberpunk
Exactly. Some can Do what others cant Do.
I don't think I've seen a crossgen game that scales so well.
Gears 5? Not exactly the same, I guess.
You need to look at more games then
@@stephonhines6554 like?..
@@stephonhines6554 most cross gen games never scale this well
Same here. Wondering about Halo Infinite, if 343 manages to deliver the same quality. Maybe Sony manages to impress us with Horizon Forbidden West and God Of War Ragnarok, but the bar is raised EXTREMELY high now.
I’ve always lauded Playground Games/Turn 10 on their skill at optimising games since the launch of Forza Horizon 4. You could run that game absolutely maxed out on a mobile Max-Q 1060 and even lower hardware by bumping down some of the settings. It was insane to me how well optimised that game was when I was used to PC ports being absolutely terrible and having to spend an hour tinkering with settings to make them workable.
The performance of FH5 on last gen consoles only takes my appreciation of their great optimisation even further than it already was. Love this level of focus on optimisation cos it really makes a ton of difference
Only since FH4? That's not that long really, given how many years they've been producing Forza games.
The optimisation for FH5 on PC is even better than FH4. I can play FH5 at higher settings than in FH4 and it's so smooth in-game. Except for motion blur (of course) and upping AA, I haven't needed to touch the graphic settings from their recommended ultra setup, with my PC being slightly above recommended.
Rich, you guys are always incredible at what you do but this review went above and beyond anything I think you’ve ever done. The detail at which you went into on every version was mind blowing. I am a tech dude and love to hear people dig in technically to hardware and software. So I appreciate you doing that and love this review. Thank you so much for what you do, you don’t know how greatly appreciated it is… from not only me, but I’m sure everybody. Keep up the great work.
totally agree, I got 15 mins in and just said to myself, I love DF. They just care so much and highlight how amazing the games industry is, reiterating why we all love this medium and why we come here to watch these incredible videos every time
Agreed!
It's this kind of content video games deserve on a technical level. Protect DF at all costs.
Why even tell them, they never respond back to people, I don't like that
@@godsson7779 I understand how you feel. But you have to understand it from their point to. When you have 1,000,000+ followers, it’s tough to keep up with it all. I’m sure they would love to respond back to people, but they would have to hire somebody full-time just to do that. I totally understand where you’re coming from, but I totally understand where they are also. I’m not defending them, as I’m sure again that they would love to respond to everybody. There comes a point with every UA-camrs channel when it becomes a bit more than they can handle when it comes to replies. I’m sure every UA-camr wants to keep contact with everybody who supports their channel. But, just like people in Hollywood, it’s impossible to do so and still have time for yourself. It takes a lot of time to make these videos. The editing and everything it takes to produce one of these takes up to a dozen hours or more depending on how long the video is. It’s a video as a half hour long, with all of the edits and music and everything else you do… It truly can take four more hours to not only edit and create the video, but also upload it.
I look at it as, if they see the replies… They see them and they can react or not. But even if they read it and don’t reply, at least maybe I made them smile knowing that one of the many people love what they do. I have been an entertainer since I was five years old and I can tell you between actually entertaining, then promoting, advertising, getting sponsors, website, Twitter, UA-cam and everything in between… It’s not easy and it’s very time consuming. You could easily spend every hour of every day keeping up with it. Which is why a lot of these guys hire people specifically to do so. It’s why PR companies can be so incredible four anyone in any form of entertainment. Because they take care of all of that and give you time alone. It’s one thing to do what you do and make the money, but because of the consumption of your time… It leads a lot of entertainers and UA-camrs little time for themselves. All of it is more of a full-time job than many people realize.
Again, I understand where you’re coming from, but knowing what I know and doing what I do… I totally understand why it can’t be possible for them and anybody else in entertainment to keep up. As you would never have any time to essentially enjoy the fruits of your labor.
It's just further proof the base 2013 hardware (Xbox One and also PS4) is extremely competent and can be used to make very impressive visuals and games. Stuff like Forza Horizon 5 here is evidence of that, but also games like Red Dead 2, Gears 4 (on the base Xbox) or Days Gone and Last of Us Part 2 (on the base PS4).
There's no excuse for other developers when they release visual eyesores on those consoles, often citing "older tech" as the reason "why" their games run terribly and look awful.
its sh1t hardware, the really amazing thing here is the effort of the developers
nah playground are just technical wizards.
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe Correct this isn't something that many studios could pull off to have 6 different game modes across 4 Xbox consoles and have each of them be nearly 99% locked in fps is wizardry but if using freesync you'll never notice any issues at all. Honestly they truly are Microsoft's best studio along with The Coalition at pushing the Xbox graphically.
@@ZeitGeist_TV that's why I'm so excited for fable reboot. Easily my most hyped upcoming game. I know that graphically it's going to look absolutely INSANE and will be a showcase for what the series S and X can really do. Playground are gonna knock it out of the park.
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe I know we won't get a Fable preview this Sunday but I'm still looking forward to this showcase and then coming back to watch Digital Foundry and their take on things.
See everyone Sunday...
I was so worried this would be a cyberpunk situation when they kept refusing to show the Xbox One version of the game; I’m so happy that I was wrong and thank you for doing this tech analysis!
Cyberpunk was a mess from the beginning
@@jasontaylor6412 game barely competing with GTA 3
FH5 uses the same game engine as 4, which looks good on last gen. Because of that I wasn't worried about cyberpunk level of a downgrade
@@secoTheSonicFan Cyberpunk prioritized nothing. PC moves the game decently if anything by brute force. also fully ridden of bugs on any platform.
@@secoTheSonicFan yet not work on game computers at least %75 of them.
FH5 just looks breathtaking on the Series X|S, I just cannot wait to see what Playground can do with this engine on the next Fable.
this isn't even the fable engine. this game is using the old forza horizon 4 engine designed for last gen if i recall correctly and it still looks absolutely amazing. the fable engine is the same engine as the upcoming forza motorsport 8 which has been built from the ground up for next gen which is why FM8 and fable are both next gen exclusives. it's going to look even more mindblowing than you expect
@@supermadkid yep your right
@@supermadkid
Wrong, it's using the Forzatech engine. Do your homework.
@@rad6666 you’re the one that’s wrong. FH5 is on the old version of the engine. FM8 and Fable are both on the 9th Gen-only upgraded version of the engine. They might have started in the same spot, but they’re very different in implementation at this point.
They told the next Forza Will have a New engine, they put the engine to the limit.
This deserves GOTY, not just because of how good the game is but technically impressive it is. Its art, scaleable art.
I don't ever think a racing game deserves GOTY personally but I agree it's a technical beautiful game
@@malazan6004 so what deserves GOTY? A shooting game?
A game at the level of 2005's "NFS Most Wanted" can achieve GOTY, with a story as solid as what we got back then, solid gameplay and graphics, it should be possible
@@D4YT0N4 a game that has unique gameplay features, a unique soundtrack and more than just running on the hardware it was made to run.
Preferably with a plot that has weight within the gameplay loop, great acting and non standard plot points.
You see how a racing game doesn't have half of these, racing games are for enthusiasts of hardware and focused on performance, which is valid and goty worth if the tech is beyond anything seen before, but we have seen this before.
I applaud the devs but they were literally just doing the work they were paid for.
@@D4YT0N4 it takes two is really worthy of GOTY to me
Thank you so much for keeping us "Last Gen Losers" in mind for these videos! Im still loving my One X and PS4 Pro!!
If you play it on PS4/One youre not a loser, you are very smart.
Same game, a little less grass, 500$ saved.
Oh well...this isnt a PS4 game anyway, but the concept is clear.
@@andreatoppi5627 And half the framerate. That alone is reason to upgrade for me personally.
@@kebbinator This may sound ridiculous but I'm being genuine. I've played it for about 10 or so hours now. Even on Series X the 30FPS mode despite looking amazing in screenshots feels like an actual downgrade compared to Forza Horizon 4 on Series X because of the framerate alone. Things at fast speeds being too blurry to appreciate is off-putting, and when I spin the camera it makes me feel ill lol. I have to play it at 60 and even with lower foliage and a couple of other lower settings I swear it looks better, not just performance but actual visuals too. I don't see much reason to play in quality mode on the Series X, although I'd love for them to consider a 120hz 4K40 like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart did.
At the end of the day it's a racing game, and if people can justify the bricks on a building being more 3D in quality mode when you inspect up close versus how it looks and feels during a race, it feels as if their priorities are backwards.
Got the exact same setup, the One X is still a total powerhouse
I am using an Xbox One X with the drive replaced with an SSD. In this configuration, I don't see any reason to change to the Xbox Series S. The performance and loading speed, thanks to the SSD, is very similar plus I have an optical drive. Only Xbox Series X may be an option, but that's after changing the TV to at least 77 inches.
Am I right in remembering that the new Fable is being made in this engine as well? If I'm right and FH5 scales and looks this amazing, I think playground games is one of the best developers at this time. I can't wait to play this and hate that I can't yet.
I'm hoping Fable is not cross-gen and is done using a new engine.
@@statesman6379 fable is next gen only it’s been confirmed already
Fable will be on the Forza Motorsport 8 engine I think or the scaled up version of this engine.
Yes, a custom version of the new forzatech revisited for rpg purposes
Really interested to see how fable is going to be. This is a test for the studio to go from great to possibly the best studio Xbox has.
I’m sadly still one the 2013 Xbox one after all these years and to my surprise the game doesn’t look bad. I expected major downgrades and was amazed that the game still looked good. They did an amazing job
i honestly cant tell the difference in thiiss video
@@yoyo21926 Nah i was wrong it looks a lot better on the 9th gen consoles.
They definitely squeezed every bit of performance out of the Xbox One/One X.
This is just a technical masterpiece
Best looking game ever made for sure
@@alexandrecl4331 I can't imagine how fable will look and run, really can't wait
^ Might be the best looking game of the generation, well, at least until the Forza Horizon next gen only game.
@@alexandrecl4331 There is Red Dead Redemption 2 modded with Ray Tracing which is probably the best looking video game I have ever seen. That definitely looks far beyond the current time, but yes, it's modded, not official. For a unmodded game, this is probably the best we have and it's funny that they made it look this good without even touching Ray Tracing.
Achieving such fidelity without even touching Ray Tracing would have been an insane amount of work since faking lighting is far more difficult than letting ray tracing do that for you. These guys are masters of their craft. Wow moment.
@Michael hell yes yes itss the best looking game
Cyberpunk 2077 (2020): You can't expect a 2013 console to run a 2020 game.
Forza Horizon 5 (2021): Hold my wheel.
Playground games and turn 10 are probably the best optimization developers ever lol
@@modernyin6275 Yep but don't forget id-Soft
THIS is how you make a game. $60 for last-gen and this gen (with dual entitlement). DLC coming, but a MASSIVE amount of content just in the base game. Rock solid performance. And not a buggy mess! Every game should launch this way!
The game is buggy and a few annoying thing but will soon be patched out, the bugs barley affect gameplay only online right now but still amazing
@pencil You're misunderstanding and/or misrepresenting what I said. I didn't say it was bug-free. Almost nothing this large and ambitious could be absolutely bug-free I said it's not a buggy mess. A buggy mess at launch is something like Cyberpunk 2077, or almost anything with "Fallout" in the title. :P
@pencil I played it on my series x not know what the fckk you're going on about but I haven't experienced any issues....
@pencil So, what's the big problems with the PC version? Just played it for an hour or so to compare it to my Series X, and the only difference was the graphics being less beautiful because my PC is a bit older. There were no technical issues at all. And apart from the form of delivery, the Steam and Store versions are technically identical.
@@DON666 I've played the game on PC as well and so far I've only seen two issues. The first one is where the game sometimes crashes when switching between body kits. This happened two times within 10 minutes when I was browsing through all the customization options for the RX7. The other issue is where the ground texture turns into a flat colored mush on mid to far range terrain despite the foliage being rendered just fine when I used Ultra environment settings. Maybe it's because the game was using up all the VRAM so it decided to drop the texture quality, but it did so without telling me I was low on VRAM (which it did on Extreme settings). Turning down the environment quality to High solves the problem and the LOD in the distance is much better.
I can confirm that running on One X off an SSD makes a HUGE difference
glad i got my one x with a 1tb ssd
Can you give us some numbers - how fast does it load the intro and other moments? I have both - internal HDD and external SSD.
@@Thebrosephone Mmm...loading times in every shape and form?
@@ryutenmen well I don’t have a stop watch , I can confirm that the load times are very acceptable. On One X that is
@@Thebrosephone loading times are alot faster
I can’t wait to see what playground games can do when they don’t have to put so much time and resources into worrying about scalability on the last gen consoles
I hope microsoft gives them all the money they need and more
Since games are designed in such a way that you start with the best graphics and then adjust them down, til you hit your FPS target, they wouldn't have delivered any different result at this time. It's a myth that prior generations hold back newer ones. It's just not how it works. Otherwise you would have to say, the Switch is holding back literally all newer systems - which it quite obviously does not.
@@lokozar sorry to say my guy but there are undoubtedly going to be some gameplay mechanics that the older gen hardware is simply not capable of performing well enough to play on those systems
@@lokozar not to mention the fact that they have to spend plenty of time to make sure the game is scaled well enough to play on those older consoles, when that time and resources could have been used instead to improve upon the most enhanced version of the game. There are plenty of reasons why not having to worry about older gen consoles can lead to a better overall game
That's why I'm excited for fable
Achievement Unlocked [1000G] : Optimized a game to its maximum while targetting the least powerful hardware you have access to.
As good as this game looks, it’s barely scratching the surface of what the Xbox Series X can do. The next Forza Horizon game is going to be such a monster of a leap in visuals since it will be built from the ground up on Series S/X hardware.
Yeah it will use a new forza tech engine also
@WWE , The theory is that the whole reason it's taking so long is so it'll be outside of microsoft's promised window for crossgen. Kinda bullshit since most people still can't get their hands on a Series console, but oh well.
Yeah it'll be interesting to see how stuff fares at the end of the generation.
The jump from Horizon 2 in 2014 and Horizon 5 in 2021 both on the stock XB1 is very impressive.
@@Deleted_Alt and by that time people will be able to easily get one...seems like a pointless complaint
except it will never happen because xbox will stick with Xbox one for years to come
I'm so famished...I keep repeating, "You should make a video on Psychonauts 2"...but it keeps falling on deaf ears. I don't know how much longer I can hold out...water...I need water...
Amazing work from you guys at DF! Thank you! That look at the multi-system-setup at Playground was very interesting to see!
It just hit me again how much work you put into getting this information out to us, the viewers. Thank you everyone at Digital Foundry for your continual coverage of all these titles, and your excellent ability to relay that complicated information in a beautiful presentation on a daily basis.
5:04: Just looking at the developer from Playground telling Rich about FH5, and not just taking it all in-which would be enough for many of us; we'd go, "That's neat," then move on-the peoples at Digital Foundry have the desire to tell us about what they've gleaned. Thank you, again.
Really impressed with the Series S version (It's a 299$ system remember). It looks phenomenal for the price and only the Series X version (And PC of course) looks slightly better but for a much higher price. Series S owners, let's celebrate
Yeah. To my eye, One X is much better than One S, and Series S is another big jump up (load times and 60 FPS), but the jump to Series X/PC is comparable smaller. The longer this gen wears on, the happier I am to have gone with the most efficient system (Series S) rather than the most powerful option (Series X).
It looks clearly better on XSX.
Series S sometimes looks worse than Xbox One X.
Lol, you bought one of those?
@@ScrapKing73 why do you care about efficiency? It’s the difference between $10 and $15 a year. COPE
@@nexxusty Many people did, and they generally like it
It's crazy how this game can run on all Xbox One systems
Normal, it's FH4 with a reskin basically.
@Lov Mir What PS4 is pushing this level of graphics is what I’d like to know?
@@yoyo-nf1ww Well its not watch the video. Improved reflections, jungle density, incredible storms, great texture improvements and so on.
@@infiniteblaz3416 The Last Of Us 2, Gran Turismo Sport, Ghost Of Tsushima, Uncharted 4, Spider Man, Driveclub, God Of War, The Order 1886
Should I name more? Forza Horizon 5 is pretty, yes. But it’s nothing too special. Compared to Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart it’s pretty average actually.
@@cryptog7175 none of those i've played look better than forza and i've played nearly all of those except order 1886
Meanwhile some weirdos are pretending that Series S is holding back Series X ... Probably the same that were sure that Ratchet & Clank was only possible thanks to the magical ssd of PS5.
THANK YOU Digital Foundry for those priceless analysis !
Agreed about the SSD part Psychonauts 2 proved that levels within levels can be done without magical SSDs
Yup, explaining to console fanboys that the ssd wasn't just created is tough lately. They are all suddenly tech experts that live and die on df videos
@@johnbishop2536 The graphics quality of Psychonauts 2 has absolutely nothing to do with Ratchet. Ratchet is vastly better looking, and it could not be made on PS4 pro.
@@kostasbousbouras2654 several devs have said it could be done without the ssd.
when rachet and clack out pc you will see it work on hdd too. id defintly work on base ps4 30fps maybe 900p mostly but it work. who ever says some game only work on ssd lying. some next gen games maybe hit hardly with hdd bust they still open and plays 30 fps even sometimes game crash maybe or drop very bad. but it will open on hdd. saying only open on ssd saying like ssd is making graphics like gpu. its very wrong to say this. it almost saying dvd drive cant read cd stupidty.
I'm a PlayStation fan and this game looks absolutely phenomenal and extremely enjoyable. Xbox users will have a great time with it.
I really hope this sells tons, and loads of Xbox consoles as well. Microsoft is acting the right and fair way this generation with their fans. Sony needs to decrease the greediness and start to respect and hear their players again.
This is a chad comment. Generation is gonna great for both
@Michael not with the madness of paid next-gen upgrades.
Not with the paid upgrade of the last two Uncharted games.
Not with the meh backwards-compatibility of PS5.
Just some examples.
@Michael 😶
@@peterGchaves "meh-backwards" compat? Please explain. . .
You are not a ps fan , but an undercover Xbox troll . Ps is a category on its own , it’s no even in competition with Xbox anymore in consoles . Ps already is outselling the Xbox 3 to 1
You guys should do a DF Retro on DiRT2(also known as "Colin McRae: Dirt 2"), the game is over 10 years old, and still manages to look stunning!
Yup. Still remember the croatia track, looked sooo good.
ı dont know you play nfs 2015. some pictures look berrer than fozas bcouse all rainy and night. forza horizon or forza motor sports pictures look better but they use motion blur focus on going car and picture mode overaact this. if you just stop car without using picture mode and compare nfs 2015 the nfs 2015 look bettter much closer to real image.
That was one of the mind-blowing moments of my 20 year gaming experience.
Best rally game ever.. I think.
Dirt 2.0 is not 10 year old?
I’ve got the original Colin McRae rally 2.0 on pc from 1999
But your tight dirt 2.0 is magnificent
The next-gen version is really amazing, but I find it even more surprising that they were able to run this game at 1080p on the old Xbox One, I can't even remember the last time I saw a game hit 1080p on this console, it's amazing that they were able to run it. I play this well on 8-year-old hardware with a Jaguar CPU and DDR3 RAM, I'm surprised what developers can do with such old hardware.
The Xbox One X version is also surprising, I didn't expect to see this game hitting 4K on it (which is even more impressive since even the Xbox Series S version doesn't even come in that resolution) but I still think it would be interesting to have a 1080p mode. at 60fp.
It's probably too hard to pull of 60fps on jag cpu. Can only imagine the optimizations needed to make it work on FH4.
Even DF thought it wasn't possible in FH3, yet they pulled it of in FH4.
@@vandammage1747 Yeah it probably was cpu limited, because the gpu is not that terrible on one x. I don't think it's like some people said above that it was marketing to make Series consoles look more impressive and necessary.
Thank you for such a great comparison between all the machines, your editors are amazing
This is maybe your best graphical comparison to date, so much information and you swapped between the two contrasting images the perfect amount to demonstrate the differences. Great work!
I don't play on consoles, but it's so fascinating to see the differences between versions. Astonishing what PG achieved here with this game between all the platforms. Eager to see PC version analysis from Alex.
Looks immense on series X and I a little better on a 3090. Unfortunately my g923 racing wheel doesn’t work on PC ( known bug)
@@OG_Daz game work on og xbox one for many gamers not noticable diffrences on race. og xbox one sometiemes lesser than 100dolar with game pad. with 3090 pc prize you can make forza horizon xbox one festival with maybe 30 og xbox one maybe even 50 to depending 3090 scalper prize lol . when think likle crazy espicaly for minor changes on race. you can built the fucking festival. and dont forget blueray version og xbox one too lol. pc not even have blue ray on cases for that money. its abuslty stupid as fuck when thinking. in this only pc adavatage is you can play the game xbox 360 game pad too.
Seeing this running on an Xbox One is almost more impressive than seeing it running on Series X!
Agreed. Too often we see developpers turning down resolutions, framerates and even LOD on "next gen" consoles.
If this game can run on Xbox One, how can a developper say that their came can't run on base PS4? Even if they have to dynamically lower resolution up to 1280*1080, theres hould be enough power.
i never thought, that i could be that interested in game presentation technicalities. The way you compare the consols is just awesome!
Big shout out to the DF team, both the FH5 breakdowns have been amazing, some of my favorite DF work, looking forward to Alex’s analysis on the PC versions. Well done DF!
Getting a game to run this good and look this good on 2013 console hardware is just bonkers! Playground have just set the gold standard for scalability across platforms, and I can't wait to see what those wizards do for next-gen Fable. Great video DF, loving the in-depth FH5 coverage.
1:22 look at that spare tire on the one s
One of the most impressively detailed DF videos I have seen. Great job Richard and rest of the DF team!
This video is just astoundingly well done! Research and presentation and explanations provided are extremely clear and useful. Was almost more blown away by this video than I am by the game. Fantastic work!
Absolutely impressive! Playground Games and Turn10 really know how to develop and optimize a game
I would've loved the performance mode on the Series X to use the same textures and lod detail as the quality mode, but at 1440p and not 2160p with visuals akin the One X. Still a great visual showcase
There must be a reason why that mode is not available. It is really weird actually that we do not have one on series x
Count me in.
100% this
1440p 60 fps quality mode would be the sweet spot IMO
I tried the 30fps quality mode but hated the motion blur and went back to 60fps performance mode pretty quick. The texture pop in is a bit distracting, but soon got used to it. The 30fps on FH4 was much better for me without the exessive blur
Game is amazing btw, well deserving of all the 10 out of 10s
Yea Id like a resolution or quality toggle as well just cause im not on a 4k tv.
Lod pop in wouldnt be entirely fixed due to that often being cpu/streaming limited but it would be improved im sure
The Series S seems to handle 1440p at 30 fps, so I'd assume the Series X with a GPU 3× stronger than the Series S should have no problem to do the same at 60fps (with DRS on). I don't think the CPU Speeds are the bottleneck here, because they are quite powerful on all new gen consoles. Maybe a future patch will see some adjustments.
I played on extreme at 1440p on my 3080, Ryzen 9 laptop, hitting 70-90 fps and I really enjoyed the lod better there, even with the resolution drop from 4K to 1440p
Until a week ago, when I finally picked up a Series X, I was playing Horizon 5 on a One X with an SSD and loved it. Such a gorgeous game no matter what hardware you're running it on
Wow! Great comparison and analysis Mr. Leadbetter! It's obviously the quality we come to expect from DF but the way this one was delivered is top notch! It was fun to see the different tiers and level of differences.
What they've done with this is absolutely remarkable, I've never thought the base One can deliver such graphical fidelity, this is literally GTA 5 on Xbox 360 all over again, if not even better.
GTA 5 ran like ass on old consoles , don’t think that was a good comparison lmao
@@chrisbrown113096 But those were much worse even than One and remember that was a fully open-world game, everyone was still blown away how much could be squeezed in such hardware even with those framerates.
This is FIGURATIVELY GTA 5 on Xbox 360 all over again, if not even better. Learn the fucking difference.
@@UmVtCgchill out, it’s not that serious
@@chrisbrown113096 Even though the Colonel is correct, let the sad little human have their moment. Clearly they have nothing else to give their life meaning. ;-)
I'm still on xbox one x and was getting series x envy before the game released but I really had nothing to worry about, the game looks phenomenal and I really don't miss the 60fps mode right now. I can see why they left it off, mainly down to marketing and not the hardware in my opinion. It plays and looks incredible and can only imagine what it must look like on a series x.
Load times don't even bother me as I'm used to FH4 load times. I'm looking forward to the day I get a series x though, and watch this game become even more amazing. Truly the best current gen game that can wear that tag proudly, and not just because of the way it looks. Im pretty sure it must be pushing my one x to the max though 😆
Agree with you about the framerate. I'd say one x could pull off 60fps.
At first I was disappointed that the one x at least didn’t have a 60fps option with the base consoles graphical preset, but after seeing just how good it still looks on there in 4K, I don’t know if I’d even choose a performance mode if they decided to patch one in later (unlikely) it just looks so good, and I normally prioritise frame rate over everything.
I'm on series s can't wait for forza 5 to drop on gamepass.
@@MJ_Gray23 totally agree, I think I'd stick with the Quality mode if a performance mode was added.
100% agree. Since getting a Series X is very difficult, a USB SSD could dramatically reduce load times if you want to purchase one for your One X. On Forza Horizon 4, my SSD cut the load times by more than 50%.
LOVE seeing these differences! Nice video!
such an informative video! thank u Rich
Awesome video by "el jefe" LOL. Can't wait to play it.
Cool game. I really can't wait for Turn 10, too bring out Forza Motorsport 8. Because that's just for this Gen & PC only. Interesting. 👍🏻
I'm pretty sure it's coming out on PS4.
@@GhostySkate. Yeah! You could be right?.....But you're NOT! lol 🤣 😆
@@JamesLee-ph9go my bad I thought you meant gran turismo 7 I am a dumbass lol.
Motorsport is getting a new game engine that I think I read will be used on Forza Horizon 6 in the future
@@metallicafan416 I believe turn 10 are in the process of upgrading the current forza tech engine (which horizon 5 is using which is the same as the horizon 4 on) to include ray tracing etc,
The video itself has amazing detail, congrats DF in another terrific presentation.
Awesome content. Thanks guys!
Playground games really should add a third Graphics option for a1440-1800p 60 fps Quality mode to the Xbox Series X version in my opinion, rather than cutting back the visuals to maintain a 4K resolution in the existing Performance mode. I personally think a small resolution drop would be far less noticeable than the current pop in that you see in the Performance mode.
Thankfully, this isn't an issue on the PC which appears to be the definitive version if you want the best visuals *and* the best performance but that shouldn't surprise anyone. It's still awesome on the consoles - I also have the game for my Xbox One X - but the PC offers so much more, including the option to play at 60 fps to whatever framerate your monitor supports.
Exactly. Many ppl prefer better graphics over 4K resolution. Everyone praising devs but its insane they forget about choice... On XOneX there also could be 60fps mode tbh
I agree. They should add something like this, similar to how Ratchet and Clank and Spiderman Miles Morales added in PS5 where the game runs at full quality at 1440p 60fps.
Playground games had to work on 6 different versions of game, so it's possible that they could not find time to add two more versions.
I agree. I hope digital foundry or the developers see these comments
Next time you see an unoptimized third party title that doesn't come close to this in graphical fidelity juddering along, remember this is what the hardware in Series X is capable of in the hands of devs who care.
Absolutely awesome video Rich! Thank you for this, can't wait to race in this game on the SeriesX....and I think you have sold me to stay in the "quality mode" 👍👌 I can't wait to see what Playground games comes up with on the new Fable!!
I love DF so much, I appreciate you guys more than I can say
This is truly amazing.... And it's crazy how beautiful this game looks on the series S....it's actually the most impressive thing, especially for the price
I love my series S but still can't wait to get an X once it's available
I am actually going to choose 30fps instead of 60fps… I really wanna see this game on its best form. Never thought I would choose graphics over performance on a racing game. Thank you for this video!
I feel the same
I want to play the quality mode so bad but it hurts my eyes lol the 60 fps flows so smoothly, especially when turning the camera to the side while driving. In my personal opinion, 60 fps is better but I don’t knock anyone for choosing the better graphics.
@@AMoistBum I mean, it's the flip of a switch. So, no reason not to try both and see which is better suited for each individual. I agree with you though just based on watching the videos. After playing on Series X the past year, going back to 30 fps is just hard on the eyes.
I tried the Quality mode but it just feels choppy compared to the Performance mode. Performance mode still looks amazing, but I would prefer a 60FPS mode with the same graphical fidelity as the Quality mode but at a lower resolution.
@@y_auc60seb20 Yeah that has been something I've wanted on quite a few games already. I have 4k in the living room but the xbox is almost always in the bedroom on a 1080p tv that I'm not replacing until next year at the earliest. It works fine and looks good at 46", so it's just wasteful to replace it. A full quality 1080p 60 fps mode would be perfect. But having any options is still an upgrade from previous generations, so at least they're moving in the right direction.
Excellent analysis far beyond my knowledge 😁
Will rewatch this now on the big tv!
As always, an amazing work from you guys, and wow! congrats Playground games, absolutely nailed it! again with this one
What and awesome job, what an exciting video. And thank you for devs, not letting the One X behind. This is Art.
I have nothing but respect for Playground Games for making such efforts to push the limits and optimize their games and to not rush to release them in an incomplete state, especially in todays world where it pretty much became the norm to release a game each year even at the cost of quality, innovation, and buggines. It probably has to do with the publisher Xbox as well but idk.
Bring on Alex and the PC analysis! Thank you Richard! I can’t wait to play this on PC next week.
Amazing video, very impressive tech. Good work DF team and Playground games.
This game is jaw dropping. Playing on a series X on an OLED TV.
What a technical masterpiece. The true flagship Xbox game.
Thanks for your work great video
I love the work that DF puts in their videos!
Congratulations!!! To Playground Games for making this beautiful game ✅ it seems they knocked it out the park w/ this, across all Gen's. One thing that really Stood out to me is the amazing texture quality of the rocks, building's etc. I'm not big on racing games but this is one I really want to get my hands on, and give a go 💪🏼
When the game is moving fast enough, the generational differences between One S and the Series X Quality modes fall away disturbingly quickly!
To all the ID Softwares, Insomniacs, Infinity Wards, Playgrounds of the world, we see y'all. Keep going😍
Yep, gotta' love these developers with absolute technical wizards on the team.
No body does overviews like Digital Foundry. This is an impressively detailed video.
Awesome video! This eases a lot of my worries since I only have the One S. Great work!
I think I'm going to buy an X Box Series X solely for this game! It looks that good!
And if you get Gamepass alongside side it, you can play the game for a fraction of the price. That's how I played through it the first time (although I was on One S), and it was incredible
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1.4 TFLOP GCN vs 12 TFLOP RDNA2
Jaguar vs Ryzen
8GB DDR3 vs 16GB DDR6
And yet they managed to make the two look somewhat similar. What sorcery is this?
Xbox one isn't 1.5 tflops
Xbox one is at like 1/5 of the resolution, which is one of the heavier things for a gpu.
Richard, this was an incredible video - thank you and team for the monumental effort. And, thank you Playground Games for an amazing game. I am excited to play it!
Fantastic video 👍
Oh man, hard decision on XSX...Sure Quality mode is impressive but the 30fps are just hurting my eyes, when compared to the smooth and buttery 60fps that performens mode offers...great to have those options of course, but the cut is just a bit to hard in my opinion. To me 30fps feel "not right" anymore in a racing game nowadays, especially on a next gen system. If 60fps is somehow achievable, even if this hits resolutions and effects, I will go for it... true next gen problems, I know 😀 great game either way you experience it...a masterpiece in its own class 👏 👌 🙌 ❤
Well 30 fps is not for you, as this is the slickest 30fps you will find on console
On my oled TV 30fps are unplayable.
1080p60 at ULTRA should be possible.
Performance mode is a easy decision. 60fps makes all games look better even if the resolution takes a hit.
@@matjakobs8612 very playable, people played at varying 30 fps for years and years. Unplayable and your preferences isn't the same thing 😕
Ign gave this a 10/10 and described it as the best racing game period. So far from the vids it gives me Forza Horizon 3 vibes and environmental gives me Vietnam nostalgic flashbacks. It takes me back to my good old early college years era
Excellent video DF!! I haven't gotten my hands on a series x yet but this makes me happy knowing 5 is gonna shine on my one x in the mean time!🙂
Superb job on the breakdown. The very best analysis on the Internet. Thank you
Seeing this makes me wish for Polyphony Digital start putting in as much effort in optimizing their games like T10 and Playground do. Because ever since the PS3 era all of the GT titles have had unstable framerates, even GT Sport on a base PS4 tank quite hard when being in crowed situations in cockpit view and clear weather.
That's some serious optimization.
I am going to assume that things like Mesh shaders and sampler feedback streaming aren't in use just yet. SFS could free up more memory, especially for the Series S.
I am curious how Forza Motorsport and Fable are coming along. You won't need to be moving so fast in Fable, so that's going to be something.
Imagine what Playground can achieve with mesh shaders, SFS and machine learning. I'm surprised they didn't even use VRS.
I believe those technologies will be implemented with Forza Motorsport (8) and the big next gen overhaul of the Forzatech engine. Despite this looking amazing, it's still built upon Horizon 4 which uses Forza 7's engine.
Yes, I have high hopes for Forza Motorsport.
Amazing video!
Incredible, incredible work by PGround Games for putting the effort in fine-tuning the game for each platform and DF for this brilliant coverage.
Getting this game to run on 8 year old hardware is insane
@Lov Mir updated. 8 year old hardware :)
I would've loved an "in-between" mode at 1440p/60hz with higher detail on XSX.
Slightly lower bounds while pushing out the lods would be amazing running on a 1440p monitor
We need to hit Twitter & start pushing Xbox & Playground Games for that. It is still possible to add one if requested by enough people. That's the hard part, getting enough people to bother.
@@nonyabusiness6084 yes we need to push this!!
Brand new Patreon supporter here, DF gents! Love your work!
Thanks so much!
finally a brililant video that tells me everything I wanted to know.
Thanks so much Digital Foundry, awesome work.
I was praying for this video like you wouldn't believe xD :P
Remember when people said Series S would hold games back? Well if this is how much the last generation holds a game back i think Series S is more than fine
Forza Horizon 5 the best looking game released so far.
Great job here. Your best yet
Really really looking forward to the tech interview.