As stated in the description and video, of course, there are times a gaming chair might make sense; in general, however, our opinion on this very subjective matter is that you should buy a similarly priced office chair for the best outcome. But, as everyone's body is different and setups are different, you shouldn't feel bad about liking your gaming chair if you do have one and like it. This video includes mini-reviews of several office chairs that we've now been using for about a year at the office. The project started in December of 2019, then we filmed the bulk of the video in August of 2020, and added concluding thoughts in December of 2020. All of these chairs have been swapped around between the team for months now, and we eventually all picked our favorites. Patrick ended up preferring the ErgoChair 2, Steve preferred the Aeron after much adjustment and struggling to find the best positioning, Keegan and Andrew use the Komene Mesh chair (whoever comes in first -- we're buying a second one to solve this), and Mike uses the SL4000, but will probably also switch to an office chair once he decides which one he prefers. He does not like the SL5000 as much as the SL4000, due to the 5000's wider base. Check out our Cyberpunk graphics optimization guide here: ua-cam.com/video/TEVXVf4Hu0U/v-deo.html
Thanks for clarifying. Furthermore, it is a fool's errand to think one will find one chair that will be comfortable 12 hours a day. The best thing is to have at least two different chairs so you can switch after a few hours. This is the only thing that works. I did pay $400 or $500 for a DXRacer a few years ago only because it was the first chair i could find that had a LOCKING RECLINE position. My other is an Eames lounge chair. Both i highly recommend but it really goes without saying that you need to add customizations to both chairs to achieve satisfactory ergonomics.
I clicked on a video titled “don’t buy gaming chairs” and quickly learned more about marketing than I had ever known. Give these people a like man... they go above and beyond on EVERYTHING
I've owned 3 or 4 different "racing" gamer chairs in my life, two of which were over $200, and all of them only lasted me between 1 and 1.5 years before breaking to where they were no longer usable, either an arm rest completely breaking off, or the back being stuck in the most far back position and no longer locking in upright positions. I finally went and got a mesh-style office chair for like $150 at office depot and it's been over 4 years and it's only now begun to deteriorate to the point of me needing a new one soon.
My AK Racing gaming chair is going strong for 7 years already, sat in it every day for at least 5 hours, and it wont need replacement any time soon, i guess there are good ones out there.
Where I live this damn chair is $1500 and I almost bought this for my husband but I'm glad my brain told me to look up reviews 😂 because that would of hurt my pocket 🥲
@@StardustLegacyFighter I've owned entirely too many chairs over the past 20 years, starting out on a cheap folding chair and finally with an HM Mira 2. When i was in college I bought my first office chair, some $150 fake leather chair and it lasted all of 2 years. I bought a nicer, $200 office chair that lasted just as long. I ended up paying for two more chairs, each $300, that likewise lasted 3 years each. (Technically I still have my last one but I had to repair it twice to different failures). I ended up keeping my HM Mira 2 from my office when we all went WFH, and after six years of sitting in the thing for 8+ hours a day every day, it still feels brand new. It might be expensive to throw down $1000 for a chair, but if that chair is still going to be around after I've already gone through $1000 of worthless shitty gaming chairs, it's absolutely worth it. Boots Theory of Economics, and it's the lesson I try to tell people everytime they tell me they're thinking about getting a $300 gaming chair.
I’m currently using a straight back (as in 90 degrees) dinning room chair and boy can that get uncomfortable after a while, and I’ve slept in some pretty uncomfortable chairs.
I was shopping for bike tires once and asked why these tires cost twice as much as the other ones. The reply was that they'll last three times longer, and you won't get a flat. Turns out he was right.
@Steve Pringle this is exactly why I caved and bought a chair... a reasonably priced "gaming" chair that seemed halfway decent... a week or two before this video came out. -_- there are too many options and it's not clear which ones are actually decent, well made, and worth spending more.
Best chair I ever had was a $50 office chair from Ikea. It lasted nearly ten years before it was too hideous to keep around. Every one of those gaming chairs I've sat in seemed super slippery and uncomfortable and I always thought it was a scammy idea in the first place.
Best chair I ever owned was a $100 POS from Sams club. Thing lasted me like 5-7 years before finally dying. Nowdays chairs a little more expensive than it last 2-3 years before I have to retire them. Hell they only last me 1 year but due to financial constraint I have to keep them 2-3 before I have enough to buy a new chair.
I have had my Herman Miller Aeron for over 9 years now. I spend on average 12 hours a day in it (sliding between my work and gaming rigs). One arm fabric has worn out, and the wheels are a bit worse for wear, but it is the best chair I have ever owned. I used to break and replace chairs every year, usually spending between 100 and 700USD. I have never been happier with a purchase than the Aeron. I live in Thailand so replacement parts are hard to come by, but the next time I am in the US I will just get new arms and wheels and it will be perfect again, hopefully for another 9 years.
Holy shit, this chair costs 12x minimal wage in my country. Same situation with PC case prices. I don't understand how electronics get overseas at a better price than mechanical items. I wish some brand out there would be copying them for cheaper but it doesn't seem like it.
As a Physical Therapist who also likes to game, its amazing to see content creators emphasize the importance of keeping the body strong ALONG with proper positioning. This is why I love this channel
well then, may i ask whats the best positioning for the arms and wrists? i hear that its good to have armrests line up with the table. also hear that armrest should be just that, RESTS. my right hand with the mouse is fine, but when it comes to the left hand for the kb, it gets a bit uncomfy as the kb is elevated no matter what and my wrist rests on the table. i think itd be ideal to have a shorter desk so instead of my arms being 90 degrees, its more like 95ish. but my table is too tall and my chair doesnt go high enough. but then at that point my feet dont touch the ground. so mainly i think i need a shorter table. ive been trying the seat lower and full arms up to elbows on the table but i dont think its that much better
@@Sinsanatis You are basicly right. Back should be straight, arms resting on the arm rest without and pressure on the wrist/forearm on the table. Also keeping the wrist striaight as possible. Alot of the reading ive done actually has just the edge of the elbow on the rest and the majority of the arms are on the table
@@bryanhovanec3471 to achieve straight arms i have to sit up really straight which i think i still need to work more on my back muscles to hold. back to more or less my old position i guess. still the main issues is my feet dont touch the ground, but i just kinda put my feet on the chair legs for that. then the other thing is that the kb still angles my left hand up and i rest my wrist on the table which i know isnt ideal, but keeping my wrist up for extended gaming sessions would be uncomfortable
@@Sinsanatis i also have the same issues, i tend to slouch while at the chair. And def dont have your wrist ext this can cause the extra pressure that will lead to carpel tunnel
I find it amazing that GN have goes at others for the same thing. I mean you can buy a black T shirt for like under $10 if you want so why pay $20 for a GN one? It's just generic and millions of youtubers and companies use the same tshirt with just a different heat transfer printed on. Not as though its actually bespoke. And you can get proper T shirts designed for specific uses like working in hot environments for cheaper! I mean training tops for Soccer teams are way less and in some cases have stitching. And usually these places sell their products at the stadium meaning no need for postage and packaging. And you'd be supporting a local business. I mean it's not like a largge heat transfer costs under a $1 and that the T Shirts cost under $6 and not like GN charge $21 for a tshirt... I do think its funny they charge nearly the same for hoodies at what Prem Clubs in the UK charge for training tops designed for actual athletes from smaller brands like Castore that is owned partly by Tennis Pro Andy Murray and makes kits for the now multibillion rich Newcastle United (their owner worth 350BN GBP and makes them the richest sports team in the world) and Wolves that are owned by super rich Fosun International. I mean that is something... How much did GN spend on the R&D of the product? How many different designs did they pay graduates to design? Or... OR.... Did they just take a PNG they already had to someone that prints onto tshirts and say "print us 'x' amount of these" .... And then charge the same price as companies that spend millions and billions on design and materials used. Mmmm... $30 for a hoodie made cheap or one that was bespoke designed for the club i support and more importantly... Designed to go through wear and tear and used on the training ground. I mean no offence... But google Adama Traore and see how many times he has had his shoulder dislocated by people pulling on his arm and shirt to stop him... His shoulder joint gave way before the stitching did.
Vehicle racing seats are meant to keep your SPINE in line in all condition for a long time amongst other things .also you must not be overweight and be relatively fit ..these guys do not Qualify
@@Blunk_ I have racing buckets in my NISMO and they are soooo comfortable, i6s like my car is giving me a hug! Seriously though I'm mildly overweight, have a bad back, and put in some serious hours driving, they give me no issues.
I've switched from a gaming/racing chair to a Steelcase Gesture office chair. The difference in quality and comfort is staggering. When you think about it at first the price is mental, but this chair will at least last you a decade. In the end, it's a good deal.
@@kwaliex Late reply but like they said a really good office chair is a buy once and never need to worry about a new one for the rest of your life essentially.
@@kwaliex There are office chairs, and then there are office chairs... It all depends on what you can afford, how much time you spend sitting in it, and how long you want it to last. If I could afford to spend $2k on a chair, I absolutely would. Especially as you get older, a good chair is critical for posture and back health. Spending a lot of time sitting in a crappy chair with bad posture is a great way to develop anything from sciatica (which is extremely uncomfortable and bothers you literally 24/7 - while sitting, laying, or standing), to much more severe and painful issues. TL;DR: Don't try to shame people for spending a lot on something that they probably spend the majority of their waking hours sitting in. Some day you'll get it.
Another Gesture owner chimming it. Even though it's absolutely very expensive but it's indeed worth it in the long run, especially if the user spends a lot of time on it. My issues were only that it's kinda trap heat and the head rest is a tad taller for my short height. The arm rest though is simply the best there is!
It speaks volumes about your integrity as a reviewer that you make a point about addressing core strength & fitness, rather than just pointing to a product to magically improve posture. Thank you GN!
Gotta say my gaming chair i picked up 3 years or so ago is one of my highest financial regrets. 400$ to make my back and legs hurt, compared to a free office chair i got from work that was wayyy more comfortable and i could sit in far longer without aching or losing circulation.
Mine is the only chair that I've had that didn't cost an arm and a leg and also didn't break down physically after a year lol. It's been mostly cosmetic issues with it though but I tried them out when I was buying. I have yet to find another chair that is either supportive or big enough without worrying about padding breaking down into ass numbing territory lol
@@GamersNexus ahhh i have no idea what the chair i have now is. Pretty generic looking..... the gaming chair is an Ak Racing something or other (looks exactly like all the other gaming chairs, as predicted), i got it from bestbuy.
Way late on this one - but in my experience a good chair for work shouldn't be 'comfy'. A sofa or arm chair should be comfy. A desk chair should be supportive and something you forget your in. Like a good shoe - you shouldn't really notice it during prolonged use. It should provide support where needed and encourage you to sit properly. If you want something comfy then go for it, ultimately your the one sitting in it. But i spent £400 on back problems before getting a Herman Miller and its been a year since my neck and back hurt. Worth it to me.
Opposite for me, those Herman Millers have actually caused me discomfort, not quite pain but discomfort, really dislike them and prefer cushioned chairs instead. Personal preference I guess.
No need to explain it further...Lol Everybody will have different experiences, depends also what size are ur body, I am an Asian...And I definitely found more comfortable to sit on a gaming chair than a little office chair If u still need to look on other people opinions...I can only tell u are poor to even get a gaming chair
"Check your own dimensions." You see what you've failed to understand, Steve, is that the 4D armrests aren't for mere mortals like us, peasants who only have three dimensions. No. The 4D armrests are for the Ascended, those enlightened with the gift of one extra dimension. Only they can truly comprehend the majesty of the 4D armrest.
I bought a Secretlabs chair a couple years ago for so much money it's embarrassing. I went ahead and returned it for a refund, paying the ridiculous restocking fees. After that, I got a $200 office chair on sale for $120 and it has been my chair for all things office/gaming related ever since. I can sit in it for 12+ hours every day without any issues and it is amazing.
Testimony: I owned a gaming chair, it destroyed my tailbone and lower back. Bought a used herman miller and now I don't have the pain. Completely gone. This channel is for the people! 🤝👏👏👏🙏
When people scream Herman Miller costs too much I remind them to check the used markets and office buildings closing.
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Testimony: owned a gaming chair. Didn't have back pain before. Less than a year ago I replaced it with an office chair. Because… it was broken and I listened to this channel, which I regretted. Next chair is a gaming chair again. Ah, and I never had nor do I have back pain, and I spend around 12-16 hours, each and every day, in my chair. And I'm closer to 60 than to 50.
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@@davidfence6939 Still too much. Yes, some people are "poor".
Nope. You're not alone, and you are correct. Aside from mice and high hz monitors i cant think of any "gaming" product id waste my money on. (And even then, theres a lot of low quality gaming mice floating around) Gaming keyboards? Mediocre and expensive, a few in corsairs lineup are the only "good" ones i know of, but more expensive than better keyboards. Whereas a non-gaming branded keyboard like Ducky, Das and PFU are excellent quality for a modest price Gaming headsets? Same shit. Cant think of a good one that isnt in excess of ~$350-$400 and even those ones are lackluster compared to studio headphones made by proper audio companies for $200 At the end of the day its unreasonable to expect a company that sells everything from headphones to chairs and gaming desks to be as good as a company that specialises in one specific product
I agree pretty much. When its explicitely marketed as gaming, i have to look into it more. Some products are good enough and I buy them but yeah, its a red flag for me.
4D armrests I've seen can travel through time, but have all been broken as they only seem to go one direction - forwards. No fast forward function on them either.
I work 12 hour shifts and I spend most of those on an Ikea Markus. Over here it's around $135. I cannot recommend it enough, I love it so much I bought a couple for my home as well. I'm sure there are better and fancier chairs, but I couldn't find anything better for that price.
Awesome! I've wanted someone to cover this for so long, the gaming chairs seem to be such a meme. I use the Aeron myself, the thought process was 10+ year warranty when I was previously going going through generic "office chairs" every 2 years at about $200 a pop, so might as well just spend more on something that will last - no issues after about 5 years so far, comfort is fine, not amazing but gets the job done sitting for some 15 hour days.
Good to see you, Jarrod! Yes, that makes a ton of sense and I think is probably the same thought process as the big IT businesses go through when buying them for employees. Not everyone can afford a $1000+ instant hit for a new chair (vs. 5x $200 expenses over 10 years), so clearly there's a market for cheaper ones, but for people who can afford it, your argument makes a lot of sense!
@@GamersNexus I actually prefer my gaming chair vs any office/ergo chair ive tested so far, but i dont like to sit ergonomically :P i usually keep my legs on the chair and im a small fella 179cm 55kg corrected height lol this is what happens with the devils lettuce
We used aeron's at the base I worked at. best damn chair i ever had. later I got a steelcase leap v2. still have it after 5 years. amazing chair. I sleep in it lol
At least lttstore.com doesn't sell a stupid gaming chair. Linus may be a high pitched easily excitable sponsor boi, but at least he's a good and honest businessman that doesn't sell products he doesn't use himself. His “showcase” and sponsored videos are definitely getting close to shill territory, but he never says anything he doesn't fully believe, he just may not fully show *all* of the cons of the product in the sponsored video itself. A great example would be the 8k gaming video he did with the 3090. Everything he said was factually true, but iirc he just didn't make a comment on the price of the 3090. He definitely slammed it in his actual review of the card tho, so it's not like he will never say bad things about a product, he just usually won't say them in the sponsored content itself.
@@DzinkyDzink Pretty much the only complaint I had about Meshify C is that the materials felt bit cheap... Airflow and cable management feel great though.
The Aeron is, hands down, the best chair I have ever sat on. Not only does it offer sustained comfort and lack of fatigue over very long periods of sitting, but also it is insanely durable and maintains resale value forever. There are used Aerons on the market going for $600 today, that are 20+ years old. And they are just as good today, as they were when sold new.
This is the biggest thing that most people don’t consider. You can sit in a Herman Miller or Steelcase chair for 8 hours straight and never experience fatigue/discomfort, meanwhile a cheaper knockoff of these you might start to experience it after a few hours, and garbage chairs you may notice it in under an hour or two. For most people, a cheaper dedicated office chair with a similar design to a HM/Steelcase around the $2-300 price will do solid for years. For a full time job…just bite the bullet and get the more expensive ergonomic options by the leaders..your body will thank you. Also, get some overstock/office close outs for half price versus buying new.
I've worked at my company for 7 years now, and all the Aeron chairs that get daily use are still going strong. Dunno how long we had them prior to me working there, but that says a lot about the quality of the chairs
Yea I never understood why people buy crap 150 USD chair for like 400-500 USD... But the reality is that it is all marketing, companies just give free chairs to UA-camrs and Streamers, and people just buy it...
Lmao I think my gigabyte motherboards talks about some military grade thing. I think it was alloys or something but it's been a while since I've seen the box.
@@thecoolguy9364 Did they lie though? Like “mil grade aluminum 6061” could mean, ,,yeah, our dinner trays are made out of Al 6061”. 😂 Even mil spec doesn’t guarantee quality, it simply means parts from different manufacturers are interchangable in said spec.
@@GamersNexus I did not expect the phrase "**** this chair" to appear in a youtube video, much less it being meaningful to the subject matter. Yet here we are.
Thank you for doing this video. I almost just bought a 500 dollar gaming chair cause I'm looking for something more comfortable. I now know to go get an office chair tomorrow. Thank you sir! BTW, I love how you show you guys nerding out in this video. Awesome.
Best way to test chair for gaming is go shop at try sitting it. I tried gaming chair only once, I couldn't stand sitting it that chair for more than minute. Neither mesh filling office chairs are good for gaming. I picked every time decently hard foam seat cushion with breathable mesh. Price around 50-150USD after currency conversion for US. Got 2nd one only after many years of daily use, 1st one was worn cushion cover, while last one was bit loosy I just tightened screws and it lasts. Also cushion was initially wrong angled resulting in sliding off chair, I was almost ready to throw in trash, but it went flattened to become comfortable finally. If it breaks its cheap to get new one. But comfort and value is great. Avoid synthetic leather cushion cover. Forearm rest is best made from rubber coating, Did I forget to say it shall be wheel chair? That's all from me.
XD Im watching this went to the comments because of something completely random and noticed this comment whiles sitting on one of those church style Blue/Black/or brown metal foldout chairs. I lost it when I read that .
I did my engineering internship with Steelcase in their "task chair" group. I initially thought it was ridiculous that people paid $500-1,000 for Leap, Think, or Amia chairs. Then I started using them daily for hours on end, and I am completely amazed at how comfy they are. I personally sat in an Amia daily, and it was one of the most comfortable chairs I've ever used. I use a $500 Steelcase chair at home and I absolutely love it. I use it every day for several hours since 2011 (so 10+ years old as I type this) and it's still in immaculate shape and still comfy. It truly is worth hundreds of dollars for a decent task chair. I helped write test specs for these chairs and they're beat to shit in testing to simulate 25 years of abuse. Unless you're tossing your chair down stairwells, it will last a long and good life, and support your body well.
I grabbed an ergochair back when they introduced their original model like 5 years ago. Most expensive chair I've ever got, and also the first office chair I've ever had that lasted more than a year and is still going strong . It really takes a good chair to make you realize just how bad others are.
Funnily enough the most comfortable office chair I've sat in has to be this old leather office chair from the 90s my friend found in our college's furniture warehouse. Felt more like a La-Z-Boy than an actual office chair. Heavenly.
Steve: "This chair would be an upgrade to someone sitting in a Dining Room chair" Me who uses a Dining Room chair: "You dare to insult my gaming chair!?"
Steve: "This chair would be an upgrade to someone sitting in a Dining Room chair" Me who uses a Dining Room chair: "You dare to insult my gaming chair!?" #2
As a rocker of the dining room chair myself (my desk is literally in my dining room), get a foam seat cushion off of Amazon. Totally worth it and it props you up an inch.
One of my favorite GN videos! For years i used a metal folding chair that had lost it's back cushion and developed permanent scars on my back that make it look like I've been lashed. My partner lovingly calls them my "world of Warcraft battle scars"
@@a.andrei5826 when armrest angles (pitch) are not manually adjustable but change their angle synchronized to the seating area in certain ratios with the backrest (mine is 2:1, so for every 20degrees of tilt on my backrest, the armrests tilt back by 10degrees) they call it a synchro mechanism. but i guess 5d rolls off the tongue better so it could be marketed LOL
Thank you Steve for finally bringing the truth. I've been saying this for years. Gaming chairs are styled like racing bucket seats which are originally meant to hold a driver in place, not be super comfortable. Trying to turn that same style into comfortable gaming chairs is like trying to reverse engineer a Ferrari into a minivan instead of just designing something for the intended purpose.
This 100%. Also, racing bucket seats are never made out of leather and have very little padding. It makes no sense to turn them into a comfy chair. They actually managed to make both a shitty computer chair AND a shitty racing seat. Truly a feat to behold.
I've used a Herman Miller Aeron for at least 10 years and couldn't recommend them more. Started using them as the standard chair at my office, then bought my own during the COVID WFH period (I bought from a 2nd hand company the buys as part of office closures). The quality of the materials and the range of adjustments are absolutely superb. Yes these things are expensive, but if you have a desk job like me, you can't put a price on the productivity and wellbeing boost you get from being comfortable all day.
My "gaming chair" is a mesh head rest, mesh back rest and mesh seat, (for airflow, softness and cooler temperature contact point) with swivel and wheels, with adjustable height for head rest, back rest, and arm rest is also adjustable height and forward and backward, rotatable as well, and also adjustable lumbar support behind the back rest. It has everything i need for a comfy chair and it costs USD110. I used it for gaming, for movie, for work, for everything. i only have 1 chair. all the gaming chairs look so uncomfortable. i don't understand why you want to pay so much money for an uncomfy chair. my chair still lasts 3 years going now. the mesh are still strong and nothing's broken nor stopped working. i expect to use it for another 2 years. there's literally no reason to change it due to functionality. and yes, like the video conclusion said, if you do not exercise, stretch the correct muscles, have good posture when sitting or standing, it affects your comfort level when you are sitting on your chair as well. Only constant exercising and stretching your neck, your back can then allows you to slouch longer / have bad but comfy resting postures.
@@SuperScyth The one i have is M16. As dangerous as it sounds, its actually pretty harmless =P At the time of buying (which i realized was in Dec 2017), the chair was named as : "M16 Iden Ventilated Office Chair (Black)" bought for SGD 189. Seller website : Take A Seat dot sg that "Iden" word was used in the past, and is no longer part of the branding name in searches today, and in local sg online stores. google searches for the words "M16 chair" today, will find the new M16 chairs shown with padded seats only (the headrest and back are still mesh). However I did find M57 chair (a more pricer version) to look exactly like M16, but with mesh seat. it has the exact same design as M16. I believed they have rebranded the M16 mesh to be M57. there is a website sihoo dot com dot au where you can find the product "SIHOO M16 Ergonomics Office Chair". Scroll down and you can actually see a table that says the "Seat pan" is Mesh version. Crazy price though. also not sure why the armrest is mentioned as fixed sold by this store. My M16 armrest could push the top portion forward & back, up & down, and rotate too. ua-cam.com/video/zceJPMn1HfQ/v-deo.html
I bought myself a DX Racer after my daughter told me how much she loved the one I bought her for her birthday. I now wish I had used a different criterium for choosing my current gaming "throne".
in my opinion DX Racer is far better than other gaming chairs. Mine doesn't restrict the shoulder at all, the armrests are soft, and they don't wear out that fast. Have mine for 3 years now and its comfortable like on day 1. I guess DX Racer isn't one of those copy paste companies.
@@marle96 My dxracer, a premium version with apparently better covering is pretty much dead after 2 years. The arm rests have big cracks, the fake leather has totally disintegrated on the seat and is generally just falling apart. It IS comfortable though, just shit quality, especially for the price.
I had a volvo s60 and 96 civic seat for my sim rig, the civic seat is hard and not comfortable, the volvo seat was a supportive sofa, 10/10 will get another volbo seat
I got a Secretlab Chair after having a cheap Amazon gaming racing chair for a long time. The Secretlab has been perfect for me (One of the only companies to include a smaller model for shorter people). Lumbar support is fantastic, magnetic pillow doesn't have the sag issues like the "seatbelt" pillows do, armrests are CUSHY (even more so after I warranty replaced them when some of the material started cracking on the originals. The model number for the new replacements is V3 versus the V1 on the originals I got, so I know they've been changing and upgrading things). Based on the warranty experience alone that I've had with Secretlab, the high price was well worth it. Also went with softweave over leather/faux leather and it was defintely the right choice. All that being said, when this Secretlab dies on me - and I expect it to last a VERY long time, it's still doing well a year later - I'll probably go with a mesh ergonomic office to save a bit more money and still have a fantastic chair for posture and comfort.
you have the exact same experience as me, only complaint I have about the secretlab is that the armrests have quite a lot of give in the rotation adjustment, but the memory foam armrests are super nice
I had the same experience. Honestly, I love my chair. I got the gel armrests, but that’s only because my room gets hot. The ones it came with were perfectly comfy. I wish they would’ve included secret labs in the testing, because they seem to be higher quality than most gaming chairs
I really appreciate y'all having this video spread out over time. One of my biggest concern with consumer products is that they are almost ALL great at first impressions, but it's all a matter of how quickly the quality degrades from there; and people tend to leave reviews for how things are within the first week, so it's hard to tell how well the product actually lasts beyond that.
A great chair doesn’t necessarily give you some instant epiphany. It’s when you realise 10 hours have passed and your back is fine and you can stand up feeling fresh that you realise what an investment in your spine a good chair truly is. I use an Embody for work and a Gesture for home/work.
I ended up getting the Aeron soon after I watched this video, and it's been amazing. I can't imagine going through the hassle of having to replace a gaming chair, after it inevitably fails.
Thank you! I am in the process of buying a chair for my teenage son, and haven't been able to find independent reviews on gaming chairs. It was great to watch a review that is not affiliated with Amazon and taking me directly to Amazon to buy a chair that is not exactly what I'm searching for but an alternative which is slightly different. They look flashy and appealing but I don't want to spend money on something that is crap.
Even for teens it isn't worth it. Good posture is like everything else. If you learn cheap when you're young you pay the bill for the rest of your life. Not worth it. Mine gave me massive back issues and tennis elbow.
I had the same thought the instant I heard his pronounciation. I was like, "Damn, someone took the time to learn how to pronounce something in Mandarin!"
First time I watched that part I thought that it was an audio glitch on the part of my headphones. Had to re-listen that part and I would've never guessed that Zhejiang is supposed to be pronounced that way. It sounds beautiful :) I would've pronounced it something like Cheychang, but now I know better :D
I love how you are brutally honest about these chairs lol I’ve been looking for a office chair I like that is able to be tall enough for my desk and I always watch your videos with hubby on his pc so I already knew I was gonna get honesty straight from the jump before even hitting play lol. Love your channel!❤
@@johngonzalez7052 That's great! I was accused of shilling for Autonomous when I said that on their Facebook page because others had waited longer. Things have improved I guess
Ergochair 2 is apparently very overrated. Bad build quality and the design of the seat is HORRIBLE if you're taller than average since it kills the bloodflow in your legs. Check out some of the reviews that aren't full of shilling to get a better picture.
@@thedamntrain3467 well I have one so I don't actually need someone to tell me if I'm comfortable or if it's better than my Ikea Markus, I have my butt for that. The original comment about needing Patrick's validation was a joke.
So here is a new trend.. Step aside "Gaming Chairs" we have "Gaming Desks" which seem to be jazzed up regular desks at inflated prices, same thing all over again.
@@vrab. yeah. it's literally a table made out of a smooth / synthethic material that has a SMALLER surface and less stable legs because of the weird design. and it also has random RGB glowing lines so it can drain you electricity too when it's only job is to hold your stuff from the ground :D
Absolutely spot on, especially the Noblechairs Icon. I currently own this and the arm rests are stupidly uncomfortable. I've had it for just over 2 years now and I cannot wait to get rid of it. Currently researching office chairs for an Christmas gift to myself!!
This has to be the fastest I've clicked on a video. Rigorous testing of BS gaming chairs? IM SOLD Edit: 3 minutes in and the sarcasm has made it so worth it
Those manufacturers could just take a hint from car seat manufacturers, a lot of top-tier leather car seats actually have mesh seats and backs just for ventilation.
@@Waldo1122 lol how do you think these tubers make money? Ad revenue plays a part but they all have sponsors. Just have to take everything they say with a grain of salt (as we should do anyways)
The best advice for buying a chair is to go to a store and find one that fits you and that you are comfortable in. I got a gaming chair at an office furniture store solely because it supported my posture for my computer use. The office chairs made for high capacity use were uncomfortable. The arm rests didn't go low enough, nor did the seat go low enough for me to reach the ground.
Linus wasn't messing around when he said "Steve is so hardcore, he is like I'm going to learn Chinese and talk to Chinese employee *about a topic I can't remember atm*" in a wan show. Kudos for going such lengths for a chair comparison video.
I have some like that and they're amazing. Super smooth because of the material when they're locked they don't move at all. Really good when using some sort of controller that is mounted on the table.
I bought some that look like rollerblade wheels and added them to my conference room chair I salvaged from my employer when we closed our office due to COVID. They are super silent and wont damage the bamboo my floors, so I don't need a stupid chair mat. If you want a cheap upgrade for your chair, I can't recommend the upgraded casters enough. I bought these, this is a non-affiate link. I don't have any interest in them, other than being a satisfied user. www.amazon.com/dp/B07V3HMLKT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_SUF8Fb43GWGDZ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I actually don't mind my Secretlab chair, and its been more durable than the last three office chairs I owned... The most long lasting and best office chair I had came with my desk circa 2008 and only broke itself in 2014 so It lasted me 6 years. "Tony" was great, The second chair lasted 6 months, the 3rd chair an Identical copy of the 2nd lasted 3 years, Then The next chair was a hand me down from the wife which she had had for 2 years when I got it and it lasted me a year, so 4 office chairs in 11 years, and now the Secret lab which I have had for just over 1 year with no issues and comfortably sit in it for 37.5 hours a week at my work from home position.
I dont like my secret lab leather chair. its hard and unformfortable with long periods.. i did sit in my gfs secret lab cloth chair. The smaller model. Its way better.
The reaction to the herman miller is dead on. I felt exactly the same when I purchased my embody recently. I wish this came out before I bought it. With that said the comfort is clearly noticable over long periods of time and their durability is obvious seeing how well the aerons from liquidators hold up. If you want a great chair that lasts and doesn't hurt you, buy one from a liquidator! Good chairs are made to last and a significant chunk their initial pricing comes from their ease of set up for large companies to not deal with when buying hundreds of them.
@@morbid1. Most companies are letting employees check out monitors and laptops from work to use at home, maybe you could convince them of the productivity benefits of using your office chair at home lol
When I went shopping for a "gaming chair", I literally went to the store and sat in every chair and bought the one that felt the most comfortable. The most comfortable definitely was not the $300 something gaming chair.
Yeah, I picked up a $150 "gaming chair," and it is perfectly comfortable. I have expensive office chairs at... the office, and they're pretty shit. People whining about them "not being conducive to good posture" need to learn to sit better. Any mid-backed office chair like the Aeron starts to cut into my back if I sit properly.
The best decision I ever made was buying a used HON Ignition office chair from an office furniture store instead of trying to buy a "gaming" chair. It's so solidly made that it'll probably last for years and it's comfortable.
John Wick, they need hard chairs to defend your bullets. Keep those pencils away as well. On top of that they can simulate Neo going into the matrix, since those chairs can bend 180 degrees.
Yesterday I watched this and realized that the neck and upper back tension I have suffered for the past 3 years likely comes from the gaming chair I'm daily sitting in. I've been working from the home office for the past year so it got really bad recently. I researched the entire morning and finally ordered a new office chair for 750$. It has just arrived and I'm literally crying of joy. Thanks for making this video Steve!
Better late than never! As someone who has already had back surgery, your back and posture thanks you for getting a proper chair. What chair did you end up getting!??
I got the HM Aeron used and so far it's amazing in terms of ergonomics. I wouldn't say it's exactly comfortable but it supports your spine and posture really well. You almost won't be able to sit in a slacked weird posture capable of harming your spine. I wanted to try out the other ones, but this was the cheapest one available because of how widely available it is. It also had a head rest installed which I would highly recommend other people get too.
To be fair, due to differences in food habits and some genetic factors, people of South East Asian and Indian sub-continent heritage would tend to be smaller and lighter than their North American and British counterparts. However they are catching up to the US and UK in heart disease and other obesity-related conditions, as economic prosperity increases and Western food options become more affordable and available.
I sat in one and loved it for 4 hours. Towards the end I hated it. Sat in a cheapo mesh office chair for 6 hours and felt great. Yeah. Screw gaming chairs. But they look so cool
I still reference this video when the topic of gaming chairs comes up. One thing that really isn't covered in this video (understandably) which is really a big deal with the Herman Miller is longevity. After consistaint backpain I bought a used HM Aeron which finally had an arm fall off in...2020 or 2021 (bolt sheered off, easy fix) but in cleaning the chair I noticed a date of manufacture on the chair pan, the thing was built in 1998. So it lsated 22/23 years before finally having a critical failure (which was fixed for $10) and while I didn't sit in my Aeron when it was new, not once did it feel like a used 15+ year old chair. I've since sold my Aeron (for more than I bought it for) and bought a brand new Herman Miller Logitech Embody and will probably be using it for another 20 years.
I saw Steve speaking Mandarin during a visit to Shenzhen. It’s great to see his engagement and respect regarding this important language. After all, China is the center of the tech world.
14 years ago I bought an all-mesh office chair with no adjustments (except for height) for less than $100, and it was the most comfortable chair I've ever sat in. It held for 3 years at the very least, and I only gave it up when I had to move, and didn't think I'd ever have trouble finding something similar.
12 years ago I bought a 200€ office chair designed for long sessions. To this day, I'm still using it everyday. Most chairs I had before did not last a couple years before the feet or back broke.
@@Deathrape2001It was 15 years ago, no brand and cheap as hell ($75). That price makes sense because it was right before the 2008 collapse which made everything lower quality for a higher price. Didn't know finding something like that would be impossible, nor did I think I'd need to remember exactly what brand it was for an internet argument. And how is it bragging rights? I lost something good. Never mind, I just read your name. You probably think it's cool... Why am I arguing with "deathrape2001"? Grow up.
I mean in fairness the big twitch streamers i follow all have the high end version of the chairs. Ive got one its borderline gaming/ office chair, the Noble Hero and it is very comfy even after 8+ hr sessions. genuinely not much to fault with it, other than as GN pointed out the armrests are hard as shit. lol
I bought the blue-cushioned ErgoChair 2 about 4 years ago. I added elbow cushions from Amazon for $5. Best chair I’ve ever gamed in. Extremely comfortable. Looks great. Really good for posture. And still going strong 4 years later.
Amazon shipping isn't as simple as he said. Amazon has done a ton into getting cheaper shipping. It's not as simple as Amazon engrains the price while Newegg doesnt.
Embody is a good choice as well, but didn't fit my 6'5" frame. I ended up getting the Aeron in the Type C Size. It wasn't mentioned in the video but they have multiple sizes A, B, C based on size and height of a person. If you're fortunate like me, I'd highly recommend checking them out in store to find the best fit.
I have the Cosm High Back (all mesh). 6’3” checking in and holy cow is it worth it. The amount of these bad gaming chairs you can have in the time that HM’s warranty covers your chair alone makes it worth it without even mentioning ergonomics.
My local showroom was offering both the Aeron and the Embody at the same price, went with the fully decked Aeron in size B solely because I thought the Embody needs more time for its quirks to pop up as they start aging and I know the Aeron is proven reliable, I'll definitely grab an Embody in 2 or 3 years though, it's an amazing chair.
You know what improves back issues even more? Not sitting all the time. Anybody who uses words like "ergonomically sound" is telling lies. All that matters for "ergonomics" is that you are not in pain when sitting in a chair.
I love my Embody chair. It's funny how popular the Aeron is given how polarizing it seems. A lot of people don't like it. Either way, that 12 year warranty (from a venerable manufacturer with good support) is mainly how I justified the high price tag. I was replacing cheap chairs every few years, and they weren't as well-built or as good for my back. It's an investment.
i thought this was common knowledge, those shitty "gaming chairs" are the easiest way to create back and neck issues rocking the ergo chair 2 myself EDIT: great video by the way, some long review processes you compiled here, doing the lords work
Gaming chairs are easily the biggest scams in pc gaming since antivirus subscriptions. The fact that that always use junk tier vinyl, rather than actual leather or at least a booth quality vinyl is just laughable. Imagine getting swamp ass in summer from a $400 GAMING chair that is still going to crack like a $60 chair. mesh office chairs all the way.
@@adrianmucha3421 yeah thats is prob my only gripe with it honestly, the padding on those arm rests sometimes make my elbows sore. That and the weird non locking positioning. Other than that I love all the different positioning options it has, I was struggling to find an office chair that could lean back similar to recliner lol, but this one has the perfect in between
For me the thing that pushed the Aeron chair over the top was the 12 year warranty. I am a fairly large dude at 6'3" 260. I freaking destroy chairs. After buying two $400+ gaming chairs in the same year, and having one break and drop me on my back, I decided I would go back to what I sat in at the office. Primarily because I used it for 10 years without even thinking about it. The gaming chairs however were both initially comfortable, then felt like sitting on cement after about 2 months. The aeron chairs mesh is still holding up almost 2 years later and has not sagged despite my squatch like ass spending 50+ hours a week in it. Add the breathability of it in the summer, and the complete lack of "swamp ass", and I would take it every day of the week.
As stated in the description and video, of course, there are times a gaming chair might make sense; in general, however, our opinion on this very subjective matter is that you should buy a similarly priced office chair for the best outcome. But, as everyone's body is different and setups are different, you shouldn't feel bad about liking your gaming chair if you do have one and like it. This video includes mini-reviews of several office chairs that we've now been using for about a year at the office. The project started in December of 2019, then we filmed the bulk of the video in August of 2020, and added concluding thoughts in December of 2020. All of these chairs have been swapped around between the team for months now, and we eventually all picked our favorites. Patrick ended up preferring the ErgoChair 2, Steve preferred the Aeron after much adjustment and struggling to find the best positioning, Keegan and Andrew use the Komene Mesh chair (whoever comes in first -- we're buying a second one to solve this), and Mike uses the SL4000, but will probably also switch to an office chair once he decides which one he prefers. He does not like the SL5000 as much as the SL4000, due to the 5000's wider base.
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Lazy boy/armchair is best gaming chair. plywood lap desk.
Any news on the GN case ;)?
Finally some quality content. =D
Any thoughts on Monstertech's new Flight sim chair?
Thanks for clarifying. Furthermore, it is a fool's errand to think one will find one chair that will be comfortable 12 hours a day. The best thing is to have at least two different chairs so you can switch after a few hours. This is the only thing that works. I did pay $400 or $500 for a DXRacer a few years ago only because it was the first chair i could find that had a LOCKING RECLINE position. My other is an Eames lounge chair. Both i highly recommend but it really goes without saying that you need to add customizations to both chairs to achieve satisfactory ergonomics.
"They move in four directions, and thus can traverse the space-time continuum"
We love you, Steve
LOL
My other car is a TARDIS.
It's technically true!
They bullied me for having an office chair, now I bully them for having a back pain.
Lmao
Savage
epic
Alpha male spotted
I have had a gaming chair for 3 years and had zero back pain
I clicked on a video titled “don’t buy gaming chairs” and quickly learned more about marketing than I had ever known. Give these people a like man... they go above and beyond on EVERYTHING
I've owned 3 or 4 different "racing" gamer chairs in my life, two of which were over $200, and all of them only lasted me between 1 and 1.5 years before breaking to where they were no longer usable, either an arm rest completely breaking off, or the back being stuck in the most far back position and no longer locking in upright positions.
I finally went and got a mesh-style office chair for like $150 at office depot and it's been over 4 years and it's only now begun to deteriorate to the point of me needing a new one soon.
If you like mesh chairs, I'd recommend a used Aeron if you're on a budget or a brand new remastered one if money is no object.
My AK Racing gaming chair is going strong for 7 years already, sat in it every day for at least 5 hours, and it wont need replacement any time soon, i guess there are good ones out there.
Where I live this damn chair is $1500 and I almost bought this for my husband but I'm glad my brain told me to look up reviews 😂 because that would of hurt my pocket 🥲
@@StardustLegacyFighter I've owned entirely too many chairs over the past 20 years, starting out on a cheap folding chair and finally with an HM Mira 2. When i was in college I bought my first office chair, some $150 fake leather chair and it lasted all of 2 years. I bought a nicer, $200 office chair that lasted just as long. I ended up paying for two more chairs, each $300, that likewise lasted 3 years each. (Technically I still have my last one but I had to repair it twice to different failures). I ended up keeping my HM Mira 2 from my office when we all went WFH, and after six years of sitting in the thing for 8+ hours a day every day, it still feels brand new.
It might be expensive to throw down $1000 for a chair, but if that chair is still going to be around after I've already gone through $1000 of worthless shitty gaming chairs, it's absolutely worth it. Boots Theory of Economics, and it's the lesson I try to tell people everytime they tell me they're thinking about getting a $300 gaming chair.
Yeah bro I spent almost 400 on my racer chair and stupid screws fall out of it every day.
Me with a dining room chair: hmmm interesting...
Same.
I bought a dining chair from target and it’s all of my money $50
good to know im not alone.
Same
I’m currently using a straight back (as in 90 degrees) dinning room chair and boy can that get uncomfortable after a while, and I’ve slept in some pretty uncomfortable chairs.
Spend good money on things between you and the ground: shoes, tires, mattresses, and chairs.
Socks :^)
Toes
@@MrZeepman Yes! I personally go with Darn Tough!
Ooooo wow I actually really like what you said. I'll keep it in mind :D
I was shopping for bike tires once and asked why these tires cost twice as much as the other ones. The reply was that they'll last three times longer, and you won't get a flat. Turns out he was right.
"find a used office chair that was better to begin with..."
This is the best message to take from this video on many levels.
Exactly what I did, picked up a used Steelcase Leap off of ebay, had it for 2 years now.
@Steve Pringle this is exactly why I caved and bought a chair... a reasonably priced "gaming" chair that seemed halfway decent... a week or two before this video came out. -_-
there are too many options and it's not clear which ones are actually decent, well made, and worth spending more.
Yes but used chairs contain farts
@@fabronaut7478 Return it, if you can, Gaming chairs wear down really really fast and after 2 months you wont even think the chair is worth $40.....
@@kohfu1724 aw man, really? :/ I went for a cloth one from Costco... I think I'm still within the 30 day window. sigh
Best chair I ever had was a $50 office chair from Ikea. It lasted nearly ten years before it was too hideous to keep around. Every one of those gaming chairs I've sat in seemed super slippery and uncomfortable and I always thought it was a scammy idea in the first place.
Yeah I keep on hearing ikea chairs are the best, I gotta try one out
@@warsmith1294try ikea markus chair it's great
But how are you going to get 10+ KD ratio? You need a 500 dollar gaming chair.
Best chair I ever owned was a $100 POS from Sams club. Thing lasted me like 5-7 years before finally dying. Nowdays chairs a little more expensive than it last 2-3 years before I have to retire them. Hell they only last me 1 year but due to financial constraint I have to keep them 2-3 before I have enough to buy a new chair.
Nice try Ikea
"This video was edited from this chair". Transparency at its finest.
As someone who edits lots of hours and games a bit, my Gaming chair turns into a pool of sweat due to zero breathability. Do not recommend.
There are fabric options!
@Peestain25 It's just the nature of vinyl, and to a lesser degree leather.
@Peestain25 Yeah uh.. comedic genius.
You just need to squirt some thermal grizzly down before you sit.
Can i come smell your chair some time?
"Check your own dimensions."
Upon analysis, I have discovered that I am a 5D person, and therefore need a chair with 5D features.
Afraid to ask what the fifth dimension is. Is it consciousness?
@@GamersNexus I'm afraid the 5th is RGB
@@kotwin wouldn't that be the 5th, 6th and 7th? hmmmm
@@GamersNexus Don't be silly, the 5th dimension is actually reality beyond our simulation silly.
Check yourself
before you rest yourself
I have had my Herman Miller Aeron for over 9 years now. I spend on average 12 hours a day in it (sliding between my work and gaming rigs). One arm fabric has worn out, and the wheels are a bit worse for wear, but it is the best chair I have ever owned. I used to break and replace chairs every year, usually spending between 100 and 700USD. I have never been happier with a purchase than the Aeron. I live in Thailand so replacement parts are hard to come by, but the next time I am in the US I will just get new arms and wheels and it will be perfect again, hopefully for another 9 years.
Holy shit, this chair costs 12x minimal wage in my country. Same situation with PC case prices. I don't understand how electronics get overseas at a better price than mechanical items. I wish some brand out there would be copying them for cheaper but it doesn't seem like it.
that chair is a scam
@@ShlomoSilverberg 10 years of flawless "chairing" says different.
10 years is not impressive, a chair for 50$ can also work great for 10 years. Herman Miller is overpriced shit.@@Keenok
Im not paying over 1k for a dam chair..
As a Physical Therapist who also likes to game, its amazing to see content creators emphasize the importance of keeping the body strong ALONG with proper positioning. This is why I love this channel
well then, may i ask whats the best positioning for the arms and wrists? i hear that its good to have armrests line up with the table. also hear that armrest should be just that, RESTS. my right hand with the mouse is fine, but when it comes to the left hand for the kb, it gets a bit uncomfy as the kb is elevated no matter what and my wrist rests on the table. i think itd be ideal to have a shorter desk so instead of my arms being 90 degrees, its more like 95ish. but my table is too tall and my chair doesnt go high enough. but then at that point my feet dont touch the ground. so mainly i think i need a shorter table. ive been trying the seat lower and full arms up to elbows on the table but i dont think its that much better
@@Sinsanatis You are basicly right. Back should be straight, arms resting on the arm rest without and pressure on the wrist/forearm on the table. Also keeping the wrist striaight as possible. Alot of the reading ive done actually has just the edge of the elbow on the rest and the majority of the arms are on the table
@@bryanhovanec3471 to achieve straight arms i have to sit up really straight which i think i still need to work more on my back muscles to hold. back to more or less my old position i guess. still the main issues is my feet dont touch the ground, but i just kinda put my feet on the chair legs for that. then the other thing is that the kb still angles my left hand up and i rest my wrist on the table which i know isnt ideal, but keeping my wrist up for extended gaming sessions would be uncomfortable
@@Sinsanatis i also have the same issues, i tend to slouch while at the chair. And def dont have your wrist ext this can cause the extra pressure that will lead to carpel tunnel
@@bryanhovanec3471 alright, thanks for all the input off hours lol xD
It's impressive how they managed to adapt vehicle racing seats, and make them more expensive, less comfortable and crappier.
I find it amazing that GN have goes at others for the same thing.
I mean you can buy a black T shirt for like under $10 if you want so why pay $20 for a GN one? It's just generic and millions of youtubers and companies use the same tshirt with just a different heat transfer printed on. Not as though its actually bespoke. And you can get proper T shirts designed for specific uses like working in hot environments for cheaper! I mean training tops for Soccer teams are way less and in some cases have stitching. And usually these places sell their products at the stadium meaning no need for postage and packaging. And you'd be supporting a local business.
I mean it's not like a largge heat transfer costs under a $1 and that the T Shirts cost under $6 and not like GN charge $21 for a tshirt...
I do think its funny they charge nearly the same for hoodies at what Prem Clubs in the UK charge for training tops designed for actual athletes from smaller brands like Castore that is owned partly by Tennis Pro Andy Murray and makes kits for the now multibillion rich Newcastle United (their owner worth 350BN GBP and makes them the richest sports team in the world) and Wolves that are owned by super rich Fosun International. I mean that is something... How much did GN spend on the R&D of the product? How many different designs did they pay graduates to design? Or... OR.... Did they just take a PNG they already had to someone that prints onto tshirts and say "print us 'x' amount of these" .... And then charge the same price as companies that spend millions and billions on design and materials used.
Mmmm... $30 for a hoodie made cheap or one that was bespoke designed for the club i support and more importantly... Designed to go through wear and tear and used on the training ground. I mean no offence... But google Adama Traore and see how many times he has had his shoulder dislocated by people pulling on his arm and shirt to stop him... His shoulder joint gave way before the stitching did.
@@razerow3391 good joke 😂
Vehicle racing seats are meant to keep your SPINE in line in all condition for a long time amongst other things .also you must not be overweight and be relatively fit ..these guys do not Qualify
Less comfortable? Have you sit in a real racing seat? Obviously you don't know.
@@Blunk_ I have racing buckets in my NISMO and they are soooo comfortable, i6s like my car is giving me a hug!
Seriously though I'm mildly overweight, have a bad back, and put in some serious hours driving, they give me no issues.
I've switched from a gaming/racing chair to a Steelcase Gesture office chair. The difference in quality and comfort is staggering. When you think about it at first the price is mental, but this chair will at least last you a decade. In the end, it's a good deal.
The fact that you want to spend 2K on an office chair is beyond me..
@@kwaliex holy shiit a chair cost 2k???
@@kwaliex Late reply but like they said a really good office chair is a buy once and never need to worry about a new one for the rest of your life essentially.
@@kwaliex There are office chairs, and then there are office chairs...
It all depends on what you can afford, how much time you spend sitting in it, and how long you want it to last. If I could afford to spend $2k on a chair, I absolutely would.
Especially as you get older, a good chair is critical for posture and back health. Spending a lot of time sitting in a crappy chair with bad posture is a great way to develop anything from sciatica (which is extremely uncomfortable and bothers you literally 24/7 - while sitting, laying, or standing), to much more severe and painful issues.
TL;DR: Don't try to shame people for spending a lot on something that they probably spend the majority of their waking hours sitting in. Some day you'll get it.
Another Gesture owner chimming it. Even though it's absolutely very expensive but it's indeed worth it in the long run, especially if the user spends a lot of time on it. My issues were only that it's kinda trap heat and the head rest is a tad taller for my short height. The arm rest though is simply the best there is!
It speaks volumes about your integrity as a reviewer that you make a point about addressing core strength & fitness, rather than just pointing to a product to magically improve posture. Thank you GN!
Me sitting on a worn out 16yr old chair my dad stole from the Air Force
Air Force would like to know your location.
What a badass history that chair has
300 dollars for the chair right now
@@lameguy3352 yoo deal the chairs worth like 30 dollars😂 wait wait I mean 500
Air force chairs are the best in the world, they've been specifically designed for the primary occupation of the airforce.
Gotta say my gaming chair i picked up 3 years or so ago is one of my highest financial regrets. 400$ to make my back and legs hurt, compared to a free office chair i got from work that was wayyy more comfortable and i could sit in far longer without aching or losing circulation.
Oof. Any idea which office chair it was? What do you use now?
@@GamersNexus do gaming headset test next, they are just as awful as chairs
Mine is the only chair that I've had that didn't cost an arm and a leg and also didn't break down physically after a year lol. It's been mostly cosmetic issues with it though but I tried them out when I was buying. I have yet to find another chair that is either supportive or big enough without worrying about padding breaking down into ass numbing territory lol
@@frozencold199 idk I’d consider the PC 38x a damn good headset
@@GamersNexus ahhh i have no idea what the chair i have now is. Pretty generic looking..... the gaming chair is an Ak Racing something or other (looks exactly like all the other gaming chairs, as predicted), i got it from bestbuy.
Way late on this one - but in my experience a good chair for work shouldn't be 'comfy'. A sofa or arm chair should be comfy. A desk chair should be supportive and something you forget your in. Like a good shoe - you shouldn't really notice it during prolonged use. It should provide support where needed and encourage you to sit properly.
If you want something comfy then go for it, ultimately your the one sitting in it. But i spent £400 on back problems before getting a Herman Miller and its been a year since my neck and back hurt. Worth it to me.
Opposite for me, those Herman Millers have actually caused me discomfort, not quite pain but discomfort, really dislike them and prefer cushioned chairs instead. Personal preference I guess.
@@Arthur-jx8bm exactly me, what the fuck have these people been using? i'm tired of office chairs and WANT to be comfy
@@FredMaverik literally
@@Arthur-jx8bm it's probably because you're used sitting with bad posture and no support
@@AndrewB23 I am used to sitting in Herman Miller chairs, so unless you say they have bad support then I don't think it's that.
A good chair does not HAVE to give you instant comfort when you get in it. It does not give you discomfort after you are in it for a long time.
Yes, well phrased. And also, the better chairs we've worked with take some time to conform to the body.
it's just like a good pair of work shoes / insoles. instant comfort is often a sign of bad long term support
I got a Serta chair that feels like magic when I sit in and feels great the entire time that I'm in it (+10 hours a day). So I respectfully disagree.
Exactly what I felt with my Aeron, took 30 minutes to get comfy, and I haven't had back pain in the years since
No need to explain it further...Lol
Everybody will have different experiences, depends also what size are ur body, I am an Asian...And I definitely found more comfortable to sit on a gaming chair than a little office chair
If u still need to look on other people opinions...I can only tell u are poor to even get a gaming chair
Overpriced low-quality chairs is something we shouldn't take sitting down.
A standing-up-and-stretching ovation to this comment
So is overpriced for no reason 50y old design chair. Herman miller is the apple of office chairs
@@BillyLndn Herman Miller is not even expensive. The 24/7 operator chairs we have at work cost like 3.8k
@@DuBstep115 Doesn't make the Herman Miller chair cheap.
@@fruit5003 They also have a 10 year warranty that's reliable
"Check your own dimensions."
You see what you've failed to understand, Steve, is that the 4D armrests aren't for mere mortals like us, peasants who only have three dimensions. No. The 4D armrests are for the Ascended, those enlightened with the gift of one extra dimension. Only they can truly comprehend the majesty of the 4D armrest.
Only after you have achieved Total RGB Enlightenment may you ascend to the Fourth Dimension.
Fourth dimension is time itself. Sitting in these is sending your spine back in time to ape times of our kind. So essentially anyone can use it.
I read that in Penguinz0s voice.
@@gudtimes6363 u watch him too? He bores me sometimes but at other times....OH MAN!!
@@amashaziz2212 yeah he's pretty hit or miss but can be really entertaining and funny. Also talks about internet culture which I would else miss.
I bought a Secretlabs chair a couple years ago for so much money it's embarrassing. I went ahead and returned it for a refund, paying the ridiculous restocking fees. After that, I got a $200 office chair on sale for $120 and it has been my chair for all things office/gaming related ever since. I can sit in it for 12+ hours every day without any issues and it is amazing.
What chair do you have?
Secret Labs chair are extremely good I don't know what you're talking about lol. Probably the only "gaming" chair who's actually good.
Me: *casually reading reviews on chairs* "awesome chair! 10 stars out of five" *next review* "DO NOT BUY THIS CHAIR SOOOO UNCOMFORTABLE"
Really any product on Amazon.
@@ThatBlakeCampbell true
go to a store and sit at the chair to be sure if you like it
@@idkser2016 I was going to say that.
@@idkser2016 too late i got the ergochair 2 it's pretty good
Testimony: I owned a gaming chair, it destroyed my tailbone and lower back. Bought a used herman miller and now I don't have the pain. Completely gone. This channel is for the people! 🤝👏👏👏🙏
When people scream Herman Miller costs too much I remind them to check the used markets and office buildings closing.
Testimony: owned a gaming chair. Didn't have back pain before. Less than a year ago I replaced it with an office chair. Because… it was broken and I listened to this channel, which I regretted. Next chair is a gaming chair again.
Ah, and I never had nor do I have back pain, and I spend around 12-16 hours, each and every day, in my chair. And I'm closer to 60 than to 50.
@@davidfence6939 Still too much. Yes, some people are "poor".
Am i the only person who sees the name "gamer" attached to something and immediately think of low-quality overpriced products?
You're not alone.
It's just like "military grade" or "mil-spec" or "tactical" and the airsofters, they go crazy for that shit...
Nope. You're not alone, and you are correct. Aside from mice and high hz monitors i cant think of any "gaming" product id waste my money on. (And even then, theres a lot of low quality gaming mice floating around)
Gaming keyboards? Mediocre and expensive, a few in corsairs lineup are the only "good" ones i know of, but more expensive than better keyboards. Whereas a non-gaming branded keyboard like Ducky, Das and PFU are excellent quality for a modest price
Gaming headsets? Same shit. Cant think of a good one that isnt in excess of ~$350-$400 and even those ones are lackluster compared to studio headphones made by proper audio companies for $200
At the end of the day its unreasonable to expect a company that sells everything from headphones to chairs and gaming desks to be as good as a company that specialises in one specific product
I agree pretty much. When its explicitely marketed as gaming, i have to look into it more. Some products are good enough and I buy them but yeah, its a red flag for me.
I immediately think of the Tim & Eric bit with the "I'm a gamer" intro.
"Due to a language barrier, we were unable to determine if it could truly, travel time."
I died laughing
so you returned back from the dead to write this? respect
welcome back to life
F
4D armrests I've seen can travel through time, but have all been broken as they only seem to go one direction - forwards. No fast forward function on them either.
RIP in Peace!
I work 12 hour shifts and I spend most of those on an Ikea Markus. Over here it's around $135. I cannot recommend it enough, I love it so much I bought a couple for my home as well. I'm sure there are better and fancier chairs, but I couldn't find anything better for that price.
Awesome! I've wanted someone to cover this for so long, the gaming chairs seem to be such a meme. I use the Aeron myself, the thought process was 10+ year warranty when I was previously going going through generic "office chairs" every 2 years at about $200 a pop, so might as well just spend more on something that will last - no issues after about 5 years so far, comfort is fine, not amazing but gets the job done sitting for some 15 hour days.
Good to see you, Jarrod! Yes, that makes a ton of sense and I think is probably the same thought process as the big IT businesses go through when buying them for employees. Not everyone can afford a $1000+ instant hit for a new chair (vs. 5x $200 expenses over 10 years), so clearly there's a market for cheaper ones, but for people who can afford it, your argument makes a lot of sense!
I think after 15 hours, everything gets uncomfortable . . .
@@GamersNexus I actually prefer my gaming chair vs any office/ergo chair ive tested so far, but i dont like to sit ergonomically :P i usually keep my legs on the chair and im a small fella 179cm 55kg corrected height lol this is what happens with the devils lettuce
Warranty for 300 lbs, 24/7 usage. Especially for offices that cycle through multiple 8hour shifts
We used aeron's at the base I worked at. best damn chair i ever had. later I got a steelcase leap v2. still have it after 5 years. amazing chair. I sleep in it lol
As a subscriber to both, I love the balance between Linus who sells us shit we don't need and Steve who tells us not to buy shit we don't need.
At least lttstore.com doesn't sell a stupid gaming chair. Linus may be a high pitched easily excitable sponsor boi, but at least he's a good and honest businessman that doesn't sell products he doesn't use himself.
His “showcase” and sponsored videos are definitely getting close to shill territory, but he never says anything he doesn't fully believe, he just may not fully show *all* of the cons of the product in the sponsored video itself.
A great example would be the 8k gaming video he did with the 3090. Everything he said was factually true, but iirc he just didn't make a comment on the price of the 3090. He definitely slammed it in his actual review of the card tho, so it's not like he will never say bad things about a product, he just usually won't say them in the sponsored content itself.
@@nickd7935 this comment didn't age well
@@swapnilmankame ..... no, no it did not. 😅
Just an excuse for Steve to talk more about mesh and air flow.
You know it. Some of the case makers could come up with creative chairs. Fractal Meshify Gaming Chair. Now with built in cable management and RGB.
@@Raivo_K "Excellent build quality, but issues with airflow.."
@@DzinkyDzink Pretty much the only complaint I had about Meshify C is that the materials felt bit cheap... Airflow and cable management feel great though.
The Aeron is, hands down, the best chair I have ever sat on. Not only does it offer sustained comfort and lack of fatigue over very long periods of sitting, but also it is insanely durable and maintains resale value forever. There are used Aerons on the market going for $600 today, that are 20+ years old. And they are just as good today, as they were when sold new.
This is the biggest thing that most people don’t consider. You can sit in a Herman Miller or Steelcase chair for 8 hours straight and never experience fatigue/discomfort, meanwhile a cheaper knockoff of these you might start to experience it after a few hours, and garbage chairs you may notice it in under an hour or two. For most people, a cheaper dedicated office chair with a similar design to a HM/Steelcase around the $2-300 price will do solid for years. For a full time job…just bite the bullet and get the more expensive ergonomic options by the leaders..your body will thank you. Also, get some overstock/office close outs for half price versus buying new.
I've worked at my company for 7 years now, and all the Aeron chairs that get daily use are still going strong. Dunno how long we had them prior to me working there, but that says a lot about the quality of the chairs
I don't why anyone would think that saying "hands down" is a normal thing to do
YEARS of actual ergonomic research.
VS
Marketing for teens.
Because why work when you can just sell products to uninformed consumers?
Reminds me of Beats, pre-Apple.
Yea I never understood why people buy crap 150 USD chair for like 400-500 USD...
But the reality is that it is all marketing, companies just give free chairs to UA-camrs and Streamers, and people just buy it...
Marketing for streamer losers more like.
@@Dynasty1818 ok, i understand the sentiment, but you just sound jelly 2 me. Lol
"Gaming" is like when they use the word "Tactical" or "Military grade" in some Item's title. It's just wordplay and hot garbage.
Wish body armor: "2021 Military Grade 3A New Amazing Body Armor!"
Then it's just aluminum armor...
Lmao I think my gigabyte motherboards talks about some military grade thing. I think it was alloys or something but it's been a while since I've seen the box.
@@thecoolguy9364 Did they lie though? Like “mil grade aluminum 6061” could mean, ,,yeah, our dinner trays are made out of Al 6061”. 😂 Even mil spec doesn’t guarantee quality, it simply means parts from different manufacturers are interchangable in said spec.
And military grade is literally the cheapest materials they could get.
@kev063 I think most of them are paid for to use them during streams.
the whole gamersnexus team has a unique and quietly hysterical sense of humor.
"It's like a concrete L"
"*** this chair"
"this is a good chair"
Wait what, i thought this video was old. Im an idiot
I think a video in the theme of 'The Office' starring all of them would be humorous. 😅
slapped like
@@GamersNexus I did not expect the phrase "**** this chair" to appear in a youtube video, much less it being meaningful to the subject matter. Yet here we are.
Thank you for doing this video. I almost just bought a 500 dollar gaming chair cause I'm looking for something more comfortable. I now know to go get an office chair tomorrow. Thank you sir! BTW, I love how you show you guys nerding out in this video. Awesome.
Christ if I paid that much for a gaming chair I'd give all my bank account details to my family or some shit so that I don't impulse buy anymore lmao
Best way to test chair for gaming is go shop at try sitting it. I tried gaming chair only once, I couldn't stand sitting it that chair for more than minute.
Neither mesh filling office chairs are good for gaming.
I picked every time decently hard foam seat cushion with breathable mesh. Price around 50-150USD after currency conversion for US.
Got 2nd one only after many years of daily use, 1st one was worn cushion cover, while last one was bit loosy I just tightened screws and it lasts. Also cushion was initially wrong angled resulting in sliding off chair, I was almost ready to throw in trash, but it went flattened to become comfortable finally.
If it breaks its cheap to get new one.
But comfort and value is great.
Avoid synthetic leather cushion cover.
Forearm rest is best made from rubber coating,
Did I forget to say it shall be wheel chair?
That's all from me.
@@Jenna_Talia right lol I paid $120 for mine. i don't mind it for that price
Lemme guess: Titan Evo 2022? I wish GN would go over it because all other reviews of it said it was great.
What did you end up getting amd how is is holding up?
Wait ? You actually made a full on fledge video about "gaming" chairs ? This is why i subbed , never disappointed
Me sitting on used car tyre: interesting.
*Tire. Yes, I am American therefore I am correct.
😂😂😂
XD Im watching this went to the comments because of something completely random and noticed this comment whiles sitting on one of those church style Blue/Black/or brown metal foldout chairs. I lost it when I read that .
Mita Vittu
*me sitting on a chair that was thrown away* neat.
I did my engineering internship with Steelcase in their "task chair" group. I initially thought it was ridiculous that people paid $500-1,000 for Leap, Think, or Amia chairs. Then I started using them daily for hours on end, and I am completely amazed at how comfy they are. I personally sat in an Amia daily, and it was one of the most comfortable chairs I've ever used. I use a $500 Steelcase chair at home and I absolutely love it. I use it every day for several hours since 2011 (so 10+ years old as I type this) and it's still in immaculate shape and still comfy. It truly is worth hundreds of dollars for a decent task chair. I helped write test specs for these chairs and they're beat to shit in testing to simulate 25 years of abuse. Unless you're tossing your chair down stairwells, it will last a long and good life, and support your body well.
Whats the chair you use
@Ensrick we stan the leap in this house
GOt a used leap v2, beat all the garbage gaming chair i used to have in my young
@@jfhdhiwdhwhsyffuso are office chairs better then gaming chairs for gaming?
@@jfhdhiwdhwhsyffuso yea are they better ?
I grabbed an ergochair back when they introduced their original model like 5 years ago. Most expensive chair I've ever got, and also the first office chair I've ever had that lasted more than a year and is still going strong . It really takes a good chair to make you realize just how bad others are.
Should've hired Hitchcock and Scully to scrutinize these chairs. They're experts in that field.
Nice Brooklyn 99 ref right there.
I hear Hitchcock once rode an office chair home in a blizzard.
They would even do it for free if you give them food
Hahahaha your a goat for that comment
My surname is Hitchcock :)
Funnily enough the most comfortable office chair I've sat in has to be this old leather office chair from the 90s my friend found in our college's furniture warehouse. Felt more like a La-Z-Boy than an actual office chair. Heavenly.
Speaking of la-z boy, I have one, and I love it so much, except that it's too big for my desk
That's exactly what I've been trying to find with zero luck.
@@YusefYandron They don't make them like they used to
@@BlueCheeseWheeze i actually take that back turns out i just needed to tighten the screws more
Wouldn't that just make u tired n not wanna work
Steve: "This chair would be an upgrade to someone sitting in a Dining Room chair"
Me who uses a Dining Room chair: "You dare to insult my gaming chair!?"
heh get an upgrade, i sat on one for years and had pain everywhere that touches the chair
I've used a 1890 spring cushion dining chair for last 5 years lol. Finally upgraded to mesh last month!
Man, I've been using a foldable garden chair since 3 years.
had to fix a few joints when they flew apart ^^'
I'd love a dining room chair or better XD
Steve: "This chair would be an upgrade to someone sitting in a Dining Room chair"
Me who uses a Dining Room chair: "You dare to insult my gaming chair!?"
#2
As a rocker of the dining room chair myself (my desk is literally in my dining room), get a foam seat cushion off of Amazon. Totally worth it and it props you up an inch.
One of my favorite GN videos! For years i used a metal folding chair that had lost it's back cushion and developed permanent scars on my back that make it look like I've been lashed. My partner lovingly calls them my "world of Warcraft battle scars"
I laughed so hard at "the only thing less breathable than a vertagear chair is an NZXT case" hahaha
ya that was a good one!
:( wait a minute I have an nzxt case
I did too from my vertagear chair quickly glancing over at my NZXT H510i lmao
Brilliant 🤣🤣
Some front and top panel customization (CNC'd holes on the h710) and it is one of the best, easily.
The armrests actually can travel through time at one second per second, and only in one direction.
wanna guess the direction?
I'm sold.
They are very useful though, "5D" should be the next thing for when you lean back, like changing the armrests angle against the seat's angle.
@@a.andrei5826 when armrest angles (pitch) are not manually adjustable but change their angle synchronized to the seating area in certain ratios with the backrest (mine is 2:1, so for every 20degrees of tilt on my backrest, the armrests tilt back by 10degrees) they call it a synchro mechanism.
but i guess 5d rolls off the tongue better so it could be marketed LOL
Thank you Steve for finally bringing the truth. I've been saying this for years. Gaming chairs are styled like racing bucket seats which are originally meant to hold a driver in place, not be super comfortable. Trying to turn that same style into comfortable gaming chairs is like trying to reverse engineer a Ferrari into a minivan instead of just designing something for the intended purpose.
This 100%. Also, racing bucket seats are never made out of leather and have very little padding. It makes no sense to turn them into a comfy chair.
They actually managed to make both a shitty computer chair AND a shitty racing seat. Truly a feat to behold.
4D, it's uncomfortable up, down, left, right, front, back and over time.
I've used a Herman Miller Aeron for at least 10 years and couldn't recommend them more. Started using them as the standard chair at my office, then bought my own during the COVID WFH period (I bought from a 2nd hand company the buys as part of office closures). The quality of the materials and the range of adjustments are absolutely superb. Yes these things are expensive, but if you have a desk job like me, you can't put a price on the productivity and wellbeing boost you get from being comfortable all day.
💯
How much did you spend on it if you mind me asking?
How do they fit for women? I am small
@@subyouwont They have different sizes.
Steve, I for one am deathly disappointed that this isn't a Gamers Nexus™ Gaming Chair announcement video. No I didn't watch, why do you ask
That might be saved later for dissapoinment build merch🤔
Crandall office allows custom prints on their refurbished fabric chairs. So get a refurbished Leap and slap GN blue and a wireframe logo on it.
where is the link to pre-order the GN chair?
I’m sitting on a wooden chair with a blanket as the cushion. Any thing for me is an upgrade
😆
Mine was a 90 degree wooden chair, with 1cm of cushion, I preferred standing up
Iv bought a fifty dollar chair from Amazon since then but the only game I could stand up on I play is for honor, my desk is kinda low for standing
that is prob better than a gaming chair lol
I upgraded to a pillow instead of a blanket
My "gaming chair" is a mesh head rest, mesh back rest and mesh seat, (for airflow, softness and cooler temperature contact point) with swivel and wheels, with adjustable height for head rest, back rest, and arm rest is also adjustable height and forward and backward, rotatable as well, and also adjustable lumbar support behind the back rest.
It has everything i need for a comfy chair and it costs USD110. I used it for gaming, for movie, for work, for everything. i only have 1 chair.
all the gaming chairs look so uncomfortable. i don't understand why you want to pay so much money for an uncomfy chair. my chair still lasts 3 years going now. the mesh are still strong and nothing's broken nor stopped working. i expect to use it for another 2 years. there's literally no reason to change it due to functionality.
and yes, like the video conclusion said, if you do not exercise, stretch the correct muscles, have good posture when sitting or standing, it affects your comfort level when you are sitting on your chair as well. Only constant exercising and stretching your neck, your back can then allows you to slouch longer / have bad but comfy resting postures.
what is the model and brand of this chair you have?
@@SuperScyth The one i have is M16. As dangerous as it sounds, its actually pretty harmless =P
At the time of buying (which i realized was in Dec 2017), the chair was named as :
"M16 Iden Ventilated Office Chair (Black)"
bought for SGD 189.
Seller website : Take A Seat dot sg
that "Iden" word was used in the past, and is no longer part of the branding name in searches today, and in local sg online stores.
google searches for the words "M16 chair" today, will find the new M16 chairs shown with padded seats only (the headrest and back are still mesh).
However I did find M57 chair (a more pricer version) to look exactly like M16, but with mesh seat. it has the exact same design as M16. I believed they have rebranded the M16 mesh to be M57.
there is a website
sihoo
dot
com
dot
au
where you can find the product "SIHOO M16 Ergonomics Office Chair".
Scroll down and you can actually see a table that says the "Seat pan" is Mesh version. Crazy price though. also not sure why the armrest is mentioned as fixed sold by this store. My M16 armrest could push the top portion forward & back, up & down, and rotate too.
ua-cam.com/video/zceJPMn1HfQ/v-deo.html
I bought myself a DX Racer after my daughter told me how much she loved the one I bought her for her birthday. I now wish I had used a different criterium for choosing my current gaming "throne".
That's good that she likes hers, though!
Umm why would you take your kid's advice? Should be the other way around lol
in my opinion DX Racer is far better than other gaming chairs. Mine doesn't restrict the shoulder at all, the armrests are soft, and they don't wear out that fast. Have mine for 3 years now and its comfortable like on day 1. I guess DX Racer isn't one of those copy paste companies.
@@marle96 I got the Valkyrie series, since I’m not big I fit perfectly in it but I still would prefer a office chair over gaming chair.
@@marle96 My dxracer, a premium version with apparently better covering is pretty much dead after 2 years. The arm rests have big cracks, the fake leather has totally disintegrated on the seat and is generally just falling apart. It IS comfortable though, just shit quality, especially for the price.
I have a driver's seat out of a 90's Honda Civic mounted to an office chair base. Super comfortable for /hours/.
I did that with a a Volvo passenger (less wear) seat from a scrapyard. Sofa feeling in the office chair :D
I had a volvo s60 and 96 civic seat for my sim rig, the civic seat is hard and not comfortable, the volvo seat was a supportive sofa, 10/10 will get another volbo seat
Hah, glad more people do this. Used an old volkswagen recaro seat and welded it on a chair steel frame. Still sits comfy.
I was thinking about doing that
Sounds like a terrific chair to play driving simulators :)
I love how he finishes saying that getting your core stronger will do more for your posture and health in general then expensive chairs.
I got a Secretlab Chair after having a cheap Amazon gaming racing chair for a long time. The Secretlab has been perfect for me (One of the only companies to include a smaller model for shorter people). Lumbar support is fantastic, magnetic pillow doesn't have the sag issues like the "seatbelt" pillows do, armrests are CUSHY (even more so after I warranty replaced them when some of the material started cracking on the originals. The model number for the new replacements is V3 versus the V1 on the originals I got, so I know they've been changing and upgrading things). Based on the warranty experience alone that I've had with Secretlab, the high price was well worth it. Also went with softweave over leather/faux leather and it was defintely the right choice.
All that being said, when this Secretlab dies on me - and I expect it to last a VERY long time, it's still doing well a year later - I'll probably go with a mesh ergonomic office to save a bit more money and still have a fantastic chair for posture and comfort.
you have the exact same experience as me, only complaint I have about the secretlab is that the armrests have quite a lot of give in the rotation adjustment, but the memory foam armrests are super nice
I had the same experience. Honestly, I love my chair. I got the gel armrests, but that’s only because my room gets hot. The ones it came with were perfectly comfy. I wish they would’ve included secret labs in the testing, because they seem to be higher quality than most gaming chairs
I really appreciate y'all having this video spread out over time.
One of my biggest concern with consumer products is that they are almost ALL great at first impressions, but it's all a matter of how quickly the quality degrades from there; and people tend to leave reviews for how things are within the first week, so it's hard to tell how well the product actually lasts beyond that.
So glad to see others finally pushing this cause. Fought for it last year.
Stop lying
Your seed and the seeds of others have sprouted and saved me from wasting money. Kudos to all!!
Gaming chairs are proven to give you better aim
A veteran of the 2020 chair war?
Rosa Parks can suck it! This man is a true hero! Yay!
A great chair doesn’t necessarily give you some instant epiphany. It’s when you realise 10 hours have passed and your back is fine and you can stand up feeling fresh that you realise what an investment in your spine a good chair truly is.
I use an Embody for work and a Gesture for home/work.
I ended up getting the Aeron soon after I watched this video, and it's been amazing.
I can't imagine going through the hassle of having to replace a gaming chair, after it inevitably fails.
@@s7r49 Have you tuned it for your body?
"Sitting in a dining room chair..." Me who has been using the same dining room chair for two years....
Same goes for me :)
two years, that's a rookie number
been using a common foldable chair for like almost decade right here
Same, and my back hurts a lot from long computer sessions
Me
Im just about to buy a new chair and Im sitting on a dining room chair right now and I have to say Its literally pain in the ass...
Thank you! I am in the process of buying a chair for my teenage son, and haven't been able to find independent reviews on gaming chairs. It was great to watch a review that is not affiliated with Amazon and taking me directly to Amazon to buy a chair that is not exactly what I'm searching for but an alternative which is slightly different. They look flashy and appealing but I don't want to spend money on something that is crap.
Even for teens it isn't worth it. Good posture is like everything else. If you learn cheap when you're young you pay the bill for the rest of your life. Not worth it. Mine gave me massive back issues and tennis elbow.
We love a parent who wants the best for their teenage son and is supporting their hobbies!
based mom (that means good)
5:35 OMG that "Zhejiang" pronunciation is just spot on, good job Steve.
50 cent army agrees
I think he speaks Chinese...or Mandarin, or...I'm not sure and now I feel bad for saying anything.
I had the same thought the instant I heard his pronounciation. I was like, "Damn, someone took the time to learn how to pronounce something in Mandarin!"
@@tolpacourt en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_Voice
First time I watched that part I thought that it was an audio glitch on the part of my headphones. Had to re-listen that part and I would've never guessed that Zhejiang is supposed to be pronounced that way. It sounds beautiful :) I would've pronounced it something like Cheychang, but now I know better :D
I love how you are brutally honest about these chairs lol I’ve been looking for a office chair I like that is able to be tall enough for my desk and I always watch your videos with hubby on his pc so I already knew I was gonna get honesty straight from the jump before even hitting play lol. Love your channel!❤
I could feel my gaming chair becoming more and more unconfortable by the minute
"This is a good chair." - Patrick
The 2 month wait on my Ergochair 2 has been validated!
wow it took two months. I ordered mine bf and I got it in two weeks
@@johngonzalez7052 That's great! I was accused of shilling for Autonomous when I said that on their Facebook page because others had waited longer. Things have improved I guess
@@jesso2k6 probably because autonomous is known pretty well for shilling/astroturfing their chairs
Ergochair 2 is apparently very overrated. Bad build quality and the design of the seat is HORRIBLE if you're taller than average since it kills the bloodflow in your legs. Check out some of the reviews that aren't full of shilling to get a better picture.
@@thedamntrain3467 well I have one so I don't actually need someone to tell me if I'm comfortable or if it's better than my Ikea Markus, I have my butt for that. The original comment about needing Patrick's validation was a joke.
So here is a new trend.. Step aside "Gaming Chairs" we have "Gaming Desks" which seem to be jazzed up regular desks at inflated prices, same thing all over again.
Let me guess, Did they put a racing stripe on it? Maybe spraypaint the table flat black like the bat mobile? 😝
* Slap an RGB strip into a regular desk *
Yep this is a $1000 Gaming desks now
@@vrab. literally yes.
@@vrab. yeah. it's literally a table made out of a smooth / synthethic material that has a SMALLER surface and less stable legs because of the weird design. and it also has random RGB glowing lines so it can drain you electricity too when it's only job is to hold your stuff from the ground :D
Exxel Setijadi bahahahaha.
Man, i need to get in the desk biz.
Absolutely spot on, especially the Noblechairs Icon. I currently own this and the arm rests are stupidly uncomfortable. I've had it for just over 2 years now and I cannot wait to get rid of it. Currently researching office chairs for an Christmas gift to myself!!
This has to be the fastest I've clicked on a video. Rigorous testing of BS gaming chairs? IM SOLD
Edit: 3 minutes in and the sarcasm has made it so worth it
ikr
They might want to rebrand these $250-350 mesh chairs as "high airflow" and double the price for gamers.
Add rechargeable rgb fans and ur gold!
Those manufacturers could just take a hint from car seat manufacturers, a lot of top-tier leather car seats actually have mesh seats and backs just for ventilation.
ah yes finally someone covering this
Jayz2cents did this a while ago...
Linus has talked about this many times
@@fallen1102 Yet continues to accept sponsors by gaming chair companies and sits in those said uncomfortable gaming chairs.
Many people have covered this topic before. But perhaps not with the same audience at GN.
@@Waldo1122 lol how do you think these tubers make money? Ad revenue plays a part but they all have sponsors. Just have to take everything they say with a grain of salt (as we should do anyways)
The best advice for buying a chair is to go to a store and find one that fits you and that you are comfortable in. I got a gaming chair at an office furniture store solely because it supported my posture for my computer use. The office chairs made for high capacity use were uncomfortable. The arm rests didn't go low enough, nor did the seat go low enough for me to reach the ground.
Me waiting for the noise normalized thermal tests
That one chair was really squeaky
That sounds like a fart joke.
Gaming chairs are about 61C
Office chairs are 31C or less cuz watercooled cushions
Before or after Taco Bell?
I recommend a chair with a mesh bottom.
Linus wasn't messing around when he said "Steve is so hardcore, he is like I'm going to learn Chinese and talk to Chinese employee *about a topic I can't remember atm*" in a wan show. Kudos for going such lengths for a chair comparison video.
I love how high end chair wheels are rollerblade wheels.
They said they were aftermarket wheels
I have some like that and they're amazing. Super smooth because of the material when they're locked they don't move at all. Really good when using some sort of controller that is mounted on the table.
I have very expensive roller product bags for work. They have rollerblade wheels and they're fantastic.
Yeah roller blade wheels are nice..... you know there is no reason to re invent the wheel..... I will see my self out
I bought some that look like rollerblade wheels and added them to my conference room chair I salvaged from my employer when we closed our office due to COVID.
They are super silent and wont damage the bamboo my floors, so I don't need a stupid chair mat. If you want a cheap upgrade for your chair, I can't recommend the upgraded casters enough.
I bought these, this is a non-affiate link. I don't have any interest in them, other than being a satisfied user.
www.amazon.com/dp/B07V3HMLKT/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_SUF8Fb43GWGDZ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
I actually don't mind my Secretlab chair, and its been more durable than the last three office chairs I owned... The most long lasting and best office chair I had came with my desk circa 2008 and only broke itself in 2014 so It lasted me 6 years. "Tony" was great, The second chair lasted 6 months, the 3rd chair an Identical copy of the 2nd lasted 3 years, Then The next chair was a hand me down from the wife which she had had for 2 years when I got it and it lasted me a year, so 4 office chairs in 11 years, and now the Secret lab which I have had for just over 1 year with no issues and comfortably sit in it for 37.5 hours a week at my work from home position.
I dont like my secret lab leather chair. its hard and unformfortable with long periods.. i did sit in my gfs secret lab cloth chair. The smaller model. Its way better.
The reaction to the herman miller is dead on. I felt exactly the same when I purchased my embody recently. I wish this came out before I bought it. With that said the comfort is clearly noticable over long periods of time and their durability is obvious seeing how well the aerons from liquidators hold up. If you want a great chair that lasts and doesn't hurt you, buy one from a liquidator! Good chairs are made to last and a significant chunk their initial pricing comes from their ease of set up for large companies to not deal with when buying hundreds of them.
Yup! Got my Leap V2 for $200, 9/10 condition. HATED my old gaming chair.
I have herman miller in office... amazing chair, sadly this year I work from home
I tried to find an Embody used in Québec and I found exactly zero. I bought a brand new one for a little $2600 CAD *(cry in ultimate ass comfort)
@@morbid1. Most companies are letting employees check out monitors and laptops from work to use at home, maybe you could convince them of the productivity benefits of using your office chair at home lol
Ease of setup, and the 12 year parts and labor warrantee. Which I would guess is a significant part of the $1200 price of the Aeron.
Gamers Nexus on gaming PC cases: Needs more mesh
Gamers Nexus on gaming chairs: Needs more mesh
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nice
that's meshed up
Mesh Nexus
Gamers Nexus on their girlfriend's bedroom wear: Needs more mesh.
When I went shopping for a "gaming chair", I literally went to the store and sat in every chair and bought the one that felt the most comfortable. The most comfortable definitely was not the $300 something gaming chair.
Yeah, I picked up a $150 "gaming chair," and it is perfectly comfortable. I have expensive office chairs at... the office, and they're pretty shit. People whining about them "not being conducive to good posture" need to learn to sit better. Any mid-backed office chair like the Aeron starts to cut into my back if I sit properly.
@@RvLeshrac you probably need to adjust lumbar support if it's digging into your back
How long did it stay comfortable i.e. before the seat padding was more of a water cracker than a cloud?
@@Username-2 you speak the truth my friend
@@EternalGaze8 Considering it costs as much as a used car it should be able to become an heirloom.
The best decision I ever made was buying a used HON Ignition office chair from an office furniture store instead of trying to buy a "gaming" chair. It's so solidly made that it'll probably last for years and it's comfortable.
Every time I go to a friend’s house and saw that they had a racing chair, I would give them the corny, yet humor “how fast are you trying to go?”
Love your movies man!
You're breathtaking!
John Wick, they need hard chairs to defend your bullets. Keep those pencils away as well. On top of that they can simulate Neo going into the matrix, since those chairs can bend 180 degrees.
I'd say, how do you like being locked into a bucket seat?
@@Chicken-1923 Orly? Would've thought they'd be perfect for all uses, restaurants, waiting rooms, dentist chairs.
High chairs for toddlers.
Yesterday I watched this and realized that the neck and upper back tension I have suffered for the past 3 years likely comes from the gaming chair I'm daily sitting in. I've been working from the home office for the past year so it got really bad recently. I researched the entire morning and finally ordered a new office chair for 750$. It has just arrived and I'm literally crying of joy. Thanks for making this video Steve!
wont help unless you lie on your back with your head sticking outside your bed to strech it
Better late than never! As someone who has already had back surgery, your back and posture thanks you for getting a proper chair. What chair did you end up getting!??
What is the name of your chair?
The same here...
@@csi2448 got myself a Giroflex 353 - from a Swiss company, I'm Swiss ;)
Oh please, you guys never got to try the best chair of them all: the folding party chair
I'm pretty sure you mean the white plastic chair
Man you've never heard of an upside down laundry basket with a pillow
Best chair is a sex chair for her but they don't say a he can't sit on it lol 🤣🤣
My decade old monoblock chair would like to weigh in to this conversation
oh yeah i used to have one back in the days when i just played on a laptop
I got the HM Aeron used and so far it's amazing in terms of ergonomics. I wouldn't say it's exactly comfortable but it supports your spine and posture really well. You almost won't be able to sit in a slacked weird posture capable of harming your spine. I wanted to try out the other ones, but this was the cheapest one available because of how widely available it is. It also had a head rest installed which I would highly recommend other people get too.
The 4D chairs do actually traverse time... forwards... at a rate of 1 second per second, accurate advertising for the win
@Mouysee same
@Mouysee i can make Uncle Ben's 60 second rice, in 59 seconds.
28:03 "We shot everything before this point in about August of 2020 and then we just let it all *_sit_* ." - Steve "Pun Intended" Burke
I'll pretend it was intentional!
@@GamersNexus That's what they always say
"a more powerful gas lift for our american market, which they recommended by the way"
Haha, i actually didn't get that when i watched the video but now i do reading your comment.
It always amused me when the main difference between the American and Asian gamer was one would eat themself to death whilst the other would starve!
To be fair, due to differences in food habits and some genetic factors, people of South East Asian and Indian sub-continent heritage would tend to be smaller and lighter than their North American and British counterparts.
However they are catching up to the US and UK in heart disease and other obesity-related conditions, as economic prosperity increases and Western food options become more affordable and available.
I fucking crird when he said that, I was like god damn...
Well, no shit. Chinese men are at best, the height and weight of a 16 year old girl.
Steve's sarcasm about the 4D armrest is just hilarious
watches video**
me: removes gaming chair from cart
Let me guess when you buy a pc. If it says gaming on it than you buy one 😂👍
@@crazymonkey60123 must have rgb too
noober341 people that care about rgb really don’t have a life, unless your a kid 12 and younger.
I care about rgb because one with out rgb is bland.
@@SlutGdanteChosenOneSwinger14 classy*
The way he instantly sat in the gaming chair and said "Yeah Fuck this chair" got me dead
I sat in one and loved it for 4 hours. Towards the end I hated it. Sat in a cheapo mesh office chair for 6 hours and felt great. Yeah. Screw gaming chairs. But they look so cool
The way I like the chair he hates tho
"someone sitting in a dining room chair right now" I didn't need that callout lmaooo
😂
Same bro lmao £1500 and I’m on a wood chair. Shit sucks
It’s why I’m here!!! 😭😭
honestly if it didnt make my ass hurt id be using one now.
I still reference this video when the topic of gaming chairs comes up.
One thing that really isn't covered in this video (understandably) which is really a big deal with the Herman Miller is longevity.
After consistaint backpain I bought a used HM Aeron which finally had an arm fall off in...2020 or 2021 (bolt sheered off, easy fix) but in cleaning the chair I noticed a date of manufacture on the chair pan, the thing was built in 1998. So it lsated 22/23 years before finally having a critical failure (which was fixed for $10) and while I didn't sit in my Aeron when it was new, not once did it feel like a used 15+ year old chair.
I've since sold my Aeron (for more than I bought it for) and bought a brand new Herman Miller Logitech Embody and will probably be using it for another 20 years.
As a Mandarin speaker, I have to take a moment and appreciate how well Steve pronounced Zhejiang
@5:32? I thought it was just some random YT codec error
Yeah but his english is left wanting 😁jk
I saw Steve speaking Mandarin during a visit to Shenzhen. It’s great to see his engagement and respect regarding this important language. After all, China is the center of the tech world.
14 years ago I bought an all-mesh office chair with no adjustments (except for height) for less than $100, and it was the most comfortable chair I've ever sat in.
It held for 3 years at the very least, and I only gave it up when I had to move, and didn't think I'd ever have trouble finding something similar.
12 years ago I bought a 200€ office chair designed for long sessions. To this day, I'm still using it everyday. Most chairs I had before did not last a couple years before the feet or back broke.
@@Telbruk you know, if they stack those chairs you mentioned high enough, it could be a broke-back mountain...
I'm leaving already.
@@avinotion Can you please tell me what the chair is name and is it good for gaming and relaxing? Good back support?
@@2muchflava999 address your question to the other guy. The one I had, had no brand. Sorry.
@@Deathrape2001It was 15 years ago, no brand and cheap as hell ($75). That price makes sense because it was right before the 2008 collapse which made everything lower quality for a higher price.
Didn't know finding something like that would be impossible, nor did I think I'd need to remember exactly what brand it was for an internet argument.
And how is it bragging rights? I lost something good.
Never mind, I just read your name. You probably think it's cool...
Why am I arguing with "deathrape2001"? Grow up.
Obviously the main driver of this ridiculous market is they became “cool” for Twitch streamers
They've made it all but impossible to find a comfy desk chair 🙁
They give them out for free to any youtuber / twitch gamer with more than a handful of subscribers, just to their their names seen on camera
Is that obvious? I would say it's clear that they are sponsored to use those chairs. But you said 'obviously' so you obviously know.
I mean in fairness the big twitch streamers i follow all have the high end version of the chairs. Ive got one its borderline gaming/ office chair, the Noble Hero and it is very comfy even after 8+ hr sessions. genuinely not much to fault with it, other than as GN pointed out the armrests are hard as shit. lol
I bought the blue-cushioned ErgoChair 2 about 4 years ago. I added elbow cushions from Amazon for $5.
Best chair I’ve ever gamed in. Extremely comfortable. Looks great. Really good for posture.
And still going strong 4 years later.
The real exposé here is how shipping works and that Amazon isn't magic.
Brother! :D
basically there no such things as free shipping.
I already knew this, just common sense, but always good to see smart sources confirm :)
Amazon shipping isn't as simple as he said. Amazon has done a ton into getting cheaper shipping. It's not as simple as Amazon engrains the price while Newegg doesnt.
I use the Herman Miller Embody. It's expensive but has literally improved my back issues and has a 12 year warranty.
Embody is a good choice as well, but didn't fit my 6'5" frame. I ended up getting the Aeron in the Type C Size. It wasn't mentioned in the video but they have multiple sizes A, B, C based on size and height of a person. If you're fortunate like me, I'd highly recommend checking them out in store to find the best fit.
I have the Cosm High Back (all mesh). 6’3” checking in and holy cow is it worth it. The amount of these bad gaming chairs you can have in the time that HM’s warranty covers your chair alone makes it worth it without even mentioning ergonomics.
My local showroom was offering both the Aeron and the Embody at the same price, went with the fully decked Aeron in size B solely because I thought the Embody needs more time for its quirks to pop up as they start aging and I know the Aeron is proven reliable, I'll definitely grab an Embody in 2 or 3 years though, it's an amazing chair.
You know what improves back issues even more? Not sitting all the time. Anybody who uses words like "ergonomically sound" is telling lies. All that matters for "ergonomics" is that you are not in pain when sitting in a chair.
I love my Embody chair. It's funny how popular the Aeron is given how polarizing it seems. A lot of people don't like it. Either way, that 12 year warranty (from a venerable manufacturer with good support) is mainly how I justified the high price tag. I was replacing cheap chairs every few years, and they weren't as well-built or as good for my back. It's an investment.
i thought this was common knowledge, those shitty "gaming chairs" are the easiest way to create back and neck issues
rocking the ergo chair 2 myself
EDIT: great video by the way, some long review processes you compiled here, doing the lords work
Judging by the market size, they still do very well! ErgoChair 2 is good. Patrick is using that one now and likes it.
I have the same chair the only flaw is the dumb designed arm rests
I learned my lesson, my Steelcase Leap is the best purchase I've ever made. Chose it after I tried the Aeron, Embody, Gesture, and Mirra.
Gaming chairs are easily the biggest scams in pc gaming since antivirus subscriptions. The fact that that always use junk tier vinyl, rather than actual leather or at least a booth quality vinyl is just laughable. Imagine getting swamp ass in summer from a $400 GAMING chair that is still going to crack like a $60 chair.
mesh office chairs all the way.
@@adrianmucha3421 yeah thats is prob my only gripe with it honestly, the padding on those arm rests sometimes make my elbows sore. That and the weird non locking positioning. Other than that I love all the different positioning options it has, I was struggling to find an office chair that could lean back similar to recliner lol, but this one has the perfect in between
For me the thing that pushed the Aeron chair over the top was the 12 year warranty. I am a fairly large dude at 6'3" 260. I freaking destroy chairs. After buying two $400+ gaming chairs in the same year, and having one break and drop me on my back, I decided I would go back to what I sat in at the office. Primarily because I used it for 10 years without even thinking about it. The gaming chairs however were both initially comfortable, then felt like sitting on cement after about 2 months. The aeron chairs mesh is still holding up almost 2 years later and has not sagged despite my squatch like ass spending 50+ hours a week in it.
Add the breathability of it in the summer, and the complete lack of "swamp ass", and I would take it every day of the week.
This is exactly the type of review I needed thank you 1