How about doing a campaign with the "theme" of being a colonial power, having a solid but not huge main empire, but the rest being smaller independant pieces scattered around the map, in the provinces being those of with the most valuable recources. Would be interesting with the DEI mechanics with popuation when launching invasion forces far away from the empire.
This factions start and map placing is so powerful. Like Bactria you are at the end of the map so have a natural protection. And you have a great starting cities.
It is certainly one of the factions with the greatest potential early on. However that lack of pikes is a really big blow to their quality imo. But I'm happy they don't have pikes as it keeps them balanced.
@@basilharpham9372 fair enough, I was thinking more so about factions that were born directly from Alexander’s empire as I don’t believe Epirus was fully absorbed by him
That first axeman unit you showed had 4 missiles, as opposed to a typical melee unit's 1. I think its meant to be a more of a hybrid melee/peltast type unit? I found it useful early in the campaign for that reason.
Your definitely right mate! Some units hve that extra ammo to help them out. I believe the horse jav unit that has the stalk ability also has the same ammo and thus the same purpose
This is from my experience and looking to the spreadsheet data Some of the archer that have shield on their back actually have animation and battle mechanik to allow facing their back shield forward while reloading arrow. So yeah, it block projectile infront of them while reloading.
That'd be pretty badass, I haven't noticed it myself but I also haven't specifically looked for that animation so I'll have to do that in the future. It makes sense so I'm hopeful to see it, thanks for the input mate!
I'm sorry mate but that only applied to esrlier total wars M2TW and prior where the shield was an object and not part of the model. Thats why the testudo is still broken and doesnt work in vanilla because shields are a part of the model and not its own entity so the dividing of the health bars is not possible with the current mechanics. That's why it's all spreadsheets. So if the spreadsheet doesnt say shield then they have no shield.
It’s definitely nice but I don’t think it’s a massive deal. 25 extra men won’t guarantee a easy victory since accuracy isnt guaranteed. But I see your point 👍
Know this is an old video but if you haven’t discovered by now the reasoning for the Thracian units is likely because the Spartacid dynasty was believed to be founded by thracians. Which makes sense considering Spartacus was Thracian, the Cimmerians the most enduring Greek city state and the first dynastic rulers identical name it makes sense.
Thanks mate! I did indeed hear about that after I did the overview, I swear there was even a few comments here indicating the same thing. I don't mind them getting Thracians, I just think it should be somewhat in a limited capacity for game play balance.
@@Immersaholic they’ve got some really good thracian and steppe aor units almost immediately as well. Definitely should be limited as it was still a Hellenistic state but a cool addition!
@@Immersaholic will do. Ive been working all day and only saw a min of this before i got started. Was very intrigued when you said "rosters not as strong as you think". Ill reserve comment till ive watched the rest of your piece
My main issue militaraly is managing pop loss with my pinnning units and setting up battles out of cities as much as possible. My armies abilities to flank and kite and cause routing through morale loss has been quite impressive. Ive found it easy to isolate and cut down all but heavy eastern cav so far. Ive focused my generals/ agents on morale debuffs as well. Almost all my cav are effective in a secondary shock role but requires a bit of management to make sure they engage when theyve done thier ranged work and arnt in melee for too long! As ive moved south and west ive had to adjust tactics as i recruit local units which has been really interesting. If your expanding rapidly you cany sustain your high tier armies indifently! I might describe my campaign so far in another post.
@@AbnormalObs Wow that sounds fantastic man, what a fun campaign! I'd be interested to see if you begin to use more Greek-based armies as you move South.
@@Immersaholic thats the plan! Ive got the all diplomatic options submod on and ive managed to scoop up a couple of major power centers, Athens, Pergamon, Nikomedia through confederation (its op for some culture groups....) so ive not upset any Greek Powers so far. The Ardiaea are a major power and my biggest single concern atm. I've been trying to Ally with them for a long time to help contain Rome. But theyve refused all except non agression. Next major issue is border length but the Rauxsa-alanna are about to turn on me so bout tidy up that oversight. Once ive enaged with one of the Greek or Heavy Infantry factions ill definitely do a campaign write up for the Bosporan Kingdom.
Well this gives me something to look more forward to when my Christmas Holidays begin (especially since TWWH-3 is delayed). Over all a fun looking faction with clear strengths and weakness's. I remember playing this faction way back in vanilla ROME-2 and had a lot of fun with it despite its (let's be honest) lack-luster unit roster (Cimmerian Heavy Archers were awesome though). So far with these faction overviews I'd still have to say my favourite faction would be Armenia, though factions such as this and Massilia also look like a lot of fun. If you're looking to cover barbarians factions perhaps either Averni, Booi, (or Boii), Iceni, or Galatia could be good factions to look at. Unless you've already covered them? Either way great video as always man.
Thanks very much for the suggestions and input mate! I have done the Iceni but most other Celtic factions I haven’t done yet. I will do Colchis next since they got overhauled too and then some more desert based factions. The East has been a bit neglected in this series too 😋
@@Immersaholic Yeah I'd imagine so CA I think just threw Colchis in for the hell of it and made them Hellenic in the base game, last I checked? Which is why it's good thing we have a good number of solid modders to help flush out these factions more.
The empire maintenance late game penalty is easily avoidable! Make sure all characters are married and all that. Then send the wives out and rank them up. Then make sure to research all of the philosophy tree! That and also pick the traits that lower emp maint. when leveling up your generals! Can drastically lower that "tax" in the first 20 odd turns of the game!
A very important factor I've seen when comparing cavalry is speed. A catarphract unit with 5 speed and amazing stats will lose a head to head charge vs a speed 8 or 7 catarphract with lesser stats. Main reason why eastern catarphracts are so powerful they have a speed of 8 or 7 minimum and good starts and armour when other factions have speeds of 6 or 5 for their heavy catas so the eastern catas wreck them on the charge
Yes this is certainly right! That’s also why I place a large emphasis on armor as well because that’s a good indication of the mass of a unit since we don’t have hard stats on such things
@@AbnormalObs The exact stats are hard to calculate and I'm not sure that there is a hard number. But Kam on the DeI team would be the one to talk to about that. However, as a general statement, mass causes units to take more damage and knock over more enemies. High speed is nice but if you want a lethal charge having higher mass is better.
Indeed I thought the Greek writing meant that but then the Thureos stuff almost always have the English part of the name too so this spear unit had me confused lol 😂
Hi mate, thanks again for your excellent faction review. Today I started my first campaign with Bosporus. I have absolutely no plan on a strategy to expand and neither on good army composition.
Thanks very much mate! Bosphorus is in a pretty good position overall, I'd say take some basic territory to your East, maybe even Scythia itself (although that province is massive and difficult), but if you manage to take it all it'll give you a massive amount of line of sight on the area. Then focus on marching west into the more condensed cities on your way towards Greece. As for army comp, you can do a proper Greek army if you have the Greek pop for it or, the better option, is to use a Greek core for your army with lots of Scythian cav, skirmishers and throw away troops like axemen.
I’ve been doing a Colchis Campaign and these guys declared war on me on turn 7. Not going to lie that war sucked for me. But now I have copper and wine
I can see that being a REALLY tough war. BUT.. if you win you get a really nice small province to hold against the Nomads and you get their resources! So high risk but high reward I'd say. I'll be doing a Colchis faction overview next so keep an eye out for that!
they got so powerful now that they have most of Scythia's unit roster i really loved playing royal Scythia but Bosporus having most of there units is alittle of a bummer
I would have been happy with it but all of those Scythian units combined with the Thracians as well is a bit too much. Remove the Thracian units and I'd be happy. The Bosporan Kingdom certainly would have used many Scythians in there armies though so I think it makes sense how it is.
One thing I wonder about this guides. When you prestent missle infantry like archers why do you even bother to focus on melee attack and damage when you rate a unit? The only thing that is important about those units is how much range dagamge they can dish out, how well do they trade vs other ranged and is it capable to survive a cav charge or does it need constant babysitting.
I cover them because I feel they are very important for people to understand. If you have a very low tier jav unit but it has super high weapon damage/AP that's because it probably uses a axe. All of a sudden you have a very low tier unit that can serve as a excellent melee flank unit against heavy infantry. Units in DEI can be used for a bunch of different roles thanks to the long time battles go for so in my opinion its worth covering all aspects of units.
Its definitely a factor for me in how i plan for secondary or emergency deployment. No plan survives first contact ;) With ranged units speed is very important factor for me as well.
Your modded game looks the best of anyone I've seen online. What are your specs and does it run steady in big fights? Been loving these total war mod videos, thanks Edit: just saw the battle video and surprised at the steady frames.
Thanks a lot mate! For standard battles my fps is fine but when there turns into about 6K VS 6k or more is when I notice issues when zoomed in. Although since I get to edit the footage I get to cut out parts like that for your viewing pleasure, so don't be mistaken, I certainly get issues on occasion. I have a GTX 1070 (6gb) graphics card and a very old i5-4690 @3.5Ghz processor. Plus 16gb of ram which helps a little bit as well. Rome 2 is very CPU heavy but since my CPU is so old and bad now I play with the graphics almost entirely as high as possible so I can draw my power from my GPU instead of only my CPU. I also list all graphic mods in the description of my videos, PLUS I also have my own reshade preset that is the main reason my game may look very different to others. That's available for the public on the steam workshop too :)
Some have been yes, plus though you can get grain in certain areas by building supply depots, so its possible the copper is there but a supply depot may have overridden the icon on the map? If that's not the case though then yeah I'd say some resources were moved :)
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The new "choose barbaric or civilized" mechanic has basically killed my drive to actually play any of these factions anymore to be honest... They aren't balanced and dont make any sense in the way that they are currently implemented- building the civilized chain gives you unrest, creates crime and makes people pissed even if its your civilization's hub city, building the barbaric recruitment does the opposite, which I feel like should be switched around or just not exist since crime and unrest is already a huge problem in DEI... Also some of the units locked to either or barracks dont always make sense, like the Rhomphoroi being locked to Civilized when the majority of cultures who encountered such troops most likely would have called them Bar Bar's. (but that then leads into the elite Rhomphoroi who are armoured and equipped in the highest possible gear imaginable for a civilized nation at the time) I feel like there should be tech or at least a building unlock at the very highest tiers that just combines the two barracks or removes any penalty for building them, or just have the negative unrest traits of civilized barracks removed and just have a higher upkeep cost.
Hey man constructive feedback like this is always helpful, nothing wrong with wanting things to be done differently. I personally enjoy the separate barrack system BUT I'm not 100% convinced the debuffs and buffs are fitting, but I also wouldn't be able to say if it is or isn't until I did a fairly long campaign as one of the factions. The main reason I got excited for the changes was that it makes the factions even more unique than what they already were, which is fairly hard to do in the limited nature of Rome 2. I'd suggest you also post your feedback in the DeI discord and see what others think. I appreciate you giving detailed and long feedback mate! :)
How about doing a campaign with the "theme" of being a colonial power, having a solid but not huge main empire, but the rest being smaller independant pieces scattered around the map, in the provinces being those of with the most valuable recources. Would be interesting with the DEI mechanics with popuation when launching invasion forces far away from the empire.
It’s good timing then that we have a Carthage campaign coming up that specialize in just that 🤔🤔🧐
@@Immersaholic I think that idea would make the campaigns very unique and enjoyable.
Except the victory conditions don’t let you play like that unfortunately
what do you think this is, EU4?
@@resmarted😂
This factions start and map placing is so powerful. Like Bactria you are at the end of the map so have a natural protection. And you have a great starting cities.
It is certainly one of the factions with the greatest potential early on. However that lack of pikes is a really big blow to their quality imo. But I'm happy they don't have pikes as it keeps them balanced.
@@Immersaholic I honestly think that they don't need them. Bosporous kingdoms are actually really good at countering pikes
ah the Bosporan kingdom combonation of steppe and greek style of warfare quite the dangerous combo indeed
Kinda like the little brother of Bactria 🤔😆
Bosporus is also the only non ,,Alexander the great‘‘ greek faction which starts with more than one city
Very good point! Perhaps Epirus could also be included?
@@Immersaholic Epirus is also an Alexander faction in the menue 😉
@@Immersaholic Epirus arose as it did due to politics with alexanders successors
@@basilharpham9372 fair enough, I was thinking more so about factions that were born directly from Alexander’s empire as I don’t believe Epirus was fully absorbed by him
@@Immersaholic he didn't need to. It was the realm of his mother's relatives.
That first axeman unit you showed had 4 missiles, as opposed to a typical melee unit's 1. I think its meant to be a more of a hybrid melee/peltast type unit? I found it useful early in the campaign for that reason.
Your definitely right mate! Some units hve that extra ammo to help them out. I believe the horse jav unit that has the stalk ability also has the same ammo and thus the same purpose
This is from my experience and looking to the spreadsheet data
Some of the archer that have shield on their back actually have animation and battle mechanik to allow facing their back shield forward while reloading arrow.
So yeah, it block projectile infront of them while reloading.
That'd be pretty badass, I haven't noticed it myself but I also haven't specifically looked for that animation so I'll have to do that in the future.
It makes sense so I'm hopeful to see it, thanks for the input mate!
I'm sorry mate but that only applied to esrlier total wars M2TW and prior where the shield was an object and not part of the model.
Thats why the testudo is still broken and doesnt work in vanilla because shields are a part of the model and not its own entity so the dividing of the health bars is not possible with the current mechanics.
That's why it's all spreadsheets. So if the spreadsheet doesnt say shield then they have no shield.
You forgot about 200 men in the units of Scythian’s Archer. That’s quite strong in comparison to 175 of Syrian heavy Archers
It’s definitely nice but I don’t think it’s a massive deal. 25 extra men won’t guarantee a easy victory since accuracy isnt guaranteed.
But I see your point 👍
Know this is an old video but if you haven’t discovered by now the reasoning for the Thracian units is likely because the Spartacid dynasty was believed to be founded by thracians. Which makes sense considering Spartacus was Thracian, the Cimmerians the most enduring Greek city state and the first dynastic rulers identical name it makes sense.
Thanks mate! I did indeed hear about that after I did the overview, I swear there was even a few comments here indicating the same thing.
I don't mind them getting Thracians, I just think it should be somewhat in a limited capacity for game play balance.
@@Immersaholic they’ve got some really good thracian and steppe aor units almost immediately as well. Definitely should be limited as it was still a Hellenistic state but a cool addition!
Very interesting faction, I think my next playthrough will be with them!
Nice! Let me know how you go mate.
hell yeah a new vid
Enjoy!
Took you too f@**ing long! Good to have you back.
Lol I’ve still been here uploading fam, but yeah overviews are getting harder to do with less free time
Huzzah thats my current play through. Loving it so far
Nice man enjoy! Let me know how your campaign goes!
@@Immersaholic will do. Ive been working all day and only saw a min of this before i got started. Was very intrigued when you said "rosters not as strong as you think".
Ill reserve comment till ive watched the rest of your piece
My main issue militaraly is managing pop loss with my pinnning units and setting up battles out of cities as much as possible. My armies abilities to flank and kite and cause routing through morale loss has been quite impressive. Ive found it easy to isolate and cut down all but heavy eastern cav so far.
Ive focused my generals/ agents on morale debuffs as well.
Almost all my cav are effective in a secondary shock role but requires a bit of management to make sure they engage when theyve done thier ranged work and arnt in melee for too long!
As ive moved south and west ive had to adjust tactics as i recruit local units which has been really interesting. If your expanding rapidly you cany sustain your high tier armies indifently!
I might describe my campaign so far in another post.
@@AbnormalObs Wow that sounds fantastic man, what a fun campaign! I'd be interested to see if you begin to use more Greek-based armies as you move South.
@@Immersaholic thats the plan! Ive got the all diplomatic options submod on and ive managed to scoop up a couple of major power centers, Athens, Pergamon, Nikomedia through confederation (its op for some culture groups....) so ive not upset any Greek Powers so far.
The Ardiaea are a major power and my biggest single concern atm. I've been trying to Ally with them for a long time to help contain Rome. But theyve refused all except non agression.
Next major issue is border length but the Rauxsa-alanna are about to turn on me so bout tidy up that oversight.
Once ive enaged with one of the Greek or Heavy Infantry factions ill definitely do a campaign write up for the Bosporan Kingdom.
Well this gives me something to look more forward to when my Christmas Holidays begin (especially since TWWH-3 is delayed). Over all a fun looking faction with clear strengths and weakness's. I remember playing this faction way back in vanilla ROME-2 and had a lot of fun with it despite its (let's be honest) lack-luster unit roster (Cimmerian Heavy Archers were awesome though). So far with these faction overviews I'd still have to say my favourite faction would be Armenia, though factions such as this and Massilia also look like a lot of fun.
If you're looking to cover barbarians factions perhaps either Averni, Booi, (or Boii), Iceni, or Galatia could be good factions to look at. Unless you've already covered them? Either way great video as always man.
Thanks very much for the suggestions and input mate! I have done the Iceni but most other Celtic factions I haven’t done yet. I will do Colchis next since they got overhauled too and then some more desert based factions. The East has been a bit neglected in this series too 😋
@@Immersaholic Yeah I'd imagine so CA I think just threw Colchis in for the hell of it and made them Hellenic in the base game, last I checked? Which is why it's good thing we have a good number of solid modders to help flush out these factions more.
Nice work dude.
It would be very cool if at the end of the video you will show different types of rosters like tier 1,2,3 roster with various units.
I plan on doing a dedicated video listing the factions I've covered and their difficulty levels :)
The empire maintenance late game penalty is easily avoidable! Make sure all characters are married and all that. Then send the wives out and rank them up. Then make sure to research all of the philosophy tree! That and also pick the traits that lower emp maint. when leveling up your generals! Can drastically lower that "tax" in the first 20 odd turns of the game!
Great tip mate! Very helpful, cheers!
A very important factor I've seen when comparing cavalry is speed. A catarphract unit with 5 speed and amazing stats will lose a head to head charge vs a speed 8 or 7 catarphract with lesser stats. Main reason why eastern catarphracts are so powerful they have a speed of 8 or 7 minimum and good starts and armour when other factions have speeds of 6 or 5 for their heavy catas so the eastern catas wreck them on the charge
Yes this is certainly right! That’s also why I place a large emphasis on armor as well because that’s a good indication of the mass of a unit since we don’t have hard stats on such things
How does speed and mass factor into charge damge?
@@AbnormalObs The exact stats are hard to calculate and I'm not sure that there is a hard number. But Kam on the DeI team would be the one to talk to about that.
However, as a general statement, mass causes units to take more damage and knock over more enemies.
High speed is nice but if you want a lethal charge having higher mass is better.
"Bosporan Thureophoroi" = Bosporan Thureos Spears
Indeed I thought the Greek writing meant that but then the Thureos stuff almost always have the English part of the name too so this spear unit had me confused lol 😂
Hi mate, thanks again for your excellent faction review. Today I started my first campaign with Bosporus. I have absolutely no plan on a strategy to expand and neither on good army composition.
Thanks very much mate!
Bosphorus is in a pretty good position overall, I'd say take some basic territory to your East, maybe even Scythia itself (although that province is massive and difficult), but if you manage to take it all it'll give you a massive amount of line of sight on the area.
Then focus on marching west into the more condensed cities on your way towards Greece.
As for army comp, you can do a proper Greek army if you have the Greek pop for it or, the better option, is to use a Greek core for your army with lots of Scythian cav, skirmishers and throw away troops like axemen.
I’ve been doing a Colchis Campaign and these guys declared war on me on turn 7. Not going to lie that war sucked for me. But now I have copper and wine
I can see that being a REALLY tough war. BUT.. if you win you get a really nice small province to hold against the Nomads and you get their resources! So high risk but high reward I'd say.
I'll be doing a Colchis faction overview next so keep an eye out for that!
they got so powerful now that they have most of Scythia's unit roster i really loved playing royal Scythia but Bosporus having most of there units is alittle of a bummer
I would have been happy with it but all of those Scythian units combined with the Thracians as well is a bit too much. Remove the Thracian units and I'd be happy. The Bosporan Kingdom certainly would have used many Scythians in there armies though so I think it makes sense how it is.
Could you maybe do Kolkhis next? Are they one who also get new units with Bosporan and Massalia?
Yes I certainly will be :)
@@Immersaholic Cool nice, good luck then :)
One thing I wonder about this guides. When you prestent missle infantry like archers why do you even bother to focus on melee attack and damage when you rate a unit? The only thing that is important about those units is how much range dagamge they can dish out, how well do they trade vs other ranged and is it capable to survive a cav charge or does it need constant babysitting.
I cover them because I feel they are very important for people to understand. If you have a very low tier jav unit but it has super high weapon damage/AP that's because it probably uses a axe. All of a sudden you have a very low tier unit that can serve as a excellent melee flank unit against heavy infantry.
Units in DEI can be used for a bunch of different roles thanks to the long time battles go for so in my opinion its worth covering all aspects of units.
Its definitely a factor for me in how i plan for secondary or emergency deployment. No plan survives first contact ;)
With ranged units speed is very important factor for me as well.
Your modded game looks the best of anyone I've seen online.
What are your specs and does it run steady in big fights?
Been loving these total war mod videos, thanks
Edit: just saw the battle video and surprised at the steady frames.
Thanks a lot mate! For standard battles my fps is fine but when there turns into about 6K VS 6k or more is when I notice issues when zoomed in. Although since I get to edit the footage I get to cut out parts like that for your viewing pleasure, so don't be mistaken, I certainly get issues on occasion.
I have a GTX 1070 (6gb) graphics card and a very old i5-4690 @3.5Ghz processor. Plus 16gb of ram which helps a little bit as well.
Rome 2 is very CPU heavy but since my CPU is so old and bad now I play with the graphics almost entirely as high as possible so I can draw my power from my GPU instead of only my CPU.
I also list all graphic mods in the description of my videos, PLUS I also have my own reshade preset that is the main reason my game may look very different to others. That's available for the public on the steam workshop too :)
Have resources been moved around in the Beta? Tanais for me has Grain not copper
Some have been yes, plus though you can get grain in certain areas by building supply depots, so its possible the copper is there but a supply depot may have overridden the icon on the map?
If that's not the case though then yeah I'd say some resources were moved :)
Ptolemaios next?
Colchis, then Arabs and Egypt :)
Athens when?
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The new "choose barbaric or civilized" mechanic has basically killed my drive to actually play any of these factions anymore to be honest...
They aren't balanced and dont make any sense in the way that they are currently implemented- building the civilized chain gives you unrest, creates crime and makes people pissed even if its your civilization's hub city, building the barbaric recruitment does the opposite, which I feel like should be switched around or just not exist since crime and unrest is already a huge problem in DEI...
Also some of the units locked to either or barracks dont always make sense, like the Rhomphoroi being locked to Civilized when the majority of cultures who encountered such troops most likely would have called them Bar Bar's. (but that then leads into the elite Rhomphoroi who are armoured and equipped in the highest possible gear imaginable for a civilized nation at the time)
I feel like there should be tech or at least a building unlock at the very highest tiers that just combines the two barracks or removes any penalty for building them, or just have the negative unrest traits of civilized barracks removed and just have a higher upkeep cost.
Hey man constructive feedback like this is always helpful, nothing wrong with wanting things to be done differently.
I personally enjoy the separate barrack system BUT I'm not 100% convinced the debuffs and buffs are fitting, but I also wouldn't be able to say if it is or isn't until I did a fairly long campaign as one of the factions.
The main reason I got excited for the changes was that it makes the factions even more unique than what they already were, which is fairly hard to do in the limited nature of Rome 2.
I'd suggest you also post your feedback in the DeI discord and see what others think. I appreciate you giving detailed and long feedback mate! :)