Cobb Flex Fuel Deep Dive with Lance and Billy from Cobb Tuning
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Cobb Tuning has just released their NexGen Flex Fuel for the 2015 - 2021 WRX, which comes after the release of their first NexGen Flex Fuel kit for the Sti.
We were definitely glad to see Flex Fuel come back as a function of the Cobb Accessport, but when we saw that the new system was running through the CAN Bus on these new cars, it was clear that there was a lot more that Cobb had to rework to make Flex Fuel available again.
We were able to sit down with Lance and Billy from Cobb Tuning to go over everything that was involved in getting Flex Fuel back on line, and the processes that they go through when developing a product like this.
We also talk about the benefits of running E85 and Flex Fuel as well as touch on some of their future plans for this system as well.
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!
Here is a link to Cobb Flex Fuel on our site if you would like to see more:
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In This Episode:
00:00 - Intro
00:30 - Who are Lance and Billy, and what do they do with Cobb Tuning?
02:05 - Flex Fuel for the FA20DIT WRX
02:50 - When you install an AccessPort, what does it actually do?
06:57 - What is Flex Fuel and why would you want to run E85 as a Fuel?
11:20 - Why would you want to run Flex Fuel in a car that didn't come with it from the factory?
16:00 - How did the April 2022 Update effect Flex Fuel?
20:00 - What is a CAN Bus and why was CAN the answer?
23:03 - Will future Flex Fuel Kits require the car to have a CAN Bus?
24:13 - What is the CAN Gateway in the FA20DIT WRX Flex Fuel Kit?
27:25 - Is Cobb going to bring back Flex Fuel for older cars? And how quickly?
30:05 - How big of a challenge has Flex Fuel been on the FA24DTI engine in the 2022+ WRX?
31:14 - Why does it take so long to develop something like a Flex Fuel kit?
37:28 - How much testing does Cobb Tuning have todo with a Flex Fuel kit?
38:17 - What is involved in Emissions Testing for a new product?
44:33 - Why does getting a CARB E.O. matter for an aftermarket part?
52:37 - Will Flex Fuel have a CARB E.O. in the future?
57:14 - What happens to emissions as you add more ethanol to the fuel?
1:01:14 - Could running E85 be a way to allow for more modifications to vehicles?
1:05:15 - Are there other possibilities that are opened up by using the CAN Bus?
1:08:50 - Wrapping up
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Bring back flex for 04+ STI’s. I’ll buy it. Kudos for getting Cobb on the channel Jon.
Trust me when I say this - We would LOVE to. The main hurdle is cost. Finding a well documented, low mileage car that would be fit for emissions testing is near impossible as they are all upwards of 20 years old at this point. I can't (and won't) say it will never happen, but the business case becomes increasingly more difficult the older the cars get. - Marshall@COBB
@@cobbtuning my 2007 STi is around 80k miles, clean, and only lightly modified. What kind of documentation is needed? Does it have to be on the original engine, or is a replacement fine?
Thanks for watching!
Lance tuned my Sti many moons ago. He wasn't perfect but that tune allowed me to beat on that car with elevated power levels for years without worry. When i finally pulled the engine at 90k the engine itself was still in great shape. Just started getting oil leaks. I am very grateful. He certainly knows what he is doing and we should absolutely listen to him.
Thanks very much for watching and the great comment.
Stay Tuned!
What I dont understand, is why they don't market the old flex fuel kits as for "Off road use ONLY". Then push out reminders to the customers that the mod is not EPA street legal, so it should be used at their own risk. I dont know how much legal pressure Cobb was dealing with from the EPA, but the government should not have the right to tell a aftermarket perfomance car part company what they can and cannot sell.
THEYVE EXPLAINED THIS IN PODCASTS OVER AT IAG.. THE STUFF THAT IS LABELED "FOR OFF ROAD USE" IS A HUGE RED FLAG FOR THE EPA AND THEY STATED THAT THE "OFF ROAD USE ONLY " HAS ZERO LEGAL PROTECTION IN TODAYS EPA ENVIROMENT AND SIMPLY WOULD EQUATE TO HUGE FINES FROM THE CORRUPT GOVERNING BODY.
Your answer is at 45:15
Couple of handsome gents
Personally I understood the pulling off of the band aid, but the way they went about it was like spraying it with alcohol.
I understand the why they hand to do it; with the whole EPA thing and all but what I find reprehensible is that they knew well before selling the flex fuel kits on the GDs that they were going to do what they did. They sold the kits anyways, and then they said, "sorry, all sales are final" No refunds.
That is not an EPA thing, that is a responsibility that a well-established company that the community loves and trusts has a mandate to abide to and that is why I cannot support this company. If you are a consumer, willing to spend hundreds of dollars (which in this economy is crazy expensive) and know that you do not have a guarantee that you will neither get your product or unbeknownst to you it will become obsolete with no way of getting your money back you would think twice about supporting such a company. No company should be allowed to get away with that; not airlines, hotels, or simple aftermarket third party goods.
Make a statement with who you patronize with your business and I, for one, will not be supporting COBB in any way.
Funny because I got a full refund on my flex fuel kit for my GD.
@@fredastaire6156 we offered full refunds on both new in box and even used Flex Fuel kits for over a year.
@@fredastaire6156 flex fuel kits hadn't been "In stock" for upwards of ~2 months (depending on the kit) before we stopped sale. We then proceeded to offer buy-backs on new-in-box kits and even refunded used kits for well over a year. - Marshall@COBB
GD drivers lookin' like 👀👀👀
followed by: ☹😭 (GD Forester here)
Awesome video!!! I am learning lots. A related question of ethanol fuel system and the COBB hardware and software; can your gear and software be set up to regulate when an ethanol+water injection system is set to off, on, and then turns off again? I have heard from a few sources that driving very short distances, say between 0 to 10 minutes, with either E30-85 or ethanol+water active from a cold start can cause a black gel like sludge of deposits to build up in the engine and cause major problems. So to clarify, can the COBB hardware and software be set up to engage the use of ethanol+water (in the intake manifold or charge cooler) after a few minutes of initial driving after cold start, when the engine has had a chance to warm up, and then alternatively be manually selected to turn off whenever the driver wants to? Can an existing engine temperature sensor on the car (or added sensor) be used to trigger the start of ethanol+water use when the ECU knows that the temperature is in the correct window for optimal use?
They aren't talking about supplemental fuel injection in this video. They're talking about filling your tank with E85 at the pump instead of gasoline and having that go through the regular fuel system.
@MR__JUSTIN thank you. I understand their presentation and what you wrote. I am asking about alternative uses of their Cobb gear for a different application using water-ethanol. I will contact them directly, no worries.
We will never forget what you did to your customer base when yall folded to the EPA. Never will I buy another Cobb product
WHAT DID THEY DO TO THEIR CUSTOMERS ?? YOU EXTREMELY JADED..WHAT GIVES ?
You’re dense
It’s like what Jon said…. Cobb HAD TO rip off the bandaid and make necessary changes to the business model. Now that it’s been a couple years since the redirect, I drive much more at peace knowing my tunes/setup are compliant… especially here in CA
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Do they say if CARB approval is coming soon?
Thanks for your question. Yes, we specifically talk about this here:
ua-cam.com/video/Qtl3EtfIGZU/v-deo.htmlsi=6DCk1a2KXv-FhIrT&t=3158
Stay Tuned!
so the answer is yes, but actually no
lmfao
carb is such a racket
@@FlatironsTuning I got to that part of the podcast just as I saw your comment haha. Thanks! I hope they get approval soon. As soon as they do, I'm buying.
My 2005 LGT disliked that.
Just go open source like the rest of us normal people. Forget Cobb
MerpMod and similar mods available to utilize most of the advanced functionalities we all know and love with Accessports.
You can build a better setup for a fraction of this cost. It's nice having plug and play stuff though. Not at all worth the money😢
In Cobb we trust! 🩵✨ pls L & S 🫡
Thanks for watching and Stay Tuned!