The Quadzilla Banshee 500cc Quad Is FIXED!
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- Опубліковано 22 січ 2022
- I rebuild the Quadzilla Banshee 500cc quad for the 2nd time and then take it for a test drive.#Quadzilla, #Banshee, #500cc,
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Thank you guys for all the support on this project and all the helpful comments! I couldn't have figured out the problem without your help. More to come on this quad.
Glad to see you doing good. 🔥
Joe what's up buddy, I've been out the game for a while but I'm glad to see all the videos that are constantly uploaded. Soooo many projects 💪🏼
Richard Thompson
Not to sure if you have figured out the issue, but I know weisco pistons are known for “sticking” due to their construction. They are an alloy piston not forged, and swell quicker then a standard forged piston does. They require more piston to wall clearance due to this! If not set right they swell to quick and stick to the wall. I have seen this, I have done this lol
That's some very important information on the weisco piston.
40:35 "I think we're running too lean" -proceeds to yank the throttle like there's no tomorrow.
I sense a 10th 500 rebuild coming soon 😆
sounds like to me a typical two stroke moment
Funny you say sounds like its running lean and then proceed to string it out when the air is at the thinnest great job Joe
Just a tip, try to measure the piston on the skirt because that's the widest point of it. Awesome video as always 🔥
And use the proper tool, a caliper is not a accurate way to measure a bore
When you measure the ring gap. push the ring down with the piston to get it even in the bore. Also why not check the compression after the rebuild , just to have a baseline number . then do a start and check again. its great to have those numbers to compare if anything goes wrong.
One tip, adjust the idle with the carb slide screw, not the throttle cable. pulling the cable tight to adjust the idle is not the way to do it. The cable is supposed to have a set amount of free play before it begins to lift the carb slide. The free play amount is listed in the service manual. Everything else your doing looks good. I have enjoyed watching your skills grow. Just please set idle on your machines the right way, its driving me crazy, lol.
HE IS A FING HACK
@@johnscovel3170 duh but atleast he does more then i can :)
He's been doing like that since ever despite people always pointing it out lol. He's the kind of guy who just wants to get the job done, not properly done.
@@johnscovel3170 and you are here watching his videos make him money from UA-cam. you couch mechanic expert sound like someone is salty
@@fullmetaljacket7 you know he don't keep them right he sells them. making money fixing them and making money from UA-cam what are you doing sitting on your computer watching his UA-cam video's 🤣
So pleased to see that beast running again well done with all the work you've done to bring it back around, hope you can get it dailed in look forward to future videos!
Congrats on fixing the Quadzilla! That looks like a sweet machine and really fast. I hope to be enjoying the sweet taste of success fixing a quad soon as well! Good work Joe!!!
Now you need to realize that wut ever port work was done to advance the exhaust timing just changed cuz of those three base gaskets .
It changed the intake, transfer, and exhaust timing and lowered the compression.
Stacking gaskets is the wrong way to do it. I understand testing things but that's where squish comes in. Squish will tell you if you need a thicker gaskets and if you do never stack them. You could have also had the dome cut out alittle in the head. Very common practice in 2 strokes. You've come a long way from before and it's good to see you learning. Keep it up
That's awesome you put your gas cans right next to your heater
i've always been taught on break ins you should upshift and downshift regularly and to not stay in one gear or cruise it, maintaining constant low rpm is kinda bad for anything on break in. kinda like mint low mile grandma cars, as soon as you open them up they start leaking and smoking bad lol a redline a day keeps the mechanic away... my 1975 yz 250 i rebuilt over a few months when i was 15 i ripped every gear until 5th too like half it's rpm in each gear, then i would downshift and allow it to naturally engine brake all the way down to 1st with no brakes its good for the rings and cylinder break in. i did that for about 10 hours, once your ready to let it eat you change the oil and do the same thing but from redline for awhile. it breaks the rings into the full rpm range better. my old yz still runs, a friend of mine owns it and his kid rides it, it chooches like a coal train but it still runs, it was rebuilt 22 years ago. i rode it for 3 years until i got my license then sold it to him for $60.
@Quirin M. no dude was my homeboy it was $60 lol i got it for $100 i was super lucky. best part was it only had like 50 hours on it, the bottom end was brand new the only things wrong with it was the coil was a lemon so they change it and wired it backwards idk how or why but it happened. it sat for so long cuz they couldn't fugure it out the piston was seized to the cylinder so i had it proper honed and slapped new rings in it, reversed the wires and she fired right up lol you could tell they were in the points and mag trying to figure out the spark issue.
A loose 0.004" should be sufficient enough clearance, just always remember that the piston will grow more than the cylinder with water-pumper 2-strokes, especially when cold. It sounds about right with the engine running, just the right amount of ringing noise from normal piston slap. Break it in and see how it works out.
You may want to get a thick soft aluminum gasket made up for the cylinder base and use Yamabond case sealer on it instead of the permatex silicone-based sealer. Measure your existing gasket stack and go from there, sounds good so far!
37:34-----You fouled a sparkplug, better to replace a plug than a piston! No biggie if you're breaking this engine in easy.
Thanks for a cool video, glad this thing is finally coming to fruition!
With a standard alloy piston yes, .004” is not an issue. Weisco pistons however are alloy not a forged piston. They swell at a faster rate then the standard pistons, they do require a little more piston to wall clearance to compensate for the faster growing rate of the piston to prevent this. I have stuck a weisco piston like this... :)
Good to know, the one I just rode just pooped on me, but also the shifter is hitting my case...the only time I get to ride again and it's not my fkn banshee, after blowing my engine in my car due to a timing chain snapped, losing my job because jab refusal, owing irs 7k, and now this shit...would love for someone to just swing a baseball bat to my dome.
Nice work lad.
Love the passion for it
Been waiting for this one. I have bad luck sometimes with new rebuilds. Keep the good videos coming mate
Been waiting for this one!!! This one was speed bump after speed bump. Good Work
Yeah it was. So happy it's fixed now.
Please remember to adjust the engine idle at the carb, not with the cable. Your going to have a phantom rev at the wrong time, that's dangerous. Especially on a big bore.
Great job! I really enjoyed this build. I’ve had the pleasure of owning 2 new banshee’s back in the day. I like the smell of Yamaha Lube R so much I used to run it in my string trimmer 😂👍 God bless!
Cool to see it running again Engine sounds strong the copper base shim (Gasket) work realy well too if you end up going that way, your chanle is awsome, you have a passion for this and its good to see.
Glad you got it fixed joe its defo a flyer mate and sounds perfect look forward to the top speed test I really think you've got it dialled in now looks mint take care and enjoy 🔧🔧👍🔧👌
Nice!!!! Glad u got that beast running man. Looking forward to the top speed test 🤩🤩🤩
Good job Joe ! If it were my rig I'd be getting a nomex sleeve for the fuel line. Sounds like it's leaning out up top. Remember Joe, 500s don't rev like a 250 gotta ride em like you'd drive a diesel and use the down low torque otherwise you might be doing a top end ...again.
he probably sold this in a month or less. he only fixes them to make money and whatever money he gets from UA-cam
Adjusting the idle with the throttle cable is not how you adjust the idle. Ive seen you do this 100 times.
I was gonna say something so thank you, and he was wondering why his revs were coming up...no slack in cable and the wheeler finely started warming up.
Karen
Yeah u gotta play with carburetor adjuster. Or the pilot
I bet u can’t keep the front wheels on the ground on pavement cuz my banshee just with the stock motor built a lil bit would come up every gear but the last gear
Yeah play in the throttle clutch and brake cables is all a good thing.
Love your videos. I fixed up a 1981 Yamaha DT175, it was my grandma’s old bike.
Hey Joe, copper gaskets are pretty easy to make just cut them out of some sheet. Alan Milyard has a pretty good tutorial, they just have to be heated to soften them.
Upon washing the cylinder I wouldn’t have been running my gloved fingers through it. Good way to rescratch things if there was in fact still metal in the cylinder.
Also measuring the rings…. I would have coated outside of ring with oil befor putting it in the cylinder and pushing it down via your piston.
These precautions make me wonder why it blew up in ten seconds after the first rebuild!
Other then that, glad it worked out
great to see the beast live again..Try hp2 race oil in it at 32.1 mix and i bet your plug stays cleaner...great job and fun toy there!
Great job!! I knew it was the piston that hit the head both times it blew up. You did the old school trick with the gaskets!! I'll bet the head and cylinder have been machined over the years and now needs more gaskets!!
@Quirin M. They Been doing this for year's! It's ok. But yes it wil affect when the piston passes the ports. He isn't a machinist with all the correct tools. Just a young man wanting to rip his machine around.
I've been watching your programs for a while now you are knowledgeable in all aspects of Carburetor device for supplying a spark- ignition engine with a mixture of fuel and air and engine machine for converting various forms of energy into mechanical force and motion so there for problem solving is fantastic 👍
You have really grown as a mechanic it's been fun to watch your progression congrats on another well done project.
We do break ins in shop before the maxhines leave, that way we can address any issues in house while it's here. Its gonna be fine Joe, great job.
What a relief after all the grief! Congratulations. Interesting comments about which end of the jug to compensate for the too radically modified port timing. Now you know you're on the right track l would like to see a measured port map, get some advice from someone who knows how to read it. Then you will know which end of the jug needs a compression plate (made at a good machine shop) instead of the three gaskets. Also oil mix needs to be a ratio you intend to run with, then plug chops and jetting to suit that ratio. Like others have said start rich on each circuit then come down on the sizes.
Been through this several times with customers. They rebuild themselves then it goes boom. We've kind of come to understand, its man made and its mechanical sometimes stuff happens. Youll get it going, we're enjoying the footage, we've been there, God Bless my friend, you got what it takes to do it... have a customer with a 90s banshee with a Honda Trx 450 motor in it, really good build, nice quad, see them wierd builds all the time... great job...😊
Hey Joe awesome fix on the Quadzilla man she's a beast.Let it eat it's a Banshee keep up the good work man God bless to you and yours peace out.
That thing is sick! Can't wait for some top speed numbers!
Heck yah man glade to see you got it fixed that a sick four wheeler be badass in sand dunes wonder how many four wheelers you owned lol I definitely need get one for snow we got about 3inches two days ago in Virginia
Congrats on getting it fixed, looks like so much fun to ride
Dope rebuild on the lt600 banshee lol i think your right about jetting doesn’t sound like it’s opening up when u give throttle,
Hey man if you will find TDC when starting that thing it will be much easier on ya
Jet fat for cold cold weather
You really need a jet bit set for upsizing your jets . Cheap and time saving instead of waiting , Open up your jets one size at a time until you have the right size then order that one or just leave it in there that way and scratch it on the bowl
What a fight that thing has been, more fuel won't hurt anything better to go bigger as you find the right jetting.
Wasn't this the quad with excessive crank side to side play? Missing some thrust washers on the big end ?
Yes washers were there.
Give you a lot of credit on this series for listening to a lot of the comment, it is quite evident that you read the helpful suggestions and pro tips people gave instead of being bullheaded like many creators. Definite learning experience for you and others I am sure and quality content. For gods sake though man get a ball peen hammer, claw hammers are for carpentry.
Just a thought but when you put the rings in the bore take you piston to push it down to make sure it is square in the bore, and for checking the piston height use a little play doe rotate up to tdc then remove the head and measure thinnest point and see exactly how much clearance you have!
Hey I’m glad u finally got some permatex assembly lube U should be using that in every thing I coat my piston with it and anything cams it’s great
Dude I think you got a sick moose racing dual throttle. I had one on my quad. There is a locking pin underneath somewhere you line up dots and pull the pin out so you can twist the throttle tube too!!
Hey! Love the videos man. Was watching your older videos and noticed you don't feature what I think is your brother anymore. Of course you have your own house and stuff but will we see him in a video again? Maybe more riding videos? Love the videos either way keep up the good work.
Should always have the company or shop that bores your cylinder to piston match when they do it. Take piston and cylinder to them so they can get it bored correct due to expansion when the piston and cylinder heat up, otherwise it will lock up once motor heats up.
Always piston march!!!
Sounds lean on both. I’d go up one on the pilot and two on the main. Needle in the middle position. Also please wrap the fuel line with high temp fuel line wrap. Good luck.
I used to put my cylinder jugs in the dishwasher….wooo boy did my Mom get pissed the first time I forgot to take it out of the dishwasher before she got home!
Great job !! Couldn't wait to see it finished
Cool! Love the video's man. Very relaxing and I also learn alot from it
i would maybe just wait for warmer weather to go hard on it. sounds great!
everyone knew you were gonna fix it. Your literally amazing when it comes to this kind of stuff. Love the content
Good job, glad to see it up and running.
Sometimes big bores actually need a smaller main because that bigger piston pulls a big vacuum and more fuel from the carb. My KX500 with 88mm bore ended up very close to stock the main at 170. Pilot went from a 65 to 52.
Okay sorry I had to read this multiple times.
YOU BORED A……. 500 TWO STROKE?
Do you want a coffin on wheels? My dude that’s insane. It’s awesome but like. Oh my gosh unnecessary much?
@@RB-pr2lyBoring a cylinder isn't really done for increasing displacement or power. It's a matter of cost. If the cylinder is damaged it must be bored in order bring back a smooth and consistent surface for the rings to seal against. Other options, a replacement cylinder or resleeve, is very expensive. Boring a single cylinder engine doesn't even really create a significant power increase anyway.
Man I'd love too drop my 400ex off too you for fixing! You make it look simple, well done!
lazer temp gun might aid in saving a top end while doin break in or testing a new machine! awesome work!
If I was taking everything apart that many times I would have repainted the engine and frame to look new
Thanks for the video but I was surprised at the relative lack of measurement accuracy in relation to the piston-to-head clearance and thus the compression ratio, as compared with piston-bore clearance and ring gaps. As you found, gaskets compress and a metal spacer might have been better - thick enough to achieve the desired cyl head capacity and thus compression ratio.
Sickkk!!! Dude keep up the good work 👍🏽
When you're done scrubbing it out, dry and spray with wd 40 itll, protect from surface rust and dissapate any water still in it.. great vid, bas ass quad!!!
Been binge watching these 😂 just picked up an 02 xr80r for $270 “needs carb” apparently then also picked up a 07 yz450f for $800 with no spark
I think were running to lean! then goes and does a bunch of doughnuts, Im just kiddin bud! Glad you got it running again, I just built a Dt200 37f swapped Blaster with working ypvs, dynoport exhaust, 35pwk, I used the Dt200 transmission for taller gears so I need a smaller front sprocket I havent rode it yet just a few heat cycles
Let's goo love the videos man. Cann you do another xr250r because mine makes alot of top end noise
Great job. Really enjoy your efforts
Good luck man!!
YESSSS, I have been waiting for this video since Friday. Hold up at 15:34 in the background there's a utility quad is that a future video possibly???
yep!
Good Job on engine hope it hold's up. I think I see a "Next build" Polaris 4x4 "red rear rack" lol 29:26. How cold is it now, that Green Bay lost last night.
Did you really adjust the idle speed by adjusting the cable? Please tell me you didn't.
If you're unsure of jetting buy all the jets several sizes bigger and several spark plugs. Throw a huge one in and feel it big out past 3/4 throttle. Keep dropping one size at a time until it cleans up and revs out past 3/4 throttle. Then do a plug chop, cut the thread off and measure the smoke ring. Keep leaning out from there. Oh and tune your pilot circuit first as that does have a small effect on your WOT mixture.
Yes he did, adjust the idle at the throttle 🤣
He doesn't know any better.
Nice job, I didn't think this would ever get fixed.
Instead of soapy water use a tack rag that you use for auto painting, works great!!! Great job.
Hope you’re well ☺️loving the vids
Been waiting for this 🤘🏾🤘🏾💯
Yes I have been waiting for this episode..
Good to see you got it fixed.
Super stoked on the outcome for the banshee 😁😁
glad you finaly got it man !!
Awesome man! I knew you’d get er!
It sounds amazing!! Excellent work on rebuilding that monster. Btw, what brand are the rims?
I think your right it sounds lean in the top end should not rev out like a 250 or 125 the rings get hot expand and ends but together.
Yeah actually did a pretty good job after all I'm surprised it's running with that many bass gaskets hopefully you don't have a leak
At 41:18 sounds great! So maybe the jetting is good... but still I'd do some adjusting.
Sickkkkkk glad you fixed it 💪
Just double check jetting with plug chops.. to get a real true reading i always cut the threads off to see the burn up in the plug!
your persistence is amazing... congrats on getting her going!! are you going to keep it or sell?
Been waiting for this glad to see it finally fixed great work
Glad you got it going brother
Great video man
You're awesome tho bud for sure..u remind me of a buddy I have who can rip anything apart and put it together jus is nice when it cums to builds man ..
WOW, so happy that you finally got this bad boy running, and hopefully it will give you plenty of fun. Just one thing, are the front tyres rotating in the right direction?
Change you gas oil mix after break in to 32 or 40:1. We like watching your vids at sgop before day starts, great job..
My leg 🦵 hurts just by watching you bro good Job
Nice job man 👍
Congratulations. 3rd times a charm
I have a 89 Quadzilla I drilled a hole in the side of the head next to the head stud tapped it for 1/8 pipe and installed a compression release off a chain saw cuz I'm 62
Get some needle files. That way can take the jet in it bore it out to where is correct.
You just needed a oversized head gasket but 3 base gaskets will work too I guess I’m just not a fan of stacking gaskets there’s a chance they won’t seal when stacked. And like I said before Suzuki lt500r is a unreliable pos you best sale it before it goes down again because it won’t last long.
ever get the thrush washers installed in the crank assembly? according to the drawings there should be one on each side of the rod. i didnt see them. tons of slop in that thing.
That breakin ride sounds exactly how i ride on the ice with my little 50cc since the tires are horrible and all that
Is the carb fully cleaned? Right size pilot etc? Seems harder to start and runs a little more rough than a crisply jetted Zilla.