I think dealing with the anxiety around decision making comes down to admitting that there is a maximally correct decision, but you cannot know what it is. The choices you make define you, so just decide who you want to be and if you in good faith make decisions towards that goal then that's it, man. Gotta wade through the mire, climb up into the lair and slay the dragon, roughly speaking.
I know what you mean 😂 but I do think Dr. Peterson asks those kinds of questions as earnestly as he can. He wants to further understand things and people so he invites these guests onto his show partly because he wants to explore ideas and expand his own thinking. Not to mention he himself is a very, genuinely curious person. As such, Dr. Peterson doesn’t mean any disrespect despite the clip indicating he did
My guess is that in some way it's because Joe Hage's successful path has come from somewhat different principles than what Dr. Peterson teaches. And it's as if, for example, Dr. Peterson is trying to figure out how this chronic procrastinator is able to be high achieving and successful. Really interesting conversation. I recommend watching the full interview too
There's a hypothesis here I would like to challenge, to the effect that chaos tolerance is a learnt ability. I love chaos and thinking on my feet, but I was never taught that as a child. I was kept in a very choiceless and controlled environment and wasn't encouraged to believe I could make good decisions or handle the world (quite the reverse, I was deemed incompetent and stupid). I think, at least in my case, my love of chaos is temperamental. I always enjoyed the thrill of the stress that comes with uncertainty and I get bored when everything goes according to plan. My baseline is being bored, so maybe it could account for that. Even as a kid, I enjoyed doing presentations in front of the class, not because I wasn't scared, I was a shy kid and I was terrified, but because at least I wasn't bored half to death.
That's really non understandable to me I literally can not relate not one bit There was a time when I was lost and in the eye of the storm, I lived in chaos long enough before I started getting my life together and put things back in order, but still the time I spent in chaos way longer, and I know how does it feel and I can never in my life say that it was enjoyable to me I really can't relate to that And it is really interesting how is that the norm for you, I guess humans are really fascinating creatures after all
I thought it was just be who got bored easily and seem to like chaos better at times… problem is when you start getting stuck in chaos for longer than intended… then that’s no fun any more… So, I am learning to morph the way of getting into chaos better by having a positive outcome such as diverging it into something optimistically challenging benefiting such as traveling or doing a bigger life project or the likes rather than going down hill just to kill boredom… the 1st chaos type was mainly subconscious induced and 2nd one is conscious induced I would say. Perhaps the love for chaos is just evolutionarily adaptive method in us beings I think.
I think there's something to be said about having your options narrowed because it makes the thought process much less complicated. If you have too much choice, you're probably bound to buyer's remorse when you do make a decision because you're gonna constantly be trying to retrace your steps to determine if the decision you made was maximally beneficial.
For black and white people sure. But the world is grey.... And reality is complex...and thinking out farther in time is exponentially harder then BUT if you can...just wow. Fail and learn more or bam you make great decisions
Procrastinating down to the wire can also bring about opportunity to witness others reactions. Those who can influence a particular decision may be holding out till the last minute before reaching deeper into their pocketbook. Kenny Roger’s “The Gambler” may be this guys lifelong theme song.
Procrastination can also be valuable because, while you're procrastinating, other options may become available. I'm not convinced this is always or often a good strategy, but it is a possibility. When procrastination is the least bad option, that's the silver lining for which to hope.
But it goes deeper still: It's not just a question of what you choose our when you choose it, but also why do you feel as though you have to choose in the first place? A coin flip would reduce the anxiety and uncertainty down to 0. And in many ways, if we spend weeks overthinking multiple choices what ends up happening is that when the time comes to finally make the decision, we make a snap judgement. And we are never certain no matter how long we thought things through. Because certainty is not a product of good decision making, but of trust. Not of choosing right over wrong, but proving your choice right after the fact. We never do have control over our lives; but we can have control over ourselves and our attitudes towards life. There are no good outcomes in life, only good actions taken to unknown outcomes.
@@israeladekoya3839 The inevitable realization that any choice we make is based on our Limited life experiences and our own limited persona. We're born in a time we didn't pick, to a family we couldn't choose. We're taught who we are, how to act and think, what other people think and feel. How to live in society. But we're never taught why. Why is everything the way that it is? Why are my parents like this and not like those other parents? Why did I grow up with this name and personality and world-view? Did I ever consciously choose these exact circumstances? Let's say I started reflecting on my own thoughts and feelings and views and I realize that they're not truly mine, but they're an amalgamation of specific experiences judged by a specific mind, both of which I never chose. So the very first step to not only becoming your own person, but also to growing and maturing beyond that limited palette we took for granted, that very first step is to question it. Realize it has no right to be absolute. My name could've been different, my upbringing could've been very different. The outcome would've been a different person, yet it would still be me. As such I am neither my name nor my character nor my point of view. Those I have acquired. And since it is all those things that are thinking my every thought, judging my every experience and making my every choice... Why should I trust that to make choices for me? It would be much wiser to first question the mechanism that makes the choices. It would be wise to strive for wisdom as to be better equipped to actually make "the right" choice. And when one goes down this route, one comes to realize that all choices are based on principles. We may expand on - and refine - those principles as we grow older. But we will never be without. We will always have to make choices, and we will always progress towards a more developed and individual standpoint as we grow older. But nevertheless, unless we question the why, the what holds no meaning. Unless I question why I picked art school over Carpentry it doesn't matter which of the two I ended up choosing. Because the choice didn't matter. It was not formulated by me, it was given to me by a past I didn't choose. And ontop of that, that very past has instilled in me an urge to choose not only quickly but also to pick based on societal expectations. I am pressured into picking between a few predetermined options. That can never be fulfilling or enlightening. We're like robots, programmed during childhood, running amok during adulthood. Nostalgia is the reminder of a time before said compulsion. When life was still life. Not a compulsive sequence of choice and regret and worry and suffering. Why do I suffer if I myself have not done anything but exist as me? Life must be suffering. Or perhaps, a life that is not free, a life that solely revolves around living out and pleasing a made-up persona, perhaps that is suffering. So why keep this cycle alive? Because I already suffer? Because it's not my fault that I suffer? Blame only postpones taking responsibility. I can blame everything for my suffering. Or I can take responsibility and realize that I, this complex organism, have created a personality, an identity, a cluster of behaviors and ideas that I will keep living out because I fear that without it I am nothing. Yet all that is what you've been given, it's not you. Inspect, understand, learn. Question. Don't strive for happiness, strive for truth. If that was too cryptic just read about Buddhism, Zen, Hindiusm etc. They hold a lot of wisdom. Because while we were bhsy inspecting the outside and manipulating matter, they've been busy inspecting inside and manipulating their own selves. That is true self-control. That is true freedom
Questions to ask: “When is the best time to make this decision?” “When do I have to decide?” “When should I do it?” JP’s Advice: “Don’t close the door, before it is necessary to close the door.” Have more faith in your ability to dance with life and juggle it’s situations.
5:50 I beg to differ; I was in that situation when I got out of high school, I applied to 3 schools, 3 faculties each, and got accepted in them all --the problem only became larger, I really didn't know what to do and ended up making the wrong decision back then.
I took your advice. Seriously. Lov ya Dr. I am . Just want hug you a shake your hand. An if at all, don't tell me you are proud of the student. I still have work to do. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you.
Making premature decisions or trying to is my issue. I did not get this before but I try to iron down the possibilities to help myself feel certain before a decision needs to be made when really I could just start investigating the options and see what unfolds
my philosophy : narrow down your options and than its easy to choose between very bad choice vs very good choice and between good choice vs very good choice, choose anyone and stuck to it because end result not going to vary much.
I’m struggling beyond words with a career decision right now that I just can’t decide which way to go ! Done the pros and cons and they equal out so I’m down to the old coin toss sad as it may sound 😩
I wouldn’t look at it that way. You have 2 choices that are so good that you can’t pick the best one. You can also change your mind later. I’m on my 3rd career currently and thinking about a 4th. Best of luck.
Remember that the process of decision making can influence the perceived happiness with the made decision too. It's such a subjective act that the objective choice really doesn't matter that much in the end, or does it? ;)
The right decision is the one that is right AT THE TIME, based on a careful review of all information AT THAT TIME. If after the passage of events it turns out that another option was better, then you follow the Stoics in understanding that you cannot control most things which are external to your mind including future events , and acceptance rather than regret is the rational response. ************as a side note : who is this interesting man talking with JP ? We are not told !
There has been times in my life when I had to make a big decision without any time to think about it. I just had to make a quick pivot. Fortunately everything turned out well … so far anyway.
You start deciding when the issue or opportunity arises you never leave it to the last minute, that doesn’t mean you should dwell on it forever either but it is important to really take your time when making a decision that can impact your life in a positive or negative way the first thing you need to ask yourself is does this option benefit me in the long run, is this option going to help me reach my goals and help me reach my dream life. Even though it may seem difficult or painful at the time it’s a case of short term pleasures for long term pain or short term pain for long term pleasure. Take working out for example your brain is like hell no we are going to stay right here in the comfort zone going against that you are going to encounter resistance sure it will be less painful and uncomfortable staying at home, but is that going to benefit you in the long term and is it going to help you reach your goal? For most people it won’t being overweight is a serious health issue and can also affect your mental health and in some cases it can even end your life before you even reach your goal, I believe that the pro’s outweigh the cons in this decision making. As Andrew says always make the best chest move in life and he is right making good decisions usually end in good results.
@@Fantastic_Mr_Fox When a question, with an obviously singular right answer, is asked and certain people will not answer it, for the simple and obvious question it is, because to do so would be them admitting that their whole narrative about something is wrong.
Yeh. And if someone can tell if someone is lying then when someone lies in response to a question the alternative which must be the truth becomes obvious.
Random question, when people released confidential info to the public where did they release it and how was it done so platforms wouldn't stop the release and when there were no followers.
Mr Jordan no matter what brains non or edcated you put yourself out there so know doubt you will have your own issues keep going truth through Jesus love ❤️ to you and family God bless x
To make a decision when you have to shouldn't have to happen. Chaos is to dangerous. If you want to long, you may make the wrong decision. Because your forced to do something, anything now. And what about others your decision effects? I have more reasoning about this.
That man is right. In every decision process, first thing is to determine the deadline. Also during that time circumstances can change and so de decision bw different
My life has turned out to be a mess. I'm faced with unfavourable options to choose from. I have just decided to wait and endure whatever life throws at me.
Don’t wait around for life to throw shit at you. Take control of the small things in your life. It could be as small as your breath (meditation). The small wins WILL add up over time. Key words, over time. But you must stay consistent.
6:07 Peterson, you’re not referring to what I think you’re referring to, by any chance, are you? 😃 I have made my decision, and no amount of new information could change it. There is an optimal threshold of information that leads to an optimal decision. To delay it is to procrastinate. And that’s not good, man.
How is choosing early a lack of faith? Isn't being so indecisive and paralyzed by decisions that you don't even know where which city you're going to a better example of a lack of faith in your choices? I wouldn't want to work for this guy if he's always this indecisive. I find decisive people that are confident with their choices much more admirable.
That's the first time I've ever heard a person express exactly how I feel about operating in chaotic environments. Order is fine, but it lacks the potential for true heroic greatness, in my opinion. War is hell, and despite that, I thrived as a soldier. Now I live in the wilderness with a solar setup and a satellite dish to keep track of what the rest of ya'll are up to; mostly insane things. The Kingdom is laid out before you, but you do not see it because it doesn't look like the world you are familiar with. Do not fear what lies beyond the boundaries of your world, for everything you need is there and within you; for your heavenly Father knows your needs and has provided for them. Be free, follow His Commandments to Abraham, and seek the Truth your earthly father has hidden to keep you in service to his dying house.
@Jordan bpeterson If you were actually Peterson, then you'd already have my contact info and just reach out to me privately. You'd also have an account more than a day old. Obvious bait is obvious. Go do something productive; This isn't your thing. May God bless you with wisdom and clarity 🙏
What Is the Difference Between God and Nature? “It is best for us to agree and accept the words of the Kabbalists that ‘the nature’ (Heb. ‘HaTeva’ [‘הטבע’]) has the same numerical value as ‘God’ (Heb. ‘Elohim’ [‘אלהים’]-eighty-six. Then, I will be able to call the laws of God ‘nature’s commandments [Mitzvot],’ or vice-versa (God’s commandments [Mitzvot] by the name ‘nature’s laws’), for they are one and the same.” - Kabbalist Yehuda Ashlag (Baal HaSulam), “The Peace.” There is nothing besides the system of nature, which Kabbalists equally refer to as “nature” or “God,” and we are integral parts of this system. Therefore, when we say that there is one God, it means that there is nothing besides one force acting in this single system we are parts of. The desire of the single force acting in reality is to bring us into connection with it-not via coercion, but through awareness in a positive manner. As much as we understand, feel and attain this force as one that is good and benevolent, then we can adhere to it and reach its level of complete awareness.
Isaiah 1-1-2. Hebreo 4:12. Isaiah 7:14. Psalms 22:1-21. Matthew 27:46. WHEN JESUS OR EMMANUEL SINNED HE APPEARED IN COURT TO BE TRIED. 2CORINTHIANS 5:10. Endless question one answer. Isaiah 61:3. Isaiah 63:16-17???. Same question. Exodus 20:1-18. Deuteronomy 5:1-12. DIVINE WEEDING!!! Revelation 19:7-10. Matthew 3:11. Deuteronomy 4:35-36. THE TEACHING OR DOCTRINE OF THE PEOPLE ARE ALL IGNORANCE FICTION OR INVENTION. JOB 12:4. Jesus or Emmanuel is not the son of God. ONE MOMENT IN TIMES. PSALMS 144:9. THE SEARCH IS OVER. PSALMS 144:9. Malachi 1:11. Hebreo 4:12.
Ok maybe a few, but i cant name them by name. I respect the people who make video games and the people who write music, metal and its sub genres and some others. The rest of you are mosquitos on a hot as fuck day in a swamp
In the bible, MOST of you are exterminated. And you know what makes this depressing for me? Is i can see why god does it. I can feel it, i can sense it. I KNOW why god lets you people die
BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD THE DIVINE QUESTION AND DIVINE TEST WAS READY FOR MEN ANGEL OR GOD. PROVERB 8:22-23. GENESIS 1:1-2. Isaiah 1:18. Malachi 1:11. Deuteronomy 18:1-2. Malachi 3:3-4. Malachi 4:2. John 3:14-18. 1Corinthians 15:34. John 3:34-36. Philippians 2:6-7. TOO MUCH LOVE WILL KILL YOU. AMOS 8:10.
I dont want to listen, but ill talk. I like chaos because its my only protection from you. Theres such a hilarious amount of conflicts of interest in western culture that no one can be in the right about anything, ever. The only POSITIVE extrapolation i can make from the nonstop chaos is the fact that theres so much fuckin violence and hate in this country that i can be… less visible if i want to be. Where i come from, attention is NOT a good thing
Lol cause heres the thing… people will act like im suppose to be upset that “hes not getting a response from us” Ok… if you people actually HAD replies to things ive said, it means you have a game plan because youre confident in victory. Since most of you are silent most of the time, it means i have you stumped, 99.9% of the time. Do you want to know why im always right and why you cant back me into any corners? Do you want to know why i seem like such an unstoppable force? Because… you write your stories from the start and write them to the finish…. I write the ending and go backwards
This conversation is basic and nuts. Everyone to their own however, this is bad decision making. The right time to make the decision is when confronted with the options, reviewed and thought out. I sure wouldn't want to share a foxhole with this guy. I'm surprised that Jordan tried to give this conversation a lifeline. Disappointing.
Tell me you didn't understand a thing they said without telling me you didn't understand. Ok all jokes aside (no disrespect meant), maybe you should watch it again a bit more carefully?
@Sir Woof Woof the third, Earl of woofington well, Sir Woof, I think I have not heard the use of the words, "(no disrespect meant)" used with less sincerity than has been used by you, my good man, in responding to my comment - no disrespect meant Sir Woolf. I humbly made the initial comment to say, cloaked in gentile terms, that anyone who has the resources to purchase 2 tickets to different locations - such as described by Jordan's guest - and arriving at the airport with yet a sincere quandary as to which location to choose, has way too many resources and in my, once again, humble opinion - needs to be monitored closely so as not to hurt themselves or others. Again, no disrespect meant. Many thanks, Sir Woof. BTW, 2 questions: Did you read my comment carefully? And, where on or in God's green earth did you get the name Sir Woof Woof the Thirdly? Lord, now I've confused myself. I'll have to go back and read the whole thing more carefully.
@@michaelvrchota4089 This is the most unhinged response to a light jab I've seen in a while. "This person has too many resources and NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY MONITORED to *huge leap* MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE", brother, you're telling me having resources and options and not knowing what to pick makes someone else an existential threat to others?? Unless you're really gonna commit to a top down control model where someone gets to dictate what's "safe/acceptable" for everyone, which is impossible because everyone is an individual and different regions and cultures value different things, which would be telling, I'd say that you didn't think that through and got triggered. I know we're both being a bit autistic here but chill out a bit.
@@chrisdrinkerofhate2 You gotta be kidding me, right? Given the circumstances of this particular person (the interviewee) who loves Chaos and the Title of the piece, "How to Make the Right Decision" the gravity of the decision seems to be ordered into the class of Make a Decision before you go and buy 2 airline tickets to 2 different locations. And, certainly having failed the first decision exercise - make a decision well before you get to the airport! I do not dictate this model for all. However, it does seem reasonable as "safe/acceptable" for the group - albeit I do not have any confirmed documentation to prove my statement. It just seems like common sense to have these aforementioned items decided even before you purchase your airline tickets. I think you use your ability to over-think the situation and dive deep into something that does not require anything anywhere near a deep dive. I would also counter that you Chris, might be the one to "Chill Out" my friend (?). Finally, you suggest we might be both acting out is some Autistic pattern. As best I can tell, I have no developmental disability caused by differences in my brain. I'm not sure about you. You may have different ways of learning, moving or paying attention. Again, I can't be sure of that in your case. All the best.
Why have such a title when the preference is to live in that box/controlled environment it’s ridiculous no different than everyone running scared over said “virus” jc so much pathetic pitch and no independent initiative to prove anything to selves not willing to do own fkn work.
- 🌎 Being comfortable with chaos and uncertainty can be a strength for decision-makers. - 🤹♂ Managing anxiety related to decision-making can involve believing in your ability to handle unforeseen situations. - 🏙 Choosing between options like cities can be less critical than expected, as success is possible in different locations. - 💡 Timing of decision-making can be crucial, as delaying can allow for more information and informed choices. - 🗝 Prematurely closing off options can limit opportunities and lead to less informed decisions. - 🎓 Exploring multiple options and gathering information can lead to more enlightened decisions. - 🧘♂ Having faith in your own abilities to handle uncertainty is key to resisting premature decisions. - 🎭 Balancing chaos and order in decision-making is an art that requires proper timing and faith in oneself.
I think dealing with the anxiety around decision making comes down to admitting that there is a maximally correct decision, but you cannot know what it is. The choices you make define you, so just decide who you want to be and if you in good faith make decisions towards that goal then that's it, man. Gotta wade through the mire, climb up into the lair and slay the dragon, roughly speaking.
Roughly speaking, You sound like the man himself
@@Paving-ji5qe That was the point...
If this isn't the best, most sensible advise ever then what is? Thanks Master!
Ending it on “why” stung a little
I know what you mean 😂 but I do think Dr. Peterson asks those kinds of questions as earnestly as he can. He wants to further understand things and people so he invites these guests onto his show partly because he wants to explore ideas and expand his own thinking. Not to mention he himself is a very, genuinely curious person. As such, Dr. Peterson doesn’t mean any disrespect despite the clip indicating he did
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That’s half the reason I have a daily wire subscription.
This video, 45:25 ua-cam.com/video/eynw7KqJx4g/v-deo.html
As Jocko Willink says, "Good."
The way Jordan is completely immersed in the conversation is something else.
My guess is that in some way it's because Joe Hage's successful path has come from somewhat different principles than what Dr. Peterson teaches. And it's as if, for example, Dr. Peterson is trying to figure out how this chronic procrastinator is able to be high achieving and successful.
Really interesting conversation. I recommend watching the full interview too
I love how you make tough ideas easy to grasp!
There's a hypothesis here I would like to challenge, to the effect that chaos tolerance is a learnt ability. I love chaos and thinking on my feet, but I was never taught that as a child. I was kept in a very choiceless and controlled environment and wasn't encouraged to believe I could make good decisions or handle the world (quite the reverse, I was deemed incompetent and stupid). I think, at least in my case, my love of chaos is temperamental. I always enjoyed the thrill of the stress that comes with uncertainty and I get bored when everything goes according to plan. My baseline is being bored, so maybe it could account for that. Even as a kid, I enjoyed doing presentations in front of the class, not because I wasn't scared, I was a shy kid and I was terrified, but because at least I wasn't bored half to death.
That's really non understandable to me
I literally can not relate not one bit
There was a time when I was lost and in the eye of the storm, I lived in chaos long enough before I started getting my life together and put things back in order, but still the time I spent in chaos way longer, and I know how does it feel and I can never in my life say that it was enjoyable to me
I really can't relate to that
And it is really interesting how is that the norm for you, I guess humans are really fascinating creatures after all
I thought it was just be who got bored easily and seem to like chaos better at times… problem is when you start getting stuck in chaos for longer than intended… then that’s no fun any more… So, I am learning to morph the way of getting into chaos better by having a positive outcome such as diverging it into something optimistically challenging benefiting such as traveling or doing a bigger life project or the likes rather than going down hill just to kill boredom… the 1st chaos type was mainly subconscious induced and 2nd one is conscious induced I would say. Perhaps the love for chaos is just evolutionarily adaptive method in us beings I think.
i love jordan petersons tie and that room looks beatiful , looking very stylish
Beautiful room, crooked lamp shade.
The green tile! 🥰
I think there's something to be said about having your options narrowed because it makes the thought process much less complicated. If you have too much choice, you're probably bound to buyer's remorse when you do make a decision because you're gonna constantly be trying to retrace your steps to determine if the decision you made was maximally beneficial.
I purposely try and come up with some external logic/reason as to why a decision should be X, Y, or Z....so the decision is sort of out of my hands.
For black and white people sure. But the world is grey.... And reality is complex...and thinking out farther in time is exponentially harder then BUT if you can...just wow. Fail and learn more or bam you make great decisions
@@JessyU13 Flipping a coin can help decide a decision even an important one so long as either choice seems like a valid 50/50.
Yeah, I see what he did there🙃
That’s why I courted 1 girl and got married young. We grow together.
Procrastinating down to the wire can also bring about opportunity to witness others reactions. Those who can influence a particular decision may be holding out till the last minute before reaching deeper into their pocketbook. Kenny Roger’s “The Gambler” may be this guys lifelong theme song.
Sounds like a long game
Some of the best games are long and but very rewarding.
Procrastination can also be valuable because, while you're procrastinating, other options may become available. I'm not convinced this is always or often a good strategy, but it is a possibility. When procrastination is the least bad option, that's the silver lining for which to hope.
I was at Petersons lecture in Bergen, Norway tonight. Definitely recommend the beyond order tour for anyone who is interested!
I’d love to but I’m broke.
Really? I went in Switzerland and I found it hardly different than what we find online.. What is it that you enjoyed in there ?
About that..Making a decision to move from Trøndelag to Vestlanda.
😅😅 Less envy
Love this discussion!
But it goes deeper still:
It's not just a question of what you choose our when you choose it, but also why do you feel as though you have to choose in the first place?
A coin flip would reduce the anxiety and uncertainty down to 0.
And in many ways, if we spend weeks overthinking multiple choices what ends up happening is that when the time comes to finally make the decision, we make a snap judgement. And we are never certain no matter how long we thought things through. Because certainty is not a product of good decision making, but of trust. Not of choosing right over wrong, but proving your choice right after the fact.
We never do have control over our lives; but we can have control over ourselves and our attitudes towards life.
There are no good outcomes in life, only good actions taken to unknown outcomes.
May I ask what informed this belief.
I find it inspiring.
@@israeladekoya3839 The inevitable realization that any choice we make is based on our Limited life experiences and our own limited persona. We're born in a time we didn't pick, to a family we couldn't choose. We're taught who we are, how to act and think, what other people think and feel. How to live in society. But we're never taught why. Why is everything the way that it is? Why are my parents like this and not like those other parents? Why did I grow up with this name and personality and world-view? Did I ever consciously choose these exact circumstances? Let's say I started reflecting on my own thoughts and feelings and views and I realize that they're not truly mine, but they're an amalgamation of specific experiences judged by a specific mind, both of which I never chose. So the very first step to not only becoming your own person, but also to growing and maturing beyond that limited palette we took for granted, that very first step is to question it. Realize it has no right to be absolute. My name could've been different, my upbringing could've been very different. The outcome would've been a different person, yet it would still be me. As such I am neither my name nor my character nor my point of view. Those I have acquired. And since it is all those things that are thinking my every thought, judging my every experience and making my every choice... Why should I trust that to make choices for me? It would be much wiser to first question the mechanism that makes the choices. It would be wise to strive for wisdom as to be better equipped to actually make "the right" choice. And when one goes down this route, one comes to realize that all choices are based on principles. We may expand on - and refine - those principles as we grow older. But we will never be without. We will always have to make choices, and we will always progress towards a more developed and individual standpoint as we grow older. But nevertheless, unless we question the why, the what holds no meaning.
Unless I question why I picked art school over Carpentry it doesn't matter which of the two I ended up choosing. Because the choice didn't matter. It was not formulated by me, it was given to me by a past I didn't choose. And ontop of that, that very past has instilled in me an urge to choose not only quickly but also to pick based on societal expectations. I am pressured into picking between a few predetermined options. That can never be fulfilling or enlightening. We're like robots, programmed during childhood, running amok during adulthood.
Nostalgia is the reminder of a time before said compulsion. When life was still life. Not a compulsive sequence of choice and regret and worry and suffering. Why do I suffer if I myself have not done anything but exist as me? Life must be suffering.
Or perhaps, a life that is not free, a life that solely revolves around living out and pleasing a made-up persona, perhaps that is suffering. So why keep this cycle alive? Because I already suffer?
Because it's not my fault that I suffer?
Blame only postpones taking responsibility. I can blame everything for my suffering. Or I can take responsibility and realize that I, this complex organism, have created a personality, an identity, a cluster of behaviors and ideas that I will keep living out because I fear that without it I am nothing.
Yet all that is what you've been given, it's not you. Inspect, understand, learn. Question.
Don't strive for happiness, strive for truth.
If that was too cryptic just read about Buddhism, Zen, Hindiusm etc. They hold a lot of wisdom. Because while we were bhsy inspecting the outside and manipulating matter, they've been busy inspecting inside and manipulating their own selves. That is true self-control. That is true freedom
0:16 literal bars
I found this incredibly helpful as I work through processing and improving my indecisiveness and where it comes from ….(anxiety!!).
Questions to ask: “When is the best time to make this decision?” “When do I have to decide?”
“When should I do it?”
JP’s Advice: “Don’t close the door, before it is necessary to close the door.”
Have more faith in your ability to dance with life and juggle it’s situations.
This video provided great clarity on a tough topic!
Love this discussion.
5:39 Yup. That’s a common problem common folk do have. Very often. All the time, in fact.
Thank you for the insight. God bless
Yes the time domain matters most I've discovered as well. Timing is more impactful or just as impactful as the choice
5:50 I beg to differ; I was in that situation when I got out of high school, I applied to 3 schools, 3 faculties each, and got accepted in them all --the problem only became larger, I really didn't know what to do and ended up making the wrong decision back then.
Similar boat. Did you find peterson or somebody talk about that topic?
Thank you Dr. I should learn to be quiet but I'm not sure I have the capacity. Good day
I took your advice. Seriously. Lov ya Dr.
I am .
Just want hug you a shake your hand. An if at all, don't tell me you are proud of the student. I still have work to do. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you.
Making premature decisions or trying to is my issue. I did not get this before but I try to iron down the possibilities to help myself feel certain before a decision needs to be made when really I could just start investigating the options and see what unfolds
Don't close the doors before it's necessary to close the doors
Have faith in your ability to dance and juggle in the situations ❤❤❤
Thanks M.R
Not deciding right now IS a choice.
This was helpful
my philosophy : narrow down your options and than its easy to choose between very bad choice vs very good choice and between good choice vs very good choice, choose anyone and stuck to it because end result not going to vary much.
I’m struggling beyond words with a career decision right now that I just can’t decide which way to go ! Done the pros and cons and they equal out so I’m down to the old coin toss sad as it may sound 😩
I wouldn’t look at it that way. You have 2 choices that are so good that you can’t pick the best one. You can also change your mind later. I’m on my 3rd career currently and thinking about a 4th. Best of luck.
Remember that the process of decision making can influence the perceived happiness with the made decision too. It's such a subjective act that the objective choice really doesn't matter that much in the end, or does it? ;)
thank you 💯...
The right decision is the one that is right AT THE TIME, based on a careful review of all information AT THAT TIME. If after the passage of events it turns out that another option was better, then you follow the Stoics in understanding that you cannot control most things which are external to your mind including future events , and acceptance rather than regret is the rational response.
************as a side note : who is this interesting man talking with JP ? We are not told !
His name is Joe Hage. It’s in the description box
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Chaos. Deciding between the least unfavorable outcomes.
What is the name of this interview? Want to watch the whole thing
There has been times in my life when I had to make a big decision without any time to think about it. I just had to make a quick pivot. Fortunately everything turned out well … so far anyway.
4:48 Imagine having a colleague or boss like this chap 😱
‘Where is boss today?’
🤷🏻♀️ ‘Fuck knows. Maybe Tokyo. Maybe later. Maybe never’.
This is brilliant.. roughly speaking
It isn't obvious to me that Jordan is not one of the most influential speakers of our time.
I don't like chaos.
« When is the best the me to make the decision? »
That's me. I'm at my best when I'm between a rock and a hard place.
You start deciding when the issue or opportunity arises you never leave it to the last minute, that doesn’t mean you should dwell on it forever either but it is important to really take your time when making a decision that can impact your life in a positive or negative way the first thing you need to ask yourself is does this option benefit me in the long run, is this option going to help me reach my goals and help me reach my dream life. Even though it may seem difficult or painful at the time it’s a case of short term pleasures for long term pain or short term pain for long term pleasure. Take working out for example your brain is like hell no we are going to stay right here in the comfort zone going against that you are going to encounter resistance sure it will be less painful and uncomfortable staying at home, but is that going to benefit you in the long term and is it going to help you reach your goal? For most people it won’t being overweight is a serious health issue and can also affect your mental health and in some cases it can even end your life before you even reach your goal, I believe that the pro’s outweigh the cons in this decision making. As Andrew says always make the best chest move in life and he is right making good decisions usually end in good results.
You know you have asked the right question when certain people will do everything they can to not give you the correct answer to it.
What do you mean, in this context?
@@Fantastic_Mr_Fox When a question, with an obviously singular right answer, is asked and certain people will not answer it, for the simple and obvious question it is, because to do so would be them admitting that their whole narrative about something is wrong.
Indeed, but what are you referring to in this context?
Yeh. And if someone can tell if someone is lying then when someone lies in response to a question the alternative which must be the truth becomes obvious.
What is a woman?
Being a supervisor at work, I always enjoyed a challenge. My colleagues would whinge and moan when something went wrong..
Just as we should not confuse freedom and chaos, not all chaos has to be entropy either.
Every time I watch Jordan, I think of my HighSchool theology teacher
Random question, when people released confidential info to the public where did they release it and how was it done so platforms wouldn't stop the release and when there were no followers.
Mr Jordan no matter what brains non or edcated you put yourself out there so know doubt you will have your own issues keep going truth through Jesus love ❤️ to you and family God bless x
Where can I find the full session?
That ended at the crescendo
1:29 Damn, Peterson! You have beautiful hands, man. But who the hell filmed you from that angle?! You look like Oblio. 😃
He said Due diligence
I like Max Stirner Philosophy
I don't know if it's "when you had the most information" but when stress forces you to make the decision. It's procrastination, right?
Pescador de Hombres, GRACIAS.
2:34 probably a week ago😂😂😂
chaos…. chaos is a ladder
8:18 fucking hilarious
Does JP listen? Or do his clients pay him to talk?
Intenta los 2 porque tal vez nos solo sale 1 y al final ni elección tenias.
To make a decision when you have to shouldn't have to happen. Chaos is to dangerous. If you want to long, you may make the wrong decision. Because your forced to do something, anything now. And what about others your decision effects? I have more reasoning about this.
80/20…. Conformity/ The alternative (adaptive) strategy.
I just noticed Jordan sounds a bit like Saul Goodman
Kind of crazy how the viewer ship dissipated when the whole system went against Jordan Peterson
That man is right. In every decision process, first thing is to determine the deadline. Also during that time circumstances can change and so de decision bw different
My life has turned out to be a mess. I'm faced with unfavourable options to choose from. I have just decided to wait and endure whatever life throws at me.
Don’t wait around for life to throw shit at you. Take control of the small things in your life. It could be as small as your breath (meditation). The small wins WILL add up over time. Key words, over time. But you must stay consistent.
Godspeed
isn't conflict is about right , centers, wrongs, and lefts. illusion vs real . ?
1:50 Is this a public psychotherapy session? Damn, that’s a weird idea.
6:07 Peterson, you’re not referring to what I think you’re referring to, by any chance, are you? 😃 I have made my decision, and no amount of new information could change it. There is an optimal threshold of information that leads to an optimal decision. To delay it is to procrastinate. And that’s not good, man.
How is choosing early a lack of faith? Isn't being so indecisive and paralyzed by decisions that you don't even know where which city you're going to a better example of a lack of faith in your choices? I wouldn't want to work for this guy if he's always this indecisive. I find decisive people that are confident with their choices much more admirable.
People don't want to be free
So a demanding tyrant happily leads them
Matthew 20:8((N.L.T.))🤴🏽
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That's the first time I've ever heard a person express exactly how I feel about operating in chaotic environments. Order is fine, but it lacks the potential for true heroic greatness, in my opinion. War is hell, and despite that, I thrived as a soldier. Now I live in the wilderness with a solar setup and a satellite dish to keep track of what the rest of ya'll are up to; mostly insane things. The Kingdom is laid out before you, but you do not see it because it doesn't look like the world you are familiar with. Do not fear what lies beyond the boundaries of your world, for everything you need is there and within you; for your heavenly Father knows your needs and has provided for them. Be free, follow His Commandments to Abraham, and seek the Truth your earthly father has hidden to keep you in service to his dying house.
@Jordan bpeterson If you were actually Peterson, then you'd already have my contact info and just reach out to me privately. You'd also have an account more than a day old. Obvious bait is obvious. Go do something productive; This isn't your thing. May God bless you with wisdom and clarity 🙏
damn you cut if off at the moment man
How entitled. 😂 Can decide here or there, purchased both massively expensive tickets😂
What Is the Difference Between God and Nature?
“It is best for us to agree and accept the words of the Kabbalists that ‘the nature’ (Heb. ‘HaTeva’ [‘הטבע’]) has the same numerical value as ‘God’ (Heb. ‘Elohim’ [‘אלהים’]-eighty-six. Then, I will be able to call the laws of God ‘nature’s commandments [Mitzvot],’ or vice-versa (God’s commandments [Mitzvot] by the name ‘nature’s laws’), for they are one and the same.” - Kabbalist Yehuda Ashlag (Baal HaSulam), “The Peace.”
There is nothing besides the system of nature, which Kabbalists equally refer to as “nature” or “God,” and we are integral parts of this system.
Therefore, when we say that there is one God, it means that there is nothing besides one force acting in this single system we are parts of.
The desire of the single force acting in reality is to bring us into connection with it-not via coercion, but through awareness in a positive manner.
As much as we understand, feel and attain this force as one that is good and benevolent, then we can adhere to it and reach its level of complete awareness.
Isaiah 1-1-2. Hebreo 4:12. Isaiah 7:14. Psalms 22:1-21. Matthew 27:46. WHEN JESUS OR EMMANUEL SINNED HE APPEARED IN COURT TO BE TRIED. 2CORINTHIANS 5:10. Endless question one answer. Isaiah 61:3. Isaiah 63:16-17???. Same question. Exodus 20:1-18. Deuteronomy 5:1-12. DIVINE WEEDING!!! Revelation 19:7-10. Matthew 3:11. Deuteronomy 4:35-36. THE TEACHING OR DOCTRINE OF THE PEOPLE ARE ALL IGNORANCE FICTION OR INVENTION. JOB 12:4. Jesus or Emmanuel is not the son of God. ONE MOMENT IN TIMES. PSALMS 144:9. THE SEARCH IS OVER. PSALMS 144:9. Malachi 1:11. Hebreo 4:12.
WHAT!?
Life is better without people in it
Because i will never love or respect any of you
Ok maybe a few, but i cant name them by name. I respect the people who make video games and the people who write music, metal and its sub genres and some others.
The rest of you are mosquitos on a hot as fuck day in a swamp
BECAUSE people have this WAY about them of POISONING everything they fuckin touch
In the bible, MOST of you are exterminated. And you know what makes this depressing for me?
Is i can see why god does it. I can feel it, i can sense it. I KNOW why god lets you people die
*tosses a comment to the algorithm*
BEFORE THE CREATION OF THE WORLD THE DIVINE QUESTION AND DIVINE TEST WAS READY FOR MEN ANGEL OR GOD. PROVERB 8:22-23. GENESIS 1:1-2. Isaiah 1:18. Malachi 1:11. Deuteronomy 18:1-2. Malachi 3:3-4. Malachi 4:2. John 3:14-18. 1Corinthians 15:34. John 3:34-36. Philippians 2:6-7. TOO MUCH LOVE WILL KILL YOU. AMOS 8:10.
Mighty God bless Israel and nations in the name of our Lord Yeshua Savior. Jesus Savior is the way, the truth and the life.
8:19 What in the hell was this about? It’s contrived and weird even by your standards.
10 seconds in… i have no idea what thats suppose to mean
If you people didnt take hours in getting to your point i might be more interested in listening
I know i know its only 8 minutes, which means the point wont get made
I dont want to listen, but ill talk.
I like chaos because its my only protection from you.
Theres such a hilarious amount of conflicts of interest in western culture that no one can be in the right about anything, ever.
The only POSITIVE extrapolation i can make from the nonstop chaos is the fact that theres so much fuckin violence and hate in this country that i can be… less visible if i want to be. Where i come from, attention is NOT a good thing
Lol cause heres the thing… people will act like im suppose to be upset that “hes not getting a response from us”
Ok… if you people actually HAD replies to things ive said, it means you have a game plan because youre confident in victory.
Since most of you are silent most of the time, it means i have you stumped, 99.9% of the time.
Do you want to know why im always right and why you cant back me into any corners? Do you want to know why i seem like such an unstoppable force?
Because… you write your stories from the start and write them to the finish….
I write the ending and go backwards
I cant lose if im already in the right
0:02 What a complete non/ starter 😃 You cannot ‘love’ chaos. You talk about disorder. Like the one in your head. Big difference.
This conversation is basic and nuts. Everyone to their own however, this is bad decision making. The right time to make the decision is when confronted with the options, reviewed and thought out. I sure wouldn't want to share a foxhole with this guy. I'm surprised that Jordan tried to give this conversation a lifeline. Disappointing.
Tell me you didn't understand a thing they said without telling me you didn't understand.
Ok all jokes aside (no disrespect meant), maybe you should watch it again a bit more carefully?
@Sir Woof Woof the third, Earl of woofington well, Sir Woof, I think I have not heard the use of the words, "(no disrespect meant)" used with less sincerity than has been used by you, my good man, in responding to my comment - no disrespect meant Sir Woolf. I humbly made the initial comment to say, cloaked in gentile terms, that anyone who has the resources to purchase 2 tickets to different locations - such as described by Jordan's guest - and arriving at the airport with yet a sincere quandary as to which location to choose, has way too many resources and in my, once again, humble opinion - needs to be monitored closely so as not to hurt themselves or others. Again, no disrespect meant. Many thanks, Sir Woof. BTW, 2 questions: Did you read my comment carefully? And, where on or in God's green earth did you get the name Sir Woof Woof the Thirdly? Lord, now I've confused myself. I'll have to go back and read the whole thing more carefully.
All joking aside, of course!
@@michaelvrchota4089 This is the most unhinged response to a light jab I've seen in a while. "This person has too many resources and NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY MONITORED to *huge leap* MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE", brother, you're telling me having resources and options and not knowing what to pick makes someone else an existential threat to others?? Unless you're really gonna commit to a top down control model where someone gets to dictate what's "safe/acceptable" for everyone, which is impossible because everyone is an individual and different regions and cultures value different things, which would be telling, I'd say that you didn't think that through and got triggered. I know we're both being a bit autistic here but chill out a bit.
@@chrisdrinkerofhate2 You gotta be kidding me, right? Given the circumstances of this particular person (the interviewee) who loves Chaos and the Title of the piece, "How to Make the Right Decision" the gravity of the decision seems to be ordered into the class of Make a Decision before you go and buy 2 airline tickets to 2 different locations. And, certainly having failed the first decision exercise - make a decision well before you get to the airport! I do not dictate this model for all. However, it does seem reasonable as "safe/acceptable" for the group - albeit I do not have any confirmed documentation to prove my statement. It just seems like common sense to have these aforementioned items decided even before you purchase your airline tickets. I think you use your ability to over-think the situation and dive deep into something that does not require anything anywhere near a deep dive. I would also counter that you Chris, might be the one to "Chill Out" my friend (?). Finally, you suggest we might be both acting out is some Autistic pattern. As best I can tell, I have no developmental disability caused by differences in my brain. I'm not sure about you. You may have different ways of learning, moving or paying attention. Again, I can't be sure of that in your case. All the best.
Why have such a title when the preference is to live in that box/controlled environment it’s ridiculous no different than everyone running scared over said “virus” jc so much pathetic pitch and no independent initiative to prove anything to selves not willing to do own fkn work.
Plan!? There’s no plan. There would have to be a tomorrow in order for there to be a plan.
“{{{(((all good vibes)))}}}”🖕
(P.O.W. …not forgotten)
- 🌎 Being comfortable with chaos and uncertainty can be a strength for decision-makers.
- 🤹♂ Managing anxiety related to decision-making can involve believing in your ability to handle unforeseen situations.
- 🏙 Choosing between options like cities can be less critical than expected, as success is possible in different locations.
- 💡 Timing of decision-making can be crucial, as delaying can allow for more information and informed choices.
- 🗝 Prematurely closing off options can limit opportunities and lead to less informed decisions.
- 🎓 Exploring multiple options and gathering information can lead to more enlightened decisions.
- 🧘♂ Having faith in your own abilities to handle uncertainty is key to resisting premature decisions.
- 🎭 Balancing chaos and order in decision-making is an art that requires proper timing and faith in oneself.