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Lol I trust you guys and liked the video you made about the PS5. I say the people who are getting mad at you about the thermal issue's tell them to show the exact math behind it. Meaning take up thermal dynamics book learn all the solutions and proofs from the book. What you just basically did is a lab test. I enjoy when you guys do some lab tests. So thank you.
Lets be honest the PS5 is underwhelming for the size you expect to have something different but so far we looking at 60fps 1440p and 30fps 4k* sony may try to sell their fake 4k the one that uses up scaling or some shet but its not True 4k its up scaled/ part of it renders 4k whilst rest of screen renders lower they sold the same thing on ps4 pro.
This would be the perfect spot for a pc master race jab. Alright you console peasants, listen up. Sadly, everyone feels personally attacked now and the fun of the bickering has been lost.
I can confirm my microwave now runs much better. Thanks for the tip Steve, my cat is getting warmed at the same time now, Bonus. ((It's not..... um..... dangerous is it...... Naaaaa)
I believe the console will have some serious problems during summer, I think Sony kind of knew this so that's why they launched it during autumn (almost winter). Crazy thing, over here they launch it during summer and the physical ps5 is actually more expensive than a gaming pc xD
“why is this caveman with beautiful hair grunting angrily at a wifi box” - general “wider” audience upon hearing Steve use technical computer speak at a console
@@SWIRFTV There's a lot of people in the console community that think their favorite console manufacturers can do no wrong, the extremists especially will go out of their way to defend any criticism, at times by character assassination. It's kind of always been that way and it's fueled by emotional attachment to the brand because of good marketing and hype.
Yeah, inserting some b-roll from Steve's airflow chamber might have demonstrated clearly the impacts if obstructing intake and/or exhaust path if a fan.
I’m on console, I know about his channel, I call him tech jesus, but I don’t watch him as much as DF cause he’s a diff type of content, plus I don’t understand a single thing Steve says
"If you can replace the capacitor yourself, you're beyond what this content is for" Well maybe yes, but that doesn't mean I don't love watching it everyday haha
True! Most of the time I am watching GN content is because I am tired of "false prophets" out there explaining everything as if it's all or nothing, full of ignorance and bias... Steve found things that for sure the engineers know about it. However, budget, PMs, internal politics etc, will always win. It's good to see, listen, and know that are other people who think like you, and that you are not alone :)
I can and have replaced capacitors before, as well as resistors, transistors, and a lot of other components on boards, and I still watch all of GNs content.
It'd be interesting to heat up the memory modules with a heat gun (in some controlled manner) and see what temperature above ambient would cause instability.
@@chrinaldi well the issue is that silicon breaks down slowly with heat so the longer it stays over a certain threshold the more that max temperature it can hit creeps downward. It's why an overclocked chip won't maintain the same clocks for 5 years. After a few years the heat or higher voltage breaks down the silicon so it's maximum potential is lowered. It would be a good test for a launch unit but as for one that has sat in an un-air conditioned room for 4 years the temperature limit may creep into normal usage temps. Not guaranteed but it could.
"just practicality of having exposed fans and maybe you have kids or pets or....mmm...long hair" It feels like Steve talks about his past tragic experience with exposed fans :D
I got my hair caught in a case fan once. Its not that painful, and the fans are designed to cut out, but it took me ages to clear the hair out and that fan was noisy from then on. I had to replace it.
How can anyone trust a company over an independent reviewer? The only reason we've been getting a better standard of quality from products in the last decade or so is thanks to the easily accessible independent reviewers that are pro consumer. Take a moment to be grateful for Gamers Nexus and others like them.
Because independent reviewers don't automatically equal to good, for example, you trust this channel over independent reviewers of this channel. Gamer Nexus is cool, but just saying your comment is flawed
@@1meen1 there is it, the nit pick cheap philosopher trying to come across as a deep thinker. What OP was likely talking about is old magazine and even website publications that were too corporate and not always, if ever, pro consumer. You can see that a lot on video game reviewers which are basically going extinct since no one trusts them anymore. As far as hardware review, Tom's Hardware is a good example. The whole just buy ray tracing cards, and excusing poor VRMs on MBs aches back to an era printed media was king and you'd make your pick off the charts on a magazine that could just massage the results how ever way they pleased if that meant more and better sponsors deals. Ence the phrasing, independent reviewers, the kind that live and die over how honest they are, even if that means companies stop supplying them with samples and they have to buy them themselves. No one is claiming every single independent reviewer is good, there's no need to make note of that exclusion without detriment to the point.
I can't wait for the day that he actually has the balls to say "DAM IT I'M AN EXPERT AND YOUR TAKING ME OUT OF CONTEXT" He won't though witch i guess keeps him humble and always learning. I would be marching around vlog style pointing at testing equipment and screaming the word "Methodology!!!!!"
Hopefully there’ll be a minor revision in 2021 to improve that. Seems like you’re the only person who doesn’t put a thermal camera at the console and call it a day! ;) Thanks, Steve!
I would also like to see if the different fan manufacturers make any difference as well. Some cool better and are quieter than others. I would also like to see in a few years if memory overheating becomes a common issue that kills consoles like the ylod and rrod
The last few months it's been 100-120. Typically 80/wk on an easy week for 13 years now. I'm trying to put in more efficient processes to slow down next year. It's unhealthy and not sustainable, but we have good people here now, so can start sharing the workload.
@@GamersNexus if it worked for 13 years then it seems pretty sustainable idk. Honestly though, I have no idea how you can do 100 at your age. I'm not even 30 and any messing with my sleep murders me completely, unlike my teenage years when I could work for 40 hours straight. Can you break down by time and type the work you do in a video sometime? If you ever find yourself idle, that is.
@@GamersNexus please take care of yourself Steve. Delegate. Trust others to help you. Budget time for self-care. Thanks for your many years of hard work! It is very appreciated
there's esoteric nutjobs who actually do this because they believe it improves their brain blood flow or something like that. Look for "do it yourself trepanation" on youtube, where people give testimonials about using modified powertools to drill into their skull while fully conscious. Just thought I'd burden you with the knowledge of this, enjoy.
I suggest replacing the stock liquid cooling solution with a custom loop. A 120mm triple axial fan fits well in the hand and should proved hours of superior cooling. I would not suggest replacing the stock liquid with Alphacool Eiswasser or similar because that may cause system damage.
19:40 "I don't know why the console audience is so much more willing to just accept what is given to them" It's because it's all they got. They almost can't make it better, so it's easier to defend why their console is better than the other one's.
As an ignorant console peasant I greatly appreciate you taking the time to ease the mind of a lot of us ps5 owners who are worried that the $500 purchase they just made won't go to waste in the next year or 2. I agree Sony obviously could have done better. Thank you once again Mr. Pcmasterrace engineer god. Great video.
Percentage wise consoles obviously have more kids that are far more emotionally invested in their console of choice, not that companies haven't actively encourage tribe mentality though.
In this case the dust holes will be open so pressure will drop and cooling will get worse, and better at the same time because the intake will be more open. Also if it gets "worse" then fan will probably just spin faster. So actually not that obvious that all temps would improve
It's due to marketing and console design. People are confused why Sony would make the panels so large and have such a specific shape of the side panels if it is purely cosmetic and makes the console large and impractical to install.
I think custom 3D printed mesh PS5 panels could be a good idea. You aren’t technically physically altering any of the hardware, so you wouldn’t lose warranty.
I was thinking about this too. Although, those panels are really big so you’d need a printer with a fairly big build volume. I’d need to check dimensions of those panels to see if I could print one on my printer.
@@muaries12 Maybe selling the printed panels would be difficult, but someone could definitely make and share files online with the blueprint for the panels.
As a PS fan I am happy to see this video. I've seen Ytbers who claim they are not biased but all their videos are about how bad MS is and how good the PS is. They don't get us PS fans anywhere. The more you point out the weaknesses the more likely that a company like Sony will try to make the product you love better. Praise where praise belongs but constructive critic is what help the most. And if they don't listen, they should fail and get better the next time.
sadly what moves youtubers are visuals and money, talking bad about ps5 when almost all your followers are ps fans is a suicide, thats why we shouldnt take the info from them, they are the same people who fight against console war and then upload "ps5 vs xbox who load faster" etc
@@HalfdeadRider yes but even still, the, you shouldn't have to fix a product to make it good. Like the Asus 5700 XT Strix. You can fix it with washers, but you shouldn't have to. It's why Apple never updates their hardware till they totally replace it. Nobody complains when it's bad so they keep it as it is. Hell half the time people blaim it as the users fault. It can be fixed with a longer thermal pad, but it is annoying it was an issue in the first place. It likely won't lead to any issues in the near future but may in say 4-8 years. I know I saw a couple people with launch PS4s having stability issues when Battlefront 2 came out. The launch PS4 also had bad thermal pad contact. It's why quickly after launch they stopped making the glossy PS4s and released the fully matte ones.
NGL i've been watching GN videos every now and then for a while now and I never understand anything tbh. It's usually just when they show fps comparisons where I can say "hey I know what those are"
As someone who loves tech and building Pc'sm but also someone who head kind of starts to blur when you ask me to read a ton of numbers, I really appreciate this video.
@Brandon HibbardHe said if the panels can be purchased... As in you buy some extra ones do the hole drilling and venting in those, then try it on the console. If they don't work replace the old ones back. Doin that aint gonna fuck your warranty as Sony has said the panels can be swapped meaning they aren't advocating against it (which they would if it was against warranty). Worse case scenario is you lose the extra panels you bought which shouldn't be that much.
I'm always impressed with the amount of respect and common sense on display when I watch videos from this channel. I might not often understand when is being spoken about during these videos, but I'm not afraid to ask questions with the amount of integrity imbued in this channel.
Love this sort of content - my major complaint with a lot of tech youtubers is the assumption that everyone already knows the basics + context of results. Here, even if you know nothing, you can learn something and imo that's really important.
Did you see the different fan models across different units? Yours is the same as what Sony showed in their teardown. The other fan model isn't just a different manufacturer too, IIRC it's a design with different blade angle/length/number of blades. One model has 17 main blades (with additional mini blades on the hub), the other has 23 blades.
@@2nd_Directorate or you know Sony could just could have maxed out the manufacturer of one fan and had to go to another company to make more fans just to try to make enough systems.
@@startedtech not always, different manufacturers could be tooled completely different. Or Sony simply gave them dimensions so that it could fit and operate, not specifying the amount of blades or pitch.
@@madmax2069 But why wouldn't Sony specify it? It's not like Noctua where the place of manufacturer is extremely hard to tell. Sony, of all companies, you would think want all of their consoles to be the same.
My ps4 did that a while ago, first generation ps4 and used it for years. I had to change the thermal paste, but then, it worked great again. Even wayyy quieter 👍
I have owned every Playstation and have never had any problems. I'm not saying that other people have had problems. I'm only talking about my experience. I will RECOMMEND any Playstation I've owned myself. I also have the PS5 non digital version and I'm loving playing on it! I will say I don't like that they made it with a white controller. I do know they will eventually make different designed and colored versions.
@@dprevail5164 one person said it was a launch PS4 that had that issue and GN did say the launch PS4 had the same issue of poor contact to the one memory chip. After years of use the heat limit probably came down enough for it to hit it when totally taxed and BF2 was a pretty intensive game.
@@Skylancer727 I have always gotten all my Playstation when they were for pre-order and no problems for me. I have the PS5 and no problems with it as well. That is so far.
13:15 a great visual example of this for people who are confused would be server chassis and coolers, where the coolers are passive blocks of metal w/ fins and they just rely on the screaming fans to blow air front to back. Take the top off, and less air is making it thru the fins, and is going outside instead. I think that'd help ppl understand what was meant more easily, if one wanted to spend the time editing in an example like that to make a point (which I understand not wanting to do for an ask gn video)
"I don't know why the console audience is so much more willing to accept what's just given to them." It's a matter of user control. If you don't have control over the design or components in a system, then you basically don't have a choice but to accept what is given to you. If you are assembling your own system however, you are forced to put a lot more thought into each component and what kind of design you should choose for each component.
@@profix25lo I suppose that audience age is not so important in this case. I think it is really more mentality and marketing sort of things, as @Fully Silent PCs said, like Android (you have a huge choice of devices, so you need to make at least some research) vs iOS (only iPhone, no need to think, cause huge corporation already made it for you). And I met people of different age who are huge Apple fanboys.
There is also ignorance (not stupidity) that has a certain affect on these things. I used iPhones and consoles for years, until I experienced Android and PC gaming and realized that it's the superior option for me.
@@ReasonX3 Thats a good point. But younger people tend to fanboyism more than older ones. When i was a kid i was a xbox fanboy as in that age you can not admit that you might have bought the wrong console
I am so happy that you did not change your language to "tech for dummies". The console fanboys should feel the need to research this stuff by themselfs instead of believing what Sony or MS tells them.
Lol, they're just not going to do that. If you want to increase engagement with a layman, the correct way is not to constantly throw technical words to explain your points. Imagine if someone did that to you for a topic you're vaguely interested in - you would just not care enough in the end to search for additional information on what all this jargon means just so you can understand what that guy was talking about. This is also why Linus is so popular. They simplify things so that everyone can roughly understand what the situation is so that they can explain/do interesting stuff with it
@@adamm1117 Thats also why Linus is not very well liked among tech enthusiasts. As soon as Linus does something that needs deeper understanding of something that is not consumer hardware. (Peltier elements) He massivly fucks up and tells his audience that it is bad even though it is not. He was just not able to make it work. No matter if my reasoning in my first comment is right or wrong. Steve should never change his language so that newbs can understand him
@@profix25lo It doesn't matter if Linus isn't liked by tech enthusiasts. Rather, this is about engagement, and how long someone who wasn't familiar with this stuff will keep watching until they get frustrated and just close the view. Steve himself said in this video that he knew that the console piece was going out to people who are not used to GN and their type of content. Not adjusting your language to your audience is just elitism and doesn't accomplish anything but letting you feel superior to people. In the original piece, Steve did just that iirc, and he tried to minimize it.
@@adamm1117 Its not elitism. He just does not want to change his language or he wants to set higher standards for tech-knowledge. If he changes his language now so people subscribe and watch more videos they will unsubscribe on the next video when he talks normal again
Console fanboys avoid PC specifically to avoid dealing with tech issues. Or thats their claim anyway. Of course reality with modern consoles and their Green Screens of Death or Red Rings of Death is very different.
PC gamers get less upset because their systems contain parts from a variety of manufacturers. Console gamers get their box from one company. Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo. They have sworn themselves to their tribe and any perceived 'attack' on that tribe is met with hostility.
@J Thorsson WTF. Gaming is entertainment and people regardless of their intelligence will do it. I'd argue intelligent people play more games but maybe not the third person action adventure games with stealth elements.
From what I understand , when you "uncover" problems on a product, it's just gonna make it better in the end if the companies listen to suggestions. Keep doing what you do, great content !
Longtime console user and longtime subscriber to your channel. I sincerely appreciate your critiques of the console products. I think it's important that consumers know this information as 99% of us don't have the knowledge or technical ability to run these tests. Thanks for your content!
I guess a simple "mod" you could make if you have access to an adequate 3d-printer and some 3d-modeling skill would be to print some new side panels with strategically placed air ventilation.
@@whydoihavetodothisannoying because someone who paid hundreds of dollars for a console might not want a weird ugly black cube in their living room Edit: after reading this it sounds like I'm dissing the xbox lmao
@@whydoihavetodothisannoying Aesthetics and some of us have cats or the like. Just suggesting a mod that wouldnt void warranty, not implying its a practicle sulotion.
why would anyone blindly defend sony for thermal design? did they not own a ps4 or ps4pro. jesus christ i've stood next to light aircraft that were quieter than a ps4 pro loading a game. and those consoles still ran hot. honestly i was very impressed with the thermal results the ps5 had. sony clearly put a lot more thought and effort into its design this time
Just could have used a slightly bigger thermal pad. You can fix it personally but you still shouldn't have to. It's like Asus's Strix 5700XT. You could add washers to it to make it actually properly cooled, but your shouldn't have to.
@@F41LZZz I don't think it is shit. it struggles more coz it's trying to do 4k, while base ps4 could do 1080 fine. I think it was a pointless upgrade. Hmmm, maybe I do think it was shit.
@@smash461986 yeah it was horrible, especially as i didn't even hook it up to my 4k tv. I didn't even do any research before buying it. even now i don't understand why the ps4pro doesn't utilize the extra graphics power at 1080p. it makes no sense. and playing on it for me was like going back 10 years, from a pc gamer perspective. games running at 30fps... is just not ok, and 60 feels slow. so i was probably never going to be happy on that platform. i got suckered into buying a ps4 for the exclusives.... what i won't do again. i honestly enjoyed watching god of war being played, over playing it. because i didn't have to deal with the lag and the stutter. also not being use to the controller.
How does it make the ps4 pro the "huge piece of shit" when you're the one that failed to research what it does and used it in a way that doesn't take advantage of its advantages?
I know very little about your craft sir, so I felt this was very educational as someone who knows basics. I apologise for the console people, which I am in fact a part of. This does explain why Sony has stated that ps5 will have a shorter life span a few times
Just a regular viewer dropping a comment to say, this video is still educational to me, replacing thermal pads being possible. The part about lowering costs for components, sounds like accounting basically? And agree that both, we should demand better when we find poor construction/components, and also it's smart for Sony to make the console as cheaply as possible to maximize profit.
I'm one of the "New audience" that you mentioned. Now I'm a new "subscriber". Glad I found your channel. Great content. I'd love to see your analysis of the Series X.
I've had my PS5 a year now and have been watching your videos lately. Really good stuff and because of your videos I have become aware of just how hot my PS5 runs. I bought replacement plates for it that have dust filters and vents to help with the airflow. Hope it makes my system run a bit cooler. Really enjoy the console and don't want it to die prematurely so thanks.
I'll be doing some thermal mods to my PS5 once its warranty expires. Still happy with it as is though - my PS4 even with thermal grizzly kryonaut was still extremely loud and hot. Being able to play Red Dead 2 with a silent console is quite nice.
As a normal viewer I watched this to help support the channel and hope more console players/buyers ask more questions and quit accepting what is given to them
Sony fanboys are toxic. Gotta love the "Sony's engineers would have caught it if they had problems". Well Apple and Samsung have way more engineers and Apple has had an issue with basically every phone ever and their butterfly keys and Samsung had an exploding phone. Guess we should just ignore that because "they have engineers".
Every fanboy is toxic. The only difference is the number of fanboys a certain brand/company/ideology has. Engineers need to compromise between different aspects of a product. A lot of times, they need to contend with the management and design teams.
More like, all fanboys are toxic. I don’t know why they defend products like they are sponsored by them. It’s okay to prefer a product over another but don’t be a fanboy.
The problem with console fanboys is that they have 0 knowledge of hardware, so for them everything is magic and they depends on CEO and companies declarations like it is the absolute truth
I remember before with the playstation2 slim we just point a small fan and every thing is ok, we can play whole day with it without any overheating at all.
My friend had a original PS2, he didn't ever clean the thing so dust and fur just kept building up. It got to the point of where air was barely circulating. You could hear the fan going at it but hardly anything coming out. It never once overheated and he played it all day long. At max the PS2 consumes around 32W (the slim is around 25w), so it wouldn't take much to keep thermals in check. I was helping him reorganize his room when I seen the rear of his PS2 (it looked like a cat was trying to fit it's way into the fan, and the inside was completely packed of dust and fur). I'm the one that cleaned it out for him, he wasn't even going to clean it even after seeing it.
That JEDEC standard is like the international standard cup of tea; it's designed to be unambiguous (for reproducible results), not particularly good or to suit every situation.
Glad you made this, i'm a long time viewer and PC chap. But i have plenty of friends who are not. Your explanation of panels / airflow will serve them well when i share the video.
@@madmax2069 I'm an AMD fan. And only buy and build with AMD CPUs/GPUs/APUs since the earliest 2000s.... and yes, the Jaguars, like everything coming out of the Bulldozer camp was horrible, shitty, weak and laggy. Go and build an HTPC with first Gen Ryzen APUs. Even the ZEN 1 4c/4t 2200G will destroy everything AMD came up with before 2017. It's not even close. You can even game with those Ryzen APUs. The old A4, A6 and A8 APUs only had a good graphics unit compared to Intel iGPUs. Everything else was trash in any category.- I had a Tablet, a Notebook and a mini-PC with. Switching from my FX-8320 to Ryzen 5 1600 was like switching from a Bobby Car to a spaceship with warp drive. I also built a mini-PC for my gf with a Ryzen 5 2400G and it was a quantum leap compared to my former Zotac Zbox nano AQ02
1) Thank you for the time, dedication and sumpremely through, testing, breakdown and wording. I'm a noob, I understand so little if the terms you used in thee thermal testing BUT I understood enough! I'm so relieved you addressed the "blind Sony defense" because I asked around, and I found that from many console owners and pc builders I got the, "If Sony deemed it necessary, they would've done it, they test these tuings and study them rigorously so they're designed to run hot" which made me feel stupid, but I knew a HUGE heat spot on my floor where my PS5 vents couldn't just be nothing. 2) I don't keep PS5 in a tightly closed entertainment system, it's got a foot of space all around to run, and on a bit of an elevation. I saw custom side plates with side slats cut into it where the fan runs, and wondered if those would improve anything, but then worried about it becoming a "dust hole"....would it be a bad idea? How can I safely place a mesh on those slats on the custom faceplate, not anywhere on the inner console? Is playing without side plates all the time a bad idea? Anyway...thanks for all this good info, it was real helpful for this noob.
"Our normal audience doesn't need to watch this part." Yes, yes I do lol. Because I get the (potential) frustration on the GN side and still like to laugh at how silly people can be sometimes.
As a console gamer with a passing interest in PC tech I've watched your channel for a while now. Just want to say I'm really glad you dipped your toe in for the new generation console launches. I'm grateful someone with the expertise and experience in the PC space was willing to put it under the microscope in this way. Good on you. Sorry about the fanboys, though...
[Imgur](i.imgur.com/MkZGzeJ.png) I noticed that Gamers Nexus left a gap between the heat shield and the PCB where they routed the wires out (even though they claimed there's an uplift, which there isn't) compared to stock (where there is no gap). See image below. This gap could create less pressure between the GDDR chip and the heatsink/thermal pad, potentially resulting in the poor thermals they measured (for thermal pads, gaps and pressure makes a huge difference). [Imgur](i.imgur.com/MkZGzeJ.png) If they didn't create this gap, the GDDR chip temp might be closer (but not exactly) to the 65 Celsius they measured on the "good" GDDR chip (they were guessing this chip was being cooled on the PCB opposite side). Thoughts?
Where did you find the second picture showing no gap? Just curious. I feel like that gap could be making this whole test here not accurate, especially since it’s on the side with the hot memory.
@@10hinshaw i got the image from: amp.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/k716p0/worlds_first_person_to_do_a_ps5_cooling_mod/ Yeah the test method has flaws that make me doubt the findings. Also, i tested a magnet on the heat shield and it is not magnetic as he claims. He's testing the metal bracket underneath.
You can look at the datasheet for the Memory ICs and just like any other component, it's rated lifespan at 100C and 50C would 100% be different, by a significant amount if 100C is near the component's maximum rated temperate. It only needs to last as long as the warranty.
People have tried. As far as we've seen (so far) those sorts of detailed data sheets don't exist, publicly at least. Plus like Steve's said, at least twice, we have no idea how Sony bins it's RAM nor if they have a letter of exception from RAM supplier.
Own all the Play Stations (2,3,4) & I've found the most optimal placement for external fans is towards the player's face because it helps w/over heating when your game crashes right at a climax in the story.
I recall the 360's issue was often the power block overheating, causing voltage issues to the main box. They set mine up in exactly that open air way, never had a rrod.
I had a launch unit and never had a rrod. Though later on I traded it in for a MW3 slim as it had better wifi built in than the shitty adapter I got at Gamestop.
Yup, I had the elite model that released right before the "fixed" serial code 360s but I never had problems even though I'd leave gta4 running on it for days at a time due to keeping the console and the power brick in a high airflow area.
Looking at my console friends, I would say the used vocabulary is maybe a bit too complex/computer enthusiast heavy for an average console gamer. Literally everyone of them complained about the PS4 noise level while shoving the device inside a small "heat chamber" below the TV, no shit the fan has to turn the rpm up when it has to recirculate hot air all the time. However, a very good attempt to address a wider audience.
Even worse, the internet is rife with photos from people who finally opened their "loud" ps4 and found the internals completely clogged with dust, hair, whatever. Console owners rarely ever take the few minutes ever year or so to do any sort of "preventive maintenance" like cleaning air paths, etc.
DG Burns Let's be real, most PC gamers don't clean their PCs either, haha. The number of dusty PCs on craigslist is still high. I've bought used gpu's i had to break down to get all of the dust and pet hair out of, soak the PCB in electronics cleaner and replace thermal pads to get out cigarette smoke. People are nasty in general, consoles just make it harder to clean and other than saying to vacuum the vents the manufacturers didn't really tell people to clean them out. This time around Sony boasted about that dust trap area, will see how well that works.
@@FireMrshlBill oh for sure, I didn't mean to imply only consoles get nasty from lack of cleaning, or use in a dirty/smoky/etc environment. I guess what I was really trying to get across was consoles tend to be more "plug it in and forget about it", something both seem to have taken more into account this gen, but like you said we'll see... It's WAY too early to make any conclusions about long term thermals, despite "the internet" (and redditiots in particular) wanting to conclude after only three weeks that "Sony screwed up".
Ive noticed that the stand blocks a good chunk of exhaust from the bottom of the console. So what I've done is removed the stand totally and out a rubber block on the back under the console and one at the front under the console so it's elevated and allows air to cleanly exhaust the console from the bottom
I really enjoyed the PS5 piece and looking forward to a similar one for Xbox. It's less about will I buy this device and more about how I think about the design of something. After watching GN for some time I instinctively question where does it breathe when looking at a PC, but these videos remind me those same questions are applicable to other types of technology that maybe highly form driven. It's really good to get a view of something different and be reminded all the same principles apply.
Phones are probably the weirdest being fully passive and as such a case makes them run worse. Though there is the ROG phone with a built in fan, though it still is mostly passive.
I wholeheartedly admit I’m a console peasant and know nothing about PCs basically (although I’m starting to understand it a very tiny bit) and I was a bit concerned after watching your PS5 video. I came across a lot of these same comments on Reddit myself and still wasn’t entirely sure what to believe lol. Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions and to go over your findings a bit more in depth. It’s nice to know that while the memory thermals could be better, it does not appear to be as much of a problem as I originally thought. Thank you for your hard work.
"The typical recommended operating temperatures ranges between 0C to 95C. The reading materials on Micron's GDDR6X don't reveal the TJ Max for the new memory chips so there's still a bit of mystery to the topic. According to Igor, the general consent is around 120C before the GDDR6X chips suffer damage" When i googled gddr6x temps i got this paragraph up top. If this is accurate are the temps not within a margin before damage occurs?
I think it's great that console gamers are watching these videos, I really hope they learn as much about air-flow, best practices and general tech knowledge from GN that we, the PC community have been doing for years.
20:40 that's called value engineering, they can sometimes be whole departments and can compete for corporate brownie points just like any other department.
gj! its looks painful to restrain yourself adressing these comments but you do it anyways ! would be funny to get the non pg-13 version ! but im sure it would not belong on youtube !
I really enjoy these videos, when you explain content to people outside your typical audience. I loved when you brought up, some engineer at Sony is probably saying I Told You!... Because I’m a Network engineer at a large IT organization and that happens ALL the time when working with the various business focused members of our organization. I feel like the people who ask some of these questions don’t have much experience on how large organizations work. You have the engineers, who really just want to make the best thing they can from a pure functional standpoint. Then you have the designers who wants to make the nicest cosmetic design possible. Then you have the product managers trying to drive down cost. Then marketing team trying to find the right angle to market the product. And there are project managers in charge of making everyone compromise... I love seeing a product and coming to a conclusion that, oh the design team definitely it there way on this one, or Oh! The engineering team got their way this time. Then there’s the products where project managers did an amazing job and got all teams to work together and the product has the best of most aspects. Keep up the great work GN!
Even from a non-techie perspective...I really don't understand how someone could not understand how removing the side panels would improve thermals. There's only one fan. It's restricting airflow. like a blanket keeps you warmer for a reason.
It's like rolling down the window of your car, it cools the inside off. What a novel fucking idea that removing a side panel would help in the same fashion.
In regards to adding a fan on the intake: rise in temperature due to stagnant air would only be an issue if the exhaust side is not sufficient in size. ie: large volume of air intake but small exhaust builds back pressure because air can’t escape fast enough. Result: Stagnation lending to trapped heated air waiting its turn to escape. A balance of proper exhaust to intake ratio need be applied. In the PS5’s case, there is sufficient exhaust sizing to fulfill adding an additional intake fan. This is not just my theory, this is in practice as well.
Likely come in as limited edition or something. Would love 3rd parties to be able to go ham on after market side panels though. Sony should open it up & just get 10-20% royalty or something.
About modding the PS5. There is one mod that I actually would recommend. I purchased a set of replacement side panels for my ps5 for about $30 off ebay. They come in various colors, pick your favorite, whatever, and then I took a large hole saw and cut a 70mm hole directly over top of the fan intake. This does seem to improve flow into the machine quite a bit, and it runs much quieter as a result. I'm not sure if I would recommend this mod if you lay your ps5 on it's side, but mine stands up all of the time. So it has been a very interesting experiment, and I would honestly love to see you guys test to see if I'm as smart as I think I am...
Watch our PlayStation 5 thermal & power benchmarking here: ua-cam.com/video/MmggkW6usmQ/v-deo.html
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Lol I trust you guys and liked the video you made about the PS5. I say the people who are getting mad at you about the thermal issue's tell them to show the exact math behind it. Meaning take up thermal dynamics book learn all the solutions and proofs from the book. What you just basically did is a lab test. I enjoy when you guys do some lab tests. So thank you.
Is this memory module the only one that is running hot? What about the one that is next to it?
Lets be honest the PS5 is underwhelming for the size you expect to have something different but so far we looking at 60fps 1440p and 30fps 4k* sony may try to sell their fake 4k the one that uses up scaling or some shet but its not True 4k its up scaled/ part of it renders 4k whilst rest of screen renders lower they sold the same thing on ps4 pro.
Watch it for yourself: ua-cam.com/video/MmggkW6usmQ/v-deo.html
@@woofaki5550
He said it in the og vid......
You already know what's coming when you hear "we reached a wider than normal audience"
This would be the perfect spot for a pc master race jab. Alright you console peasants, listen up. Sadly, everyone feels personally attacked now and the fun of the bickering has been lost.
Uneducated normie fanboys incoming in 3, 2, 1, ...
I love it... "people these days" smh...
I'm not that fat!
that's called dealing with the general public as an enthousiast+
“Removing the side panels off of just about anything will make it run better “ good news for anyone that owns a Jeep
I can confirm my microwave now runs much better. Thanks for the tip Steve, my cat is getting warmed at the same time now, Bonus.
((It's not..... um..... dangerous is it...... Naaaaa)
Steve has practiced what he preached by removing the panels from his bikes since the dawn of time.
@@KillaBitz why is the cat's eye hanging out tho?
or a plane
I believe the console will have some serious problems during summer, I think Sony kind of knew this so that's why they launched it during autumn (almost winter). Crazy thing, over here they launch it during summer and the physical ps5 is actually more expensive than a gaming pc xD
“why is this caveman with beautiful hair grunting angrily at a wifi box”
- general “wider” audience upon hearing Steve use technical computer speak at a console
They hated Tech Jesus because He told them the truth.
counsel folk are a lot like iphone folk, there can be no wrongdoing - the products are always perfect! take my wallet!
Beautiful hair that is crying out for a good conditioner!!
@@SWIRFTV There's a lot of people in the console community that think their favorite console manufacturers can do no wrong, the extremists especially will go out of their way to defend any criticism, at times by character assassination. It's kind of always been that way and it's fueled by emotional attachment to the brand because of good marketing and hype.
@@Duvoncho there has to be some sort of sponsorship deal opportunity here. www.nexxus.com/uk/home.html
Steve, while trying to explain something to a wider audience: "You take the *anemometer* [...]"
Yeah, inserting some b-roll from Steve's airflow chamber might have demonstrated clearly the impacts if obstructing intake and/or exhaust path if a fan.
😂😂😂😂
I’m on console, I know about his channel, I call him tech jesus, but I don’t watch him as much as DF cause he’s a diff type of content, plus I don’t understand a single thing Steve says
LOL
😂 Thanks! Now I’ve got coffee in my nose.
"If you can replace the capacitor yourself, you're beyond what this content is for" Well maybe yes, but that doesn't mean I don't love watching it everyday haha
To be fair, our views of GN videos keep them from getting completely buried under the algorithms and Among Us clips.
I honestly feel like this Good Burger clip every time Steve talks technical: ua-cam.com/video/Ccoj5lhLmSQ/v-deo.html
True! Most of the time I am watching GN content is because I am tired of "false prophets" out there explaining everything as if it's all or nothing, full of ignorance and bias... Steve found things that for sure the engineers know about it. However, budget, PMs, internal politics etc, will always win. It's good to see, listen, and know that are other people who think like you, and that you are not alone :)
I was gonna say something similar. I'm certainly not beyond this content, and could pretty easily replace a capacitor.
I can and have replaced capacitors before, as well as resistors, transistors, and a lot of other components on boards, and I still watch all of GNs content.
It'd be interesting to heat up the memory modules with a heat gun (in some controlled manner) and see what temperature above ambient would cause instability.
Was thinking about that!
This is a very good suggestion... Liked this.
@@GamersNexus [insert kermit meme here] DO IT
@@GamersNexus PLEASE KERMIT TO THIS
@@chrinaldi well the issue is that silicon breaks down slowly with heat so the longer it stays over a certain threshold the more that max temperature it can hit creeps downward. It's why an overclocked chip won't maintain the same clocks for 5 years. After a few years the heat or higher voltage breaks down the silicon so it's maximum potential is lowered. It would be a good test for a launch unit but as for one that has sat in an un-air conditioned room for 4 years the temperature limit may creep into normal usage temps. Not guaranteed but it could.
"just practicality of having exposed fans and maybe you have kids or pets or....mmm...long hair"
It feels like Steve talks about his past tragic experience with exposed fans :D
Let's just say his former pet Persian kitten was never the same after that incident.
I got my hair caught in a case fan once. Its not that painful, and the fans are designed to cut out, but it took me ages to clear the hair out and that fan was noisy from then on. I had to replace it.
@@rustumlaattoe I cut my finger on a 40mm Server fan, I'd hate to get my hair caught in that..
@@stevenglover9833 Ahw. Those high RPM fans. Especially when the blades are swept to a leading point.
That’s why I’m bald now
How can anyone trust a company over an independent reviewer?
The only reason we've been getting a better standard of quality from products in the last decade or so is thanks to the easily accessible independent reviewers that are pro consumer.
Take a moment to be grateful for Gamers Nexus and others like them.
LMAO yeah sure
@@santana8022 You disagree? You one of them corporate drones? Then this channel isn't for you.
So damn true
Because independent reviewers don't automatically equal to good, for example, you trust this channel over independent reviewers of this channel. Gamer Nexus is cool, but just saying your comment is flawed
@@1meen1 there is it, the nit pick cheap philosopher trying to come across as a deep thinker.
What OP was likely talking about is old magazine and even website publications that were too corporate and not always, if ever, pro consumer.
You can see that a lot on video game reviewers which are basically going extinct since no one trusts them anymore.
As far as hardware review, Tom's Hardware is a good example. The whole just buy ray tracing cards, and excusing poor VRMs on MBs aches back to an era printed media was king and you'd make your pick off the charts on a magazine that could just massage the results how ever way they pleased if that meant more and better sponsors deals.
Ence the phrasing, independent reviewers, the kind that live and die over how honest they are, even if that means companies stop supplying them with samples and they have to buy them themselves.
No one is claiming every single independent reviewer is good, there's no need to make note of that exclusion without detriment to the point.
It really speaks to the strength of knowledge and integrity of the crew at GN for them to make videos like this. You guys are doing a great job!
I can't wait for the day that he actually has the balls to say "DAM IT I'M AN EXPERT AND YOUR TAKING ME OUT OF CONTEXT"
He won't though witch i guess keeps him humble and always learning.
I would be marching around vlog style pointing at testing equipment and screaming the word "Methodology!!!!!"
Hopefully there’ll be a minor revision in 2021 to improve that. Seems like you’re the only person who doesn’t put a thermal camera at the console and call it a day! ;) Thanks, Steve!
Yup that's Steve.
The console rumor mills are already talking about a new PS5 model being released.
Those rumor mills churn through so much absolute garbage and vomit that there's no reason to believe anything coming out of them.
I would also like to see if the different fan manufacturers make any difference as well. Some cool better and are quieter than others. I would also like to see in a few years if memory overheating becomes a common issue that kills consoles like the ylod and rrod
This comment didn't age well lol
I wonder what Steve's work hours are on a normal week. The guy lives and breathes tech. I hope he gets a break before he burns out
The last few months it's been 100-120. Typically 80/wk on an easy week for 13 years now. I'm trying to put in more efficient processes to slow down next year. It's unhealthy and not sustainable, but we have good people here now, so can start sharing the workload.
@@GamersNexus I hope those hours include time spent with the CEO of GN, mr Snowflake.
@@GamersNexus if it worked for 13 years then it seems pretty sustainable idk. Honestly though, I have no idea how you can do 100 at your age. I'm not even 30 and any messing with my sleep murders me completely, unlike my teenage years when I could work for 40 hours straight.
Can you break down by time and type the work you do in a video sometime? If you ever find yourself idle, that is.
@@GamersNexus If you need a break, my name's Steve and I know about computery things. I even have a long wig and a mountain bike.
@@GamersNexus please take care of yourself Steve. Delegate. Trust others to help you. Budget time for self-care.
Thanks for your many years of hard work! It is very appreciated
"Steve, I have a fever. Should I cut holes in my skull to let the heat out?" -Twitter user
just don't go full Linus
Replace the stock thermal paste with thermal grizzly kryonaut, and add some washers if the skull doest make proper contact
Water cooling ftw!
there's esoteric nutjobs who actually do this because they believe it improves their brain blood flow or something like that. Look for "do it yourself trepanation" on youtube, where people give testimonials about using modified powertools to drill into their skull while fully conscious. Just thought I'd burden you with the knowledge of this, enjoy.
I suggest replacing the stock liquid cooling solution with a custom loop. A 120mm triple axial fan fits well in the hand and should proved hours of superior cooling. I would not suggest replacing the stock liquid with Alphacool Eiswasser or similar because that may cause system damage.
19:40 "I don't know why the console audience is so much more willing to just accept what is given to them"
It's because it's all they got. They almost can't make it better, so it's easier to defend why their console is better than the other one's.
As an ignorant console peasant I greatly appreciate you taking the time to ease the mind of a lot of us ps5 owners who are worried that the $500 purchase they just made won't go to waste in the next year or 2. I agree Sony obviously could have done better. Thank you once again Mr. Pcmasterrace engineer god. Great video.
Percentage wise consoles obviously have more kids that are far more emotionally invested in their console of choice, not that companies haven't actively encourage tribe mentality though.
@TheGoat Your opinion, is false.
The inability to afford more than one console is the only reason for the tribe mentality. That and friends needing to be on the same console.
@TheGoat the accuracy, there's tribalism literally in every section of tbe tech world.
Lol the fact that u had to explain if u take panels off any device would run cooler made me laugh, saw the frustration in your reactions lmao
This should be common sense lol
In this case the dust holes will be open so pressure will drop and cooling will get worse, and better at the same time because the intake will be more open. Also if it gets "worse" then fan will probably just spin faster. So actually not that obvious that all temps would improve
@@nando03012009 I'll try it with my Refrigerator tonight.
It's due to marketing and console design. People are confused why Sony would make the panels so large and have such a specific shape of the side panels if it is purely cosmetic and makes the console large and impractical to install.
I think custom 3D printed mesh PS5 panels could be a good idea. You aren’t technically physically altering any of the hardware, so you wouldn’t lose warranty.
Upvote this^^^^^
I was thinking about this too.
Although, those panels are really big so you’d need a printer with a fairly big build volume. I’d need to check dimensions of those panels to see if I could print one on my printer.
Has to be amateur. Sony shut down a company selling custom panels
@@muaries12 Maybe selling the printed panels would be difficult, but someone could definitely make and share files online with the blueprint for the panels.
@@muaries12 i think the company looked pretty scammy though. So I'm not sure we really won't see 3rd party panels at some point.
When youtube is gone GN will still be doing benchmarks, exotic OC, and factory tours.
There is no UA-cam, only the great Steve.
They can just move to Bitchute
7:36
New SI unit defined! 'Unit of Improvement'. Measured in 'Arbitrary (finger/hand) gaps', shortened to Ag.
As a PS fan I am happy to see this video. I've seen Ytbers who claim they are not biased but all their videos are about how bad MS is and how good the PS is. They don't get us PS fans anywhere. The more you point out the weaknesses the more likely that a company like Sony will try to make the product you love better. Praise where praise belongs but constructive critic is what help the most. And if they don't listen, they should fail and get better the next time.
sadly what moves youtubers are visuals and money, talking bad about ps5 when almost all your followers are ps fans is a suicide, thats why we shouldnt take the info from them, they are the same people who fight against console war and then upload "ps5 vs xbox who load faster" etc
There was no weakness though, yes they had issue with thermal pads, but that was their doing and they also said the same will happen on PC hardware.
@@HalfdeadRider ahh wot
@@madmax2069 watch the video, then read the op, then my post, you'll understand then 👍
@@HalfdeadRider yes but even still, the, you shouldn't have to fix a product to make it good. Like the Asus 5700 XT Strix. You can fix it with washers, but you shouldn't have to. It's why Apple never updates their hardware till they totally replace it. Nobody complains when it's bad so they keep it as it is. Hell half the time people blaim it as the users fault.
It can be fixed with a longer thermal pad, but it is annoying it was an issue in the first place. It likely won't lead to any issues in the near future but may in say 4-8 years. I know I saw a couple people with launch PS4s having stability issues when Battlefront 2 came out. The launch PS4 also had bad thermal pad contact. It's why quickly after launch they stopped making the glossy PS4s and released the fully matte ones.
NGL i've been watching GN videos every now and then for a while now and I never understand anything tbh.
It's usually just when they show fps comparisons where I can say "hey I know what those are"
As someone who loves tech and building Pc'sm but also someone who head kind of starts to blur when you ask me to read a ton of numbers, I really appreciate this video.
If those white panels can be purchased it might be work drilling vent holes in them to increase air flow.
Drilling holes in the steel to make it breathe even more better
Brandon Hibbard lol
@Brandon Hibbard calm your tism
@Brandon HibbardHe said if the panels can be purchased... As in you buy some extra ones do the hole drilling and venting in those, then try it on the console. If they don't work replace the old ones back. Doin that aint gonna fuck your warranty as Sony has said the panels can be swapped meaning they aren't advocating against it (which they would if it was against warranty).
Worse case scenario is you lose the extra panels you bought which shouldn't be that much.
@@Ehh..... steel
I'm always impressed with the amount of respect and common sense on display when I watch videos from this channel. I might not often understand when is being spoken about during these videos, but I'm not afraid to ask questions with the amount of integrity imbued in this channel.
Don't care about Ps5 at all. Just enjoying daily dose of Tech Jesus content :)
Congratulations.
Thanks for checking it out even if it isn't your core interest!
Tech Jesus, damn, that's obviously who he is!
@Orion Pax Create an only fans account ;)
@@GamersNexus It is a pleasure watching your content. I learned so much from it.
Love this sort of content - my major complaint with a lot of tech youtubers is the assumption that everyone already knows the basics + context of results. Here, even if you know nothing, you can learn something and imo that's really important.
Did you see the different fan models across different units? Yours is the same as what Sony showed in their teardown. The other fan model isn't just a different manufacturer too, IIRC it's a design with different blade angle/length/number of blades.
One model has 17 main blades (with additional mini blades on the hub), the other has 23 blades.
They have at start allready different versions of their console? Thats intersting.
@@2nd_Directorate or you know Sony could just could have maxed out the manufacturer of one fan and had to go to another company to make more fans just to try to make enough systems.
@@madmax2069 the interesting thing Is it's a totally different design. You think they would use the same design.
@@startedtech not always, different manufacturers could be tooled completely different. Or Sony simply gave them dimensions so that it could fit and operate, not specifying the amount of blades or pitch.
@@madmax2069 But why wouldn't Sony specify it? It's not like Noctua where the place of manufacturer is extremely hard to tell. Sony, of all companies, you would think want all of their consoles to be the same.
Mod a ps5 into a pc case and water cool it and use it in a desktop setup
You know the content you describing is comming over at ltt.
They probably already have Anthony working around the clock on it
@@irvingchies1626 gotta earn that Cyberspunk vacation, lol
Nah gotta use Novec cooling. Way cooler.
Lol but whyyyyy defeats the purpose...no but jokes aside,would be cool to see
Star Wars Battlefront 2 is the Only game that ever made my console pop up a message and say shutting down to prevent overheating damage.
My ps4 did that a while ago, first generation ps4 and used it for years.
I had to change the thermal paste, but then, it worked great again. Even wayyy quieter 👍
@@Oldsah yeah, but the PS2 uses nowhere near the amount of power that the PS4 does. At most the PS2 consumes around 32w.
I have owned every Playstation and have never had any problems. I'm not saying that other people have had problems. I'm only talking about my experience.
I will RECOMMEND any Playstation I've owned myself. I also have the PS5 non digital version and I'm loving playing on it! I will say I don't like that they made it with a white controller. I do know they will eventually make different designed and colored versions.
@@dprevail5164 one person said it was a launch PS4 that had that issue and GN did say the launch PS4 had the same issue of poor contact to the one memory chip. After years of use the heat limit probably came down enough for it to hit it when totally taxed and BF2 was a pretty intensive game.
@@Skylancer727 I have always gotten all my Playstation when they were for pre-order and no problems for me. I have the PS5 and no problems with it as well. That is so far.
13:15 a great visual example of this for people who are confused would be server chassis and coolers, where the coolers are passive blocks of metal w/ fins and they just rely on the screaming fans to blow air front to back. Take the top off, and less air is making it thru the fins, and is going outside instead. I think that'd help ppl understand what was meant more easily, if one wanted to spend the time editing in an example like that to make a point (which I understand not wanting to do for an ask gn video)
"I don't know why the console audience is so much more willing to accept what's just given to them."
It's a matter of user control. If you don't have control over the design or components in a system, then you basically don't have a choice but to accept what is given to you.
If you are assembling your own system however, you are forced to put a lot more thought into each component and what kind of design you should choose for each component.
The average age of the audience plays a big part as well
@@profix25lo I suppose that audience age is not so important in this case. I think it is really more mentality and marketing sort of things, as @Fully Silent PCs said, like Android (you have a huge choice of devices, so you need to make at least some research) vs iOS (only iPhone, no need to think, cause huge corporation already made it for you). And I met people of different age who are huge Apple fanboys.
There is also ignorance (not stupidity) that has a certain affect on these things. I used iPhones and consoles for years, until I experienced Android and PC gaming and realized that it's the superior option for me.
No, you can tell them to make a better design like the PS2 slim, PS4 slim, a remodel/ refresh, or even just announce an early successor.
@@ReasonX3 Thats a good point. But younger people tend to fanboyism more than older ones. When i was a kid i was a xbox fanboy as in that age you can not admit that you might have bought the wrong console
I am so happy that you did not change your language to "tech for dummies". The console fanboys should feel the need to research this stuff by themselfs instead of believing what Sony or MS tells them.
Lol, they're just not going to do that. If you want to increase engagement with a layman, the correct way is not to constantly throw technical words to explain your points. Imagine if someone did that to you for a topic you're vaguely interested in - you would just not care enough in the end to search for additional information on what all this jargon means just so you can understand what that guy was talking about.
This is also why Linus is so popular. They simplify things so that everyone can roughly understand what the situation is so that they can explain/do interesting stuff with it
@@adamm1117 Thats also why Linus is not very well liked among tech enthusiasts. As soon as Linus does something that needs deeper understanding of something that is not consumer hardware. (Peltier elements) He massivly fucks up and tells his audience that it is bad even though it is not. He was just not able to make it work.
No matter if my reasoning in my first comment is right or wrong. Steve should never change his language so that newbs can understand him
@@profix25lo It doesn't matter if Linus isn't liked by tech enthusiasts. Rather, this is about engagement, and how long someone who wasn't familiar with this stuff will keep watching until they get frustrated and just close the view. Steve himself said in this video that he knew that the console piece was going out to people who are not used to GN and their type of content.
Not adjusting your language to your audience is just elitism and doesn't accomplish anything but letting you feel superior to people. In the original piece, Steve did just that iirc, and he tried to minimize it.
@@adamm1117 Its not elitism. He just does not want to change his language or he wants to set higher standards for tech-knowledge.
If he changes his language now so people subscribe and watch more videos they will unsubscribe on the next video when he talks normal again
Console fanboys avoid PC specifically to avoid dealing with tech issues. Or thats their claim anyway. Of course reality with modern consoles and their Green Screens of Death or Red Rings of Death is very different.
We need a thermal pad shootout. Throw in the TG PP10 thermal putty for good measure.
use bacon as a bonus
PC gamers get less upset because their systems contain parts from a variety of manufacturers. Console gamers get their box from one company. Microsoft, Sony, or Nintendo. They have sworn themselves to their tribe and any perceived 'attack' on that tribe is met with hostility.
"Why big hair man say PS5 no good?"
-Random PlayStation fanboy
Not too far from the truth!
“PCMR Jesuz is virgin paid Xbot”
-Any PlayStation fanboy Twitter account
@J Thorsson WTF. Gaming is entertainment and people regardless of their intelligence will do it. I'd argue intelligent people play more games but maybe not the third person action adventure games with stealth elements.
@J Thorsson So you're saying every gamer is a moron? Are you sure you're not just a moron?
@@RamenLewdle Don't be absurd. We know he's an nVidiot shill, we SAW the GeForce boxes in the background!
From what I understand , when you "uncover" problems on a product, it's just gonna make it better in the end if the companies listen to suggestions. Keep doing what you do, great content !
11:42
I see what you did placing that case ad spot at the beginning 👉😏
Longtime console user and longtime subscriber to your channel. I sincerely appreciate your critiques of the console products. I think it's important that consumers know this information as 99% of us don't have the knowledge or technical ability to run these tests. Thanks for your content!
"Why does removing the panels make it cooler?"
Why do you take your jacket off when you feel hot?
RIGHT!? 🤯🤯
But that means Sony's design isn't perfect and thus must be wrong. - Some console pleb
Actually taking my GF's clothes off make her hotter.
@@EarthIsFlat456 hotter* but that's because performance capabilities and power usage increases.
@@EarthIsFlat456 I'm wondering if applying some thermal paste might help in this situation. 🍺😊
Thermals gave me a concern because I wasn't able to watch your first video. Glad you did this one Steve!
I’ve been keeping an eye out for custom mesh side panels 😂
I saw someone who had a hole in the side panel and made RGB-leds for the fan.
I guess a simple "mod" you could make if you have access to an adequate 3d-printer and some 3d-modeling skill would be to print some new side panels with strategically placed air ventilation.
Or basically just put holes on the sides.
Even cheaper, just take off the sides
Or just put it on a pc case
Why not just pull the sides of and leave it like that.
@@whydoihavetodothisannoying because someone who paid hundreds of dollars for a console might not want a weird ugly black cube in their living room
Edit: after reading this it sounds like I'm dissing the xbox lmao
@@whydoihavetodothisannoying Aesthetics and some of us have cats or the like. Just suggesting a mod that wouldnt void warranty, not implying its a practicle sulotion.
why would anyone blindly defend sony for thermal design? did they not own a ps4 or ps4pro. jesus christ i've stood next to light aircraft that were quieter than a ps4 pro loading a game. and those consoles still ran hot.
honestly i was very impressed with the thermal results the ps5 had. sony clearly put a lot more thought and effort into its design this time
Just could have used a slightly bigger thermal pad. You can fix it personally but you still shouldn't have to. It's like Asus's Strix 5700XT. You could add washers to it to make it actually properly cooled, but your shouldn't have to.
@@Skylancer727 i really should sell my ps4pro. i haven't used it in a year.
god that thing was a pile of shit, the regular ps4 was better.
@@F41LZZz I don't think it is shit. it struggles more coz it's trying to do 4k, while base ps4 could do 1080 fine. I think it was a pointless upgrade. Hmmm, maybe I do think it was shit.
@@smash461986 yeah it was horrible, especially as i didn't even hook it up to my 4k tv. I didn't even do any research before buying it. even now i don't understand why the ps4pro doesn't utilize the extra graphics power at 1080p. it makes no sense.
and playing on it for me was like going back 10 years, from a pc gamer perspective. games running at 30fps... is just not ok, and 60 feels slow.
so i was probably never going to be happy on that platform.
i got suckered into buying a ps4 for the exclusives.... what i won't do again. i honestly enjoyed watching god of war being played, over playing it. because i didn't have to deal with the lag and the stutter. also not being use to the controller.
How does it make the ps4 pro the "huge piece of shit" when you're the one that failed to research what it does and used it in a way that doesn't take advantage of its advantages?
I know very little about your craft sir, so I felt this was very educational as someone who knows basics. I apologise for the console people, which I am in fact a part of.
This does explain why Sony has stated that ps5 will have a shorter life span a few times
REALLY looking forward to the Series X heat dissipation analysis.
Always appreciate the 3am updates!
10:20 am
@@tonn333 good morning!
8am update here
Same, i work night shift hahaha
9 am for me
This is such a refreshing video to watch. You speak with logic and intelligence without obvious bias. Love it
Just a regular viewer dropping a comment to say, this video is still educational to me, replacing thermal pads being possible. The part about lowering costs for components, sounds like accounting basically? And agree that both, we should demand better when we find poor construction/components, and also it's smart for Sony to make the console as cheaply as possible to maximize profit.
I'm one of the "New audience" that you mentioned. Now I'm a new "subscriber". Glad I found your channel. Great content. I'd love to see your analysis of the Series X.
I've had my PS5 a year now and have been watching your videos lately. Really good stuff and because of your videos I have become aware of just how hot my PS5 runs. I bought replacement plates for it that have dust filters and vents to help with the airflow. Hope it makes my system run a bit cooler. Really enjoy the console and don't want it to die prematurely so thanks.
I'll be doing some thermal mods to my PS5 once its warranty expires. Still happy with it as is though - my PS4 even with thermal grizzly kryonaut was still extremely loud and hot. Being able to play Red Dead 2 with a silent console is quite nice.
You can just add a new thermal pad to the memory chips. That should prevent it from having any issues down the line.
As a normal viewer I watched this to help support the channel and hope more console players/buyers ask more questions and quit accepting what is given to them
"You go full linus" is a nice expression, I hope it becomes an official idiom and enters English dictionaries.
Loving it when there is good honest many tech youtubers like this on the net more power to you
@Steve Any news on a similar analysis for series X?
Just wired it up! Posted some photos on Twitter.
@@GamersNexus looking forward to Sony fanbois getting mad if Series X does better.
@@EweToobUsername xbox always better
At some point people grow up... looks like some kids still want to keep up the console wars. I enjoy all console and PC games.
@@hollymolly518 Digital foundry would disagree .
I love that you do these follow up videos.
Sony fanboys are toxic. Gotta love the "Sony's engineers would have caught it if they had problems". Well Apple and Samsung have way more engineers and Apple has had an issue with basically every phone ever and their butterfly keys and Samsung had an exploding phone. Guess we should just ignore that because "they have engineers".
Every fanboy is toxic. The only difference is the number of fanboys a certain brand/company/ideology has.
Engineers need to compromise between different aspects of a product. A lot of times, they need to contend with the management and design teams.
More like, all fanboys are toxic. I don’t know why they defend products like they are sponsored by them. It’s okay to prefer a product over another but don’t be a fanboy.
All blind fanaticism of consumer products is bad / unhealthy. Great examples with Apple and Samsung.
right :D
The problem with console fanboys is that they have 0 knowledge of hardware, so for them everything is magic and they depends on CEO and companies declarations like it is the absolute truth
love it and agree 100%. There is probably an engineer in the cafeteria complaining "I told them! but did they listen? of course not!"
I remember before with the playstation2 slim we just point a small fan and every thing is ok, we can play whole day with it without any overheating at all.
My friend had a original PS2, he didn't ever clean the thing so dust and fur just kept building up. It got to the point of where air was barely circulating. You could hear the fan going at it but hardly anything coming out.
It never once overheated and he played it all day long. At max the PS2 consumes around 32W (the slim is around 25w), so it wouldn't take much to keep thermals in check.
I was helping him reorganize his room when I seen the rear of his PS2 (it looked like a cat was trying to fit it's way into the fan, and the inside was completely packed of dust and fur). I'm the one that cleaned it out for him, he wasn't even going to clean it even after seeing it.
Your phone can do a PS2 graphic level game without a fan too.
I find it adorable how much Steve tries to speak to "wider" audience w/o patronizing so they will understand everything.
the jedec standard section really reminds me of "geneva convention? more like suggestion"
That JEDEC standard is like the international standard cup of tea; it's designed to be unambiguous (for reproducible results), not particularly good or to suit every situation.
Glad you made this, i'm a long time viewer and PC chap. But i have plenty of friends who are not. Your explanation of panels / airflow will serve them well when i share the video.
19:39 forgive us. Over the last 7 years we even learned to live with Jaguar CPUs.
Jaguars aren't half bad. They were just worse than the competition in pc market.
@@Kobrar44 it was pretty damn bad, it was the sole limiter for high framerate, at least in PS4 Pro.
@@null643 it's not ideal for gaming, thats the only reason why people call it shit. but for an HTPC or a PFsense box it's pretty good.
@@null643 k
@@madmax2069 I'm an AMD fan. And only buy and build with AMD CPUs/GPUs/APUs since the earliest 2000s.... and yes, the Jaguars, like everything coming out of the Bulldozer camp was horrible, shitty, weak and laggy. Go and build an HTPC with first Gen Ryzen APUs. Even the ZEN 1 4c/4t 2200G will destroy everything AMD came up with before 2017. It's not even close. You can even game with those Ryzen APUs. The old A4, A6 and A8 APUs only had a good graphics unit compared to Intel iGPUs. Everything else was trash in any category.- I had a Tablet, a Notebook and a mini-PC with. Switching from my FX-8320 to Ryzen 5 1600 was like switching from a Bobby Car to a spaceship with warp drive. I also built a mini-PC for my gf with a Ryzen 5 2400G and it was a quantum leap compared to my former Zotac Zbox nano AQ02
1) Thank you for the time, dedication and sumpremely through, testing, breakdown and wording. I'm a noob, I understand so little if the terms you used in thee thermal testing BUT I understood enough! I'm so relieved you addressed the "blind Sony defense" because I asked around, and I found that from many console owners and pc builders I got the, "If Sony deemed it necessary, they would've done it, they test these tuings and study them rigorously so they're designed to run hot" which made me feel stupid, but I knew a HUGE heat spot on my floor where my PS5 vents couldn't just be nothing.
2) I don't keep PS5 in a tightly closed entertainment system, it's got a foot of space all around to run, and on a bit of an elevation. I saw custom side plates with side slats cut into it where the fan runs, and wondered if those would improve anything, but then worried about it becoming a "dust hole"....would it be a bad idea? How can I safely place a mesh on those slats on the custom faceplate, not anywhere on the inner console?
Is playing without side plates all the time a bad idea? Anyway...thanks for all this good info, it was real helpful for this noob.
"Our normal audience doesn't need to watch this part." Yes, yes I do lol. Because I get the (potential) frustration on the GN side and still like to laugh at how silly people can be sometimes.
Also who is Steve to think I don't wanna watch a 30min prayer of tech jesus
Want is not need
As a console gamer with a passing interest in PC tech I've watched your channel for a while now. Just want to say I'm really glad you dipped your toe in for the new generation console launches. I'm grateful someone with the expertise and experience in the PC space was willing to put it under the microscope in this way. Good on you. Sorry about the fanboys, though...
Wider audience and side panels made my night.
[Imgur](i.imgur.com/MkZGzeJ.png)
I noticed that Gamers Nexus left a gap between the heat shield and the PCB where they routed the wires out (even though they claimed there's an uplift, which there isn't) compared to stock (where there is no gap). See image below.
This gap could create less pressure between the GDDR chip and the heatsink/thermal pad, potentially resulting in the poor thermals they measured (for thermal pads, gaps and pressure makes a huge difference).
[Imgur](i.imgur.com/MkZGzeJ.png)
If they didn't create this gap, the GDDR chip temp might be closer (but not exactly) to the 65 Celsius they measured on the "good" GDDR chip (they were guessing this chip was being cooled on the PCB opposite side).
Thoughts?
Where did you find the second picture showing no gap? Just curious.
I feel like that gap could be making this whole test here not accurate, especially since it’s on the side with the hot memory.
@@10hinshaw i got the image from: amp.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/k716p0/worlds_first_person_to_do_a_ps5_cooling_mod/
Yeah the test method has flaws that make me doubt the findings. Also, i tested a magnet on the heat shield and it is not magnetic as he claims. He's testing the metal bracket underneath.
You can look at the datasheet for the Memory ICs and just like any other component, it's rated lifespan at 100C and 50C would 100% be different, by a significant amount if 100C is near the component's maximum rated temperate. It only needs to last as long as the warranty.
People have tried. As far as we've seen (so far) those sorts of detailed data sheets don't exist, publicly at least. Plus like Steve's said, at least twice, we have no idea how Sony bins it's RAM nor if they have a letter of exception from RAM supplier.
Weird to think that this wider audience might not get the "go full Linus" reference.
Own all the Play Stations (2,3,4) & I've found the most optimal placement for external fans is towards the player's face because it helps w/over heating when your game crashes right at a climax in the story.
I recall the 360's issue was often the power block overheating, causing voltage issues to the main box.
They set mine up in exactly that open air way, never had a rrod.
I had a launch unit and never had a rrod. Though later on I traded it in for a MW3 slim as it had better wifi built in than the shitty adapter I got at Gamestop.
Yup, I had the elite model that released right before the "fixed" serial code 360s but I never had problems even though I'd leave gta4 running on it for days at a time due to keeping the console and the power brick in a high airflow area.
Watching GN legit made me mod my closed acrylic case into front & top mesh case & install bunch of fans. Lost my room-heater tho 😂
Looking at my console friends, I would say the used vocabulary is maybe a bit too complex/computer enthusiast heavy for an average console gamer. Literally everyone of them complained about the PS4 noise level while shoving the device inside a small "heat chamber" below the TV, no shit the fan has to turn the rpm up when it has to recirculate hot air all the time.
However, a very good attempt to address a wider audience.
Even worse, the internet is rife with photos from people who finally opened their "loud" ps4 and found the internals completely clogged with dust, hair, whatever. Console owners rarely ever take the few minutes ever year or so to do any sort of "preventive maintenance" like cleaning air paths, etc.
DG Burns Let's be real, most PC gamers don't clean their PCs either, haha. The number of dusty PCs on craigslist is still high. I've bought used gpu's i had to break down to get all of the dust and pet hair out of, soak the PCB in electronics cleaner and replace thermal pads to get out cigarette smoke. People are nasty in general, consoles just make it harder to clean and other than saying to vacuum the vents the manufacturers didn't really tell people to clean them out. This time around Sony boasted about that dust trap area, will see how well that works.
@@FireMrshlBill oh for sure, I didn't mean to imply only consoles get nasty from lack of cleaning, or use in a dirty/smoky/etc environment. I guess what I was really trying to get across was consoles tend to be more "plug it in and forget about it", something both seem to have taken more into account this gen, but like you said we'll see...
It's WAY too early to make any conclusions about long term thermals, despite "the internet" (and redditiots in particular) wanting to conclude after only three weeks that "Sony screwed up".
DG Burns Agreed
I really appreciate the f**king long hours that you guys put in. I honestly don't know when you sleep!
"we'll be answering reddit questions" I wonder how much filth they had to get through to find good questions
That's true reddit is infested with edgy teens that laugh at their own jokes
Ive noticed that the stand blocks a good chunk of exhaust from the bottom of the console. So what I've done is removed the stand totally and out a rubber block on the back under the console and one at the front under the console so it's elevated and allows air to cleanly exhaust the console from the bottom
I really enjoyed the PS5 piece and looking forward to a similar one for Xbox. It's less about will I buy this device and more about how I think about the design of something. After watching GN for some time I instinctively question where does it breathe when looking at a PC, but these videos remind me those same questions are applicable to other types of technology that maybe highly form driven. It's really good to get a view of something different and be reminded all the same principles apply.
Phones are probably the weirdest being fully passive and as such a case makes them run worse. Though there is the ROG phone with a built in fan, though it still is mostly passive.
I wholeheartedly admit I’m a console peasant and know nothing about PCs basically (although I’m starting to understand it a very tiny bit) and I was a bit concerned after watching your PS5 video. I came across a lot of these same comments on Reddit myself and still wasn’t entirely sure what to believe lol. Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions and to go over your findings a bit more in depth. It’s nice to know that while the memory thermals could be better, it does not appear to be as much of a problem as I originally thought. Thank you for your hard work.
"The typical recommended operating temperatures ranges between 0C to 95C. The reading materials on Micron's GDDR6X don't reveal the TJ Max for the new memory chips so there's still a bit of mystery to the topic. According to Igor, the general consent is around 120C before the GDDR6X chips suffer damage"
When i googled gddr6x temps i got this paragraph up top. If this is accurate are the temps not within a margin before damage occurs?
It has gddr6 memory if I remember correctly not gddr6x
1. Wrong memory type. It's 95-100C.
2. We don't measure it the same way. There is a delta.
Awesome follow up. Well done mate...happy gaming all.
bro y u upload at 12 am i was just about to go to bed
This is the way
It was 9:10 here.
I think it's great that console gamers are watching these videos, I really hope they learn as much about air-flow, best practices and general tech knowledge from GN that we, the PC community have been doing for years.
Can you test a ps5 a year from now to see if there have been changes in the manufacturing o programming?
20:40 that's called value engineering, they can sometimes be whole departments and can compete for corporate brownie points just like any other department.
gj! its looks painful to restrain yourself adressing these comments but you do it anyways ! would be funny to get the non pg-13 version ! but im sure it would not belong on youtube !
I can just imagine Steve behind the scenes swearing up a storm
@@MCOGroupNews Hahaha, pretty accurate
@@GamersNexus I would pay for y’all if you were on Floatplane
I really enjoy these videos, when you explain content to people outside your typical audience. I loved when you brought up, some engineer at Sony is probably saying I Told You!... Because I’m a Network engineer at a large IT organization and that happens ALL the time when working with the various business focused members of our organization. I feel like the people who ask some of these questions don’t have much experience on how large organizations work. You have the engineers, who really just want to make the best thing they can from a pure functional standpoint. Then you have the designers who wants to make the nicest cosmetic design possible. Then you have the product managers trying to drive down cost. Then marketing team trying to find the right angle to market the product. And there are project managers in charge of making everyone compromise... I love seeing a product and coming to a conclusion that, oh the design team definitely it there way on this one, or Oh! The engineering team got their way this time. Then there’s the products where project managers did an amazing job and got all teams to work together and the product has the best of most aspects.
Keep up the great work GN!
Even from a non-techie perspective...I really don't understand how someone could not understand how removing the side panels would improve thermals. There's only one fan. It's restricting airflow.
like a blanket keeps you warmer for a reason.
Time to get the drill out and cheese grater the side panels. Or a Dremel and a 2x120mm dust filters, one for each side.
It's like rolling down the window of your car, it cools the inside off. What a novel fucking idea that removing a side panel would help in the same fashion.
One could wonder if physics is still taught in school....
@@Ober1kenobi Just buy another panel set to do it, so you don´t void your warranty. But that is probably one of the best thermal solutions.
12:50 Steve literally explains how removing panels CAN decrease thermal performance.
In regards to adding a fan on the intake: rise in temperature due to stagnant air would only be an issue if the exhaust side is not sufficient in size. ie: large volume of air intake but small exhaust builds back pressure because air can’t escape fast enough. Result: Stagnation lending to trapped heated air waiting its turn to escape. A balance of proper exhaust to intake ratio need be applied. In the PS5’s case, there is sufficient exhaust sizing to fulfill adding an additional intake fan. This is not just my theory, this is in practice as well.
Love it when your dig into the console drones
Cool to see you guys got more views with PS5 coverage.
Sorry it had to be a bunch of people with Kratos profile picture.
no plan to buy any consoles, really enjoyed the vid though... thank you!
Always such great content from GN, concise and unbiased.
His content while technical, is far from concise. It's kind of the opposite of concise, actually.
Will people finally start asking for mesh panels?! That's what I've been wanting since it's reveal.
[Sony dislikes that.]
They forbid 3rd party side pannels so no
@@emmata98 does that mean Sony themselves can't make it? 3rd party sellers could change in the future.
@@jimmyhaven885 it just means, that Sony would like to have the monopole.
So they decide if it will exist or not
Likely come in as limited edition or something. Would love 3rd parties to be able to go ham on after market side panels though.
Sony should open it up & just get 10-20% royalty or something.
About modding the PS5. There is one mod that I actually would recommend. I purchased a set of replacement side panels for my ps5 for about $30 off ebay. They come in various colors, pick your favorite, whatever, and then I took a large hole saw and cut a 70mm hole directly over top of the fan intake. This does seem to improve flow into the machine quite a bit, and it runs much quieter as a result.
I'm not sure if I would recommend this mod if you lay your ps5 on it's side, but mine stands up all of the time. So it has been a very interesting experiment, and I would honestly love to see you guys test to see if I'm as smart as I think I am...
Oh, obviously you don't need to order a spare set of plates to do this... but I wasn't willing to ruin the PS branded plates.
It's 3am, why am I still awake? Because Steve. Also, great answers. I learned a few things here, but it was nice of you to answer these questions.
tech is always worth it -me, at 5:33 am
Steve: You can replace thermal pads (and thermal paste, as well)
Console players: Shocked Pikachu
Cool it with LN2
LHe :)
@@emmata98 isn't it impossible to make
@@anirudhprabhu8521 Liqid Helium is possible. Der8auer used it to go below LN2. LH2 is also possible.
Just no longer the solid form I think
@@emmata98 OK thanks for correcting me
Tech Jesus to the rescue! I'm mainly a console player but I love your content. Keep it coming,