Sparta!! - Faction Overview - Divide Et Impera (1.2.7) - Total War Rome 2
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Not the faction we needed, but the faction we deserved❤️
:D
You'll be pleased to hear I'm editing my Parthian video right this second ;) Probably need to record a bit more but its looking decent for a Friday night release!
@@Immersaholic My body is ready 💋
The chads of the ancient world
Never wanna 1v1 them :D
I think of em during this time period as the washed up Chad that calls themself an alpha even though they well past their prime and intimidate no one.
Spartans were very much unliked and extremely brutal, to put it mildly. I wouldn`t call them "Chads". That title belongs to the Macedonian Greeks, Nubians, Chinese, Ethiopians, Baktrian Greeks settlers, Carthaginians, Mauryan, and Romans. As far as the Classical Era goes. Spartans were Omegas, not Sigma Giga Chads...
“Chads” that lost to gay people lol
@@roninaustin9581 Chads can`t be gay?
One thing you can use the Spartan Youths for is a manpower reserve to follow your main army around, simply disband them when the locality does not have enough Spartan men around.
Just finished my Odrysian campaign and it was surprisingly fun. Very good melee infantry, good skirmisher infantry, solid cavalry, and a not completely useless barbarian navy. Would love to see you cover them eventually. Great video btw
I'll definitely do them soon! They have some of the best shock infantry as well so I really like them. Although I'm not sure if I'd want to do them as a campaign, maybe them or the Ardiae. Thanks for the suggestion!
Loving the content dude! I'd actually like to see your take on Rome as a faction in DEI. They may seem easier than some of the other factions but I found their early game to be surprisingly challenging.
Thanks a lot mate! The current plan is to save Rome for last to be our grand finale. To be honest with you I actually agree that they can be difficult in the early game. I've even lost a campaign as them, although that was with a bunch of submods to make the game more challenging.
Thanks for watching!
For sure. I've had to restart several times bc I get declared on by literally everyone around me. I usually only make it to the polybian reforms before I wither under all the stacks sent to wipe me out. I can win a few fights but I dont recover enough manpower to win them all. Great fun tho still.
Thanks for delivering Immersaholic!!! Great Faction overview as always! My vote goes for Rhodes next
Thanks for watching and the vote! I got a feeling Rhodes will probably be next since Egypt isn't getting too many requests :)
you forgot to mention sparta guest hoplite took 3 turns to train in campaign. They perform like spartan hoplite but trained from periokoi (2nd) social class, which is really helpfull in the beginning of the campaign. Guest hoplite and thracian warrior is the backbone of my campaign.
Amazing work with all these overviews great work don't no how you will do the rome one with all the units they have look forwards to all them to come
Thanks a lot mate :)
Rome is definitely going to be rough! I don't know how I'll tackle them yet. It might just have to be a super long overview compared to these ones D:
Amazing content. I just started my Sparta campaign and took Knossos on turn 6. Your video has given me the idea to now ally with Athens and take on Macedon. Normally I would try to take out Athens next.
Thanks mate! Its a good idea to take on Athens at some point but I'd say wait until you deal with Macedon and take Apollonia before Rome does! Then you can finish Athens off whenever you like which will be easy since your infantry are better!
Oh man I can't wait for the Nabatea overview
I really like them! I'll have to dig into them soon!
Just finished my Pergamon campaign and playing the Arverni now.
Trying to stop playing Greek factions all the time but man is this video making it hard lol.
Looking forward to the Egypt review though.
haha my bad man :D The other factions have a lot to offer but Sparta in particular is always a tempting campaign!
Putting the Nervii on the table here as a barbaric suggestion 😄
Oh juicy suggestion! Especially with the most recent changes O.o I'll have to really play test them thoroughly to see how the new culture changes are.
This. Tried them a few days ago and had no idea where to begin.
@@BenAHowell754 I'll be sure to give as many tips as I can when I do my overview for them!
Bro when u read the spartan thorax melee attack and moaned I could hear your mouth water Lmao
bruh those spartans and their stats are delicious :D
I am so happy to have this videos
I'm glad mate!
The problem is that this is a Sparta 800 years out of time. The Sparta during Rome 2 is poverty stricken, depopulated, and eventually is relegated to a Roman tourist spot
For sure, the DeI team does a fantastic job at displaying this too. Mainly through the massive population issues Sparta has. My campaign as Sparta was a lot of fun for sure because of this extra management I had to handle.
@@Immersaholic I agree, the mood is extremely well done. I was mentioning what Sparta had to overcome. I appreciate the what if scenerio DEI employs as well
I've been waiting for this one especially when they got a update a bit back that gave them more units. Thanks so much! Suggestion down the line the Boii. They have a great unit lineup and they also start in a very interesting place on the map campaign near the germanics.
Edit- awesome video, I'll say I get one or two unit of Spartan youth to chase down people with their insane speed. They can flank very easily as well as the hoplites hold the line. A speed of four or possibly five can come in handy.
Yeah Crete hates you. I've started around 30 Sparta campaigns at least and they declare war at least 75% of the time even if you have a non aggressive pact and defensive alliance.
I was typing mid video that you need to keep Rome off Greece mainland at all cost. I've had good relationship with Rome but let them get a hold and since I had the rest of Greece they broke the non aggressive pact and defensive alliance. It will happen if Rome sees you have even only a small hold on Greece. You don't even need to have pelta for Rome to attack you.
One small thing people don't realize is recruiting a general will take away from your elite population. So if you want two armies early game remember you are losing 300 from Spartans elite.
@@mojorisin069 Fantastic points mate! And thanks for the suggestion for the Boii. Although the Nervii have been suggested which might be better since they have their new duo-cultural change like how Egypt is!
Also I'm still not convinced totally about the Spartan Youths. Their stats aren't necessarily bad. But I feel like a aor/merc unit of light cav could do better at chasing/flanking while you instead dedicate the SY social class to getting another mainline hoplite unit instead. Might depend on the situation though!
any thoughts of doing a Massalia review? interesting greek faction with some celtic and roman influenced units as well as a good navy.
I would love to BUT there has been mention on the DeI discord/forums that Massalia is among the factions that will receive a visual overhaul in the near future. I'll try to wait to see if they get updated but if we get through the rest of the Greek factions and the update hasn't come I'll still do them and then a update video later on down the track.
Sparta is the go-to handicap faction for me. The population problems really highlight the feature for DEI. No full stacks of native Spartans any time soon.
As an actual overall faction though? Man, they suck. Skiritai are weaker Agrianians, Spartan pikes are weaker Antigonid pikes, Antigonid Agema can do right flank slaughter like no other, Hetairoi beat Ionion lancers, and dart throwers will make slow moving hoplites their bitch.
They are definitely one of the harder factions to manage, although I'm not sure I agree on their roster being so bad. One of the big things about the Skiritai is that they have guerilla deployment and the stalk ability, so you can surprise a player or even the ai really easily with them.
As for cav they definitely struggle, but they should struggle. They are only Sparta which never had a substantial cav contingent.
@@Immersaholic The Skiritai are good but the Agrianians do the same thing better
History fact: spartan hoplites did not wear sandals or any shoes in order both to be more resilient and tough as men but they also believed that this way the phalanx was more steady.
Interesting! Thanks mate. I believe in game quite a few of them do not wear any shoes, maybe even all of them? I'm not sure.
I said I went to the year 300, not much has changed except as we are Spartans
In the campaigns that I’ve played I found that playing Sparta. You should be very neutral in the beginning focus on allies and trading partners and don’t get involved in fights unless you absolutely have to until your economy is on point.
even syracuse doesnt want to be in that situation lol
Love this one. I'm a few hours into my Spartan campaign, took Crete and Athens as fast as I could but man Macedon was still a very tough fight even early on. Had to fight two full stacks as well as the garrisons in Larissa and Pella. Their pikes really ground through my Spartan hoplites just like you said. Still trying to figure out best army builds versus pike front lines
Those pikes can be proper rough mate! To beat pikes you basically don't fight them :P Keep your hoplites in front of them but keep pulling them back slowly. While your doing that you smash them with peltasts or any kind of skirmisher. That's really the only way for Sparta to beat them without using their own pikes.
Cretan archers
I've figured out the perfect strategy for sparta. Fortified stance. Try to make every fight a mini siege. Use the camp openings to hold them in a big blob and use your Cretan archers and javelin men to fire in the middle. Meanwhile, use your cav to sneak out the backdoor and rear charge the blob until they rout. I've used this tactic against rome and broke wave after wave and took little casualties.
43:00 these guy carry my ass in early game lol XD
They can be pretty useful but I usually don't like using the Helots to be honest. Not bad units I just don't like them personally XD
@@Immersaholic you should have see my game lol helots everywhere
exelent job my friend!!
Thanks mate!
My Spartan Campaign in case you missed it!: ua-cam.com/video/M4xhi-Ljf-M/v-deo.html&
Working on my Parthian ep for this week, may not be out until Friday night or Saturday morning but there should still be one for this week :)
Time stamps down below!
Part 1 - Campaign Overview: 4:57
Part 2 - Military Overview: 23:49
Part 3 - Verdict: 1:03:58
Can you do Athens next? They are my favorite faction.
I heard Athens is getting a rework of their roster visually so I'm going to try and wait until that happens. If it doesn't happen within a month or two then I will :)
@@Immersaholic Thanks!
Hey man just found your channel yesterday and I am enjoying the content, I'm thinking of getting back into ROME2 again (it's been ages) and I was thinking about playing DeI. And these guides are very helpful. Also in terms of factions what would be your opinion on Massilia and the Bosporon Kingdom factions? I heard you say Massilia is a good faction but I am curious about Bosporon, maybe because I like the idea of a Greeko-Steppe faction which I really do feel CA missed a good opportunity there along with Massila (Greeko-Gallic would have been awesome as well). And as for barbarian suggestions well I'd say either the other steppe tribes (unless they're identical to Scythia) or possibly the Gallic tribes like the Averni or Boii. Either way keep up the good content.
Thanks a lot mate! Massalia is great because they have some cool units and a romanized legion unit with a bunch of aor units close by. Bosporan is the same but also are in a tough position since their immediate enemies have a great counter to hoplites, cav-heavy armies. So they are both a lot of fun and very unique!
@@Immersaholic That's good to hear man, as I said before I feel CA missed a golden opportunity with both of these factions and others. But thanks to the modding community we get to have a lot more fun with them now, in either case I'll be sure to try them both out and see how it goes. I'll also be sure to keep an eye out for when you cover them both in further detail in their own Faction Overview videos... or campaigns.
Rhodes is a very fun campaign because you can be kinda of a spectator lol
The way I used to do is to attack knossos ASAP and then proclaim myself as the protector of the greeks, trying to save massalia and pontus at first and then help pergamon get control of galatia and finally kick off the romans from Greece
The navy is very fun to use bc u can snipe whole armies (looking at u rome) and can get very far very fast
But for a more traditional gameplay it's good to team up with seleucids/ptolemaoi and get some territories. A fun fact is that Arche Bosphorus, at least in all my campaigns, are very kind to join confederation. Just make sure u declare war on kolchis when u see them
Nice tip about Arche Bosphorus! I haven't interacted with them too much in my campaigns. I look forward to checking out the Navy for Rhodes as most factions are really poor in their navies unless they are a mainstream faction.
@@Immersaholic I think the fact that Arche Bosphorus is going at war with the nomads and kolchis at the same time helps a lot
Spartan Pikes are hilariously broken
Ah yes the true spearman faction
I cannot stress enough how important it is to lower your tax rate to boost early game growth - the money is less valuable than the replenishment of your 1st and 3nd tier population - if you take Athens on turn 2 and Larissa by turn 10 you should be able to slowly grow your population in Greece to about 5k between the two - this will make your invasion of Macedon and Thrace possible - stay neutral as long as possible and don't be afraid to attack pella as soon as their army heads north or east - it may be your only opportunity
Just downloaded this game and I'm am so so excited to get into it.
Struggling on the prologue atm but the game is just so so epic!!!
BRAVE ROMANS TO A MAN!!!!!
Haha, the voice acting is outstanding 👌
That's always a fantastic time in this game, when your new and experiencing it all! :)
Enjoy mate, feel free to reach out for questions or anything you need.
Nothing beats the original rome general speeches and what not
Spartan youths should really operate as like an expedited spartan hoplite, not fully grown but it could be upgraded to full on spartan hoplites after 5 or so in game years after recruitment. That would probably be impossible for rome 2 but imagine…
Those random colorfull uniforms? Is that Mod or? I just bought this game on steam, says spartan edition. I would like to know ifi need some mod for that?
This overview video specifically overviews Sparta in the Divide Et Impera mod for Rome 2. Its a massive overhaul that completely changes the game, among its many changes is the details and uniforms of units.
All of the mods used here are in the description with Divide Et Impera being at the top. If you only just got the game I'd suggest playing regular Rome2 for a few campaigns and then search for Divide et Impera on steam :)
@@Immersaholic i downloaded divide et impera right after the game. I played rome I for a probably 10 years when i was stil younger, and i watched some yt videos about DEI. So the uniforms are part of Divide et impera? I started with Rome, but they dont look even close that awesome as spartans.
@@babaroga_de Yes the uniforms are a part of DeI. Rome starts off with some pretty poor Spear troops but as the campaign goes on you receive reforms to make them look like badass Legionnaires. The Spartans on the other hand just have different units available at the beginning with their great hoplites. If you want to check out the uniforms of factions you could just do a custom battle, choose what units you want to check out and then give the Ai army just 1 unit so they stay away from you while.
@@Immersaholic thanks for the answer 😁
if you turn off your taxes in a region is doubles ur pop gain for elites. once u start taking few provinces. just turn taxes off on sparta
Nice tip mate!
Hey man, been avoiding Rome 2 for so long until I saw this mod. So do you need all of the DLCs or just the base game in order to play this mod?
Just the base game :) Although if you don't have the DLCs then some factions won't be available to you.
@@Immersaholic Then I'll just wait for a steam sale then get DLC factions that I'll use. Really interested with the Spartan faction
@@saberpendragon271 Sparta can be difficult because of population issues. You'll have to rely on their slave population and mercs to help fill your ranks. Historically the Spartan population declined massively at this time so it is reflected in the mod.
@@Immersaholic I've always liked harder campaigns. But this will be a first cause of the population system. And that economy penalty won't help at all
@@saberpendragon271 Indeed it can be difficult, if you like you can always check out my Spartan playthrough for some tips.
How many hours do you have in this game? I think I have too many I’m close to 800 haha.
For Rome 2 I'm at 758 hours right now. The other historical total wars I'm around the 300-400 mark too :D
The highest hours I have for anything though is DayZ at over 4000 hours O.o
@@Immersaholic WOW 4,000 man. Must be a good game then. Wouldn’t mind seeing you play it but I know your a Rome 2 channel. Good vids as always.
@@kylewolf9238 Thanks man, I have a old youtube channel where I used to upload content there but I got over it to be honest. Still play a bit but doubt I'll ever do content for it again. Total war and other games I'm planning for this channel are a massive amount of fun for me and they let me express things I love a lot more.
What the hell? How do you get to play with Sparta or Athens?
I can't pick it in Custom Battles or Grand Campaign. And yes, I have the All Factions sub mod
And what is the point of having a +1 experience as faction bonus? That is just to show of, cuz it actually decreases the amount of experience ranks the unit can achieve, no?
Do you have the mod being talked about here? DEI? Honestly I haven't played rome 2 vanilla in so long I don't remember if Sparta or Athens were playable.
Edit- just saw they are in the vanilla game. But I believe you need the dlc for it. They cannot legally add factions if there is dlc made of them. They had to remove a faction for a bit since it was added as a dlc
Also one rank means that it is one less you need to get. And ranks make a big difference especially with Sparta already having such high moral it just makes it even better.
@@mojorisin069 Holden is spot on, you need the Greek City State DLC to play as them. Plus, the extra experience gives them better stats overall that they would otherwise have to earn through battles or training. The first rank of experience helps massively!
@@mojorisin069 Yes. I do. In fact, before starting my current Parthia campaign, I uninstalled everything and reinstalled to make sure I had the most up to date version. Even so, I couldn't pick these two factions before and can't do it now.
There are others I can't pick, like Saka Rauka, but Sparta should be available.
@@Immersaholic Well, I get that ranks improve the stats of the troops. But the way I see it, starting off with a rank just means one fewer rank later on to improve, instead of having better stats right off the bat.
Let's push this theory to the extreme. Suppose the faction bonus provided 9 extra ranks to Spartan troops. Sure, you start with troops with better stats than every other faction. But at some point, everyone else will have the same stats. The way I see it, it just means you are not getting those ranks along the way.
Considering Spartans train from a very young age and the soldiers provide their own equipment, I'd like to see something like being able to field a full stack of Spartan Hoplites in a single turn, provided you have the population to do so.
Hey im wondering why i cant find the neohomoioi hoplites even if i aready reach the reform and can recruit the other neo pike spartan..
Next faction Atropatkan or Saba pls
Thank you for the suggestion! I really love the Saba so I might do them next. Our next Greek faction should be Rhodes or Egypt though.
Loved this video. How do the Athenians match up to the Spartans (aside from in elite hoplites)?
I believe they have a larger roster with more variation. However, they don't have pikes and their going to be way better with navies. But generally speaking their cavalry will beat Sparta's so that's how Athens would beat them.
Sparta... I was wondering when you will do them so thanks a lot for this video. What I like sparta is how racist or seclusive they are. Like seriously, you could recruit veteran hoplotes with the xenoi population and even the noble army in the east IS also using xenoi. It’s ridiculously funny and overpowered if u know what ur using or when u have a running economy (usually with your slaves since you have the helot repression).
Even in my campaigns, i never use the homoloi population. Their helot pikes is good enuf for walls, and fill ur army with foreigners. Cause I like to imagine that the new policies is that the only spartan that can fight are the general bodyguard which ur strongest citizens and consist of ur ever so scarce noble class.
It is pretty incredible what they consider to be foreigners lol :D
In my campaign I uploaded I liked to mix things up with some foreign dependent armies and then some more Spartan-only armies. Fantastic faction to play with for sure!
Ye, the best part is that the dei team also manahe to follow historically with what you said in the video. Compared ro vanilla where we can spam the spartan hoplite and get the ridiculous auto resolve. But yea, DEI Sparta is definitely one of the most challenging and fun faction out there.
@@edricklim3765 Couldn't agree more! The modding team did fantastic with it, I love how immersive it is!
Could you do a macedon review next?
I've already done one mate ;)
ua-cam.com/video/oqGM0ranMzo/v-deo.html&t Enjoy!
@@Immersaholic Thanks
@@Immersaholic Any tips on how to use pikes?
@@mikeseabrooks7978 Protect their flanks from cav and don't let them take fire from skirmishers of any kind. They will win against almost any melee unit as long as they are in a frontal engagement. Pretty simple to use. Oh and make sure you give them attack orders to make them push forward when they are fighting!
I cannot start as Sparta in DEI why?
You need the Greek city state DLC I believe mate.
hey i saw u have had 300 people in your Commander Unit, i have only 105 people in my Commander Unit, can u tell me what i did wrong? Also in the other Units u got 200 and i only have 70 or so. thx for the help
Go into your settings in graphics and set “unit size” to “ultra” mate
@@Immersaholic much thanks❤
How do I play as Sparta I have the dei mod but can’t play as any Greek states
You have to buy the Greek Factions DLC on steam mate.
auto resolve with low class units are great
I recall that it was possible to cheese your way through a campaign with whole stacks of levy low class units but hopefully that's been fixed.
I'm sure it can be useful if your into that though, everyone plays differently.
Thanks for the tip!
@@Immersaholic The problem with DEI is that combat is very slow and most kills are done by chasing or flanking, so a bigger army of levy can destroy a smaller army of elite noble very easily, devastate your high end population and you cannot recover within 30 turns
@@fanyechao2761 It can indeed by hard to recover! Although I think its a good thing, it makes army compositions more realistic. No army was ever made out of purely elite warriors. There was various compositions depending on a massive amount of factors.
@@Immersaholic Yes but elite warriors were necessary in historic armies, in DEI they are not
I cant play as any of the greek nations? do you think II need to have any dlc?
Hello mate! Yes for the Greek factions you need need the Greek City State DLC.
You kept repeating to watch out for flanking archers or peltasts. Never have I been flanked by them, its always cavalry
Depends on who you play against mate. The ai will usually just flank with cav but players know to outflank with peltasts. Also depends on what factions you take on with Sparta.
@@Immersaholic never played an online battle I enjoy the campaign very much.
would have thought that the tech tree is checked out in this video. are the trees not that different between factions?
They differ based on cultural group but the overall pattern is basically the same. There are minor changes such as the boosts your factions get and buildings unlocked (Since barbarians can't do much industry or commerce buildings, I forget which one).
I wanted to do a tech guide to cover the differences at some point, would you like to see that perhaps?
@@Immersaholic I'd like to see that, yeah!
@@moipoi1 Thanks for the feedback fam!
Do u have a mod which unlocks sparta, athens, etc in dei?
No I do not, you unlock Sparta with the Greek City State DLC
How can I unlock this second tier of spartan hoplite, I still can’t get them in the campaign
You have to get to each certain level of reforms, the Spartans share the overall Greek reforms where you have to wait until a certain turn number to achieve them.
From the DeI website: Thureos - Imperium level 3, minimum turns 50
Thorax - Imperium level 5, minimum turns 120
@@Immersaholic okay thank you so much 😊
plz do atropatakan! it's my favorite faction
Thanks for the suggestion mate! I will definitely do them in the near future. Although our next one will be Rhodes since so many people have already requested it :)
is sparta playable in custom battles?
Yes mate :) You just have to make sure you have the Greek City State DLC