This made me remember the countless hours me, my siblings and cousins spent playing the original GT in 98-99. Can´t believe it´s more than 20 years ago now.
I love these Tech Evolution videos. We don't get them enough, but I love when they pop up. I like that they're a bit more broadly focused on showing change over multiple games, rather than Johns approach of (usually) doing a deep dive into 1 game and it's ports. It gives the show a different flavor than johns. Though I can't get enough DFretro either, keep them both coming!
@@Charles-hy6gp you're absolutely correct the PS3 was the greatest console despite being difficult to program for it ended up out selling the Xbox 360 by the end of the Seventh Generation because of all the exclusive games you could get with it it was up to Sony to showcase the power of the console cuz third-parties referred to make games look better on Xbox 360
@@unicorntomboy9736 You are joking I hope. I hate electric cars an the tesla in gt sport is awful. Plus if it don't come out for another year you got a long wait
Think it was Ridge Racer on ps1 where you would have to keep the super fast black car from passing you. I had to get a saved game from a friend, I couldnt do it.
I've been there since the beginning when I was still in high school and bought the PS1 Gran Turismo bundle with my own money. Seeing the footage of all the Gran Turismo games I've played brings back memories. Trial Mountain has always been one of my favorite tracks. I hope they ad a lot more classics like Grand Valley, Deep Forest and Midfield.
@@fcukugimmeausername I agree completely. Some but of course not all real life tracks don't translate as well into a video game meant to be fun as well as a track designed purely for a game imo. The tracks I want to see the most are Trial, Deep Forest, Seattle, Special Course 5, Tokyo, El Capitan
Wow those names bring chills! I would love to see Apricot Hill too. It's not OG like the others, but it was an original track added later in the series. Apricot Hill Reversed!
I was convinced that the reflections in GT3 were real. I remember going under into the tunnel in Trial Mountain and being amazed that it the tunnel lights were reflected onto the cars. Of course, that's not what was happening but it's amazing that we are now at that point.
@@NukeMyHouse As in they were just some well placed cube maps or whatever they used back in the day. Whereas these days, with GT7, I'd hope they're able to implement RT reflections on the tunnel lights.
They are real time reflections, but It only reflects certain parts of the track, mostly "ceiling" details, the cars don't reflect the side of the scenery. I don't remember if they reflect the road, I need to replay some GT3, it's still my favorite. And to complete, on GT5/6 the car reflects in real time but just like GT3/4 it's only selected parts.
@@Zarnubius But they are real reflections, in the sense that they actually reflect the surrounding environment in realtime. Games back then were able to re-render the scene using a second camera angle, then paste the results onto the car as a texture. (This texture could also be used as a rear-view mirror, in cockpit view.) Depending on the game engine, this was done between 15 and 60 times per second, and could skip over certain elements (cars, distant scenery, etc.) to speed up performance. It's kind of a cheap hack compared to raytracing, sure, but if done well, it can look almost the same at a glance. I believe this would be categorized as a form of planar reflection, although some games (Beetle Adventure Racing and the PS2 Need for Speed titles, IIRC) appear to further cut corners by simply copying the main view onto the texture- so the back of the car constantly shows a shrunk-down image of more or less what's on your screen, minus the car itself. Almost like a really cheesy screen space reflection. Cube maps tend to be pre-rendered textures (i.e., very fake), but the cube's textures could theoretically be updated in realtime. There was some truck driving game for Wii that rendered the environment from all sides of the truck, and then built a cube map out of all the renders. On every frame! Needless to say, it didn't run very smoothly.
It looks rough now, but for it's time, the first GT was a stunner that was unlike anything else on consoles with it's sim like elements and the way the cars moved in such a realistic way.
Fairly common effect at the time. Also had the advantage of saving memory as the same tiny square texture can represent a much larger rectangular section of track that includes all the lane markers and such that need repeat across the road.
Agreed, I remember driving under there in gt3 at a buddies house, was a huge “wow” moment. I think with the right lighting and assets it would look gorgeous on PS5...
It could be FIA related. Some people on the GT Planet forums have speculated that the front and back straights were extended to accommodate a much larger grid (maybe 32 cars?) in the pit lane. The sharper final chicane I think follows similar rules F1 employs for their calendar for race courses. I remember seeing a video about Spa needing their final chicane reworked similar to what happened with Trial Mountain if it wanted to remain on the F1 calendar. I think the same thing happened to Suzuka as well. I faintly remember GT6 introducing a new layout of that track that changed the chicane somewhat.
Somehow the footage from gran turismo 4 looks more convincing than 5 for me, I think it's the lower res and tons of noise makes my brain fill in the blanks. GT5 looked good for it's time but everything looks plastic and fake. Still a good game tho
It's because the higher resolution and lower distortion exposes the weaknesses in the visuals CRTs were hiding. Not necessarily a bad thing, authoring material for a specific display type can be advantageous, but may look worse later when those choices are no longer valid.
It's a lie. Even Nvidia cards with raytracing not enough powerful to look like this. PS5 won't be powerful enough to show these details. If you enable raytracing in BF5 with a RX 2080 VGA, you'll get third of the fps.
GT3 A-Spec has been until now my favorite GT game of all. So many memories of trial mountain running full speed on the final chicane. I’m really excited for GT7 maybe it will give me back the thrill of driving on that particular track again.
I remember first time playing GT3 in a friend's house and amazed at those lights peeking from the trees in this track. Was convinced that it's the pinnacle of video game graphics.
I remember back in the day on PlayStation 1 got the DualShock 1 on ps day one when they added rumble support and analog sticks alongside gran turismo 1 was the first game supported rumble I was like 12 lol I loved this game and still do gt sport is the best looking game to me this generation
Honestly seeing GT looking this amazing has me so excited to see what the Forza series is going to look like as well, they've always delivered stunning visuals.
Let's just hope the game play for Motorsport is vastly improved from 7. Taking the racing game aspect of being able to upgrade and tune your car out of a racing game (even a simcade) was the dumbest thing MS could have ever done. Forza Horizon has more options and that's an open world, arcade racer for Pete's sake!
The next Forza will still need to run on base Xbox One/S since it's first-party, so it's gonna have that baggage. Still - it should look nice on the Series X with tons of ray tracing etc. Unlike GT7, a 'native' PS5 only game with no requirement to run on PS4, Microsoft can use all that next-gen power to beautify a game that runs on base Xbox One, so there's a lot of headroom to lather on visual perks. Other elements will be held back by that need to run on base Xbox One, however. Simply a fact of best-case design limitations imposed by Microsoft's first-party policy.
@@griffgames9538 The game will be developed on Series X and scaled back for the base Xbox. Series X is only being held back in the minds of those who want it to fail.
@@Kiwi-Ahh-Nah It's not about graphics, it's about game design. They are not the same. Making old games running on new hardware is a good thing. Making new games running on old hardware is a bad thing. For some stuff you can build in options to jump over, like driving to a mission. But then you will miss out on everything developers built in to entertain those, who don't have this option, like dialogues. Either way, it's a loss compared to games designed for new hardware only. What you get on XSX is a better looking old gen game, like a remaster, because game design always needs to be done for the weakest system. You don't have to believe me, just educate yourself on that matter and you'll see for yourself.
It's amazing to see how far this channel has come, I've been hear since about the beggining and now you guys are reaching 1 million...Makes me very happy to see hard work being appreciated, hope you people never stop growing!
@@souljastation5463 I don't think you have a very good memory. You should boot those games up and look at them again. GT5 & 6 visually crushed GT4, heck prologue had better fidelity than GT4. I still own all these games and GT4 from memory looked better but after firing it up, yeah nostalgia is full of crap.
Gran Turismo Sport helped me get back on the road after I was in a Truck Accident. Its more than a game to me. Its my therapy, my inspiration. My passion for driving is back now and GT is a huge part of my recovery.
Excellent! I purchased a ps3 for gran turismo specifically and was truly disappointed after so many solid titles before it. GT sport on ps4 is impressive, especially in VR but really lacks the spirit of the full titles. I for one and truly thrilled to see a return to form on the PS5. I have a feeling that new PlayStation is going to knock us all out of the park!
@@bingobongo1615 it's not really reused. After the "standard" and "premium" cars situation of GT5 and GT6 Polyphony understood they had to have a better long term strategy to model the cars of the series. They couldn't model a car thinking about just one game seeing the amount of time they were taking for each car. So they made high resolution scans of the cars that they could use for the next 10 years. GT Sport has a lower polygon count version of this scans. Just look digital foundry video comparing GT Sport and Forza 7 and compare the really small details up close in photo mode (like the buttons on the cockpit) and compare than to the close up of this kind of detail in the trailer. There is a reason Polyphony decided to focus on that in the trailer, at gameplay distance outside of Ray trancing, lighting and the track detail you won't notice much difference (not on full HD screen and with compression from UA-cam). But the jump in detail is there, they are using higher resolution version of the models of Sports (and probably made even more models to the car count is up considerably).
@@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa I was wondering how they were going to fix this issue. I hated that so many cars in GT6 were just ported PS2 models. They're so out of place I never wanted to use them. But 3d scanning is a much better strategy. Hopefully the car library actually has some good diversity as well as numbers, I remember in GT6 there was something like 46 versions of the Mazda MX5, most of them identical but just a different name or year model, and they did this for loads of basic cars, and none of them were detailed models. So frustrating. I'd love to see more niche brands and unique cars, especially Holden/HSV with the brand being axed this year. Always wanted the Commodore and Ford Falcon utes and sedans so I could take them around Bathurst like the Aussie I am haha
@@some_doofus agreed, in GT5 and 6 only used standard cars when obligated to use in GT mode. Even more because I like to drive in cockpit mode and that is horrible on standard cars.
GT2 was my favorite so far i remember my roommates waking me up saying my car is faster then yours and i'd get up and race it was such good memories and brings me back.
Great video! I remember buying a crazy Sanyo widescreen TV for GT4 specifically to get that high res version lol. Wow the technological advances we've made since then! GT7 is the killer-app for me on the PS5 and will be creating my for wheel and pedal set up for it. :)
Well they have to double the framerate which doubles the gpu load over the PS4 PRO, and then they are adding RT ontop of that (RT also uses a fair amount of memory bandwidth). And while RNDA2 offers ~40-60% higher IPC over Polaris (i can't remember the exact figure DF did an ipc comparison video), that still doesn't leave alot left over for a generational leap in rasterization complexity. (rasterization is the regular non RT way of rendering we all are used to). Typically a generation sees 4x-8x or greater leap over the previous generation in rendering complexity per pixel. But now that we jumped from 1080p 30 to 4K 60fps in 7 years we are pushing 8x more pixels per second compared to a vanilla PS4. So even though PS5 is much more powerful than PS4, much of it is being used to push those pixels. So with Moore's law slowing down you can't expect a 4K60fps game to see much a leap in graphics.
Thank you for this video Thomas. Typical time, care and effort has clearly gone into this video. Probably my favourite track from DEFFINATLY my favourite gaming franchise. So looking forward to PlayStation 5 and GT7.
Even watching the Gran Turismo 7 trialer live I couldn't help noticing all of the shadow and texture pop-in, and especially the lights in the tunnels showing very late. It's an early build I'm sure it will be fixed for launch, but I have to wonder why I never heard a tech channel mention it. Digital Foundry spot even the most fine details when analysing a scene, surely they're aware of how bad the footage we got looked with environment pop-in?
If it were Forza, they'd definitely seen it and mentioned something about it. Edit: the thing is that it's quite distracting visually for no one to mention it.
So cool to see the progression from every version and the jumps with the newer consoles. Like seeing the iterations right next to each other and all on one video. Great Job!
I used to think this way back in the day, but I found myself not wanting to see my car beat up in Forza Horizon 4. I ended up turning off visual damage.
Just an afterthought, how about making a second comparison with emulator resolution upscaling of the older games in the series? It seems that the low resolution hides a lot of detail baked in the games.
it looks absolutely fine on CRT. Mixed results on modern LCDs. Most TVs suck at de-interlacing, some high-end ones are really good at it. This is why special upscalers like OSSC exist. Even Tom mentioned this at 4:40. What you see in this video is the best de-interlaced 480i image you can possibly get from the PS2.
I feel like the ray-traced reflections are sometimes over emphasized, just like bump mapping on the X360. You need 250% zoom to see the car reflecting itself, and almost every surface with reflection feels wet and over-reflective.
Here's hoping it has a full featured VR mode this time and not the half-hearted effort that sport was. I realise that Yamauchi complained about the power PS4 had to power the experience but PS5 should be plenty.
@@vahid6698 There really is no point to wait for PSVR2. They can include VR to work with PSVR and patch in whatever PSVR2 brings to the table. Which will likely just be better screen resolution and better head tracking. More people will likely be getting PSVR1 anyway, as it will be much cheaper than PSVR2.
There is no way GT3 looked that rough back in the day. Even accounting for rose tinted nostalgia specs. It was a lot sharper/smoother than in this video.
It looks almost identical to GTsport outside of RT reflections...even the low poly hand models are identical to GTsport, dithering on shadows, pop in everywhere, we don't have a release date sure so it could be years off, but I expected a better critique from digital foundry.
I wish they'd bring back GT3 rally/ dirt handling. Was so much more fun. Loved flinging cars around smokey mountain. I know it may not be the most realistic physics but neither are the rally physics in all GT games since, so at least make rally fun again in GT, rather than frustrating grip-less sledges. GT sport was a bit better but still soulless in terms of rally content. Gt3 rally felt fun and special.
Gran Turismo 3 still has the best art design with its rich saturated colors, for my taste. Also it's the most Fun one in the series by far. Check it out, you won't be disappointed
Trial Mountain is iconic. I remember importing the first GT from Japan and it was just mind blowing, I can't imagine a GT without Trial Mountain. It would be so amazing if someone or something went and made the track a real thing. 😂🤣
To be frank, the exterior looks nice but the interior looks really disappointing :/ In fact if you look at 2:08 you'll see it's literally the same models and textures as on PS4 lol
I think the ps4 interiors look good enough. Unfortunatly not many people use this view anyway on gt sport. It looks and sounds great but disadvantage compared to bonnet or bumper cam.
@@malathomas6141 That's a real bummer. Evolution Studios had some of the most talented developers around. The WRC series on PS2 was top notch, Motorstorm on PS3 was tremendous fun and Driveclub was a real eye candy on PS4. I hope that their developers find a way to keep making such great games on PS5 and beyond!
Great retrospect video, when put into context like this it really is a big leap forward for art style and visual quality. Can't wait to find out about the time of day and weather systems; very happy to be returning to the old school simulation mode, used cars, car wash and lets not forget the tune-up shop!
Another great video Tom, thanks. I've not played a GT game since PS1 so good to see the evolution. PS5 looks amazing! Looking forward to seeing next gen Forza too.
@@mcrsit less aliases? Are you blind? How do you not see the insane amount of shimmering? Yes, gt6 has higher res, better lighting and tessellation but worse track shadows and significantly WORSE IMAGE QUALITY! it was such a shimmering mess I could barely look at it at some points
The only criticism I have for the GT7 trailer is that PD changed almost to nothing the HUD. It's almost like GT Sport was just a beta, online only, version for this game.
Yeah, the capture looks really fuzzy and at the same time has extreme shimmering. It seems like UA-cam isn't handling the field-rendering that GT3 uses very well. I've played it on a 1080p monitor with a PS2 to HDMI adapter and it looks fantastic. The only way to fix it would be to use a de-interlace mode on OSSC, but that would go against DF's rule to capture raw footage. GT4's 480 interlaced arguably looks worse since the field-rendering helps hide jaggies to an extent.
I'm not sure I care that much about this stuff about reflections etc, in a macro sense GT7 looks highly, highly similar to GT Sport... Which I'm fine with, as long as the content is there. I imagine the driving model/physics will be the same too. I think it's too late for GT to go full-sim, it would lose a lot of mainstream appeal.
Drive club rain effects do look great. But then again. With EVERYTHING we have seen of Gran Turismo 7 showing unparalleled graphics, of the total package, we have not seen rain yet. But Im sure this will be great as well.
Obviously, GT hasn't been realistic looking since GT4 Its all to clean and fake looking in the newer games, Overly bright shiny and bloom everywhere, and this one looks even worse with the ray tracing, wish they would concentrate on what needs fixing but it doesn't look like it once again 🙄
GT4 remains one of my most-played games. I think it had some of the best graphics on PS2, including interlaced HD output! I have many hours in 1, 3 and 6 as well. Career mode is a must for me so I'm glad 7 is bringing it back. No racing game I've played on PC has really nailed its career mode - I'm open to recommendations though.
@@ICEMANZIDANE They mostly compared gt7 to GT 6 from.. ps3. If you compare it to GT sport ar first it look like devs mostly added RT and not much more. Dissapointing
kiepur91 how do you know what the devs added I hate when people say they didn’t change the graphics. Just say u don’t see it or u don’t understand the changes u sound less stupid and more ready to learn
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This made me remember the countless hours me, my siblings and cousins spent playing the original GT in 98-99. Can´t believe it´s more than 20 years ago now.
yeah good memories. back when times were more simple. if you don't mind me asking how old are you?
i also have good memories of countless hours playing gt2
@@netoeli I wish i was a kid again back in the 90s when kids gather to play outside activities. now every kid is seems is glue to their 📱🎮.
@@ernestohernandez9370, I was never that kid in the 90's, always enjoyed a good book, game, or building some device... the light, it burns! ;-)
Yep ,good time's
I love these Tech Evolution videos. We don't get them enough, but I love when they pop up. I like that they're a bit more broadly focused on showing change over multiple games, rather than Johns approach of (usually) doing a deep dive into 1 game and it's ports. It gives the show a different flavor than johns.
Though I can't get enough DFretro either, keep them both coming!
I'll never understand how GT6 only came out on PS3 *AFTER* the PS4 had already been released.
Probably development hell.
A perfect example of how extremely difficult the PS3 was to develop for, even for first party studios.
Because they could use GT5 as template and make a more complete/polished sequel, like GT4 on PS2 is for GT3.
@@briantreanor960 i would say the PS3 was the most misunderstood console at all
@@Charles-hy6gp you're absolutely correct the PS3 was the greatest console despite being difficult to program for it ended up out selling the Xbox 360 by the end of the Seventh Generation because of all the exclusive games you could get with it it was up to Sony to showcase the power of the console cuz third-parties referred to make games look better on Xbox 360
This video really brought me back...
Can't wait to play this. This generation is the first in a while that's actually got me excited.
Was the PS4 not exciting then
Would you say the first in 7 years? lol
Gentleman Gamer not so much for me at least
@@N1ckZ This will be the first PS5 game I'll get with the system. I hope they prioritize as many electric car models as humanly possible.
@@unicorntomboy9736 You are joking I hope. I hate electric cars an the tesla in gt sport is awful. Plus if it don't come out for another year you got a long wait
That final chicane at 6:06. Many memories of acing it every lap, and a restart if I got it wrong and ended up in 2nd place.
So many lurid slides in various uncontrollable builds!
F in the chat for the yeet section
I just remember cheating and going across the grass. Lol.
Think it was Ridge Racer on ps1 where you would have to keep the super fast black car from passing you. I had to get a saved game from a friend, I couldnt do it.
@@TerryMartinART Totally!
I've been there since the beginning when I was still in high school and bought the PS1 Gran Turismo bundle with my own money. Seeing the footage of all the Gran Turismo games I've played brings back memories.
Trial Mountain has always been one of my favorite tracks. I hope they ad a lot more classics like Grand Valley, Deep Forest and Midfield.
Yeah. I'd be happy to see the fictional tracks prioritised over the real life tracks to be honest.
@@fcukugimmeausername I agree completely. Some but of course not all real life tracks don't translate as well into a video game meant to be fun as well as a track designed purely for a game imo. The tracks I want to see the most are Trial, Deep Forest, Seattle, Special Course 5, Tokyo, El Capitan
Wow those names bring chills! I would love to see Apricot Hill too. It's not OG like the others, but it was an original track added later in the series. Apricot Hill Reversed!
@@retrosoul8770 Id also love to see high speed ring as well
I was convinced that the reflections in GT3 were real. I remember going under into the tunnel in Trial Mountain and being amazed that it the tunnel lights were reflected onto the cars. Of course, that's not what was happening but it's amazing that we are now at that point.
What do you mean, were they NOT "real"?
@@NukeMyHouse As in they were just some well placed cube maps or whatever they used back in the day. Whereas these days, with GT7, I'd hope they're able to implement RT reflections on the tunnel lights.
They are real time reflections, but It only reflects certain parts of the track, mostly "ceiling" details, the cars don't reflect the side of the scenery. I don't remember if they reflect the road, I need to replay some GT3, it's still my favorite. And to complete, on GT5/6 the car reflects in real time but just like GT3/4 it's only selected parts.
@@ZinhoMegaman that's called a cubemap, they're not real "reflections" they're basically another layer of textures.
@@Zarnubius But they are real reflections, in the sense that they actually reflect the surrounding environment in realtime.
Games back then were able to re-render the scene using a second camera angle, then paste the results onto the car as a texture. (This texture could also be used as a rear-view mirror, in cockpit view.) Depending on the game engine, this was done between 15 and 60 times per second, and could skip over certain elements (cars, distant scenery, etc.) to speed up performance. It's kind of a cheap hack compared to raytracing, sure, but if done well, it can look almost the same at a glance.
I believe this would be categorized as a form of planar reflection, although some games (Beetle Adventure Racing and the PS2 Need for Speed titles, IIRC) appear to further cut corners by simply copying the main view onto the texture- so the back of the car constantly shows a shrunk-down image of more or less what's on your screen, minus the car itself. Almost like a really cheesy screen space reflection.
Cube maps tend to be pre-rendered textures (i.e., very fake), but the cube's textures could theoretically be updated in realtime. There was some truck driving game for Wii that rendered the environment from all sides of the truck, and then built a cube map out of all the renders. On every frame! Needless to say, it didn't run very smoothly.
Nostalgia surely is something. I remember GT2 looking photorealistic, and damn, 6th gen was aliasing town.
Aliasing was a big issue on the ps2
It looks rough now, but for it's time, the first GT was a stunner that was unlike anything else on consoles with it's sim like elements and the way the cars moved in such a realistic way.
I agree, it was my favorite game of the time.
Typical ignorant sony fanboy, sega rally was already shitting on gt
@@redhunter1535 go home you're drunk
@@cathalorourke1 Too late, he suffers from stage 4 Xboxism. He only cares about Teraflops now, we can't save him
the physics from GT1 could be used as a arcade mode's physics in GT7. Would be much fun
Those stretched street textures on the first Gran Turismo to simulate motion blur are brilliant!
@@mutalix That's not what he said.
mutalix simulate is the key word. Read please
Fairly common effect at the time. Also had the advantage of saving memory as the same tiny square texture can represent a much larger rectangular section of track that includes all the lane markers and such that need repeat across the road.
@@theblah12 This was the most likely reason; memory.
13:03 I REALLY miss the tree branches on top of the track. It would look AMAZING!
I don't understand why they have changed it so much.
Yep! Exactly!
Agreed, I remember driving under there in gt3 at a buddies house, was a huge “wow” moment. I think with the right lighting and assets it would look gorgeous on PS5...
It could be FIA related. Some people on the GT Planet forums have speculated that the front and back straights were extended to accommodate a much larger grid (maybe 32 cars?) in the pit lane. The sharper final chicane I think follows similar rules F1 employs for their calendar for race courses. I remember seeing a video about Spa needing their final chicane reworked similar to what happened with Trial Mountain if it wanted to remain on the F1 calendar. I think the same thing happened to Suzuka as well. I faintly remember GT6 introducing a new layout of that track that changed the chicane somewhat.
Yeah that was a bummer, still looks amazing overall though. Nostalgia hit me so hard when that popped up in the reveal.
I bet putting that PS2 video feed on a CRT would look magical. Something about digital displays has made analogue feeds look terrible.
Somehow the footage from gran turismo 4 looks more convincing than 5 for me, I think it's the lower res and tons of noise makes my brain fill in the blanks. GT5 looked good for it's time but everything looks plastic and fake. Still a good game tho
It's because the higher resolution and lower distortion exposes the weaknesses in the visuals CRTs were hiding. Not necessarily a bad thing, authoring material for a specific display type can be advantageous, but may look worse later when those choices are no longer valid.
Man, GT3 in PCSX2 with 3x native resolution or more can look as good as GT5, don't doubt It.
The value contrast in GT4 seems more realistic - for example at 11:00 the darkest values are limited to the bottom of the bridge.
Ethax the high contrast definitely makes gt5 feel more fake, even if all the assets are high quality technically
It never ceases to amaze me how much detail you guys can pull from something like game trailer. Another great video guys! 👌
It's a lie. Even Nvidia cards with raytracing not enough powerful to look like this. PS5 won't be powerful enough to show these details. If you enable raytracing in BF5 with a RX 2080 VGA, you'll get third of the fps.
The OG Gran Turismo was one of my first driving games ever, loved it, can’t wait for 7!
GT3 A-Spec has been until now my favorite GT game of all. So many memories of trial mountain running full speed on the final chicane. I’m really excited for GT7 maybe it will give me back the thrill of driving on that particular track again.
That final chicane was such a touch of brilliance. It made the ending of any race so dramatic
I remember first time playing GT3 in a friend's house and amazed at those lights peeking from the trees in this track. Was convinced that it's the pinnacle of video game graphics.
I remember playing GT2 for the PS One. The difference 20 years makes is astonishing.
That game needs a remaster!
@@Immaustine We're getting one, it's called GT7.
Haven't watched this yet but I know I'm going to like it - Trial Mountain is a classic!
and they ruined it
Ikr, can’t wait to try this game, it’s been a while since I played GT.
@@karelpipa why did they ruin it? what's wrong with it?
For me Grand Valley track was way more epic but that’s my point of view 😉
This is the content we need right now, great as always DF.
It was uploaded 3 minutes ago, man, what you talkin' bout?
@@jazzman7320 I was more happy about the theme of the video, obviously haven't watched the entire vid yet.
I remember back in the day on PlayStation 1 got the DualShock 1 on ps day one when they added rumble support and analog sticks alongside gran turismo 1 was the first game supported rumble I was like 12 lol I loved this game and still do gt sport is the best looking game to me this generation
Honestly seeing GT looking this amazing has me so excited to see what the Forza series is going to look like as well, they've always delivered stunning visuals.
Same. Hope they don't
follow PD and just update FM4. Want something fresh.
Let's just hope the game play for Motorsport is vastly improved from 7. Taking the racing game aspect of being able to upgrade and tune your car out of a racing game (even a simcade) was the dumbest thing MS could have ever done. Forza Horizon has more options and that's an open world, arcade racer for Pete's sake!
The next Forza will still need to run on base Xbox One/S since it's first-party, so it's gonna have that baggage.
Still - it should look nice on the Series X with tons of ray tracing etc. Unlike GT7, a 'native' PS5 only game with no requirement to run on PS4, Microsoft can use all that next-gen power to beautify a game that runs on base Xbox One, so there's a lot of headroom to lather on visual perks.
Other elements will be held back by that need to run on base Xbox One, however. Simply a fact of best-case design limitations imposed by Microsoft's first-party policy.
@@griffgames9538 The game will be developed on Series X and scaled back for the base Xbox. Series X is only being held back in the minds of those who want it to fail.
@@Kiwi-Ahh-Nah It's not about graphics, it's about game design. They are not the same. Making old games running on new hardware is a good thing. Making new games running on old hardware is a bad thing. For some stuff you can build in options to jump over, like driving to a mission. But then you will miss out on everything developers built in to entertain those, who don't have this option, like dialogues. Either way, it's a loss compared to games designed for new hardware only. What you get on XSX is a better looking old gen game, like a remaster, because game design always needs to be done for the weakest system. You don't have to believe me, just educate yourself on that matter and you'll see for yourself.
It's amazing to see how far this channel has come, I've been hear since about the beggining and now you guys are reaching 1 million...Makes me very happy to see hard work being appreciated, hope you people never stop growing!
Tourist Trophy and GT PSP also had the track.
Tourist trophy was awesome i really wish they brought it back
11:18 GT 6 looks way worse than GT 5 WTF I remembered that the media said it was the opposite.
they look identical to me, and very close to GT4: that game was so good that the next generation didn't improve much over it.
I only played 6 but damn the shadows took a huge downgrade.
@@souljastation5463 I don't think you have a very good memory. You should boot those games up and look at them again. GT5 & 6 visually crushed GT4, heck prologue had better fidelity than GT4. I still own all these games and GT4 from memory looked better but after firing it up, yeah nostalgia is full of crap.
@@souljastation5463 if you look the video on a mobile yes, on a monitor no
@@souljastation5463 the shadows off the trees on 6 looks blobby af compared to the GT5 shadows, though the grass does look a little better on GT6
The Digital Foundry content has been most of my entertainment in this lockdown apart from the PS5 reveal.
Huh...... never thought Hitler would watch Digital Foundry
We could sure use your return!
@@Shieftain wut
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Gran Turismo Sport helped me get back on the road after I was in a Truck Accident. Its more than a game to me. Its my therapy, my inspiration. My passion for driving is back now and GT is a huge part of my recovery.
JDEZ09 I hope you are fully recorverd, wish you a good and healty life....that a game can do that is great❤️
Thats really great to hear. GT gave me such appreciation for cars and driving in general.
i love gt sport, but i haven't felt so excited for a new iteration of the series like this before, gran turismo 7 will be my purchase day one for PS5
Me too but imagine what it will be like towards the end of PS5 with GT8 and I would love to see another tourist trophy game.
I'm not. Gt sport is the best gt by far. I hope 7 doesn't ruin the formula
12:43 GT7 looks like a cinematic cutscene
Can’t wait to see it in HDR.
Excellent! I purchased a ps3 for gran turismo specifically and was truly disappointed after so many solid titles before it. GT sport on ps4 is impressive, especially in VR but really lacks the spirit of the full titles. I for one and truly thrilled to see a return to form on the PS5. I have a feeling that new PlayStation is going to knock us all out of the park!
I completely agree and the Reused GT Sport Mazda car assets make me a but sceptical ...
@@bingobongo1615 it's not really reused. After the "standard" and "premium" cars situation of GT5 and GT6 Polyphony understood they had to have a better long term strategy to model the cars of the series. They couldn't model a car thinking about just one game seeing the amount of time they were taking for each car. So they made high resolution scans of the cars that they could use for the next 10 years. GT Sport has a lower polygon count version of this scans. Just look digital foundry video comparing GT Sport and Forza 7 and compare the really small details up close in photo mode (like the buttons on the cockpit) and compare than to the close up of this kind of detail in the trailer. There is a reason Polyphony decided to focus on that in the trailer, at gameplay distance outside of Ray trancing, lighting and the track detail you won't notice much difference (not on full HD screen and with compression from UA-cam). But the jump in detail is there, they are using higher resolution version of the models of Sports (and probably made even more models to the car count is up considerably).
@@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa I was wondering how they were going to fix this issue. I hated that so many cars in GT6 were just ported PS2 models. They're so out of place I never wanted to use them. But 3d scanning is a much better strategy. Hopefully the car library actually has some good diversity as well as numbers, I remember in GT6 there was something like 46 versions of the Mazda MX5, most of them identical but just a different name or year model, and they did this for loads of basic cars, and none of them were detailed models. So frustrating. I'd love to see more niche brands and unique cars, especially Holden/HSV with the brand being axed this year. Always wanted the Commodore and Ford Falcon utes and sedans so I could take them around Bathurst like the Aussie I am haha
@@some_doofus agreed, in GT5 and 6 only used standard cars when obligated to use in GT mode. Even more because I like to drive in cockpit mode and that is horrible on standard cars.
GT2 was my favorite so far i remember my roommates waking me up saying my car is faster then yours and i'd get up and race it was such good memories and brings me back.
Great video! I remember buying a crazy Sanyo widescreen TV for GT4 specifically to get that high res version lol. Wow the technological advances we've made since then! GT7 is the killer-app for me on the PS5 and will be creating my for wheel and pedal set up for it. :)
GT7 looks like GT3 does in my memories :D Wow what a trip. Thanks DF for the overview!
Gran Turismo 3 looked just SO INCREDIBLE back when it released. Interesting looking back and contrasting with modern graphics.
Imo the graphical improvement is subtle, I bet most casuals wont even notice a difference.
I think we'll need more content to judge the graphics.
Yeah it's almost the same
I think its mostly about immersion in the game what matters at this point.
Well they have to double the framerate which doubles the gpu load over the PS4 PRO, and then they are adding RT ontop of that (RT also uses a fair amount of memory bandwidth). And while RNDA2 offers ~40-60% higher IPC over Polaris (i can't remember the exact figure DF did an ipc comparison video), that still doesn't leave alot left over for a generational leap in rasterization complexity. (rasterization is the regular non RT way of rendering we all are used to). Typically a generation sees 4x-8x or greater leap over the previous generation in rendering complexity per pixel. But now that we jumped from 1080p 30 to 4K 60fps in 7 years we are pushing 8x more pixels per second compared to a vanilla PS4. So even though PS5 is much more powerful than PS4, much of it is being used to push those pixels. So with Moore's law slowing down you can't expect a 4K60fps game to see much a leap in graphics.
Thank you for this video Thomas. Typical time, care and effort has clearly gone into this video. Probably my favourite track from DEFFINATLY my favourite gaming franchise. So looking forward to PlayStation 5 and GT7.
Even watching the Gran Turismo 7 trialer live I couldn't help noticing all of the shadow and texture pop-in, and especially the lights in the tunnels showing very late. It's an early build I'm sure it will be fixed for launch, but I have to wonder why I never heard a tech channel mention it. Digital Foundry spot even the most fine details when analysing a scene, surely they're aware of how bad the footage we got looked with environment pop-in?
If it were Forza, they'd definitely seen it and mentioned something about it. Edit: the thing is that it's quite distracting visually for no one to mention it.
@@bigjus3751 tbh haven't even noticed once everyone was pointing it out
So cool to see the progression from every version and the jumps with the newer consoles. Like seeing the iterations right next to each other and all on one video. Great Job!
Everyone: "We would like to see a better damage system"
12:54: "Nope"
Not even close :)
I used to think this way back in the day, but I found myself not wanting to see my car beat up in Forza Horizon 4. I ended up turning off visual damage.
Damage really isn't a big deal. You shouldn't be hitting anything in these games anyway.
Congrats on 1 million subs by the time everyone watches this. I was sold on the Series X..... now I'm conflicted!
Just an afterthought, how about making a second comparison with emulator resolution upscaling of the older games in the series? It seems that the low resolution hides a lot of detail baked in the games.
Finally, an "Evolution of Series" video that is worth a watch.
I couldn't remember how bad the interlacing was on ps2
Wasnt bad, was just good for the time..
Its only bad looking back.
It is not that bad. It looks bad when passed from Digital to Analog to Digital again, that's all.
It's that capture something that they used that kills image quality. I still play GT4 regurarly and looks much better on a proper CRT!
It was terrible if you compare it to OG Xbox
it looks absolutely fine on CRT. Mixed results on modern LCDs. Most TVs suck at de-interlacing, some high-end ones are really good at it. This is why special upscalers like OSSC exist. Even Tom mentioned this at 4:40. What you see in this video is the best de-interlaced 480i image you can possibly get from the PS2.
I feel like the ray-traced reflections are sometimes over emphasized, just like bump mapping on the X360.
You need 250% zoom to see the car reflecting itself, and almost every surface with reflection feels wet and over-reflective.
GT3 was a revelation. I played so many hours 😂
Still play mine after finally updated it each one at a time
Great video as always, Tom!
I hope in GT7 we will have all modes from previous games! I want B-Spec , Face Tracking with the Playstation 5 Cam , ect ect....
Tom this was fantastic man. Easily among DF's best :)
Here's hoping it has a full featured VR mode this time and not the half-hearted effort that sport was. I realise that Yamauchi complained about the power PS4 had to power the experience but PS5 should be plenty.
If they target high graphics it's all the same again.
I think they won't add VR mode this time, til when they released PSVR2 (hopefully holiday 2021)
@@vahid6698 There really is no point to wait for PSVR2. They can include VR to work with PSVR and patch in whatever PSVR2 brings to the table. Which will likely just be better screen resolution and better head tracking. More people will likely be getting PSVR1 anyway, as it will be much cheaper than PSVR2.
@@plo617 if psvr2 will be wireless I don't see many people buying psvr1 over it.
At 12:53 the colision model cars didn't visually touch but.they still moved like they did.
ThE pOwEr Of NeXt Gen!!1!
There is no way GT3 looked that rough back in the day. Even accounting for rose tinted nostalgia specs. It was a lot sharper/smoother than in this video.
I think CRT TV's really helped
This video was a great on a Wednesday morning. Can’t wait for GT7! Fingers crossed it’s not long after launch.
Definitely buy a PS5 for this game!
It looks almost identical to GTsport outside of RT reflections...even the low poly hand models are identical to GTsport, dithering on shadows, pop in everywhere, we don't have a release date sure so it could be years off, but I expected a better critique from digital foundry.
Campaign mode, tuning , Day one
Buy a shitty console with low-end hardware just to play a uninspired arcade racing game. Ok.
@@sqlevolicious wtf you living in a cave, its gonne out class every thing.
@@sqlevolicious do you even know what this game is?
love the way gran turismo 3 looks with those vibrant colors
I wish they'd bring back GT3 rally/ dirt handling. Was so much more fun. Loved flinging cars around smokey mountain. I know it may not be the most realistic physics but neither are the rally physics in all GT games since, so at least make rally fun again in GT, rather than frustrating grip-less sledges. GT sport was a bit better but still soulless in terms of rally content. Gt3 rally felt fun and special.
9:33
lol they cut away as he was about to drive directly into a well going top speed in 4th on a 3 corner.
Lol that car was toast
Long live the Suzuki escudo, fastest car in the game.
Laughs in Dodge Tomahawk
Was that the pike's peak version? ;)
Thanks for the video. GT7 looks fantastic.
Gran Turismo 3 still has the best art design with its rich saturated colors, for my taste. Also it's the most Fun one in the series by far. Check it out, you won't be disappointed
Plus, best intro ever.
Keep up the amazing content, you guys are on a roll!!! Road to 1 Million! :)
Cheers,
A nerdy fan
It looks nice, GT3 still looks great though.
Trial Mountain is iconic.
I remember importing the first GT from Japan and it was just mind blowing, I can't imagine a GT without Trial Mountain.
It would be so amazing if someone or something went and made the track a real thing. 😂🤣
You mention GT6 looking sharper than 5, but from the comparison, I gather is quite the opposite. 6 looks like a blurry mess in comparison.
exactly. so much more shimmering in 6. i hated it. practically ruined an otherwise better game
I agree, I can't really call it a leap in progress when negative things are apparent from the first second but I have to look for positive things...
Also, the shadows of the trees after the tunnel just looked worse compared to the GT5 version.
It looks sharper to me, but it doesn't look better at all.
Wow I never realized how much the tracks had changed between each iteration. Very nice analysis!
7 entries in 14 minutes, this is gonna be a HIGH SPEED THRILL RIDE. Just like the games, am I right folks?
Thanks for this awesome comparison!!!!
Can't wait to see the new Forza on Series X.
Forza died with 360🤣
toppdogg2k17 what’s the point of these dumb fanboy comments. Don’t be child
@@hpickettz34 Forza is more popular than ever...
Ok xbots
@@eduardosantiago6948 Horizon is a completely different style of game to gran turismo. Jesus, some folk are dumb
I like the evolution of graphics vids. From retroactive to modern. Nice job DF.
6:55 no way GT3 looked this crappy. I thought it looked like life itself in 2002.
Still looks good to me ngl
The Mazda love in this vid does not go unnoticed. Nice job!
To be frank, the exterior looks nice but the interior looks really disappointing :/
In fact if you look at 2:08 you'll see it's literally the same models and textures as on PS4 lol
CTRL C > CTRL V
I think the ps4 interiors look good enough. Unfortunatly not many people use this view anyway on gt sport. It looks and sounds great but disadvantage compared to bonnet or bumper cam.
Thorough, informative, and a narrowly focused love letter to the series...cheers
I hope DriveClub will be picked up by other studio, revived and renewed for PS5. Imagine the eyegasms that graphics will give
👁️👄👁️
Studio was canceled
@@malathomas6141 That's a real bummer. Evolution Studios had some of the most talented developers around. The WRC series on PS2 was top notch, Motorstorm on PS3 was tremendous fun and Driveclub was a real eye candy on PS4. I hope that their developers find a way to keep making such great games on PS5 and beyond!
@@mcrsit I hear some of the devs that worked on evolution studios are working for Gran Turismo 7
They are working on the Dirt 5
@@Dragonfury3000 I hope so. Those developers have allot of talent.
Great retrospect video, when put into context like this it really is a big leap forward for art style and visual quality. Can't wait to find out about the time of day and weather systems; very happy to be returning to the old school simulation mode, used cars, car wash and lets not forget the tune-up shop!
I look forward to playing this when it's finally released in 2026.
2026? 😐
Lmao
It should be around 2021/2022 if we keep the Release cycles in mind
Another great video Tom, thanks. I've not played a GT game since PS1 so good to see the evolution. PS5 looks amazing! Looking forward to seeing next gen Forza too.
11:17 GT6 doesn't look sharper AT ALL!!!!! it never did. gt5 looked much better despite lower res
GT6's gfx are less aliased and it implements a new PBR based rendering engine that GT5 lacks.
This really depends on the screen / capture method. On my monitor, 6 looks far sharper than 5, it's not even close.
no1DdC That’s not what they showed here.
@@pablovi77 My point is that the screen or capture method has a huge influence on image quality with last-gen consoles and earlier systems.
@@mcrsit less aliases? Are you blind? How do you not see the insane amount of shimmering?
Yes, gt6 has higher res, better lighting and tessellation but worse track shadows and significantly WORSE IMAGE QUALITY!
it was such a shimmering mess I could barely look at it at some points
i love these videos so much! lots of depth here!
The only criticism I have for the GT7 trailer is that PD changed almost to nothing the HUD. It's almost like GT Sport was just a beta, online only, version for this game.
Well it kinda was
Well the UI is great on gt sport , really dont care about keeping it.
Well HUD is perfect in GT Sport so.
you're dumb lol it literally IS IN BETA, IF NOT ALPHA
@@HugoStiglitz88 These idiots doesn't seem to notice that's a placeholder for the game right now. I bet the game doesn't comes out until 2023
@7:12 That straight with the trees and the light shafts... GT3 hit different!
Notice how the lights in tunnel pop up after 1:29. So much for being a super fast SSD.
It's not the final product, chillax
that's draw distance and has nothing to do with the storage speed
@@karlwynne9446 No chillax, is a demonstration shit like that should not be seen, by the way that game does not look that much different !!
@@karlwynne9446 well presentations are supposed to be perfect. I am happy that pop in happened so at least we know it's real gameplay.
@@wehavecookies56 I know.. it's supposed to be funny. Laugh and move on.
They better still have that hump on the final corner so I can still flip my car in ultra HD
They sadly do not.
Aeno confirmed ??😢
"a more realistic damage model" keep dreaming lol
Car companies: "How dare you suggest wrecking our beautiful works of art."
Polyphony digital never intended on making a realistic damage model simulator Digital Foundry lol.
*Codemasters has entered the chat*
I could happily watch an hour long version of this video that went into way more depth. Please DF.
honestly, the GT5 version of the track looks barely any better than the GT4 version...
it looks like a smaller upgrade than some HD remasters had
Excellent video that took me down memory lane.
By no means GT3 looks that bad. Not even on Modern screens. You guys screwed up the capture that for sure
Yeah, the capture looks really fuzzy and at the same time has extreme shimmering. It seems like UA-cam isn't handling the field-rendering that GT3 uses very well. I've played it on a 1080p monitor with a PS2 to HDMI adapter and it looks fantastic. The only way to fix it would be to use a de-interlace mode on OSSC, but that would go against DF's rule to capture raw footage. GT4's 480 interlaced arguably looks worse since the field-rendering helps hide jaggies to an extent.
Thanks for making this video really appreciate it, please keep the GT videos coming... 🇹🇹
I'm not sure I care that much about this stuff about reflections etc, in a macro sense GT7 looks highly, highly similar to GT Sport... Which I'm fine with, as long as the content is there. I imagine the driving model/physics will be the same too. I think it's too late for GT to go full-sim, it would lose a lot of mainstream appeal.
Really enjoyed this video. Great job. :)
Drive club within raining weather way more realistic
No it isn’t and we haven’t even seen gt7 with rain
Drive club rain effects do look great. But then again. With EVERYTHING we have seen of Gran Turismo 7 showing unparalleled graphics, of the total package, we have not seen rain yet. But Im sure this will be great as well.
Obviously, GT hasn't been realistic looking since GT4 Its all to clean and fake looking in the newer games, Overly bright shiny and bloom everywhere, and this one looks even worse with the ray tracing, wish they would concentrate on what needs fixing but it doesn't look like it once again 🙄
GT4 remains one of my most-played games. I think it had some of the best graphics on PS2, including interlaced HD output! I have many hours in 1, 3 and 6 as well. Career mode is a must for me so I'm glad 7 is bringing it back. No racing game I've played on PC has really nailed its career mode - I'm open to recommendations though.
I don't remember GT3 looking so shit haha I remember it being almost photorealistic.
The shine and reflections off the helmets and vehicles are next level amazing.
GT6 looks worse than GT5. Lower-res textures and bad pop-in.
Yeah the shadows also looked better in 5 than they did on 6.
fantastic video tom.
Graphics jump in gt 7 is ugh underwhleming . RT is nice tho
True. This looks current gen.
Ray tracing reflections just makes everything overly shiny
Didnt you watch the video? Are you blind?
@@ICEMANZIDANE They mostly compared gt7 to GT 6 from.. ps3. If you compare it to GT sport ar first it look like devs mostly added RT and not much more. Dissapointing
kiepur91 how do you know what the devs added I hate when people say they didn’t change the graphics. Just say u don’t see it or u don’t understand the changes u sound less stupid and more ready to learn
6:45 Gran Turismo 3 was and still is fucking awesome
Needs damage models desperately.
License is the problem, you need to ask the manufacturer of the cars
License is the problem, you need to ask the manufacturer of the cars
Thanks for taking the time to look soo deeply into video games. Its nice to see evidence of people just as obsessed as myself, lol.