The Problem With Not Having an Identity
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2023
- In this video, Dr. Peterson argues that ideologies are dangerous because of their one-sided nature. Any coherent ordering principle is better than none, as individuals need some form of structure to grapple with the fundamental existential problems of life. Without an archetypal rooting of identity, individuals may feel incomplete and lack motivation, making them susceptible to doubt and anxiety.
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Jesus, I’ve been listening the JP for years now, and every now and then, I still come across a video that blows my mind. He makes me have faith in life in the hardest moments and want to spread this knowledge to others. How have we been so starved off this quality teaching for so long.
Same experience, he's a true gem
@do abuse phone absolutely!
Be careful with that name.
Emotion rising tells me I'm growing...
In my case I was in religiously topics and
Subjects that got me in alor of trouble I stopped putting it out there because no one takes mature subjects well respect if your young it's a oddity ,
I’ve never heard someone talking in this way. Incredibly gifted man, treasure to humanity.
Same here. And I have seen a lot of philosophy classes. Simply his eloquence alone is astonishing.
He dedicated his life to conservative values and is actually making an insane contribution.
@@Spartan-Of-Truth what do you mean exactly?
I listened him alot and didn’t notice smt wrong.
Yeah, he's got most wienery voice ever
so much to learn in 12 minutes of an enlightening lecture by Dr Petersen. I had to listen to it a couple of times to grasp deeper the depths of his teachings...Incredible!
Me too... what he teaches here is why people benefit so much from finding and keeping their family history, as was done in the Holy Bible. There are some websites that can help you do that for free. One is called familysearch by the LDS
Thank, Dr Peterson, freedom through discipline is grossly underrated. I liken that to going through the rigors of learning a language to later become an author.
If you enjoy topics about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would respect.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
All the best to you!
So beyond true. Stuck because of emotional pain and chaos. I have been a failure all my life due to all that. Now I am battling trying to care to be different. I stopped caring as a child and I suffered immensely since then. To change is like making a right handed person write a novel left handed.
Same here.
It sometimes helps if we try to see things we don't understand and try to emulate in the spaces we thin we lack it's been hard for me to be different in a pretty cookie cutter world maybe if compassion for others is all achieve then it's not a failure is it ,
Only to those who place their values elsewhere and that's ok too.
“A righteous man falls seven times and gets back up”. Having true courage or righteousness means you try every day even with the knowledge of your terrible past, and even with the knowledge there’s a good chance you’ll fail.
@@johnkuhns Amen. God has been doing that work in me and I have been changing my perspective to be able to get back up instead of laying down and accepting defeat. Quelling the panic and quieting the discouraging thoughts is a skill not everyone has or has been taught. I am beginning to add exercise to my changes and I have applied your concept to that in various ways because just like mental health, exercise is another area to practice it. I had told myself for so long, it didn't matter, that I convinced myself it didnt. Until I began to tell myself it mattered change could not happen. Now I say, I will try and if I fail at least I will try. The self talk we do matters too and if you say you cant well then you definitely wont. Saying I will try, actually does help
The clips and lectures from his university days are so damn good
He was working with a lot more marbles back then.
Thanks Jordan I really hope more people vill listen to you more every day. And they will I beg for.Thanks again. Love to ourselves is the key to treat others with compassion.
If you enjoy topics about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would respect.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
All the best to you!
I feel like I’m uploading so much data when JP talks. Love you man
Dr Peterson, thank you for all that you do. It means a lot to me personally, and perhaps the broader civilization. I wish you the best as you challenge the given narrative.
Thank you, Sir J.B.P.
As much as i dig the pre-political Dr Peterson’s mister-Rogers-neighborhood look, i love his suits now. They make his wardrobe look as organized as his brain seems to be
They’re also more fun. He experiments a lot and there is meaning behind a lot of the suits he wears. Self expression is a god send for men
To not be aware of what your own identity is, is to forever never understand what will make you happy- as you don't even know who you actually ARE. Well said, yet again Mr. Peterson.You never cease to take words right from my brain, I love your way of explaining things.
Buddhism and Daoism see this differently.
@@bcataiji how so?
@@laceybertram1111 , in Buddhism and Daoism , you work on gradually stripping away your identity and mental reference points so eventually you experience things directly without all the mental games.
@@bcataijiidentity seems to be a conglomeration of assumptions to easily curate experience, as opposed to taking experience at face value.
@@Bobin10101 , yes, it is both limiting and lazy
Dr. Peterson definitely reminds me of my college professors in the way he uses all theses analogies with whatever he's talking about. He knows exactly how to reach to people on a personal level, wile making an extremely valid point at the same time. I could listen to these lectures all day!
Can you tell me one of these valid points he makes?
@@gracemosier8401 OK, give me your strongest or best point. Anybody can encourage people to get their act tegether. That does not explain his mass following. To me he is selling something as common as bread but I see his followers going around saying 'Oh wow! Bread!' as if they had nevr seen bread before.
@@kevinkelly2162 Oh yeah, I can see your point for sure! He definitely says things that are pretty obvious. And showing his ideas leaning more to the right I think he wants to show the structure of why people should manifest wealth and profess individual power (in a healthy way), less with greed and unhealthy relationships. Yeah, this also sounds pretty repetitive. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Jordan is a psychologist, so of course with the way he speaks he comes off as a very sensual person that people can relate to. Thats why many people love him.
As for his valid point. He believes in what is right and just over the most controversial topics.
He is logical, he is valid in the way he speaks to people.
Sure :) JP believes in taking responsibility for personal failings rather than always blaming someone else; at the same time, he acknowledges that external factors have (obviously) real and long lasting effects on people (such as dysfunctional personalities and family dynamics).
This is a foundational belief and until you let go of your expectation that you're owed other people fixing your problems, you'll never know how freeing it is. It's important to get an apology where possible, it's important to talk and work through your past and how you've been treated. But ultimately you do damage to yourself and even to those around you if you keep leaning into resentment and anger.
@@kevinkelly2162 Perhaps if you find everything Dr. Peterson says "obvious" and you know so much more than him, you should try helping people become as smart and capable as you are?
Need JP to do more uni room lectures recordings. He has such a good flow in these settings and makes you feel, as a watcher and / or listener on UA-cam, part of the class.
If you enjoy topics about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would respect.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
All the best to you!
watch his full lectures they are very very intersting
Lol that's another inconsistency that makes my life unbalanced I'm a female but it amore masculine body and maybe mentality sometimes that really shows how uncomfortable I feel now for playing in and chasing lizards instof learning more feminine arts like hair and makeup the the whole mom just never let it happen naturally and at 50 the time kinda past anyway so I feel com in my jeans and t-shirt that even thing of
Buying a dress causes much anxety
Thank you for posting this Sir!😊 I will watch this series to learn more, about Identity
It is a wonderful series.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything
So so true. I notice that I have never met a non-binary person who has a strong sense of self yet they do have a lot of labels. Strong sense of self meaning confidence, self-worth, self-love and empowerment. Had some friends who are like this and they seem to have either borderline or bipolar disorder - and they get jealous easily of people. They feel uncomfortable around confident, thriving and happy people. That's my observation
Edit:
And yes, they label people who are confident, thriving and happy people as "normal", Kinda demean non non-binary people by calling me cis because they're not like "them".
What's sad is that you can actually develop an identity in some cases, and overcome that. It took me roughly 20 years to stop trying to imitate people I had met as a child. Totally life disrupting. But at least I am myself, now.
@@llIlIlllIIYes. I am also heartened to hear this for you.
My friend it's not your observation, it's actually the truth.
Those people are, by my experience, most likely neurotic, I would bet my head that have low IQ, and are (the majority of them at least) females.
They genuinely don't know how to have fun or enjoy life whatsoever. They are prone to be envious of others as you stated and they see other people's happiness as some sort of threat.
Since they cannot be happy due to their stupid decissions and the fact that they spend nearly 0 seconds of the day in analysing themselves, their decissions and information all around the environment, and of course, the Internet, they project the guilt (which is mainly theirs) in the other people. Do you know who are more prone to be "the guilty ones"? The ones that don't support this pathological radical left ideas that prey on autistic people, teenagers, single-parent raised kids and low socio-economic families.
Have not experienced this. Have multiple non binary friends and they have low self worth and low self confidence.
I have. Once. I knew something was up with this dude by how he giggled at my jokes. I to this day grant him the respect of another man.
That being said, again, one time. Out of a lot. Lol.
JP is the man for still putting out these philosophical lecture clips.
thats why I m so sad about those who focus on sexuality as their only identity or on their politics as their own identity or on their race as their own identity. It must be so horrble to live like that :( I guess they are realy hurt becouse they dont have development of identity but this hurt is done by them.
Just perverts and racists, my friend.
Its a long road tob discovering how much childhood experiences scared us to stoo doing or even dislike what we really once loved
Yes he did eventually go back for the drink. Stay on track!
I was told some terrible things about what happened to me as a kid this year. There were so many signs but my dad was a door to door salesman and I would throw a massive fit every time he left for work. I wet the bed. I was precocious. It was an aunt. I was a juvenile until I was twenty-two or three. I was an alcoholic until two years ago. Quit cold turkey. In my forties and I have no clue who I am. Where the time went or what was ever happening to me. Developed a relationship with a narcissist at a young age. I needed this video.
This is the most casual clothing ive ever seen JBP wear, and hes still more dapper than most people.
He started wearing suits once he was thrust into Public spotlight in 2019, he decided he wanted to present himself as maturely as possible knowing we all look up to him
He looks more like Mr. Rogers here
Go to his actual channel (not his clips channel) and look at some of his videos from 2016 and 2017. He's become steadily more formal in his dress in the past few years.
Every girl's crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man. ZZ Top!
Mr Peterson's mind is what is most attractive. KNOWLEDGE is power. We the People have been dumbed down to crayons and fighting over race thanks to the brainwashing idiot box!
A great high value man.
To my understanding, he warns us not to have a static clarity that can make us highly judgmental, and also not to have an irregular form of views that led us disoriented. His suggestion starts at 11:58.
Listening to Jordan Peterson is hypnotizing in the best way possible.
We love you Dr Peterson
Identity is mostly expressed with others, not just by yourself alone. That's why community is important, and is double edged. That's why long term loneliness can make someone depressed. Social medias created fake communities. Identity is your individuality transformed by the contact of others, by the love, share, the friendship you give to someone else, and the recognition you receive from them. We exist with others, or we don't. Romain Gary and Witold Gombrowicz wrote about this subject in similar ways. Maybe that's one of the things Jesus meant when he said "Love your neighbor as yourself."
True, we need others but sometimes alone time with God and his world is helpful in replenishing our individualistic energy.
"It is difficult to know yourself if you do not know others." -Miyamoto Musashi (The Book of Five Rings)
Imagine being a student in his classes, I have imagined this, I know I would have been totally captivated in ore of his brilliant mind, I wonder if any of them realised they were in the presence of a genius, I wonder as when I first watched professor Jordan peterson, I knew it, and shared him immediately,
Wow, this kinda maps my struggle with identity. 'Ideological narrative that's parasitical in nature' made me think of the cuckoo metaphor; unsuspecting, victim parents raising an imposter egg which mysteriously ended up in their care but they didn’t realize they’d been tricked until the bird outgrew the nest and outgrew their ability to feed it. Only then did they perhaps realize all their time and investment had been stolen or garnered by the deception of this imposter.
This is what happened to part of my identity. My mother found out around age 27 that she was an artist - she had to discover this on her own and when she did, everything made sense to her and fell into place. So, she thought that I too must be an artist and she didn’t want me to go through what she went through, so she made sure to plant this ‘you are an artist’ narrative in me as early as two years old. But…she didn’t let me go through the discovery stage of who I might actually be. My whole life I nurtured an idea she planted in me thinking it was my identity when it was not. It never fit properly in my nest and I could never grow or increase the success of it no matter how much I fed it. This was a major life trajectory mishap for me. Especially when I had no one to challenge it, “..profound doubts are met with equivalent force”…they all simply enforced the (imposter) narrative.
It’s like the spin top in the movie ‘Inception’, Cobb hid Mal’s spin top (hid her reality) in a deeper stage of dream-state so then she could not discern whether the reality she was experiencing was real or a dream. It did not end well for either of them.
The absolute saving grace is what you said about “Rooting your identity in the archetypal”…I identify on the level of soul with Christ which is a stable foundation to build upon - the artist identity is an offshoot that can affect many of things, but not the absolute foundation. God’s word is in fact the ‘determinant structure’ that ordered my thinking and sorted all these other aspects out through thought and prayer. But it took me a long time to gain that understanding, the spin top was hidden at a depth not so easily reached. Not withstanding everything else, I’m in a phase of rebuilding/reshaping my identity. The discipline, the structure, the routine..all that, I’m implementing all that. Not fun right now, but necessary. Your work helps me in doing this; I can’t emphasize enough the positive impact it’s had on my life.
Yes, to recognize your own identity is liberating and to have good guidance can save a lot of time getting there, but it takes another level of understanding altogether to realize that it must be done by everybody on his or her own. I understand: what I wouldn't give to see myself properly ten years ago. Teaching and mentoring are in my opinion ways of helping and even accelerating that search, but it has to be done with minimal steering or it's counterproductive. I like parents who let their children try out various sports and arts, musical instruments, and so on. You give them the chance to find whatever it is that they want to put into their identity. It's when one identity starts seeing success that the fixations come out and you start getting steered (and let's be honest, your own brain is recruited to the effort, if encouragement is there).
It's complicated. One minor example is how I didn't realize how much I liked playing music until I quit doing the lessons that made me think it was a chore. It might have seemed like good advice to tell me to give it up entirely because I wasn't enjoying it, but you could easily have argued instead that my persistence was a sign that I did actually like it. But I think that's where the outside observer's perception hits a wall, until they start listening to you - people frustrate themselves by trying to come to a solution with too little information, information that you may have, or may need to be allowed to seek yourself. Even to know what you think of something requires taking a level of personal authority and experimenting, but experimenting means risk, and involved parents can be too scared of watching you take a risk. And after all, wasn't the point of all their impotent suffering before they solidified their identity to speed you along, to keep you from suffering? There are imminently valid, but chronologically toxic justifications for keeping you from yourself.
Anyway, the problem I had wasn't with structure itself, or even with the structure at that time in my life, but that it wasn't me making the structure myself. Until you make some changes and take some chances, and learn about your reactions to failure, the opportunity costs of leaving some things behind, and so on, I think it's hard to know what you actually value. To me, rebellion is the healthy instinct to go "it's my life to damage as I please", which is the entry point to asserting a value separate from that of your parents - and it's only a complete zealot who denies that other goals and ways of life are worthy. You find out important things that were not damaging after all. And you find out that your parents were at times right because of experience, but at critical moments wrong about what will work for you: they have experience of very nearly being you, but not of being you. It's frustrating to be misunderstood, but even more frustrating when you see that a confidently held misconception is blocking the vision that would allow you, or others, to see you for who you are. I wonder if your mother's parents planned out an identity for her, too.
@@sorceproject You’re right, our mind can be very influential. So many instances where if only I knew more at those times I stood staring at the fork in the road, I’d have taken the other path. Every now-and-then though, I got it right. So the cumulative has worked to the positive rather than the negative. I thank God for that.
Did you stick with your music? You’re a singer, that’s awesome:)
My grandmother taught professional dance classes. Mom also was an excellent dancer and had a career going in the direction of tv. So maybe she was encouraged in a direction she didn’t choose for herself. She left all the glamour of it and married my father, a responsible hometown farmer. But he could dance! Opposites attract sometimes, they were good for each other.
I think when parents have issues with boundaries they can take, 'this is my child that's nearly like me' too far. It gets into enmeshment or 'this child is an extension of me'. This is a difficult situation.
“Even to know what you think of something requires taking a level of personal authority and experimenting, but experimenting means risk..” Very true.
I want to thank you for sharing. This does resonate with me.
JP is a master of making simple things sound deep to an audience that doesn’t read.
Very interesting
Gifted with the Knowledge and a Tesla battery mouth. He was sooo into the speech he forgot he wanted to drink some water. @5:28 This guy could talk... Damn i wish I was half that talkative. Wait i am, like most ppl after a few drinks😂. ❤U JP.
Great leasson as always. I have a doubt: In 3.07 he talks about consensual morality, what is that? This seems to be linked whit varios "things" nested inside each other and your identity shoud address every one of them, what are those things? Thank you🎉
On point
“Since the possession of attributes is an illusion, Subhuti, and no possession of attributes is no illusion, by means of attributes that are no attributes the Tathagata can, indeed, be seen." - Diamond Sutra
To solve a problem, don't just understand the problem. Get yourself informed through practical experience, and play the meta-game of predicting and comparing potential futures.
Thanks so much for your lessons, Pescador de Hombres. I would love to meet you one day, although I don't know what I'd say. I might be speechless with the shock, but If I do meet you I shall say THANK YOU. The Gates of Hades shall not prevail.
If Im not mistaken he hasn’t given lessons like this for a long time, that’s a shame
I had that at about 11:00 . Except I encountered the malevolence in my self. It destroyed me for like 10 years... Still recovering
If you enjoy topics about masculinity and mastery, I invite you to explore the videos I share on the Mastery Order Channel.
Challenge yourself with some concepts about manhood, explore your masculine potential to the maximum and become the kind of man you would respect.
We can only better ourselves together, as men among men, so I invite you to use what I share and, of course, share your own opinions so that others can benefit from them as well.
All the best to you!
Jordan Peterson is one of the greatest Theologians, Preachers, Teachers, Speakers of our time. His teachings blend Faith, Science, Philosophy, Psychology, etc. in a way that I haven't seen from anyone else.
done.
Can someone please explain this so that a simple person like myself can understand what he is saying? Thank you very much!
Hi there fellow human being, I can only tell you my interpretation since I am not an expert nor english is my first language.
First Jordan talks about Ideology and structure. Think of an Ideology as a certain set of statements abouts reality (yourself included), for example christianity is an Ideology:
1) there is a God that has a will and cares about humans; 2)ecc.
There are to sides to his argument: on one hand you should avoid becoming ideologically possesed, but on the other hand you should have some ideological structure that hold you in place. Whats the meaning of those words?
Let's explore the first side. Being ideologically possesed means that you let a couple of ideologies define you, this can make you oblivious to all possible views about a topic, because in order to protect yourself you villify and attack any statement that contraddicts your ideology. A simplified example to why this is dangerous is:
consider the following statement about an aspect of reality,
"All humans are rotten and humatity is destined to fail and go extinct", if you only believe in this statement you are blind and become vengeful. Of course You and I know that the previous statement is not the whole story, what about all the people who try to make the world a better place? of course, aknowledging the other side doesn't mean that humanity will not sel-destruct, but at least gives you another point of view from wich you can tackle this problem.
In the second part of the argument Jordan claims that, inspite of ideologies being dangerous, we humans need an ideological structure: a set of rules that arises from a set of beliefs that in part defines us, this helps us interpret the world but also withstand the impact of the various blows life throws at us. If your identity is "powerful" enough, you can face some of the most profound and scary questions you might have.
So ideologies are both dangerous and necessary, hence, you should very much be careful to what ideologies you embrace and what are the concequences for you and the people in your surroundings.
Jordan then talks about one special view you could have about reality, that is " your life can be seen as the interaction between the known and the unknown; order and chaos; the observer and the outside physical reality". This statement applies to various levels of analysis and represents an archetype (you can google:"the hero's journey), an example could be you moving to another city by youself: in this case the environment that surronds you is mostly unknown,for whatever reason you left the explored territory of your hometown to obtain something from the unexplored territory.
At this point you might say:" okay, your life can be seen as the interaction between the known and the unknown... so what?", having such a view can be helpul because this statement has a lot of concequences, I am not an expert so I don't know what all of those are, but one can be: " It is better for you if you treat yourself as if you were someone you love". That is a statement about how you should conduct yourself, and it is far from useless, because doing so is simply good for you.
Going back to the contrast between explored and unexplored we can assign to both of them a positive and a negative side:
order can be useful because 'it provides the structure that informs and protects you' but can chain you up and crash you, and chaos can clearly kill you because is dangerous ouside, but is 'also the place you need to go when you are static and dead, and you need more life and more information'(a dive into the underwolrd).
Mind that this is a lesson, so it is surely just a part of a broader discussion.
In my opinion, all that i wrote past the definition of ideology is an ideology itself, you could argue against anithing written in here and it is possible to make reasonable arguments.
I think that being exposed to this kind of ideas can help you be more aware of various aspects of reality, and give you more tools to make your only story a story you are glad to live, I encourage you to connect your own dots and watch other cool videos:)
He is basicly talking about the "meaning of life" and people ask "what is he talking about?".
Dr Peterson, since years, talks about how your interactions form you, how having a strong father in your life or how your parents, friends or family will determine your world view and mindset.
Ironicly you need to have some lifexperience or understanding (or should i say an IDEA) of what he is talking about to understand it.
I think the best way to discripe this would be to say "do you remember the first time you were in love? And then got your hearth broken?" You thought it was the worst thing ever and then you get over it and your "identity" outgrows the first emotion. Right now what people that dont understand this feel is "i dont get it... i dont want to be the stupid one, so HE is the one talking nonsense and i'm good" to not hurt your own ego/identity and keep your mind stable.
Sometimes I feel like my life is nonsensical as if all the problems sorrounded me - both political and private problems. Well, then I often remember that I could've died at birth or some weeks later but I was saved by some capable doctor. Who was enough capable and good to save me by using not their general procedures becouse they just ended with their profesional abilities to help me, but using what you can call "traditional medicine" or "folk medicine". And now I sometimes wonder what was my task? For what task I was saved ? And I try to imagine such task, construct it for myself, and I then become less sad and less lazy and less lonely and have more motivation and more striving toward important values than toward wishes of my ego, my trivial wishes becouse I want to find this task. :)
To supply you with some Eastern philosophy:
The task is this. All of it. As long as you are seeking, you are pretending you don't know what it is, but that is what we humans do - if you look to hard, you will never see what is right in front of you 😉
@@SlurpKing100 I m not pretending - how dare u to suggest it?
@@TallisKeeton Sorry, didn't mean to offend, it's just some stuff I read and heard that happend to resonate. It's just another way of saying follow your heart and not your ego. Trying to hard to do that is what some consider the ego taking over - instead of thinking about how to do it, just do it.
Sounds like you're doing great tho so keep at it ✌
@@SlurpKing100 oh, ok. :) thats what the problem seems to be - I want to do some thing (its about writing a very ambitious work) and I want to accept it as my main task (in accordance to my guess that I was saved to do some thing - when I feel very lonely and cannot grasp any goal or sense I remind myself that maybe I was saved for something :) ) but at the same time becouse of many reasons (including my shy charachter I guess) I have problem with accepting the task (I want to do) becouse what I m afraid that this task can be seen (esp by others) as smt too ambitious and as ego - inspired not inspired by what I truely want to do to help society. esp younger generation.
@@SlurpKing100 instead of thinking about how to do it, just do it.
Well actualy in that case thinking how to do it and planning is properly a good thing :)
I have a strong Ethos, weak identity. Name tag not needed with strong Values and Ethics.
Call me what you will, I shall continue living as a Powerful Individual.
Practice is good.
Peterson "Clean your Room" is a good practice to start for those lost in Chaos.
I watched these university lectures of the noble Dr Peterson for 2 years, without skipping a day- 700 plus days in a row. One thing i wish could be addressed - Dr Peterson connects a long line of ideas very rapidly - i would like to be able to
interject a new idea into one of his long line of interconnecting ideas. as a matter of fact. i would like to mention HALF the world believes in reincarnation. I want to apply this way… i dealt with an ordeal of 20 years from birth… i conceptualize the suffering not so much eg my mom was not balanced - but rather cosmically. namely I DESERVED EARNED my childhood adolescent suffering - from my own past life actions. no less a thinker as Emerson ( General Patton - Elvis Presley , Napoleon, Steve Jobs. The Himalayan Yogis, Thoreau, Henry Ford, Edison, Lincoln, Tom Cruise, Mark Twain, Keanu, Nicole Kidman, J Aniston, Tolstoy, Gandhi, Albert Schweitzer, Ben Franklin, and billions more ) believed in this Philosophy. I wish Jordan would address this concept. Just listen to this excellent lecture but ADD reincarnation ( we have lived many
lives ) merged with Karma
Everyone has their own beliefs, however, reincarnation is a fairly hard concept to show any kind of basis to at all.
@@Andrew-FKF if you wants facts then any religion is not the way to go.. also reincarnation is most popular because it the nicest outcome on the face of it.
Yes I concur. Life long learning is far better the wilful ignorance. I’ve certainly be learning there to me than I knew. History flow through the veins as they say? All the great of the past are in someways related? I give yourself a chance assimilated that? Exactly how will take so study. They may be separated by generations but the have link going way back. I see a lot of my self here trying to understand myself. Trying to grasp the fullness of reality. Hold to that which is true. If I’m right the we have something major coming? It so big it will not easily be fathomed. It will shock many to the core. They thought they knew to find there alway more to know. Many will be dogmatic try to deny their eyes because the truth is overwhelming. There enough genetic studies going on to say there something huge about to be discovered? New understanding of sorts? A reframing of things? Then there will be a broader understanding of what is and what was.
Yes, young ones, enjoy discovering your identity, and make the best of it. As you age, you will need to let that identity go because, in the end, we are our identity.
10:48 Grr! Yep, back into the deep…
You are so close to the truth JP! This generation is suffering from identity confusion because they are turning from God to themselves as their identity. Our true identity must be in Christ, as St. Paul says "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." We are all created in the image of God, but separated from Him through our sin, but can be reconciled to Him through the death and ressurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Place your identity in Christ and you will be saved, not only from meaninglessness in this life, but also for all eternity.
Wrong. I'm A Jewish and you're wrong!!!
I have been watching Peterson on and off. I realised pretty early on that I actually might be better off if I believed in god. It could solve my existential questions and fear of death for example. Only thing stopping me is the logical leap I would have to take to get there. I can't fake belief. I am a rational/logical being, I (sometimes) pride myself on that.
So basically even if believing in god would make me feel better I can't because I don't have the willingness to close my eyes and ignore the lack of proof.
I'd suggest practices that take you away from the thinking logical mind. It was not created to see God/ the divine/ higher power, it was created to navigate the physical plane, asses danger and seek food and shelter. Apart from that, your logical mind can take you no where.
Seriously take a look at meditation, such as those performed by Mooji. He's very barebones. What you may get to percieve directly is that your thoughts are not your true self, the voice in your head is a created identity from all the events of your life. The self you were when you were just born, no thought and logic, just raw experience from an I perspective still exists inside you, and that self is in direct contact with the divine, higher power, god, christ, whatever you want to call it. There is an all pervading order that underlies the structure of existence that is so subtle, that loud thoughts and reasoning obstruct it.
Lol that’s sad bro,how can you want answers but not willing to change your mindset🤣🤣🤣
Perhaps people are “beset by doubts and beset by anxieties” BECAUSE of their identifications. What about actually knowing who you are instead of latching on to some identity which ultimately isn’t you?
If we could stop the mind, and take time to really think from the heart, our true master steps out of ourselves and greets us at the gate of love...
Sadguru JV says, all our issues and suffering comes form having a firm identity. Our intellect protects what it identifies with. So not having any identity is the way into having a fulfilled life. Constantly looking for the answer, who and what we are. Constantly being immersed in the processes of life as it is, not as we define it to be.
I find this to be more true. Finding who you are, not by who you think you are, but by understanding what you are not. Negating from false self's alleviates a lot of suffering. This is like the main spiritual concept to understand but it is not easy considering most of the world is westernised into doing & having rather than being which only requires surrender
@@Phuzz828 The fun thing is; when one listens to the words, he speaks, he quite quickly gets the truth. Words carry a lot of wisdom.
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I wouldn't get TOO caught up with the trap of identity.
I would really for like him to contend with eastern philosophy more. From what I've gathered, he doesn't really get much about it whenever he talks about it (like daoism for example).
"Not only win a game, but the set of all possible games". Ah yes, what a fun game that is. "Solve the problem of the set of all problems". I love how he is so passionate about this. To me tough, it's not what I would call healthy. Looks to me like he tries so hard, he totally misses the obvious. The "set of all problems"... is not a problem, if it was then it would be included in the set. The metagame is not something you win, it's simply something you play. He seems to be under the illusion that humanity needs to try harder because we haven't already figured it out.
I was thinking since this was a lecture on a test how many of you would get 80% and above
The concept he taught here is quite deep. I think I only get it at the surface level by listening to it just once.
Yes. No identity is the problem. When youth have no identity, youth will identify themselves into the most extreme stuff. And today, that extreme stuff is politic. I once like that, but now i just identify myself as "a programmer who likes beef".
I think the more truthful you identify yourself, the better it is
Programmer who likes beef💀💀💀
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Our souls would have
1. No spatial extension
2. Zero size
3. Exact location only
Quarks have mass but no size, so no spatial extension. 0D.
What is the definition of zero in math?
Zero is the integer denoted 0 that, when used as a counting number, means that no objects are present. It is the only integer (and, in fact, the only real number) that is neither negative nor positive. A number which is not zero is said to be nonzero. A root of a function is also sometimes known as "a zero of ."
Any non-zero number to the zero power equals one.
Zero to any positive exponent equals zero.
Zero is the subject where counting numbers are the objects.
[Subject]:
a thinking or feeling entity; the conscious mind; the ego, especially as opposed to anything external to the mind.
the central substance or core of a thing as opposed to its attributes.
[Object]:
a thing external to the thinking mind or subject.
What the f u talking about
To say quarks have no size is incorrect. To say those quarks can be localized depends upon the atom. Quarks are located within atoms, so we can say SOMETHING about their size, but what is more important is their spin. There are many quarks, by the way, each which do strange things, but there is certainly no ZERO when it comes to the soul.
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You can Google it. Mass but no size. Measured in Megaelectron Volts.
there are lots of people that don't have an identity, it's called spiritually enlightenment or ego death.
To have known about the climate scam before the whole thing must have been possibly quite irritating.
Try having Neptune rising in your birth chart. I have an identity through my artwork but if you know astrology you’ll know Neptune rising (in my case very close to the ascendant line in the first house) can have an effect like there’s no boundaries between you and anything else.
What makes you think you are not the fruit of a partial story or do you think that you ve gathered knowledge from a multitude of books that you ve been reading you are not, while may be the majority of life essence knowledge is never been stored in books....
Discipline=freedom?
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Even a 0 takes a space 😮
" any coherent ordering principle is better than none ".
such text also can be " coherent ordering principle " for our choices and behaviours in the times of chaos. As order is better than chaos. But I suppose todays politics wants chaos more than order and thats why media are promoting any kind of chaotic behaviours and any kind of sick ideologies but eradicate the kind of behaviours and ideas which are seen as conservative becouse they are seen as anti-chaotic, pro-order. While all sick ideologies I've ever seen in medias for the last 20 years were pro-chaos, though actualy it was sold to people as pro-change. But no one ever told them if the said chage should be good for the people :D it was a trick all the time.
The sickest of all orders, fascism demands order.
@@kevinkelly2162 why fascism is the sickest of 3 totalitarian regimes of 20th century ? They all were absolutely horrible. And they all got elements of both left and right. But as they all were totalitarian regimes they all got mainly "left" element. Becouse "left" is always more about "group" identity, while "right" is always more about "individual" identity. and so left when striving toward its extreme becomes totalitarian regime, while the extremism of "right" is anarchy.
@@kevinkelly2162 nasism was more cruel than fascism toward its enemies and communism killed more ppl than both nasism and fashism.
@@TallisKeeton Gosh how fascin.........yawn.
@@kevinkelly2162 so why do you speak about fashism if you are not interested in this particular problem and find it boring ? :)
Totalitarian regimes are most horrible of orders - totalitarian means the strongest order, absolute enemy of individual freedom. Its not disorder of barbarism or chaos of anarchy but excess of order. Such is our future under the dominance of globalism - a future of dystopian totalitarian regime, like in those SF movies like "Farrenhait 451", "Harrison Bergeron", "Equilibrium".
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Oh Jordan, how to win the set of all possible games, in a word, enthusiasm...to enter the kingdom of heaven you must be like a child....
I don't think I even know what it means to have an identity
life in the west feels like such an empty waste of time
Your identity is what you enjoy,
who you have around,
where you spend your time,
what your goals are,
what you own,
what you present to people (your looks, and clothes, and living environment, your trash, especially your trash).
If you don't know these things you should bounce around for a while until you can write something down.
and definitely ask what others think
The only thing that matters is what you'd like do to and enjoy in life, nevermind anybody else
People think tooooooo much haha.. yes all of you..
well trained disciplined person....the most dangerous
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Isn’t consensual morality limited by the society that agreed upon it? What if the archetypical grounding consists of tyrannical and unethical soil? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of limiting the chaos that can come from the unknown?
I identify as dead 💀
Ok... Let's delve into this one, shall we,?
*Jordan jumps up from underneath a table wearing a Batman Costume and in his best 'Michael Keaton' intones 'We Shall'!
So, the first premise offered I appears is that, 'not having an identity, leaves you incomplete'.
So, first of all, I'd argue that unless you're some 'hobo' living a life of solitude in some forest, you're always going to have identy whether you like it or not.
All of my friends, and acquaintances, and 'lady's of the night' that I frequented all have stories, perceptions, anecdotes, etc.
Oh... I'm selling all my sexy and scandalous 'Lady of The Night narrated stories for 69.69. Order yours today... While quantities last.
So, not to worry in that regard.
Ok... Next... 'Something in reference to identities help you deal with with Existential Problems of life.
In my experience very often when people are not in the best headspace, they often become preoccupied with trying to invent a new identity.
I've seen it myriad times.
It's not a positive thing, though.
That's what people do when their in crisis.
If you don't feel that ab identity change is imperative then you should be happy. You're doing alright!
The next premise is that the identity has to be rooted in some archetypal foundation.
This one, I completely disagree with.
If I undetand you correctly, you're suggesting that somewhere within this manifold of existence, there's a specific archetype that perfectly compliments this identity.
That's 'Fairy Tale Talk'.
It reminds me of Huserl's ridiculous belief that there's a Magical Objective Essence that provides meaning to every phenomelogical Experience.
Ok... So, the identity must be 'deep' or my soul will cry out in pain.
I think I'm ok. I dont feel like living in Fairy Tale Land. I don't want to create fake personnas and nonsense to convince myself that my identity is somehow 'deep'.
I'm not walking up to people and saying 'Yeah... Ummmm... If you want my autograph, you'd better act now cause ummmm..
My identity is 'deep'.
In Sartreic Tradition 'Existence preceeds Essence'.
As such 'Doing Dictates Identity'.
So right now my identity is 'A Typer' because I'm typing.
Simple, accurate, everyone understands it. Perfect!
Ok. You just mentioned something very important. You said 'intense suffering'.
I have OCD and for about two years I suffered in abject agony. My disturbing intrusive thoughts became audible and would race through my psyche over and over and and over and over, never stopping. I was always having panic attacks of the most intense variety. It was such unbelievable Torment. But, it got better.
So, because if that I can really enjoy the simple things in life.
I don't need anything extravagant.
I'm just lying on my bed chewing nicotine gum and I'm content. Why? Because I'm not suffering.
On the surface, this appears to stand in contradiction to the basics of Buddhism and Daoism. And no, your identity would not be a Buddhist, for instance. Buddhism is just a tool. Think of it as a raft that helps you cross a river. Once you get to the other side, you do not put the raft on your back and carry it around with you.
Buddhism is winning the metagame in the game of life. Seeing the self as connected to the infinite whole allows you to see beyond the existential crisis that is life.
Until you allow God to inform you "what" you are, you will never come to an understanding of "who" you are. Identity begins with the basic reality, you are a creation of God. Identity is defined and refined by initial and continual discussions with God.
Proverbs 29:12((D.R.B.))👂🏽
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I am half man half benzo
Sorry i happen to like Dr. Peterson. But not everything he says is GOSPEL to me. Everyone HAS an identity . . . of sorts. But clearly it isn't the optimal identity. Romans 3:23 *All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.* Being a sinner is an identity . . . in my opinion. It simply isn't universally recognized in the world of business. Though in the USA Christian religions ARE a business . . . of sorts. And they know how to extract a sizeable chunk of change from their followers. I'm not saying be satisfied with being a mere sinner . . . one of billions on this planet. But in my opinion that's one reason so many with guns are taking destiny into their own hands so to speak. They want to stand out from all the other sinners without too much hard work. Like my analysis ???? . . . Dr. Peterson ? Of course maybe without realizing it they fall into the following trap. Matthew 7:13-14 *Enter in at the strait gate. For wide is the gate. And broad is the way that leads to destruction. And there are many who go in there. Because strait is the gate. And narrow is the way which leads to life. And there are few that find it.*
Jordan needs to talk to Rollo Tomassi.
Ha!
None works perfectly if it is through the body of our Lord Jesus Christ. From there our God given identity may be revealed.
To be in His loving service to our neighbor.
But this is now forgotten as post modern men try to be the one to sit in His seat. But end up in the seat made for the fallen world man was banished to.
The place of the unholy. The terrible trap set for the foolish who deny God. Or use God as their seat.
May our Lord have mercy.
Well don't grab the first self loathing believe system handed to you by another human. Only a human could turn an almighty into a murderer. Only a human could make an all knowing God into a creator who hates his creations. Only a human could make love into a weapon. There are finer uses for that great talent gifted to them. I hope one day we get the chance to live in the knowledge we have found. Ignorance chopping off our potential with the blade of belief.
Or you have a false identity... you might think you are a human...
I would love to have an onstage debate with Peterson. The topic question: "Is water wet and if so how and why?" I would let him blather on and wave his wiggly fingers in the air for twenty minutes. In rebuttal to his long winded explanation I would, without saying a word, throw a glass of waster in his face and say "wet".
Stop teaching those things new words so they can cry and be entitled about. Whats the thing that is hyper obsessive about randomn details ,when your smart a little, untill it punishes you for not being emotionaly obssesed to there liking.after which, finally ,the parasitic entitlement thing.
What's he talking about?
Some right-wing nonsense, probably.
@@FluffyBunny9002 it’s hilarious because he wasn’t conservative when he wrote maps of meaning, which is what this lecture was about. The leftists pushed him to the right when they were so egregious to him after the Canadian pronouns bill.
@5P his maps of meaning book explains identity and why it matters, so this lecture was about that chapter in his book
@@Pikawarps A transphobe gonna transphobe
@@FluffyBunny9002 Name calling isn't a substitute for an argument
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The soul is lacking an identity because it doesn't have one fundamentally, stories are for scared people who cannot accept this feeling as reality.
Jordan experiences the attachment stage of development with his parents, not the process of psychological oneness and separation.
As a boy, Jordan was made weak, beset by doubts, and beset by anxiety, by a father that cannot tolerate the internal sensations of his actual experience and relationship with his father.
Jordan's actual experience was made into nothing but suffering under the ever-looming gaze of his father's traumas and unconscious defense mechanisms.
Jordan's mind was forced to dissociate from his internal feedback by splitting into a psychological identity and shadow.
Jordan's identity would experience two-dimensional fictional stories, characters, and archetypes that would serve to keep his father's emotional chaos and intolerance of reality in abeyance. And also serve to help Jordan to cope and somewhat stabilize by disconnecting his internal feedback from his brutally developmentally unsupportive and antagonistic social environment.
He's fixated on the dominance hierarchy
@@RustyShakleford1 yes Jordan is fixated on protecting and precluding the-dominance-hierarchy-that-traumatized-him-and-created-his-identity from conscious consideration.
@@Mike_Lennox it's also the same hierarchy that got him addicted to benzos that he would prescrobe to his own. Patients....oh the irony, do as I say not as I do
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Parasitize!!! Yes!
Maybe you’re focused on his feminine side?
“As above, so below…”
…what’s that mean?
‘The king is dead?’
‘…long live the king?’
‘Who’s your daddy?’
Damn…
“I can’t do nothing for you man” - Public Enemy
One of the dumbest things I've ever read. However, a psychoanalyst may notice your many latent homosexual tendencies in this free word association; Your preoccupation with "his feminine side" and what's "below" the "mean" "king" "Daddy." You should love yourself as you are and accept your sexuality. Hope it helps.
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Sexuality, is quantum level stuff. I can’t believe people want to identify themselves with one function of the smallest type. It takes everything for anything to happen…we’re in this together.
“He is the God of nothing, if that is all that you can see.” - Ian Anderson
@@keithjohnsonYT Alright, now you're talking some meaning. Your original post is jibberish though.
They stopped making men like him ✅
You Data burster
Shouts of Nothingness
This I know nothing
8:01 WOW. Huh. Namastes, fookface.
12:22 idk if the children will listen. Be all you can be.
.... And you know what else? You die in the end
As much as I like JP, he doesn't seem happy, he seems stressed. So I'm not really buying an the advice on how to live the perfect life lol and all that stress he inflicts on himself is giving him auto immune issues, and now he's eating a meat-only diet 😬 so it's just a ticking time bomb. I give him 10 more years max.
And all he needs to do is learn the art of calming down. ✨️
GenX here to say some of us never calm down. I'm the one everyone was looking for as a child. I was always getting into everything!
Calm people are a must have in my life.
I think you misunderstood his point. Stress, anxiety, difficulty and challenge are a part of life. In his book he mentioned it's a source of motivation for everyone in their lives. If you look for advices from "perfect" role model then you'd never have it, there is no perfect person. Taking words and processing it is your own tasks and through that task of thinking you'll grow.
This is an old lecture. He's been much better and stopped that beef-only diet.
He never said anything about having a perfect life, your problem is that you don't listen at all. And truthfully, if you work as much as he did no advice necessarily would keep you calm besides working less.
And sometimes working that hard is worth it lol. So idk what bs you've been fed, he specifically states that you tumble upward, always behind perfection.
@Andy I didn't watch the video 🤣
Happiness was turned into a life goal and aspiration somewhere around the 90's. It doesn't hold you together when the trials of your life begin. And they will. Happiness is just an emotion to be enjoyed during those moments when the pieces all fit. I'm not knocking it. Peterson cracks up a lot. He loves comedy and music. He's happy enough imo.