they need more red herrings lol idk why. For some reason the writers love the unknown identity storylines. They did it with Sauron all season 1, tbh it's better if we just know the wizard identity, just like if we know Sauron is Sauron, because they can then actually write a storyline about the character. Dancing around a "who is this character?" just is not fun or interesting to watch. It's a waste of screentime. Sauron rules in Season 2 bc he is doing cool Sauron stuff, and is still tricking everyone. Wizard is still the same meh "who is wizard" wizard...
I was watching the two towers extended edition and when merry and pippin get trapped in the tree in fangorn and treebeard says the same thing to them as Tom says to get Gandalf out of the tree. Loved it
That line is about showing mercy instead of killing someone, even if they deserve death, and in the end it’s Bilbo and Frodo and Sam all sparing Gollum’s life at different points that leads to the ring’s destruction. Here they have Tom use that line to tell Gandalf(?) that he should let people die so he can find a special stick. Just a wild, awful misunderstanding and misuse of the line and the character of Tom Bombadil
Yeah, i dont know why not many people are talking about this part...the line is awfully used. In the lotr gandalf says that to frodo regarding gollum, who ends up fullfilling a major part in the destruction of the ring. So Galdalf showed how wise he is, because if frodo, or bilbo, had killed him the ring probably woldn't be destroyed.
Yeah, he’s not saying leave your friends and let them die. The point Tom is trying to make is sometimes you have to make hard decisions and you’re gonna have to make a hard one here, because the enemy coming after you, and if you turn back now, you won’t have the chance to get back on this journey
@@gradyedwards8106 but thats totally different morality frame than Tolkien world means. This way used would be like Game of thrones world kind of decision. Awful, total mess. Modernity, diversity, morality, goulash.
Agreed. And I don't know why they're going and messing with Bombadil either. Tolkien didn't really reveal much about him because he was content with people making their own intrepretations. It should be left just as that.
This is Tom Bombadil in the Second Age. What we read in the Fellowship of the Ring is TB in the late Third Age (more than 3,000 years into the Third Age). In the Second Age apparently, he lived in the desert East and was far more interventionist. Several thousand years later something happened so in the late Third Age we see him in the Old Forest in the West and now withdrawn to a small realm not wanting to meddle with the outside world. What could have happened in the several thousand years between the mid-Second Age and the late-Third Age that made Tom change his life attitude?
@samg1879 no it's not. Almost all adaptations made a range of adjustments to... wait for it... ADAPT the material. Sometimes the choices and changes are for the best, sometimes not, but nothing about that process is intrinsically bad. If it is to you than stop wasting your time and mine and retreat into a racoon and just read source material and crawl in a ditch and die with it. You are so brittle and sensitive where any alterations are seen as abominations in your warped f*ck mind. I saw the first season of magicians from lev Grossman years ago, liked it so much I read the books. The show made RADICAL narrative departures and was not just some direct translation, but the changes and choices worked and it was a great show. If this is all beyond you, wallow in the misery imof your own mind and making. Understand that you deserve that misery and lack of enjoyment for being what you are. For my part, "I" get to enjoy more things like this in life because I am not saddled with your kind of gloomy brain rot.
Ok. Let me explain why the writers should be fired. In LOTR, Frodo says to Gandalf, "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance". To which Gandalf says "Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo?" What he is saying here, is do not be so quick to pass judgment. Frodo over the course of the next few weeks starts to really understand what Gandalf meant, and by the time he meets Smeagol, he is willing to see him for what he is, a victim tormented for hundreds of years. When the writers rawdog'd this line into ROP, they use it when Gandalf is WANTING TO SAVE HIS FRIENDS. What this quote means in THIS context, is "look pal, some people die, grow up." Keep in mind, he is saying to him "Dog, you need to find your staff, you'll only find it when your focused on one thing." Gandalf says his friends are in mortal peril, and Tommy boi drops that zinger of a line. It works in the complete opposite way it was intended, and makes Tom look more terrible than he already is. Man I hate the writers. Like you butchered so much of the story, then fan service some LOTR line in where it makes zero sense just so you can point and drool at the time the-really-popular-character said it in the much, much better 20 year old film. My apologies, rant over.
@@Gagunk. Right? Haha the books are never 100% like the show. There has to be conflicts and resolutions. I don't think many grasp this sure Bombadil is a happy go lucky fellow but what the hell do you think he is when he knows the entire world is in peril and he has to bring up a great wizard?
@@matthewst537 They went East . One version says they failed in their task and started secret magic cults . The Dark wizard in this show does seem to sort of have one so that would fit with one of the blue wizards . Another version says they were instrumental in sowing rebellion against Sauron in the East which meant there were less people willing to fight for him than there would have been otherwise .
@@matthewst537 Well the dark wizard himself said that's just a term invented by people who don't understand the Istari . Frankly we really don't know how the Blue wizards acted after they went East as Tolkien never said much about it .
That's no Tom Bombadil I recognise. Bombadil is literally head, shoulders, arms and legs 'above all this shit'. He made the one ring disappear then gave it back because it made no difference. By god HOW can you screw this up this badly? Are these the same writers that drove a steam roller over star wars by any chance? Is there a dark Cabul of 30 somethings somewhere who think "I can teach that Tolkien fellow a thing or two about compelling writing I can by gum!" It's a train wreak.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This shitshow is the evil bizarro twin of the of Peter Jackson movies. As bad as that other was good with every character inverted (and a whole lot of straight cut and paste).
There are a lot of callbacks that make me roll my eyes, this is one of them. Not all of them were like this, but this is a contender for one of the worst examples. I really hope that the majority of new writers will have some common sense to stop misusing the lines. Seriously. It NEEDS to stop. You can do it in a more appropriate manner like Elendil getting Narsil as at least it makes sense since Elendil is Aragorn’s ancestor. But don’t do it so sloppy like this.
Bombadil looks like a software engineer that got laid off, moved to Twentynine Palms, runs an Airbnb and is now an "influencer"...
✨and loving it✨
Honestly though if Bombadil is a rogue Maia or even Eru, that would track 100% with what he’s doing
Hipsters suck I agree.
So the stranger is 100% Gandalf, he gave the same speech to Frodo in Moria.
No no, thats what they want you to think..hes a blue Wizard
There he was referencing Frodos wish for Gollum to have been killed, while here he is talking about his freaking friends.
they need more red herrings lol idk why. For some reason the writers love the unknown identity storylines. They did it with Sauron all season 1, tbh it's better if we just know the wizard identity, just like if we know Sauron is Sauron, because they can then actually write a storyline about the character. Dancing around a "who is this character?" just is not fun or interesting to watch. It's a waste of screentime. Sauron rules in Season 2 bc he is doing cool Sauron stuff, and is still tricking everyone. Wizard is still the same meh "who is wizard" wizard...
@@shawnstrong25866 creator of this series is a dark wizzard
@@shawnstrong25866 Why is he in grey then ? Obviously he's Gandalf .
I was watching the two towers extended edition and when merry and pippin get trapped in the tree in fangorn and treebeard says the same thing to them as Tom says to get Gandalf out of the tree. Loved it
That line is about showing mercy instead of killing someone, even if they deserve
death, and in the end it’s Bilbo and Frodo and Sam all sparing Gollum’s life at different points that leads to the ring’s destruction.
Here they have Tom use that line to tell Gandalf(?) that he should let people die so he can find a special stick. Just a wild, awful misunderstanding and misuse of the line and the character of Tom Bombadil
Yeah, this is so wrong on so many levels.
Yeah, i dont know why not many people are talking about this part...the line is awfully used. In the lotr gandalf says that to frodo regarding gollum, who ends up fullfilling a major part in the destruction of the ring. So Galdalf showed how wise he is, because if frodo, or bilbo, had killed him the ring probably woldn't be destroyed.
Yeah, he’s not saying leave your friends and let them die. The point Tom is trying to make is sometimes you have to make hard decisions and you’re gonna have to make a hard one here, because the enemy coming after you, and if you turn back now, you won’t have the chance to get back on this journey
@@gradyedwards8106 but thats totally different morality frame than Tolkien world means. This way used would be like Game of thrones world kind of decision. Awful, total mess. Modernity, diversity, morality, goulash.
Agreed. And I don't know why they're going and messing with Bombadil either. Tolkien didn't really reveal much about him because he was content with people making their own intrepretations. It should be left just as that.
Real "Monty Python's Life Of Brian" vibes here...
This is Tom Bombadil in the Second Age. What we read in the Fellowship of the Ring is TB in the late Third Age (more than 3,000 years into the Third Age). In the Second Age apparently, he lived in the desert East and was far more interventionist. Several thousand years later something happened so in the late Third Age we see him in the Old Forest in the West and now withdrawn to a small realm not wanting to meddle with the outside world. What could have happened in the several thousand years between the mid-Second Age and the late-Third Age that made Tom change his life attitude?
If it ain't in the lore I don't need to know
@samg1879 spoken like a religious nut. If it wuddnt in scripture it dudnt exist!
@@ubuu7 that's generally how adaptations work, anything else is fanfic
@samg1879 no it's not. Almost all adaptations made a range of adjustments to... wait for it... ADAPT the material.
Sometimes the choices and changes are for the best, sometimes not, but nothing about that process is intrinsically bad.
If it is to you than stop wasting your time and mine and retreat into a racoon and just read source material and crawl in a ditch and die with it. You are so brittle and sensitive where any alterations are seen as abominations in your warped f*ck mind.
I saw the first season of magicians from lev Grossman years ago, liked it so much I read the books. The show made RADICAL narrative departures and was not just some direct translation, but the changes and choices worked and it was a great show.
If this is all beyond you, wallow in the misery imof your own mind and making. Understand that you deserve that misery and lack of enjoyment for being what you are.
For my part, "I" get to enjoy more things like this in life because I am not saddled with your kind of gloomy brain rot.
@@ubuu7 That's a false equivalence, and this show sucks so none of it matters anyway.
What a dialogue !! Tolkien rolls in his grave just for a chance to see this show.
Ok. Let me explain why the writers should be fired.
In LOTR, Frodo says to Gandalf, "It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance". To which Gandalf says "Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo?"
What he is saying here, is do not be so quick to pass judgment. Frodo over the course of the next few weeks starts to really understand what Gandalf meant, and by the time he meets Smeagol, he is willing to see him for what he is, a victim tormented for hundreds of years.
When the writers rawdog'd this line into ROP, they use it when Gandalf is WANTING TO SAVE HIS FRIENDS. What this quote means in THIS context, is "look pal, some people die, grow up." Keep in mind, he is saying to him "Dog, you need to find your staff, you'll only find it when your focused on one thing." Gandalf says his friends are in mortal peril, and Tommy boi drops that zinger of a line. It works in the complete opposite way it was intended, and makes Tom look more terrible than he already is.
Man I hate the writers. Like you butchered so much of the story, then fan service some LOTR line in where it makes zero sense just so you can point and drool at the time the-really-popular-character said it in the much, much better 20 year old film.
My apologies, rant over.
What the hell was this? That's not Tom Bombadil at all. He's like just another generic wizard or eccentric guy in a blue overcoat..
You're right! He is more Hagrid than Bombadil
They must not of read the books because Tom wouldn't give two craps about a staff o one and death... He's above all that....
Must not "of" read the books? Seems like you don't read at all 😂
@@Gagunk. Right? Haha the books are never 100% like the show. There has to be conflicts and resolutions. I don't think many grasp this sure Bombadil is a happy go lucky fellow but what the hell do you think he is when he knows the entire world is in peril and he has to bring up a great wizard?
Is Saruman really already considered a dark wizard I thought he turns evil
While the dark wizard looks and acts like Saruman he could be one of the Blue wizards too .
@@Shadowman820 yea but they didn’t do anything important besides going on a hike
@@matthewst537 They went East . One version says they failed in their task and started secret magic cults . The Dark wizard in this show does seem to sort of have one so that would fit with one of the blue wizards . Another version says they were instrumental in sowing rebellion against Sauron in the East which meant there were less people willing to fight for him than there would have been otherwise .
@@Shadowman820 I just never remember there being a dark wizard they were all angels for the lotr god then Saruman got corrupted in the third age
@@matthewst537 Well the dark wizard himself said that's just a term invented by people who don't understand the Istari . Frankly we really don't know how the Blue wizards acted after they went East as Tolkien never said much about it .
Is this going to be one of the things that by choosing to save Nori thinking it’s the wrong decision but turns out being the right decision
Yes!
This is not how this happened at all.
It's crazy how much this is just Game of Thrones, lol.
The elves feel like humans.
Bombadil sounds swedish- ish xD
That's no Tom Bombadil I recognise. Bombadil is literally head, shoulders, arms and legs 'above all this shit'. He made the one ring disappear then gave it back because it made no difference. By god HOW can you screw this up this badly? Are these the same writers that drove a steam roller over star wars by any chance? Is there a dark Cabul of 30 somethings somewhere who think "I can teach that Tolkien fellow a thing or two about compelling writing I can by gum!" It's a train wreak.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. This shitshow is the evil bizarro twin of the of Peter Jackson movies. As bad as that other was good with every character inverted (and a whole lot of straight cut and paste).
!!!!
This made me violently ill
How many times per day does the word dei appear in your head?
@@ubuu7 pretty much zero, this is just super lazy writing. This hits like a pillow when in fellowship it was super poignant.
@@connercrutchley751 gandalf has more innate gravitas than tom bombadil who is like a Mxyzptlk character.
This part isn't cannon right? To Tolkiens work
It's not. It's all fan fiction. I wouldn't even call it that because the people writing it aren't even fans.
Up more ,I need more😢😢
There are a lot of callbacks that make me roll my eyes, this is one of them. Not all of them were like this, but this is a contender for one of the worst examples. I really hope that the majority of new writers will have some common sense to stop misusing the lines. Seriously. It NEEDS to stop. You can do it in a more appropriate manner like Elendil getting Narsil as at least it makes sense since Elendil is Aragorn’s ancestor. But don’t do it so sloppy like this.
Thanks I hate it
Not canon anyway.
as much as I dislike ROP, this is almost exactly how I imagined Bombadil would sound like
Tom is El…..just sayin…..
This show looks like a pile of tumbler fan fiction dog muck.
This sucks….
Tom Bombadil is the "one" just incase anyone is wondering. The one above all. 🤫
Tolkien has rejected that idea.
But I wouldn't be surprised if that's the route this show is going with how much they have changed the character.
is the whole series this awful?
And I am instantly reminded to steer clear of the comment section.
@@xoan9426 glad i could help